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Title: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 15:12:31 PM
I let Felicity out this morning at 4 and woke up around 6.30 calling her in as it was raining and there was a box outside my flat with a note stick on top the note is to lady with cats! Please take them mom cat dead and i cant look after them >:( There was 2 kitten inside both b/w one dead :'( :'( I had to call work to say not going in today and waited till 9 to get to the vet . The vet put their age 4 maybe 5 weeks old and dehydrated she gave some injection to the tiny one alive and said to go back tomorrow i am so upset i didnt ask what she gave the kitten. I got some kitten food from there for the kitten and there it all started Felicity came down and saw the kitten and her back and tail went all up and started hissing since 10 this morning she acts like she has seen a ghost and every time i go close to her she runs or hiss and keep watching the kitten from upstairs and every time i leave the room the kitten starts crying . I dont know what to do i am so angry how could some one be so selfish and leave them out side and expect one to take them.
Ok the kitten hasnt eaten since 10 but had some milk oh and there was some tesco stick like weebox left in the box with kittens ?? and hasnt used the tray but my concern is Felicity she is out now but very upset i am not sure what is happening as she is used to other cats visiting outside and Bertie coming in but her reaction with this one is it because she can sense the dead one or maybe this kitten is not well and Felicity can sense it. :( Sorry for the long post but am just really upset w2ith the whole thing .
I have seen some awful things like 2 weeks ago in O2 centre there was 2 young girls walking around with young kittens and when i asked them if the kittens are theirs the answer was no they are for sale >:( I know people are desperate but why leave the kittens outside my door and not the rescue i cant stop crying for the dead kitten if it was poorly why the person didnt take her to the vet it must have died while in the box and this poor one next to her.
Sorry i am just so upset, please can some one tell me why Felicity is acting like this ? Is it best if i call mayhew to take the kitten.
Thank you for any advice.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawn F on August 02, 2013, 15:15:55 PM
yes pav call the mayhew, they will be in a better position than you to advise you on this little one, they may even have a mum cat who can foster - people are foul unfortunately so passing the problem on to you means its not their problem any more - I'm sure in time felicity would get used to the kitten but at the moment she is wondering what the heck is going on so don't worry about her she will be fine - huge hugs to you for having such a horrible day  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 15:17:19 PM
Thank you Dawn i am going to call them now. Thanks :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on August 02, 2013, 15:17:50 PM
Poor you, and poor kittens, that must have been so distressing! I'm afraid that I can't give you any practical advice, just some moral support  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 15:21:45 PM
Poor you, and poor kittens, that must have been so distressing! I'm afraid that I can't give you any practical advice, just some moral support  :hug:
Thank you.
I called mayhew and left a message with my number.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawn F on August 02, 2013, 15:33:36 PM
I hope someone gets back to  you soon
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 16:23:42 PM
Thank you Dawn, i used to know most of the people who worked in Mayhew and they were always very helpful with strays and taking them in but all the people i know have left mayhew so i dont expect to hear from them today as its not urgent case :-:
I just put him in the tray which he didnt use but he climbed out and started taking dry food from Felicity bowl :shy:He is not eating the kitten one though and his tommy is huge  :-[
I better go and try getting  Felicity in.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawn F on August 02, 2013, 16:25:49 PM
probably has worms or something poor little thing, i'm sure there is a link on here somewhere about kittens its 20 years since we handreared a three week old
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 17:44:58 PM
Thanks Dawn the vet said to take him back in tomorrow .
Got Felicity in, saw him sleeping on sofa hissed and left :(
Went and got some Whiskas kitten food incase he doesnt like the posh food :-:
And opened my mail to see email sent from Mayhew this morning saying: DUE to extreme high numbers of Felines being dumped on our door step, temporarily close our cattery to general intakes and asking if any one could foster for them :-: Ok so Mayhew not an obtion .
I just cant understand why Felicity is behaving like this she was fine when ever Bertie visited and he was twice her size why is she scared of this tiny kitten?
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 02, 2013, 18:57:52 PM
Oh Pav you have my sympathy and thoughts  :hug: :hug:

Have you got a seperate room that you can put the kitten in?

You most need to get Felicity in and to make sure she knows she is loved and that you dont have the smell of the kitten on you.

Can you pm Angie or one of the rescues on here and ask what the kitten should be eating and sounds like she has worms but get some questions written down for the vet tomorrow, its so imortant that you get as much info as possible.

I know you love cats but Felicty must come first  :hug: :hug: :hug:

JS may have some info on how or where to get her rehomed she does lots of stuff on FB
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: JackSpratt on August 02, 2013, 19:08:18 PM
Oh Pav! How utterly heartless of someone; allowing their cat to become pregnant, then passing the buck this way when things don't go according to plan.  :hug:

What's your postcode? Message it to me (I probably already have it somewhere from when you've sent things to me, but can't recall where it's been put!) and I'll try and find someone close to you who's able to help.

