Dental pain relief

[cathycat]

So pleased things are looking more positive CC 

I think my other cat had a calici virus flare up last year ...............Think she needs to go to the new vet too so her mouth can be checked.

Sounds like a good plan methinks even if just to put your mind at rest for the moment 

Thanks Rosella moggy

[cathycat]

So pleased that you feel happier with the new vet - given your description of the practice, the team and the location, I'm pretty certain I know who you're referring to and some of my bunny friends travel long distances to go there too - so you're definitely onto a winner with them!!  Fingers crossed everything settles down and Eddie can be kept happy and comfortable for a long time yet xx

Yes S and K have saved 2 of my bunnies lives.Just wish I lived alittle closer to the clinic!!They are so good.

[Rosella moggy]

So pleased things are looking more positive CC 

I think my other cat had a calici virus flare up last year ...............Think she needs to go to the new vet too so her mouth can be checked.

Sounds like a good plan methinks even if just to put your mind at rest for the moment 

[fluffybunny]

So pleased that you feel happier with the new vet - given your description of the practice, the team and the location, I'm pretty certain I know who you're referring to and some of my bunny friends travel long distances to go there too - so you're definitely onto a winner with them!!  Fingers crossed everything settles down and Eddie can be kept happy and comfortable for a long time yet xx

[cathycat]

Long may that continue Dawn ;DIm glad your boy isn't really troubled by it.
Im just wondering if I can take measures to ensure both mine aren't bothered too much by it as they are both potentially affected and could pass the virus between them.Think id better swot up on this!!

[Dawn F]

stress makes my boy flare up but that said he has such an uncomplicated life he hasn't had a flare up for 7 years

[cathycat]

Thankyou Dawn F.Because it looks like my other cat may be a carrier I need to read up on how to keep this under control for both of them.

[cathycat]

Should have said-Interferon injections into his gums were discussed but the vet felt that may not be as effective as tooth removal and as hes an older cat a more direct path was better rather than a more trial and error approach if that makes sense.I will read all the info on Purrs about Calici virus.I think my other cat had a calici virus flare up last year but it wasn't really explained properly by my old vet.She was hospitalised for a week following a dental due to a horrendous mouth infection-bacterial and viral.Calici virus wasn't mentioned but her gums swelled so much she couldn't eat for days or close her mouth.I need to ask as this will have a bearing on Eddies treatment.Think she needs to go to the new vet too so her mouth can be checked.Ho hum complicated!!

[Dawn F]

so glad you have a vet you are confident in now, I have a calici cat, he gets on just fine

[cathycat]

Hello all.Just a little update.Sorry I haven't been on Purrs for a while.
I felt I wasn't really getting anywhere with the vet so I changed to the lovely vet I take my rabbits to.The surgery only treats cats and rabbits so no dogs which is another reason to go there as Eddie is so terrified of dogs.Its about an hour away from me so I wanted to make sure it was the right decision.It soooo was!It seems he has calici virus.His mouth is a mess and very sore.He is on Metacam and Synulox {Penicillin}for 2 weeks to see if eliminating any bacteria present helps.This wont make any difference with the virus of course but without being able to clean his teeth, it will tidy up any bacterial issues in his mouth.The next plan is to remove more teeth.Just at the back of his mouth-one of which should have come out last time.If things still don't improve it may be necessary to remove the remaining front teeth.At last he has a proper treatment plan AND decent pain relief.The vetergesic was fine but its effects were very short term and he spent a lot of time in discomfort-hence his distant behaviour.The anti-inflamitory effects of Metacam must also be bringing relief to him.Hes still distant but theres glimpses of his former self and until hes feeling better that's very understandable.
I feel so guilty not getting him right sooner and his mouth getting worse.The new vets who are a brilliant husband and wife vet team in Northampton are so gentle and kind and make you think youre their only client-the initial consultation lasted over half an hour but Eddie was only alittle worried and the journey didn't seem to worry him too much so my local vets which he will remain registered with, will only be for emergencies.I feel much more hopeful now.

[sheilarose]

You know it's perfectly acceptable to seek a second opinion? your vet seems to not be listening to you, and some vet practises are notorious for squeezing every penny from their clients while doing no good to their patients.

I have personal experience of something very similar and it was only when my Beau was at deaths door did I seek the opinion of a different practise. 6 years later Beau us still with me but the vet practise I left behind continues to do wrong by their customers all in the name of profit.

