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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2018, 07:54:09 AM »


Just catching up with this Dawn, and so pleased to hear the news.  Glad her weight is remaining stable.  Sending snoozles to her from me, Moray, Malt & Barley.   :hug: :hug:



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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2018, 21:15:47 PM »
VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THE NEWS DAWN  :hug:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2018, 18:12:34 PM »
VERY GOOD NEWS, KEEP ON LITTLE LOVELY

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2018, 13:08:39 PM »
Glad she is seeming fine in herself, that is promising. We might not be able to reverse the damage, but seems like she is responding and can stay stable.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »
thanks for asking Alison, she is still drinking more she doesn't seem to have lost any weight, on my scales at home for the last two weeks has stayed at 10lb she is fine in herself not sure what to make of it really

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2018, 21:48:17 PM »
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2018, 00:07:57 AM »
TTHATS A WORRY AND SOUNDS LIKE THEMEDS TO ME

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2018, 13:37:53 PM »
That’s interesting Carol – I’m sure only ALT and ALK-P are checked on standard blood tests, I know one of them the vets weren’t bothered when they changed with Buster. Shame she was dismissive of it being related to the medication.   
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2018, 09:59:30 AM »
Such a worry for you Dawn!  :hug:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2018, 08:38:00 AM »
its the alt, its gone from 237 to 553 the vet was quite dismissive of the medicine being to blame but if it hasn't changed next time I would say there is a good chance.  if it has gone up further she wants to investigate for lymphoma, she thinks it unlikely at the moment as everything else is fine but we will see

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2018, 14:37:37 PM »
thank you Carol!  I've noted that down, I'm sure the vet will think I'm a pain but  :P

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2018, 14:32:57 PM »
Gah, just lost my post.  I'll try again.

Dawn you need to know exactly what liver values are affected.  A doubling may sound dramatic but if it's just transaminases (ALT and AST or SGOT and SGPT as they used to be called) then it's unlikely to be of major concern provided other values like bilirubin are within the normal range and there are no clinical symptoms.

To put it into perspective, in humans an elevation in transaminases is described as a mild increase until it goes above 5x (or in some labs 6x) normal.  Many drugs cause clinically insignificant  increases in transaminases.  Obviously worth keep an eye on both her values and her clinical condition though.  Personally I wouldn't be too worried by the 3 months but I can understand your concern (and your vet's) after your experience with Amber, so 2 months sounds like a good compromise.

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2018, 13:43:09 PM »
That sounds a good plan.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2018, 13:40:20 PM »
I spoke to oh at lunchtime, he thinks 3 months is too long as well, he has suggested two months with us weighing her at home tonight and then weekly at home, I think I will suggest that

I know she is being cautious after what happened with amber (her tumour was missed and she was treated for 5 months for cat flu) which is why she is saying the specialist who comes once a week will do the scan and not one of them!

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2018, 13:34:28 PM »
As her weight is stable, and she is fine in herself, I’d be tempted to leave, although 3 months seems a long time, I’m sure when Busters were randomly out we re-tested after a month. 
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »
yes frances I think that is what she said, I should have written it down,  but I am meeting with her after work so will ask about this again and take a note pad!

I am going for the waiting route myself at the moment I think, she hates being messed about and it was raining this morning and she was so funny running about trying to dodge the rain, she really doesn't seem ill at all

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2018, 11:34:58 AM »
Looking at Semintra on NOAH it says: "Elevated liver enzymes have been very rarely observed and values normalised within a few days following cessation of therapy."  Is this what has come up on her liver values?

As she is happy in herself and is "being Tilly", I'd be inclined to go for "watchful waiting" and take her back sooner than three months if anything changes.

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2018, 10:43:51 AM »
bit of an update, she has been back for blood this morning weight is stable and kidneys the same, however the liver value has doubled vet is suggesting either scan with a specialist or leave for three months and retest and she is happy in herself, eating, playing and being tilly - I can't decide

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2018, 20:05:34 PM »
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2018, 13:55:08 PM »
No, they don't normally check blood pressure if using it for CKD, just to stop protein leaking into the urine. Glad she seems to have stopped losing weight, and is happy in herself, lovely looking girl.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2018, 13:53:16 PM »
yes Desley it does mention blood pressure in the literature, although nobody has told me they have taken her blood pressure, it also seems to be some kind of protein blocker - anyway if it helps that is fine.  I don't know if it is just us but we both said last night she looks like she has stopped loosing weight, we will see what the scales say next week she is very cheerful at the moment, she was bombing around in the garden last night she is such a big character.  anyway we will see how things go



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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2018, 13:31:46 PM »
Semintra is what my friend’s cat has been put on, despite not doing a urine test. It is actually a blood pressure medication, but they use it to help kidney function, my neighbours cat was on it for high blood pressure, although she had slight kidney issues too. The out of hours thing is a big thing, my neighbour wont change as even though the distance between mine and hers is similar if you need it at silly o’clock, she doesn’t like the drive to mine, but I prefer it as it is the main branch of my vets, so access to all their records, when you have cats with unusual, multiple health issues, that is a big bonus! And now they have stopped the out of hours consultation charge, so no worry about how much extra it will cost. Most people don’t even need to use it, but I think it needs to be factored in when choosing a vet.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2018, 08:05:13 AM »


Oh Dawn.  That's so poignant.  As I say to Barley:  Even big girls need their Mammies sometimes.  :hug:   Sending soothing vibes for Tilly. 