I'd say he's likely to have worms if he looks bloated or swollen. :( Is there no room you could put the little guy with a radio on quietly for background reassurance noise? Do you have an old fashioned alarm clock and a heat source of some description, like a wheat bag....to in effect simulate a mummy cat to cosy up to?

Felicity....poor girl. No cat likes to feel they're being replaced in their Mum's affections and it sounds like she's reacted as though she thinks that's the case. Instant dislike, because the little lad is demanding your time. Treats and bribery and corruption for the most part keep things vaguely balanced here if a cat is around ours take exception to. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: lau200 on August 02, 2013, 19:31:35 PM
Oh pav hun how terrible. Ive had that before now, a kitten left on my doorstep with meat to keep it there :( atleast you are able to help this little one for now. And poor felicity, the kitten must smell so different and if you are upset pav, im sure felicity can sense that. Hope you can get something sorted :(
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 20:34:14 PM
Gill thank you so much, its a one bed flat with bedroom upstairs but cant close the door cos of the bed.Ofcourse Felicity comes first and she knows she is loved for some reason she acts as she is scared of the kitten ! I took her food and water upstairs and called her in she did come upand had her food and i brushed her and then she saw the stray outside and off she went trying to play with him  :-: She is so good with all the visitor cats that i have been thinking of geting her a friend but now am confused.
This little kitten is so helpless i cant just put her in the bathroom or kitchen as soon as i leave the room he start crying. I managed to give him some kitten milk and he went to tray but couldnt do anything so i wiped him with baby wipes and he did a big wee but no poo yet. We are off to the vet in the morning so will get some proper kitten milk powder one and have him dewormed . I didnt know he is not eating kitten food other wise i would have got some milk from the vet.
JS thank you for the advice i just made a hot water bottle wraped in towel and had it in the bed but he wants to sleep next to me :(
Lau i think you are right its the kitten smelling so different from his dead sibbling perhaps, i asked my neighbours if they noticed any one this morning outside my flat but no one has. My neighbour suggested i put notice in our street and ask the person to get in touch with me as its obvious they know me as the lady with cats and if they get in touch offer to help them looking after him if they take the kitten back not sure if its a good idea though.
Thanks every one for your thoughts i am going to try and get few hours sleep now so i can stay up with him down here and let Felicity have the bedroom to her self tonight.
Thank you :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Mymblesdaughter on August 02, 2013, 21:50:25 PM
How horrible for you that must be so upsetting.

I wouldn't try to contact the owners as they obviously aren't the right sort of people to have cats otherwise they would have looked after them better.

Good luck with the kitten. I'm sure Felicity will be fine, she probably likes to choose her own friends not have you choose them for her. They are funny sometimes. My two were scared of two tiny kittens.   
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: lau200 on August 02, 2013, 22:22:56 PM
I wouldnt advertise the kitten hun, i would just find a new home for him. His previous home is not where i would be willing to send an ant, never mind a kitten. They could have contacted a vet for the poorly creatures or taken them to a rescue but they dumped them. You are doing a wonderful job, even if felicity is upset currently, im sure she will come around....
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Rosella moggy on August 02, 2013, 22:44:53 PM
I agree that it wouldn't be a good idea to waste time trying to find previous owners.

I've had a quick google Pav and it seems 5 week old kittens are in between milk and food stage so have you tried mixing kitten milk with wet kitten food into a mush so it can be lapped?

Oh dear I really hope you are in touch with someone who knows how to care for a kitten of that age  :hug:  Sad that Mayhew were not able to ring you back with some advice at least.  I'm afraid I would class this as an emergency if kitten isn't eating.

At least Groucho was 8 weeks when he came to us and hoovered up kitten food with no trouble at all.  I wish I has some experience to offer Pav   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawnin8r on August 02, 2013, 23:05:47 PM
Hi Papillon,

I have some experience hand-rearing kittens and would be happy to chat over the phone if you like.  Also, depending on where you are in the country I *may* know a fosterer willing or able to take the kitten on, if that's what you want.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 02, 2013, 23:51:26 PM
Thank you every one :hug: Couldnt sleep so went out and spent time with Felicity she is garding her catch a little mouse.
How horrible for you that must be so upsetting.

I wouldn't try to contact the owners as they obviously aren't the right sort of people to have cats otherwise they would have looked after them better.

Good luck with the kitten. I'm sure Felicity will be fine, she probably likes to choose her own friends not have you choose them for her. They are funny sometimes. My two were scared of two tiny kittens.   
Thank you, you are right i didnt think is a good idea puting notice up.That is good to know that Felicity is not the only one who is scared of the kitten so hopeful she will come around.

