Purrs In Our Hearts - Cat Forum UK
Warm Welcome to Purrs! => Welcome to Newbies :) => Topic started by: Kim on April 08, 2019, 14:03:05 PM
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I always read forums but have not joined any until today. Thank you for accepting me into this group. I have 2 cats, one is quite poorly at the moment so thought I would post something under health. My babies are Toffee and Lulu.
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:welcome: Kim
Am very sorry to hear that one of your babies is poorly :care: :care:
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Hello Kim. A big warm welcome to you, Toffee and Lulu. Am not sure which of your babies is poorly, but sending very strong thoughts and well-wishes for all of you. :hug: :hug: :hug: :welcome:
Forgive me if you've started another topic and I've missed it, but do you know what is causing the problem?
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Hi Kim and a big Purrs :welcome: to you all. I am so sorry one of your furr-babies is poorly, I know how worrying that can be :hug:
BTW, one of our members has visual problems, which is why we post in large font (when I remember!) ;D
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Thanks for letting us join the group. My eldest boy Toffee is 11 and went to the vet with breathing issue last Tuesday. Mediastinal problem found on x-ray chest ? tumour vet thought. He's not been right since he went on Wednesday for aspiration and we are waiting for results. He is eating and drinking and moving around/sitting at window and grooming so there are lots of positives. I am worried. Lulu is the tiny angel found outside work last July at around 8 weeks old. Tiny little thing. Loves her big brother and follows him everywhere.
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So understand why you'll be worried. Is Toffee a ginger lad by any chance? Am trying to picture him. I bet he's beautiful. :Luv:
So he's big bruvva to Lulu, and her Protector? :wow: What colour is lovely Lulu?
It's good Toffee is still grooming and taking an interest in the things around him.
Try not to pre-judge anything in the meantime. Did they tell you when you can expect the results?
So when did Toffee join you? Have you had him from kittenhood? And what did he make of Lulu when she joined the family?Sorry for all the questions, just I love hearing about our members' puddentats. :)
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Toffee is more of a ginger that's been put through the wash. I've had him since he was 4 and he is my life. He was with my friend's family from kitten-hood but when they added a dog George he upped and moved in under a bush in the garden. I took him. Doesn't like other cats at all and can get into trouble outside. He is eating tiny amounts and weight on Tues 6.89kg when he's always been 7.8kg. He has always been well built. His appetite not what it was last week before procedure but our vet staff have been amazing. He has lost condition though. He was a bit of a grump when I rescued Lulu but she adores him. He tells her off occasionally but is a gentle giant. They are my kids. Trying to work out best way to post a photo. Hope to get there today.
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Forgot to add that Lulu is grey tabby with white bib and some socks. They are both stunning but I'm biased. The vets took biopsies Wednesday and I Was hoping today we would know. The waiting is just horrible. I have had time off to watch him. I am upset when he's poorly anyway. He's on breathing MEDS anyway for asthma. At the moment he really doesn't seem to know or care apart from the odd cough with raised resp rate with decreased appetite
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Hi Kim and :welcome:, they sound gorgeous, I am slave to 5 cats two of whom are disabled, one having FIV + diagnosis as well. It's lovely of you to have joined us. This a really friendly site and I am really pleased that I found it. :) Please post away, there is a thread on posting pics in the newbies bit. ;)
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Thank you for the welcome. I will try a photo but may take a while... I noticed you like bigger fonts on the site so getting bigger with each post.
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WELCOME KIM SORRY TOFFEE IS NOT WELL, I CANT READ SMALL PRINT SO ALWAYS USE CAPITALS
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Morning Kim. Morning Toffee. Morning Lulu. :cat rub:
Well, you're in the right place to be biased - and if there's one thing here we love it's cats, whether they're ours, or relative strangers we just haven't met yet. ;) I can't post photo's either. Am pants at stuff like that, which is why I like descriptions too. :evillaugh:
Both Toffee and Lulu sound gorgeous. :Luv: Sending more very gentle, but uber-strengff vibes for Toffee.
Me and my OH are slaves to 3 former shelter cats.
We have Moray, who is the oldest, at 5. He's a tabby and white floof monsta of a cat, with paws like cather's mitts. He's a moggie, but visually is the epitome of a Norwegian Forest Cat. We brought him home when he was a kitten.