Age in cats is a strange business indeed.  I've lost  too many cats at the age of four and under, and I got one to "twenty anna bit" and I can't tell you how startled I was recently to realise Moray is now 5 years old.  It seems like only yesterday that we brought him home, having lost our gorgeous Ross.  And now the gurlies are almost 3.   

Whatever age Tilly is, you've made her recent years far better than she ever expected, bless you and your OH.   :hug:



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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2018, 15:31:01 PM »
its the after hours thing I'm concerned about, although oh is keen

she is on her meds now its not a supplement I don't think, it is called semintra she was on my lap this morning, I can count the times on one hand!  bless her

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2018, 15:27:45 PM »
I would definitely be changing vets. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2018, 16:08:11 PM »
OMG WHAT A MESS

MY FIRST TWO BIRMANS LIVED UNTIL ABOUT SIXTEEN SEVENTEEN, AND NAPOLEON STARTED HAVING SEIZURES, DUCHA HAD KIDNEY PROBS I THINK BUT EACH CAT IS DIFFERENT AND ALSO THE TYPE OF PEDIGREE

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2018, 12:55:41 PM »
hmm, maybe you should change then! Hope OH can hide his annoyance later. I'd be tempted to do it now actually, when Buster had his kidney removed, he was put on medication as my old vet had never dealt with it before (and how they operated is a story for another day!!), I then changed vets who questioned the meds, we took him off them for a month, re-tested him and his values actually reduced without the meds! So I may have bought him longer by changing vets.
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2018, 12:53:09 PM »
Once we know what is wrong I do think I'll change, I went to pick up the prescription and it wasn't there, then the receptionist found three pain killers out the back with tillys name on I said that I thought there should be more but she wasn't having any of it saying I must be mistaken  I asked her to phone the vet (who was at a different branch) and she said she will be consulting anyway I came away with three tablets for the bladder inflammation and a bad mood!  the vet phoned later to say she had forgotten to put the other item through, oh is collecting it today I'm hormonally challenged and can't face it  :innocent:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2018, 12:45:15 PM »
I've just googled the average lifespan of a cat, there is a lot of variance, some say 15-17, some 15-18, some 12, but then it changes for pedigrees, which one says is 10-13! No wonder two vets have different opinions. I still go off 14, but like humans you can have two the same age that act differently - Buster was more active at 17 than Lucy was at 8!
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2018, 14:43:41 PM »
it doesn't help having two people involved they can't even agree on if she is old or not one said well she isn't old and the other well she is getting on a 13 year old Bengal  :Crazy:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2018, 13:53:20 PM »
Interesting that they are going to use supplements even though her numbers aren’t quite high enough, it’ll be interesting to see how it works. Surprised she thinks something like a bladder infection would cause weight loss. My friend’s cat has a similar weight loss with similar numbers, I wonder if certain body types just drop weight quicker than others? Hope the next visit shows better results. It is tricky when you are getting conflicting advice from vets, no wonder OH wants to change. In theory my out of hours is now further, but the normal opening hours are longer, so less chance of needing it, it's my vet so access to records, seeing someone I know (as I am an unfortunate client, I know all 7 vets!) and if it is silly O'clock the traffic will make the travelling similar to the old one. 
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Re: increased drinking
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Yes, I can fully appreciate where your OH is coming from, Dawn.    Am sending him a hug too.   :hug:

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2018, 11:30:47 AM »
thank you sue, you are right of course  :shy:  although oh just can't get over amber being misdiagnosed for all those months - he really wants to change vets but I'm not sure now is the time, the out of hours is much further away with the other vet, not a problem until you need it of course!

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2018, 11:26:52 AM »


In some ways frustrating Dawn, but in others, at least it's not highlighted anything more sinister.  Am topping up the thoughts and vibes for Tilly.  Maybe she can shake this off, and hoping that when she has to go back in 10 days time, things might be clearer without the need for a scan.   :hug:



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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2018, 08:57:43 AM »
the results are back from the urine sample, they show protein in the urine she said they wouldn't normally treat until the levels were 0.4 and tilly is 0.3 but said there is growing evidence for early treatment being a good thing so I'm picking something up tonight she also said there are signs of some inflammation in the bladder so it giving me a few days anti inflammatories, she wants more bloods in 10 days

I did discuss the weight loss again, she agreed that it was a lot of weight and that she couldn't really account for it, she had already said that she wouldn't expect to see symptoms in a cat with tillys numbers so the fact that she was drinking a lot could be something else, like a bladder infection, which the urine hasn't pointed to, anyway the plan is we give her the meds and in 10 days she goes back is weighed again and has the bloods - if there is a marked change in either we will arrange a scan to see if something else is going on

don't really feel any further forward but the good thing is she is totally unaware that she is ill and is carrying on as normal

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2018, 13:38:02 PM »
They do indeed use similar testing kits R – I used to get the human ones from my neighbour and test Buster’s myself, and just take the dipstick to the vet! It is unfortunately a minefield when different vets have different ideas – I was horrified when my friends vet described hers as having months to live when his values were similar to Lucy’s – that was around March, when she went in May there was a locum who told her not to panic, his values were classed as early. She uses the practice I used to use, and the vet she initially saw was one I complained about for dismissing lumps that turned out to be mammary gland tumours! Creatinine is a better indicator, as raised Urea can be due to other things, such as infection or dehydration. Scales are a good idea – I bought baby scales rather than pet ones, they were about £50 from Argos but came in handy – when I got them, I weighed Buster before a vet visit, to determine their accuracy, and they were close enough to the vets. Ironically he didn’t mind being weighed at the vet, but hated it at home. Didn’t get far with Lucy though.

Glad the head vet seemed more practical about it, and testing to see which option is best for her is good, glad he also put your mind at ease about her weight not necessarily meaning something more sinister – although I can understand OH’s frustration! I hate receptionists who have issues with handing out blood test results – the branch I use are great, but the main branch are quite rigid. I completely understand they don’t necessarily have enough knowledge to know what some of them mean, but unfortunately I do. My old vets just refused point blank to give out print outs, my new ones seemed baffled when I was surprised at being offered a copy!
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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2018, 09:01:21 AM »
oh is pretty frustrated with the mixed information as you say, the first vet was talking about the urine being for toxicity and infection.  anyway I will hold fire until that comes back!  she is very forgiving my spotty girl, she hops out of the basket and has a snuffle to see what is for dinner!

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2018, 08:56:39 AM »

Glad you got a chance to speak to head vet Dawn and that Tillys visit was quickly over for her.  Odd that previous vet was talking about sending sample away to check for infection and this vet saying it will be useful to decide how to proceed with treatment.

I find it difficult to process information methodically when one of ours is ill and find the numbers on blood results penetrate the information blocks that I erect far more easily than the spoken word.  Never can understand the reluctance to pass on blood results.  Find that irritating.

Have also experienced a head vet who roughly handled one of ours (our Tom RIP who wouldnt hurt a soul) and it was a very long time before ...... I was going to say forgave him but I never did ... more just let it go as he handled our Billy later extremely well.  Head vets pretty well always have bags of experience to offer which is what you need.

Assume you will hear by phone about results and suggest you ask vet for a print out then.

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2018, 08:26:25 AM »
took her back for the urine last night, I saw one of the partners, who I've never been keen on because he grabbed her by the back of the head very hard once!  Anyway that aside he is a very good vet and explained that the urine sample will be useful for deciding how to proceed be it supplements, binders or renal diet he had another feel of her and said he was pretty sure there were no masses in her stomach and that loosing a kilo was reasonable with renal failure and didn't necessarily mean something else was going on - she was as good as gold I have to say, she had a full bladder so it was pretty straightforward and we were back home before she knew it

once the results are in I will make an appointment to go in and discuss further, I know what you mean about the numbers Rosella, the numbers the other vet gave me on the phone bear no relation to anything I can find but I'll ask for a print out, the receptionist wouldn't let me have it when I went in to pay on Friday but I'm sure the vet will 

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Re: increased drinking
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2018, 18:17:07 PM »
I’m sorry Tilly’s diagnosis is unclear. 

As Gill says, Sasa has CRF, discovered when I took her to the vet for something else and on weighing her realised she had dropped from 4.47kg to 4.00kg in six months. 

She was not easy to get blood from – it took two visits, the second one with the vet, a nurse and me trying to keep her calm – and there was barely enough to test to confirm the vet’s suspicions.  I haven’t asked for numbers as trying to do any follow-up bloods is in the too difficult (and stressful) drawer.  She was offered a urine test if she was amenable to being pilled, but after consulting Gill, pilling was also crossed off the list.

She is on a mostly renal diet, both wet and biscuits, and is doing well on it.  Misa also has the renal biscuits, which will do him no harm, and will try to scoff her wet food given half a chance.  She returns the favour by nicking his Felix;  I’m just happy that she keeps on eating.   

 


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