Lau thank you, i am hoping she comes around my worry is for Monday which i have to go to work as Felicity stays in all day and out at night comes home around 2 am and out again at 4 and back before i leave for work so my concern is to leave her in on Monday with this little man.
Thank you Rosella, i managed to give him some wet food and more milk but he hasnt done any poo since i found him which is 18 hours now so am concerned and thinking his huge tum must be full of worms and poo  :sick: Not sure why he dont poo i wiped him again and he did another wee i am sure the vet will sort it.
Felicity like Groucho was older than this little man when i found her so i didnt have any problem with feeding but he is very tiny bless him.
Rosella how are you feeling yourself sweetheart? :hug: :hug:

Thank you Dawn its very kind offer but i dont think he needs hand-rearing i have some experiance with kittens as  where i come from cats and dogs live in the street and from a young age i always brought them home . I have seen and even helped few cats giving birth so hopefully i be ok with this little one my concern is with Felicity not knowing why she is scared .
Well at least i am home for next 2 days , i do hope she comes around as i would like to keep this little guy here i wonder if he misses his little sister and mum thats why he is glued to me :(
RIP mum cat and little Angel. :'(
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 03, 2013, 05:15:39 AM
Felicity came in at 2 straight to the bedroom, i decided to stay with her so put the little man to sleep and went up she had some thing to eat i brushed her and we played  and had couple of hours sleep ;D Was expecting to hear the kitten cry but no he was as good as gold when i came down he was awake in his bed :Luv2:Helped him to do a wee but no poo yet :scared: Felicity is out and he is in my hand bag playing so all together was a good night lets hope she will be less anxious today.
Here is few picture of the little man.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Liz on August 03, 2013, 06:54:40 AM
Pav you are an Angel yourself helping out this little soul, do we have a name yet

Is it possible to shut him in the bathroom when you are at work and leave Miss Felicity the run of the place as normal with a closed door between them it should be ok

I would also rub them both with the same towel/cloth so they start to smell of each other

Again Pav you are a star for helping out  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Rosella moggy on August 03, 2013, 07:10:43 AM
Been thinking about you, Felicity and this little fella overnight Pav and so pleased to hear you got some food into him.  How sure are you of his sex?  I hear it's difficult to tell at that age. Whether a boy or a girl though Pav, he is without doubt a very very beautiful tittentat  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Hope all goes well at vets this morning and also that a nice normal, 5 week old kitten poo appears before too long.

It's good of you to take this little chap on board Pav (even if only until another decent home can be found) but heavens above what on earth else could you have done?  Just adorable  :) :) :)

Do hope there is a room that he can stay in whilst you are at work.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: lau200 on August 03, 2013, 08:59:19 AM
Awww what a sweetheart  :Luv2: i think he/she does need a name! Something meaning lucky maybe felix or Bennett means blessed or even Boniface which means fate/ good destiny.....rather strange that Felicity also means lucky  ;D
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 03, 2013, 11:25:21 AM
Thank you Liz i thought of leaving him in the sitting room on Monday so he can have the sitting room and kitchen area and Felicity bedroom, landing and bathroom I think Felicity should be ok as i know some days she doesnt even come down all day she just sleeps upstairs .I will start rubbing them with same towel today.Last night i used the same brush on both :)
Rosella the vet told me yesterday its a boy ;D When i was helping him do a wee i could see/feel lil bump there :naughty: i'll ask her to check again when we go back today.
No poo yet i am very surprised but he has the biggest tum i have seen in a kitten he looks like a ballon with legs :evillaugh: but he did a wee by him self this morning :)
He is scratching himself too but i couldnt find any flea dirt.
Lau thankyou he is very sweet but cheeky last night he had the da birdy and was pulling it every where when i tried to take it away he started growling very sweet.
Today is Mister 3rd Birthday and also 35 years since i came to this country and i had few things planed but i think it will be the vet visit and home for us, shows nothing goes to plan.
I think i leave the naming for now, as if Felicity dont come around then i have to find him a home i cant see her unhappy and scared i am going to try and take few more days off next week and stay in with them and see how it goes.Ok off we go to the vets.
Thank you every one. :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawnin8r on August 03, 2013, 11:30:54 AM
Thank you every one :hug: Couldnt sleep so went out and spent time with Felicity she is garding her catch a little mouse.
How horrible for you that must be so upsetting.

I wouldn't try to contact the owners as they obviously aren't the right sort of people to have cats otherwise they would have looked after them better.

Good luck with the kitten. I'm sure Felicity will be fine, she probably likes to choose her own friends not have you choose them for her. They are funny sometimes. My two were scared of two tiny kittens.   


Thank you Dawn its very kind offer but i dont think he needs hand-rearing i have some experiance with kittens as  where i come from cats and dogs live in the street and from a young age i always brought them home . I have seen and even helped few cats giving birth so hopefully i be ok with this little one my concern is with Felicity not knowing why she is scared .
Well at least i am home for next 2 days , i do hope she comes around as i would like to keep this little guy here i wonder if he misses his little sister and mum thats why he is glued to me :(
RIP mum cat and little Angel. :'(

Apologies if I've caused any offense.  It was late at night and I was posting quickly before bed.  I was only mentioning that as there were questions about what he ought to be eating at this age, and I was happy to share my experience.  And then there was mention of Mayhew being too full to take him, so thought I'd offer to enquire on your behalf if you were still looking.  I certainly didn't mean to imply that you aren't more than capable of taking excellent care of the little fella, or that you wouldn't be a great home for him.  In fact, I think that would be ideal.  :)  Regarding Felicity, it is early days and she may very well come 'round to the kitten in time.  I once babysat another fosterer's hand-rear over the weekend, and my cat really got his nose out of joint over it so I understand how worrying it can be.  Best of luck with the little guy--have you named him yet?
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: sheilarose on August 03, 2013, 11:36:59 AM
Good luck at the vets, Pav.  :crossed:

I just read through this thread and feel so sorry for the poor little ones that didn't make it.  :'( That must have been a dreadful thing to find.  :hug: :hug: It's shocking what some people do to animals, what the hell were they thinking?  >:(

At least this little guy has a chance now, and fortuitous that he arrived just in time for the lovingly remembered Mister's birthday. It's definitely his influence that brought this poor baby to your door at this time.   :innocent:  :)

I wondered if perhaps your Felicity can smell the dead kitten on him  :( and this may be what's upsetting her? Maybe a bath would help?

Let me know if I can help, Pav.  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 03, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Oh NO Dawn, i am grateful for your offer it was very kind of you i dont know much when it comes to cat/kitten health thats why Purrs is  a great place to seek advice and support. I had many cats in Iran but its a different world and way of looking animals. So i do appreciate any advice here .
I was hoping Mayhew would take him as i have supported them for 20 plus years and am confident they find the right home and always take the cat back if any problem.
I do put all the details here of eating and weeing incase some one has more / fresh ideas which help.
Once again Thank you so much for your kind offer, its good to know there is a chance Felicity may come around :hug: :hug:
No name yet just have to wait and see how it goes with Felicity.x
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Dawn F on August 03, 2013, 12:22:37 PM
oh pav what a sweet little baby!  I hope felicity comes around to this little mite
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: JackSpratt on August 03, 2013, 13:56:01 PM
 :hug: :hug: Well done, Pav. It can be very stressful when you get a newcomer in the house; especially one you're totally unprepared for. As always, you've risen to the challenge. He's ace and Felicity is being a very good girl calming down a bit. :)
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 03, 2013, 14:21:18 PM
Sheila thank you :hug: Sorry i missed your post as it takes me ages to post something :-[
It was awful to see the little kitten dead and knowing that it had happened while in the box out side my place as for the people who left the box  >:( why not take them to a rescue but then lately i have come across some people who have cats but know so little about their well being and neutering :(
If you remember my friend Sally who passed away 3 months ago and left a young family and her cat Princess behind i have been taking food for Princess on weekly basis leaving it with the girl who lives in the same building as Sally's husband and asking her to make sure Princess gets it as i know the husband not cooping well i was there 2 weeks ago and saw the husband and asked how is Princess ? He said oh she is back!! I said didnt know she was away and he said no she disappeared for 3 days and now is back they live on the 3rd floor and she has access to balcony so i was surprised till he came out and said you know she was on heat  :( :( but she is ok now i was furious so i said to him she must be pregnant if she disappeared for 3 days he said aww i be granddad  >:( I asked him if i could come and take her to the vet and have her spayed his reply was why? I tried to explain but he wasnt interested. The poor cat is so underweight it breaks my heart . What can you do with some one like this :(
Sorry back to Felicity i wonder if she can smell the dead kitten as she was great with Bertie . Its been a while since i bath a kitten but its a good idea i have to go and get shampoo, can i use baby Jonson on him?
THe vet visit went ok he dewormed him, def a boy and gave us a kitten starter pack which includes Front line but said use it in couple of days and let him settle first, he also said dont worry if you see lots of worms :sick: Lovely :evillaugh: As for not pooing he said its fine he will do it when he is ready :-: He didnt want to give any laxitive yet he said if he hasnt in next 48 h then to go back.
I got him some Cemicat the box is huge why dont they do smaller size ? Hope i can find some one who can take whats left of it in few weeks.
My beautiful Mister i miss him so much  :'( :'(
Dawn thanks he is sweet and has a cute face but then all kittens are ;) I remeber first i saw Mister i thought to my self well he doesnt look kitten like if that make sense(Shame on me) :-[ But then the older he got he became more handsome.  :Luv2:
Ok the little man is sleeping and Felicity is out so i can get on with some house work :)
Thank you every one for all the support. x
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 03, 2013, 19:14:05 PM
I think Mister sent the kitten Pav  :hug: :hug: :hug:

He knew you would be missing him today.

The kitten is gorgeous and hope Felicity loves him quickly.

Your vet sounds good and caring.

Great advice on Purrs as usual  ;D

Sorry know nothing about kittens and washing,
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on August 03, 2013, 19:24:46 PM
The kitten is gawjuss  :Luv2: and you are an angel!

I have just taken in my sister-in-laws cat as SIL has gone travelling. Cleo is 11 or 12 but quite small and my big Alfie is frightened of her  :( , he 'handles' the situation by staying out for most of the day. It is very sad as I will have to rehome Cleo if Alfie doesn't start to settle  :'( I hope that Felicity soon comes round and accepts the baby.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 03, 2013, 23:38:05 PM
JS thank you it is stressful having a new member :hug:
Gill Thankyou :hug: I do miss Mister every day :( Not impressed with the vet today as he didnt do any thing to help all i wanted was to know why he is not pooing and do some thing about it . He just dewormed him and said he will do when he is ready :-: its been 42 hours now so where does he put all the food he is eating?
Slugsta i have been following your thread re Cleo, it must be hard for you . I wonder what goes in their heads they accept some cats and reject others its like us with chemistry i guess you click with some people and some not :) Felicity is happy to come in through the front door avoid seeing the kitten but tonight she did some thing strange she came in through the sitting room window stering at the kitten but no hissing and then went to his litter tray and started licking the tray with all the wee and then just sat there with her mouth half open with me watching her with my mouth full open :shocked:Not sure why.
Well i have been up since 4.30 this morning and am :tired: I do need a good night sleep but its not going to happen .
Good night every one and thank you. :hug: x
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Rosella moggy on August 04, 2013, 09:44:25 AM
Stupid question Pav.  Do you have bowls of water down in your place that have been topped up?  :shy: 

If the answer is yes.  Then I have no idea why Felicity would do that unless she is cleaning up after him recognising he is a very young perhaps?
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Kay and Penny on August 04, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
cats have their mouths half-open when they are testing out a smell and I suspect Felicity was testing out his taste at the same time, odd though it sounds

I would take it as a good sign, anyway, as it might well be her curiousity about this little interloper is stronger than her antipathy towards him, and suggests she is going to be OK about him given time
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 04, 2013, 12:58:09 PM
Stupid question Pav.  Do you have bowls of water down in your place that have been topped up?  :shy: 

If the answer is yes.  Then I have no idea why Felicity would do that unless she is cleaning up after him recognising he is a very young perhaps?
Rosella do you mean drinking water? Yes one in corder next to her food and one in the kitchen and now that i moved her food to bedroom i put one there too but she likes to drink from the bowl left outside for the birds and the bucket which is rain water.
Well at least she is not hissing any more which is a positive thing so am hoping with time she accept him.
Than you
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Rosella moggy on August 04, 2013, 13:08:04 PM
I suspected as much Pav  :shy:  We have a water fountain in kitchen and bowls of water in another 4 rooms but yes; dirty rain water is much preferred.

What Kay says sounds right and yes I've also heard cats take in smell sometimes with mouth partially open.  Very odd though to actually lick the tray with tittentat's wee in.  Glad she seems more relaxed with him  :)
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 04, 2013, 13:10:37 PM
cats have their mouths half-open when they are testing out a smell and I suspect Felicity was testing out his taste at the same time, odd though it sounds

I would take it as a good sign, anyway, as it might well be her curiousity about this little interloper is stronger than her antipathy towards him, and suggests she is going to be OK about him given time
Thank you Kay, it make sense . She took her time doing it as she was analysing the tray .
I love purrs you learn something new everyday. :)
Thank you  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 04, 2013, 15:53:41 PM
Sorry the vet was less than helpful  :hug: :hug:

Hope all of this sounds positive and that Felicity has decided she needs to know about her new kitten  :innocent:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on August 05, 2013, 08:38:51 AM
Pav, what a gorgeous little boy  :Luv2: :Luv2: And you really are an angel  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Rosella moggy on August 05, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
Hope you were able to arrange things safely so that the little man and Felicity can go about their business whilst you are at work Pav  :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 05, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Thank you Allison and a very norty one  ;D
Oh Rosella still havent left for work just cant bring my self to leave him in a room what if he get to mischief and get stock in some thing i have been moving things out of sitting room all morning  :tired: have to go to work soon have to :evillaugh:
Last night while i was playing with him i saw Felicity coming down and she sat on the stairs watching us and then he went towards her first she was ok but then he got too close and she started hissing and then the little monkey got all his fur standing up and started growling at poor Felicity i was shocked he is the size of a pea and could make a noise like that :rofl: so i took him away and Felicity went out greeting his new friend.
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Kay and Penny on August 05, 2013, 12:40:53 PM
this all sounds very promising, Pav - they are clearly interested in each other, and despite the growling and hissing no fur has flown yet

I expect Felicity couldn't wait to tell her handsome black friend all about it
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: pappilon on August 05, 2013, 21:50:41 PM
Oh Kay i hope so . It happened tonight as well and he got a bit closer and thats when she got up and left again i feel she is scared of him :(
On the positive side when me and Felicity go to bed he stays down i just kiss him and put the lights off and its all peaceful but this morning when i let Felicity out he made his way up and climbed the bed and next he was all over my face giving me wet kisses and licks on my mouth and nose till i remembered last night he was sitting on the sofa licking his malteseres  :rofl: Was too late so i let him carry on ;)
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Post by: Kay and Penny on August 05, 2013, 22:57:36 PM
we've all had those sort of kisses at one time or another - just another hazard of being a cat owner :sick:

and they do look cute together, or at least in the same frame - I have a feeling they are going to be very good friends in no time, though I'm willing to bet Felicity goes on giving him the occasional hiss and swipe - these young fellas have to be reminded of their place ;)

by the way, that tail at 90 degrees suggests Felicity is very pleased to see her black pal
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Post by: sheilarose on August 05, 2013, 23:06:50 PM
Is blackie an unneutered Tom, Pav? That big flag of a tail is definitely "come up and see me sometime"  ;)