Then we have Malt and Barley, who are semi-feral sisters, and we got them together about 3 and a half years ago.
Malt is the smallest of the three - very dainty, white and tabby, and a proper little minx. :evillaugh: looks the picture of innocence, but she's sassy, and adorable. Then there's Barley, who is a dark brown tabby, with black socks and a creamy underchin. She's the flightiest of the two sisters. She's very scared of human contact, but she also craves affection, and is a very affectionate cat with us, so long as we respect her boundaries, and make no sudden movements. try and get either of the gurlies in a cat carrier however, and be prepared to lose an eye. :innocent:
Funny you saying about Toffee being a dilute ginger. I used to have a very dear boy, Flynn, who was like a pale peach coloured tabby. He was the smiliest of cats, and an absolutely beautiful soul. He would follow me everywhere, and would always wait to meet me off the bus when I came home from work. I would often fall asleep on the sofa, and wake to find him sitting on my chest, smiling at me, and purring softly.
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Kim, I am also slave to 2 cats, both black.
Alf is my big, soft boy, 5.5kg of muscle. Sadly, he is a prodigious hunter and often decorates my carpets with the remains of the prey (last week it was rat entrails :sick: ). He came to us, at just under 1 year old, having spent all day crying outside a neighbour's house. So we took him in 'until we find his owner'. He sat on my chest for pretty much all of the first 48 hours, by which time he had stolen my heart. We did find his previous family :'( - the story was that he had followed the lady when she went shopping and had got lost - but they agreed to let me keep him :briggin: That was in 2012, so he is now 7 years old.
Sky is a little lady of 3kg who came from the RSPCA nearly 3 years ago. She has a small white patch under her chin, the only bit of white between them both. All we know about her past is that she was removed from her previous home after a complaint by a member of the public. We were told she is 'a bit shy'. Like Sue's girls, she loves affection but is very flighty, runs and hides if we move too quickly and hates being picked up. Following a very serious illness in 2017, she is still on steroid tablets and cannot be immunised, so she lives in our bedroom and seems perfectly happy there.
In previous years I had a 'Fudge' cat who was pale ginger and also 'Chivers' who was a darker ginger, so I have a real soft spot for jinja ninjas :Luv2:
BTW, and this is not a criticism, you said that your posts ate getting larger each time - but they still appear to be the same size font! I usually re-size mine when I have finished typing - click on CTRL and A, then go to 'font size' and select which you want (I use 12).
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Morning Kim :hug: When do you expect to get results of aspiration through? Must be so difficult waiting :hug: :hug:
Feel free to email pics to me at rosellamoggy@gmail.com and I'll resize and post them for you.
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Thank you again for the welcome. Rang vet this morning. Still waiting full results. This waiting is a killer. I have taken time off work to be with them. The little one eats her meals alongside him and she's also off her food although he has trained her to be fussy. Thanks also for the offer to resize photos. Will send you a couple, that is kind. Going to find my laptop to post in the hope it is easier.
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Yes I can only imagine the wait must be unbearable :hug: :hug:
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and :blow kiss: :blow kiss:
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Thank you to everyone for the descriptions of your babies and to you Rosella for posting the pictures of my kids for me. Still nothing. I have asked for a call back. Toffee settled on the bed with the Disney film channel on. My little baby being a bit of a minx today but she usually joins him.
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Oh. My. Word. Aren't they both just stunning?!! And that very bottom photo of Lulu looking up at Toffee..... :Luv2: :Luv2:
The waiting is always hard to handle. :hug: :hug:
So, what does Toffee like to watch then? :) Moray likes the animal programmes. Barley's partial to a spot of golf. Malt doesn't bother much with the telly. She's more of a garden watcher.
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101 Dalmations, Babe anything with animals really. They seem to enjoy penguin and meercat documentaries odd pair they are. Toffee was sat watching a Pirate film 2 nights ago for a bit. It was the animals. The little one is going to have a check up tomorrow now as her eye is gunky I've just noticed. I have had a call seems the results are not conclusive so going to see the vet tomorrow for the little one and find out plan for my big fella.
