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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 21, 2016, 13:34:42 PM
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JUST BACK FROM VETS AND MISAS RESULTS ARE NOT GOOD, HIS LEVELS ARE OFF THE SCALE AND i HAVE DECIDED THAT HIS BEST CHANCE IS RADIO IODINE TREATMENT, IF BRISTOL UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL WILL ACCEPT HIM.
HOWEVER DUE TO MY EYES I DONT THINK I CAN DRIVE ALL THE WAY AND IF ANYONE CAN HELP WITH THE LAST PART OF THE DRIVE THERE AND BACK I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL.
i HAVE ASKED SOMEONE ELSE BUT ONLY A FEW MINS AGO AND DONT KNOW IF SHE WILL BE ABLE TO AND TRYING TO GET ALL MY DUCKS IN A ROW ASAP.
MY VET IS RINGING BRISTOL THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN WILL RING ME.
MISA HAS LOST MORE WEIGHT OVER LAST 48 HOURS AND DOESNT EVEN WANT TO GO OUT WHICH IS UNHEARD OFF, SO I THINK HE HE IS GOING DOWNHILL VERY FAST :(
IF ANYONE CAN HELP I WILL PAY ALL YOUR COSTS.
i COME STRAIGHT DOWN THE M4 AND WOULD HOPE TO LEAVE MY CAR IN A SERVICE STATION ON M4.
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oh no :( poor misa. When will he have to go? Would a pet taxi/transporter be an option?
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I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER TO EITHER OF THESE YET BUT WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT IF NO OTHER OPTION.
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once we know when I'm sure something can be sorted :hug:
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HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH GILL AND HOPE TO HELP OUT LIFT WISE.
VERY MUCH THINKING OF POOR MISA AND GILL :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I think you will find that no centre will accept him right away - because HT can mask kidney disease, it is usual to insist on medication to get the HT down to see what happens to the kidney function, bearing in mind that once the radio active injection has been administered very little treatment for other conditions can be done for two to three weeks
I got umpteen doses of Felimazole into Trigger using bits of Webbox - the pills are very small and I used to cut them in half - are you sure this isn't going to work with Misa?
also check out the centre I used http://www.rowevetgroup.com/wotton-surgery/4590359759 it's nearer, cheaper and cats are isolated for less time than at Bristol
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GILL, AM VERY SORYY TO HEAR THIS ABOUT MISA.
I WOULD SEE IF YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE SUGGESTIONS KAY HAS MADE, AS I CANUNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT TRAVELLING ANY DISTANCE, AND IF THAT COULD BE SHORTENED IT WOULD BE AN IMMENSE RELIEF FOR YOU. :hug: :hug:
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Yes I am positive this will not work with Misa as he doesnt like it!
However a vet would be able to pill him but notb sure how long!
I forgot to say I need to travel with him as he will be so terrified just being bin his cage.
Gareth my vet didnt mention this Kay although I did tell hin I knew about htoer T masking kidney probs, i read the other thread!
He did say they would give a battery of tests and as I had told him that i was gonna need help to get him there he said that Misa could stay there while the treatment was waiting to come in , about a week.
My insurance company has confirmed they will cover the treatment and an email has gone off to Bristol and they are waiting for a reply.
so many things to worry about!
Havent looked at the link yet Kay but Alison said it was in Wooten something so suspect Wiltshire? Bristol is actually closer I think. But will look now and my vet did a search for other places and it didnt come up.
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MRI Referral Centre
Wotton-under-Edge Veterinary Surgery & MRI Referral Centre
Bradley Green
Wotton-under-Edge
Gloucestershire
GL12 7PP
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My Tiny's levels were also off the scale when he was first diagnosed and our experience was the same as Kay's in that neither radio iodine treatment nor surgery was feasible until he had a period on tablets to get his levels down and see what happened to kidneys.
This was back in the days before felimazole was available and he was prescribed carbimazole (the 'human' treatment). I used to crush them and administer in potted beef but I think felimazole is more nasty tasting than carbimazole.
I know Misa's levels are sky high but don't be pushed (or tempted) to start him on a high dose. In Tiny's case a high dosage was counter-productive because it made him very ill and in fact I nearly lost him. If I hadn't found the Yahoo HyperT group I may well have done because although my gut feeling was that the worsening of his condition was tablet-related the vets didn't agree. The first vet I saw wanted to increase the dose (which thankfully I refused to do) and the second said his problems were in his stomach and unrelated to the HyperT or the medication. when I founds the hyper-t group there were so many stories of people's cats being started on a high does and either being very ill or worse :(. that I knew my instinct had been right. I took him off the tablets altogether for a few dYs and then started him on a much lower dose and gradually built up from there. He stayed on tablets for the rest of his life and it was cancer that took him in the end.
Many vets still say you have to start on a high dose but it's far better to be patient (difficult I know) and build up the dose gradually. I liken the high starting dose strategy to sudden withdrawal of drugs from an addict. OK, they desperately need to get clean but going cold turkey makes them very very ill. Misa will have been living with high thyroid levels for quite some tiime and his body is now 'dependent' on them even though they aren't good for him and T his age sudden withdrawal could have disastrous consequences. Far better to do it gradually.
Kay what dose did Trigger start on. I know you were a member of HyperT group too so you probably know their recommendations for felimazole.
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Just looked at link kay and equa-distance to Bristol.
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based on Tiny's experience I would be very wary of jumping straight in to the I 131 treatment while his levels are so high Gill. Is the transdermal get not an option?
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I can't remember now what dose of Felimazole I had Trigger on, but I know I went down the small dose route too, and my vet was open to that - mind you, Trigger had not lost weight and was not really ill - just demanding food all the time
Bristol can mean waiting longer, Gill, as they are one of only two centres who will take cats with the rare thyroid cancer, which are always urgent cases
I had a lot of success with Felimazole in Webbox because I used to feed him sitting over him, so his head was raised and his throat tilted, meaning he swallowed the pieces whole , rather than bending down and nosing out the bits of pill
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GARETH SAID THERE WAS A NEW TREATMENT .........THE GEL............ BUT SAID HIS KIDNEYS LOOKED OK, ITS THE HYPER T LEVEL OR WHATEVER RESULT THAT ARE BAD.
GEEZ THINK I AM GETTING CONFUSED NOW!
i THINK i WILL HAVE TO TALK TO GARETH ABOUT THIS COS i KNOW NOTHING! WAITING FOR HIM TO RING.
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WHAT IS THE HYPER T GROUP?
HOW DO i ACCESS PLEASE?
i HAVE MISAS BLOOD TEST REPORT HERE.
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Oh I am sorry to hear that. Silvie had to be stopped on all meds a week before she had the RI injection. Her levels before treatment were around 200 and when she got to the vets at Canterbury they were around 550 which is really high. The vet I spoke to said he had seen cats with results of around 1000. I am not sure where you live, but Barton Vets at Canterbury, Kent where Silvie went had the shortest waiting list but it was around 6 weeks. I hope you can get Misa treated asap. Sending best wishes to him and you. :Luv:
PS what were his HT levels?
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I can't access the very informative Yahoo group at the moment - think it must be related to the recent Yahoo problems - have a look at what Tanya has to say about HT though http://www.felinecrf.org/hyperthyroidism.htm
don't be put off by the fact the info is US based - the States are way ahead of us on this subject, and their vets are way ahead of many of the UK vets too on the best way to treat HT
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i AM NOT SURE HOW TO READ THE BLOOD TEST AND HE HAS NO LEVELS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO SYLVIE!
THE HIGHEST ONE IS THYROXINE AND 165.8.SH B BETWEEN 10 &60.SO DONT KNOW IF ITS THAT?
JUST SAID THAT THE T4 RESULT WAS CONSISTENT WITH HYPER T BUT CAN SEE A T4 LEVEL!
6 WEEKS! HE WILL HAVE SHRIVELLED AWAY TO NOTHING BY THEN, HIS WEIGHT HAS SUDDENLY DROPPED OFF..........SO WISH i HAD TAKEN HIM WHEN HIS JELLY BELLY VANISHED BUT THINGS DIDNT CHANGE AGAIN UNTIL THIS WEEK! JUST THINK HE HAS LOST MORE WEIGHT IN LAST 48 HOURS.
HE IS EATING LIKE A HORSE.
HOW MUCH DID SOFIE WEIGH AND HOW BIG A CAT IS SHE?
MISA IS A GIANT AND WEIGHED 7.6KGS 2 YEARS AGO AND DROPPED TO 6.7 LAST YEAR BUT THAT WAS GOOD WE THOUGHT COS HE WAS TOO HEAVY AND HE HAD BEEN ON METACAM AND WENT OFF HIS FOOD. METCAM WAS STOPPED COS HE WOULDNT EAT. HE ONLYHAD ONE TINY DROP TOO!
THANKS FOR THE LINK kAY WILL HAVE A LOOK LATER AS MUST GO TO TESCO, PASSED IT ON WAY BACK FROM VETS BUT LUPIN WAS GRUMPY AND HAS OUT GROWN HIS CARRIER! SO CANT SIT UP AND TOO LONG TO STRETCH OUT NOW. HE DOESNT WEIGH ANY MORE THO LOL AND PROBABLY LESS NOW HIS FRONT CLAWS HAVE BEEN CLIPPED FOR THE FIRST TIME! AFTER A BLOOD LETTING FIGHT A VET, ME AND A NURSE AND HISSING AND GROWLING AND LASHING OUT FROM lUPIN!
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Thyroxine is T4 Gill. :hug:
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Ninj was eating like a horse but had dropped to 2.2kg when he was diagnosed. With medication he increased to 2.9kg quite quickly. At one point he was hospitalised to get him stabilised.
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I am just looking at Silvie's results when she was first diagnosed in November last year. The Total T4 (Thyroxine) should be between 7.5 and 55.0 and hers was 250!! She is only a medium sized cat but never went off her food, she was eating about 5-6 sachets a day but not putting on weight. I think she weighed around 3.9 normally but after HT went down to around 3.4. Interesting thing though was I had her tested in June last year for HT and her levels were normal. But 4 months later had gone sky high!
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If you are on facebook join https://www.facebook.com/groups/42301610484/ - it is a closed group but may have active members
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Trigger's T4 was around 100 when first tested - like Sylvie my suspicions were aroused when he didn't put on weight whilst eating like a horse, rather than actually losing weight
from memory he went down quite slowly to 45 on Felimazole, and back up to 75 in the two weeks he had to be off it
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Another group but on Yahoo that you will need an ID for - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feline-hyperT/info
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I was really worried about Silvie when her results went sky high, thank god for insurance! She had the injection and stayed away from home for 4 weeks but they updated me every day by their website and by phone, and I am so pleased I decided to go for the injection rather than surgery and possibly repeat surgery later on. I hated the idea of her being away but 5 months later she is back to being a normal cat, normal appetite and weight, so I cannot recommend the injection enough. I really hope they can stablise Misa for you and get treatment started asap.
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that Yahoo group is the one I found invaluable - they are really hot on interpreting blood test results, and as the majority of members are from the US you are getting at second hand the advice of the more experienced HT specialist vets in the States
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Awww no, sending tons of healing positive vibes Misa's way and hugs for you :hug:
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Having had 3 Hyper T's until stable on either Vitalda/Felimezole or the gel no one will do the Iodine injection or operation as the Hyper T does damage the kidneys and it takes a about a month to 6 weeks to get the numbers down with any of these treatments also the heart is affected as its going at 90 to the dozen with the Hyper T
Do not rush in to anything get him stable first or there is the highest possibility that you will loose him very fast - the new Pill popper takes the tablets effectively and I did that with Ragamuffin feral who could go from calm to nasty in seconds sadly you have to suck it up and pill - cornbeef and pate human are the way to go or the trusty pillpopper not going to sugar coat anything I'm afraid having had both feral and domestic versions all have claws and teeth and know how to use them
I wish you well but if he is to ill then vets will not do any operations and advise tablets or gel to stablise
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That Yahoo group that Sootca has given the link for is the one I used to be a member of. I haven't used it for mapny years but got an Email from them a couple of months ago saying that if I wished to remain a member I had to log on within a certain oamount of time (and maybe change my password, not sure about that) so maybe that's why you haven't been able to get on there Kay.
I no longer have Tiny's data but I'm sure his T4 was over 200 when first diagnosed, 249 springs to mind. He didn't seem unwell as such, just eating like a horse, very vocall and weighing in at only 2.2 kg. We 'inherited' him when an old lady that went to same daycare centre as my mum died, so I don't know if he'd always been a small cat (we gave him the name Tiny, she had called him Blackie but he wasn't black). Within days of starting the high dose treatment he was lethargic, not eating at all, vomiting foam and generally very unwell but quickly rallied when I stopped the tablets for a few of days and then reintroduced then at a low dose.
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Thanks Carol - got onto site after deleting cookies
I remember how useful it was - I soon knew more about feline HT than my vet!
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Me too. ;D. Fortunately there was a vet at my practice who was prepared to listen to what I had learnt, even though he was initially sceptical, and he is still my vet today.
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR PURRS STOPPED WORKING AFTER HAD TYPED NOW CANT EVEN COPPY AND PASTE!
THANKS FOR THE LINKS AND INFO AND WILL LOOK LATER.
MISA IS ALSO VERY VOCAL AND CLINGY AND DOESNT LIKE ME OUT OF HIS SIGHT BUT GUESS THE ONLY OPTION IF HE HAS TO HAVE MEDS WILL BE FOR HIM TO STAY AT THE VETS. i DONT LIKE THAT IDEA AT ALL TBH.
