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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #117 on: November 21, 2019, 12:08:26 PM »
I'm glad that she is eating again Dawn, hoping it goes well later. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2019, 08:46:59 AM »


Sending tons of good wishes for today, Dawn.   :hug:



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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #115 on: November 21, 2019, 08:13:02 AM »
unfortunately they cancelled us, we go tonight, the good news is she is eating the royal canin pouches but only in the tuna flavour but it is a start, she seems brighter I think, hopefully she has put on a tiny bit of weight

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2019, 20:02:29 PM »


How did you get on, Dawn

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2019, 12:23:27 PM »
Everything crossed that the check up goes well today Dawn, and Tilly. :Luv: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #112 on: November 19, 2019, 13:01:44 PM »
Yes, it does make it harder, mine has 3 branches and they rotate due to the shift patterns/holidays, but we have fairly set days at the branch I use, which is why Lucy generally only goes on a Tue or Thu, as we now only have one vet who can do acupuncture (there were two when we started!). Glad she is home, not surprising she doesn’t seem herself, but at least she is eating (even if not the right thing!) and has used the tray. That is a good reduction, good luck for the check up tomorrow.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #111 on: November 19, 2019, 09:54:40 AM »
Thanks for the update Dawn. I am glad that your girl is home and hope she continues to improve  :hug:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #110 on: November 19, 2019, 08:48:15 AM »
well she is home, she has taken up residence on the kitchen table near a radiator, she has eaten half a pouch last night and half this morning (but not renal food which I am supposed to be giving but she won't eat ) and I saw her use the tray - she is moving at speed I'll give her that but doesn't seem herself, oh thinks her legs are hurting where the drip was - her numbers are in the 200 now, she is back at the vet tomorrow night

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2019, 15:43:34 PM »
the trouble with our vets is that there are three branches and the staff work all over the place, its really hard to see the same person twice - I would have thought reading her notes would be normal though, I may say something tonight once I have her back!  yes oh is keen she go back more regularly as well

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2019, 15:35:52 PM »
3 months is standard, but after a spike I wouldn't want to go longer than a month. Odd they would try and prescribe the meds she's already on!
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2019, 15:26:39 PM »
that is the worrying thing, they are saying three months, the vet also suggested she go on medication - one they have been prescribing for over a year

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2019, 15:23:27 PM »
Ah, dental and infection could have been enough to tip her kidneys over, if so, this could just be a blip and not a sign she is getting worse. Assume the vet will suggest a check up when you collect her but if not, I'd take her back in either a fortnight or a month for a repeat test
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2019, 14:25:47 PM »
I do have a list of other things, apparently the pospherous was bad but also considerably down - I think it may be partly my fault that it has happened, instead of giving her medicine in her mouth since her dental and the subsequent infection I've been putting it in her food so I'm not messing her about too much, she clearly hasn't been getting her full dose and of course as that happened she was eating less and it became a bit of a vicious circle

oh and I are thinking if it happens again it will probably be her time, she isn't suited to spending days in a cage, it was always my hope that she wouldn't know she was ill

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2019, 13:32:37 PM »
Sorry to hear her bloods were so far out, the fact they have come down so much on fluids and she is well enough in herself is a positive sign. Would be worth asking the rest of her results, see if it shows a reason for the sudden spike as she has been on treatment – Buster’s was an infection. Am glad the vet is positive about it and that she is coming home tonight.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2019, 12:44:17 PM »

Creatinine at that level confirms the CRF diagnosis for sure I would say Dawn.  Fluids can certainly make a major improvement.  I recall thinking that recovery following fluids would only be relatively temporary but was proved wrong by another Purrs member whose cat went on for a while after fluid therapy.  Will have a look see and see if I can recall who it was.

Sorry Dawn, I can't find who it was.  We let Freddie go when the result came back over 900.  It was off the scale and he was obviously uncomfortable. 