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Lulu looks very similar to two other cats on here, my Pippa and Dave D's Lily, both norty monstas. :evillaugh: Pip is a muted silver tabby and white, she has a pale beige overlay over the silver tabby bits, I also have a half NFC, black floofy Emo, my Daughter named her when she was being a goth. :doh: Merlin, who the vet thinks ripped his way out of a snare, took off the pads on his left front paw, he is my FIV+ big black and white boy, Pirate, my other disabled cat, congenital deformities, a mackerel tabby, one eye orbit is too small so his third eyelid is permanently across that eye, he is missing an ear flap and has a curly tail like a pig, and my beautiful black tortie girl, Bob, she has a white chest and paws. Although Pi and Pip were ferals and Merlin a stray, Bob is the only one that acts like a feral, no sudden moves etc. or she is flying out of the cat flap, but the most affectionate girl on her own terms, she washes me awake in the morning, starting at my hands and working her way up to my eyelids. :sick: Waking up to cat breath. :rofl: So there is your intro to my mob.
Yours are gorgeous, I have a very soft spot for ginga ninjas. :Luv:
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Sorry that you still don't have a definitive answer, Kim. And also sorry to hear Lulu's eye is a bit gunky.
Have just amended the earlier posts to larger font. Hope no-one objects. :) :hug:
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Kim, I'm sorry that you still don't have any definitive answers. I know how hard the uncertainty can be!
Thanks for the photos, they are a pair of stunners :Luv2: :(
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Have just popped by to top up the "get better" vibes for Toffee and for Lulu's poorly eye. :hug: :hug:
Moray, Malt & Barley send snoozles (like snuggles, but with more "oooooo") ;) :cat rub:
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Lulu mild temp and touch of conjunctivis so had jabs and eye cream. Toffee is not going to have any more investigations as biopsies involve opening chest. Don't want to put him through it just to confirm vet suspicion of a cancer. He would also need weekly sedation for chemo and I agree with vet he'll be miserable and feel worse all the time. There was haemorrhage at the site. He's on anti-biotics and steroids now and being reviewed in a week. We need a miracle. I'm planning on going back into work on Friday. They'll be glad to see the back of me. I have ordered a pill syringe on Amazon and some cbd oil. Going to check with vet next week if I can give it to him. What a day already!
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Welcome to you and your gorgeous furkids
I am Mum to the Clan cats in the NE of Scotland we have more than the average numbers but take on lifes waifs and strays and the ones not for the feint hearted, we have moggies, ferals, Bengals, Mau's, a Ragdoll and NFC
On the cancer front we have jester who is 13 and had a stroke 3 years ago and then was found to have a jaw tumour, he is on 4 weekly injections of Depomedrin steroids - saves trying to pill a cat with an internal tumour and he walks like he has had one to many but is a happy boy and we maintain his weight at 5kgs
We decided on no more investigations for Jester as he was unhappy and stressed being in the vets so we took the vets advice and started the injections and he is doing well
Sometimes it is best not to stress them with further tests and invasions when sometimes they just embrace being cats again and you love them for as long as they want to stay
We lost our other boy Brady at 18 last year he also had a jaw tumour and was given 3 months 6 years later he told us his time was up when his back legs finally gave in but he was happy and loved and that is the main thing
We also have a diabetic 18yo with 1 kidney so injections are part of our daily routine and it means I get injections from the vets as and when for Jester but we have had 5 diabetic and 5 Hyper T's amongst them ferals so we are well known for our ideas of pilling and stuff so if you need any advice just ask x
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Sometimes it is best not to stress them with further tests and invasions when sometimes they just embrace being cats again and you love them for as long as they want to stay
I agree with Liz. I think you're doing the right thing. It's not worth Toffee going through all of that. Better by far to fill whatever time you have left (which could be weeks or months) with love, affection and making excellent memories, than to waste it elsewhere. Take lots of photos, and sneak in lots of snuggling and cat kisses.
Also a little miracle wouldn't come amiss, if any Gods of Small Things are listening........
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Kim, I am so sorry that the news about Toffee is not what any of us ever want to hear :hug: FWIW, I also think you are doing the right thing. MY Chivvy hated vet visits (he had lost a leg and broke his jaw in 2 places in an argument with a car and had bad memories of the green peeps) and I promised him there would be no long. drawn out end. Eventually, at the age of 19, and with a presumptive diagnosis of lymphoma, he told me he had had enough and I let him go. I hope you still have some special time with your precious boy before it is time for him to leave you :hug:
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Thank you everybody. We will see how we go. I am comforting myself probably wrongly that cancer not confirmed. Any ideas about high calorie cat food for him? I'm going to let him have what he wants but the more calories the better regardless of what the chest problem is.
