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Title: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 29, 2017, 13:45:18 PM
3 weeks ago, we were asked to take in a ragdoll, she had been hanging round someone’s workplace. She was trapped, and taken straight to the vet for neutering etc. The vet did ask if we wanted to eartip her, as they felt she might need a farm home, but we wanted to give her a chance first. She isn’t a ragdoll, but is a seal colourpoint, we don’t think Siamese, as she is a bit too chunky for that. She wasn’t doing well in a pen situation, so we have shuffled things round to put her with an indoor fosterer, to see if she can come round. Just as we were arranging this, the person who had asked us to take mum asked us to take the kitten she had kept, as she was too wild. We decided that as mum was being moved, we’d arrange for the kitten to be neutered that day, to both go to the fosterer and be worked on together. The kitten is also a seal colourpoint, but fluffier than mum, we think about 3-4 months.

So far, they are hiding in different boxes in the room, mum (Coco), has hissed, growled and swiped when I went to put the food a bit closer to her, kitten (Chanel) was allowing fusses last night, but this morning has been hissing and swiped at me when I ignored the hissing.

Pics to follow
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 29, 2017, 14:13:18 PM
Look forward to seeing the pics Desley, and to hearing how you get on with them both
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Dawn F on September 29, 2017, 14:35:16 PM
ooh they sound lovely, I hope for their sake they will let you work your magic!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on September 29, 2017, 17:51:28 PM
They sound like a bit of a challenge Desley!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 29, 2017, 20:01:00 PM
Yep, certainly a challenge Lyn! Got home to find them cuddled up together, which could be a bad thing as mum pops at you if you get too close. The feliway is on the landing at the side of the cat room door, so it must get in there. Got this, but mum flew at me
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 30, 2017, 06:55:20 AM
Beautiful pair, Desley.  If it's possible, could you put the plug-in in their room?  And Zylkene mixed in with their food?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 30, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Wow they look uber posh kitties Desley.  Very pretty  :Luv2: :Luv2:

The youngster looks quite unusual in a stunning way and can well understand why you didn't want to clip ears.

Very much hope you are able to bring mom and baby around but think it's gonna take a while?

Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 30, 2017, 13:09:33 PM
Well, the decision not to eartip had nothing to do with looks,we hadn't seen her by that point. It will takes while, and judging off Chanel, quite a bit of blood drawn, but I like the challenge. Sue, I'm going to see if the feliway helps where it is first. Zylkene would be tricky as Coco doesn't like wet, but I have 1kg of RC Calm biscuits left, so giving her those
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 01, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
had a good moment with Chanel yesterday, I got her purring for a few minutes before she scared herself and hit me! Had nothing but hissing since. Coco was exploring more last night, so I have a full pic of her, she ended up sitting who's the chair while I was sat on it, and growled everytime I checked she was there.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 01, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
Well done, Desley.  Even a baby step is giant step with cats like these two.  Is that a scar on Coco' s hind leg?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 01, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
it is, and I'm not bothered by the fact she has been reluctant since, I know it's normally one step forward, 2 back. She's swiping more, so slightly bothered by the fact mum is rubbing off on her. That patch is from where she was spayed
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on October 01, 2017, 18:04:21 PM
They are both very beautiful  :Luv2: I'm sure some patient love can only help, even if slowly. We have some calming treats for Sky, they contain valerian and other herbs, and she has just 2 a day. I think they might help a little but it is hard to say because she is so much more settled anyway.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 01, 2017, 19:45:11 PM
Ooh, do you have the name of the treats Lyn? Well, I ignored the hissing and swiping, and managed to get Chanel to eat some cat tuna from my hand. Slightly concerned that she is swiping a bit earlier now, like she is picking up mums bad habits
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Dawn F on October 02, 2017, 09:13:11 AM
I have used the Beaphar Calming Cat Treats


and of course am a big fan of rc calm!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 02, 2017, 13:18:36 PM
Thanks Dawn, am doing a Zooplus order at lunch, so will see if they sell them. Popped in last night after giving them some supper, Coco stayed on the scratching post in full sight, admittedly growling a lot. Chanel was in the box, I managed to stroke her and got her purring again (at least she only kept hissing, there was no more swiping)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 02, 2017, 17:48:04 PM
  Well done Desley.   :)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 02, 2017, 20:56:37 PM
I've got a good feeling about Chanel, I keep getting curious looks from her. Tonight I dangled the da bird toy out, she put half her head out of the box while I was reading to them, I did get her out playing! But reluctant to take her webbox stick from me, but came out for it
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 03, 2017, 06:45:57 AM
That's so encouraging.   ;D ;D  I remember how excited we'd get when we first brought the gurlies home and some tiny communication barrier would be overcome.   

I still recall the day that Malt crawled underneath my dressing gown, which I'd laid over my tented knees, and went to sleep nestled against my thigh.   :Luv: :Luv:  She was the first to make that move. 

They still manage to surprise and delight us two years further on.  Am really hoping these two can be cracked and brought round.   :) :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 03, 2017, 14:06:59 PM
Yes, it is all encouraging – supper last night went pretty much the same, except that when Coco moved off the den, she didn’t rush into hiding, she seems to think behind the chair is hiding!! I did hope last night that as she will stay in the open, she has the potential, as she hisses and growls, but doesn’t fly off immediately, and stayed watching while I was talking to her. They still aren’t eating during the day though. I do enjoy the sense of satisfaction you get from timid cats, although not sure I’ve ever had a purr so quickly!! We’ve had my neighbours rugrats a year now, and they are still improving on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 05, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
What news, Desley? 
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 05, 2017, 15:03:33 PM
Here is Chanel in the open
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Dawn F on October 05, 2017, 15:10:01 PM
looks good, in more ways than one!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 05, 2017, 15:51:15 PM
Yeah, I'm so pleased at how well she is doing. Coco is sitting out in the open more and doesn't look as stressed, not sure if it is the Feliway or the RC Calm. She has found a new hiding place, it's slightly easier to see her which is good. My neighbour thinks I should try and grab mum to get her used to being handled, but I'm not a fan of doing that to kittens, have never done it to an adult, would rather they get used to my presence, then use food. Another breakthrough last night, cornered Chanel and held her, after a few mins, she struggled away, drawing blood in the process!! Then she went in the dome bed, I put my hand in to give her a treat, she swiped me twice before realising I had food!! Gave her one bit, then refused to give her the other till she purred, but I managed it.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 05, 2017, 17:42:58 PM
 ;D ;D  Desley that's great progress.  I'm sorry, but I'm with you rather than your neighbour.  With scared and/or feisty cats, grabbing is an absolute NO!   Your approach is by far and away thew better one - they need to know that bad things wont happen when you're around - that you're the bringer of lovely treats, and playtime and calm chilling out time. 
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 05, 2017, 20:07:36 PM
Thanks Sue. Had an odd moment with Coco earlier, I figured as she was in the top box that I could sweep the floor, a few minutes later a growling blur flew past me, was a bit scary for a moment. Got some of the calming treats when I ordered some more Calm
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 06, 2017, 06:59:38 AM
Ah yes - the introduction of "new stuff."  Everything gets treated with huge suspicion.   :shify: :shify: 

We got caught out like that a number of times. 