LIZ I HAVE A DISABLED LEFT HAND WHICH MAKES IT HARD TO DO THINGS WITH ONE HAND THAT NEED 4! mISA ALSO HAS VERY BAD ARTHRITUS AT THE BACK TO ONE BACK LEG BEING PINNED AND AM TERRIFIED OF HURTING HIM. THINK THE VET AND STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE HIM A SMALL TABLET WITHOUT A PROBLEM AS LONG AS IT DOESNT GO ON TOO LONG AND HE ISNT TOO SCARED!
HE IS A FUSSY EATER AND DOESNT DO NICE FOOD THAT THINGS CAN BE HIDDEN IN AND NATURALLY SUSPICIOUS OF EVERYTHING DUE TO BEING ILL TREATED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG. HE HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN. HE RUNS IF I PICK UP A CAN OF COKE!
I AM THE ONLY PERSON HE TRUSTS, VERY VERY SAD BUT I SO WANT TO GET HIM BETTER IF I CAN.
HAVENT HEARD FROM GARETH SO WILL BE MONDAY BEFORE I HEAR ANYTHING AND HE KNOWS HOW MUCH A CARE ABOUT MY CATS AFTER NAPOLEON.
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Gill, it could easily be at least 6 weeks before Misa's T4 levels come down enough to be accepted for Radioactive Iodine treatment, and even if they come down more quickly there may not be a place for him for some weeks, so surely he can't stay at your vets for that sort of length of time
Do you have a more local vet you could take him to for daily meds, or who might be able to come to you? It would be cheaper than having him staying at the vets, and less stressful for you and him, surely
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OH DEAR THAT KNOCKS THAT ON THE HEAD THEN AND NO OTHER VET CLOSER I WOULD TRUST.
ANYONE COMING THRO THE DOOR, MISA IS GONE AND IN HIDING, EVEN IF THE DOORBELL GOES. TODAY HE IS STILL WORRIED ABOUT CARRIERS AND WHEN LUPINS CAME OUT HE WAS GONE.
THIS IS SO STUPID WHY DIDNT MY VET TELL ME ANY OF THIS..........I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A QUICK ALBEIT VERY EXPENSIVE WAY TO GET HIM TREATED :( :( BUT MY INSURANCE SAID THEY WOULD PAY.
MY FIRST CAT WAS HYPER T AND HAD THE OP BUT THEN HAD KIDNEY PROBLEMS AND I LOST HER 6 MONTHS AFTER I MOVED SOMEWHERE THAT WAS FOR HER. THIS WAS ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO AND I AM NOW THAT MUCH OLDER AND WITH HEALTH PROBS THAT I HAVE TO MANAGE OR I WILL LOSE MY SIGHT.
SHE WAS TAKEN ILL JUST BEFORE ME AND SHE WOULDNT EAT AND i USED TO CRAWL ROUND THE FLOOR TRYING TO FEED HER A TEASPOON OF FOOD AT A TIME
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So sorry Misa is unwell Gill, wish there was something i could do to help..... sending :hug: :hug: and vibes
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Gill some pet sitting services have folks who will come in and pill cats that may be an option or a vet nurse - tablets are twice a day to help get stable - the Pill popper can work well and I have severe RSI in both hands and can get cat with one and pop the pill with the other , its not a quick fix and if you can't tablet and he is unhappy being away from home then really you are running out of options, Complivit and kitten food can help put the weight back on as we used both to help with weight gain, my best on Complivit and kitten food is 250gms in a week
Complivit is a high calorie food supplement which for a better word looks like Bovril 1 pump is equal to a 4kg cats full days calories mine were up to 4 pumps a day mixed in with wet kitten food
My thoughts are with you but take a look at some of the sights out there and use the information, and calm down easy to say I know but have been there with 3 of mine and know how hard it can be to take advice when your heart says one thing and your head another
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So sorry to hear Misa isn't doing so well at the moment xx
I know how frustrating pilling can be, we had all sorts of trouble with Schmoo. We ended up using treat sticks, smosshed around the pills and then smeared in crab paste, which then got added to her normal wet food! She couldn't resist the paste and the treat stick encased the pill so it didn't fall out, so if there is anything like the paste which Misa loves, that might work?
I do hope you can get something sorted soon bless you. :hug:
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THANK YOU HELEN, STUART AND ALL.
HAVE MANAGED TO JOIN THAT FORUM BUT HAS TAKEN HOURS!
MY HAND CANT BEND THE FINGERS SO CANT GRIP ANYTHING!
WONDERING ABOUT THE GEL AND IF THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION BUT NEED TO WAIT UNTIL MONDAY AND CONTACT WITH THE VET.
MISA HAS JUST UPCHUCKED HIS FOOD WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS NEEDED...............GROAN
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Oh dear Gill, I know how that feels, we had that many a time.
I don't mean this to sound at all patronising at all, but they do pick up on us being stressed about them. I found that with Schmoo probably too late in the game really. It's so hard when they aren't well, but I really had to try hard to be calmer and less upset when we had a set back like this, they know when we are worried about them.
For the moment, just keep feeding him, little and often if you can, keep him as calm as you can and take one day at a time. The suggestion about a pet sitter/nurse is a really good one if you can arrange that to help you feed and pill? The cat sitters we used with Schmoo (and will use with Buddy) are vet nurses part time so we trusted them implicitly to pill Schmoo while we are away.
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THANK YOU HELEN, RIGHT NOW I AM JUST WAITING UNTIL I CAN SPEAK TO THE VET AGAIN AND TRYING TO STAY UNSTRESSED BUT SADLY I AM STRESSED MOST OF THE TIME AND NOTHING TO DO WITH MISA!
MISA HAS ACCESS TO FOOD ALL OF THE TIME AND WANDERSTO HIS DISHES OFTEN, JUST GONE BACK AFTER EATING SOME BUTTER OFF MY PLATE!
I AM SURE HE DIDNT LIKE BUTTER BUT AS SOON AS I ARRIVED WITH MY DINNER HE WAS HERE AND WAITING LOL.
THEN BACK TO HIS OWN FOOD ;D
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Sorry that Misa is so unwell, Gill. I hope you can find a way to stabilise him. If you are discussing options with the vet, such as the gel, also ask him about a liquid called Thyronorm (it's new).
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THANK YOU SUSANNE I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT MENTIONED BEFORE :hug: :hug:
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How has beautiful Misa been today Gill? Has he eaten a little bit?
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YES HE STILL EATING WELL AND SHOUTING FOR ATTENTION.
JUST EATEN SOME BUTTER FROM MY PLATE AND EVERYTIME I EAT ANYTHING WITH A PLATE OR DISH HE NOW THINKS HE MUST HAVE BUTTER FROM IT!
HE HAS BEEN IN AND OUT THE BACK DORR BUT ITS VERY COLD OUT THERE
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Click on link re thyronorm Gill. Sounds hopeful. Well done Susanne
https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/liquid-therapy-launched-for-feline-hyperthyroidism/
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This is datasheet for thyronorm Gill. Would you be able to administer direct in Misa's mouth though :-:
http://www.norbrook.com/products/thyronorm-5-mg-ml-oral-solution-for-cats
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Think you need to discuss thyronorm with vet Gill. It may say efficacy when given with food not established but he may think worth trying in a small amount of food given the circumstances?
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Think you need to give him butter with everything for the time being - when I was trying to keep ninj eating they said to give him anything .didn't matter what quality it was he just had to have something.
That liquid sounds hopeful. I would have given that a go with him.
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GILL VERY MUCH HOPE YOU CAN GET A TREATMENT PLAN SORTED TOMORROW FOR mISA
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Think you need to give him butter with everything for the time being - when I was trying to keep ninj eating they said to give him anything .didn't matter what quality it was he just had to have something.
That liquid sounds hopeful. I would have given that a go with him.
I agree. Our vet gave us similar advice for Paddy - doesnt matter it is he wants to eat, let him eat it, to get some energy into him. Butter Monster, eh?
Sending soothing vibes for you Gill, and improving vibes for Marvellous MisaMan.
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tHANK YOU rOSELLA...................NO CANT GET ANYTHING IN HIS MOUTH, CANT EVEN LOOK IN!
I WILL TRY AND SPEAK TO GARETH TOMORROW COS NEED TO GET SOMETHINGB STARTED...YES HE HAS BECOME A BUTTER MONSTER BUT IS ALSO EATING CAT FOOD.
THERE IS ALSO THE GEL WHICH HE MENTIONED TO ME AS BEING NEW THAT IS RUBBED IN /ON? EARS. SOUNDS LIKE THIS LIQUID IS NEWER AND WITH HONEY! MY OLD BIRMANS WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT. DONT KNOW IF MISA HAS A SWEET TOOTH!
I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH GARETH KNOWS ABOUT THE RADIO IODINE TREATMENT TBH AS THINGS YOU HAVE TOLD ME HE HASNT MENTIONED.
NOT HAVING MUCH LUCK ON THE HYPER T YAHOO GROUP ...TOOK HOURS OF GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES TO JOIN AND ONCE THERE HAVING DIFFULCULTY IN SEEING THE POSTS AND HAVE POSTED TWICE AND SO FAR NOTHING IS SHOWING.
I CAN TELL FROM THE LITTLE I HAVE SEEN THAT THEY HAVE LOADS OF KNOWLEDGE BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL ITS SO BADLY ORGANISED ITS CRAZY........NOT LIKE ANY OTHER GROUP I HAVE BELONGED TO WHO WORKED LIKE PURRS WITH SECTIONS AND TOPICS FOR POSTING IN THAT YOU COULD SEE IN A LIST.
IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO GET AROUND THE SITE I AM EAGER TO KNOW.
I BELONGED TO A GROUP THAT WAS SET UP TO ASSIST WITH THE CAYMAN ISLANDS AFTER THEY WERE HIT BADLY BY A HURRICAME IN 2003/4 BEFORE I MOVED HERE.
WAS GOING TO SET UP A GROUP FOR THOSE LEAVING CAT CHAT WHEN IT SHUT ITS DOORS BUT TAN WAS ABLE TO SET UP THIS SITE QUICKER.
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I'm so sorry that your lovely Misa is poorly. I don't have any expereince with this, so nothing helpful to add I'm afraid. Sending you both much love :hug:
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THANK YOU LYNN
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HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE VET YET GILL?
HOPE HE IS DOING OKAY.
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At least he is eating a bit Gill, hopefully gareth can suggest a course of treatment to suit the lovely Misa :care: :care: :care:
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HAVE HEARD NOTHING FRIM GARETH BUT APPARENTLY bRISTOL LANGTON SAY ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I THINKNTHAT IT WILL BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THEY CAN SEE HIM BUT WILL BE IN TOUCH!! MAYBE THIS IS A WRONG TRANSLATION.
HAVE ASKED FOR HIM TO RING ME SO NEED TO GET THE NAMES OF THE GEL AND LIQUID WRITTEN DOWN...........SO FAR TODAY HAS BEEN CAOTIC.
MISA IS EATING AND SLEEPING A LOT, NOT SURE HE IS EATING QUITE AS MUCH AS HE WAS AND TENDS TO GO FOR THE JELLY COS HE IS NOT AS OBSESSED WITH WATER AS HE WAS.
HE WANTS CONSTANT ATTENTION AND STROKING BUT HAVE TO MANAGE MY OWN HEALTH TOO....ANOTHER STORY!
THE HYPER t GROUP HAS BEEN IN TOUCH AND NOW TO SEE IF THEY GET MY RESPONSE COS JUST CANT FIND OUT HOW TO USE THE SITE AND OF COURSE AMERICANS HAVE NO IDEA OF WHERE ANYTHING IS IN UK,,,,,,,SO BRISTOL, LONDON, EDINGURGH AND YOURKSHIRE MEAN NOTHING TO THEM IN TERMS OF DISTANCE!
THEY HAVE HIS READINGS FOR CREATININE 94, UREA 11.5 AND T4 165.8.............HAD ONLY GIVEN THEM THE LAST ONE.
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Gill, the links from Rosella are further down this page but for some reason I can't paste them higher
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This is datasheet for thyronorm Gill. Would you be able to administer direct in Misa's mouth though :-:
http://www.norbrook.com/products/thyronorm-5-mg-ml-oral-solution-for-cats
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Click on link re thyronorm Gill. Sounds hopeful. Well done Susanne
https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/liquid-therapy-launched-for-feline-hyperthyroidism/
more than one way to de-fur a feline :naughty:
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THANKS PAULA :hug:
GARETH JUST RANG AND I DIDNT GET IT WRONG, LANGFORD HAVE SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS!
ALSO HE HAS TOLD THEM MISA CANT BE MEDICATED BEFORE BUT HAVE TOLD HIM ABOUTTHE NEW LIQUID WHICH WE WILL TRY IF LANGFORD CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
THE IDEA IS THAT MISA WOULD GO DOWN FOR ASSESSMENT AND ALL THEIR CHECKS AND THEN STAY FOR THE IODINE TO BE ORDERED...ABOUT A WEEK,AND THEN BE TREATED. LANGFORD HAVE MISAS BLOOD RESULTS AND HIS MEDICAL HISTORY.
STAY A ABOUT 2 WEEKS AND COME HOME.
JUST ARRANGED CAT CAR MOT AND BELT CHANGE HAPPENING ON THURSDAY.
SHOULD GET EYE APPT FOR ME TOMORROW AND LIKELY TO BE MON/TUE NEXT WEEK OR WEEK AFTER.