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Liz swears by it so I have tried Complivit for Emo as it is a supplement that you add to food that helps put weight up and keep it on. It smells like Marmite, but she seems to like it. :)
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Kim as Paula says Complivit is a great thing one pump is equal to a full days calories for a 4kg cat so a couple of pumps in wet food is easily mixed in, another favourite is cat milk, cheese, ham, roast beef my thinking is a calorie is a calorie so if they like it they get it :) Licky lix are also another favourite here and now we have found Asda do them in more flavours so easy for my oldies who get them on a saucer for lunch :)
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I give him medicines in the licky lix so he won't eat it now. Giving him kitten food and ordered some complivit. His appetite seems to be improving on steroids. The sedation last week hit him hard. We haven't given in. If he puts on a little weight I wouldn't mind. He's always been 'big boned'. He's eaten wet food 2 times today but is getting a lot of calories from treats. He loves Felix goody bags and I Was told by them they are around 10 caps per treat so if he has 30 a day I am happy. Thank you all for kind thoughts and suggestions.
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Kim, I do hope it all helps him stay as well as he can be for as long as he can be and my thoughts go out to you and your family, including Lulu. :hug: :hug: :hug: :blow kiss:
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Sky was, literally, hardly eating anything when she started on steroids and they had a great affect on her. On 1tab (5mg) a day she was eating like a little piggy! I hope your lad has a similar response.
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Just adding to the snoozles and healing thoughts for Toffee.
I was watching a vet programme on Sky a couple of weeks ago, and they were using the small jars of baby food to feed a cat that wouldn't eat a lot. Could be worth a try :hug: :hug:
Hope that Lulu's drops are helping with her poorly eye.
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That's the problem I had with the Licky lix till I found the 3 new flavours in Asda now its back to being easier again, we also found cornbeef and tuna pate are great that's how we worm our ferals and two of my Hyper T ladies were both ferals and if Mummy threw the "treat" they ate their tablets :)
Depomedrin is a steroid injection and usually given every 6 weeks but Jester gets his every 4 weeks as he stops eating at that point and our vets are happy with that so much easier than tableting a cat with a jaw tumour as I think sometimes things get stuck Jester refuses to open his mouth sometimes
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I am very lucky that Sky takes her pred crushed and mixed with a bit of her favourite tinned food. Gawd knows what we would have done otherwise!
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2 days of antibiotics on top of the prednisolone and he seems to be getting his mojo back. I have to crush his steroids and anti-bugs into the licky lix. Appetite still not great but he's back to playing the breakfast game where I have to put down several flavours of wet food before he eats.
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Hi Kim, I am so pleased that Toffee is getting his mojo back, difficult putting complivit in his food if you don't know which he finds acceptable, but it does really help. :hug: :hug: :hug:
BTW, if you go to font size at the top, I use point 14, Lyn uses 12 and bold. It just helps Gill enormously.
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Hi Kim. How is Toffee? And how is Lulu's eye?
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Lulu fine. Toffee seems to be improving daily but still not having his old appetite. Still can't find my laptop to do this post properly. Vet tomorrow morning for review. Thank you all. Xx
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Got everything crossed for tomorrow's visit xxx
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Just dropping by to say hello, and hope that Toffee's review went well yesterday.
Snoozles to Toffee and Lulu from Moray, Malt, Barley and Me. :cat rub: :catlove2: :catplay2:
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How did it go? I hope all is well. :Luv:
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Toff is on another course of antibiotics with steroids. I have started him on complivit and cbd oil to see if that helps him. Vet agreed to let us try it. His appetite is just not what it was and his overall condition is not brilliant. He seems happy enough apart from appetite. Still eating small amounts even with steroids. Vet is to review him in a month now. I am devastated. I worry that the antibiotics making appetite worse but he needs them. Had a slight temp on Wednesday after 8 days of antibiotics. I am a very worried mummy. Thanks for asking about him. 💕
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I also found out that one of the kittens he fathered before neutering was diagnosed with cancer and on the day he went to the vets for tests his son had been put to sleep. His name was yoda and he was a big ginger fella as well. My friend had Yoda and asked for a PM hoping it would help my boy. I only found out yesterday so have been in a puddle of tears again they keep coming. I am going to Markers and going to get him a piece of cod loin for his tea he loves that. Then on Sunday he can have some fillet steak because he is rather partial to that as well.💕
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I am so sorry to hear about Yoda, I hope the PM can help Toffee, but all the time you are doing what you can for him, spoiling him rotten, and he is happy, that is the important bit.