Don't want to worry you but if they are not helping your cat and still draining your purse, go somewhere else. Ask your local cat rescue for a vet recommendation, they usually know the good ones from the bad. The vet would ask for a full medical history to be sent over from your current practise before doing any tests themselves, this is medical ethics and professional courtesy but you are entitled to those notes and results because you gave paid for them.

I wish you and Eddie all the luck in the world, and he gets the chance of seeing a good vet sooner than my Beau did.

[fluffybunny]

How's the little chap doing now? X

[Lyn (Slugsta)]

Poor boy! I do hope you get some answers soon so that he can get back to normal.

[cathycat]

Thankyou Gill.He used to be my little shadow and the second I sat hed be on my lap.The contrast is incredible.

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

Yes metacam gets injected into scruff as far as I knw but my cats liked it in their food which was soft pate and used to mix it in one little bit and Ducha would go for that bit first every time!

I also then knew he had eaten it or most 

Good luck at vets.

Poor boy needs to be sorted so he can build his trust with you.

[cathycat]

I didn't know Metacam was injectable that's interesting as I have experience of injecting rabbits with penicillin (scruff only).Im absolutely dreading taking him to the vet later-that is if I can extract him from behind the wardrobe.I can only really go by his behaviour as there is no way he will let me have a proper look in his ears/mouth.I just don't know if his increasing anti social behaviour is because hes feeling so rubbish or hes so frightened of me.Abit of both I suspect.
All I know is its getting ridiculous and we definitely need to sort his pain relief today-even if it makes me alittle unpopular at the vets!!I feel like im having to fight his corner.Its exactly a week now and he needs a break.

[Liz]

My oldie Hyper T feral had all her teeth out last year and was on Metacam injections every 2 days that I administered as I am on my thord diabetic the vets trusts me to inject ferals where possible to save the fear factor and loss of skin

I have a Calici boy my darling Chunkchop and he was a mess 18 months ago and has had several teeth out and has ulcers almost permanantly and dribbles a lot, he also had Complivet fopod supplement - one pump is equal to a 4kg cats full days calories, he lived on liquidised food for 6 months and then we decided on a cocktail injection of Vit B, Covenia and Metacam once every 4 weeks and lo and behold he suddenly started eating solid food again with his food supplement and has maintained his 5kg weight for a year and has his cocktail every 4 weeks and I have Metacam injection in the fridge should he need a top up during the 4 weeks fortunately he is the same weight as my arthritic didbetic who also gets a metacam shot when needed as the liquid isn't as strong and doesn't seem to have the same effect

[cathycat]

Gill,sounds like you had a horrendous time with poor Napoleon,Iwill have a look at his story.I will ask that Eddies computer notes include a "sensitive ears warning"as we cant go through this again.He had his teeth/ears done a week ago now and hes still very sore in his ears and mouth.I think there must be an infection somewhere-we will find out tomorrow.On Saturday when I took him as I was so worried I was told he was ok but I cant believe if all was well hed still be so sore.Im going to request Metacam as Vetergesic isn't working despite an increase in doseage.

Its so stressful to see him so uncomfortable-hes had enough rubbish in his life without this, poor lad.I was his first friend too-he must think IVE let him down too.Hopefully we can make amends when hes better.

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

Calici? ...........but this similiar to cat flu and dont think it would be this.

You must tell your vet in the nicest possible way that she must not administer anything to your boy without you saying yes.................she should not ignore you. Ask all the questions you need to get at the information you need and write down any you have before you go and the answers.

I do hope he is getting better 

Yes it was the first of a very worrying time with Napoleon and his story is long and painful............it can be seen if you go to the stats section as still one of the most viewed threads and residing in Rainbow Bridge.

The support on Purrs kept me going for 2-3 yrs until I finally lost him 

[Lyn (Slugsta)]

I do hope you get some answers soon and that Eddie will be back to his usual self 

[cathycat]

Thanks fluffybunny.I have rabbits too!I think you may have something there.The vet also mentioned possible Cali-something-virus(?) but wasn't sure.Id forgotten this with the worry about his pain.He looks poorly but I THINK maybe slightly better.Hard to say as hes in hiding.His ears are still hot and red but hes really not himself.
Gill you must have been very worried about Napoleon,poor boy what a horrible experience

[cathycat]

Thankyou Gill.I did tell the vet that he is allergic to ear cleaner(ears go very red and painful) so maybe Canural too as he has such sensitive ears but she put loads in anyway!!!I didn't know it could still be affecting him-when he was asleep during his dental she syringed them which could have got rid of the mites although they don't look much cleaner tbh.He is still so uncomfortable.no wonder he lays the blame with me!He is naturally so scared of the vet and afraid of me at the moment.I much prefer Metacam too as I have used it on my rabbits to good affect and also Vetergesic must taste revolting if the smell is anything to go by. :sick:I will ask the vet if that's possible as he has another apt on Tues.

