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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2008, 22:45:50 PM »
I think as has been mentioned before, that it's largely a cat's personality that determines how it responds to its environment ... and that its environment to some extent moulds its personality.  My three are all different - all allowed free outdoor access from dawn to dusk (or thereabouts).  They have all got used to going out in the morning, and wait by the catflap for me to unlock it.  In the evening, they are usually waiting for me, hanging around near or in the garden, or already inside.  Once inside after dark they don't even try to go out again, even if I forget to lock the catflap!  They all seem very happy with that arrangement and I have no behavioural problems.  However, they all respond differently to the great outdoors - Sabby revels in it and gambols about on the grass when he's let out, before heading off for hours sometimes.  I think his territory is quite broad.  Meesha sometimes goes off on an adventure, but generally spends her time surveying the garden from the high trellis.  In the winter she's inside much more.  Shanti never seems to go further than two houses up - she always appears straight away when called, and spends the day in and out and in and out!  However, if I ever have to keep them in for any reason, it is Shanti who plays up the most, needing lots of stimulation - she's always into everything!  The other two just settle down and sleep, but after a while Sabby will sit by the catflap for ages and paw at it, obviously wanting to go out.  I think he'd be very depressed if he couldn't go out at all.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2008, 21:34:52 PM »
Thanks! :) I'll look that up.




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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2008, 00:28:05 AM »
The The APBC Book of Companion Animal Behaviour by David Appleby makes a brief mention of a similar study done on this (you'd have to look up the ref list and specific journal / study for details of how it was carried out, how participants were recruited, who big the sample size was etc) - it has a couple of chapters on cats. They seemed to find that indoor cats have fewer health problems / accidents etc, and that they lived longer on average, but that they were somewhat more prone to behavioural problems than outdoor cats.
It might be a useful starting point / reference?

I've only had 3 cats, one outdoor, and the current 2 are indoor. The outdoor (Ash) was a neutered male moggy, longhaired, who lived to 16. He suffered a fractured femur at 8 months old, and had the "ball" of the hip joint removed (this had fractured off the shaft of the femur). He developed kidney / bladder problems at about age 9 due to a neighbour feeding him tuna. He suffered multiple recurrances, and became very overweight (the old neighbour took it upon herself to "adopt" this "stray" - a whole other saga there isn't room fo here!).

My current two are Riley, aged 1 year 9 months, neutered male shorthair who is also a moggy, and is a rescue who came to us at 5 months old with a contract specifying and indoor-only home. Skye is currently 7 1/2 months old, neutered female shorthair moggy, also a rescue, and also specified to be homed as an indoor cat.

these two are no doubt too young to be relevant in your study! However, they have (as yet!) no health or behavioural problems, and we are very careful to maintain their ideal weight.

Good luck with the study - it sounds really interesting!

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 15:23:41 PM »
My first 2 cats always had unlimited access outside,  both lived quite long lives. They came and went day & night, always came in for food. One got his leg stuck thruogh supposed saftey collar while we were away, & catfeeder didn't realise. He was saved by neighbour, fine in end but always neurotic afterwards, accident affected his personality. Binky could not have been kept in, wrecked house (despite toys, scratching post, company) and would try to shoot out of door / squeeze thruogh cracks in windows. He came when called like a well trained dog, kept away from strangers when out but very friendly when in house even with strangers. He was killed last year in RTA, aged nearly 4. Xanthe is so far quite happy as indoor cat, looks out of window but makes little effort to get out.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 14:18:57 PM »
We had Bob since he was a kitten and lived in a flat so he never got out, when he was about 2/3 yrs we moved to a house that a  garden and backed on to school fields, he went out 1 day and had a sniff around the garden and came back in again, he started going out about 8/9 times a day for about 10/15 minutes at a time and eventually after about 5/6 months he would be confident and stay out for as long as he liked, but was always brought in at night.

Max we got from a rescue, but were told he had to have a garden to come and go as he pleased, after a few weeks he got out and would stay out for a couple of hours at a time, now he goes out for 1/2 hours then comes home and only goes out about 2 times a day and has now been trained to know hes not aloud out after 8/9 at night.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 13:58:10 PM »
Brilliant stuff! Keep it coming - all input helps me to figure out relevant questions. :)




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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2008, 18:23:20 PM »
My Swampy's been an outdoor and indoor cat and his personality definitely changed when he moved to indoor. He became far less agitated and nervy and much more of a love sponge. The adjustment took about 6 months, during which it was difficult and I had to play with him and occupy him constantly - and I got Max for company. I don't regret it as he's always been such a people cat, being burmese, and he's been safe whereas it was a drama a minute with him outdoors. 2 of his best mates were run over and he kept getting shut in neighbours' houses and spent a week in a cellar....he had a cat run until we moved to France and by that time was quite elderly anyhow. I'm sure he'd still love a cat run though.
Max on the other hand thinks flats are great (although where's the balcony gone?!!!!) as got stressed from seeing and smelling other animals from the cat run.
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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 14:44:57 PM »
I dont think being indoor only makes cats more timid, it all depends on teh individual cat.
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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 00:32:26 AM »
At my previous address all of my cats were outdoor and I would let them out whenever they wanted except overnight. I found their behaviour annoying as they would sit crying at the door and if I didnt let them out they would usually run a mock around the house, till I let them out.
 
