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Title: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 04, 2017, 15:28:29 PM
My amazing Frankenstein has been hit by a car. Neighbor saw it happen (he went under both sets of wheels) and came and got me. Luckily all my neighbors are fantastic and we found him and got him to the vet within 15-20 minutes of the accident.

Initially we were super worried about a brain injury as one of his pupils turned to a slit and the other went super wide, and after I found him he just lay down and wouldn't move his back end. He was also in shock and struggling to breath.

The vet has called me, she is confident that it is an eye injury not a brain injury as he is awake and aware and not showing any of the signs of head trauma and is off oxygen which is a relief, however his pelvic isn't great. She's done initial xrays and they suggest a big injury where the bone has moved, possibly blocking his rectum and potentially doing some damage to organs. She is going to contact the specialist tomorrow and they will probably put him out to do some proper xrays so they can see the damage and what they will do with it. On the plus side he is flicking his tale at her so hopefully no nerve damage. In the meantime I've been advised to check my insurance policy to see how much he is covered for.

I'm in pieces, Frankenstein is an amazing creature. He looks after me when I'm sad, when my partner is away for work (like he currently is)Frankie wont leave me side for long. He looks after our younger cat, Trixie who as a result of Toxoplasmosis has never grown up. I just want him to come home safe. Words can't express how much he means to me.

Has anyone experienced a pelvic injury on a cat? I dont' even really know the extent of the injury as the vet said sometimes tiny fractures heal themselves, but then started talking about the bone moving. That sounds like the xray was a little vague, right?
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on June 04, 2017, 15:36:07 PM
I'm afraid I have no experience of this type of injury, I just wanted to say how sorry I am to hear the news. I can imagine how you're feeling, but you got him to the vet very quickly so he has the best possible chance of a full recovery.

Wishing Frankenstein a very speedy recovery. And lots of  :hug: for you.

Please let us know what the vet says tomorrow.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 04, 2017, 15:56:50 PM
I'm so sorry.  I've no experience of this type of injury, but am sending every good vibe for you both and hoping you can get the information you need.  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 04, 2017, 16:06:37 PM
I'm so sorry.  I've no experience of this type of injury, but am sending every good vibe for you both and hoping you can get the information you need.  :hug:

Same as that I am afraid, but sending lots of get well vibes to Frankenstein. :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: Great name BTW. :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 04, 2017, 17:44:16 PM
I am so sorry that your beloved Frankie has been injured  :(

I have no experience with pelvic injuries in cats. However, my lovely Chivers was run over many years ago. He was very poorly and we thought we might lose him  :'( However, despite losing a leg and breaking his jaw in 2 places, he recovered very well and we had the joy of his presence for another 17 years afterwards. Don't give up hope!  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 04, 2017, 18:23:00 PM
Thanks everyone. Had the final catch up with the vet for the night. His condition hasn't changed which is good I guess. The surgery closed at 5pm and someone will do a regular check at 9-10pm. Vet hasn't booked him any extra checks during the night which I'm guessing is a good sign. If there was internal bleeding it would make itself know by now surely? Apparently his gums are still nice and pink and he is as alert and relaxed as he could possibly be.

If I've not heard from them by 10am tomorrow I'm to call back. Family and friends tell me that its a good sign but I'm not letting myself hope until he's seen the specialist.

Vet asked me to check our policy to see what he was covered for so she knew how much we had to play with (guessing this would effect the surgery he would have). It's £4k which will hopefully be enough for them to do what they need to to get him home. Lyn, do you mind me asking if your Chivers was insured and what region the bill was from the accident? I'm so worried that his life might be in the balance just because of money.

Home doesn't feel right. Trixie knows somethings happened and is playing up (still hissing at me if I go near her). My partner is home now but he's just as upset. Sleepless night for us I suspect, the hours are going so slow.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 04, 2017, 19:06:51 PM
I've got no experience with this, but fingers crossed for him
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: girlinleeds on June 04, 2017, 19:34:32 PM
No experience but huge hugs hope he's better soon
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sootyca on June 04, 2017, 19:59:01 PM
 :hug: :hug:

I've no experience either but wanted to pop in to say I hope you get good news tomorrow.  Cats (and indeed most animals) are far more resilient than we give them credit for.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: heather sullivan on June 04, 2017, 22:32:37 PM
Poor Frankie but great that he was found and got to the vets quickly. I have heard cats can recover from pelvic injuries in time.  Watching Supervet on and off over the years he has done amazing work on cats with fractures - and put them back together again. Hopefully he will feel better soon and recover :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 04, 2017, 23:08:41 PM
From what I have seen of Supervet 4K would get him  to Noel Fitzpatrick's surgery and sorted by him or one of his team. His vital signs sound really good. As you said pink gums etc. point to no internal bleeding. Thinking of you all. Everything crossed that Frankie will be okay. :care: :care: :care:

Frankie :blow kiss: :blow kiss: :blow kiss:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2017, 05:38:49 AM
Just checking in to say I hope you'll get positive news today.  Sending healing vibes for Frankie and for you  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 05, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Sending lots of love and hoping that you get some good news about Frankie today  :hug:

It is 24 years since Chivvy had his accident  :Crazy: He was not insured and the £400 he cost us at the time was a considerable amount of money for us. Hubby was reluctant to spend the money but I pretty much insisted  :evillaugh: I guess these days he might not have needed to lose the whole leg (he had a 'degloving' injury) but he did really well and lived to be 19. I really hope that Frankie does equally well  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 05, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Morning all

I briefly spoke to the nurse today as the vet was in surgery. Frankie had a good night, his eye is looking better so hopefully there is no brain damage or any permanent harm to it. They've sent the x-rays to the specialist hospital and the vet will call me in the next hour to go over them. The nurse said she will need to examine his bladder before she calls me so I'm guessing he hasn't peed in the night which is a worry. Hopefully the breaks wont have caused any internal damage and it's just a matter of sticking it all back together. Really hoping this is the case.

Boss sent me home from work when I told her. Apparently I look like  :censored: which is not surprising as I haven't slept. Trixie was up fussing all night calling for Frankie and she is still walking from room to room calling :( totally heart breaking.

Told the nurse how much the insurance covered him for and she didn't sound like it wasn't enough. The bill they gave me yesterday for a few x-rays and drugs was near £700 which is why I'm worried the 4k wont be enough. She did say we need to bring the forms etc up later today so am hoping we can do it when my partner is home from work so he can see Frankenstein as he is super worried. Have a feeling we might need to take him to the specialist hospital for surgery as everything so far sounds like the vets aren't sure about the op.

Please keep sending positive vibes, want to bring my boy home soon xxx
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2017, 11:27:35 AM


Morning treasure.  Still a very worrying time for you. 

Our neighbour's cat was involved in an RTA and had, amongst other injuries, a broken tail.  He was also incontinent as a consequence of the tail injury and related damage.  However, although the prognosis initially given wasn't looking great, over the space of the next week he made steady progress, and the incontinence improved significantly.  He's fine now, apart from a kink in his beautiful lemur-like tail and a slightly uneven gait when he walks.

However, if Frankie hasn't peed, they may consider putting in a catheter, depending what else may be going on.

Moray had an accident (kicked or a car - they couldn't quite decide) 18 months ago, and he initially presented with both pupils wide and dilated.  He has lost vision in his worst affected eye, and if you approach him unexpectedly from that side he flinches, but thankfully it wasn't a brain injury.  You may find in the next few days Frankie's pupils return to a more normal size.  It took about a month for Moray's worst pupil to return to normal. 