Even Moray, when we bought the Tru-pet grooming glove freaked out at first seeing it, and yet he loves to be groomed with it now. 

When we got the Gurlies it was in the week or so leading up to Bonfire Night, and we thought we'd lost them in a closed room.  I don't know to this day how they did it, but I'd only left them, for half an hour, and they managed to get the sliding wardrobe doors open, winkle themselves inside an overstuffed wardrobe, and get the door pooey after them!   :-:

Cats are ever resourceful, yet capable of huge changes of mind-set.   How was last night with them?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: pandorawarlord on October 06, 2017, 21:51:10 PM
sounds as if there just coming along just fine, a mop next they usually like to chase them  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 07, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
I'm used to cats not liking new things, Lucy still doesn't like my rug, over 12 months later, just shocked at her reaction to something that wasn't near her (although that's a regular occurrence with Lu too!)she had a similar reaction last night when I scooped poo. Thu night was good, they were both behind the chair,
mum didn't pop when I got near, so I ended up laying on the floor moving my hand closer - bit disconcerting as she was growling and hissing but ears weren't back. Chanel has quite a few tabby strips where her points are paler, is that normal for colour points? They also don't have blue eyes.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: pandorawarlord on October 07, 2017, 13:02:07 PM
I have no idea re the fur markings or the color of eyes maybe a color point site can help, they are very beautiful anyway.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 12, 2017, 13:16:04 PM
Interesting evening with Chanel, she was reluctant to come out for Da Bird as I was trying to stroke her with it, so thought I’d see what she thought of the lazer pen – she was racing round the room for it, but got so fixated on it, she wouldn’t even sniff at the treat I was offering her, instead trying to find out where the dot had gone!! Tried to end it on a toy, but she still couldn’t grasp it. Tried to offer Coco a bit of a treat stick, and she drew blood again. Went in at supper, and forgot to check where Coco was, she was behind the chair when I sat on it, she flew out, but couldn’t get behind the bed, so she ended up on the den – she didn’t fully relax, but she watched Chanel play, and actually let me put some food close to her. Chanel is finally eating all her breakfast practically as soon as I put it down, but tea doesn’t go down as quickly. They have been here 2 weeks today, and I’m still unsure about whether Coco can come round, although I was a bit happier last night when she let me pick up bowls, fill them and put them close to her.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 14, 2017, 20:15:35 PM
Seemed to have a bit of a breakthrough last night, had been playing with Chanel and trying unsuccessfully to get her to take a treat stick from my hand, then my neighbour interrupted us. When I went back in, Coco had come out and was behind the chair, so I ended up sitting on the floor. Got Chanel to come part way towards me, then I started tapping my fingers on the floor to get her interested (I know you aren't supposed to encourage playing with hands, but I find it helps with kittens), and she could smell some houmous on my fingers so started licking them!! I got a full treat stick into her, part taken from my hand, part from the floor at the side of me, and part from my knee!! This pic was taken last night, if you zoom you can see Coco behind the chair

This afternoon, I swept the cat room, I thought I was only going to manage part of it as they were in the scratching post, but I was able to sweep in front of it without being popped at. Tried sitting on the floor again tonight, Chanel wasn't interested, but I could see Coco watching me. My sciatica doesn't quite appreciate it though!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on October 15, 2017, 09:01:52 AM

Hopefully Chanel will teach Coco that you're safe in time.  It's great that she isn't following her mom's lead being so wary. 

How long do you expect to be able to give them Desley?  I do wonder if Chanel would do even better being away from mom?

Which in turn makes me wonder if Coco might be forced into being more friendly if she weren't allowed to hide being her daughter.  Such a tough one to call.

Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 15, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
Yes, it is tough to know if they would do better, but then Coco is watching Chanel play, but if I put Da Bird near Coco she pops at it, so I think it is helping her. I sat on the floor again last night (sciatica doesn't like that!) and I could see Coco watching me. This was when I went in at supper time last night.

Do you mean how long I've got to bring them round R?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 15, 2017, 10:04:37 AM
I think, bloodloss notwithstanding, that they are coming on quite well. Softee softee catchee monkey, or cats in this case, I can't believe your neighbour thinks that grabbing them is a good idea. :doh:

They are really beautiful cats Desley, once you have worked your magic I can't see you having any difficulty finding homes for them. Will they be rehomed as a pair?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 15, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
Yes, they are, especially when you consider it's only been just over 2 weeks and both had an unsettled few weeks prior to coming here. Coco has drawn blood twice while trying to offer her treats, my neighbour just suggested I used chicken instead!  :shocked:

My initial plan is to get Chanel homeable, then go back to the rescue for adoption, I don't think it would be feasible to find a home for both of them, as I don't think they will be ready at the same time, and I suspect they will need different homes. I think Coco will be harder, it's a shame Lucy is so intolerant, or she could have stayed here
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on October 15, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
Do you mean how long I've got to bring them round R?

Yes that's what I meant Desley.  It would be lovely to think they could be rehomed together but that's not always best.  I know Dinah wouldn't have given a hoot to have been rehomed away from her family.  Despite being a fab mom for 12 weeks or so (even allowing an orphan to join her gang and suckle), she dumped Ruby and Millie on us as soon as she was able to and showed no interest in them ever again.  We thought we were doing her a favour but I often wonder if she would have much preferred to wave them farewell  :-:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 15, 2017, 10:57:07 AM
It's not been discussed, but the boys were here 6 months, and we've had a dog for 2 years, so am sure they will get as long as it takes. I just hope it's the right thing for Coco, a couple of years ago we took in mum and kittens, mum was very quiet so we thought she was homeable, when we took her for second vacc the vet disagreed, we found her a home where she was safe if she wanted to go out, they kept her in for about 7 weeks before she showed signs of wanting to go out and was never seen again
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 15, 2017, 18:15:10 PM
Most relaxed I've seen Coco during the day. Had Chanel taking treats from my hand again, but she isn't happy if I try and touch her
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 15, 2017, 21:37:01 PM
Oooh er, I was too bored today, when I should have been doing stuff, and bought 6 of those crinkly balls, 3 for mine and 3 for Gills. I was just  :tired: :naughty:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 17, 2017, 20:59:13 PM
Another first - well 2 actually, it's the first time we've seen her eat wet food! I would have cropped my foot out, but shows perspective




Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on October 17, 2017, 21:28:29 PM

Fabulous pic Desley  :evillaugh:  Sorry but it IS really .... err unusual  :evillaugh:  love it  :Luv2:

Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 18, 2017, 12:45:13 PM
Yes, you can guarantee on a cat for moving at the wrong time. I have unfortunately upset them - I needed to move the scratching post you see them in, as it would be too awkward to grab Chanel for her boosters, mainly because Coco is also in there, and will probably draw blood on me. I was going to leave it a bit later, but when I went in at suppertime, Coco was on the den, so I took my chance. Went in this morning to a very stressed Coco (there are two boxes on the den, and an igloo bed in there), which was making Chanel hiss, but you could tell she was copying, by her body language.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 20, 2017, 02:33:04 AM
THEY ARE STUNNING DESLEY  ;D

SO THE KITTEN IS THE FLUFFY ONE, I THINK SHE LOOKS LIKE A RAGDOLL ALTHOUGH THE OTHER ONE DOESNT!