Now all of my cats are garden cats except for Harry, he still manages to get out. I feel much safer when I know where they are and that they are not going to come to any harm. I want my cats to live a full long life without any accidents happening. I would say their behaviour has changed since only being allowed in the garden, they tend to listen more and come in when called. If they were out the front they would not take a blind bit of notice and usuall run off for another hour or so. I would say they want to be around me more as they know there is nothing for them outside, as in they cant get out for a wander.

Really Jack I think thats the question to ask because that covers it all I think, not much help I know  :doh:

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2008, 23:58:38 PM »
I can't make any comparisons because both of mine fall into the never been outside category, although Mosi did have access to an outdoor enclosure before he came to me age 14 weeks.  Jaffa is quite timid but Mosi is not.  I do think that Jaffa may have grown up less timid if he'd grown up with outdoor access and had more contact with other cats and people, but I think most of his nervousness is down to temperament and lack of socialisation when he was very young, rather than the fact that he's always been an indoor cat.  Magpie, his brother, had exactly the same upbringing and was not so timid.  Neither Jaffa nor Mosi have any obvious behaviour problems.

Case studies would be an obvious way to approach this but you'd have to take into account that cats have different temperaments and that behavioural differences between cats may not be due to whether they go outside or not.  You'd need a large number of case histories to be able to draw any conclusions, but case studies could be used to illustrate certain points. 

It would also be necessary to look at what sort of indoor environment was provided.  Certain behaviours occuring in indoor cats may not be the result of them being indoor cats per se, but due to their indoor environment not being satisfactory.  Indoor environments can vary a great deal so I'd say it's important not to assume that all cats kept indoors experience the same environment.

An alternative way would be to look at different behaviours that a cat indulges in and look at ways in which they can or cannot be met indoors.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2008, 23:47:37 PM »
I have one (always been) indoor cat - Cheese - 2yrs 10 months and two now indoor cats with previous outdoor access (until we adopted) - Gerti and Doc (brother and sister, 3 yrs 10 months).

Gerti is terrified of outside - not sure why but she is. I could leave a door open all day and she would probably put her front paws out and then go back in again. When we lived in our last house, I used to put Doc and Cheese behind a closed door if I was going out in the garden with the washing or something that would require the back door being open - but Gerti could stay in the kitchen as she would just watch me through the door.

When we first got Doc he used to meow at the front door even though he'd never been through it, I think because he was used to having outside access - even though when he had it he apparently didnt go out much - I think its the typical cat thing of always thinking they are missing something when there is a closed door! That only lasted a week or two though and now all three are perfectly fine and not bothered about going outside at all.

Funnily enough I would say that Cheese is the feisty cat above the others so I dont think being an indoor cat makes her any more timid!  :evillaugh:

I am happy for them to be indoor cats even though where we are now they would have alot of greenery to play around in - as they are happy enough being indoor I dont see the point in exposing them to the dangers of outside. It makes me happy safe in the knowledge they are in the house and will never be taken by the road - I would be a nervous wreck if one of them decided to stay out all night one night!

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2008, 23:37:58 PM »
Wouldnt indoor cats be more timid ...mine are indoor & i get the feeling that there are as they havnt have the outdoor experience/toughen up  ...so to speak.   Its like they lead shelted lives lol .


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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2008, 23:08:11 PM »
OK well conversation closed with scoitland so here goes. In Tasmania i had several cats, a number of whom ended their careers very rapidly on the roads. THey were all kept indoors at night but otherwise outdoor cats - I lived i the country then. I got sick of the road carnage and when I moved into my third house I had a stable with a loose box and yard which I enclosed with mesh so that the cats could be out during the day and inside at night. I also had breeding queens at that time who were indoors all the time. Some of the cats had been outdoor cats before this but adapted very well and in the evenings, they would follow me down the hill from the run, stopping off to say hello to my stud male, and come inside no problems.

In NSW I obtained Bobcat who was 5 years old and had always been an indoor cat. I kept him indoors for three more years until I moved to Brisbane where he started going outside, as he had, by then been joined by Pavarotti, a siamese of some notoriety. Bob's first venture outside was accidental, and I was not aware he had gone out. He woke me at midnight leaping up at the side of the house (these houses are on stilts) and slowly sliding down the side of the wall to land with a thump. After that he, and Pavarotti were let out regularly, still sleeping indoors. While at that house I also aquired Claudius, a half abyssinian. Claude used to get into lots of fights and spent all his time at the vets being patched up or being treated for abscesses. Bob, who by now was 11, injured his leg jumping over a fence and getting caught half way. That year I spent over $5000 in vet fees. I looked around and discovered a company that installed cat runs and had one fitted to the side of the house so they could come and go, but be enclosed. It worked well and they were all happy and adjusted no worries.

I then moved to another house in Brisbane which had three wildlife reserves, and an equal number of major roads around it. The garden had been landscaped with native plants so the place was crawling with wildlife. I installed an amazingly complex series of runs that had tunnels at ground level and aerial tunnels, as well as pens that enclosed whole trees. Access was via an aerial ramp from the bathroom window (about 18 feet up) to a tall cage around the trunk of a paper bark. They had a choice of a series of shelves or climbing down the tree trunk to get to ground level and several other 'rooms'. Once took then through the fence onto the grass where the dog was. So they could have grass (which I grew long as a jungle) bark, or stone surfaces as well as trees to climb and other bits and pieces to play with. Again, they adjusted incredible well, no problems.

Then along came Ralph, who belongs to a friend but who came to stay for a couple of months while she sorted out her life having just left her husband. Ralph was not happy. we moved to New Zealand and as the neighbourhood was a quiet one, they were again allowed out, but inside at night. Ralph hated this. He expressed his hatred by peeing on everything in sight. Walls, doors furniture, bedding, christmas trees, nothing was sacred. After two years of this, he was returned to his owner who allows him free range day and night. He is the perfect kitty... So, I guess it depends on the cat as to whether it will work or not.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2008, 22:49:52 PM »
Well my cats have always been FIV so have been indoor - even before they had the outdoor run none of them ever seemed concerned that they couldn't go out.

If you could see Biscuit now - he's been living out for who knows how long, and now I don't think he would go out for a million quid! He is currently sat on my knee, but is usually glued to the settee and hasn't even looked out of the window since the first day he got here!

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2008, 22:27:37 PM »
Mmmmm well Freddie came in tonight with the devils of hades on his tail. God only knows what spooked him but he is no happy bunny. Catflap now firmly locked and am pretty sure he'll be pawing to get out pretty soon but he's grounded till tomorrow. Wonder if this is related to catflap being broken about 10 days ago? Really VERY spooked tonight  :(. Sorry no help am I?

I have only ever lived with one cat that really could never have been indoor only. All the same our lot are allowed 24/7 access now as we have gardens front and back in a quietish area. They choose to be in most of the time though esp in this cold weather.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2008, 22:25:10 PM »
I have two entirely indoor cats, Bertie and Bella, and one who is allowed out, Minnie.  Bertie was allowed out when he was younger, but only ever went into the garden and would always be back in under 10 minutes.  Once his sister Matilda had been killed in an RTA, I couldn't face letting him out again, so kept him in.  He looks out of the window a lot, but never asks to go out.  Bella has never been outside because when she came to me at 5 months old, she'd always been an indoor cat and I made the decision that I wanted both her and Bertie safe indoors.  She occasionally goes out of the front door when I open it, but always freezes halfway down the path and asks to be brought indoors! 

Minnie was an outdoor, semi-feral cat when I first started feeding her in June.  She's gradually come inside more and more, and now spends less than 2 hours a day outside.  I always let her out when she asks to go as she's seven years old and I don't want to try to stop her doing what she's always been used to.

I think what's interesting about my cats is that Bella is actually scared when she goes outside, which goes against the theory that all indoor cats would like to be allowed out.  And what's interesting about Minnie is that when I started feeding her, people said I would never get her indoors after she'd spent seven years outside, yet within six months she was indoors most of the time, through her own choice - and will now sometimes ask to go out and change her mind if it's raining!

In terms of behavioural differences, I can honestly say I see none, except that Bertie spends a lot more time looking out of the window than Minnie, who isn't vaguely interested in what's happening outdoors when she's inside.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 21:52:49 PM »
All my cats have been allowed out, but have found all bar two have chosen to be in the majority of time. I think I could make Molly an indoor only cat, but Zi asks to go out most days, generally anywhere between 8 and 10pm, but then wehn you open the door, she sometimes ignores it!! Ginger was the kind of cat who would get depressed if kept in, he was kept in for 10 days after an op and it was very hard on him - took 2 days for him to get back into his old routine of only being in for meals and overnight!!
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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2008, 21:52:35 PM »
BC, when you get a chance is fine. :) And Maryas - any questions you feel are especially important are fine to give me a basis.

I guess things like possible health ramifications - dangers that indoor/outdoor cats face that indoor only don't, that kind of thing interests me.





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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2008, 21:33:41 PM »
Do you just want us to make up questions for you or would you like to know something about our cats and then you can compare and make your own questions when you have summarised?

I've had 2 cats all my life, both outdoor - 1st one lived to be 26 and the 2nd one is 13 and went missing Sept. 2007.  I now have a rescue cat and I want to keep her indoors, so far she's been ok (got her 13th Dec 2007).  Let me know if you want anymore info, I'll be happy to help out as much as I possibly can.

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Re: Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2008, 21:24:37 PM »
Several case histories, but not tonight as I am busy - will give you the lowdown tomorrow if that is OK?

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Reasons for having an indoor/outdoor cat and impact on behaviour
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 21:23:18 PM »
I'm doing a study on this and need good questions to produce an essay illustrating the behavioural differences between cats that are kept in, are allowed out and have been allowed out but are not any longer. Ideas, please?




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