Try not to pre-judge the situation with the insurance.  Is your veterinary surgery one of the franchise chains, or are they independent?   Just my experience, but independents tend to be much more reasonable in terms of charges.  keeping everything crossed here, and keeping the "Healing Frankie" vibes strong.   May you soon have him home, and on the road to recovery.  Each new day is a gift.  :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Dawn F on June 05, 2017, 11:32:15 AM
its very early days and as sue says he will likely improve over the coming weeks

re the money, not sure if your vet is the same but mine charges considerably more than normal at the weekends  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 05, 2017, 12:14:30 PM
Thanks guys :)

I've spoken to the vet who has said much the same as the nurse. He hadn't peed over night but when they were examining his bladder (which is intact from what they can feel) he was able to go the bathroom. Hopefully this means it's just that it's too painful for him to stand up and go on his own rather than there being any damage. There is still a possibility that the break is blocking his back passage as well as there has been no 'movement' there. He is wafting his tail around and I think she mentioned he was supporting himself when they examined him so hopefully no nerve damage to his legs and ability to walk.

When we got him to the vet, one eye was super wide and the pupil of the other was so closed you could barely see it. The same eye was also bulging out and the concern was a) the eye itself and b) was it suggesting something going on in the brain. The pupil has opened up and the swelling has gone down so hopefully the eye is OK and we don't need to be concerned about it.

The vet he is with at the moment is an independent I think, but I don't know about the specialist hospital they have been in touch with. The bill we got yesterday was broken down into examination/consultation £40, General (IV, nursing and oxygen) at £379, Medications £45 and x-rays at £234. There was nothing on it about a higher weekend rate but the practice is known for being a bit pricey, but worth it.  We're going to see him at 3pm and they should have heard back from the specialist hospital by then with whether it can be operated on and how much it will cost. A quick google suggests between £1,000 - £2,000 but given how high this first bill was I'm concerned. The insurance documents I have say that we need to get the vets to invoice E&L but the vet said a lot of vets wont do it as they take a long time to pay out to practices, so it might be that we contact E&L and see if we can pay it and claim it back. Captain Credit Card to the rescue!

In the meantime, Trixie has walked into the table and bashed her eye  :Crazy:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
There's a lot of encouraging points there to take heart from, not least of which is his eye and that he's been able to pass urine.  Pooing might take longer to establish, but at this stage there will be a lot of tissue trauma, and the pain from that may as you say be making things difficult.  Rest and pain relief can work miracles, as can time.   :hug: :hug: 

Insurance can often be a minefield to negotiate when you need to make a claim, but here's hoping that yours isn't.

Meanwhile, keeping the vibes for Frankie well and truly topped up, and of course sending some gentle vibes for Trixie, who clearly doesn't want to be left out of things! Bless her paws....  :doh:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 05, 2017, 13:38:21 PM
That’s a reasonable amount for weekend – my old vets out of hours vet charged £100 for a consultation. It is sounding promising at the moment, fingers crossed the specialist vet has good news. Have you spoken to your insurers yet, as E & L are well known for not paying, or making it difficult to get money from them, which will be why the vet won’t deal direct with them.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 05, 2017, 15:29:32 PM
As has already been said, the first signs are promising. :hug: :hug: :hug: Poor Trixie not wanting to be left out! :Luv: Thinking of you all.
Give Frankie a very gentle head rub and a snuggle from me.


Paula.
xxx
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 05, 2017, 16:48:21 PM
Just been to see him. He looked so sorry for himself but when he realised it was me and my OH he started purring and wiggling to get tickles - the muppet even tried to roll over so he could get his belly tickled  :Luv2:

We've got to take him to the specialist for an appointment tomorrow, hopefully they will be able to operate straight away but likely it will be Wednesday. Got to see the x-rays and this is the more impressive one. Have attached a picture I'm sure you all know your anatomy but just in case both sides of the pelvis should look the same. There's a nice piece of bone drifting about but it doesn't look like it's done any damage to the insides. He's also done a couple of poops on his own so it's likely that the difficulties he had earlier are due to it hurting rather than nerve damage.

The specialists have quoted between £2800 - £3000 for the operation and our vet said that every other place she knows that could do it would charge the same. If not more.

He's on too many drugs to see if he has lost any vision, vet suspects he is blind but will keep the eye.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2017, 17:15:20 PM
A pretty impressive X-Ray.  :Crazy:  Gawd love his little paws. 

Glad he's pooped.  :) :hug:

He may still have some limited vision in his eye when things settle down, you never know -  but even if he doesn't he should do well enough.  Am hoping they will be able to do the op as soon as possible.   We know how agonising it will be for you while you wait for things to happen. 

How lovely that he was purring and looking for his Mum's touch.   :Luv:  Again, keeping the vibes for Frankie well and truly topped up, and sending soothing thoughts for you too, because right now, your emotions are likely all over the place. 
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 05, 2017, 19:26:34 PM
If the worst thing he comes out with is a dodgy eye and a limp I will be the happiest cat mummy in the world. It's made me feel so much better seeing him more alert and trying to move. Unfortunately, because my partner didn't see how he was, he was really shocked seeing him and got a bit upset in the car.

Our younger cat is a bit lost at the moment. She spent a good part of the day walking from room to room calling for him. Now she wont leave my partner alone, totally glued to his side on the couch. She's never been on her own before but I'm not sure there is much we can do but give her lots of fuss and love.

Thank you for your kind words and support. Last night I barely slept (watched three series of Black Adder before eventually drifting off) and and am now feeling it badly. Got a glass of wine and will be amazed if I make it past 8pm.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2017, 19:33:33 PM
A good night's rest is what you all need.   :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 05, 2017, 19:47:54 PM
So glad he was alert, and has poo'd. Waiting till Wed for surgery might not be a bad thing, let things settle. Shame you can't explain to Trixie
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 06, 2017, 07:18:42 AM
Morning treasure.  Thinking of you, Frankie, Trixie and your OH too, and hoping that Frankie's night has been comfortable.  Sending lots more soothing thoughts and healing vibes for Frankie's recovery.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Dawn F on June 06, 2017, 09:27:30 AM
glad he has been to the loo, fingers crossed for the op, I'm sure it will all be fine  :hug:  I always have to pay the vet and claim the money back, my vet won't deal direct with insurers
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on June 06, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Well, at least you know more about what you're dealing with, which is far better than not knowing and imagining the worst.


Good luck with the specialist, I hope they can do the op today and don't keep Frankie in longer than necessary.


And try and get some sleep!  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 06, 2017, 11:00:35 AM
Thanks for the update, I'm very glad to hear that Frankie has pooped - even more so that he was clearly so pleased to see you  :)

I'm sorry you OH was upset by seeing Frankie's injuries. As you say, he looked worse than this when you first saw him, so you will be feeling relieved at the improvement, whereas your OH is reeling at the damage  :hug:

Is it worth trying one of the 'plug in's to see if that helps calm Trixie? Or even Zylkene, I know some peeps here swear by it!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 06, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
I'm a huge fan of Zylkene, myself.  Definitely worth a try, and useful for Frankie when he returns home too.  It'll help him settle, and subject to the vet's approval, shouldn't interfere with any medication he may be on.

That's exactly right Lyn.  Sassybot's had an opportunity to adjust somewhat to Frankie's injuries, whereas Mr Sassybot hasn't yet, but he will.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 06, 2017, 17:16:52 PM
Afternoon everyone :)

Frankenstein has had a busy old day. My OH picked him up at 8am and took him to the specialist hospital. He had just had his pain killers so was nice and comfortable during the journey (rush hour in Manchester, yay), although he doesn't really like travelling in cars and he did make that well known.

I got a call about an hour ago from the vet. They have done an operation and it was successful, which was a bit of a shock as Tim said they'd call me if they were going to do anything but never mind. Frankie is fine and recovering well. There is some good and some not so good news. There was actually no major break on the right side of his pelvis and he has good voluntary movement and sensation.The left leg isn't great, with no movement or sensation at all. Three things come come from this; the nerves etc are fine it's just too sore and difficult for Frankie to bother trying to move, the nerves etc are very damaged but will improve over time, or he has lost a significant amount of movement and sensation in that leg if not all of it. Given that the fracture area was on a nerve bundle it's difficult to say what will happen so we have to be prepared that losing his leg is a possibility.

The good thing about the right side not being broken is that we don't have to have the quality of life conversation which is a relief. The operation on the left was tricky and Frankenstein (true to his name) now has a lot of metal in him; one plate and five screws. He had also broken the wing of the vertebrae that connects the spine to the pelvis but it's not really an issue.

The vet also said that we have to be mindful that with these types of accidents whilst the cat may be looking better, we don't always know what is going on and there is still a chance he will go, which is why it's wise for Frankie to stay in the specialist hospital until Friday at the least. Hopefully on Thursday we'll know if he can come home on Saturday or if he needs a few more days. Once he's home it's cage rest for six weeks and then we should know more about this left leg.

We aren't allowed to go and see him as when he sees us, he just wants to cuddle and play (he was playing 'biff the wiggling fingers' with my OH in the waiting room  :shify: ) and the next few days it's really important he stays very still.

Regardless of what happens to his left leg he is a very lucky pussy cat and will be getting lots of cuddles until he is better and then I'll throttle him!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 06, 2017, 17:53:23 PM
 :phew: :phew:  There's so much more of the positive than the negative in your update, Sassybot, and you must be feeling a lot more reassured.  Even if worst case scenario he lost a leg, cats can cope much better with the loss of a leg than with the loss of a tail.  :hug: :hug:  There are a lot of us on here who either have, or know of cats with, three legs who do just fine, and lead happy well-adjusted lives.  As you say, much to be thankful for.  Far better he gets his rest and a chance of being kept as still as possible for the next few days to give everything a chance to knit and heal and repair than to get him home "too soon" (though of course we know it can't be "soon enough")

Sending more vibes to our gorgeous Frankie, and hoping Trixie is feeling better now too after bashing into the table.   :cat rub: :cat rub:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 06, 2017, 18:54:19 PM
As Sue says, there is a lot of positivity there, fingers crossed he is just too sore on that leg
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 06, 2017, 20:48:52 PM
Four legs or three, just as long as he is home safe.

Noticed Trixie has pulled some fur off from her back end, think it might be stress? Going to do some reading into diy/cheap ways to keep her entertained whilst I'm at work and Frankie is in the cage. She was very excited to see me but seems a bit frustrated and crabby today. Perhaps it could be the terrible weather we're having, wind is super noisy.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 07, 2017, 07:02:49 AM
Morning Sassybot.  Just wanted to top up the "Frankie-take-it-steady-lad" vibes  and send healing snoozles from Moray Da Mint, Malty Da Minx and Barley Black-stockings.   :cat rub: :catlove2: :cat rub:

As for Trixie, yes it does sound like it could well be stress related.   Can't recommend highly enough plug-ins such as Pet Remedy, and Zylkene sprinkled on her food.  It's a non prescription food supplement which is regarded like a miracle worker in our house and by many others on here who've used it successfully.

Is Trixie food motivated?  If so, making her something where she has to work to get cat treats from it could be a good distraction for her.

Some good ideas on this link too

https://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/clearing-the-air/2014/02/5-ways-to-entertain-your-indoor-cat/

Worth bearing in mind that when Frankie first comes home, Trixie may be a little afraid of him - he may smell "odd" to her, so you could perhaps do some blanket swapping now, to get her used to his new scent.  I suspect the weather isn't helping, but she'll also have picked up on your worry and stress, and that of your OH.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 07, 2017, 13:19:10 PM
Also topping up good vibes and wishing all of you the best, as well as Zylkene, which has worked wonders on my gang, I also found the beaphar calming spot on drops very useful.

The news does seem to be cautiously optimistic, I am so pleased for you, your OH, Frankie and Trixie. :hug: :hug: :hug:

But don't you think that throttling Frankie is sort of missing the point of getting him better? ;)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 07, 2017, 17:01:11 PM
Thanks every, I'll look into Zylkene especially for Trixie who is a little pest. She is very food motivated so I was thinking of making some sort of ball that she has to biff to get the food out of. We did buy one but it wasn't challenging enough and the treats came out with one whack.

Called the vets this morning for a check up. Nurse said he is bright and alert, recovered nicely from the op and they have no real concerns. The vet had left a message saying he would call me this evening and I'm hoping we can get a better idea as to when he will be home. Meant to be taking my OH to an airshow this weekend as a belated birthday present. I've already cancelled the hotel but we can still go on the day, unless Frankie is home and then my OH will need to ask a friend to go with him. Bad timing Frankenstein!

Woke up in the night and realised Frankie wasn't there, made me think about how long it will be until he's actually going to be able to have cuddles. Proper sad but at least one day we will have cuddles. As much as I complain about it I do miss him creeping into bed and playing with my hair as he falls asleep.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 07, 2017, 19:36:22 PM
Glad things are sounding positive, strange the small things we miss. Hope you get more good news from the vet this evening 
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 07, 2017, 22:47:46 PM
It sounds as if things are going well  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 08, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
What a lovely phrase to hear from a veterinary professional:  "No real concerns"  :hug: :hug:

I hope you can make the Air Show, but if not, am sure your OH will still enjoy it with a friend.  No doubt having Frankie home will more than compensate.  It tends to focus our minds when we come close to losing something - or someone - precious to us.   :hug:

So know what you mean about the midnight visits.  Moray loves to slip under the duvet with us - especially if he's cold and wet.   :evillaugh:  He favours my side of the bed, and likes to lie with my right arm circling his body, and his head resting on my hip - though sometimes he likes to treadle on my tummy first.   Weird though it sounds, it may sometimes be a shock to a slumbering system, and a tad painful if he catches bare skin, but the absence of those visits would grieve me far more.

We used to have a little golden beauty of a cat (okay, he was quite big really) and from being a kitten, he used to suckle on my right ear lobe.  If he came in in the middle of the night, he would soothe himself to sleep by lying against me, and making good use of my ear.   :shy:  We lost him to the roads, unfortunately, and sometimes I dearly wish he could still snuggle with me in the night.

Frankie, sending you super strength healing vibes from me and da puds at Padtowers.  Also sending gentle vibes for Trixie. Can't be having Trixie feeling left out.   ;) :cat rub: :cat rub: :catlove2:

Sassybot, have a look at the Cat Gallery site for some toy ideas you might be able to adapt to make your own version.

http://www.thecatgallery.co.uk/?gclid=CK2i_fHHrdQCFQadGwod3mQBpA

Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on June 08, 2017, 10:05:32 AM
Morning Sassybot, I hope Frankie continues to "recover nicely" from the op and that he's home soon. Also hope you've managed to get some sleep!


Lots of healing purrs and snoozles from us. :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 08, 2017, 12:57:48 PM
Guess who is coming home tomorrow :D

Got to call up at 10am tomorrow just to make sure he hasn't had a funny turn or anything and to arrange a time, but the note from the vet was super positive. Frankie is doing very well, very bright and alert, really good pelvis alignment when he moves himself. He's found his hunger (though only taking food from the same nurse) and they are certain he is peeing voluntarily which is fab. Vet said he is clearly very unhappy with his surroundings and is still calling for us so the best thing is to get him home as soon as it is safe so he will start relaxing. Am so excited!

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We used to have a little golden beauty of a cat (okay, he was quite big really) and from being a kitten, he used to suckle on my right ear lobe.

Our other cat does similar, she climbs on my chest and licks and nibbles at my neck - have even had a hickey from her! Trixie is still very down; she wanders from room to room most of the day and night although the calling isn't as frequent. She has had us up most mornings at about 4am scratching at the carpet near Frankie's bed which is super sweet but super annoying. Am making her a puzzle feeder tonight and will check that link out for more ideas. Hopefully even though he can't play, having Frankie home will calm her down a a bit as she's a bit of a nightmare right now,
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Dawn F on June 08, 2017, 13:07:36 PM
great news that he is coming home, hope they both settle quickly and he gets back to himself soon
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on June 08, 2017, 13:35:16 PM
Fantastic news, way to go Frankie!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 08, 2017, 13:38:38 PM
That's great news, I'm sure he will be much happier when he is home - if possible, two cages linked would be better for him
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 08, 2017, 14:09:56 PM
That is such good news, very happy for you all. :Luv: :wow:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 08, 2017, 16:22:28 PM
That's great news, I'm sure he will be much happier when he is home - if possible, two cages linked would be better for him

I asked if we could and they've said just the one. After two/three weeks he can have 15 minutes room access. Then we build it to an hour. Then at about four weeks he can have room access when we are home (no stairs obs). He's got to realise that the cage is for not moving in apparently and the more room you give them the more active they'll try and be.

Found out that he is quite placid with most people at the hospital but hisses at the two nurses with strong scouse accents.The only person he has met with a scouse accent is my mum and I can't wait to tell her :D  :rofl:

Thank you all for your support. This has been a truly horrible week and knowing people are there and care has really made it a bit easier.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 08, 2017, 19:21:17 PM
Yeah, that makes sense, although doesn't always stop them - Buster needed cage rest when he had his kidney removed, they did some exploratory stuff at the same time so his wound was from belly button to groin, and every night he stood on his back legs trying to dangle from the top of the cage!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: heather sullivan on June 08, 2017, 20:36:12 PM
Really pleased to hear Frankie is coming home tomorrow :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Cloveart on June 08, 2017, 21:27:22 PM
I've arrived late, but I'm thinking of you and your kitty.

As a child, we (my family) had a cat killed by a motorist. An elderly lady on the opposite side of the road would, completely unnecessarily, put food out for the neighbourhood cats. They were tempted to cross the dangerously fast road and were hit by cars. She probably meant well, but if only she had known what she was doing. Forty odd years later and I still haven't recovered.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 09, 2017, 06:56:05 AM
Oh Cloveart, I can imagine.  We've lost 5 cats to road accidents, and whatever the circumstances, it's always highly distressing.

Sassybot, am thinking whilst it's a shame you won't get to go to the Airshow, having Frankie home will mean a world of difference to all of you, and especially Trixie, who's been missing her companion.  How lovely that she's also a suckler.   :Luv: :Luv:

I'm guessing today will feel a bit like Christmas Day in your house.  :) :hug:

Now Frankie - lissen gud.  Ma babies are saying yoo gotta be gud, an not does too much.  Gots ter taek it eezee, ok?  :-: :-:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 09, 2017, 07:58:45 AM
Oh gosh how terrible for you both :( What is worse is that it's not the law to stop if you hit a cat which just isn't fair - how are dogs any better animals?

We were looking to buy our first home and move soon but this has spurred us on. When we first saw our house it was in the evening and the again on a Saturday morning. I asked the estate agents if the road was busy because of Frankie and she lied and said it wasn't. Day after we moved in we were talking to our neighbours who informed us that the previous occupant had moved because two of her cats had been killed by people speeding. What are you meant to do though? Costs a small fortune to move even between rented homes and Frankie is an outdoor cat, he doesn't go far but he does like outside so we couldn't keep him in. This road would be a lot safe if people did the speed limit but they don't and I'm actually worried that it will be a kid next as there is a school not a three minute walk down from us. But anyway, rant over :p

I'll let myself get excited about him coming home when they confirm it for certain at 10am. Until then I'm trying not to :)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Dawn F on June 09, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
we cat proofed the garden after looking lovely algie on the road, I know not everyone agrees with it but we feel happier and the cats get to see the outside world albeit a smaller world than they otherwise might
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 09, 2017, 08:22:10 AM
There's no easy answer to that one, alas.  Where we used to live, we had a busy main road out the front, and a Metro line directly to the rear.  We moved to this house for the cats, and it's semi rural with a huge field out the back.  The road however is a rat run twice a day, and that's the difficulty.  It's also become so much faster and busier in the 16 or so years we've lived here, so you can move to a quiet area and it can become much busier than you anticipate.

Cats' habits are to traverse roads and hedgerows, and even country cats fall prey to the roads miserably regularly.  The most successful cats at surviving traffic have been shown to be cats who live in cities and large conurbations.  They become streetwise, and often use parked cars to shelter from traffic.  Still a terrifying thought. 

Cat proofing my garden would be my preferred option, but at our current house it's not feasible,  and OH isn't in favour, as he believes cats should roam at will.  I can see his point, but I'd still prefer the middle way.

Anyway.  Hoping that the next hour and a half passes swiftly for you and Trixie and your OH.  :)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Dawn F on June 09, 2017, 08:46:46 AM
yes our cat when we lived in our flat in London roamed free day and night for 14 years!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 09, 2017, 14:54:08 PM
We used to live in on the outskirts of Manchester City and Frankie never came close to an accident. That's where he got his 'look left look right' routine from.  Now we're in the countryside (ish) you get some right idiots speeding. A little bit of me is hoping he doesn't want to go out so much after this but I know that even if he loses his leg he'll still want to go out.

Only a few hours to go, am getting a bit nervous about getting him home. He cries like crazy on car journeys.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 09, 2017, 16:48:40 PM
When we brought Chivvy home after his accident, the vet said he would probably be much more cautious if he was able remember what had happened. Our problem was that he had cleary sustained a head injury, as evidenced by his broken jaw, so he might well have had amnesia of the time around the event. I hope Frankie remembers just enough to make him cautious in future!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 10, 2017, 17:25:19 PM
He's always been super cautious that's why my neighbour saw it happen; she had a friend over and stopped to say 'watch this' as Frankie went to cross. It's just a shame some people think doing 60 in a 30 around blind bends is acceptable.

More importantly, Frankenstein is home <3 He was super brave in the car and didn't fuss or cry. We had a little accident when he first came home. The plan was to leave him in the carrier for a bit to get used to smells before transferring him to the crate. My OH had locked Trixie out of the front room but she was making such a fuss and noise it was dreadful. Ended up putting Frankie in the crate but he freaked a little and fell over, cried out (his painkillers must have been wearing off as the last lot was at lunch and it was 6ish by then) and had a pee everywhere. Calmed him down but because she could hear him Trix renewed her efforts to get in. Suddenly Frankie must have realised and started calling back to her, cute little reassuring chirps  :Luv2:

Anyway, let Trixie come in but I think a combination of big old cage, weird smelling Frankie and the stress of the last few days must have got to her as she was hissing every time she walked past and going for Tim and I if we went near the cage. Bought a plug in thing today and it seems to have calmed her down which is a relief. She came down after her late afternoon nap, investigated the cage then came over to me for a tickle. Wonder if this plug in will help her early morning scratching?

Frankie is taking his meds really well and is vanishing any food we put down for him. He's moving the leg which is amazing but there is no strength in there so he cant really work. As a result he's essentially peeing where he is lying, his poor fur is covered in it but there isn't much we can do without stressing him out. Got some puppy pads down which will hopefully soak it up next time it happens. He didn't seem keen on me this morning (I've been playing nurse so not surprised) but I got chirps and kisses this afternoon. He seems much brighter today than last night but he is so snoozy.

He was a little naughty in the night and pulled the plaster covering the wound off. Am pretty impressed as the vet said in a week I'll need to use olive oil to take it off.

I know he is poorly so I shouldn't tease him but he does look so daft with no fur! They have shaved half way down his leg so he looks like he's got a fluffy slipper on too  :evillaugh:
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Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 10, 2017, 18:06:11 PM
Bless his heart.  There are idiots everywhere.

Yes, I thought the reintroduction might be a little tricky but sounds like it's actually gone well, all things considered.

The puppy pads are a great idea.  If his tummy been shaved they can get urine burn on their skin so that will help keep him drier. 

They're both beautiful cats.    :Luv2:

I suspect when he's mended he will want to go out again, but as you say, he may have more caution. 

You must be so pleased to have him home, but anxious too now he's on your nursing watch.   :hug: :hug:  Don't forget zylkene as well as the plug ins.

Sending noodles for Frankie. Xxx
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 10, 2017, 23:08:59 PM
Awww, brave ikkul solja!  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 10, 2017, 23:15:13 PM
Noodles ?  Shudda  read snoozles
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: alisonandarchie on June 10, 2017, 23:51:21 PM
SO PLEASED TO HEAR HE IS SAFELY HOME :hug:

ALSO GLAD TO SEE HE HAS HAD A FURRY VISITOR :Luv:

WISHING HIM ALL THE BEST :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 12, 2017, 06:39:41 AM
Morning Sassybot.  How are your furry family this morning, and how did the weekend go?  I believe you were on your own, as your OH was enjoying a weekend away.  Hope all is well.   :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 12, 2017, 20:19:15 PM
Hey, sorry it's been a busy few days! Am desperate for a break as this year has been relentless.

Frankie is doing well but is in the dog house. He managed to get out of the cone of shame and chewed out most of the stitches  :censored: The cone of shame has now been upgraded so it clips onto his collar and he is looking super sorry for himself. Luckily the wound is healing fast and doesn't need extras as long as we can keep him off it. I'm guessing its a combination of boredom and the cut starting to itch as it heals but I can't wait for the end of the week; remaining stitches come out and no more pain killers.

He's still using the tray but I haven't seen him do it so no idea how he is getting about. A positive is that he has started pushing himself up to change positions where as previously he was just wiggling. He even sat up for a few minutes earlier. Every day there have been small improvements so I'm quietly hopeful that we will get him walking to some degree. Once his stitches are out I'm going to start massaging and manipulating the leg so that's an extra reason to look forward to the end of the week.

As we speak he is 'making biscuits' on the blanket in the crate <3
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 12, 2017, 20:33:46 PM
Naughty boy, pulling at his stitches. Glad he is doing well though
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 12, 2017, 23:53:42 PM
So sorry, not caught up for a couple of days. It sounds as if norty Frankie is doing very well. Trixie is a lovely flooffy girl as well. :Luv: If she ever goes missing you can track her down to Worthing, along with Suzanne's Mosi. :naughty: I do love flooffy cats. :Luv2:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 13, 2017, 05:43:53 AM
 :shify:  Ain't nobuddy getting ma floofy cat.   :shify:

Bless Frankie.  He's probably bored but does sound like he's getting steadily better each day.  Roll on the weekend, eh?   :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on June 13, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
It's good to hear Frankie's progressing well. Poor thing must be bored and confused, I'm sure he'll perk up come the weekend.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 13, 2017, 17:13:46 PM
Thanks for the update. It's good to hear that your boy is doing well - even if it does lead to a bit of nortiness  ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 13, 2017, 20:00:16 PM
So I've just seen Frankie walk for the first time :)

I knew he had been doing it because he had been using the litter tray but he's being super sneaky. Noticed him trying to see if he could stretch to the tray, then when he couldn't he got up and hopped over. He's holding the left leg scrunched up (think flamingo) and hoping on the right leg. He did try and scratch the litter with the left leg after he 'went' but it must have been too hard. I've seen him stretch the leg out to clean it so he can do it, it must just been too sore or stiff to move like that whilst in a different position with weight on it.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 13, 2017, 22:48:51 PM
It does sound as if he is improving. Bless you all. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 14, 2017, 05:43:33 AM
My goodness, Frankie's a little trooper!!!  How is Trixie?  Is she settling any better now Frankie's home?
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 14, 2017, 22:20:56 PM
Evening all :)

Little fella keeps improving every day. Today he is trying to walk with the leg extended and even put some weight on it for a few moments whilst he used the tray. He's also started really fighting us when we try and get the pain killers down him, have decided to drop the lunch time one tomorrow and see how he gets on as the vet said he may not need it. He's also managed to pull some stitches out despite the cone which is impressive - down to two now and they come out on Friday.

This evening Frankie actually sniffed at the cage and meowed (briefly) to get out. Not looking forward to when he is more mobile but still has to be kept in the crate. Going to be noisy.

Trixie came for mega snuggles last night, was so comforting to a) get kitty snuggles and b) see her a bit happier. She's still hissing and swiping at me sometimes but it's mostly food related so I can cope with that. Have concluded that upping the amount of treats they can have sorts them both out
 :p Before she was side galloping at the cage then running off when he looked at her. When she gets upset and meows Frankie does little calls that seem to calm her down which is so sweet  :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 14, 2017, 22:34:54 PM
Bless. :Luv: It sounds as if he is doing really well. Their recuperative powers are amazing.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 15, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
So pleased he is doing so well, it is amazing how well they recover from things. Fighting you over meds is a good thing. Can’t believe he’s got more stitches out though!! Glad Trixie is settling down a bit too.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 15, 2017, 14:24:50 PM
So glad to hear that things are going well  ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 15, 2017, 19:54:08 PM
The remaining three stitches come out tomorrow - thank goodness! Cheeky thing can't be trusted without the cone on for a moment. He's been getting clearly bored so I've rigged his fave toy to dangle from the top of the crate for a few minutes.

After stitches come out, does anyone know if he still needs the cone on to stop him licking? My understanding was that by the time the stitches are safe to come out the risk of infection and damage was low but I'm not too sure.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 15, 2017, 20:14:43 PM
I've never known a cat need the cone after stitches have been removed.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 15, 2017, 21:03:51 PM
The surgeon didn't mention keeping it on afterwards, but then he didn't leave the vet's with it on :p

There are only three left (technically only one that's doing it's job, the other two are loose) and the wound is perfectly fine tbh. It's tempting to snip them now and let him be a bit happier without the cone. Must resist though, over night can make all the difference.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 15, 2017, 22:13:41 PM
Just sit on your hands Sassybot, step away from the scissors............. :naughty:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 16, 2017, 14:11:21 PM
Hope the vet appointment goes well today!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 16, 2017, 20:22:35 PM
I was good and left the alone. Have just taken them out (not vet visit needed) and he was a good boy. Watched me do it with no fuss at all. Gave the area a little sniff then ate his dinner. Seems happier to be without the cone :)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 16, 2017, 20:52:06 PM
Am sure he will be much happier without the cone
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on June 16, 2017, 23:24:28 PM
Don't know any cat (or dog) that wouldn't be. :hug: :hug: :hug: Glad that Frankie is doing so well. :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 18, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Morning Sassybot.  How's Frankie doing now the stitches are out?
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 19, 2017, 20:19:18 PM
He's much happier without the stitches and isn't paying the wound anywhere near as much attention which is great. He is also off pain killers now and whilst it's nice to see him more alert its clear that he is uncomfortable. He's less willing to get up and move and hes holding it rather than stretching it out when he tries walking. He can stretch the leg as he does it to clean it, it must just be super sore to walk on.

My OH and I take turns sat next to the crate with him and tickle through the bars. Think he appreciates it but I'm desperate for a massive cuddle.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 20, 2017, 05:39:30 AM
Recovery time will take an equal toll on you both, as much as it does on Frankie.   :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 20, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Recovery time will take an equal toll on you both, as much as it does on Frankie.   :hug:



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Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 20, 2017, 13:02:02 PM
It certainly does Sue, I didn’t appreciate how much till Lucy’s surgery (mind you, didn’t help that the vet was very vague when I asked about recovery – 1 week in one room, then we’ll see – she spent part of the day/night in the kitchen for 6 weeks!!)

I'm surprised they didn't advise to carry on with the Metacam after the painkillers were stopped, Lucy had it for a few weeks after
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 20, 2017, 20:48:49 PM
I'm also surprised about the short period of medication, although it's good to see him more with it. The meds were clearly knocking him out. He's moving a bit more today and is trying to walk properly

Frankie is in the living room so we can talk to him and he can have more company, plus we can lock Trixie out at night. Sadly he can see us and is calling for cuddles if my OH and I cuddle up :(

Not sure this thing has affected me in the same way as Frankenstein but it's not right being without him. He always follows me into the shower (purr-vert) and it's actually quite lonely when I go on my own now. Must admit I don't mind him not trying to sit on my knee when I'm on the loo though!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 21, 2017, 13:22:58 PM
Lucy had to be in the kitchen as she needed room rest, and I have an open plan front room. She was quite good in the beginning and didn’t fuss too much, but after the painkillers were stopped, and she was more alert, that was quite hard, and she was allowed supervised access in the front room, so I was so constantly on edge wondering where she was, what she was doing that I found it really draining. The reason she was on Metacam for longer was because it is an anti-inflammatory as well, so helps with the inflammation round the operation site, which is why I’m surprised he doesn’t have any. I know what you mean about missing things – I’m going to rearrange the bedroom this week so she can start coming back to bed, I’ve really missed that (her op was just before Easter!) - didn't miss her trying to scavenge my tea though!!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 21, 2017, 13:37:27 PM
There is some concern about the use of metacam over a period of time due to possible renal complications, so maybe the vet was just being very cautious in Frankie's case.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 21, 2017, 13:43:35 PM
Lucy was given it despite her pre-op bloods showing very early kidney failure, because of the anti-inflammatory element.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 21, 2017, 15:24:03 PM
I know.  I think it highlights the differences that veterinary practices operate nationally.   I guess it's like some practices use dissolving stitches, others don't.  Some advocate the use of cones and collars following spay and neutering, and others don't. 

I don't think it's anything Sassybot needs to be concerned about, unless Frankie deteriorates or shows signs of increasing pain and immobility.   One of my lost boys, Flynn, used to love to come and sit on the edge of the bath when I was bathing, and play with the bubbles. Until the day he fell in.  As he scrambled out, he dug his claws in to my leg for purchase, and I still to this day bear the slashing scar across my thigh.  Something to remember him by, bless his beautiful paws.   He had the smiliest face I've ever seen on a cat.   :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 21, 2017, 18:11:43 PM
My Stripey used to pace up and down on the side of the bath when I was in - she was like an over-anxious life-guard!  :briggin:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 22, 2017, 13:47:24 PM
My Stripey used to pace up and down on the side of the bath when I was in - she was like an over-anxious life-guard!  :briggin:

That's too funny! Frankenstein just sits with me and looks at me with his big eyes until I splash him :) He always grumbles but never goes away haha

The metacam was the one they wanted him to come off so I'm not too bothered by it. He seems OK now, think I'd rather him be cautious than be a pain killers and think he was invincible. Going to try and call the vets tonight and see if he can come out the cage for a few minutes a day. Think it would be good for him and for us.

Trixie has become super loving recently. Getting the cutest little snuggles in bed and lots of purrs in the day - still hisses at me at feeding time though :p
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 22, 2017, 21:31:09 PM
Guess who came out for a little walk today <3

Out for ten minutes, walked straight(ish) over to me lay down and demanded cuddles. Got to put both my arms around him and fuss him just like he should be fussed. Feel so so better for some loving. In the ten minutes get had about eight minutes of fussing and the rest he walked slowly from the cage to me then from me to the other side of the room. Proper tired him out but I'm so proud to see him try, he's even putting a little weight on that leg although it's clear he doesn't have much control right now.

Am a happy cat mummy right now
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 22, 2017, 21:46:45 PM
You have a good reason to be happy ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 22, 2017, 21:49:57 PM
Aww, that's great news
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 23, 2017, 13:09:39 PM
That's put a real smile on my face, Sassybot.  So pleased he's been out and you've both had some good cuddling.  It's better than any medicine that is.   :wow: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 26, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
How's Frankie been over the weekend?  Any more cuddling?   :)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 26, 2017, 14:47:35 PM
Lots more cuddling :) He sat with us on Sunday getting lots of cuddles and seemingly asleep until you stopped tickling and then you got the evil eye haha. The Vet should be calling today and I'm going to ask about letting him have supervised room access as he is stressing out in the cage - he's even been climbing up it! As long as he is not climbing or being cheeky it might be good for him to have chance to stretch the leg out as he barely uses it in the cage. When he's out the more he tries to put it down as he wanders about.

No chance of him and Trixie meeting up any time soon, she snook in this morning when he was having a stretch and she hissed and swiped at him :( Going to have to wait for him to be strong enough as she'll need putting back in her box.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 26, 2017, 16:06:24 PM
So glad that your lad is doing well and hope the vet allows hjim a bit more freedom  ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 26, 2017, 20:51:33 PM
Aww, that's great news. Do hope the vet let's him have supervised time out
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 27, 2017, 07:25:06 AM
 :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:  So pleased you've been able to get more cuddling in with your gorgeous boy.

Getting him out of the cage if at all possible will be beneficial I think as long as he doesn't start trying to be Action Man.   ;)  Do hope the vet thinks that will be on the cards very soon.

Trixie will need a bit of time to get accustomed to the changes in Frankie since his accident, but I think as his recovery progresses, things between them will settle back down again.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on June 27, 2017, 19:40:14 PM
Bit of bad news today, vet wants to restrict his time out the crate :(

Last night he jumped up on the sofa rather than coming close and meowing for a pick up. His new found confidence plus the odd pain he is getting in his paw have resulted in restriction to no more than ten minutes a day. Vet said that a) he can't be trusted to not be daft, and b) we need to establish where this odd paw pain is coming from. It's unlikely he has harmed the implant which is a relief but I've got to look out for certain signs because if it's a certain nerve causing the pain then it's not good, especially when you combine it with him walking with his paw tucked under.

Got to take the positives though, in two weeks the implant will be fully secure and he can have a lot more freedom. Plus he is totally out of the danger zone for the crushing syndrome which was a big concern. Not quite sure how Frankenstein is going to react to loosing his little bit of freedom but we'll get through it - t-14 days :p
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 27, 2017, 21:30:07 PM
Poor Frankie! It's so hard when we can't explain what is happening and why  :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 27, 2017, 21:30:27 PM
A temporary set back.  A necessary one but as you say, counting down the days xxx
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 27, 2017, 21:42:21 PM
Poor Frankie, but for the best
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 05, 2017, 07:14:36 AM
How's Frankie getting on, Sassybot? 
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 05, 2017, 13:34:11 PM
He's doing really well Sue. I was getting really concerned about him not putting the leg down when walking, but I think he actually just needs a bit more freedom to try. In the crate he doesn't put it down, but the last few nights I've let him out for a bit longer and you can see that the longer he is out the more he is using it. Last night he had been so well behaved whilst out (half an hour and he spent 28 minutes of that curled up on the floor with me) that I left him out whilst I made him dinner. Silly little thing realised what I did and came marching on both legs into the kitchen and stood next to where his bowl normally is. It was so funny. You could see the determined look in his face.

Going to chat to the vet about letting him out the crate when we're in the room as it's been what, five nearly six weeks now. If he was jumping around like a loon I'd be chucking him back in but he's not and whilst he's in the crate he isn't trying to walk on the leg.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 05, 2017, 13:39:10 PM
Aww, glad he is doing well. The vet may allow it if it is close to 6 weeks - they are strict on the 6 weeks, as if they do anything daft in that time, it can cause permanent issues. I would imagine he will have a lot of muscle loss, Lucy did, and she only had room rest.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 05, 2017, 14:05:59 PM
It's so encouraging that when he's out of the crate he's trying to use his leg, but without doing anything reckless.  Bless him - would love to have seen his "determined dinner" face.   :evillaugh:  He's one brave little Sodja  ;)

Everything crossed his recovery continues to go well.  :hug: :hug:  Keep us updated.   :)
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on July 05, 2017, 16:50:39 PM
Very glad to hear that Frankie is doing well  ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 06, 2017, 11:51:17 AM
Very glad to hear that Frankie is doing well  ;D

Me too Sassybot, Bless his little paws, marching on all feet to his dinner bowl. :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 06, 2017, 13:14:14 PM
It was honestly the sweetest, funniest little look I've ever seen. Last night he walked over to the sofa and meowed for a pick up so I popped him on my knee. He was there for half an hour just asleep and purring, melted my heart.

I guess Frankie is just going to have to wait for a few more weeks, its just so hard on him when he just wants to be anywhere other than in the evil cage. Especially since he hates being so close to the litter tray in there. We clear it as soon as he goes but it's just not enough for him. He's always been fussy with the tray :p
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 06, 2017, 13:19:23 PM
It is hard, but you just have to think of the bigger picture
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 06, 2017, 13:33:46 PM
We sympathise.  :hug:   I can think of so many Purrs members who, along with their cats, have faced this challenge for one reason or another over the years.  In many ways I think it's harder for us cat slaves, because we see the piteous looks, and it breaks our hearts.  The temptation is to give in, and let them out, but then we also suffer the worry and agony of thinking "will it be okay?  Will he/she do something which sets them back again."

I think plenty of cuddles are the order of the day, and grit your teeth for the remaining few weeks.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 07, 2017, 07:01:23 AM
Topping up the Frankie snoozles and the "get well soon" vibes.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 10, 2017, 20:55:23 PM
Thank you all for your wishes and vibes. Frankie is still doing well but the leg movement seems to have plateaued. He's taken to put the front of the left thigh onto the back of the right and hops along. I'm starting to get concerned, I know it's early days but still.

Today I was copied into an email from my vet to the insurance company with a list of injuries. There where 15 in total. We were only really told about his pelvis and maybe that he could be blind in one eye. I honestly had to leave the office for a few moments and catch my breath as it is heart breaking. Poor little guy has lost vision in the eye, he severed the optical nerve and it says that he has no vision. Then there are a few broken ribs. broken cheek, cracks in his right/'good' leg, chunk missing from his shoulder blade - which you can actually feel. Just to name some of them.

Am cuddling my little man tightly at the moment...although he wants to go for a sniffing adventure :P
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 10, 2017, 21:00:36 PM
What a shock for you, I am not surprised that you needed a little 'time out'. :care: :care: :care: Poor Frankie. :blow kiss:

Sorry, addled brain from 12+ hours driving today, but maybe worth a phone call mentioning it to your vet, They may be able to give you physio type stretches and exercises for you to do with him. xxx
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 10, 2017, 21:55:04 PM
So sorry to hear his injuries are worse than you thought. I'd definitely speak to the vet about his leg,
I did a home visit the other week, their dog had cruciate ligament surgery and was having laser therapy, might be worth asking the vet about. 
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 11, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Yes, this will have been a tremendous shock for you.  Sometimes the vets only tell us about the main things, but Frankie has had one heck of a time of it by all accounts.  No wonder you just want to cuddle him and keep him safe.  I would also mention the change in movement to the Vet just so they can monitor it.

As for him losing vision in one eye, cats have the most amazing senses - much more heightened awareness than we have, and  his other sense will hone themselves even sharper to compensate.  On an emotional level, of course it hurts to think of what he's suffered, and that he will have residual damage to his vision.  On a practical level, cats cope much better with these kinds of things than we do.  I know that Moray has limited vision in one eye following his accident, but I also know it doesn't hold him back at all. 

Sending lots of gentle snoozles for Frankie from all of us at Pad Towers.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 11, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
Sue is right about the vision. My Pirate has limited/ maybe non existent vision in one eye due to his congenital deformities (hence his name) and it doesn't limit him at all.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on July 11, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
It must have been horrible to read, but Frankie doesn't know he has 15 injuries, he just wants to get on with things!


Cats are amazing creatures - we would be in hospital on heavy duty pain killers with just a fraction of those injuries.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on July 11, 2017, 14:33:12 PM
It must have been horrible to read, but Frankie doesn't know he has 15 injuries, he just wants to get on with things!


Cats are amazing creatures - we would be in hospital on heavy duty pain killers with just a fraction of those injuries.

This is absolutely true, although I understand what a shock it must have been for you to read that!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 11, 2017, 18:41:52 PM
It must have been horrible to read, but Frankie doesn't know he has 15 injuries, he just wants to get on with things!


Completely true. As I type he is meowing to be let out the crate. Can't wait for us to hit six weeks and then I can just let him do what he wants (within reasons). He's started sniffing at the kitchen door when out so it will only be a matter of time before he decides he is fit to explore.

At least at six weeks the vet is certain the implant is completely secure and Frankie wont be able to damage it. Slightly more freedom for him and slightly less stress for us.

The list was such a shock. As you've all said they just told us what we needed to know, and I know Frankie will be OK without vision in one eye but it's still hard. He got a nice big bowl of fishies to make up for it.

On the plus side, the insurance have our claim!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Frances on July 11, 2017, 19:30:45 PM
One of my cats, James, wound up in rescue after being hit by a car in summer 2010.  He had a broken jaw, split tongue and damage to his right eye, plus road burn to right front leg. 

Seven years on he still has a wonky eye; it’s hard to tell how much his vision has been affected although he manages to down a flying frenzy without any problems and jumps distances accurately.  He has developed arthritis in his right front leg which has worsened in the last four years (visible on x-rays taken while already under sedation for dentals) and is now on daily Metacam.  However the only external sign of this is that he’s a heat-seeking missile – top of the boiler is his favourite place in winter.  He has also lost a fair number of teeth on the right side over the years.

Once Frankie recovers fully from his immediate injuries he may well have wonky bits and need keeping a special eye on for long-term consequences but he will never sit around moaning “poor me”.  As other have said, cats have phenomenal powers of recovery and live for the day :).

Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 12, 2017, 07:00:40 AM
:wow:  How lovely to see the gorgeous James again.   :Luv2: :Luv2:

Frances makes some really good points.  I try to emulate our wonderful cats and to live for the day.  It's hard for us Hoomans, but we need to take inspiration from them.  Every day is about "being Cat" (and sometimes "More Cat")  ;) :Luv:

(Note to self:  remember this, when the deadline I've failed to meet is brought to my attention again, today)

And of course sending warmest snoozles to Fabulous Frankie.   :cat rub: :catlove2: :cat rub:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 13, 2017, 14:42:01 PM
What a beautiful cat James is!  :Luv:

Frankie seems to be coping with it all perfectly well tbh. Even if they removed his eye it wouldn't change how much I love him though, it was just so hard to see that list.

Should be having a catch up with the vet at some point this week but I must admit that hopeful streak I had is fading a bit. He's starting to adjust to not using the leg at all. The last few days I've not seen him put it down to walk on. He's learnt that he can pop it on the back of the other leg and hop about which isn't encouraging.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 13, 2017, 19:44:35 PM
I'd make an appointment to see the vet, and take a video with you, if he's anything like Lucy he'll refuse to walk at the vet!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 13, 2017, 20:07:11 PM
Spoke to the vet about 4ish. He's said Frankenstein can have room access whenever we are home which is great news. He is hoping that the extra time out will encourage him to start trying to use the leg rather than hopping about. He's concerned that he has started 'hooking' his leg onto the other rather than trying to use it but also thinks it may just be Frankie being smart and thinking it's quicker and more comfy to move that way.

I'm going to take some videos of him and send them across over the next few days.

Vet is an hours drive away so both myself and the vet don't want to stress Frankie out by the journey unless we have to. Plus he categorically would not walk in the vets :p So unless there are major concerns or he just isn't doing any better he wont go back for a fair while.

Frankenstein is loving the extra freedom tonight. He even groomed Trixie which made my heart melt. You should have seen her little face, she looked so content to have her bro back...then she biffed him. Cats!  :Crazy:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 13, 2017, 20:14:53 PM
Glad you have spoken to the vet, cant believe you have to travel so much for one!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 13, 2017, 20:54:43 PM
It was to do with the nature of the fracture. If it had broken in any other way my vet (two minutes drive) or any others would have been able to operate. Our practice had one lady who might have been able to do it but she was on holiday and it would have meant waiting a full week and for her to possibly say she couldn't do it.

There was also another hospital that was close who could have seen him but again the wait would have been a week which was unacceptable. The hospital he ended up at is like five minutes away from where I grew up so if he had to stay longer my mum could have gone and given him a fuss and sorted anything out that I couldn't do due to distance and work.

I just hope he never has to go back. For a start he's a miserable creature in the car - sounds like he's dying :P
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 13, 2017, 20:58:21 PM
Ah right, I assumed follow ups would be done by your usual vet
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 13, 2017, 21:11:14 PM
If it wasn't for the uncertainty about if he would keep the leg I think our local would still see him. On top of it being a tricky break, it happened right above the nerve 'bank' for the left leg and there was a lot of damage. The break itself will be well on its way to healing but it's the damage to the nerves that's the issue.

It's not that I don't trust our local vet (who completely saved his life), it's just I agree it's best for the guy who did the op to keep on track of this.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 20, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
It may be worth asking for Gabapentin. It helps nerve regeneration and I have heard of it being used in cats as well.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 20, 2017, 12:15:16 PM
Such an anxious time for you, especially after everything you and Frankie have been through so far.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 23, 2017, 06:52:23 AM
How's Frankie doing, Sassybot?
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 25, 2017, 13:06:25 PM
Hi All

So on Thursday last week the vet said Frankie could have total access to the house as long as we are in. This followed him seeing a few videos of Frankenstein's progress. Whilst he is still hoping about the different in the week or so of room access has made the vet think that house access will help speed the recovery up. He's enjoyed a lot of cuddles this weekend as my partner hasn't been home. Decided on Saturday to let him out over night as he was stuck under the bed and I was too tired to move the bed to get him! About half an hour later as I'm snuggled down I feel a little pressure on the bed next to me followed by very loud purrs and super snuggles. Was really nice to have him back :)

The future of his leg is still pretty uncertain as he really isn't using it that well, but at least he is coping and getting by well. Think he'll have to go back the vet in a few weeks and then we'll know more.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 25, 2017, 13:30:07 PM
Frankie cuddles. :wow: :wow: :wow: So pleased for you. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 25, 2017, 13:32:54 PM
Aww, bless him - fingers crossed he just needs to use it more
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 25, 2017, 14:02:51 PM
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     About half an hour later as I'm snuggled down I feel a little pressure on the bed next to me followed by very loud purrs and super snuggles. Was really nice to have him back :)                 


Of course it was.  The bestest bit.  :Luv: :Luv:

Am hoping too that he will begin to use his leg more now he has access to all of the house, supervised.    :hug:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 26, 2017, 07:46:18 AM
My partner came home last night and was so excited to have Frankenstein cuddle up like he used to. Jumped into his part of the bed and looked at him like 'noo this is my space' :p

I'm must admit I'm not overly hopeful about him regaining much more movement in the left leg. Whilst he isn't supporting it on the back of the right leg, he is just hopping very lightly on it and has been for a fair few weeks. All that seems to have changed is how well he copes with the hopping. Just because he is hopping doesn't mean the leg will come off though I think. The vet said he would take it off if it became a hindrance and it doesn't seem like this is the case.

Hopefully going to try and get him back to the vet over the next few weeks as I'd feel better for a physical check up as it's hard to tell if Frankie is just being protective of the leg when you touch it in certain places or if he is having some discomfort.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 26, 2017, 08:01:13 AM
Bless Frankie.  I'm sure, whether or not he ultimately has to forego his paw, he will manage perfectly well on his three good legs. 

Sending super strength snoozles to Frankie   :cat rub:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: jezebel on July 26, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
Great to hear how well he's doing - regardless of the left leg!
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 26, 2017, 13:09:44 PM
I wouldn’t worry too much about him not using his leg too much at the moment, it’s still very early days, and he will have muscle loss, which will improve with more use – Lucy did, and she only had room rest, and was doing ‘naughty’ things like jumping quite early on. I think making an appointment in the next few weeks is a good plan.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on July 28, 2017, 07:58:29 AM
I've only seen him jump on the windowsill once and he did it so carefully it was almost comical to watch :) He's never really been a cat who likes to climb on things so hopefully that will work in his favour as he recovers.

Vet wants another video of him this time next week and then we'll probably look at taking him for an appointment. In himself Frankenstein seems totally fine, he was playing with my hair in his sleep last night which is super sweet - he's done it since we first met him as a four week old kitten. He does that 'making biscuits' thing in it. When he was small enough he'd climb onto my shoulder and bury himself in it. Now, or at least before the accident, he would just sit behind me and touch it. He's quite an odd kitty really.

Life at home seems to be getting back to normal which is nice. Think over the weekend we'll see about leaving him out when we pop the shops, build up our trust before he gets unsupervised access.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 28, 2017, 08:13:41 AM
No, not odd - he's uniquely, perfectly, sweetly and undeniably a one-off and best yet - he's all yours!!!   :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:   I think it's adorable that he plays with your hair in his sleep.  My sister's cat Tia used to comb my hair.  If I sat down, she'd be there in a shot, and would be my hairdresser for as long as I would sit still.   :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 28, 2017, 12:43:48 PM
Aww, bless Frankenstein – he’s not odd, they all have little foibles, some are just sweeter than others. Fingers crossed for him.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on August 07, 2017, 12:54:33 PM
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My sister's cat Tia used to comb my hair.  If I sat down, she'd be there in a shot, and would be my hairdresser for as long as I would sit still.

Frankie does similar, he's a proper cheeky head.

We went away Friday/Saturday and came home Sunday. Frankie was out of the cage and happily roaming around. Have taken the cage down now, he really does not need it.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 07, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
 :wow: :wow: :wow:  That's such good news, Sassybot!    Way to go, Frankie Baby!   :Luv:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 07, 2017, 13:23:06 PM
Aww, that's great news
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on August 07, 2017, 13:33:58 PM
Brilliant news Sassybot, is he starting to use his leg a bit more now? :Luv: He really is doing well.

My Sammy used to lie on my pillow at night and play with my hair until she got to my scalp. :Luv2:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on August 31, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
Hi all, sorry for the delay in response, it's been horrible here. Essentially I got a new job a few months back and a few weeks ago my boss took me to one side and told me I either resign or they fail my probation. Obviously I resigned but then I found out that she brought her friend in who had just lost her own job.

ANYWAY, Frankie is doing really well. He will always have a limp but he is walking on the leg. He has been charging around the house after Trixie and even managing to jump up on the windowsill! As I've been home a lot the last few weeks he has become quite protective and gets very jealous when Tim comes home. He even pushes at our hands if we are holding hands! Little terror.

Trixie seems happy to have her brother back, not as stressed and is back to her usual air-head self.
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 31, 2017, 13:03:34 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about the job, but if it's any consolation, sounds like you're better off out of it.   :hug: :hug:

the upside though is knowing Frankie's doing really well on his dodgy leg.   ;D  Maybe not such good news for Tim, if he can't get a look in  :innocent:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on August 31, 2017, 15:01:56 PM
Hi Sassybot,

I am so sorry to hear about your job - although it does sound as if you are better out of it. Here's hoping you find something just right very soon  :hug:

Great news about Frankie though  ;D
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 31, 2017, 18:13:28 PM
Sorry to hear about your job, but pleased he is doing well
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on September 01, 2017, 16:37:23 PM
Sorry Sassybot, I did post yesterday, but it appears to have disappeared. >:( Something along the lines of.

Who said nepotism is dead? :mad2: How ruddy annoying for you, I am sure that you find something far better soon. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Such good new about Frankie :Luv:. Poor Tim though. Ostracised in his own home. :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Car accident
Post by: Sassybot on September 04, 2017, 17:08:45 PM
Thanks for your kind words of support. I've only been in the job since May so am having to spin some fibs as to why I'm leaving to potential employers, doesn't feel great.

Frankenstein spent the weekend glued to my side - if Tim sat next to me he got right in between us. Am going to have to knock this behaviour on the head, but he's just so cute  :Luv2:

Need to find him some good toys as he has a lot of energy (Frankie not Tim) that isn't being burnt off now he can't go outside.