I've seen my (spayed, older) ladies react like that when a young entire stud presents himself here (one never ceases to enjoy the form of a fine young man, after all  :shy: ) Very becoming he is.  :Luv2:

As for wee tomboy, I think these two will come to blows soon, and afterwards will be very much closer.
It took an incident with deadly enemies Rufus (12 months) and Sadie (12 weeks) whereby an accidental collision ended with Rufus picking her up and licking her head. They were inseparable after that.  ;D Hoping the same for these two.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 06, 2013, 07:37:40 AM



Oh Pav.  Heartrending reading this post, but my heart goes out to you for taking the little one on.  So typical of your generosity of spirit.   :hug:   he's a little belter, as we say up here (it's a compliment  ;) :evillaugh:

As long as Felicity has places she can "escape" to, such as places he cant access yet, then all should be good.  Sweet that he came up the stairs too.  I remember when we got Ross, and OH decided he wasnt going to bring him up to bedroom, because that had been Mac's spot.    We'd been in bed all of ten minutes when he got up again, went downstairs and brought our little Beefy up with him.  From tha night on, we had another little body cuddling into our heads, and all was good with the world again.....   :Luv:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on August 06, 2013, 08:56:45 AM
Pav, lovely pics  :Luv: :Luv: I'm sure Felicity and the new little boy will sort things out soon.  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on August 06, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
all of mine do tail up as a greeting to me!  if I go out into the garden and they are out they come running with tails up, I always took it as a hello type of thing!  its such early days pav, I bet the two of them will be fine in another week
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Post by: Rosella moggy on August 06, 2013, 09:41:41 AM
I'm sure peeps have mentioned many times on here that it's between 8 and 12 weeks that mum teaches discipline.  I think it's no bad thing at all that Feliciity is teaching the little (stunningly gorgeous) boy wot da rulez iz  :)  Our Fred had to teach Groucho da rulez.  I honestly think this is going to work out just great.
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Post by: Big Cat Lover on August 06, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Ahh, Pappilon, he is gorgeous!  :Luv: I'm sure Felicity will get on with him eventually.  You are a such an angel to take on this little fella!
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Post by: pappilon on August 06, 2013, 17:13:01 PM
we've all had those sort of kisses at one time or another - just another hazard of being a cat owner :sick:

and they do look cute together, or at least in the same frame - I have a feeling they are going to be very good friends in no time, though I'm willing to bet Felicity goes on giving him the occasional hiss and swipe - these young fellas have to be reminded of their place ;)

by the way, that tail at 90 degrees suggests Felicity is very pleased to see her black pal

Kay it all kicked off this morning, i was playing with him in the sitting room and Felicity walked in and just sat there watching us really relaxed and then the kitten went towards her and for the first time sho took a swipe at him but he didnt back off and she went on swiping  so i picked him up and took him up she followed and went on sniffing his tail :scared: I noticed if he doesnt look her in the eye or sits she is ok its only when he show reaction she starts hissing.
That is what i dont understand she is pleased to see the black cat and others but is making a fuss with the kitten :(

Sheila i am not sure if the black one is full tom or not i havent been able to get close enough but have seen him marking out side i am trying to get his trust and check if he is not spayed then off to the vets :sneaky:
When yoy say they come to a blow out what should i expect? He is very small and this morning i was concerned that she hurt him.

Sue she does have places to go which is out of his reach and i leave all the windows open for her as she wont use the cat flap :shy:
I thought the same that i dont want him upstairs in the bedroom but he helped him self and i couldnt say no he looks so innocent and find comfort in digging through my hair he purrs when he does and then nod off bless him :Luv: I think our babies have a spot in our hearts  :hug: :hug:
Allison i hope so i thought to give it another week and see how it goes.
Dawn i remember Mister always walked around with his tail up. :)

Rosella thanks i didnt know about the descipline  :innocent: I thought Felicity maternal instinct will take over and she would well come him with open paws but instead she is taking a swipe on poor baby as long as she doesnt hurt him. He was fine this morning after the kick off and carried on playing as nothing happened and Felicity too its me who is getting anxious.
Thank you BCL  :hug:
Thank you every one for the support and advice. :hug:
Title: Re: Advice please
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on August 06, 2013, 17:32:27 PM
It's hard to know how much force/malice was behind the swipe. After all, the kitten didn't back off when told to do so, so Felicity could just have been teaching the kitten some manners.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 06, 2013, 18:16:44 PM


Pav - tellingly, you've hit the nail on the head - it isn't them who're getting anxious - it's you.   :hug: :hug:

Older cats will naturally "discipline" younger cats - it's what their Mother and litter mates would do naturally, so they learn parameters in play - if they're too rough or too persistent, they get a whack - and not always a soft bop, either.