I'm quite sure you and hubby will be able to tell when Tilly is no longer enjoying her life.  Tanya's website (the go to feline CRF bible) helpfully mentioned to look out for circling when trying to lie down as if can't get comfortable.  That's what happened with our darling Fred RIP
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2019, 09:53:59 AM »
vet has just called, she can come home this evening, star has an appointment tonight anyway so we will collect her then - she said her numbers are down (she wouldn't say what said we would discuss later) but will never likely be in the normal again, she does seem to have her appetite back though

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2019, 09:03:54 AM »


Dawn, thinking of you and sending every good wish and tons of snoozles  xxx


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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2019, 08:49:24 AM »
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2019, 08:35:46 AM »
thanks so much, this is what I appreciate so much about purrs

anyway events have over taken us, I got a call while cooking dinner on Friday night to say the results had just come in and I had to take her as a matter of urgency to the out of hours service, her creatinine was over 700 and should be under 140 so the upshot is my poor girl has been in all weekend having her kidneys flushed, I was allowed to visit on Saturday and she seemed perky and was eating again, at that stage her number was in the 500's but she is being retested this afternoon and all being well can come home - oh and I spent half Friday night asking ourselves if we should let her go but the vet wasn't in agreement and says she thinks she can bounce back from this - the thyroid didn't even get a mention, I will have to ask later

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2019, 14:17:40 PM »
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2019, 08:02:08 AM »

Hi Dawn.  I've read through this thread.  Don't know if I've missed something but did you ever get a copy of blood results that show creatinine and urea that also show normal range for comparison? 

Has Tilly been tested for diabetes?  Glad that she is being tested for T4 for hyperthyroid again but a bit confusing that she doesn't seem to be showing usual clinical sign of wanting to eat alot altho I hear that's not always the case.

What's her toileting like?   Is she being sick?

If she has both thyroid and kidney issues it's complicated.  I've read that latest thoughts are to still treat the hyperT as it is the more serious of the two conditions. Maybe trying to keep the T4 levels in upper end of normal range to help the kidneys.   Also thyroid meds are better introduced gradually to allow body to adjust to them.

It's horrible watching a loved one waste away.   Noni is also now just above half her former weight and very boney around neck and back end.   Also not as stable as she was in back legs due to muscle wastage.  She is driving me nuts to be honest and I've been driving my poor vet nuts in response.   Looking not at all well last week and playing football with a rogue ball she discovered under settee last night.  She is eating us out of house and home.

T4 for thyroid has been within normal range as have kidney results etc.  She has increasingly raised liver enzymes ALT & ALP (occurs in both hyperthyroid and IBD)

She has also had sloppy poo for years often with blood in it which points towards IBD.  IBD can often depress T4 results so one of our clever young vets Jackie suggested testing fT4 to rule out thyroid and hey presto it was raised.  She has now been retested.  T4 still in normal range but fT4 much higher. It's been a long journey to where we are now.

Currently waiting to speak to vet at Hyperthyroid Centre in Wetherby on tuesday morning to try and get her in for radioactive iodine treatment. I'm told that his initial thoughts are that she's not straightforward.  No idea if I'm doing the right thing due to managing her IBD which flares up occasionally but she's just finished another course of B12 injections and is now on B12 sprinkled on food every other day.

Sending hugs and everything crossed that the results give you some answers next week Dawn  :hug: :hug:
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2019, 13:33:17 PM »
she did say there would be issues but said we would talk it all over when the results are back - she is so small now its very sad  :( she is almost half her weight in her prime

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2019, 13:30:40 PM »
Fingers crossed for the blood tests, my vet won’t treat hyper-t if they have kidney issues, as the increased blood flow helps the kidneys so treating the thyroid can make the kidneys worse.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #94 on: November 15, 2019, 08:30:19 AM »
vet thinks she might have hyper thyroid, her weight has gone down to 3.3 they have done a full geriatric blood panel and will know more next week - she looks so frail it is ridiculous but in herself is just the same old tilly  :(

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2019, 13:34:28 PM »
lol thanks Desley, but then what do I get you for your birthday!  I'll message you

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2019, 13:07:57 PM »
No worries, just message me with your address, don’t worry about the money, call it a birthday present 😊Are there any flavours she isn’t keen on? Think Lucy has beef, chicken, tuna, salmon and turkey.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #91 on: October 29, 2019, 17:47:48 PM »
Now I have seen the names I remember it was Royal Canin wet and Hills biscuits. :-[
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2019, 13:43:27 PM »
that would be amazing thank you - I'm was looking earlier and thinking how good it would be to be able to get a selection box.  send me a message with your address and I'll send you the money  :hug:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #89 on: October 29, 2019, 13:18:32 PM »
I can post some to you Dawn, Lucy has 3 flavours of Royal Canin, 2 flavours of Purina NF, Kattovit and Hills KD + Mobility.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #88 on: October 29, 2019, 09:31:55 AM »
That's very good news Dawn!