MY HEAD IS OFF THE SCALE RIGHT NOW!
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Thats good things are moving for you fast. With Silvie she had to come off all meds the week before she went for her injection so they could see how high her T4 went (sky high :Crazy:) but then they can measure how much radio iodine to use, the higher the T4 the higher the dose of RI). Also if a suspected malignancy they would give higher dose. I was worried about that as hers went over 500 and she did have a high dose of RI. The vet did say he had had cats in with a T4 over a 1000. On her test there on the last day her levels were back to normal and 3 months later at my own vet they were also back to normal so they say she is cured. Will have to have one more blood test after 6 months. They also used a website used Vetstoria (I think a lot of vets use it) and they updated me every day on Silvie to let me know how she was. You can also ask them questions on it. They also rang me). I had to have my daily update ;D Sending get well vibes to Misa and hope it can all be arranged as soon as possible. :Luv:
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Everything crossed for Misa, Gill :care: :care: :care:
Good to know that Sylvie is doing really well too Heather :wow:
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All things crossed for Misa to be able to go soon and get his treatment, and that he will cope with it :)
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Topping up the :hug: for you both
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THANK YOU ALL, JUST WAITING. CANT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT TRY TO KEEP MISA EATING BUT DONT THINK HE IS EATING AS MUCH AS HE WAS.
I KNOW GARETH SAID HE THOUGHT HE COULD FEEL SOMETHING ON THE THYROID.
I HOPE THINGS DO MOVE FAST,
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Silvie had an enlarged lumpy thyroid. :)
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DID IT GO ?
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I think the great thing is, as Heather has been through this very recently with Sylvie, it means you can get very good first hand advice Gill, and Misa is in Gareth's capable hands at the moment. He knows how very much your babies mean to you. :hug:
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THANKS SUE.
BLOOMIN MISA LYING OUT ON THE PATH FOR THE SECOND TIME SINCE I GOT UP.
DONT KNOW IF HYPER T CATS FEEL TOO HOT.
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It's entirely possible that he feels hot Gill. Humans with hyper t often do!
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THANKS LYNN..............ITS ALWAYS HOT IN MY HOUSE SO MAYBE THATS WHY HE GOES AND LIES ON FREEZING KITCHEN FLOOR AND IN HIS CORNER WHICH WILL BE COOLER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND OUTSIDE ON THE PATH GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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MY PHONE HAS NEVER BEEN SO ACTIVE!
VETS RANG AND LANGTON WILL SEE MISA IN JANUARY AND NOW WE GO INTO THE MEDS MODE AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY THE NEW LIQUID THAT SUSANNE TOLD ME ABOUT AND I TOLD VET ABOUT.
WISH IS LUCK PLEASE.
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Very best of luck for this plan, Gill. Sounds very promising. :hug: :hug:
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:crossed: Gill, sending more :hug: and vibes
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No Silvie's lumpy thyroid didnt go its still there :) Thats good you can try the new liquid,fingers crossed it will help. Yes hyperthyroid cats do certainly feel the heat, Silvie def used to. THink she feels the cold now as she is perched on top of the radiator ;D ;D
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THANK YOU ALL :hug: :hug:
THINK MISA HAS BEEN FEELING THE HEAT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME BUT PUT IT DOWN TO HIM BEING A VERY LARGE BOY WITH VERY THICK LONG FUR
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I wish you all the luck in the world! :hug:
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THANK YOU LYNN
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Everything crossed Gill that the meds work until Langdon can see him :hug: :hug: :hug:
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When Silvie was first diagnosed i had to make the choice of pills for life, surgery or the RI injection. I had long long discussions with my vet about the pros and cons of all treatments. It was a very hard decision to make, as I really wanted her to have the RI injection but HATED the thought of her not being around for a month and her little world being turned upside down away from her normal life. All my family thought I was mad, they said its not fair on her, its a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a cat (i hoped insurance co would pay up), as I was unemployed since Jan this year after a car crash and awaiting an op on my shoulder. They said if ins co wont pay out I will have to. A few people said "its only a cat" :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: After I did lots of research and spoke to the vet centre where she was going, and was explained everything and that there were staff there 24/7 I was reassured and booked her in. I then spent weeks thinking "oh no in 6/5/4/3/2/1 weeks she will be going". Am I going to change my mind and cancel on the day? My friend kindly drove me down there and I actually felt better on the day than I had, as I knew; she was going to (hopefully) get better and that the sooner she went, the sooner she would be home again. Had a long consultation with vet on the day (he looked ever so young :) and he went through everything with me saying they had huge successes with the injection. Time went slowly at first, I kept looking for her in the garden, but kept myself busy going out and about and looking forward to all the updates from the vets. First day after the injection she didnt eat but after that she picked up in leaps and bounds, and the shy nervous little cat who went in, then turned into one of the favourites with the nurses, as with all the attention she was soon lying on her back waiting for belly rubs and her food. Looking at her now, its the best decision I ever made for her, she has put back on all the weight she lost, is happy healthy and sitting next to me on her blanket purring away.Once she came she went back out in the garden, had a little sniff around and settled back down straightaway. Sending lots of good vibes and wishes to Misa, and once they can stabliise his levels, he can go off to have his injection and a cure :Luv: :Luv:
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I AM SURE I WILL FEEL JUST LIKE YOU HEATHER AND IT WILL BE VERY TRAUMATIC FOR MISA AS HE HATES PEOPLE BUT IF THEY MAKE A FUSS OF HIM HE WILL GROW TO LIKE THEM AND ALTHOUGH THE INSURANCE HAVE SAID HE IS COVERED AND IF THIS IS A CURE IT WILL BE MOST WONDERFUL, I STILL KNOW THAT HIS BACK LEGS WILL NOT GET BETTER BUT MAYBE IT WILL BE EASIER TOO COPE WITH JUST ONE PROBLEM.
SORRY THATS A VERY LONG SENTENCE.
I FEEL THIS IS THE ONLY REAL CHANCE FOR HIM TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE AND AGREE WITH ALL MYOU HAVE SAID ABOUT THE CAT HATERS!
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the vets told me that the injection is a 97-98% cure - which is great :Luv: Any money spent on this treatment with such a high cure rate is so definitely worth it! :Luv:
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Couldn't agree more. Those who say "It's only cat" really will never get where we're coming from. It's why I love Purrs so much.
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Gill this is the link for the common questions with answers from the RVA that we used with our 3 Hyper T's it answers a lot of questions and is useful for prompting if you have queries and once printed out can be used to add things that you see that vets may not
http://www.rvc.ac.uk/small-animal-referrals/Media/SmallAnimalReferrals/pdf/QMHA-HI-001-Iodine-Hyperthyroid-Cats-Owner-Information-Sheet.pdf
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THANKS LIZ I WILL READ IT LATER.............HAVE TO SAY I AM OVERDOSING ON INFO!
HAVE JOINED THE HYPER T GROUP ON YAHOO, MAINLY YANKS BUT ALSO SOME UK AND WAS USED BY KAY.
I DONT KNOW WE CAN GET ALL THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY CAN, CERTAINLY NOT ON INTERNET EVEN WITH A PRESCRIPTION BUT OF COURSE VETS MAYBE ABLE TOO.
THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO TRY TO GET A LIQUID INTO HIM..ITS NEW BUT SEEMS THERE MAYBE IS ANOTHER ONE SIMILIAR IN THE STATES BUT CAN ONLY FIND STATES LINKS AT MO.
HE WILL GO TO BRISTOL LANGTON IN JAN AS THEY THINK HE IS A SUITABLE CANDIDATE FOR TREATMENT WITH RADIO IODINE.
MY HEAD IS SPINNING TBH AND MUST REMEMEBR TO EAT.
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EATING AND READING LIZ. THANKS THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL AND SUSPECT LANGFORD HAS VERY MUCH THE SAME PROTOCOL.
I AM LEARNING ALL THE TIME FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND ONE THING FOR SURE, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY RIDE BUT IF I CAN GET MISA STABALIZED UNTIL JANUARY I HOPENTHAT GIVES HIM A BETTER CHANCE.
THE HYPER T GROUP EXPERT DOES NOT THINK MISA HAS KIDNEY PROBS , THE SAME AS MY VET, AND THINKS A CENTRE SHOULD BE ABLE NTO TREAT HIM IMMEDIATELY BUT OF COURSE THAT IS SO MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE,
APPARENTLY THIS GROUP HAS KNOWLEDGE SURPASSING MOST VETS! THE QUESTION IS WHETHER ONES VET WILL LISTEN.
CERTAINLY THEY RECOMMEND ANY TREATMENT PRIOR TO BRISTOL SHOULD START AT A LOW DOSE, INCREASE THEN IF NECESSARY.....MOST VETS STRAT AT A HIGH DOSE APPARENTLYWHICH OFTEN MAKES CATS ILL.
MISA I THINK LOOKS FOR COOLER PLACES LIKE SAID IN YOUR SHEET AND IS WHY HE WANTS TO LIE ON THE PATH OUTSIDE BUT ITS A BIT COOL NOW AND HE WANTS IN AGAIN QUITE QUICKLY.
HAVE ANY OF YOURS HAD THE IODINE TREATMENT?
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
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Gill, Felimezole is more gentle than Vitalda and comes in 3,5,10 and 15mg and our route with that has been the 10mg once a day and then tweaked once the numbers are down
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WE ARE GOING FOR THIS LIZ
http://www.norbrook.com/products/thyronorm-5-mg-ml-oral-solution-for-cats
AND IT IS THE SAME AS http://wikidiff.com/thiamazole/methimazole
THIS WILL BE IN LIQUID FORM AND IS THE TOP RECOMMENDED TREATMENT NOW. DOSAGE WOULD START AT 1.5 CONTARARY TO WHAT MOST VETS WOULD RECOMMEND!
VITALDA IS NOT RATED AT ALL ANYMORE.
HOPING VET MAY HAVE IT TOMORROW ALTHOUGH WONT HAVE CAR SO CANT GET THERE UNTIL FRIDAY
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I've learnt more about feline diabetes from experts on a forum than my vet! Likewise, their policy seemed to be start high on medication and reduce it and only to randomly test blood sugars - this could actually have killed Sky as she was being overdosed from day one. I would definitely pay attention to those who are going through it - not suggesting your vet doesn't know anything but with the best will in the world they can't know everything.
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To help with weight gain which is what they need we used kitten food and Complivit - kitten food in gravy with Complivit mixed in or mixed through kitten as good as it looks - lets hope you can get the liquid in to him as its more complicated than a tablet in a pillpopper as I know mine hate even liquid Metacam squirted in the mouth
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YES KAREN I AGREE WITH YOU AND THIS GROUP HAS SO MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH SO MANY CATS.
LIZ I WILL COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS INFO IF I HAVE PROBS WITH MISA BUT ITS GOINGB TO GO IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF FOOD AND THE LIQUID IS FLAVOURED TO BE PALETABLE TO CATS.............NOT LIKE THE SO CALLED PALATABLE PILLS.
THE ONE IN THE STATES TASTES OF CHICKEN OR FISH BUT THE ONE IN THE LINK IS SWEET WITH HONEY IN.....DONT KNOW IF MISA HAS A SWEET TOOTH. :scared:
ONE OF THE GROUP WAS GOING TO SEND ME SOMETHING SHE USED BUT BOUGHT ON AMAZON TO PUT THE LIQUID IN COS ITS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT BUT NEED TO LOOK ON AMAZON HERE TO SEE IF I CAN GET THE SAME THING.
SO NOTHING WILL BE SQUIRTED IN HIS MOUTH
PEOPLE ARE BEING SO HELPFUL FROM STATES, BELGIUM AND UK.
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My old cat Tabby is on Felimazole, had to adjust dose at first but she is doing fine now 2 years later. She is 21 so too old for RI injection and not insured now. Silvie was started on Vidalta, i think because she had a very high T4 and we had to adjust it 2 or 3 times to get her levels down. She never had any side effects from it, nor did Tabby have any from Felimazole :).
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I thought efficacy hadn't been trialled when added to food Gill but if that's what vet suggests am wondering if you've ever tried Misa with lick-e-lix? It's a very palatable liquid that Boris loves. I often add his crushed frusemide med to about one third of a tube and he enjoys it.
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AFRAID MISA IS JUST A PAIN, HARD TO GET HIM TO EAT AT ALL RIGHT NOW. HE IS EATING CHICKEN BUT DONT KNOW HOW LONG THAT WILL LAST!
HOW DO YO ADMIMINISTER THIS TO BORIS .............OFF A SPOON OR WHAT? AND WHERE DO YOU GET THEM FROM?
i AM SURE I HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY HERE WOULD EAT BUT WILLING TO HAVE AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
AM GOING TO ASK THE VET FOR SOME AD DIET TOO.
YES YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY ROSELLA BUT IF ITS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT INTO HIM, SO IT BE. HYPER T GROUP EXPERT HAS SAID IF IN FOOD JUST IN A VERY SMALL AMOUNT TO MAKE SURE HE GETS IT ALL AND HE IS GOING TO BE STARTED ON A VERY LOW DOSEAGE, MUCH LOWER THEN ON THE PACKET.
I TOLD GARETH ABOUT THE HYPER T GROUP AND HE IS HAPPY TO FOLLOW THEIR ADVISE.............THANK GOODNESS.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS PRODUCT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE STATES BUT ITS THE EXACT SAME MEDICATION THEY USE IN LIQUID FORM EXCEPT THIS ONE IS READY MADE AS A LIQUID AND THEIRS IS MADE UP BY A PHARMACIST AND THE PHARMACIST ADDS CHICKEN OR FISH FLAVOUR TO IT BECAUSE THE ACTUAL MED IS SO BITTER.
