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Title: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 05, 2007, 10:05:04 AM
Earlier in the week I had a call from a woman to say she had found 4 kittens under a bush,I told her they would have a mother cat around and to keep an eye out until I arrived with a trap approx 1 hours drive away. Her response was to tell me the kittens did NOT have a mother they had been dumped in a bag under the bushes. I mistrusted this woman suspecting her own cat was mother. I arrived at the place to find the 4 kittens in womans living room with faeces and urine over them,they certainly looked like they had not had an attention for a while. I asked to see the womans cat which turned out to be a kitten definately not mother to these.She had been trying to feed Whiskas milk unsuccessfully. With no sign of any possible mother I took the kittens home as they urgently needed fluids and cleaning up.
On Friday afternoon I had a phone call from a man accusing me of stealing kittens, turns out there was a feral mum in the next street that he was feeding and her kittens had been stolen. We rushed back with a trap but mother cat wouldnt go in far enough,even tried to tempt her by showing her her hungry kittens; once she saw the kittens she ran off;we had gone beyond the point of re introducing, I suspect the woman had taken the kittens quite some time before she phoned me.
Mum will be trapped in a week and spayed and the kittens are being handreared,all so needless I would have preferred to take the mother and allow her the pleasure of her babies.

Modifyed to add the kittens were only 3 days old.
Babies are doing ok, but I so hope the lying woman gets her just desserts
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Angiew on August 05, 2007, 10:38:55 AM
At least the kittens are now safe. We've just created a 'hand over' form , so that people have to sign as being the legal owner of the cat or that the cat is a stray. Do you use anything like that? Its so new I haven't used it yet (forgot yesterday when we went to pick up a cat).

I have a bad feeling about this group of cats I offered to take in including a mum ans some 4 week old kittens. I emailed to say that I could only take them in up to midday sat and received a reply to 'yes please take them in I can't aford to keep them' at 1pm. I replied asking for a phone number and address and have not yet heard anything back.
I half suspect she is trying to sell the kittens - in fact there was an ad in yesterdays paper - maybe I will phone later.
I have no reason to suspect this is not on the level but have so many alarm bells ringing and I don't know why!
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 05, 2007, 10:41:43 AM
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;we had gone beyond the point of re introducing, I suspect


Hope you don't mind me asking but why would that be?  We have loads of similar cases both feral and 'normal' especially at this time of year, some have been almost a week before mum has been trapped and in one case much longer, however I cannot remember a single case where the reintroduction has not worked out. Although sometimes we have needed to top up the milk supply at least mum is washing and keeping the little ones warm and teaching them lifes skills.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 05, 2007, 10:43:07 AM
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have no reason to suspect this is not on the level but have so many alarm bells ringing and I don't know why!

It is that good old rescue gut feeling. ;D

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We've just created a 'hand over' form , so that people have to sign as being the legal owner of the cat or that the cat is a stray.

With Cats Protection every cat has to be legally signed in and then on the form there are spaces to write all treatments given and dates. Also in this way you have a full record for when the little one is re-homed on or indeed if sadly it had to come back into care at any time.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 05, 2007, 12:04:01 PM
Ela if I could have reunited mum and babies it would have been done and believe me we tried very hard even getting babies to cry out,if that cat is the mother she is not interested,the kittens were in poor condition,dehydratied with diarrhoea and unwashed at the end of the day I had to make a decision; at least I tried certain other groups were asked to help while cat was pregnant and declined.
Signing over forms - yes I have them, everything here is done properly paperwork, bank account, proper isolation facilities ; however its rare for me to visit a home to pick up unwanted cats; I take mainly the desperate cases that others have already refused genuine strays and ferals.
Its a pity all CP branches dont work to your high standards because I have had to deal with several ferals lately that CP have been and taken the kittens and left the mothers to get pregnant again. In fact that reminds me I still have one to trap where CP only took kittens a couple of weeks back.
We can all but do our best and if anyone can do it better then Please get out there in the field and do it.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: CurlyCatz on August 05, 2007, 12:22:29 PM
Possibly if mum had been able to be trapped then it mght have been abit more hopeful. however as she was too shrewd for that to happen immediately you couldnt have left such young babies when they'd already been away from mum for a couple of days..Unfortunately her milk supply would more than likely have been very poor as it hadnt been given the chance of coming in properly if that woman took the kittens away before proper milk was coming in (lets hope they actually managed to get some colostrum) 
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 05, 2007, 13:21:51 PM
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I have had to deal with several ferals lately that CP have been and taken the kittens and left the mothers to get pregnant again

That is a disgrace they should be ashamed of themselves. I will contact CP HQ and ask them to put something in the next Cat News about this.

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Please get out there in the field and do it.