Felicity wont necessarily spit at cats outside because they learn to share territory (although not always peacably - our two were terrorised around October- February time last year when two new unneueterd toms moved into the territory and began taking over, thumping and whacking all in their path, and generally behaving like the Kray twins.  Dunno what happened to them, but they haven't been seen since around May, and things have settled quietly back to normality, but Felicity is bound to feel protective of what - up until now - has been her territory.  She will however learn to share, even of she doesnt always welcome kitten attention. 

Give it time, and try not to worry, as you'll communicate the anxiety to both Felicity and the little feller.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 06, 2013, 18:59:57 PM
I agree with all said and think Felicity is just trying to teach him and if she had claws out he would have backed away.

I think they are going to be great together, just give them time  ;D

Sasa who is loads older meeps and hisses if necessary at my crazy nearly 3 yr old but he understands that she is the boss cat and backs off but as he sees an oportunity he is jumping over or past her and she stays where she is with a look.........stupid kitten!

Agree your worry and stress will transfer especially to Felicity so chill and let them get on with it, I reckon he sees her as a mum cat and she sees him as a little pest who needs some manners  ;D

If she gets malicious he will run away but will probably come back until he pushes her to the limit but wont give up LOL

Tail up is a greeting and happy cat. always know when Sasa is happy she tail ups and then when she takes me to top of stairs for a stroke she rolls over against me and whacks me with her happy tail as I stroke her.

Time to give kitty a name I reckon  ;D ;D
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Post by: pappilon on August 06, 2013, 21:08:10 PM
Sue thank you so much for explaining this now i understand why she is behaving different with other visitors
as for descipline i can say hands on heart it would be in his best interest if Felicity take over and tell him whats right and wrong as i am too soft and let him get away with every thing which is wrong. He just pulled a big chunk of my hair and he hasnt stoped climbing my hands and feet which is very painful when you wearing short sleeves i am covered in scratches and very sore already and he has been here only 3 days :)
Thank you Sue :hug: :hug:
Gill you are so right he does sees her as a mum cat i realized that this eve when she was sitting here in the room and he just wanted to get close to her and :rofl: :rofl: to her seeing him as a little pest. Yes i could see the look of stupid kitten in Felicity face to day but she is a kitten herself which Sasa is a mature and wise lady :Luv2:
I am going to try and calm down and just keep an eye on them i dont think she gets too rough its not in her nature. I just feel really sorry for him not a good start in life and so young :-:
Gill thank you  :hug: :hug:

Here is a picture i took this eve , and there was one hiss from her and then she moved.
Name oh yes i have a name in mind but do you think i should :naughty: ;)
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Post by: Mymblesdaughter on August 06, 2013, 21:22:55 PM
They look lovely together. They even look a bit alike  :Luv2:   
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 07, 2013, 00:00:52 AM
Thats a great picture  ;D ;D

Oh yes I think you should  :innocent:
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Post by: Dawn F on August 07, 2013, 08:25:09 AM
what a great picture, he looks like he has grown already!  of course he needs a name
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on August 07, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
Gorgeous pic Pav  :Luv: :Luv:

BTW, I had Simba for 3 1/2 years before I got Tiger. Simba was horrified by the new arrival. I kept Tiger downstairs when I first got him and Simba would come in the catflap, eat his food and very quickly disappear upstairs.
It took about 3 - 4 months before Simba started to accept Tiger. After that they became best mates. Just give Felicity a bit of time. She's been used to having your place all to herself and as others have said she's just putting the little boy in his place.  :) :) :)
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Post by: pappilon on August 08, 2013, 17:26:52 PM
Thank you Gill and Dawn, yesi think he has grown a bit :)
Thank you Allison  so there is still hope that she come around`3-4 months i dont think i last that long LOL ;)
This morning it kicked off again but this time he responded by taking a swipe back at Felicityand then chasing her :Crazy: Couple of times she rolled on her back and i thought that is a good sign , guess just have to wait and see.
Any advice on how to stop him jumping on my back or legs with full claws on i keep picking him up and put him on the floor but he keep doing it and it really hurts i tried blowing on his face but it doesnt stop him little monkey :-:
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Post by: lau200 on August 08, 2013, 17:47:45 PM
Someone recommended to me to use a little spray with water in it. My cat used to look at me disgusted when i used it on her  :rofl:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on August 12, 2013, 16:28:50 PM
how's that little scrap doing, Pav? have you named him, and has Felicity started to mother him yet?