Frances, thank you so much for that link with the End of Life scores, I have not seen it before. I have always wondered whether I let Chivvy go too soon (we were going away the next day for OH's birthday and I was put under a great deal of pressure  >:() but that has helped enormously.

The only experience I had of renal failure was with Cleo, who we took over when my SIL went abroad. Cleo was perfectly well until the Friday, a bit off colour on the Saturday (when she was still purring at the vet, as usual), bloods taken for diagnosis on Monday, but mortally ill by the Tuesday when we said our last Goodbyes. It is good to know that this is the exception rather than the norm!

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #87 on: October 29, 2019, 09:14:46 AM »
Yay!!  That's great to hear, Dawn   :wow:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #86 on: October 29, 2019, 08:23:25 AM »
thanks all, I knew I could rely on you  :hug:  on my drive to work this morning I had decided to get a selection of kidney food and see what she makes of it, she was on good form this morning and ate very well

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2019, 22:48:07 PM »
My Old Dear Jo's Macavity, was on a kidney diet for years, wet and dry from the vet, he lived on for more years than she did, he was about 17 when he was PTS. :'( I can't remember the make, but they were white boxes with photo of a tabby on them.) I think James Well Beloved,  but wouldn't swear to it, i just know it was quite expensive,, she used to order it and I used to collect it.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2019, 18:11:37 PM »


Oh Dawn.  My heart goes out to you.  I have a photo of Paddy taken when he was in his prime, and he was a little stunner, but as he succumbed to hypert and kidney issues, he was like a little bag of bones.

To see Hilly not make the leap must have been so difficult for you.  Xxx


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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2019, 14:25:48 PM »
Dawn loosing weight and suspected kidney issues can also be Hyper T or diabetes both mask CRF - we have had the lot so are pretty good at the signs a simple blood test could tell you all you need to know numbers for bloods etc may be worth visiting before the required appointment to try and put you mind at rest x
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2019, 14:19:07 PM »
dilute torti?
I believe so, all her papers went with her when she was fostered.  My mum's friend volunteered for Shropshire Cat Rescue and my mum was persuaded to take Georgie as a short-term foster because she had experience of Persians.  Epic fail on the fostering front!  Georgie hadn't been well looked after and was a bit of a mess mentally and in her coat.  She spent the first year mostly behind the sofa but slowly progressed to become a real cuddlebum.  I was sorry not to be able to keep her but my own cat at the time had left his previous home because he didn't get on with other cats.

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2019, 14:02:54 PM »
what a lovely girl, dilute torti?

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2019, 14:01:04 PM »
a pedigree so at a bit of a disadvantage
Georgie, my mum's cat, was a rescued pedigree Persian - 14 is about average for the breed so CRF or not she did okay.

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2019, 13:13:07 PM »
thanks for the input both, its the best thing about purrs  :hug:  I think she just looks old now she used to be so muscular you can feel every bone now but I was upset yesterday when she was jumping on the furniture and didn't make the other side and fell, it was a jump she would have done with her eyes shut before - i'm open to trying anything as long as she is happy her last lot of bloods showed no change so there is every chance that might be the case again - she is 14 at the end of November but a pedigree so at a bit of a disadvantage

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2019, 13:06:14 PM »
In theory, they can live with kidney failure for years as long as it is being well managed, but equally, some cats don’t respond or accept things so may only have months, I’ve had both ends of the spectrum. It certainly isn’t called an emotional rollercoaster for nothing. Lucy has had early stage for 2.5 years now, she has only had a diet change, with no medication, but we can’t put her on a fully renal diet, so hers is a mixture of renal, senior and adult. Tilly might surprise you diet wise, I’ve had very few refuse to eat biscuits, and Lucy was on 50g pouches as she wouldn’t eat 100g ones, but yet will happily eat renal food! I also started with one of the RC Palatability packs, she now has 4 different brands of renal wet, including one that also has joint support in. I don’t think you can make any decisions till you know what her current bloods are like, her agility could be age rather than kidney issues.
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