THE ONE IN THE UK HAS HONEY ADDED FOR THE SAME REASON..................HOPING MISA HAS A SWEET TOOTH!
THE MED THAT IS IN OUR VERSION AND THE ONE IN THE STATES IS FELIMAZOLE, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE GIVE IN TABLET FORM BOTH HERE AND THERE, AS VIDALTA IS CONSIDERED NOT TO BE A GOOD DRUG.
THE HYPER T GROUP SAY THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY VET DOSES TOO HIGH TO START WITH AND THIS COULD NOT ONLY KILL THE CATS BUT ALSO THEIR KIDNEYS AND THAT DOSEAGE SHOULD START LOW AND BE BUILT UP IF BLOOD TESTS SHOW ITS NOT WORKING.
BLOOD TESTS SHOULD BE EVERY 3 WEEKS.
HAVE TO SAY MY KNOWLEDGE OF ALL OF THIS WAS ZERO BUT THANKS TO PURRS AND HYPER T GROUP I THINK I AM LEARNING! GARETH POINTED OUT THE SAME AS YOU ROSELLA BUT AS THE ONE IN THE STATES IS OFTEN GIVEN IN FOOD IF NECESSARY THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE UK VERSION SHOULD NOT BE.
I HAVE NOT IN RECENT YEARS SEEN A PHARMACIST MAKE ANY MEDS UP HERE EXCEPT TO ADD WATER TO A POWDER AB WHICH I TAKE IN PREFERENCE TO TABS! SURE THE ART OF MAKING UP MEDS HAS VANISHED IN UK?
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The only thing about it going in the food has not been tested with any results so it could be hit or miss and are you going to isolate him while he is being fed this as it will not be good for the other 2
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because it will be going in about a teaspoonful of gravy and i will be with him there is no need to isolate,
its important that he gets all of it and as you say it will be dangerous for the other cats.
my hope............geez please lett it happen...........that he will scoff up this gravy as he has been!
hope that meds arrive at vets tomorrow and then gareth and i will talk again and they will either be sent or will collect on tuesday cos am at the hospital tomorrow.
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HOW DO YO ADMIMINISTER THIS TO BORIS .............OFF A SPOON OR WHAT? AND WHERE DO YOU GET THEM FROM?
I squirt one third of a tube (about a flat tablespoonful) onto a small saucer and mix with crushed tablet and he licks it all up. I get it from tesco Gill. Webbox lick-e-lix. Think they do salmon or chicken flavour.
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Most supermarkets sell it
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I DONT REMEMBER SEEING IT IN OUR TESCO BUT WILL LOOK...........THANKS ;D
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MISA HAD FIRST DOSE OF NEW MEDS LAST NIGHT BEFORE BEDTIME, ATE IN THE GRAVY OF MONS PETIT NO PROBLEM AND WAS TRYING TO LICK THE DISH OUT OF EXISTANCE!
HE SEEMS TO HAVE HAD A BETTER NIGHT AND NO SHOUTING WHEN I GOT UP AND NO LYING BY THE BACK DOOR.
HAS JUST HAD 2ND DOSE AND WAS WASHING HIS FACE AND PAWS AFTER..........MAYBE IT TASTES VERY GOOD?
AGAIN NO SHOUTING AND HE IS BY BACK DOOR NOW BUT SUN JUST TRYING TO COME OUT AND HE DOESNT SEEM TO WANT TO GO OUT.
AFTER THIS DOSE HE WENT BEHIND TV TO WASH HIS FACE AND PAWS AND HAD A PLAY WITH SOME TOYS.
IF THIS IS THE REACTION SO QUICKLY AND HE IS ON THE SMALLEST DOSEAGE THEN IT SOUNDS AMAZING.
WHAT ARE OTHERS EXPERIENCES WITH HYPER T MEDS WHEN THEY FIRST START HAVING THEM?
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Aww thats really good news Gill ;D Keep taking yours Meds Mosi, you'll be better soon! ;) :)
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I am so pleased to hear the latest update ;D
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that's great news!!! When Silvie and Tabby first had their HT meds it didn't make any difference for at least a week to 10 days. Although they weren't showing illness signs, just eating and eating and eating but losing weight. One was on Felimazole and the other was on Vidalta. :Luv:
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So glad that the medicine have arrived and your boy has accepted it ;D
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THANK YOU ALL AND SEEMS HYPERT GROUP WERE RIGHT THE DOSE RECOMMENDED FOR MISA WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR TOO HIGH.
HE IS ONLY SHOUTING A BIT WHEN HE WANTS SOMETHING AND OMG HAS HE LEARNED QUICK..............THE NICEST FOOD ID BROUGHT TO HIM!!
HE WANTED SOME FOOD AND BROUGHT HIM IN HIS NORMAL ONE FOR THIS TIME OF THE DAY BECAUSE HE WOULDNT GO AND HELP HIMSELF AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THATS NOT WHAT HE WANTED,,,,,,WAS CHICKEN OR HIS MEDS!
HE IS SO THIN THOUGH :( HOPING MAYBE HE WILL PUT ON SOME WEIGHT IF THE MEDS WORK?
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I am so glad that Misaman seems to be doing so well, so quickly, even if he is costing you a fortune in luxury food. My Tesco does Lick E Lix as well.
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Gill, Misaman's weight should start to stabilise first, then you should find that he will put a bit on if you feed him extra.
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THANKS LYNN HE IS STILL EATING MORE THAN HE DID BUT NOT USING THE TRAY..HE IS OUT AT THE MOMENT BUT DONT KNOW IF HE HAS A SECRET POODLING PLACE COS I HAVENT FOUND IT!
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF HE PUTS ON SOME WEIGHT, MISAMAN ISNT RIGHT WITHOUT SOME FLESH ON HIM.
YES ITS COSTING ME A FORTUNE PAULA BUT AS LONG AS HE WILL HAVE HIS MEDS AND GET WELL I DONT CARE.
HAVE HAD TO BUY LICKEE LIX ONLINE AND THATS A FORTUNE TOO AND HAVE A FEELING HE WONT LIKE THEM!
ALSO HAVE AD DIET AND SOME PILL POCKETS AND SOME PASTE COMING FROM THE STATES BUT DONT THINK EITHER OF LAST TWO WILL WORK WITH THIS MUCH LIQUID BUT JUST WANTED AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
IF THE MONS PETIT KEEPS ON WORKING AND HE LIKES MORE THAN JUST THE CHICKEN THEN THAT WILL BE GREAT....................HMMMMMMM DO NEED SOMEONE TO EAT THE LICKEE LIX! DONT THINK IT WILL BE TO LUPINS TASTE THOUGH OR SASA, MAYBE WRONG.
I STILL NEED TO GET A CARRIER AND SASA NEEDS HER VACINATION AND CHECK.
HOPE DINNER NEARLY READY
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Gill Wilko's do Lickee lix..... 5 sachets for 80p if that helps, they have chicken and salmon flavours. They are £1 everwhere else
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THANKS SONYA BUT DONT GO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A WILKOS AND HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED ONLINE AT LOADS MORE THAN THAT!
3 FLAVOURS, LIVER, CHICKEN AND SALMON I THINK.
MISA IS PESTERING ME FOR SOME SPECIAL FOOD! WELL ABOUT AN HOUR NOW LOL..........COULD BE DUCK OR GOOSE THIS TIME SO HOPES HE LIKES.
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Places like B & M and Poundstretcher do the Mons Petit at £1.50 on line for delivery - that's what our stroke boy Jester eats as a full sachet is to much for him in one go and I order the minimum for free postage and its usually delivered in a couple of days
He will keep on eating like a horse till he is stable and that's where the Complivit food supplement is great as you can pump it in top of food or mix through food in gravy and it can put up to 300gns a week on to a cat, our Max Hyper T for 9 years thought it was a treat after a while and ate it with his pate and tablet can take a good couple of months to get stable and the blood tests are every 3 weeks if memory serves me right to see if the dose needs to go up or down
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Oh Gill,
I’m so sorry to hear this about Misa. As you know, I had two HyperT boys, both Jake and Bailey had it and it was managed with felimazole. I’m really glad to hear about this new way of giving the medication and that Misa is taking it!
I went through hell trying to get pills into my Jake and the transdermal gel just wasn’t effective.
I looked into RI treatment too, I really wanted to go down that route. However, with Jake it wasn’t an option, because when we finally got him stabilised after about 6 weeks, his creatine went through the roof because his kidneys were really bad and the HyperT had been masking it.
It wasn’t an option for Bailey because the Hypert had caused heart problems.
However, they both did well on the meds and lived for years with the condition. But it’s incredibly stressful because over time you need higher and higher doses of meds to keep it at bay, so I really hope the RI treatment is an option for Misa.
As others have said, getting the dosage right is critical. Slow and steady is the way to go with this illness. Bailey was started on too high a dose and it wiped him out.
It’s also vital to keep an eye on Misas kidney function and make sure everything is fine there before doing anything else.
Until T4 gets back into the normal range, there is NO way to tell what’s actually going on with the kidneys. With Jake, his kidney results were always perfectly normal until his T4 came right down, at that point the results for kidney function totally changed and went through the roof. We then had to try and balance the dosage so his T4 was slightly higher than normal to keep his kidneys functioning.
I can’t tell you how important it is that the vet understands HyperT, I was very fortunate to have a very experienced vet, but even he learned a lot from information I picked up from my own research, so it’s great that Gareth is working with you like he is.
Get to understand the numbers from blood test results and keep a note of them and the symptoms. I found that really helpful because I got to the point where I knew before a blood test that T4 was high again.
I take it Misa will be getting regular blood tests? We did fortnightly bloods at first and then 4 weekly when stable. Both T4 and kidney function was checked at every test. Both of mine had T4 that was through the roof at first but it does come down and you’ll start to see improvements after a couple of weeks.
Some of the stuff you’re describing is classic HyperT symptoms. Being more vocal – my God, Bailey howled randomly and wailed at me constantly when he was ill. And the lying in cool spots too. Everything works on a much higher level with the illness so Misa will be overheating.
I’m keeping everything crossed that your lad responds well to meds and is healthy enough to have his RI treatment.
If you’ve any questions, send me a message. I had years of dealing with hypert and was on lots of forums so I’ll help in anyway I can
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NICOLA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THIS INFO WHICH IS SO HELPFUL AND OBVIOUSLYBHAVING 2 WITH HYPER T HAS GIVEN YOU LOTS OF ACTIVE KNOWLEDGE.
MISA WAS DRIVING ME UP THE WALL WITH HIS SHOUTING AND AFTER ONE DOSE OF THE MEDS THIS STOPPED.
HE NOW LETS ME KNOW HE WANTS STROKING OR FOOD BROUGHT TO HIM! BUT HE IS ALREADY SO MUCH QUIETER.
HE STILL GOES AND LIES ON COLD KITCHEN FLOOR BY BACK DOOR BUT IT IS VERY HOT IN HERE COS OF MY CIRCULATION PROBS AND FEELING/GETTING VERY COLD.
I HOPE WE HAVE NOT FOUND THIS TOO LATE BUT I HAVE HIS BLOOD TEST RESULTS AND BOTH GARETH AND THE HYPER T GROUP DO NOT THINK HE HAS KIDNEY PROBS.................I SO HOPE SO.
WE WERE GOING TO GO FOR A BLOOD TEST IN 3 WEEKS BUT DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE 2?
LANGTON SAID THEY WOULD TAKE HIM IN JANUARY AND WE HAVE LOST A WEEK JUST GETTING THIS MED.
HE IS ON THE SAME DRUG AS YOUR BOYS JUST WITH ANOTHER NAME AND CURRENT DOSE IS 1.25 TWICE A DAY.
I HAVE BEEN SHOWN THE MINI TABS BY GARETH BUT THEY ARE 2.5 AND LOOK SUGAR COATED BUT WOULD HAVE TO BE CRUSHED IF FORCED TO CHANGE TO THAT ROUTE AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO MASK THE BITTERNESS.
THIS NEW MED HAS A HONEY FLAVOUR AND AS LONG AS I CAN GET ENOUGH GRAVY FROM THE MONS PETIT FOOD HE LAPS IT UP INSTANTLY.................PLEASE KEEP ON MISA.
WHAT WAS THE LOWEST DOSAGE THAT YOUR BOYS WERE ON NICOLA?
AS LONG AS NO UNDERLYING KIDNEY PROBS LANGFORD WILL BOMBARD HIM WITH TESTS AND THE IDEA HE WILL GO ONCE AND THEN STAY UNTIL THE IODINE COMES IN............ABOUT 5 DAYS AS WE ARE A VERY LONG WAY AWAY.
SO ONCE WE GET TO THAT STAGE MY WORRY IS HOW MISA WILL DO IN ISOLATION AND HOW LONG BEFORE HE CAN COME HOME BECAUSE OF THE OTHER 2 CATS.
THIS IS ALL SUCJ A WORRY AND KEEPING ME AWAKE AT NIGHT RIGHT NOW.
MISA HAD HIS MEDS ABOUT 30 MINS AGO GUESS AND HE HAS SHOUTED FOR STRIKES AND IS NOW DOZING, HE DOES SEEM TO BE SLEEPING AND DOZING MORE BUT SUSPECT HE IS ALSO VERY TIRED COS DURING THE DAY HE WOULD NOT SLEEP AT ALL AND WAS SHOUTING NEARLY NON-STOP.