I hope Lulu gets a share of cod and steak too. :)
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I'm so sorry to hear about Yoda :( RIP little man.
Also sorry to hear that Toffee still isn't eating well. What dose of steroids is he taking?
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They both have cod and steak for the weekend. I always give them the same as they eat together. Toff is on 5mg twice a day so quite a lot of prednisolone. He is eating something and getting complivit which is reassuring. His breathing much better. 💕
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I'm glad Toff is eating something, 10mg is a good dose of pred :hug:
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You are DA BEST cat mamma!! Cod and steak. :)
Am So sorry to learn about Toffee's son, Yoda. Glad to know you're getting good food into Toffee xxx
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My Toffee ate 3/4 packet wet food, biscuits, treats and a decent amount of poached cod yesterday. I put his medicines in the complivit. I still wish he was eating like a little piggy He's always been food driven. He's had a stroll around the garden this morning and seems happy. Even had an argument with another puss through the fence, tail was puffed up and he shouted. A very good 24 hours. Hope it continues. He is doing so well on the antibiotics.
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Thanks for the update Kim :crossed: that Toff continues to improve :hug:
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Topping up the "gotta eat" vibes for Toffee. Hope you've all had a lovely relaxing weekend together, enjoying the good weather.
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This is so hard seeing him lose condition. He's always been 7.4-7.8 kg. He must be 6 now and I can't bear to see him getting bony at the back end and thin around the waist. He's ok and happy enough. I am the one struggling and I am an emotional wreck. He is seeing a vet in 3 weeks for a check up unless he takes a turn. On the plus side he enjoyed a good bit of cod and prawns at the weekend. I pureed the prawns with a little water. Saving steak til later today. He went in the garden on Sunday morning and scaled a 7ft+ fence to get into next door!! I had to go and fetch him and he took his time coming home.
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Kim, he is obviously happy enough in himself, please don't beat yourself up, you are doing all you can for him. :hug: :hug: :hug: Do you have any idea when the pm results come back for his son?
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Good advice from Paula. Right now, he's busy being "Cat" which is as it should be, never mind the size of the fences he sets himself. It's always harder for us, than it is for them.
It's incredibly difficult, and it's human nature to dwell upon the lost ground, but try to relax a little, and enjoy his days with him.
This is your time for making memories and, where you can, taking photos. :hug: :hug:
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Toffee has gone back to vet today because his weight loss is getting worse. He's lost 1kg in 3 weeks and looking bony at back end. He is having GA with brochoscopy and bronchial washout with repeat xrays tomorrow. Hope to finally exclude nasty infection but he has the mass which they think getting bigger in lastv3 weeks. If it's hopeless then I may have to let him go. This is so painful. They can't wave a magic wand to make him better. Glad I took him today instead of waiting. Devastated....
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Am sorry Kim.
Better to consider letting him go sooner, rather than when his suffering is much worse. I'd hoped you'd have a little longer yet. Thinking of you. Xx
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I'm so sorry Kim :hug:
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Thinking of you, your family, Toffee and Lulu. :hug: :hug: :hug: Wise words, but it's very hard. Been there, done it, on one occasion held on a bit longer than I should have done, which tortures me, I do know what you are going through, but in the end you have to do the best thing you can by Toff.
I am so sorry not to be more positive, BUT you have given him the best of care, as Sue says, he is being 'Cat', as long as he is being 'Cat' enjoy his presence in your life, take loads of photos and celebrate him simply being.
Cats don't think like us, they embrace the moment. If he is happy, that is the main thing. :Luv: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I really feel for you Kim. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Wise words, but it's very hard. Been there, done it, on one occasion held on a bit longer than I should have done, which tortures me
Me too, Paula. It's a cripplingly difficult decision to judge. I wish I had let Paddy go months before I did, as I made his end so much more difficult, unnecessarily. Haunts me too. Appreciate however that doesn't help our feelings in the moment. Cats are so much better at that than we are.