MAYBE SHE IS PART RAGDOLL AND WAS ALLOWED TO BREED WITH A RAGDOLL.......WELL KUST A THOUGHT.


WHEN I FIRST SAW THE BLUE EYES AND HEAD OF KITTEN I THOUGHT BIRMAN, BUT NO WHITE FEET.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 20, 2017, 06:17:42 AM
Sorry that you keep getting blood drawn Desley.

They are both very beautiful cats. :Luv: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 20, 2017, 12:49:23 PM
Well, I’ve had more blood drawn from Lucy than the fosters this week Paula, and I was only stroking her!! Have had a mixed reaction since taking away one of the hiding places, Coco initially seems really stressed and hissy, but then often settles and while not fully relaxed, she does lie in the open watching me, despite there being 3 more hiding places that she could go in. Chanel hisses, but then sits and gazes at me to either feed her or play with her, and she’s very responsive, so you can tell she’s just copying mum. She will happily sniff my fingers, and eat biscuits from my hand, but not interested in being touched. I did wake up to the sound of playing though, so she’s acting like a normal kitten.

Certainly could be ragdoll in there Gill – mum was a stray, so who knows who found her. You are the third person this week to mention Birman though. I don’t see the blue eyes, although there must be something as in certain lights they have that red tinge that you do only normally see in blue eyes.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 20, 2017, 19:30:45 PM
What colour are their eyes Desley? I assumed (and you know where that gets you :shify:) that they both had blue eyes given the rest of their colouration.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 21, 2017, 00:00:29 AM
IN REPLY NUMBER 5 THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLUE EYES TO ME  :scared: :scared:

AND YOU ARE RIGHT BLUE EYES OFTEN COME UP RED IN PHOTOS. OR TINGED RED IN THE SUN

THEY DEFINATELY ARENT BIRMANS AS BIRMANS HAVE WHITE FEET, SEE LUPIN. THE KITTEN IN ONE OF PICS HAS THE CLASSIC LAZY CAT LUPIN POSE WITH THE FEATHER  :evillaugh:

TO MAKE LIFE COMPLICATED RAGDOLLS ARE NOW BEING BRED WITH WHITE FEET TOO GRRRRRRRRR

AT THAT POINT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I CAN SEE BETWEEN THE 2 IS THEIR NOSES, BIRMANS HAVE A LITTLE ROMAN NOSE..............THINK ITS A ROMAN NOSE BUT RAGDOLLS HAVE A NORMAL CAT NOSE.......STRAIGHT?

THE MOTHER DOESNT HAVE A RAGDOLL TAIL  AND NOT THE FUR EITHER WHICH SHOULD BE LIKE THE KITTENS.

 IAHE NOT BEING ABLE TO NIDENTY A CAT  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 21, 2017, 05:26:48 AM
I think they could be Himalayan cats.  Due to the Persian breed characteristic, they can have amber, green, gold or blue eyes.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 21, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Well, that went a lot better than I expected - I chased her round the room a few times, then she went in the top box - when I went to put my hand in, she swiped my arm, so I have two little claw marks. I then decided to wrap her in a blanket, but when I turned round to get one, she ran out and ended up in the igloo bed, so I picked it up at an angle, and put it in the carrier!! When we got to the vets, we just pulled out the igloo bed, and she was the meekest I've ever seen her, so we just peeled the bed back enough to get at her neck, and injected her, then used a pill popper for a wormer all the time letting me stroke her. Last night I hand fed her her full pouch of Whiskas, that was interesting, as she likes food in gravy. I decided to try and pin her for a stroke again this morning, she was less resistant, and ended up on the top den, so Coco was watching her have a stroke, then she stayed there while I got her a treat, and took those from my hand. She may have some ragdoll in her, she has lovely silky fur. In the flesh, their eyes look yellow but a lot paler than Lucy's, and occasionally see a blue tint in Chanel's - I did think all colourpoints had blue eyes though
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 21, 2017, 22:18:31 PM
Who cares? They are both stunning cats. :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 22, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
Now I have taken the carrier out, Coco is settling so not giving them the scratching post back. Got very close to Coco without growling last night, Chanel pinched the biscuits from my hand though. Made Chanel have a stroke again this morning, she was less amenable, but happily ate some of her breakfast from my hand and I got some strokes then
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on October 22, 2017, 14:56:25 PM
Making progress Desley, slow but sure. ;D :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 28, 2017, 10:40:10 AM
Well, we did have a discussion yesterday about splitting them up, I do think Coco is benefiting from Chanel, although not sure how much She's eating as Chanel has hollow legs! Then this happened last night
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 28, 2017, 19:49:54 PM
Well, I might have had a bit more blood drawn, but a good time. She's more responsive to being touched by the stick than Chanel, so may have had a home. When she Hits, it's definitely a fear reaction rather than aggression
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 29, 2017, 00:59:37 AM
OK I AM CONFUSED WHICH CAT IS WHICH  :-[ :-[

WWHICH IS THE MOTHER AND ARE THEY BOTHE FEMALE?