That is the problem there are too many people thinking about helping but not enough doing any more than thinking. In other words gunners but never taking aim and firing

I think in this case however, the woman who phoned you added to the problem and also if she did remove them from mum or where mum had left them she put their lives ar risk. What she should have done is report a mum with kittens living outside and then leave the rescue to decide the best course of action.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 05, 2007, 13:41:38 PM
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I have had to deal with several ferals lately that CP have been and taken the kittens and left the mothers to get pregnant again

Message I have sent to CP HQ:-

I go onto a cat forum that has almost 800 members, some are CP volunteers and also many other rescues are represented. Occasionally there is something about CP that is not too complementary or simply untrue and I try to put CP stance on things and the reasoning behind it. However, I find myself being unable to defend where it is said the CP  have removed kittens from feral mums (on more than one occasion and maybe different branches) but left mum and not bothered to go and trap her  to have her spayed.  This in my opinion is indefensible. I wonder of something could be put in the next Branch Circular stating that it is imperative the mums of any kittens taken must be trapped and spayed. Even if it means mum is returned to site after recovery. I must say we in Chesterfield would go on to trap every cat in the colony and no we don't have a lot of volunteers, but the sense to know that the cat population will never decrease if we do not neuter and spay all the ferals and strays and pets cats come to that. We know that cats will never die out as there are to many irresponsible people for that. However, by leaving ferals that we know about we are also being irresponsible.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Angiew on August 05, 2007, 16:29:49 PM
Thats a truth!
thanks to Cheesecat Dawn , our website is going to be done!
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 05, 2007, 16:43:43 PM
I had this a while ago with the CP leaving a feral mum  >:(  >:(  I had a phone call from a company and they'd found some kittens in one of the containers after the weekend and no mum and she had no access in.  The guy had already handled them when he phoned me, I asked him to put them outside in a box and hopefully their crying would bring mum back.  She hadn't had access to them since the Friday night, this was now Monday.........it was a nice day, and sure enough within minutes mum had appeared, took one of the kittens out and placed it under a portacabin.  I was on my up there but the guy had phoned CP prior and they'd told him they weren't sure when they could go out.  When I got there, CP had arrived and surprise surprise, they had now taken all the kittens including the one mum had rescued  >:(  >:(  Rather than giving her time to collect all her babies and get them safe, they couldn't be :censored: basically.  Mum typically scarpered which was to be expected when they grabbed a baby from next to her.  I was so angry I did phone up and give them a  :censored:  Their excuse was that there was nowhere safe for mum to retreat to with babies, which was a load of old cobblers.  The place was full of portacabins and if they'd have been patient, mum would have come out with the temptation of food and they could then have got the babies and mum and they could all be reunited.  This always upsets me when I hear of this happening, I have heard mums calling for their little ones when I've been trapping, and the sound is pitiful  :'(  

T, if possible, I would still try to attempt to get mum if the guy is happy with this.......I may be able to get someone in that area that could give it a go, xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 05, 2007, 17:07:00 PM
Sorry this thread was not meant to start a row.
Truth is I am so worried and tired I took exeption to one of the replies and got annoyed which I shouldn`t have done.
For this I am sorry.
For the sake of the cats lets keep this friendly.
I am now off to vets for emergency and feel bad enough about all thats gone on.
I may not seem it but I am human like everyone else and right now I`m cracking under the strain
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 05, 2007, 17:44:45 PM
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I am now off to vets for emergency


 Hope the cat you have taken to the vets is OK.

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and feel bad enough about all thats gone on.


Don't feel bad hopefully  some good will come out of it, and lessond learned. I find the problem often is the CP send advice on how do do things correctly to the Co-ordinaters but unfortunately some Co-ordinators do not pass on that information. (Although a lot of it is common sense and they should know anyway). I have noticed during the time I have been on here comments made by fosters and I know CP do not work that way and that the branch  Co-ordinator has obviously not ensured all volunteers know CP policy and any new advice.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 05, 2007, 18:56:52 PM
Sorry this thread was not meant to start a row....
I am now off to vets for emergency and feel bad enough about all thats gone on.
I may not seem it but I am human like everyone else and right now I`m cracking under the strain

Teresa, dont be daft, hun,  :hug: :hug: :hug: there is no row here that I can see.

I think we see these spectres when we are tired.  As the late, great Dave Allen would have said "May your God go with you" (you know why I choose to put it like that  :hug:)

xChristine
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Tan on August 05, 2007, 22:08:33 PM
T def no row seen here hun and thats' what this forum is here for, for you wonderful angels in rescue to let off steam when you need to and for us lot to support you as much as we can by fundraising and listening and anything we can do to help.  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

Mags will split this thread as ya requested hun so you have a sep one re the fundraising ideas. Have the new spilt thread renamed it as fundraising ideas. If ya want that changed, pm me hun.  :Luv:
I think it's brill you are trying to help rescues more and more fool them in your area if they won't take that help.

I would def be very interested in any fundraising ideas as we are planning regular small ones like the cat show a year (hopefully 4 in a year) together with the annual Purrs printed project, Purrs xmas auction and shop and grateful for any ideas for the small fund raisers we can do on Purrs say with a £1 an entry.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 05, 2007, 22:10:54 PM
Sorry this thread was not meant to start a row.
Truth is I am so worried and tired I took exeption to one of the replies and got annoyed which I shouldn`t have done.
For this I am sorry.
For the sake of the cats lets keep this friendly.
I am now off to vets for emergency and feel bad enough about all thats gone on.
I may not seem it but I am human like everyone else and right now I`m cracking under the strain

There are no rows T, we've had a lot on our plate lately and I know I was a little bit tetchy in Manchester the other night so if you're apologising, so am I  :hug:  Try and keep your chin up, chill out and count to 10......if you need a chat, you know where I am  :blow kiss:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: ccmacey on August 05, 2007, 22:17:40 PM
Maybe mum cat give birth in this womans house then left to go to get fed at the other house?
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 05, 2007, 22:23:36 PM
Guess I had a bit too much steam .
One of the babies little Angelica is not thriving like the other 3 and is very difficult to feed,vet thinks her kidneys may be failing due to being dehydrated when I got her. I have been warned I`ll probably lose her and I just dont cope with failure.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 05, 2007, 22:27:47 PM
Sadly none of these have had the best start in life but they've got a fighting chance now they are in safe hands.   One of the little one's I took didn't make it, probably the same thing as they'd gone a day with virtually nothing, one of the others is iffy as well so again, it's god will and a case of wait and see.  The 2 the lady took have also died but they died early yesterday.......so very sad as they hadn't even started their lives and already, it's been snatched away.  I'll be thinking of Angelica who is absolutely gorgeous I might add, and fingers crossed she'll make it, xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: MBll on August 05, 2007, 22:29:03 PM
awww OMG shes absolutely gorgeous & hope they all survive
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: JackSpratt on August 05, 2007, 22:31:10 PM
... I just dont cope with failure.

And that's one word I would so not associate with you....failure.  :) Teresa, unfortunately you can't save everything and sometimes things just happen. Don't get me wrong, if I were rearing kittens and one of them didn't make it I'd be the same. But then my rational, level headed partner would tell me I'd tried my best and that's all anyone can do! (Hmm....what WOULD I do without the voice of reason!)

 :hug: Sending you AND Dawn a hug because you've both worked your socks off these last few days and I would imagine it's taking its toll.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 05, 2007, 22:47:02 PM
Not got individual pics of boys yet but heres the other girl, we have 2 girls and 2 boys.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 06, 2007, 01:28:52 AM
What scrummy little babes  :Luv:  Mine all look like little scragends and are all black so a bit difficult to tell apart as yet  :tired:  One is very small compared to the others but hopefully he'll catch up over the next few days.  Sending positive vibes for Angelica, xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 06, 2007, 07:36:55 AM
Aww, fingers crossed for Angelica, and I agree with JS, failure isn't something we associate you, you can't always fight nature, but at least you give them a chance, that isn't failure.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 06, 2007, 07:53:30 AM
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I`ll probably lose her and I just dont cope with failure.

That would not be considered failure, it would be considered giving the little one a chance and in-spite of the vets and your best efforts if the little once does not make it, that is not your fault. At least the little one would have lost its life in a nice warm, comfy environment and loved.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on August 06, 2007, 08:49:41 AM
They are adorable.

It won't be failure on your part, sometimes you can only do so much.

Paws crossed that they make it.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 06, 2007, 10:25:59 AM
Been back to vet with Angelica this morning,Andy is concerned about the kidneys but says to test on a baby so tiny can be very traumatic,so we are not going to do that just yet. He watched me trying to feed her and says that sometimes there is like a small band within the oesophagus which restricts the passage of food if this is the case they die at weaning time. He gave me the choice of PTS or fight on and wait and see,as neither is a definate diagnosis and she is not suffering we fight on and pray .Touch wood her brothers and sister are thriving thus far.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 06, 2007, 10:48:20 AM
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neither is a definate diagnosis and she is not suffering we fight on and pray


As she is not suffering I think you have made the right choice, then should the worst happen you will know that you did everything possible. Had you decided to let her go without a fight there many have always   been the thought in your mind, could have, would have,  should have.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: CurlyCatz on August 06, 2007, 11:06:06 AM
I totally echo what ela said 2 posts down !!

 :hug:

Keeping my fingers crossed for that little girl.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 06, 2007, 11:07:50 AM
I never give up without a fight :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 06, 2007, 12:47:12 PM
Angelica is gorgeous T and you are doing a wonderful job :hug:

I hope the little one pulls through.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 06, 2007, 13:06:24 PM
Just fed them and managed to get 3ml into her,her siblings take 7-8 ml. I can feel a tiny pea shaped lump am sure it is her kidney and its enlarged. Vet visiting me tomorrow to do mass 2nd half vaccinations and check  all the cats so will find out then. Thinking positive that she will still be here.
I want my little one to open her eyes for the first time and see what a wonderful world shes got to stay around for.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 06, 2007, 13:31:31 PM
Thinking of you and Angelica  both...
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on August 06, 2007, 14:30:14 PM
I want my little one to open her eyes for the first time and see what a wonderful world shes got to stay around for.

 :'( Ah that made me cry T

If anyone can save her its you, give her a kiss from me xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 06, 2007, 14:36:16 PM
Thinking lots of positive thoughts T. xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ellie on August 06, 2007, 14:44:33 PM
Just caught up with this thread and everyone here sends lots of love and positive thoughts to both Angelica and you  :hug: :hug: xxxxxx

Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 06, 2007, 15:11:43 PM
Lots of positive vibes being sent your way x
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: carl (billy and baggys dad) on August 06, 2007, 15:16:01 PM
I want my little one to open her eyes for the first time and see what a wonderful world shes got to stay around for.
If anyone can save her its you, give her a kiss from me xxx

I agree. We're rooting for you both here Teresa  :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 06, 2007, 15:49:39 PM
Just spent over an hour getting 3ml into her and a tiny little poop out. I love this girl too much
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on August 06, 2007, 16:27:05 PM
Hi T, just caught up with this thread.  Sorry not been around much lately but am praying that everything works out for this little girl.  Take care xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 06, 2007, 18:30:25 PM
Yet another 3ml in, better than nothing I suppose.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 07, 2007, 00:51:24 AM
Fingers crossed  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 07, 2007, 07:55:06 AM
Fingers crossed for her, I know you will give her every chance, and for that, she is a very lucky kitten, not everyone would go to the lengths you do.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 07, 2007, 08:26:23 AM
how did the little ones feed through the night teresa?

hope they're both ok :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 07, 2007, 10:26:20 AM
Little Angelica is a tiny bit brighter this morning,she has readily taken 5ml and is more active.
Minibuster her brother had some form of stroke/seizure last night, I sat through the night nursing him and praying,sadly I had no option but to euthanase this beautiful boy early this morning .
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on August 07, 2007, 10:28:09 AM
Very glad to see that Little Angelica seems a bit brighter.

Poor little Minibuster, play hard at the bridge.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 07, 2007, 10:28:28 AM
Oh Teresa, sorry hun  :hug:  RIP Minibuster.

Good news that Angelica is a bit brighter this morning, come on little one, keep going  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 07, 2007, 10:44:16 AM
RIP Minibuster. Poor baby.
I don't know how you do it T.

Hugs and postiive thoughts for all the little ones xx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 07, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
I'm so sorry T, you really done your best with mini-buster, poor little angel is safe and sound now :hug:

Good news about Angelica xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 07, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
I am so sorry about Minibuster
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: JackSpratt on August 07, 2007, 11:30:30 AM
Awww, Teresa. I'm so sorry. :(

RIP, MiniBuster. :RIP:

Glad Anjelica is looking a bit brighter.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Tan on August 07, 2007, 11:45:46 AM
Oh T bigs hugs to you hun for little Minibuster. Play hard on the bridge little fella, Rio, Ochi, Ben, Arn, Pudd and Bobo will be with ya sweetheart.  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

T we are all with ya hun and all praying with ya

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:



Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 07, 2007, 11:55:42 AM
 :Sad Bye: :blow kiss:

Rest well, little Minibuster. xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 07, 2007, 12:08:08 PM
I am so sorry to hear about Minibuster.

I am thinking of little Angelica.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 07, 2007, 18:09:54 PM
Angelica has readily taken 5ml at each feed today but after speaking to the vet today who now thinks it may be something passed on via their mum  causing kitten fading syndrome,I think I will be treading on eggshells for quite sometime.
I have my positive head on and am not giving up.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: ClaireR on August 07, 2007, 21:26:45 PM
Been thinking of you today.  I know how hard things must be and how hard you tried with Mini-Buster.  You gave him the best chance possible and could have done no more, but I know that doesn't stop it hurting.

Praying for the other babies and that they grow stronger.  Keep drinking little ones.

Claire xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on August 07, 2007, 22:55:47 PM
Thinking of you and all the little ones T xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 08, 2007, 07:50:56 AM
RIP little one, fingers crossed for the rest of them.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 08, 2007, 08:34:25 AM
Angelica has readily accepted her feeds throughout the night and looks bright as do her siblings Eugenie and Pushkin. :)
Those little eyes should open tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 08, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
Keeping everything crossed  :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on August 08, 2007, 14:42:48 PM
Oh no ........R.I.P ^minibuster, so sorry T

Come on Angelica you can do this - as Mummy T said you have soooo much to live for xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 08, 2007, 18:06:32 PM
How's little one doing tonight T?   :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 08, 2007, 19:48:02 PM
Ruth
Angelica is bright and taking food readily,however she stops at 5ml which isnt really enough so I am now feeding them 2 hourly day and night,shattered so going for a lie down as Rob has ordered it and says he will wake me
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 08, 2007, 22:00:15 PM
hope you get a long rest teresa :hug: god knows you deserve it.

keeping my fingers crossed for angelica, keep drinking little one, and when you see her little eyes open it'll all be worth it :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 08, 2007, 22:24:45 PM
 :hug: to our Angelica. xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 09, 2007, 07:45:50 AM
Will be thinking of her, and hope you can get her to take more.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 09, 2007, 10:18:27 AM
Hello everyone Angelica here,just want to send you a little wave and thank you all for your support. My eyes have opened today and I have managed 6ml  for 3 feeds running so I am going back to 3hourly feeding
Hope you like my picture and the ones of my sister Eugenie and brother Pushkin. :Luv: Angelica
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on August 09, 2007, 10:20:56 AM
Hi Angelica, you’re adorable and now that you’ve seen the world you’ve got even more reason to keep eating more and more ;)

Well done T for taking care of these cuties!

Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 09, 2007, 10:21:24 AM
 :Luv:  FAbulous. Just fabulous news!
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 09, 2007, 10:22:21 AM
Awwww, hi Angelica  :hi:.  Good girl for eating more, and wow, you've got your eyes open too  :Luv:

You and your brother and sister are gorgeous  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: ems on August 09, 2007, 10:25:25 AM
Oh Teresa!

She is simply gorgeous  :Luv:  :Luv:

And Pushkin is such a cutie, I daresn't tell Jon you have more little boys he'll be in on his way to bring one home  :car:

ems
xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 09, 2007, 10:43:44 AM
Awww :Luv:

That brought a wee tear to my eye :)

So happy her little eyes are open and that she's feeding more, clever girly :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 10, 2007, 08:47:40 AM
Am really pleased with the progress Angelica is making;she just managed a massive 8ml could be due to the fact she only took 5ml at 5am and also that we managed to pass 2 tiny peanut sized poops. She is such a clever little one. Her sister Eugenie is now taking 10ml and brother Pushkin 12ml but they are twice her weight so she has a lot of catching up to do.  :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 10, 2007, 08:53:32 AM
I have just seen the pictures  :Luv:

So glad Angelica is making progress, and happy to hear about Eugenie and Pushkin too.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 10, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
T I think I'm going to have to come visit again soon. THese babies just make me melt.  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 10, 2007, 10:54:24 AM
That's great news about Angelica! I'm so pleased for her :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Cheesecat on August 10, 2007, 16:29:01 PM
Awwww  :hi: to Angelica... just saw these pics for the first time...

They are gorgeous Teresa... well done to you   :Luv:

If Ruth is coming to visit, I might just have to invite myself along too  ;)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 10, 2007, 16:37:13 PM
I think I have to Dawn, its the greatest stress reliever in the world.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 10, 2007, 16:41:40 PM
I will expect you all at 5am ready for mucking out then  :evillaugh:
Seriously anyone welcome to visit at any respectable time,just check I`m going to be in and not at my second home(vets). To be honest kitten cuddler visitors much appreciated at present.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 10, 2007, 17:03:07 PM
T if I can muck out Lexy's tray I can do Paws Inn  :evillaugh: 

Maybe next weekend  ;)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 11, 2007, 22:29:42 PM
Another good day for Angelica,Eugenie and Pushkin.
Aunty Claire came today and said they have grown so that cheered me; Claire has been quite disgusted at what I call Poo divining  :rofl: (for anyone who has never handreared one has to stimulate kittens to express contents of bowel and bladder) Little Angelica produced 3 tiny peanut sized lumps which I was displaying with pride; I`m not really obsessed with poop but those little lumps told me volumes about the improvement in our little girl.
Heres todays pics
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: blackcat on August 12, 2007, 10:48:10 AM
they are so cute - i hand raised a puppy once and had a small pouch I could wear under my blouse to take the puppy to work with me. Fortunately I worked in a hospital at the time so had endless supplies of incontinence pads to line the pouch. The puppy's movements under my blouse took some explaining to some of our more elderly patients, but he thrived. I well remember the joys of tummy/bottom massages for that elusive poo. especially fun at three in the morning I find.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 12, 2007, 13:18:09 PM
Something from the garden must have irritated my eyes...

 ;D
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 12, 2007, 13:26:47 PM
I would not be surprised if Angelica had already found a loving home. It is so hard not to indulge ones self occasionally.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 12, 2007, 16:04:12 PM
Aww, what wonderful pics, fingers crossed they continue to thrive.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 12, 2007, 16:58:34 PM
Something from the garden must have irritated my eyes...

 ;D
   Angelica recommends Morrisons own baby wipes they have soothing camomile in them   :rofl:

I would not be surprised if Angelica had already found a loving home. It is so hard not to indulge ones self occasionally.
I love her too much to keep her  :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 12, 2007, 16:59:53 PM
I too am dewey....  :shy:

Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 12, 2007, 17:04:21 PM
I too am dewey....  :shy:



I am very proud meowmy,Angelica produced 4 of the finest peanut sized poops; so wonderful  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 12, 2007, 17:25:25 PM
aww fantastic pictures :Luv:

they are absolutely gorgeous and am glad to hear that they're doing so well :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on August 12, 2007, 19:09:29 PM
Just beautiful T  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 12, 2007, 20:32:37 PM
I remember when I has a kitten with problems similar to Angelica. After she did her first poo I was so proud. I wrapped it up and saved it to show my husband when he came in.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 12, 2007, 20:40:07 PM
I remember when I has a kitten with problems similar to Angelica. After she did her first poo I was so proud. I wrapped it up and saved it to show my husband when he came in.

Now I have eye irritation
Its a wonderful feeling, poop can give you such a ray of sunshine  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 12, 2007, 21:59:07 PM
So pleased they are continuing to do so well  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 13, 2007, 00:04:34 AM
They are so cute  ;D
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 14, 2007, 08:19:11 AM
This gorgeous trio continue to make good progress, Angelica is taking almost as much food as her sister Eugenie,whereas Pushkin devours enough to feed an army. They have little roll on their back playtimes now and at 15 days are beginning to resemble kittens. Hopefully its a big light I see at the end of a very long tunnel
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 14, 2007, 08:21:47 AM
Lovely to hear such a positive update T, hope it continues.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 15, 2007, 08:38:37 AM
Went to bed at midnight, kittens feed was due at 2.30 am, woke at 1.30 kittens still sleeping so decided to have an extra half hour. I am a terrible bad meowmy I slept till 4.45 am ,but then so did the kittens; think maybe I can ease off a little on the night feeds if they continue to make such progress.
Eugenie and Pushkin are little tubbies, Angelica is feeding well  :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 15, 2007, 10:52:17 AM
thats great news teresa, so happy they are all growing well :Luv:

Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: blackcat on August 15, 2007, 20:42:55 PM
If eugenie is the one in the middle, that girl's got attitude ...
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 15, 2007, 20:47:54 PM
Angelica is mainly white one
Pushkin is black and white boy
Eugenie is black female
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: blackcat on August 15, 2007, 20:54:18 PM
then pushkin is being pushy - don't you poke that camera at me young lady!!! lol

Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ellie on August 15, 2007, 20:58:53 PM
Awww T they are all gorgeous  :Luv: :Luv:

I would love them all  :sneaky: just have to win the lottery  :evillaugh:

Sending them lots of love and gentle cuddles xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 17, 2007, 10:31:36 AM
Good progress being made,off to vets shortly for a follow up check. Pics taken this morning.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 17, 2007, 20:05:57 PM
Oh my word!  What beautiful little mites they are.

 :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 17, 2007, 20:26:42 PM
so glad everything is improving teresa :)

how did they get on at the vets?
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 17, 2007, 20:44:08 PM
Andy (vet) was delighted with the progress made but has warned they are not out of the woods yet.

They will be 3 weeks old next Monday and I am going to introduce them to solids a little early with vets blessing. Also talked to Andy about getting a flu/ent vaccination done at 5 weeks to afford them some protection and give their immune system a kick start,he has agreed to do it for me. I must be thinking very positively to be planning so far ahead.  :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ellie on August 17, 2007, 21:01:04 PM
 :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

So pleased they are all doing so well  :)

I have such a soft spot for Pushkin  :Luv: :Luv:

Sending them lots of love and cuddles xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 17, 2007, 21:08:38 PM
They are little cuties, and fingers crossed for them.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 17, 2007, 21:33:03 PM
So pleased that they're all doing so well  :Luv: ;D
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Tan on August 17, 2007, 22:20:20 PM
Oh T i am in love  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

They are so adorable and stunning little beauties. Me want me want.

Soooooooooooooo pleased they are doing sooooo well but i knew they would with one of our angels looking after them  ;) :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 20, 2007, 10:45:21 AM
Eugenie has led me a right song and dance over the weekend;I have worried myself sick that she was ill; not at all she is a fussy madam,my teats arent good enough,the temperature is a fraction of a degree too cool, I offered to feed her second instead of first not to mention I was too slow finding her mouth, I really need the patience of a saint. However she is my little purr pot.
Angelica is eating well and is going to be a proper little madam when she grows up already she is the "she who must be obeyed type" she`s mummy angel.
Pushkin is my rock,he`s a greedy little gannet and never complains (except at poo times).
Weighed them this morning
Angelica =286 grams
Eugenie =331 grams
Pushkin = 362 grams
They are 3 weeks old today.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 20, 2007, 20:04:47 PM
 :coolpics: they are doing well aint they, well done, who looks after poor you  :grouphug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 20, 2007, 21:00:26 PM
Angelica is treading on very thin ground, I tried every teat I had would she feed no.Got a tiny dish and my trusty apostle spoon intending to gently spoon feed her- What did the madam do- Lapped the lot up  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 20, 2007, 21:04:53 PM
Clearly Angelica is of royal blood T...  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 21, 2007, 07:42:42 AM
Bless her.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Ela on August 21, 2007, 08:08:43 AM
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apostle spoon

I have not seen any of those for years. When I was a child every family had a set of apostle spoons, along with a set of fish knives and forks of course.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 21, 2007, 08:47:55 AM
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apostle spoon

I have not seen any of those for years. When I was a child every family had a set of apostle spoons, along with a set of fish knives and forks of course.

I have 2 apostle spoons which I`ve kept all these years, I use them for my bottlefeds because strangely they make me feel I am getting help from God.
Ela those were the days apostle spoons and fish knives and forks to display but I was from a family too poor to afford the fish.Must admit if I went back in time I wouldn`t want to change a thing. :)

Back to the babies all 3 slept from midnight till just before 6am,they all drank their milk and then lapped a little kitten soup. :)
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 22, 2007, 10:48:21 AM
Can hardly write this but Angelics condition is very poor,we have seen the vet who does not expect her to survive,she has had all the injections he can give and if no improvement within today I must let go.
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: clarenmax on August 22, 2007, 10:50:58 AM
Oh hun I can't believe it  :hug:  I truly hope she manages to pull through this, come on Angelica  :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 22, 2007, 10:55:36 AM
oh teresa :'(

you have done so well for this little angel, i'll be thinking of you both all day :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Tan on August 22, 2007, 12:35:55 PM
Oh T What's happened hun?   :'(  Will be praying she will pull through and sending lots of love and cuddles to you both. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 22, 2007, 13:16:05 PM
Oh T..  :hug: We're here.. xxxx Hugs for Angelica, maybe she has that little spirit inside that will want to fight. xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Cheesecat on August 22, 2007, 13:18:58 PM
Oh no Teresa - sending lots and lots of good thoughts your way. Will be thinking about you and the little one today - I hope she is a fighter.

 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on August 22, 2007, 13:26:38 PM
Oh I hope she makes it.

Poor little thing
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Bazsmum on August 22, 2007, 13:50:07 PM
Sending healing vibes Angelica's way~~~~~~~ :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: LesleyW on August 22, 2007, 14:28:07 PM
Sending lost of positive thoughts to you and Angelica,  I know how hard it is when you feel so helpless and nothing you do seems to work.   :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: chrisleitz on August 22, 2007, 14:42:56 PM
I hope she can pull though.  Sending positive thoughts.   Come on little Angel.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Beccles on August 22, 2007, 15:05:38 PM
Oh, Teresa... hugs and thoughts with you and Angelica.  :(
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 22, 2007, 15:48:58 PM
any news yet T? :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ela on August 22, 2007, 15:57:25 PM
I am  sorry, my thoughts are with you just now.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 22, 2007, 17:21:43 PM
Thinking of this poor little one...  :(
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ellie on August 22, 2007, 17:29:17 PM
Oh T  :hug: as you know I'm not good with words so sending you and Angelica lots of love and positive vibes xx  :hug: :hug:

You are in our thoughts xx  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 22, 2007, 17:35:30 PM
I am hoping as hard as I can.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Millys Mum on August 22, 2007, 17:46:34 PM
Im really hoping shes ok  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 22, 2007, 18:23:19 PM
Sorry cant talk now my Angel has gone.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: blackcat on August 22, 2007, 18:29:54 PM
Oh T, how sad. We are all thinking of you. Lots of big hugs from my gang. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Christine (Blip) on August 22, 2007, 18:34:27 PM
I am so very sorry, Teresa.

You made sure Angelica did not go hungry and did not suffer, as she would have done without you.

xC
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on August 22, 2007, 18:42:43 PM
So sorry Teresa, she couldn't have had anyone better fighting for her  :hug:

Remember Our Love

I was chosen today
I'm learning to fly
the world took me away,
but please don't you cry

And I chose you today
to try and be strong
so please don't you cry
and don't say that I'm gone

When you're feeling alone
just remember our love,
I'm up near the stars
looking down from above.

Remember our love
In a moment you'll see
that I'm still here beside you
when you're thinking of me.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 22, 2007, 18:57:55 PM
I am so very sorry Teresa.

RIP Angelica
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Beccles on August 22, 2007, 19:09:53 PM
I'm so sorry, Teresa  :'( you couldn't possibly have done more for the little lady.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ela on August 22, 2007, 19:12:53 PM
I really am so sorry and can only imagine how you must be feeling.

Hopefully Angelica will be joined at The Bridge by a little unknown that Donna had to take to the vets this evening  and needed to be gently PTS.

Take care.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on August 22, 2007, 19:22:45 PM
Oh T I'm so sorry.  :hug:

RIP Little one xx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on August 22, 2007, 19:48:28 PM
Oh T I'm so very sorry.

RIP little Angelica, play hard at the bridge little one.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: clarenmax on August 22, 2007, 20:22:09 PM
I am so sorry  :hug:  Nobody could have done more for than you did, and she wouldn't have made it this far without your unwavering love and care.

Thinking of you  :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ellie on August 22, 2007, 20:28:21 PM
Oh T I am so very sorry xx  :hug:

RIP Angelica you left a very special pawprint in all our hearts xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Mark on August 22, 2007, 21:25:21 PM
Sorry Teresa, you did your best and thats all you could do. She was in the best place with you.  :hug:

Night Night Angelica
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: JackSpratt on August 22, 2007, 22:40:57 PM
Aww no, Teresa. I'm so sorry.  :hug:

RIP Angelica, you were loved very much.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 22, 2007, 23:03:17 PM
 :'(

Play hard at the bridge, little one...  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: carl (billy and baggys dad) on August 22, 2007, 23:04:19 PM
We're thinking of you here Teresa. If you couldn't do anything for her, no-one could. She was loved all of her little life.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 23, 2007, 07:34:31 AM
I am so very sorry to hear this, but she couldn't have been with a better person. RIP little one, you were too good for this world.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Sarah (seldom_use) on August 23, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
teresa i'm so so sorry :( i'm actually lost for words here, i really thought the little angel would pull through, she fought so hard :'(

in her little life she had the best mummy she could ever have asked for, she's your guardian angel now T <3
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: LesleyW on August 23, 2007, 09:03:30 AM
So sorry Teresa, I know you did everything and more for little Angelica but they wanted her to play at the Bridge with them and she is happy and free of any pain now.

RIP little Angel and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you Teresa - the little ones are always the biggest heart breakers.
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Liz on August 23, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
I am so very sorry Teresa.

RIP Angelica

Only ever borrowed never owned but always a pawprint in your heart and the rest of us here at Purrs

Liz and the Clan :( :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on August 23, 2007, 09:36:30 AM
Thank you All for your very kind words. I am so lucky that I was able to give Angelica the love and care that she needed and have lots of happy moments to remember,the joy of the morning those little eyes opened and that picture where she appeared to be waving; she was such a special little girl who will be missed so much .
Her sister Eugenie and brother Pushkin are keeping me amused right now with their efforts to eat the plate.

Angelica was seen by 2 different vets yesterday who both thought she had either a deformed bowel or had suffered an intersusseption,either way surgery was needed and she was just too small and weak to even try.

Goodbye my Angel
xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ela on August 23, 2007, 09:48:17 AM
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who both thought she had either a deformed bowel or had suffered an intersusseption,either way surgery was needed and she was just too small and weak to even try
.

In all my years of rescue I have only dealt with 2 cats with Intussusception, fortunately it was in full grown cats and the vets was able to operate and the outcome successful.  I am so sorry this could not be the case for Angelica
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Cheesecat on August 23, 2007, 10:02:25 AM
So sorry Teresa - you did everything you could - she really couldnt have hoped for a better meowmy.  :hug:

Good night little one, have fun at the bridge
xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: ems on August 23, 2007, 10:06:35 AM
Oh Teresa i am so sorry about Angelica  :hug:  :hug:

Goodnight little Angelica, 

xxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Tan on August 23, 2007, 13:00:57 PM
Oh T  my heart goes out to you hun , i'm so sorry. :brokenheart:  Wish i could beam over and give you a hug. You are thier angel on earth and now darlin Angelica is your angel on the bridge with all our babes. They are all waiting for us T, they can see us, they know we adore them and did everthing we could for their happiness. One day hun, we will be with our beloved bridge babes again, One day we will cuddle them and play as we used to and that on that one day i know they will also thank us for the happiness we had together. 
Just a moment in time and they touch our hearts, never to leave and always loved. It's never goodbye, it's see you on the bridge one day sweethearts. Oh what a day that will be for all of us.  :blow kiss:
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on August 23, 2007, 13:23:24 PM
So Sorry Teresa

RIP little one - you were loved by many but know only by your Mum who gave you that love - we could only send it to you.

Play hard and grow strong on the bridge,  you will have lots of playmates and never be lonley xxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: hOrZa on August 23, 2007, 13:25:41 PM
So Sorry she's gone :(
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on August 23, 2007, 14:23:52 PM
So sorry to hear this T, she was very lucky to have you to look after her and she fought so hard bless her.

RIP Angelica play hard at the bridge darling
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 23, 2007, 14:52:53 PM
Sorry T,  Nite Nite Angelica, play hard at the bridge baby  :RIP:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: sheryl on August 23, 2007, 15:19:22 PM
So sorry T, she couldnt have had more love and TLC than you gave to her xxx

Sleep tight little Angel xxx
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Bazsmum on August 23, 2007, 16:20:46 PM
 :( :( :(

RIP Angelica.....all our bridge babes will take care of you now x

 :hug: :hug: :hug: Aunty T  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Millys Mum on August 23, 2007, 16:58:32 PM
So sorry you lost your little angel   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lying Public Angelica not good
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on August 23, 2007, 20:51:59 PM
So sorry Teresa, thinking of you xxx