I really hope he will trust me again when he recovers as we had got very close.

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

If he is allergic tp Canural it will still be in his ears cos it seems to take a long time to dispurse qnd vet could see it in Napoleons ears two days later.


I have used vetergesic and metacam and think the latter is best.
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Sasa had all her teeth out except two a couple of years ago and recovered very quickly and she is a terrified semi feral. When I collected her she was clearly terrified of the vet that brought her in and was shaking from head to toe and only calmed down when she left the room.

Napoleon had a couple of teeth out and it took him ages to recover but had to bring him home cos he was trashing the cage at the vets and could hear him shouting when I open outside door!  It was suspected by my current vet that this surgery may have induced an infection into his brain but we will never know.

Has you vets given an abs injection? A two week one maybe an idea..................sorry reread and thats happened.

Agree with Rosella.................why does everything always happen over a weekend or holiday grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Think if he is still like this on Tues you should consult with vet again.

The stronhold will take a couple of days to kick in but is excellent.

Sending loads of good wishes for Eddie 

[fluffybunny]

Poor little lad  I hope he feels better today?

In rabbits, dental pain is often associated with dental abscesses up near the ears, I know cats have a different shape face but the combination of ear pain and bad teeth does make me wonder if he has a similar issue hidden away out of view and possibly not susceptible to the antibiotic given? Did he have any x-rays done? 

Hope he is back to his normal self very soon x x

[cathycat]

Thankyou for your kind post Rosella moggie.Yes its Eddie.Hes such a sensitive chap and this has upset him a lot.He is still hiding today but takes his Vetergesic well.Hes been through such a lot since ive had him,poor boy,and his previous existence was pretty awful so I just want him happy and pain free as possible from now on.Im hoping when hes feeling better he will forgive me and be back to his cuddly self again.

[Rosella moggy]

I assume this is Eddie, poor lad    I'm very much hoping that Vetergesic has kicked in by this morning.  I have no experience of that pain killer as our vet always prescribes metacam.

The early hours of the morning are when my worry genes are at their highest (i.e. when you posted  ) but if Eddie is still hiding and shaking/scratching his head a lot, sounds like there is something wrong 

Our Freddie angel RIP had all his teeth extracted (except 2 incisors) just after he came to us and took a while to recover.  I can't quite remember how long it took for him to return to normal as it was in Oct 2006 but I would be concerned at Eddie's behaviour if it continues over next few days.  You've done the best you could by bringing forward his check up app't and getting more pain relief.

Fingers firmly crossed that he is behaving more like his old self today 

[cathycat]

Hello.Afew days ago my normally very affectionate,sociable cat became much quieter and generally low as well as shaking his head and scratching his ears.Earmites/teeth thought I so off we trot to the vet and sure enough a dental was booked and Canural for earmites prescribed.He had a dental-7 teeth out-and an ear syringe while asleep on Tuesday and came home with vetergesic to squirt into his mouth.He had a longterm antibiotic injection.He was booked for a check up this Tues but I took him today as he is in pain and I wanted to check there was no infection as well as improving his pain relief.No infection but sore gums and more vetergesic prescribed.Also Sronghold to get rid of any remaining mites.

.Vets still aren't sure if he definitely has mites as they wonder if the ear discomfort is in fact to do with teeth.They said he shouldn't be in any real pain but he hides all the time,avoids me like the plague,shakes/sctatches his head and seems very unhappy.He has a stressed look on his face.He is a TOTALLY different cat and is withdrawing more and more.I tried to explain all this at the vets but I think they thought I was just fussing.Do I just give it time or should I push for more effective pain relief?Somethings not right but I think they think im just worrying for nothing.Not really knowing if mites are present is frustrating too.It seems hes allergic to Canural hence the Stronghold-which may or may not have worked???Grrr!!!

Its so worrying thinking I may not be managing his pain effectively.  I will keep giving him the Vetergesic of course.Am I fussing??