I THOUGHT I KNEW THE ANSWERS TO MOST AND THE OTHERS WOULD BECOME CLEAR BUT NOT :-[ :-[

I THINK IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER AND IF I DIDNT HAVE 3 ALREADY I WOULD HAVE TAKEN THEM
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 29, 2017, 09:41:44 AM
Coco is mum, she's the sleek one, Chanel is the kitten and fluffy, and both are girls.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 30, 2017, 02:03:53 AM
THANK YOU DESLEY...............HAD THEM THE WRONG WAY ROUND NAMEWISE ALTHOUGH GOT MUM AND KITTEN RIGHT LOL. YOU CAN SEE WHY I WAS CONFUSED  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 30, 2017, 20:26:43 PM
Used the 'tickling stick' again this morning, Coco bit it a few times but went from lying with ears slightly back to sitting with her ears normal. Chanel however looked incredibly uncomfortable, and moved away, yet in the beginning I had her purring. I'm thinking to stop pushing her, she will happily sniff my fingers and eat from my hand.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 31, 2017, 03:19:45 AM
I THINK YOU SHOULD AND SHE WILL COME TO YOU WHEN SHE WANTS, THINGS LIKE TOYS SHE WILL LIKE OR NOT AND ALSO POSSIBLY COPY COCO
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on November 01, 2017, 22:46:42 PM
Softee softee catchee monkee, just carry on what you have been doing and let the cats progress at their own pace. You are doing fine Desley. :Luv:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 04, 2017, 09:16:22 AM
Had a great evening on Wed, a bit hit and miss since then, but that is to be expected, then a good morning today. On Wed, I decided I had to sweep the floor - first time I did this when she couldn't see me, she got really stressed, on wed, she sat on the bottom level of the den watching me - lot of growling going on, but even when I got to the bits near where she was sitting, she was close enough to hit me, but just stayed growling. Tried to give her some temptations for being so good, she did swipe at me, but it's the first time she hasn't drawn blood, and it didn't hurt, as she hadn't used her usual force. Last night however, went to give her a plate of chicken, she hit it so hard it went flying!! This morning, she was growling and moving away from me when I tried to give her her breakfast, but then ate in front of me, and let me top the plate up!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 05, 2017, 00:32:05 AM
WHICH SHE IS THIS  :-[
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 12, 2017, 15:59:33 PM
Had a great week with Coco, also realised she isn't going behind the chair to hide, she loves curling up to the radiator!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 12, 2017, 18:42:33 PM

Lovely pics of beautiful gals Desley ❤❤

Great that Coco mum is responding now altho early days yet.

How's Daughter Chanel doing bearing in mind her moms up and down responses?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 12, 2017, 19:17:17 PM
Chanel is quite stubborn - will happily sniff my fingers or eat off my hand, but refuses to let me stroke her. Doesn't even let me stroke her with Da Bird. We are going to try and home them together, doubt it will be this side of Christmas
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 15, 2017, 13:21:44 PM
Well, they met their second visitors yesterday, initially lots of hissing, but we went in at tea time, so tummies overruled fear – I got a quick stroke from Chanel, but poor thing looked so uncomfortable. She did happily play with my friend with the stick toy though. Coco ended up sitting at the side of the chair my friend sat on, she only had a nibble of her tea, as my friend does a lot of hand gestures when talking, Coco kept watching her, but was sat with her legs tucked under her and ears in normal position. This morning was different, Lucy had been hissing at them through the door again, Coco actually popped at me when I went to move her supper bowl, but I got a sneaky stroke of her tail while sorting the litter tray – can’t say she was impressed, but didn’t run away. My friend thinks Coco might be Tonkinese.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 15, 2017, 16:06:14 PM
I think they may be Tonkinese too, as per my previous post
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 15, 2017, 20:14:04 PM
Sorry, missed that Sue. Coco was quite agitated tonight , so I had words with her, she looked as though she was taking it all on board and then settled down!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 17, 2017, 17:20:54 PM
They are the most gorgeous pair but don't think mine would be impressed with two kid lol
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on November 18, 2017, 23:42:09 PM
Gill, yours would definitely NOT be impressed. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Especially Lupin.  ;) He is quite enough on his own, certainly keeps me on my toes. (if you'll pardon the expression.)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 20, 2017, 13:11:43 PM
Another breakthrough with Coco last night – I kept putting my hand near her, and then moving it, I can get quite close now, so wanted to praise but she doesn’t seem to like treats, so I thought of offering her some of her biscuits to praise her. She was contemplating them, so I told her she could hit them off my hand if it was easier, and she did!! Admittedly she lost 2 of the 3, so I had to do a second lot, which she also hit off my hand – slight claws involved second time though. She is so clever, although that isn’t always a good thing with nervous cats!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 20, 2017, 15:01:19 PM

Have you tried wiggling fingers as your hand approaches her Desley?  Or is that what you mean by moving your hand?

Billy (RIP gorgeous lad) was also a clever and wary cat even after so many years with us. As long as I didn't look him in da eye and waggled my fingers as my hand approached, he would offer me an upright tail for a back scratch. I imagine you know all the tricks though.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 21, 2017, 13:39:17 PM
Well, I've tried 3 ways, palm up, palm down and wiggling fingers - wiggling fingers gets the best response, but not sure if that is just cos she wants to play with them. I was allowed to sit on the windowsill yesterday while she was on the top den, although when I offered her biscuits, she properly swiped my hand.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 04, 2017, 13:16:49 PM
Had an odd weekend with Coco and Chanel, Coco has started sitting in other parts of the room, Sat night she was in front the chair I sit on, so I sat in front of the door, she looked like she was contemplating me, then jumped on the den. I tried to stroke Chanel while giving her her treats, she flew across the room, and Coco flew down hissing and growling, I was scared. Not seen her that protective, especially as at tea time, she’d had a go at Chanel!! Last night I got Chanel to take one of her treats off my knee, then ate a bag of crisps, so she kept trying to get close to me. Then she sat on a cushion sort of opposite me, and chirruped at me. I said something to her, she looked like she was considering it, then chirruped back, did that for about 10 mins!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on December 04, 2017, 16:54:55 PM
Definitely getting there Desley, how funny that you had a little 'conversation' with Chanel. :Luv2:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 15, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
Had an interesting evening with them last night, Coco was quite spooky and ended up behind the chair when I went to sit with them, I tried the biscuit game, but she was hitting my hand so hard she was sending them flying, and I’m not sure about her sense of smell, she seems to struggle to find one near her paw. Chanel is quite happy to sit on the scratch post at the side of the chair (mainly to see if she can get a treat!!), but runs if you move your hand or look at her too much. At bedtime, she was out in the open again, so I sat down in front of the door, Chanel came over to investigate, and Coco growled!! I started tapping my hand on the floor and Coco got halfway towards me, before Chanel came to sniff my hand and put her off. Then Chanel hit my hand, and looked at the cupboard where the treats live - twice!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 19, 2017, 13:47:02 PM
Another good night with them, Coco was out last night, she looked curious when I was tapping my fingers, so I got a bit closer and she came to me and hit my hand, the only downside is that she is a lot hissier when we play the biscuit game on the floor, it’s a bit disconcerting. Both of them did it this morning, Chanel does put Coco off though unfortunately, this morning she was being a right floozy!! Chanel is getting more relaxed, and happier to roll around showing her belly, even though last night I did try and push attention on her – everytime I got the slightest touch of her fur, I gave her a treat, so she has started giving me a sniff, then looking to the treats!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Dawn F on December 19, 2017, 13:51:45 PM
they do sound like they are coming on slowly
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 19, 2017, 13:53:34 PM
Yeah, they are. Not looking forward to homing them though, think people are just going to see their looks and not realise what they actually need
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on December 19, 2017, 14:43:27 PM
That's why you do home checks Desley, I am sure that you will find a genuine cat lover that can see past the way they look. :hug: :hug: :hug: Usually it's for the opposite reason!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 20, 2017, 13:17:11 PM
Coco was out again last night, Chanel does put her off the biscuit game a lot unfortunately. Convinced her to jump on the den, the first time she hit my hand and got biscuits, the second time she actually licked my fingers!! Couldn’t get her to eat them from my hand though, she much prefers to hit my hand to get them. Chanel was also licking my fingers, but got a bit enthusiastic and nibbled them too!!

Paula, my main concern is how many people are just going to see their pic and enquire without reading what kind of home they need, so we are going to have to do a lot of sifting before we get to home visit stage!! It is ironic that it is the opposite to our normal concerns.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on December 20, 2017, 13:31:23 PM
I do understand Des, "I want those pretty kitties." No thought of the cats needs, just window dressing for the home. Usually it's the ones that aren't so good looking for whatever reason that are hard to find good homes for. That is why Sheila contacted me about Pirate, although I think he is a very handsome boy regardless of wonky/missing bits.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 20, 2017, 13:36:09 PM
Yeah - I was surprised Charlie and Will struggle so much - longhaired ginger and longhaired grey?? Funny how some of the ones you think will be easy turn out to be with you a while. First time I took Lucy to the vets, everyone was surprised she had waited 18 months for a home - suspect now they know her better they aren't quite as surprised!!  :shify:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 01, 2018, 16:20:28 PM
Am trying to get to the next stage with Chanel, she has shown how clever she can be- yesterday was trying to get her to eat dreamies off my knee, as soon as I sat down today, she came and sniffed my knee! So of course I got the dreamies out
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 09, 2018, 13:48:43 PM
Tried something new last night, which failed – Chanel is so greedy if you throw her a treat then give one to Coco, she’ll gulp hers down and try and pinch Cocos’ which is causing tension, I had a spare treat ball in the cupboard, but she couldn’t figure it out last night!! I left some in it when I went to bed though, so she might have a better idea tonight. Coco has started playing though, mainly with her tail, because Chanel tends to dominate the toys.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 09, 2018, 14:51:30 PM
We find that with Barley and Malt - Barley has a tendency to dominate any games, and then malt ends up sitting watching.  What we try to do now is to give Malt some play opportunities when Barley is out, but that's a harder option for you at present given neither Coco or Chanel are outdoor cats.  The puzzle treat ball sounds like a great way to go.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2018, 13:42:54 PM
Tried again with the treat ball, with no luck, although heard it moving at 3am!! Chanel poo'd on the floor in front of me last night, I thought it was Coco. Oddly though, it was a clean litter tray yesterday morning, Chanel wee'd in it when I spent some time with them when I got home, but then wouldn't poo in it!! I do need some more litter, I might try a different brand.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 17, 2018, 13:32:51 PM
Coco is getting a lot braver, she is out in the open more, she was in the dog bed over the weekend and didn’t even hiss at me, she has sniffed my feet a couple of times and at breakfast and supper time she is getting good at coming and hitting me for food – unfortunately she is a bit aggressive, got lots of little scratches!! She has started making new noises, which are interesting with the Siamese in her, but I can’t interpret if they are good or not!! Chanel is twigging that everytime I touch a bit of fur, she gets a treat, although she much prefers the ‘I’ll tap you and get a treat’ approach!! Last night I got the most touching of fur, as she was that engrossed in trying to catch snow she didn't notice me!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 17, 2018, 14:07:42 PM
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  Chanel is twigging that everytime I touch a bit of fur, she gets a treat, although she much prefers the ‘I’ll tap you and get a treat’ approach!!

 :evillaugh: :evillaugh:  Clever girl.   :)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 17, 2018, 19:18:56 PM
Chanel trying to catch snow
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on January 18, 2018, 08:13:20 AM
 ;D ;D ;D So cute. :Luv:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on March 17, 2018, 18:39:34 PM
Thought I'd share a pic of Chanel, she was acting like she wanted a fuss on Thu but everytime she got close, Coco was growling really loud! This was Thu evening, she likes to sit like this when I read to them. Coco has been really jumpy today, I wonder if it's the wind.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 19, 2018, 12:48:51 PM
 :evillaugh: :evillaugh:  She looks so relaxed, yet "paying attention."   Moray used to love it when I read to him, and I can still get his attention quite quickly by pitching my voice low, and saying to him:  "Are you sitting comfortably?  Then I'll begin...."

(Anyone remember Listen with Mother?  :evillaugh:)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Misa on March 25, 2018, 18:50:50 PM
YES
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on April 06, 2018, 12:38:47 PM
Chanel has been really naughty the last couple of nights – she eats on the floor, and Coco eats pretty much wherever she happens to be, normally on the top of the den, but the past few days as I’ve been leaving the room I’ve heard Chanel jump up, the other night I not only gave Coco a few more biscuits and made sure Chanel didn’t go near them, but wouldn’t let Chanel go near her bowl – didn’t work though, last night I hadn’t even shut the door when I heard her!! I don’t know what to do, as Coco can be reluctant to eat with me in the room. Coco drew blood on me again today, not sure she is going to improve anymore. Chanel wants too, but Coco tells her off when she gets too close, and last week I was stroking Chanel’s tail, Coco was sat behind her and swiped me!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Misa on April 19, 2018, 18:31:16 PM
SOUNDS LIKE COCO IS JEALOUS
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on April 22, 2018, 18:16:22 PM
Bit of a mixed afternoon with them, went in to clean the room and Chanel seemed quite receptive to being stroked, especially as it was followed with dreamies!! Then decided to hoover the floor to help my sore foot, had to stop when Coco poo'd herself in fright   :'( Chanel ended up on top of the bookcase and again, allowed herself to be stroked - whether I was stroking her head, cheek or back, she refused to purr but she could have moved and didn't, so again got a dreamie. She has started rubbing my legs when I am feeding them too
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 25, 2018, 07:54:51 AM
I've heard some cats like hoovers, but I've never met one yet.  Poor Coco. 

They're both making steady progress though, Desley.  In my view, it's seldom "too late."   :)

Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on April 25, 2018, 13:44:31 PM
I’m sure my neighbours rugrats don’t mind the hoover, which surprises me as they are still jumpy over things, but never had one react like poor Coco, and she is very wary of me this week, she normally eats tea in her bed, but she has run away from me every day this week. She does sit out in the open in a relaxed position when I sit with them after tea though, and I’ve started bribing her with dreamies, this morning she tapped my hand to get it off. Chanel is still resisting strokes, but is rolling and flopping on the floor more when I talk to her and tap the floor.

I think the ‘too late’ really depends on people’s expectations of cats and what resources rescues have, I do sometimes feel guilty that I’m tied up with these when we are turning cats away, but that is the advantage of a small rescue, with CP, we were expected to move cats on after 6 months, which I kind of understand but hard to do when you’ve put so much effort in – my neighbour got her rugrats when they were still unhomeable, but it made sense to finish the socialising in their forever home – if she hadn’t been willing to take them on, I’d have had to start looking for a farm home for them – 20 months after them being picked up, Fizz will still only allow my neighbour to stroke her, and she demands being cuddled daily by her, but even when she is away, she won’t ask anyone else, I’m lucky if I get a touch of her
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 07, 2018, 13:51:12 PM
Well, I’ve had them 8 months now, so Chanel will be 1 year old. I’m really not sure they are going to come round much more, even though I had a good day last Thu with Chanel allowing herself to be stroked and picked up, she hasn’t allowed it since, and even been reluctant to eat from my hand. I had a long chat with Coco last night, she has such a funny expression when you talk to her, never seen a cats eyes move so much, like she is really taking on board what you are saying – even though I can talk her from ears flat to her head to a normal position, I’m just not sure she’s going to be able to break that barrier. Just not sure how easy it is going to be to home them – I think they would need indoor only with an enclosed outdoor space. Could do with a local version of Liz really!!
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Liz on June 07, 2018, 13:54:12 PM
They sound like my type of girls Desley :)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 07, 2018, 13:55:11 PM
They are Liz, just a shame you are so far away.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 10, 2018, 18:36:08 PM
Hmm, my neighbour suggested something today for the girls, as she looked after them yesterday/this morning, I came in to find Coco had gone into hiding because of it, so my neighbour thinks I should keep them. Obvious downside of this is that Lucy is intolerant of other cats, so keeping them here would mean keeping them in the one room (its around 8 feet wide and 11 feet long), which I'm not sure is fair, but my neighbour thinks if we add a couple of things like shelves in the room and have a similar enclosure to hers built outside the window, so they could have some fresh air, it may work. The plan would be until Lucy is no longer here, then they would end up with the whole house. Main downside of this is that it is the only room I can use for cats (I used to use the bathroom for occasional stays, but can't with Lucy), so I wouldn't be able to foster, although technically I am, as these aren't mine. I need to think about this before I suggest it to the rescue, as it is quite a big step
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 11, 2018, 00:45:36 AM
It is a big step Desley, are you sure about this? They do seem to be coming on with you although Lucy is a massive factor. What sort of life expectancy does Lucy have? I am sorry it is a very bald question, but has to be considered. :hug: :hug: :hug: Is it fair on Coco and Chanel to be in a smallish room for an intermediate amount of time? An access to outside will help massively. Sorry, lots of questions.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 11, 2018, 13:27:55 PM
Yes, it is a big step Paula, which is why I’m contemplating this rather than ringing the woman I volunteer for to suggest it. I’ve never discussed Lucy’s lifespan with the vet, I think when she had the initial CKD diagnosis, it wasn’t bad because it was picked up on the early detection test, but not sure how much the IHC will affect that, I Think it all depends on how well we can manage it – I know when we had the diet/medication conversation last year, she said it would be her kidneys that would get her first. I just don’t know whether having the outdoor space would be enough for them, potentially for years. Equally, I’m not sure we could find anyone to take them as they are, and I would really hate to put them on a farm after the work I’ve put in or with how much they enjoy sleeping in front of the radiator. Neither have attempted to escape, I suspect Coco is just glad to have somewhere warm, safe and 3 meals a day, Chanel doesn’t know much different. The loft hatch is in there, I did wonder how easy it would be to enclose a bit of that for them to have a bit of extra space, but they couldn’t stay in the room while it was being done, and nowhere else really to put them. A few times recently I haven’t fully shut the door behind me and Lucy has peeked in at them, she hisses at them – neither of the girls react to that though.

The other downside of course is I wouldn't have space to foster anything else, I've always stopped myself from adopting too many so that I can continue to foster.
 
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 12, 2018, 18:00:53 PM


Desley, are these the only two alternatives?   

Forgive the questions, but am not sure if there are any other volunteers who may be able to take over and/or continue the work you've started with both Coco and Chanel?  Am guessing not, and that's why they've been with you for so long. 

Am also wondering if it might be possible to put the word out through some of the pedigree cat rescues that these two need a very special home with someone who has bags of patience, and preferably access to a safe and secure outside run, but appreciate you may have already tried that.  I know these two aren't pedigree as such, but they're attractive enough to interest people who are used to the breed characteristics and temperaments such cats can present, and many have safe access to outdoors arrangements.   Then again, you may feel that could attract the wrong sort of interest, with people only taking account of appearances and not much else.

I suspect that you wouldn't really want these to go somewhere that you couldn't personally vet and judge for yourself, having invested so much of yourself in their care and welfare.

I know Lucy isn't keen on other cats, but then neither are Coco and Chanel.  I'm wondering whether it would be apocalypse now if they all ended having the run of the house, or whether they may learn to keep to ultimately rub along together.  Is it worth giving it a cautious try-out?

I agree that I don't think it's fair to cats to have a permanent home which is a one room solution, but then I can see why it would be heartbreaking to see these two go to a farm setting too, and to be honest, I'm not sure they'd adapt that well, even with the freedoms.  Looking at them, it just doesn't feel quite right. 

It would be great to get Sheila's opinion.  With her farm contacts and her ability to place cats so well, her input would be invaluable on the likely scenarios you're considering.

Thinking about our two gurlies, we both knew that we couldn't part with them, even with their violent tendencies and unpredictability - and it was a very close thing, believe me.  I wont ever forget how close we came to it.  Yet thinking of them huddled up together, looking so fierce yet so vulnerable to those who might not "get" what they were about, I shudder even now at what might have been.  And yes, we still can't "handle" them in the proper and accepted sense, but I've just enjoyed a 15 minute snuggly session with Malt after tea - and she instigated it.  She wanted it.  She asked for it.  My God, how much that lifts my heart.  And I suspect you're the same with every hard won victory you witness with Coco and Chanel. 

I still recall when I would approach Malt and she would run from me.  Then when she had the courage to stand her ground, she would visibly flinch when I went to touch her, and I would back off, and then we'd both end up looking  like we'd lost a tenner and found a pound.   :-:  And then Barley - so craving affection,  so bold in many respects yet still terrified if we stand up and move about around her. 

It's a roller-coaster, but I think you've made such a difference to these three cats already, that any decision you make will be taken after a huge amount of thought, and with a quiet determination that is all your own.   I think you'll find a way.  As for the other cats you "might foster" but maybe can't in the scenarios you envisage, sometimes we have to commit to those cats who need us the most, whether or not it suits our preferences.  Only you can decide whether that's Lucy, Coco and Chanel.  We never know how long we have the cats who are with us and in our care.  However much we plot, plan and propose, life often throws the unexpected in our path, and it's how we deal with that which counts for the cats in question.

That probably doesn't help you at all!  :evillaugh: :hug: :hug:



Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 12, 2018, 18:05:19 PM
I know that Lucy has an aversion to other cats, but is there any possibility that as she will sniff in the doorway and hiss that she may come round at all, if the hostilities are limited to hisses............ Merlin still chases Emo from time to time and she still hisses at him if he walks past too closely, yet they often sleep within a couple of feet of each other. Either like this morning at the top of the landing or on our bed.

Sue posted while I was writing, but some of her thoughts closely mirror my own. We don't know them like you do obviously and as she says you have invested so much time and energy with all three cats, you equally obviously have fallen in love with them. These are the ones you have now not potential future cats that may need help.

I know that there are always going to be cats needing fosterers, maybe an outside structure for those would be possible with a bit of financial help from the rescue?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Liz on June 12, 2018, 20:01:52 PM
Although it may be rough to start with sometimes letting the door open and see how it goes - they may surprise you

Re the farm thing I don't think to be honest they wouuld be suitable after being inside and fed for so long also their coats would become a mess then they would need to be trapped and that opens a whole new can of worms.

Some Zylkene and plug ins at the ready and a weeks holiday with no interuptions and give it a go would be my way

As they look pedigree folks will be thinking sweet Ragdoll rather than claws and language becoming a marine :)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 12, 2018, 21:24:34 PM
Desley, unfortunately there will always be more cats needing fostering than space for them. You could have a mansion with a cat family in each room and it still wouldn't be enough. Knowing that, I think you be should do what you think is right for the 3 cats currently in your care, rather than worrying about those you have never met.

I know that whatever you decide will have been thoroughly thought through with the welfare of the 3 cats uppermost in your mind  :hug:
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on June 12, 2018, 23:44:36 PM
DESLEY THEY ARE STUNNING CATS AS IS LUCY AND IN YOUR SHOES AFTER ALL THE WORK I WOULD KEEP THEM.

I DIDNT REALIZE THAT LUCY HAD HEALTH ISSUES BUT THINK YOU HAVE GIVEN ALL 3 SUCH A GREAT HOME IT WOULD BE SAD TO MOVE COCO AND CHANEL ON.

YOU HAVE HAD ALL 3 FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, PLEASE DONT CHANGE IT.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 13, 2018, 07:40:03 AM


Some excellent points and comments, as always, from your Purrs family, Desley.

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     folks will be thinking sweet Ragdoll rather than claws and language becoming a marine           
Cudden have put it better.   :evillaugh:  And so true about their coats. 

And Gill's right - you've done a great job with all three.  It may be unconventional, and maybe not the sunshiniest scenario you'd have envisioned for these cats, but as Lyn has said about the Cat Mansion - we all know you could have a house the size of Buckingham Palace, and it still wouldn't solve the cat issues we have in this country let alone anywhere else. 

Whereas for those 3 cats in your care, you're making a real difference.  The best of all worlds, would be if they could learn to get along in the same house, even if it meant they moved around it without close contact with each other.  And you're savvy enough to be able to make the additions to those rooms to keep the cat super-highway moving along. 



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Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 13, 2018, 13:36:15 PM
Thanks for all the points and comments, some food for thought. I won’t bore you, but between the layout of the house, and the logistics dealing with Lucy’s quirks with doors, it would be hard to have them all loose in the house, especially as I can’t touch the girls.

Sue – I really can’t think of any other scenarios for these, nor can I think of any other volunteers who could have them - when we weren’t sure in September if Coco could come round, it was me or put her outside. Liz’s comment is my concern about going to a breed rescue!! I certainly wouldn’t want them to go somewhere I couldn’t vet myself, with the work I’ve done. The girlies (their nickname!) aren’t bothered by other cats, there is a half Siamese on the next street, she was screaming to go in one day last week, and Chanel raced to the window to investigate!! No, a farm life doesn’t feel right. Aww, so glad you are still making progress with your gurlies. As for the other cats you "might foster" but maybe can't in the scenarios you envisage, sometimes we have to commit to those cats who need us the most, whether or not it suits our preferences.  Only you can decide whether that's Lucy, Coco and Chanel.  We never know how long we have the cats who are with us and in our care.  However much we plot, plan and propose, life often throws the unexpected in our path, and it's how we deal with that which counts for the cats in question. that is so very apt, Lucy has to come first in this situation though, although in the past I have put foster cats above my own. I’m not bothered by it being unconventional, it just has to be right for everyone, especially as I can’t guarantee whether Lucy would ever tolerate them enough to have complete access.

Paula - While Lucy seems to just hiss at other cats these days (although I have seen her hit Sooty on the bum recently!!), when they are in the house, she gets that worked up, I get hit, and I can’t touch her, so not sure how she would like ones living with her. Funnily enough the vet did ask if I thought she would like friends last week!! I could get the inside door mesh system my neighbour used to help introduce the rugrats, that wasn’t too expensive. Like I said, I have been testing the waters recently, she hisses at them and then walks away huffing at herself. Unfortunately an outdoor pen isn't an option Paula, I live in a back to back house so don't even have a back door, much less a garden.

Liz – being able to cope after being inside for so long is part of what makes me reluctant to find a farm type home for them, especially Chanel as she would have been dependent on mum before coming into rescue, so not sure if she would have the hunting instinct. Your comment about the breed rescue is why I’m reluctant to go down that avenue. I certainly wouldn’t want to just give it a go with Lucy, between her temperament and the work I’ve put in dealing with her issues, some of which I suspect have been caused by being confined with other cats. Not sure how easy Zylkene would be, all 3 prefer dry, the girls get RC Calm biscuits and calming treats, although Lucy has to have renal biscuits.

Lyn – yes, sadly I’ve been doing it 14 years at the end of this month, and its worse now than it was then!! The only room I haven’t used to foster is my bedroom, and that’s only so my own cats had a room!! I just don’t know if I am ready to give it up, it’s only been 14 years and over 250 cats/kittens. I’ve always held back on keeping cats, so I could continue to help more, although I am more involved in fundraising at the moment, so would still be volunteering, just in a different way, and the rescue I currently volunteer for have a slightly different take on fostering, they prefer me to look after them till they are ready to be homed, then go up to our ‘centre’ (well, the new place is a barn!!), which I don’t like, although I do the cat home visits, so still know where they are going. I might even find that even when Lucy is no longer here, I can’t take the room off them.

Gill – yes, they are stunning, but I can’t keep them just based on their looks. For me its their temperament that makes them hard to home. Yes, Lucy was diagnosed with hip dysplasia and arthritis in October 16, which is why she had an operation last year, they suspected last year she also has luxating patellas, early stage CKD last March, then Idiopathic hypercalcaemia (IHC) last August, and the treatment for CKD and IHC contradict each other, so its all a balancing act. It would be sad to move them on, but that is the whole point of fostering, to give them whatever they need to be able to move on and have a forever home. The problem in this case is what kind of home would take two semi-ferals who have no issue using claws and teeth, and are technically unhomeable. 
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 13, 2018, 14:32:50 PM



The problem in this case is what kind of home would take two semi-ferals who have no issue using claws and teeth, and are technically unhomeable. 