I SO WISH I HAD REALIZED IN THE SUMMER THAT THESE WERE SYMPTOMS OF HYPER T AND NOT JUST WEIGHT LOSS.............HE HAS NOW LOST OVER 2 KGS AND NOTICED THAT AFTER HIS JELLY BELLY HAD GONE WEIGHT WAS STILL DROPPING OFF AND HE WAS BY THEN EATING MORE AND NMORE.
OFTEN HE DIDNT SEEM TO EAT THAT MUCH AND ALWAYS WONDERED HOW HE KEPT HIS JELLY BELLY!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EASY TO READ AND UNDERSTAND INFO.
HOPE YOU SEE THIS AND CAN ANSWER MY ODD QUESTIONS ABOUT BLOOD TESTS AND DOSEAGE.
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I would 100% do bloods fortnightly at this stage Gill.
His T4 should start to drop right away and 2 weeks is more than enough time to tell if his current dose is working.
His blood results will tell you everything you need to know but you should start to see improvements in him too.
The first thing I always noticed with Bailey was his coat improving. He was long haired and when his T4 was high it went dull, spikey and matted. That changed really quickly when it started to come down.
Jake started on the same dose Misa is on but it didn't come down enough so we upped it gradually after 2 weeks, then again after another 2 weeks I think. He was then stable for a long while on 2 x 2.5mg.
Bailey was more complicated. He started on a high dose, got very fat & lethargic and we had to lower it again. But he got resistant to the drug and we were constantly increasing it.
I have a chart on my work pc that has all their results and dosages. I'll have a look on Monday and give you more info.
Is it a liquid form Misa is on?
My 2 had the coated pills. They shouldn't be crushed which was hellish as Jake hated pills!!
However, I found good girl catnip drops on Amazon which are tiny, soft treats so they mold round pills. Might be worth a try.
The most important thing is getting the drugs in him. Even a single missed dose can bring his T4 up again, so you need to get all of the meds in him regularly.
Don't be hard on yourself about not knowing. The first vet I saw with Bailey told me it was his teeth!!! She wanted to do a dental!!
It was only through finding my current vet and my own research that we found out it was thyroid.
Misa will gain weight back quickly once he stabilises, I promise. Try not to worry about the weight loss too much. I was continually amazed by how well the felimazole worked and how quickly they improved.
Just keep feeding him as much as he wants.
Do you have his blood results? What is his T4 just now? And his Creatinine and BUN?
If his CRE & BUN are completely normal just now, it's likely his kidneys are fine. But they can go up a bit when the T4 comes down. But, if his are in the low normal range any change would be small enough not to be concerning.
January isn't too far away so hopefully by then you'll have him nice and stable before he gets his tests for the RI treatment. I'd have worried sick over my boys being in isolation too. But it's not as long as it used to be at least.
But, having gone through years of Baileys tumour just getting bigger and the drugs working less and less...I wouldn't hesitate. That treatment is a cure. The drugs will only ever buy time.
Hope that makes sense!!
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THANKS SO MUCH NICOLA.
i WILL ARRANGE A BLOOD TEST FOR MISA FOR 2 WEEKS..GARETH WILL BE SHOCKED LOL.
YES MISA IS ALSO LONG HAIRED AND HIS COAT HAS BEEN TERRIBLE ALTHOUGH LYING IN THE RAIN DIDNT HELP.
IT IS NICE AND SOFT AGAIN NOW AND HOPING IT WILL GROW QUICKER WHERE ITS BEEN CUT.
MISA IS ON A NEW LIQUID THAT SUSANNE TOLD ME ABOUT ITS CALLED THYRONORM
http://www.norbrook.com/products/thyronorm-5-mg-ml-oral-solution-for-cats
THE INGREDIENT IS FELIMAZOLE UNDER A DDIFFERENT NAME!
ON 19 OCT HIS T4 WAS 165.8
CREATININE WAS 94.0
UREA WAS 11.5
SORRY DONT KNOW WHAT BUN IS............DOES IT SHOW UP UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME?
IT SAYS UREA IS HIGH BUT GARETH AND HYPER T DONT THINK THIS IS AN INDICATION OF KIDNEY PROBS.
IT S TAKEN TOO LONG FOR THE MEDS TO ARRIVE BUT HE HAS BEEN HAVING IT SINCE WED 2 NOV AND HE HAS ALREADY CHANGED A LOT IN THAT THE CONSTANT SHOUTING HAS STOPPED AND HE IS NOW SLEEPING PROPERLY RATHER THAN SORTA DOZING AND SHOUTING.
I LEAVE FOOD DOWN ALL THE TIME BUT HE WONT EAT BISCUITS ANY MORE BUT HAS HAD FELIX. MOSTLY JELLY GRRR, A SATCHET OF MONS PETIT, START WITH GRAVY FROM IT WITH MEDS IN THEN THE REST AND JUST HAD CHICKEN AND NOW ASLEEP.
HOW DID YOU GRADUALLY UP THE DOSEAGE AS YOURS WERE ON PILLS? OBVIOUSLY WITH LIQUID ITS EASIER TO DO IF NEEDED BUT SUSPECT THAT THE DOSEAGE IS ABOUT RIGHT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HIS COMPLETE CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR AND HOW HIS FUR IS IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
DO HOPE I AM RIGHT.
FINDING IT ALL VERY DRAINING RIGHT NOW.
YES WHAT YOU SAY MAKES TOTAL SENSE AND AM SO GRATEFUL :hug: :hug:
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BUN Is blood urea nitrogen level, Gill. It's measured in conjunction with creatinine
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Urea is BUN Gill, as Sue said, it stands for Blood Urea Nitrogen. Those kidney results do look promising.
Really glad to hear the changes you're seeing in him already, those are all good signs! I'm sure the next blood test will give you some reassurance when you see that T4 coming down. The frequent blood tests are no fun for either of you I know, but once things stabilise you can reduce them. But at 1st it means you know if it's working.
The pills come in different doses, they go as small as 0.75mg - although my vet only found that out from my obsessive googling! So you can just up dosage by changing or adding pills.
Bailey ended up on 6 tablets a day in the end though, which was a nightmare, so if the liquid works that's much better than lots of pills.
You're doing everything right. I know how hard it is, it's exhausting & such a worry, but you've been brilliant with everything you've done so far.
Both my boys were much higher than that when they were diagnosed and they both did really well on meds for years so Misa will be too, I'm sure of it xxx
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THANK YOU SUE AND NICOLA :hug: :hug:
ITS JUST A REAL STRAIN ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON TOO.
I WILL ARRANGE APPT FOR A BLOOD TEST ON MONDAY FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK AND I SO HOPE THE LEVELS ARE COMING DOWN.
GARETH COULDNT GET BLOOD FROM MISAS NECK SO HAD TO GO BACK TO THE FRONT LEG LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED WAY BUT JUST A NURSE HOLDING HIM DIDNT WORK , I HAD TO CONE ROUND TO THE FRONT OF HIM TOO.
THANKS FOR THE INFO ABOUT THE PILLS NICOLA COS GARETH JUST SHOWED ME THE 2.5 ONES!
I HOPE THE LIQUID CONTINUES TO BE LOVED AND HE IS STARTING TO MITHER FOR HIS GRAVY AND MEDS NOW........I STILL TRYING TO GET READY TO EAT!
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LANGTON, BRISTOL HAVE JUST RUNG ME AND MISA HAS DATES FOR ASSESSMENT AND TREATMENT IF HE IS SUITABLE.
HE WILL GO THERE ON TUE 17 JAN FOR ASSESSMENT WHICH WILL TAKE 2 DAYS AND IF SUITABLE WILL BE TREATED ON 26 JAN.
IF NOT THEY MAY RECOMMEND SURGERY WHICH THEY WILL ALSO DO.
THE CRITERIA IS WHETHER THEY CONSIDER HE WILL HAVE A GOOD AND DECENT LENGTH OF LIFE AFTER TREATMENT AND ISNT LIKELY TO GET ILL AND NEED TREATMENT IN THE MAIN WARD AFTER TREATMENT COS HE WONT BE ABLE TO BE MOVED.
THEY WERE WILLING TO ASSESS IN DEC AND TREAT IN JAN BUT FOR SOMEREASON IGNORED GARETHS REQUEST FOR HIM TO ONLY NEED TO DO ONE VISIT DUE TO THE DISTANCE AND STRESS ON HIM.
HE WILL HAVE TO BE STARVED FROM MIDNIGHT BEFORE HE TRAVELS SO ITS GOING TO BE A VERY NOISY TRIP COS HE SHOUTS FOR FOOD ALTHOUGH CAN ONLY HOPE IF HIS T4 LEVELS ARE DOWN THAT MAY NOT BE SO BAD............SIGH.
I WASNT READY FOR A CALL SO SOON AND MY HEAD ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW.
THE LADY WHO RANG WAS WONDERFUL AND SAYS THE CATS HAVE THEIR OWN FACILITY AND THE NURSES ONLY LOOK AFTER CATS SO DONT SMELL OF DOGS OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL.
SHE IS SENDING ME A WELCOME PACK AND HAS GIVEN ME A NUMBER TO RING IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THEIR VET WILL ALSO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION WITH GARETH BEFORE MISA GOES.
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Maybe they weren't able to do it all on one trip? Hope he can be treated - there is plenty of time between now and then to do any preparations. Is he taking his meds okay?
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NO EVERYTHING WILL BE DONE ON ONE TRIP AS HE WILL STAY THERE AND I WILL PAY THE BOARDING FOR THE FEW EXTRA DAYS IF HE IS TREATED.
YES RIGHT NOW HE IS TAKING HIS MEDS BUT HE ISNT EATING ANY MORE OF THE SPECIAL FOOD HE LIKED EXCEPT THE GRAVY BIT WITH THE MEDS IN!
DONT KNOW IF ITS THE MEDS HONEY FLAVOURED HE LIKES OR THE GRAVY!
HE IS EATING QUITE A LOT OF CHICKEN AND THE JELLY FROM FELIX AS USUAL!
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That's good you have a date now, it seems a long way off but will soon go. When Silvie went in for her RIJ they like them to be in the best of health, so she had blood tests and chest x-rays at my own vet 2 weeks before she went there, as once they have the injection they are radioactive and cannot be moved, and treatment is very limited as well due to radiation levels. So they will make sure Misa is in good health, if any doubt they probably would not do it. But hopefully if the meds he is on now work well he will be able to go ahead. When I spoke to the vet who did Silvie, he said there was no age limit, they had in fact treated a cat of 20 years old and it worked and as long as cats were in good health they were happy to proceed. How old is Misa? :Luv:
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Misa is 15 and they will two days of tests on Misa to assess him and also have a long discussion with gareth my vet.
The tests will take longer for Misa because he is so scared of people and they want to ensure he is ok. I feel quite apprhensive but the person who rang me was so nice and caring and said they want all owners to feel smilie ;D
I have told her that he was an abused cat that i took on as a rescue at 4 yrs old after g=he was taken to be PTS albeit healthy. Also told her about the pin in his back leg and his arthritus and that he will no longer take his metacam.
Gareth has rung and two blood tests are arranged before Misa will go to Langton the second on 23 Dec!
I also asked him ABOUT mISA SEEMINGLY FEELING THE COLD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT AS COLD AS IT WAS WHEN HE WAS LYING ON THE PATH OUTSIDE EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
i HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT FEELING HOT IS A SYMPTOM OF HYPER T AND HE SAID THAT IT COULD BE THAT AS HE HAS LOST SO MUCH WEIGHT HE FEELS THE COLD MORE BUT AS ITS ONLY JUST STARTED IT MAYBE THAT THE MEDS ARE STARTING TO WORK................HERES HOPING :)
APPARENTLY THEY ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL BY 3 WEEKS BUT DUE TO GARETH BEING AWAY THE FIRST TEST WILL BE IN 4 WEEKS, THEN 3 WEEKS LATER.
YES I AM SURE THE TIME WILL GO QUICKLY COS ITS FLYING BY AT PRESENT.
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ah he is only a few years old than Sllvie then. It was funny, I was dreading her going away but on the day I took her, apart from being worried about the car journey (hour and a half) I felt okay as I knew she was going to be cured and no more pills! the staff there were so nice, they understand what it is like for people to leave their pets, and really put me at ease and my friend who drove me there, she said how nice they were. Silvie is really nervous,every time the doorbell goes, phone rings or people come in the room she shoots out the catflap :doh: but she settled in at the vets after a few days. If she hadn't been insured though, I wouldn't have been able to afford it as total bill came to around £3k but seeing how well she is afterwards I would def recommend it. She put on all the weight she lost and now has a normal appetite. It sounds like Misa's meds may well be working now 8) 8)
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Sylvie SOUNDS SO LIKE MISA COS HE DOES ALL THOSE THINGS AND YES THANK GOODNESS FOR INSURANCE, ITS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR HIM BUT AFTER NAPOLEON WOUD NEVER LEAVE ANY OF MINE UNUNSURED NOW.
WHERE WAS SYLVIE TREATED?
THE ONE PERSON I HAVE SPOKEN TO SO FAR WAS SO NICE AND I THINK THE JOURNEY WILL BE THE WORSE PART COS IT WILL BE ABOUT 3 HRS AND OF COURSE LEAVING HIM.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF HIS MEDS WERE WORKING ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY ITS TOO SOON FOR THEM TO HAVE FULL EFFECT AND HE IS ON HALF THE RECOMMENDED DOSE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HYPER T GROUP AND ALSO NICOLA ON PURRS. IF IT IS WORKING THEN THE PRESCRIBED DOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH TOO HIGH FOR HIM!
THE BILL WILL BE £2300 PLUS COS OF HIM BEING BOARDED THERE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO TREAT HIM.
I WOULD LOVE TO STOP THE MEDS COS MY LIFE DOESNT FIT NICELY INTO 2 X 12 HOUR SECTIONS AND MY OWN MEDS AND FOOD ARE SUFFERING COS MISA COMES FIRST AND IF HE DOESNT HE SHOUTS AT ME!
ALSO WHEN I NEED MEDICAL TREATMENT LIKE ON MONDAY I AM DEPENDENTBON HOSPITAL TRANSPORT SO DONT KNOW WHEN I WILL LEAVE OR RETURN.............WILL LEAVE BEFORE HIS MEDS ARE DUE AND HOPE TO BE BACK ABOUT THE TIME FOR THE NEXT DOSE!
TROUBLE IS I CANT SNEAK OUT COS THE DOOR BELL WILL WAKE HIM UP.
THE ARRANGEMENTS FOR GETTING HIM THERE WILL NOT BE SORTED UNTIL NEARER THE TIME BUT HAVE TOLD MY BRO THE DATES AND TIME HE NEEDS TO BE THERE, SO WILL NOT BE THINKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
i AM A BIT WORRIED HOW MISA WILL REACT IN THE NEW CARRIER COS HE HAS ALWAYS TRAVELLED IN A WIRE ONE AND THE NEW ONE IS ENCLOSED WITH JUST THE DOOR AND VENTS ON THE SIDES TO LOOK THRO.
I COULD TOTALLY COVER THE OLD ONE OR PARTIALLY DEPENDING HOW MISA ACTED AND ITS GOING TO BE QUITE HARD GETTING HIM THRO THE DOOR....................NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT HOW I WILL GET SASA IN FOR THE VETS! LUPIN IS SO NOSEY HE WILL PROBABLY JUST WALK IN WHEN GIVEN A CHANCE!
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Silvie was treated at Barton Veterinary Hospital in Canterbury Kent. Her bill was also around £2300, the rest was all the blood tests, meds, xrays she had from first being diagnosed. Insurance only covered her for thyroid for £3k, I think in the end I paid around £150 as it went over. I am sure once he is in the car and on the way, he will settle down. Silvie yowled a bit at first, I think she was worried as in her wire carrier she could see lorries etc going past, so i managed to throw a coat over it to block it, and she just settled down, with the occasional glare at me. Some people give their cat a sedation pill if they are going on long journeys, would it be worth asking your vet about that if you are worried?
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I'm glad you've got a date.
You may find he copes better with a longer journey than you think. One Christmas I had to take Jaffa to Newcastle for Christmas which is a journey of about 3 hours. I was dreading it because he got quite stressed in the car and invariably did a poo on the journey to the cattery (45 minutes). However he seemed to relax and settle down a bit and didn't even poo or anything on the way back.
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THANKS SUSANNE
HE SHOUTS ALL THE WAY TO THE VETS NORMALLY AND IS HYPERVENTALATING AND SCRATCHING THE BOTTOM OF THE CAGE TO GET OUT...........ABOUT AN HOUR,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND UNLESS HE IS A LOT BETTER THAN NOW HIS HUNGER IS GOING TO MAKE HIM SHOUT NON-STOP COS HE HAS TO BE STARVED FROM MIDNIGHT AND HIS MEDS WILL HAVE STOPPED MAYBE 2 WEEKS BEFORE SO T4 LEVELS WILL BE GOING UP AGAIN.
ONCE MY BRO PICKS US UP THAT MAY HELP COS WILL BE ABLE TO GET HIM OUT OF THE MAIN CARRIER AND HAVE HIM IN HALF OF ANOTHER ON MY KNEE AND ABLE TO STROKE HIM. HOW EVER THAT IS LIKELY TO BE ABOUT 2 HOURS JOURNEY AWAY.
I AM NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS AT ALL, APART FROM THE STRESS FROM TAKING HIM AND LEAVING HIM BEHIND.
I AM HOPING THAT HE MAY HAVE PUT ON A BIT OF WEIGHT COS THAT MAY HELP.
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Years ago I took one of my cats to Cambridge Vet Hospital from London which was too far to drive for me, so I got a train from King's Cross to Cambridge and my friend who lived there came and picked me up from the station. It was much quicker by train, than driving, and Bill my cat was a good traveller anyway. The chap on the opposite aisle kept sneezing, and I thought he had a cold, only when I told my friend that evening she said he was probably allergic to cats :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh: That's nice of your brother to help you out, when I asked my brother he refused! :censored: Don't you have any friends nearby who could go on the first part of the journey with you, or drive you/your car if you gave them some petrol money??
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dONT KNOW ANYONE HERE EXCEPT NASTY NEIGHBOUR..THE ONLY PERSON THAT PROBABLY WOULD HELP IS SADLY TOO OLD.
NOW TURNS OUT THAT MY SIS WILL PROBABLY BE LIVING AT BROS BY THEN UNLESS SHE HAS FOUND A NEW HOUSE SO SHE MAYBE INVOLVED TOO.....................SHE IS ALLERGIC TO CATS THO ALTHO WHEN SHE WAS LAST HERE SHE HAD NO PROBLEM!
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that 's a shame. Are there no Purrs readers not too far away who could help out? Shame I am in London :(. how much would a taxi be to your brothers?
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AN ARM AND A LEG!
HE IS ABOUT 1 1/2 HRS FROM ME AND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO BRISTOL.
NOBODY FROM PURRS IS ANTWHERE CLOSE SADLY.
ITS COSTS 50£ FOR A THERE AND BACK TRIP JUST TO SWANSEA A FEW YEARS BACK AND ONLY ABOUT 15 MILES AWAY!
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Would your brother not come to you, seems a shame to make the journey even longer?
We should set up a Purrs Go Fund Me - I am sure we could raise enough for you to get a cab to your brother's and back? Take a lot of the stress off you travelling alone? :Luv:
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JUST WROTE A VERY LONG REPLY BUT ITS GONE!
CANT TRY AGAIN TONIGHT AND AM AT AV TOMORROW CAR COULD BE HERE AT 0830..............THEY USED TO COME AT SENSIBLE TIMES!
SO ITS MISAS MEDS TIME SOON AND THEN A SLEEPLESS NIGHT IN BED i GUESS!
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Good luck for today Gill - hope the car comes at a reasonable time :hug:
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How did Misa get on at the vet's today? Hope all went well.
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WE WERE 15 MINS LATE FOR LAST APPT COS HE HID AND I COULDNT GET TO HIM GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.O
APPARENTLY THE BLOOD WAS TAKEN WITH NO PRIBLEM BUT HE WAS TAKEN TO BACK SO WASNT THERE.
I GET THE RUSULTS ON MONDAY BUT GARETH THOUGHT HE HAD PUT ON A BIT OF WEIGHT BUT NO.
HE IS A FEATHER WEIGHT COMPARED TO HOW HE WAS, 4,4 KGS FROM OVER 7 KGS :( :(
GARETH THINKS THE MEDS ARE WORKING LIKE ME BUT ONLY THE TEST WILL TELL.
HE IS BLOOMING HIDING AGAIN AND NOT HUNGRY AT ALL.
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ahh little sod!! Silvie did that to me this year, she spotted the basket and hurdled over fences in garden and missed her appointment! She also lost a lot of weight but has put it all back on (and more)! now her thyroid is sorted. Fingers crossed results are good for you on Monday. Have you tried Misa on Applaws cat food? Silvie and Tabby adore the chicken and pumpkin sachets, Pets at Home sell it but I normally buy it in bulk from Zooplus.
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YOUR SILVIE SOUNDS LIKE MY LATE KOCKA , SHE WOULD LISTEN IN TO ME MAKING THE VET APPT ON THE PHONE AND VANISH.........ONE DAY OVER THE FENCE AND SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF NEXT DOORS PATH AND ANOTHER TIME SHE HID SO WELL IN THE HOUSE I COULD NOT FIND HER AND KNEW SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE COS HAD LOCKED THE CAT FLAP.
CANCELLED APPT COS HAD SERACHED EVERY ROOM, WAS SITTING ON SOFA THINKING WHERE COULD SHE BE AND LOOKED ROUND AT A CUPBOARD WHICH HAD ABBOUT 2 INCH GAP UNDERNEATH AND THOUGHT NO WAY, I KNOW SHE IS SMALL BUT.............. DECIDED I WOULD JUST HAVE A LOOK AND HER YELLOW EYES WERE WATCHING ME!
CANT REMEMBER IF I TRIED APPLAWS OR NOT BUT THINK I DID AND THEY WOULDNT EAT. HAVE TO GO AND GET SOME PET REMEMDY OR WHAT EVER ITS CALLED SO WILL HAVE A LOOK FOR A PACKET.
WAS IT YOU ASKING ABOUT COSEQUIN?
SPOKE TO GARETH MY VET ABOUT IT AND HE THINKS A GOOD IDEA AND IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE OTHER CATS EAT IT UNLIKE HYPER T MEDS.
I HAVE PROBLEMS GETTING STUFF IF ITS SENT REGISTERED SO HE KINDLY SAID THAT IF MISA WILL EAT IN FOOD THE TRIAL PACK I HAVE SENT FOR THE BIG PACK CAN BE SENT TO THEM AND THEY WILL SIGN FOR IT AND THEY WILL SEND IT ON NORMAL POST.
THE THINGS WE DO FOR OUR CATS LOL
I REALLY HOPE THAT THE RESULTS SHOW THE MEDS ARE WORKING AND NO KIDNEY PROBS, HE CERTAINLY ISNT AS HUNGRY AS HE WAS COS HAS HAD NO FOOD FOR A FEW HOURS AND STILL SLEEPING BEHIND TV IN HIS NEW HIDEAWAY PLACE! HE GETS SO STRESSED GOING TO THE VET HIS HEART IS ALWAYS RACING WHEN HE GETS THERE AND THE SAME ON THE WAY BACK I THINK SO HE IS EXHAUSTED.
THATS ONLY 30 MILES ROUND TRIP!
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I think when cats are poorly its more important to make sure they are drinking rather than eating as dehydration can easily cause more complications.
Gareth mustn't have been concerned too much about his weight, I know it's hard when he was such a big cat. Try the usual tricks of heating food up a bit, pate type food seems to work well and mix some water in too.
Hope his bloods indicate all is well :hug:
Both Denzel AND Dexter did a disappearing act for their last booster - I felt so bad, but the vets were really understanding. I managed to get Dexter there 15 mins after his appt time too....!
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I am spoilt as my vet is only a 3 min drive in the car, although Silvie always howls on the way, in the waiting room and on the way home again. Funny when we went to Canterbury for her RI treatment she only howled for the first half hour and then did little silly squeaks every time I looked at her. On the way home she was fine! If Misa isn't as hungry it sounds like the meds are working. Its so frustrating when they won't eat though, my mums cat Moses is so fussy, one day he will like something, then he turns his nose up. At the moment he is chomping through raw lamb which is on the Menu! Thats nice of your vet to have your stuff sent to them to be forwarded on. Silvie also has a hiding place behind our telly I think its quite warm behind there. Took me ages to find her the first time she hid there! Everything crossed for good results for you Monday :Luv:
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yes misa is drinking not a massive amount just normal really.
misa shouted all the way home, drove me crazy.
THINK TODAY IS SO MUCH WARMER THAN LAST NIGHT ALL THE CATS ARE CONKED OUT AND NOT REALLY EATING.
MISA GOT UP FOR A BIT OF CHICKEN AND SOME CAT FOOD BUT ALL I NEED IS FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS MEDS IN THE GRAVY IN ABOUT AN HOUR.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE ADVICE........I KEEP FORGETTING I HAVE A SUPERMARKET OF PATE FOOD WHICH THEY ALL STOPPED EATING!
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Any news on Misa's results yet? :Luv:
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JUST RANG VETS COS NOT HEARD ANYTHING COS GARETH NOT THERE ON TUESDAYS BUT THEY SAY THEY ARE NOT IN!
THEY ARE CHECKING WITH THE LAB TO SEE WHAT STAGE THEY ARE AT, SAID SHE WOULD RING ME BACK BUT UNLESS LAB WORKS AFTER 1800 THERE WILL BE NOBODY THERE GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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agggggh how annoying! :(
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HAVE THE BLOOD TEST RESULTS AND NOW REALIZING WHAT A BLOOMIN STATE I AM IN!
ITS IN PDF FORMAT AND HATE THATCOS CANT TURN IT INTO ANYTHING READABLE OUTSIDE OF PDF.
NOT SURE ITS GOOD BUT THINK THESE ARE THE IMPORTANT READINGS WHICH I HAVE JUST SENTB TO THE HYPER t GROUP
Urea was 11.5 now is 13.3
Creatine was 94 now is 112
T4 was 165.8 now is 120.9
THE LAB HAVE SAID DOSEAGE NOT WORKING AND NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED,,,,,,,,,,,,HE HAS BEEN ON 1.25 TWICE A DAY SINCE 3 NOV.
AM WORRIED ABOUT KIDNEYS....................HELL I AM WORRIED ABOUT EVERYTHING!
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I h ave just been trying to find Silvie's results pre RI injection but cant blooming find them, typical!! but i have her results after her treatment and it says urea should be between 6.1 and 12.5 and hers was 8. Creatinine should be between 45 and 170 and hers was 85. T4 should be between 7.5 and 55.0 and hers was 20.4. But before Sllvie had her treatment, we had to adjust her dosage 3 times as her thyroid was still very high, it was nearly 200 from what I can remember and it went down to 110 and then we had to adjust it again, she was on Vidalta and started on 10 mgs a day then went onto 20 mgs a day. Looking at Misa's kidney results they look pretty good, his urea is only slightly raised and his Creatinine is within the normal range, he just needs to get his thyroid levels down. The urea should readjust once his thyroid levels are lower. :Luv:
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GILL DONT UNDERSTAND THEM BUT WISHING MISA ALL THE BEST WITH POSSIBLE MEDS ADJUSTMENT :hug:
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THANKS ALISON ;D
AHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU ARE RIGHT HEATHER WAS THINKING CREATININE WAS HIGH,
SO UREA COES DOWN ALONG WITH T4.
SO LOOKS LIKE WILL HAVE TO UP HIS DOSEAGE THEN.
THERE IS ONLY ONE MORE BLOOD TEST BEFORE HE GOES FOR ASSESSMENT! THAT WILL BE ON 23 DEC.......THE BLOOD TEST.
HIS T4 HAS COME DOWN BY 45 OVER 4 WEEKS SO GOING IN RIGHT DIRECTION.
DO THEY NEED T4 TO COME DOWN ALL THE WAY?
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST TO SEE IF KIDNEYS WERE OK? IS THAT THE CREATININE? THAT HAS GONE UP A BIT.
GEEZ SO STRESSED. SHIRT SOAKING NOW!
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THey wanted Sllvie's T4 to be in the normal range before she had the injection, and with the correct dosage it did, and she also had to have a chest xray before she went, although they could have done that at Canterbury, but I wanted her to have it at my vets as didnt want to risk taking her all the way there to be turned away. But then 7 days before she went she had to come off her thyroid meds as they needed to see when she got there to Canterbury how high it went, and it shot up to around 500, they then measure the dosage of how much radioactive iodine she would need, and she had a pretty high dose of it. But if Misa's T4 is going down thats definitely good news and his urea should go back down as well. Silvie's did. Will carry on looking for her results i know they are here somewhere! So all being well if they readjust his dose it should go down pretty quickly.
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HI GILL,
IM SO SORRY IT WASNT BETTER RESULTS BUT DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE KIDNEY RESULTS. THEY WERE BOUND TO GO UP ONCE THE T4 STARTED COMING DOWN BUT THEY'RE STILL IN THE NORMAL RANGE.
I'LL HAVE A LOOK AT JAKE & BAILEYS STUFF TOMORROW & GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR UREA & CREATINE LOOKED LIKE AT DIFFERENT STAGES. IT MIGHT REASSURE YOU A BIT - BAILEYS WENT UP TOO BUT ALWAYS STAYED WITHIN A NORMAL RANGE. HIS KIDNEYS WERE FINE EVEN WHEN HIS T4 CAME RIGHT DOWN.
MISAS T4 IS STILL HIGH THOUGH, AND HE DEFINITELY NEEDS A HIGHER DOSE OF THE MEDS. THEY WILL NEED TO GET HIS T4 IN THE NORMAL RANGE BEFORE AGREEING THE RI TREATMENT AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND YOU WANT TO GET IT DOWN TO A NORMAL LEVEL ANYWAY FOR HIS HEALTH.
THE GOOD NEWS IS HE'S TOLERATING THE FELIMAZOLE AND HIS T4 IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT IT'S JUST NOT BRINGING IT DOWN ENOUGH.
I'D MAYBE HAVE A WORD WITH YOUR VET ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH THE LIQUID MEDS, OR ASK ON THE YAHOO GROUP...IS IT DEFINITELY AS EFFECTIVE AS PILLS?
I KNOW MY EXPERIENCE OF THE TRANSDERMAL GEL WAS THAT WHILE IT WAS MUCH EASIER THAN PILLS, IT DIDN'T WORK AS WELL AS THEM.
DESPITE IT BEING RECOMMENDED ON THAT GROUP.
MY VET EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING, HE FOUND CATS ON THE GEL DIDN'T REACT AS WELL AS CATS ON THE SAME DOSE IN PILL FORM. JUST SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE WORTH DISCUSSING WITH HIM, THE LIQUID MAY BE JUST AS GOOD AS PILLS THOUGH, I'VE NO EXPERIENCE OF IT.
THE PILLS ARE SLOW RELEASE, IS THE LIQUID THE SAME?
THE IMPORTANT THING NOW IS TO TRY A HIGHER DOSE AND MONITOR IT. AND I WOULDN'T WAIT ANOTHER 4 WEEKS TO HAVE BLOODS DONE AGAIN ONCE YOU START A NEW DOSE. WE ALWAYS SAW RESULTS AFTER 2 WEEKS/3 WEEKS MAX WHEN WE WERE ON THE DOSAGE ROLLERCOASTER. AT THIS STAGE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW HE'S REACTING TO HIS MEDS.
I KNOW THE YAHOO GROUP ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT STARTING ON TOO HIGH A DOSE BUT TO BE HONEST, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS GETTING THAT T4 DOWN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STRAIN IT PUTS ON THEIR HEART.
IF YOU UP THE DOSE AND SEE ANY SIGNS IT'S TOO HIGH, IT'S EASY TO REDUCE. BAILEY STARTED ON TOO HIGH A DOSE, WITHIN A WEEK HE WAS DOPEY & LETHARGIC. AS SOON AS WE TOLD OUR VET, HE DROPPED THE DOSE AND HE WAS FINE.
IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE TO VARY THE DOSEAGE ON DIFFERENT DAYS, SO A HIGHER DOSE ONE DAY, LOWER THE NEXT. WE DID THAT FOR MONTHS.
ALL JUST STUFF TO BEAR IN MIND WHEN YOU TALK TO THE VET.
I KNOW HOW FRANTIC YOU'LL BE FEELING, BUT REMEMBER...ITS COMING DOWN...AND WHEN YOU GET HIM ON THE RIGHT DOSE IT'LL COME DOWN EVEN MORE. YOU'VE DONE BRILLIANTLY SO FAR LOOKING AFTER HIM, YOU'LL GET THERE XXX
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If I recall correctly, the HyperT group only recommend a low dose to start with to let the body adjust to the meds. Am pretty sure increasing the dose now will markedly improve things for your beautiful Misaman Gill.
The kidney results look fine at the moment (I understand Creatinine is the more important of the kidney results) altho there is always the possibility these may worsen when the thyroid levels are under control. They would however have to increase quite a bit to be a cause for concern as they appear really rather good :wow:
All seems pretty good news on the whole but obviously need to wait to see what Gareth advises :hug: :hug: and :care: :care: for your lovely lad.
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Gill those results kidney don't seem bad to me. Different labs have different normal ranges but I'm pretty sure the creatinine value is still well within the normal range for most labs and urea seems fine too (not that urea is anything to get too much in a tizz about as lots of things can affect it). Obviously T4 is still high but that should be easily remedied with an increase in dose. I'm sure Gareth will be able to set your mind at rest when you talk to him tomorrow.
Have you had any comment from Hyper T group? From memory the Americans measure creatinine in mg/DL whereas here in UK we use mmol/L (or micro mol/ml) so the figures are not comparable unless you know the conversion factor which I have long ago forgotten.
Sending you and Misa lots of these. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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tHANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU :hug: :hug:
I HAVE HAD A PANIC/STRESS ATTACK AND AM STILL NOT WELL.
ALSO MISA PIGGED A CAN OF APPLAWS AND THEN UPCHUCKED THE LOT BEHIND TV AND I CANT GET THERE AT MOMENT COS HAVING PROBS MOVING AROUND.
SASA THEN ATE THE REMAINDER I THINK, NOT A LOT AND ATE SOME OF THE REGULAR FOOD AND HAS ALSO UPCHUCKED IT...........THINK THE TUNA AND CRAB NO GOOD FOR THEM!
I HAVE HAD A REPLY FROM THE HYPER T GROUP AND THEY AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU AND SAY THE DOSE NEEDS TO BE DOUBLED.
I CANT PILL MISA NIC AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY AND AM JUST HOPING HE WILL CONTINUE TO LAP IT UP. I DONT KNOW IF ITS SLOW RELEASE OR NOT AND GARETH DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MED UNTIL I TOLD HIM, SO NEW FOR ALL OF US.
ITS VERY NEW AND MADE AND AVAILABLE ONLY IN UK. AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS NO OTHER LIQUID LIKE THIS EXCEPT IN THE USA WHERE THE PHARMACIST MAKES UP A LIQUID AND ADDS A FLAVOURING.
I WILL BE SPEAKING TO GARETH TOMORROW BUT MISAS MEDS ARE DUE IN THE NEXT HOUR AND AM THINKING ABOUT INCREASING THEM RIGHT NOW, I DONT THINK IT WILL BE A PROB WITH GARETH AS HE REALLY WANTED TO START ON A HIGHER DOSEAGE FROM THE START.
THANKS ROSELLA ABOUT THE INFO ON CREATININE I DIDNT KNOW WHICH READING EXACTLY WAS THE KIDNEY ONE AND AS YOU SAY ITS GOT A LONG WAY TO GO UP TO BE OUTSIDE NORMAL.
ITS VERY STRANGE COS LANGFORD HAVE NOT TOLD ME OR GARETH THAT THE MEDS WILL NEED TO STOP OR WHEN AND HAVE MADE THE APPT BEFORE A BLOOD TEST SHOWING HOW THE T4 WAS DOING, ALL THEY WOULD HAVE KNOW WAS THE LEVEL BEFORE THE MEDS.
GARETH SAID LAST WEEK THATB HE HOPES THEY SAY IN TIME TO DO IT!
MIND YOU ITS WORRYING IF WE HAVE TO DO A 3 HR JOURNEY WITH MISA STARVED AND WITH HIGH T4 LEVELS COS HE WAS BEFORE THE MEDS SHOUTING AND SHOUTING FOR FOOD AND GETTING IT ALL THE TIME.
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Gill, I hope you managed to get some sleep.
I wouldn't be leaving it to chance - if Langford aren't getting in touch, I'd be making enquiries of them now, in advance of when you need to be travelling. :hug:
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ONLY A COUPLE OF HOURS SUE BUT STILL A BIT SHAKEY ALTHOUGH CAN GET AROUND NOW.
GARETH HAS RUNG AND AS I THOUGHT HE IS HAPPY THAT I HAVE DOUBLED THE DOSEAGE.
I HAVE DISCUSSED THE OTHER ISSUES WITH HIM AND NOW HAVE TO EMAIL HIM THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE BOTH REALIZE WE NEED TO KNOW NOW AND NOT ON 16 JAN!
HE AGREES WITH ME ON EVERYTHING THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WE JUST NEED TO TRY AND GET LANGFORD TO BE GOOD TO US COS OF MISAS LONG JOURNEY AND HOW BAD HE GETS JUST ON AN HOUR OR LESS JOURNEY.
WHAT HE HAS TOLD ME I THINK MEANS LANGFORD WORK IN A SLIGHTLEY DIFFERENT WAY TO OTHER CENTRES AS HE SAYS CATS HAVE GONE THERE WITHOUT ANY TREATMENT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT BE PILLED AND MISA OF COURSE FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY BUT IS ON A BRAND NEW FORM OF MEDS...................THANKS TO SUSANNE.........AND SUSPECT IF IT WORKS FOR MISA IT WILL BE WHAT HE USES FOR OTHER CATS IN THE FUTURE.
WE KNOW IT IS WORKING BUT WE STARTED DELIBERATELY ON HALF THE RECOMMENDED DOSE BUT HE IS NOW ON THE FULL DOSE FROM LAST NIGHT. JUST NEED TO BE SURE THAT ITS NOT TOO HIGH FOR HIM.
I DIDNT REALIZE HOW THE STRESS HAD BEEN BUILDING UP AND LAST NIGHT MY BODY JUST GAVE UP TOO!
SUPPOSE ALSO THE AV TRIP DIDNT HELP THE DAY BEFORE.
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Hope you get some more sleep Gill and start to feel a bit better.
I'm really sure Misas results will show a marked improvement on the new dose.
I've sent you a message - sorry it's so long, but I've included Baileys results to give you an idea of how it went with him with the medication and the journey i had with him. feel free to disregard if it's no help whatsoever!
I know it's horribly stressful, but try to be reassured that the felimazole will work, it's just a matter of dosage, and then you'll get the gold standard cure for him with the RI treamtent.
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THANKS VERY MUCH NIC, HAVE REPLIED AND HAVE CAUGHT UP SOME SLEEP THANK GOODNESS
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Sending love amd hugs over hun
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH TAN,,,,,,,,,,,HOW IS MR BLUE?
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SORRY STRUGGLING TO SEE AT MOMENT AFTER EYE TREATMENT BUT HAVE MISAS NEW BLOOD RESUKTS.
HAVE SENTBTHEN TO HYPER T GROUP AS AM SEEING GARETH ON FRIDAY IF I CAN CATCH SASA!
AM A BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE RESUKTS AS THESE ARE JUST UBDERA MONTH SINCE THE FUKK DOSEAGE OF MEDS STARTED.
UREA 16.1
CREAT 132
T4 96.2
THE LAB IS SAYING HE MAYBE PRE-RENAL AND ALTHOUGH ON FULL DOSE OF MEDS NOW HIS T4 LEVEL HAS ONLY DROPPED FROM 120.1 TO 96.2 SO LESS THAN 20, AND FROM NO MEDS TO THE HALFWAY DOSE IT DROPPED FROM 165.8 TO 120.1 SO OVER 40.
HIS OTHER LEVELS ON THE RISE..
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WORRIED THATBTRIP TO BRISTOK MAYBE USE. HE IS ALSO NOT SO KEEN ON HAVING JIS MEDS NOW SO THINK THEIR TIME LIMIT MAYBE STARTING TO MOVE TOWARDS THE END.
I DONT REALLY WANT TO TRY AND INCREASE MEDS AGAIN BEFORE 17 JAN AND HAVE ASKED HYPER T GROUP TOO. WHAT EVER THE NAME OF THE SCANNER THAT CHECKS THE TUMOUR ON THRROID AND ACCORDING TO GARETH ANY WHERE ELSE IN BOBY. BRISTOL HAVE ONE AND IF RADIO IDODINE IS USED THIS DETERMINES THE AMOUNT.
IT WOULD JUST BE TO TERRIBLE TO TAKE HOM ALL THAT WAY IF BLOODS ARE IMDICATING THAT HE COULD NOT BE TREATED.
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What does Gareth advise before getting opinions from folks on a forum the other thing is that the meds must be at 12 hour intervals to work till the full effect not with gaps I know how tying that can be but looks like his kidneys have been affected before the weight loss was noticed and then the right meds given
Having had 4 Hyper T's and had 2 ops done the kidneys have been the thing that was damaged in all of them although Max was Hyper T for 9 years and had the op a bit was missed and grew back and he went through all the meds and we also had him on stuff for his kidneys as well
Hope you can speak to Gareth and take his advice on the way forward
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THE FORUM HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN ANY NORMAL VET BUT WANT THEIR OPINION BEFORE I SEE GARETH ON FRI...WHICH I SAID BELOW!
VETS ARE VERY BEHIND THE TIMES AND CURRENT PROTOCOLS SADLY
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OH GILL, I'M SO SORRY THE RESULTS HAVE GIVEN YOU EVEN MORE TO WORRY ABOUT. :hug:
WITH HIS DOSAGE IT MAY BE A CASE OF VERY GRADUAL INCREASES WHILE KEEPING AN EYE ON HIS RENAL FUNCTION. IT'S A WORRY THAT HIS CRE & BUN ARE AT THOSE LEVELS WHILE HIS T4 IS STILL NOT NORMAL.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT MEANS THEY'RE LIKELY TO GO UP A BIT MORE AS IT COMES DOWN.
IF IT WERE ME, I'D BE INCREASING HIS DOSE A LITTLE BUT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER BLOOD TEST IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE HIM BOOKED FOR TREATMENT, BUT AS YOU'VE SAID YOURSELF, IF HIS KIDNEYS AREN'T GOOD, THEY LIKELY WON'T BE ABLE TO TREAT HIM.
CAN GARETH CONTACT THE CLINIC WITH HIS RESULTS AND DISCUSS IT? I KNOW MOST OF THESE PLACES WILL MAKE A DECISION BASED ON YOUR OWN VETS TESTS. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH BOTH OF MY BOYS.
IT MIGHT BE BETTER NEWS THAN YOU THINK, BUT IF NOT, AT LEAST YOU WON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL WITH HIM TO FIND OUT :hug:
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THANKS NICOLA
I HAVE SEEN GARETH TODAY..SASA NEEDED HER BOOSTER!............AND ALSO HAD THE REPLY FROM HYPERT GROUP.
THEY THOUGHT THAT HIS DOSE NEEDED INCREASING BUT TO DISCUSS WITH GARETH, THEY ALSO SAID THAT YES HE IS LIKELY PRE-RENAL LIKE THE LAB SAID BUT BECAUSE HIS CREAT LEVELS STILL WELL WITHIN NORMAL THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH THE IODINE TREATMENT, GARETH AGREED. THEY WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THOSE LEVELS CHANGED MUCH MORE.
APPARENTLY THE KIDNEY LEVELS WILL BE THE SAME WITH MEDS, OP OR IODINE AND IN THE US PTOTOCALS WOULD ALLOW MISA TO BE TREATED WITH IODINE.
TO BE HONEST I DONT THINK GARETH KNOWS! HE HAS ONLY HAD 1 OR 2 CATS GO FOR TREATMENT.
HYPER T GROUP FOUND IT ODD THAT WITH DOUBLE THE DOSE THE T4 LEVELS HAVE NOT COME DOWN MORE AND RECOMMENDED THAT I SPEAK TO GARETH ABOUT INCRESING THE DOSE.
HE HAS READ THE LITERATURE AND I AM GOUNG TO INCREASE THE FIRST DOSE BY ANOTHER 1.25 AND LEAVE THE 2ND DOSE AS IT IS AT 2,5, WHICH IS AGAIN ONE OF THE OPTIONS GIVEN BY HYPER T GROUP.
I ASKED GARETH IF THE REASON COULD BE THAT THE TUMOUR IS GROWING QUICKLY BUT HE DIDNT KNOW ONLY THAT IT IS NOT CANCEROUS. HE SAID IT JUST COULD BE THE MEDS ARE SLOW TO WORK. ANOTHER BLOOD TEST IS NOT FEASABLE BEFORE LANGFORD AND IN 2 WEEKS IT IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE MEDS TO SHOW MUCH CHANGE. HOPEFULLY AT LANGFORD THEY WILL HVE REDUCED AGAIN.
LIKE YOU FOUND ORDINARY VETS ARE REALLY NOT UP TO SPEED WITH HYPER T TREATMENT AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PROTOCALS FOR IODINE TREATMENT , SUSPECT COS ITS EASIER TO JUST DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS HAVE DONE AND FOLLOW THE PILL MANUFACTORERS INSTRUCTIONS.
WHAT MISA IS HAVING IS NEW AND ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUT SUSANNE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. GARETH OBVIOUSLY THINKS THIS IS A GOOD OPTION BECASUE THEY ARE NOW STOCKING IT. AFTER ALL THIS IS OVER I THINK I WILL WRITE TO HIM TO REMIND HIM WHAT THE COMPANY VET TOLD ME AND MAYBE ABOUT THE HYPER T GROUPS ADVICE.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO ONE OF THE VETS AT THE COMPANY THAT MAKE IT ABOUT DOSEAGE AND SHE AGREES WITH THE HYPER T GROUP TO START LOW AND BUILD UP DESPITE WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE MEDS SAY! THEY ALSO SAY NOT TO HAVE IN FOOD BUT TOLD HER THAT I WAS MIXING IT WITH GRAVY FROM MONS PETIT AND SHE SAID THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY FINE.
ITS THE ONLY WAY I CAN BE SURE HE HAS IT ALL.
HE HAS HAD THE FIRST NEW LEVEL DOSE AND WAS WORRIED COS SUCH A LARGE ANOUNT OF LIQUID BUT WENT IN NO PROBLEM LOL, LICKED THE DISH CLEAN ;D
SO WE ARE STILL OFF TO LANGFORD ON 17 JAN AND UNLESS SOMETHING TOTALLY UNKNOWN IS FOUND AND HYPERB T GROUP ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PROTOCOLS, HE SHOULD BE TREATED ON 26 JAN.
HAVE TO SAY I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE REPLES TO OTHERS AND FEED BACK FROM OTHERS LIKE ME AND THEY SEEM TO BE GETTING IT RIGHT.
I AM SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR HELP AND ALL THE ADVICE FROM EVERYONE BUT ITS AMAZING HOW QUICK ONE LEARNS.
JUST HOPING OUR TRIP ON 17TH WILL BE AS STRESS FREE AS POSSIBLE FOR MISA AND THAT CATCHING HIM WILL BE EASIER THAN TODAY WITH SASA WHO CRIES PITYFULLY. AT THE VETS SHE LASY ON THEIR PORTABLE SCALES AND DOSED OFF WHILE ME AND GARETH TALKED LOL AND THEN WALKED BACK INTO THE CARRIER..............CATS!
ITS FRIGHTENING HOW THE TIME FLIES AND ONLY 19 DAYS TO GO!
I AM EXHAUSTED WITH MEDS, FOOD, WATER, LITTER TRAYS AND ALL MY MEDS AND EYES, NOT TO MENTION A NORTY CAT WHO SULKS WHEN HE IS HUNGRY UNTIL HE GETS THE FOOD HE WANTS, WILL NOT TOUCH CHICKEN BUT TO MY AMAZEMENT ATE SOME TURKEY YESTERDAY! NOT TO MENTION HIS OTHER TRICKS.
SASA I HOPE WILL BE OK WHILE MISA IS AWAY COS THEY ARE BEST MATES AND TODAY THE PAIR OF THEM WERE HIDING TOGETHER WITH THE CARRIER OUT. LUPIN WANTED TO GET IN IT!
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Glad to hear the treatment will go ahead Gill :hug:
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THATS NOT CERTAIM YET UNTIL THE ASSESSMENT
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Everything crossed for Misa and he can go ahead with the RI treatment. Silvie is still doing really well, in fact she is a bit toooooo tubby now! :innocent:
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THANK YOU ;D
MISS SYLVIE TUBBINESS ;D ;D
I WOULD LOVE MISA TO PUT ON A KILO AND A HALF AND BRING HIM BACK TO 6 KGS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,USED TO BE 7.5 BUT THAT PROBABLY TOO HEAVY FOR HIS BACK LEGS NOW.
BUT IF IT ALL HAPPENS THEN CAN TRY THE SUPPLEMENT TO SEE IF IT WILL HELP LEGS
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POSTED THIS ON A TEAM BUT REALLY SHOULD BE HERE!
SHOULD BE IN BED COS NOT BEEN WELL TONIGHT AND EAR STILL PLAYING UP.
THOUGHT I WOULD JUST LOOK AT EMAILS AND ONE FROM HYPRT T GROUP HAS REALLY UPSET ME, NOT FROM THE USUAL PERSON WHO REPLIES BUT SOMEBODY ELSE.
BASICALL SAYS WE USE ANCIENT/OUT OF DATE PROTOCALS BECAUSE THE CLINICS CANT BE BOTHERED LEGALLY TO GET THINGS SET UP RIGHT.
I HAVE JUST SENT 2 REPLIES TO THIS IDIOT....................SAYING LANGTON IS THE BEST IN COUNTRY, DONT BE SO RUDE ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT!!
HE MENTIONS ANOTHER CLINIC IN WETHERBY AND SAY THEY HAVE THE SHORTEST STAY IN THE UK BUT STILL LONGER THAN THE US, SO I ASSUME HE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW LOMG MISA WILL BE STAYING THERE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW CATS CANNOT LEAVE UNTIL THE RADIOACTIVITY HAS DIED DOWN SUFFICIENTLY FOR IT TO BE SAFE FOR WHERE THEY LIVE AND WHO THEY LIVE WITH.
ALL I WANTED WAS TO HAVE A GOOD SLEEP TONIGHT AND NOE THATS PROBABLY OUT OF THE WINDOW................JUST SO MISERABLE NOW :( :( :( :(
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I'd rather he stay in longer to be safe than come out early. There's no knowing if the protocols they use are right. Everyone interprets things differently. Don't let it bother you.
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the protocols regarding length of stay are entirely down to human health and not that of the cat - I suspect UK errs on the side of extreme caution, and as I understand it if there is no one in the house who could be pregnant, and if the owner can be trusted to dispose of radioactive litter safely, then coming home only a few days after the treatment would be perfectly OK
but our government prefers to have a one rule for all policy, and the vets make a lot of money out of it, so we have to grin and bear it - and after all we don't know if there have been any cases in the US of owners of cats who have had the radioactive iodine treatment becoming ill themselves from it
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when i was researching all the vets that did this treatment there was one in York where they only stayed for 2 weeks but you had to keep the cat in for another 2 weeks when home and double bag all the litter and had to leave it for a few weeks before disposing of it. Although it was horrible leaving Silivie in the vets for a month, I knew she was in the best possible place. Also when I brought her home after the 4 weeks, she did a poo in her tray and it set off our smoke alarm, so I am sure she was still pretty radioactive :evillaugh: Just ignore these idiots, there is always one! :censored:
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Gill, there are always people with strong opinions, but I'd be trusting the professionals. Yes, many things are done differently in the U.S. but that doesn't always make it right, or best. :hug: :hug: Gareth knows how much your cats mean to you. Your health Isn't fantastic, and we're stuck with the UK guidelines, which I wouldn't poo-poo unnecessarily. Don't be swayed by someone a million miles from where you are now, however fluffybanana-sure they may be. They aren't you. :hug: They aren't Misa's care-giver.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT SYLVIE, :hug: :hug: :hug:
I AM STILL VERY UPSET AND SOMEONE IN THE GROUP HAS WRIITEN TO ME SAYING THIS PERSON IS KNOWN FOR HIS BAD ATTITUDE AND THIS HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE FORUM TODAY AND HAVE TO THINK IT IS A DIRECT RESPONCE TO WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.
TROUBLE IS I AM SO FRAGILE RIGHT NOW AND ITS ALSO AFFECTED MY HEALTH WHICH ALSO AFFECTS MISA.
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Excellent message to send out on any forum.
Hope you can chill a bit today Gill :hug: :hug:
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I AGREE ROSELLA AND THANK YOU :hug: :hug: