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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2019, 12:06:45 PM »


Another one you might be able to track down is this one from pets At Home:


http://www.petsathome.com/shop/en/pets/simple-solution-stain-and-odour-remover-for-cats-4-litre-%28online-only%29

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     I know I'll always have peeing ishoos (the cats not me .... my time will doubtless come  :evillaugh: )     

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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Judecat (Paula) on January 21, 2019, 09:27:42 AM »
I lied, it's a enzymatic spray :-[, the enzymes do the neutralising, the Tesco one is  just called pet odour spray, it works really well and is much cheaper than the one from the vet

Sorry, it was reading Sue's post that Rosella found made me remember correctly. I do apologise.
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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Rosella moggy on January 21, 2019, 09:26:53 AM »

The only RX66 I can find online is in the US now but I knew I had tracked some down in UK a few months ago  :-:  I have read label on the back of the container I got last time and it's now called Command 66.  The website for the company I use no longer sells it as they appear to be into commercial cleaning services and pest control but I will ring them next time I need more (01787 248049).  Last time I rang the lady said she would ask Fred (or someone) to grab some of it next time they went to the warehouse and voila it arrived a few days later  :) 

It is so very important to try and get rid of the smell and bear in mind that a cat's sense of smell is hugely superior to ours.

I know I'll always have peeing ishoos (the cats not me .... my time will doubtless come  :evillaugh: ) as I have 7 of the blighters and there always seems to be a trubblemaker so marking is a bit of a problem and one cat in particular has cystitis on and off altho fingers crossed not for a while now.

Best of luck Chloe  :hug:
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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2019, 07:14:14 AM »


Ah - I see Rosella has given some excellent advice and we'd  cross posted.  :evillaugh: That's the name of the fluid, Rosella.  Brilliant stuff. 

I'd agree too that it's never a good thing to shut at or berate a cat who is soiling inappropriately (though appreciate the frustration can be immense). 

It doesn't act in the way people expect.  All it does is make the cat afraid of you, and propounds the issue.  You don't sound like a shouter though.   :shy:


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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2019, 07:10:52 AM »


Catloverchloe, what you need to track down is what they call an enzymatic cleaner.  It has microbes in the fluid which eats and digests the bacteria, and neutralises their action and their scent, so making it totally odourless again.  There was a good one we used to use, but I can't recall what it was, as sadly they seem to have stopped selling it.  Still, you should be able to get one from the likes of Zooplus and Pets At Home.

It's great that you've been able to rule out any health issues, but what remains is that something major is challenging and upsetting your little girl and making her feel insecure, to the point where she feels prompted to mark everything as hers.  That's where the hard part comes in, trying to figure out what it is.

You could start with the litter tray.  Has she ever used it, or has this behaviour only begun recently?  If she has used the tray before, can you recall when she stopped using it, and whether there may have been a trigger?

Triggers can be things from changing the type of litter you use, or introducing a child or another cat, or a neighbour's cat patrolling the territory outside your home, especially if that cat isn't neutered.  It can be moving furniture around, decorating etc.  It's particularly telling that she peed on your dirty linen.  When your clothes are ready for washing, they will smell most strongly of you - "her people."  Marking them is her way of "re-claiming" them - and by extension - you from something she perceives as a threat to her relationship with you and your family.

We have 3 cats, two of which are semi feral.  They've settled a lot at 3 years of age, but as kittens, they were very traumatised and had very little trust.  Our problems began when that trust began to form.  Because they had begun to trust us, they didn't weant that taken away by any other cats (ie our large and in charge boy cat, Moray)

Barley in particular then began peeing on things - a chair in our bedroom was a favourite.  Like you, we tried cleaning it, to no avail.

What helped in our case, was using the premise that cats will not defecate or urinate where they eat, if they have a choice. 

We began putting small dishes of food on the affected areas - our spare bed, our chair, etc.  It only took two or three days, but then they realised they preferred being able to eat little treats from the dishes, than peeing on the affected areas.  We also put a couple of extra litter trays down in the most favoured ground level spots, with puppy pads underneath.  It took about a week before the peeing stopped altogether, but that might vary according to what is the trigger.

Consider the trays that you use for her litter too.  Are they easily accessible?  Are they big enough and deep enough for her?  We have a huge tray in the kitchen, which our smallest gurlcat prefers.  However, even though she's a small cat, she always manages to position herself in the tray so that her little bottom hangs over the edge and most of the wee goes on the puppy pads.   :innocent:  It doesn't bother us, because the floor is tiled and easily cleaned, and she does try very hard.  I think we'd need to have a very deep box type affair or a covered tray to prevent that, though I have my doubts she would use a covered tray.

That said, some cats prefer a covered tray.  Others don't.  Some cats don't like it if their tray is somewhere they think they could be "ambushed." - for example if it can be seen by external cats.  When cats leave poo uncovered, it's to send a signal and a scent marker to other cats:  "This is mine - keep away - you're not welcome!".  Doesn't matter where those cats are indoor or outdoor.  They still use the same senses that would help keep them "safe" in the wild. 

If she doesn't like the litter for some reason, she may not want to use the tray, but will use the area near the tray because she knows what the area is for. 

Where does your little girl like to hang out during the day?  Is she indoor only, or indoor/outdoor?  if the latter, what sort of flap do you have?  Does she prefer to hide under things, or be up high?  How does she walk, when she walks across the room - is her tail low, or is it high, and in the air?  These things are all indicators of her mood and her reactions tot he world around her.  A confident cat will carry her tail high, maybe with the tip crooked.  A cat who isn't confident will often carry their tail low and their ears back rather than pricked forward.   Does she like to play?  If so, where does she prefer to play?  Does she instigate play, or do you?  These things too will help give us clues to what might be going on. 

You're going to have some detective work to do to get to the root cause of this behaviour, and observation will become your best friend in that regard..

In the meantime, you could try plug ins, such as Pet Remedy or Feliway, and zylkene sprinkled on her food.  It's a non-harmful food supplement which can be very effective in treating anxiety in cats.  You can get it from your vet, or again from outlets such as Pets At Home or Zooplus online.  You won't need a prescription.  Alternatively, Royal Canin Calm dry food comprises the same proteins in it which are contained in Zylkene.  However, I wouldn't recommend feeding a totally dry diet to any cat, so you'd need to make sure she got wet food, as well. 


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Health & Behaviour General / Re: She keeps peeing on my sofa!!!!!
« Last post by Rosella moggy on January 21, 2019, 06:49:35 AM »

Hopefully you are ensuring whatever you wash with Zoflora is completely dry before your kitten allowed access.

https://www.zoflora.co.uk/pet-hub/pet-safety-faqs

I haven't come across using anti bacterial spray but assume same thing would apply about ensuring area dry.

So sorry you're having this trouble.  Once a cat has used an area it is so difficult to stop.  Is she stressed for some reason?  Hopefully you don't scold her as that would of course make things worse.

There's a thread that gives ideas on inappropriate soiling.  I'll see if I can dig it out. 

https://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=26577.0

I use a product called RX66 which helps get rid of smell.  I'll see if I can find that too.
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Health & Behaviour General / Re: Kitten trying to feed from other kitten
« Last post by Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2019, 06:47:23 AM »



Brilliant, Rosella - thanks for posting  ;D :evillaugh:

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Health & Behaviour General / Re: Kitten trying to feed from other kitten
« Last post by Rosella moggy on January 21, 2019, 06:25:33 AM »

Both Jessie and Cleo are absolute stunners  :Luv2: :Luv2:

Glad your little ginger gal has a teddy to hug and also a playmate.  It's so good that they get on so well.

I've dug out a video of our Groucho with his Shaun the Sheep.  I'm afraid he killed the first one so we had to replace.  Rough little lad was/is our Grouch  :-[  Am quite sure Jessie shows her teddy more respect  :innocent:

https://youtu.be/RtPBjjkAGPI

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Health & Behaviour General / Re: Kitten trying to feed from other kitten
« Last post by Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2019, 05:40:02 AM »


Ah Yes!  I've seen the photo of them both initially but not the top one of Jessie on her own.  She's really Bonny.   :Luv:

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Health & Behaviour General / Re: Kitten trying to feed from other kitten
« Last post by Judecat (Paula) on January 20, 2019, 22:55:40 PM »
They are both real cuties. :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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