Hmmmm.  :shify:  There are people out there, but not thick on the ground, it's true. 

Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Liz on June 13, 2018, 14:35:50 PM
Desley your last comment is half of my cats including an unhandlable F2 Bengal my darling Melody she loves cats and kittens., tolerates the dogs and just about tolerates the humans but can be cornered to go to the vet where she is as sweet a pie as she is terrified of being out of her comfort zone

We can now get all ours to the vets with cornering in the catroom its more the chase involved to get them where we want them that would give folks food for thought

A farm is not a place they should go they need someone very understanding who will let them be but love from afar - I do that with my darling Blue feral who still hates us but loves all the other cats after 12 years but if you ignore the hissing he does love his treats and if required an ACP tablet :)
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 13, 2018, 16:34:17 PM
Why don't you try it for a week or so and as my late Husband would say "Suck it and see"?
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 14, 2018, 13:53:01 PM
Yes, there are Sue, but not many, plus pairs have always been harder to home, never mind homes with no other cats. I certainly don’t know many people like you Liz!! You are right, they definitely need someone understanding who will let them be – Chanel was playing peek a boo with me Tue night, last night I was reading their bedtime story and Chanel started playing around, which distracted me, Coco started staring at the book in my hand, as if to say ‘why have you stopped?’ and she relaxes a lot when she is being read to, so they do interact, just not in the normal sense, and both know their names and nicknames (coco bean and cheeky lamb).

Between here and CC, I have come to a decision, which will be to keep them as long term fosters, so they would still be up for homing if the right home came along, but in the meantime I will do everything I can to try and integrate them and make things better for them. My neighbour isn’t convinced they should be up for homing, she doesn’t think it would be fair on them, and that I would find it hard to let them go. I will run it by our manager tomorrow, can’t see her saying no, as my neighbour pointed out, what else can we do with them? We are doing a Zooplus order tomorrow, so will buy some more toys, and maybe do a Purrs order too. Then I will speak to our local handyman about getting a mesh door like my neighbour did to gauge Lucy’s reaction, and look at having an enclosure built so they can have fresh air – not sure Coco would use it, but looking at the paw prints on my window, Chanel would. Now just to decide whether to advertise them or leave it for people to offer a home for the challenging cats.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Misa on June 14, 2018, 21:01:20 PM
SO PLEASED YOU ARE KEEPING THEM AND AMZING HOW THEY ARE STILL IMPROVING.

DONT ADVERTISE THEM PLEASE
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 15, 2018, 01:08:13 AM
I think that you have made the right decision, but I am also with Gill in saying please don't advertise them, I know that they will have prospective homes vetted, but I still think that people are going to see them, fall in love with their looks and not be up for their behavioural problems. Some people know what to say even if they think that they will do things their own way once the cats are in their possession.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 15, 2018, 13:30:14 PM
That has always been my issued Paula, and why I’ve always said any advertising would be done without a picture. We do have an ‘animals needing specialist homes’ page on our website, so doing a story on there for them is an option. I rummaged in the wardrobe last night looking for my fabric tunnel, it appears I’ve thrown that away, but did find a cat tent, so put that up last night for her, and I’m contemplating taking the plastic dog bed they don’t use out of there to make more space and replacing the small scratch post with something a bit more interactive, shame as Lucy has an unused one, but it’s a bit boring, it’s just a wave.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 15, 2018, 19:23:14 PM
Not sure I got the timing right with the rescue, she didn't seem overly enthusiastic and wanted me to wait a couple of months till things have settled down (we are still finishing our move, just finishing building the cat pens), but hoping that was more because she didn't want me to spend money rather than being bothered by me keeping them. She did again suggest splitting, but I'd rather say I was keeping them than let that happen. I've just done a very expensive Zooplus order, new scratch post and toys for them, and will speak to the builder over the weekend - even if it doesn't work out with these, or something amazing comes up, I've always wanted to put an enclosure outside the window for the foster cats, just never thought it was possible.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Misa on June 15, 2018, 22:22:56 PM
WELL DONE ON THE ORDER DESLEY AND HOPE THEY WILL HAVE SOME NEW FUN WITH THE TOYS.

SEEMS TO ME THAT THE RESCUE IS NOT STAYING IN FOCUS AND THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT YOU KEEPING THESE TWO, MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT THO
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 16, 2018, 09:44:29 AM
for some reason, since explaining the dilemma to Coco, she actually seems to be slightly better with me. This morning they'd kicked the blanket off the windowsill, Coco hissed when I went to replace it, so I told her there was no point, I'm only doing this to make things better for them, and she stopped with her mouth open, like she had to contemplate this, then shut her mouth. I'll have another chat with the rescue when we aren't quite as under pressure fundraising wise, but I don't want to wait that long to start putting things in place, it wouldn't be fair on the girls. I think there is just so much going on Gill, we are opening next week and haven't finished building the cat pens yet, so she doesn't know if she's coming or going.
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 21, 2018, 13:43:24 PM
Spoke to builder, my enclosure will cost more than my neighbours as he will need to hire an access tower, and I want stronger mesh than she went for, but he said he’d clean out my gutters for free while he was doing it!! Just debating at the moment whether I can get a cat flap installed in the window. Most of the toys, the new scratch post and shelf have arrived, but I Want to clean the room before putting them in. Just waiting for the stuff from Purrs now, so Sunday’s job will be re-arranging things in the room for them.

Our trustee thinks we may be able to get the cost covered by a grant we are applying for, not sure if she needs any text to explain, but have written this, what do you think?

Last September, PAWS took in a mum cat, who the vets asked us if we wanted to ear tip as she was wild there, but we wanted to give her a chance in a home environment to see if she could be homed as a pet cat. 3 weeks later, the people who had asked us for help with the mum asked us to take in the kitten they had kept, as she was too wild for them, so we took her too, and both were placed with a fosterer to bring them round. They are quite content indoors and spent most of the winter snoozing in a bed under the radiator, so it would be unfair to put them back outside (and the ‘kitten’ may not have the skills to fend for herself, after spending the majority of her life inside), but they will still growl, hiss and draw blood if you get too close, so they need someone who is willing to give them the space and love they need, accepting they may never be able to touch them. As these homes aren’t easy to come by, the fosterer has proposed to keep them as long term foster cats, so if someone perfect comes along we have the option to home them, but will do everything she can to enrich their environment in the meantime, which is why we are applying for a grant to build an enclosure outside their room, so they have some outdoor space, and the extra stimulation that comes with that, as they are too nervous to be given unlimited outdoor access. 
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Misa on June 22, 2018, 18:34:05 PM
I THINK THATS PURRFECT DESLEY
Title: Re: Meet Coco and Chanel
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 22, 2018, 19:08:24 PM
Sounds good to me Desley. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: