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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2007, 09:11:26 AM »
I don't think the RSPCA automatically PTS - but its a sad fact that we are overflowing and can't manage to deal with cats in aour own area so ones out of the area are even more of a problem. We just do what we can with very limited resources.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2007, 09:04:32 AM »
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Ela, surely the option which would be taken would be that of 'boarding' the cat with the RSPCA, who would then pts?

It wasn't me who mentioned RSPCA, and I would have thought the poster who did knows that particular RSPCA branch, otherwise I don't  think they would have posted 'what a relief.'
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 15:40:39 PM »
Ela, surely the option which would be taken would be that of 'boarding' the cat with the RSPCA, who would then pts?

I'm amazed that this woman hasn't got any friends or family who could pop in and feed the cat. I don't have many friends, just a few, very close, ones and a cat-loving neighbour. It's amazing how isolated some people are. The cat is probably her only comfort; it would be such a shame if arrangements can't be made.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 12:37:34 PM »
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Don't Social Services have an obligation to pay for animal care for a certain length of time while an owner is in hospital

I think you are talkiing about the 1948 National Assistance act. You would need to read it to see if it would help in a given situation:-Section 48 of the National Assistance Act 1948 places a duty on the local authority to protect the property of persons admitted as a patient to any hospital, admitted to Part III accommodation or removed to any other place under an order made under Section 47 (3) of the National Assistance Act 1948.
 
The term Part III is also taken to apply to private and voluntary rest and nursing homes following the National Health Service and Community Care Act of 1990.
 
Assistance will only be provided if the person is
" A patient in any hospital
" Admitted to Part III accommodation
" Removed to any other place under an order made under Section 47 (3) of the National
Assistance Act 1948
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" It appears that no other suitable arrangements have been or are being made ( e.g. by relatives, friends, solicitors etc. )
 
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The person's ability to pay may be taken into consideration and they may be financially assessed and required to meet some or all of the cost.

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Property Protection
Q. Who looks after pets when the owners are hospitalised?
A. You do, as a Local Authority!!
Many of us who work in the field of animal welfare, from Local Authority Animal / Dog Wardens to local animal charities have all at some time received a call about an animal that has been left in a property (abandoned). After making enquiries you have found that the owner has been hospitalised either through ill health or mental illness. Under certain circumstances Local Authorities Social Services have a legal duty to provide protection of property (this includes pets).
Below is part of a Section 48 Procedure under the National Assistance Act 1948,
What is Property Protection?
Councils have a legal duty to provide protection of property under S.48 of the National Assistance Act 1948 ('The Act').
Where a person:
(a) Is admitted as a patient to any hospital, or
(b) is admitted to accommodation provided under Part III of this Act, i.e. residential care, or
(c) is removed to any other place under subsection (3) of the last foregoing section. and it appears to the council that there is a danger of loss of, or damage to, any movable property by reason of his/her temporary or permanent inability to protect or deal with the property, and that no other suitable arrangements have been made, it shall be the duty of the council to take reasonable steps to prevent or mitigate loss or damage.
What are the Property Protection Principles?
We have a duty to:
(a) Act in the best interest of the service user at all times.
(b) Look after the service users property, including pets.
(c) Make sure the service users money is being used to give him or her the best possible quality of life.
(d) Keep any property secure, in a reasonable state of repair, and ensure that adequate insurance is in place.
(e) Keep all important documents and other valuable items in a safe place.
(f) Take reasonable steps to prevent or mitigate any loss or damage.

What does Property Protection involve?
The services provided by the Council under the Act are as follows:
n Securing service users property.
n Conducting inventories of service users property.
n Storage of service users property.
n Arranging for the boarding of pets.
n Arranging the valuation, sale or disposal of service users property.

Is the service user eligible for Property Protection?
The service user must be in hospital, a residential care home or removed to suitable premises because they were in need of care and attention.
There must appear to be a danger of loss or damage to the service users property due to their temporary or permanent inability to protect or deal with the property.
There is no appropriate third party willing to protect the property on the service users behalf.


Overview
Councils have a legal duty to provide protection of property under S.48 of the
National Assistance Act 1948 ('The Act').
This includes the welfare of pets who may be neglected whilst the service user:
(a) Is admitted as a patient to any hospital, or
(b) is admitted to accommodation provided under Part 111 of this Act, i.e. residential care, or
(c) is removed to any other place under subsection (3) of the last foregoing section.
This procedure deals with the options available to the resident.
What are my obligations in relation to pet care?
> Contact any relatives, neighbours or friends to see if they wish to board the pet.
> All animal related queries should be referred to the Animal Warden.
> Any unattended animal must be removed and boarded within a 24 hour period.
> All pets are treated as movable property under the National Assistance Act 1948.

How Do Social Services arrange for a pet to be looked after?
Take the following steps:
Step 1: Contact the Animal Warden
> As soon as you become aware that a pet will be left unattended for more than 24 hours, you must contact the Animal Warden and inform him of the need to board a pet.
Step 2: Arrange to gain access to the service user's home
> Obtain the keys to the service users home or
> Arrange for a locksmith to meet you & the Animal Warden at the service users home to change the locks.
> The Animal Warden will remove the pet and arrange boarding.

Step 3: Options available to the Service User
If the service user is in permanent residential care and is able to make informed decisions, the following options should be considered, and where possible the service users wishes adhered to:
> Re-homing on a permanent basis through the Animal Warden.
> Placing the pet in kennels permanently providing that the service user is willing to pay for this directly.
> Put the animal down humanely - the service user can choose to have the animal put down via a Veterinary Surgeon.
If the service user is mentally incapable of expressing a preference:
> An attempt should be made via the animal warden to re-home the pet. If this proves unsuccessful the pet should be put down humanely.
If the service user has not chosen an option for their pet after the eight week period, the Animal Warden should be asked to re-home the pet permanently, if possible.
If this is not possible the animal should be put down humanely, with the consent of the service manager.



 

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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 12:26:13 PM »
I will find out what is happening but don't have time to nanny the woman. The thing is, if the vet takes it in on Saturday, they are unlikely to put it on the street. One of our retired volunteers who has time on her hands said she would be willing to pick the cat up and take it to the cattery but someone will have to pay the bill.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 11:54:05 AM »
Don't Social Services have an obligation to pay for animal care for a certain length of time while an owner is in hospital?

I hope someone can help - she might be a bit thick on the finer points of moggy-care but she obviously cares and she can't help being ill - even if it's not technically an emergency hospital admission it's always extremely stressful and upsetting and I can easily imagine someone finding it hard to be organised enough to sort something out for their pets - and she WAS trying.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 22:38:13 PM »
I hope something is done, but rescues shouldn't have to pay the bill (although we have done something similar this year, but she was one of ours originally and if care coudnt have been found, she would have had to be rehomed, and as she came from us, she would have come back to us!! All her food and litter was provided though) but the cat might be insured but unvaccinated, my neighbours animals are, despite being indoor/outdoor.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 17:37:35 PM »
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The vet said he would treat for free


WE don't hear anything like that very often, do we?
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 17:32:37 PM »
Also not good that she thinks her cat will be happy with a quick visit every 2 days  :(

btw - the kitten I spoke about earlier - luckily the lady was very proactive. She was really out of our area and had taken the kitten to a vet in Dover which is nearer. The vet said he would treat for free and the RSPCA are taking it afterwards - that's a relief  :)
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 17:22:01 PM »
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She said "Oh I only do that every other day"

Well, you wouldn't want to be invited to her house for a cup of tea then. Unfortunately someone people who go to her house  will think that is what  it is like when you have a cat and give cat owners a bad name.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 16:31:01 PM »

Unfortunately I think most rescues are full to bursting and have lists of cats waiting to come in. They cannot use up pens to care for owned cats on a temporary basis. That is not what CP is about, their aims are to rescue, rehabilitate and to re-home and that is what people give us donations for. They do not give us donations to aid owned cats.

I was told that we took a cat in this week that has been on the waiting list since January - but due to other more needy cats had to wait all that time.

Some other things the woman said.

She said that if someone could go to her house and feed him that would be fine. The receptionist said for someone to go in twice a day takes up a lot of time. She said once a day is enough as he has a pouch in the morning and biscuits the rest of the time. The receptionist said what about spending time for a fuss etc. She said he is nervous and wouldn't want a fuss from anyone and he only likes her.  :Crazy:
Then she said - ONCE EVERY OTHER DAY IS OK  :Crazy: - The receptionist said what about the litter tray. She said "Oh I only do that every other day"
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 15:49:30 PM »
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we are expected to move mountains to sort their problem out at the last minute.

How true, only today a woman phoned to say she is going to work abroad from next Tuesday, and could we take in her 7 year old cat. She has known for months about this and it makes me so annoyed, but of course you cannot show it.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2007, 15:45:51 PM »
It's a sad fact of life that we aren't there to subsidise owned healthy cats. Naturally we will do our best. We are already full up but I took a call today from a lady who has nabbed a stray kitten with flu. We have advised her to get it to the vet while we scratch our heads trying to find somewhere for it - naturally in isolation. As someone pointed out today, the woman must have known she was going into hospital and it's unlikely the woman that looks after her cat had a stroke today and yet we are expected to move mountains to sort their problem out at the last minute.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2007, 15:36:03 PM »
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Maybe the vet was meaning for the cat to go into cp care while the lady is in hospital? ?

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I'll phone CPL to see if they can help with the bill for you


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Surely they would be able to help then

Unfortunately I think most rescues are full to bursting and have lists of cats waiting to come in. They cannot use up pens to care for owned cats on a temporary basis. That is not what CP is about, their aims are to rescue, rehabilitate and to re-home and that is what people give us donations for. They do not give us donations to aid owned cats.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 15:24:09 PM »
Maybe the vet was meaning for the cat to go into cp care while the lady is in hospital? Surely they would be able to help then?

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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2007, 15:21:00 PM »
In these cases shouldnt the vet be telling the owner about the PDSA?

I don't think the PDSA will help with a cattery bill.
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 15:18:56 PM »
In these cases shouldnt the vet be telling the owner about the PDSA?

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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2007, 14:02:03 PM »
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I'll phone CPL to see if they can help with the bill for you as you are on income support"

As if we in rescue haven’t got enough to deal with without vet staff saying we may help. In fact when people donate to the branches that money should be spent only on CP cats as otherwise the Charity Commission could come to the conclusion that funds have been misappropriately spent.


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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2007, 13:54:38 PM »
I think if the cat is insured they pay.

Very true - and another good reason to have pet insurance!

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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2007, 13:47:46 PM »
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but as Ela puts it I'm an "Unpaid slave" for them


Oh! Mark, I can get myself a bad name without you rubbing it in and reminding people ;D
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2007, 13:35:01 PM »
Do you work for the cp Mark?

I don't work for them but as Ela puts it I'm an "Unpaid slave" for them  :evillaugh:
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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 13:31:02 PM »
Still need vaccinating though - but hey that's just us mad cat people.  :Luv:

Poor lad. 

That blew that idea out the water  :'(



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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 13:24:49 PM »
I think if the cat is insured they pay.

The cat wasn't even vaccinated  :-: So I doubt it was insured  :tired:
The receptionist asked her is the cat was vaccinated and she said "oh no, he's an indoor cat"  :Crazy:
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 13:23:08 PM »
Do you work for the cp Mark?

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Re: Vet has a cheek
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 13:18:18 PM »
I think if the cat is insured they pay.



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Vet has a cheek
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 13:15:22 PM »
I was in the waiting room at the vets this morning. They were phoning a cattery for someone as she is going in hospital and the person who normally feeds her cat has had a stroke. The receptionist got a price for the cattery then said to the woman "I'll phone CPL to see if they can help with the bill for you as you are on income support" -  piped up "no they can't"  :evillaugh: - She said "who are you" - I said "cats protection"  :evillaugh: I said I will make enquiries and see what we can do. The vet is taking the cat for the 1st few days and we will see if we can possibly accommodate. "What a  :censored: liberty"  :evillaugh:
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