opinion has change on the age of this puss. he has been examined a bit more by the lady whos son fished him out of the drain and he has a few scars and they now think he is skinny in an elderly way. he'll probably be going to croydon CP as they don't think their place is the right environment for an elderly cat (they already have a grumpy blind dog, a poorly old cat and a younger cat). hopefully they will find a chip when he goes to the vet in the morning and he can be reunited with his owner.