Whatever happens, Kim, know that we're with you in spirit, and supporting you. :hug: :hug:
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I had to let him go under GA this morning. It has ripped me apart. He had 2 masses likely lymphoma and his trachea was being constricted. I have him at home with me wrapped in a blanket in his favourite spot on the bed and we're cuddling and I'm talking to him before I take him back tomorrow for cremation. Wanted Lulu to see where he was. She won't come near him or me or even into the room. I am beyond devastated so may not be able to talk for a while but thank you all for your advice and kindness in the last few weeks. 💕 my heart is broken
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Thinking of you at this very sad time, I have lost 2 this year and know that your heart will be broken in to a thousand pieces x
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Oh Kim :'( :'( I'm so very sorry for your loss :hug: :hug:
Toffee was such a very beautiful boy who was adored and cared for with so much love. It was good that you let him go whilst under GA.
I know the feeling of emptiness you'll be feeling only too well. Lulu will hopefully accept his departure better if she sees him. So hard. Be kind to yourself :hug:
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So sorry Kim, so very difficult for you, please know that we respect your need to grieve and will be here if you wish to return. I sincerely hope that you will. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Play hard on Rainbow Bridge darling Toffee. :RIP:
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Kim, I'm so sorry that Toffee has had to leave you :hug: RIP little man, play hard at the Bridge and send your meowmy a rainbow when you have learned how.
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Kim, I'm deeply sorry. Nothing we can say will ease that dreadful feeling of loss. But we share what you're going through. Many of us know just how painful it is.
Toffee, bask in the sunshine and breathe easily in the rainbows. You're so loved xxxx
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THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT FOR ME TIFF & LULU. LULU AND ME ARE STRUGGLING SEEMS LIKE EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY WITHOUT TOFFEE. WE WILL COME BACK TO THE GROUP BUT IT MAY TAKE US A LITTLE WHILE TO PROCESS EVERYTHING. 💕
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You know where we are, and always here for you and Lulu. :care: :care: :care: :care: :blow kiss:
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I don't know if you're looking in, but you are in my thoughts.
Sweet dreams Kim. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks for messages and your kindness. We have been looking in but if I try to write something about my Toffee I am off again in floods. I will be back but the pain is just too overwhelming. 💕
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IT'S BEEN 6 WEEKS AND I AM STILL STRUGGLING. MISS MY BABY BOY SO MUCH. IT IS SO HARD I NEARLY LOST THE PLOT. LULU MISSES TOFF I THINK. WE HAVE 2 NEW BABY GIRLS A LITTLE MANX WHITE AND TABBY BITS DOLL CALLED DAISY AND A LITTLE BLACK GIRL WINNIE WHO ARE ABOUT 12 WEEKS AND ARE THE SWEETEST LITTLE ANGELS THEY NEEDED A HOME AND FAMILY. THEY ARE KEEPING MY LULU ENTERTAINED AND ME BUSY. GOING TO TRY TO ORGANISE PHOTOS TO POST FROM TABLET. HOPE YOU ARE ALL DOING OK. 💕
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LOOK FORWARD TO THE PICS AND HOPE THAT THEY ENTERTAIN ALL OF YOU :hug:
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Very glad to see you back Kim, and with your new Furbabies. :wow: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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The first few months are insufferably difficult until we remember how to breathe.
Am So pleased you've been able to open your home and your heart to two babies who needed a loving place to live. :)
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Just remember they never replace our loved and lost they just make our hearts bigger and put smiles back on our faces and they have a wonderful home and will soon have you whipped in to shape x
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Just so, Liz. Never a "replacement for". Always an opportunity in their own right to make new discoveries, forge new companionship and make a loving difference to another life. :hug: :hug:
Just remember to keep the loo seat down, and the washing machine door firmly shut. ;) Beware flying kittens, and you should survive. :evillaugh:
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Welcome back Kim, I look forward to getting to know your new family members :hug:
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.... and chimneys blocked up :shify:
Was just telling our builder yesterday why it is that our numbers don't reduce when we lose a much loved feline friend. They are certainly never replaced as that is impossible but new lives welcomed into a home serve as an excellent distraction after suffering a loss .... all the more when newbies are so young.
Look forward to seeing pics of the newbies :hug: :hug: