Topic: Neutering - How do they ? (Read 5620 times)

Millys Mum · « **Reply #36 on:** August 03, 2007, 16:11:32 PM »

Well its good to know there aren't unqualified vets opening up our pets

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #35 on:** August 03, 2007, 13:35:12 PM »

no not at all sarah, nor would i entertain head vn..if i do return to that line of work i'll be quite happy being a little minion and just getting on with the actual job..the rest brings far too much stress, hassle and politics with it

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #34 on:** August 03, 2007, 13:23:57 PM »

ahhh.

so are you looking to be a practice manager eventually lynn

didn't realise you were a head VN, thats great

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #33 on:** August 03, 2007, 13:21:03 PM »

To be honest the only way a vet practice manager would be doing that is if they were probably a partner/owner of the company. All pay scales are appropriate to the role so a nurse in that job gets a nurses salary with xx extra and the same goes for a vet, if they were a normal employee they'd get vets wages with xx extra i should imagine.

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #32 on:** August 03, 2007, 13:11:59 PM »

Quote from: lynn on August 03, 2007, 12:57:47 PM

However ............. less than a year before i left work a woman was taken on and she was the main office worker who also would do all salaries and book work, she was labelled "practice manager" and in fact should not had that title nor should she had anything to do with the ordering/drugs / rep side of things, she of course thought she was in charge of us all and after 2 wks of being in her role (only other previous animal experience she had was being a pet owner) she sat me down and "explained" to me about this "new anaesthetic " she had got a leaflet on...... This was me who was not only qualified but had worked beside vets in a very hands on role since i was 15 years old , not only that but had been ordering and using this "new" anaesthetic gas in practice for 2 years That was just the shape of things to come with her interference and talk about brown nosing up the bosses backside He of course thought she was utterly wonderful

people like that crack me up

i just imagined a prac manager would usually be a vet. so wage - wise, if a VN was to be practice manager, would he/she earn the same as what a vet as practice manager would??

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #31 on:** August 03, 2007, 12:57:47 PM »

if a vn is going to entertain the role of practice manager i think providing they are very experienced they can do a great job, however this means that really their hands on vn role would/should probably take a background seat. Practice managers obviously have the smooth running of the surgery as their main role.

Head vn's are normally responsible and in charge of the rest of the vn staff and over seeing trainee's etc, also the head vn in many places are the ones who do most if not all the ordering for the practice and see reps etc (i was head vn) I think a vn as a practice manager could combine those roles.

However ............. less than a year before i left work a woman was taken on and she was the main office worker who also would do all salaries and book work, she was labelled "practice manager" and in fact should not had that title nor should she had anything to do with the ordering/drugs / rep side of things, she of course thought she was in charge of us all and after 2 wks of being in her role (only other previous animal experience she had was being a pet owner) she sat me down and "explained" to me about this "new anaesthetic " she had got a leaflet on...... This was me who was not only qualified but had worked beside vets in a very hands on role since i was 15 years old , not only that but had been ordering and using this "new" anaesthetic gas in practice for 2 years

That was just the shape of things to come with her interference and talk about brown nosing up the bosses backside

He of course thought she was utterly wonderful

I'm sure in the much bigger practices / hospitals its far more efficient with dedicated office staff/animal staff.

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #30 on:** August 03, 2007, 08:27:48 AM »

Lynn didn't realise that VN's could be practice managers..

Mines is anyways, is that usual?

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2007, 00:06:14 AM »

Quote from: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 01, 2007, 21:01:34 PM

michelle click on the picture of the op you want to watch

That is brilliant.

I would love to be a vet

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #28 on:** August 02, 2007, 23:57:17 PM »

nope i think vets must do most of their practice in uni to be honest and of course like driving a car, you learn most after you pass your test so i never really liked working with new grads but we all have to start ...even human docs

but its entirely different with docs, vets as they cant gain employment in the first place without their qualifications, i think that should be the same for vn's and there should be a structured level of staff ie vets, nurses and then also technichians who can do all that crap stuff and cleaning

This could easily be managed by in practice training, so apart from trainee nurses who have to have a dedicated mentor at an approved training practice "lay staff" shouldnt get their hands on animals other than to pet them.

Not that long before i started at my old place it was still in the dark ages..the receptionist (been there for 25 years) gave all dogs the same shot of acp when they came in through the door...same needle and syringe and it was left sticking in the bottle

after i started i nearly decked a part time afternoon receptionist as she stood and argued point blank it was merely my job to bring the animal to its owner but her job to explain what had been done and dispense meds

she didnt even know the details of what went on in a spay for f'k sake

I soon sorted her out

Millys Mum · « **Reply #27 on:** August 02, 2007, 17:15:16 PM »

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plain and simple mm...they SHOULDNT do any of the work only permitted with a vn qualification and those practices who do make me furious. if they are that competant then they shouldnt have any problems sailing through their many exams

Interesting, i did wonder at the time but couldnt really start questioning due to the circumstances. Doesnt make you have much faith in the system, tell me that "vets" cant do the same thing? That would be scary!

VN's certainly do more than i thought, they seem the backbone of a good practice

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #26 on:** August 01, 2007, 21:01:34 PM »

michelle click on the picture of the op you want to watch

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #25 on:** August 01, 2007, 20:58:59 PM »

I cant see any videos on there !
What should i click ?

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #24 on:** August 01, 2007, 18:41:48 PM »

plain and simple mm...they SHOULDNT do any of the work only permitted with a vn qualification and those practices who do make me furious. if they are that competant then they shouldnt have any problems sailing through their many exams

Its has become so strict for qualifieds its a joke and a cause of great disharmony in vn's, in some instances orrible untrained farmers are being given more legal rights and permitting to do more than us who have studied.

There are now diplomas we can do which is great, you have to be qualified for 2 years before you're allowed to start studying for that, i was about to when i fell preg with connor and that put paid to that, i'll never do it now. MInd you even with that it didnt alter the surgical authorisation.

in many ways we are more qualified and definately do a heck of a lot more than the general qualified human nurse ( ie they have to specialise indiviually to do x-rays but that was a daily part of my job) but have always got less recognition (partly because of "lay staff" acting in the role) and the role is being even more demoralised..its not good and certainly not reasons to encourage others to get into it nor further themselves thats...its a crying shame coz good vn's are or atleast can be invaluable

Millys Mum · « **Reply #23 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:20:58 PM »

http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/Spayandneuter.htm#Should%20have%20had%20her%20spayed%20!

Lynn, how comes you can have VN's working who are not qualified? Yet do stuff the same as those who have studied

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:13:13 PM »

Quote from: Mark on August 01, 2007, 17:10:33 PM

Only yesterday, my cleaner was saying her grandad used to turn kittens upside down in a wellington boot and do them witha razor blade

blackcat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:12:19 PM »

ah those were the days - don't make kittens like that any more

Not something i would recommend trying

Mark · « **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:10:33 PM »

Only yesterday, my cleaner was saying her grandad used to turn kittens upside down in a wellington boot and do them witha razor blade

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:03:32 PM »

See in the video Lynn, they were saying about plucking hair away, where from exactly?

Charlies actual scrotum was covered in white hair..

Team Svartalfheims · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2007, 17:01:02 PM »

Quote from: lynn on August 01, 2007, 16:08:07 PM

Seb has massive balls when i did him

Poor Seb will be mortified if he finds out you've told the world about his marbles!

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:42:01 PM »

not too many rabbits sarah but from time to time, hated that coz trying to remove rabbit fur aswell-- their skin is like paper and can rip just by plucking

Dogs are alot more surgical, they have to have proper ligatures etc

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 01, 2007, 16:36:02 PM

i didnt watch the dog one.. should i

are they videos? I thought they were just pics, no way I could watch the videos or I'd pass out in my chair

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:36:02 PM »

i didnt watch the dog one.. should i

was there a lot of rabbit castrates?

and you crossed the line with the smell bit lynn

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:33:58 PM »

rabbit castrates are the most minging, oooohh they've got the most revolting testicles in the world

and white stuff always oozed out after they had been taken away

(and it stank

)..they are done more like dog method though and defo not a nurse only a vet to do that.

sorry thats me sidetracked

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:31:25 PM »

your right lynn, minimal blood, it's just when you see the

pop out

looks like a wee bubble

can tell helen will watch the link now

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:29:59 PM »

Yikes

The feline castration pic may not be that gory but some of the others pics on there were pretty high up on the gore-ometer, good job I'm sitting down!

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:22:39 PM »

its not gory and you will see there is very little infact practically no blood loss when castrating cats.

yes sarah i did LOL, amongst many many others (classed as the dullest job of the day but i quite enjoyed them)

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:14:01 PM »

I've always wondered the same thing so thanks for asking Sheryl

I daren't look at the link (which must win the award for the longest link in the world - ever!). I did my work experience at a vets and fainted twice in the operating theatre

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:11:19 PM »

Quote from: lynn on August 01, 2007, 16:08:07 PM

I liked castrating and wish there was more under schedule 3 act nurses could do, some of us were more than competant.

Thats awful that VN's can't do it now

Did you really do Sebastians

sheryl · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:09:27 PM »

OMG it looks awful

Definately wont show OH - if he sees that he will probably let Raffiki keep his tackle out of sympathy

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:08:07 PM »

says you the student nurse

I liked castrating and wish there was more under schedule 3 act nurses could do, some of us were more than competant. MInd you legally/technically qualified vn's arent even allowed to do that now "not allowed to incise into the body cavity" and they refined feline castrate as just that where as before it wasnt.

Seb has massive balls when i did him

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2007, 16:03:32 PM »

Just watched that Lynn

My poor wee boy

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2007, 15:47:14 PM »

oh and the reason there are no stitches inside is because they tie and not stitch, on the outside its common for a wee bit of swelling, bruising so if they stitched that up the scrotum would balloon and cause further discomfort and problems, it heals in a couple of days.

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2007, 15:46:04 PM »

Had just written a bit to explain when i have found this, i think you should watch..click on the feline castration bit, thats a "closed castration" which only 1 vet i've worked with did it that way, most vets ive worked with do the open technique which is basically the same but with a difference that doesnt make any alterations to the outcome or insicion.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cvm.msu.edu/courses/VM557/Surgery/Feline%2520Castration%2520-%2520Screen%2520Shot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cvm.msu.edu/courses/VM557/Surgery/&h=240&w=320&sz=43&hl=en&start=0&sig2=bJMV4GV_YYI0rJP9fEdQqA&um=1&tbnid=lk7HyLB0-Bka6M:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&ei=AZuwRvSJDIOgwAHGh4zmDg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhow%2Bto%2Bfeline%2Bcastration%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

When i castrated i used the open method as i never got the hang of closed, i however have witnessed some real old fashioned type who just twisted and pulled

I dont think thats a safe method as there was nothing to stop a bleeder other than hoping you had twisted and damaged the vessels enough, thankfully most of that old farmer type vets are retired now

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2007, 15:34:59 PM »

and i think the reason they are no stitches is because the whole they make in the Testicles to do this is so small it doesnt need stitching

Sarah (seldom_use) · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2007, 15:26:19 PM »

they tie the tendons together inside as far as i know..

sheryl · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2007, 15:05:06 PM »

Raffiki will be getting "done" when he is 5 months old, what I want to know is how do they neuter them without needing any stitches

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