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Post by: pappilon on August 12, 2013, 22:32:44 PM
Kay thank you for asking he is doing great ;D
They chased each other all weekend and it was kind of rough play and occasion cry but i watched them closely and it seemed they were enjoying them selves . The little scrap not so lil  now named           
MR Jingles keep going back for more  and Felicity put him on his place when needed ;) I did seperate them few times as i thought they both being a bit rough and then this eve it was all too quiet so i run upstairs only to find Mr Jingles on top of Felicity licking her face and cleaning her ears  :Luv: Proud of my beautiful girl  :)
Some pics of them having fun :wow:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on August 12, 2013, 22:37:56 PM
Yay!    :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :blow kiss: :blow kiss: :blow kiss:

Love the name Mr Jingles Pav  :)  He still looks pretty little to me but absolutely delighted the young man has wormed his way into Felicity's heart.    :ok:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on August 12, 2013, 23:00:15 PM
that's just wonderful - Felicity of course should be washing his ears, but she's a clever girl, and is taking her chance while he's still littler than her to turn him into her slave

it was a rotten thing to do leaving Mr Jingles and his poor sibling outside your door, but great that it has turned out so well for all of you - Mistress Felicity might even be less anxious to go out at all hours now she has a companion indoors
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Post by: Mymblesdaughter on August 12, 2013, 23:06:08 PM
So cute :Luv2: :blow kiss:
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Post by: pappilon on August 13, 2013, 00:25:11 AM
Rosella Thank you glad you like the name he is very lil , i have bars in front of my main door so i could leave the door open in summer and i made sure years ago to have the bottom part cat proof but he managed to get out the other day  :shocked:
He is such a sweet heart every evening he nods off next to me on the sofa and then wakes up in a panic and runs up my top and then falls sleep on my chest while suckling my neck i am covered in scratches and love bites :evillaugh:  Neighbour reckons its the heart beat and the warmth that reminds him of his mum :(
Thanks Kay he just doesnt standstill long enough for Felicity to wash him but i am sure with time she will take over :Luv: It was and is a rotten thing for any one to do but at least the person who did this were wise enough not to leave them in a park or just in the street . Last year Mayhew found some kittens in a bin bag two stops away from where i live and this year a box taped with kittens was found in a side street in the same area, people are heartless :'(
Mistress Felicity  ;D has been spending a bit more time indoors which is a positive thing only if they stop chasing each other all night and let me get few hours sleep :tired: I am not complaining though its lovely to see them both happy and having fun.
Thank you Mymblesdaughter. :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 13, 2013, 07:09:21 AM


Oh Pav - those photographs say it all!!!    ;D :Luv2: :wow:  See?  There was nothing to be worried about!  They are just delightful.  And I very much like the name Mr Jingles.  :wow:  That's a big thumbs up.   ;)

He clearly sees you as his "Mummy" and that's such a gift, a precious gift.  :Luv:   You can be soo proud of Miss Felicity.  My guess is she's learning just as much from Mr Jingles as Mr Jingles is learning fromher, and that photo where he's wriggling to get up to her - makes my heart melt.   :)

So pleased at your little family unit.  If ever there was a good reason for staying put, fate brought it to your door.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on August 13, 2013, 08:11:48 AM
Wonderful pics Pav  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: I love the name Mr Jingles too  :) :)
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Post by: Dawn F on August 13, 2013, 08:22:01 AM
oh pav those photos are just  :Luv2:

I'm still cross that someone put you in this position but as kittens seem to have a habit of find their way to you we can just put it down to fate
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Post by: Mymblesdaughter on August 13, 2013, 10:40:05 AM
I wouldn't plan on any sleep in the near future my two are two and a half and still run around a lot in the night :naughty: I worry about my new neighbours downstairs, they have only been there a couple of weeks and it must sound like a herd of elephants above them.

It's so lovely for Mr Jingles to have another cat he can look up to and hopefully take more of a Mummy role. 

In the first picture you can't tell were Mr Jingles starts and Felicity ends.

As you can see I came on of another look this morning as they were such lovely photos to see last night before I went to bed. Post as many picture as you like they are making me smile.  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on August 13, 2013, 20:44:14 PM


Oh Pav - those photographs say it all!!!    ;D :Luv2: :wow:  See?  There was nothing to be worried about!  They are just delightful.  And I very much like the name Mr Jingles.  :wow:  That's a big thumbs up.   ;)

He clearly sees you as his "Mummy" and that's such a gift, a precious gift.  :Luv:   You can be soo proud of Miss Felicity.  My guess is she's learning just as much from Mr Jingles as Mr Jingles is learning fromher, and that photo where he's wriggling to get up to her - makes my heart melt.   :)

So pleased at your little family unit.  If ever there was a good reason for staying put, fate brought it to your door.   :hug: :hug:
Sue Thank you for the kind words :hug: Yes as you know Mr Jingles comes from Green mile and is one of the best films i have ever seen and the lil mouse is just adorable :) I was thinking for a while to get a friend for Felicity as i felt she is lonely and seeing her trying to make friends with other cat visitors but i had in mind an older cat so she could learn from him but i delayed it as i planed to go to Iran in September just for 10 days to have a short break and sort out all my staff which is been sitting in boxes for last 3 years! and visit my brother and family i thought when i get back i will visit Mayhew but as always nothing goes to planin my life :shy: so i told my sil on Sunday i wont be going in Sep.
I do believe in fate and things happens for a reason so here we are  :)

Allison thank you so much , so pleased ever one like Mr Jingles and sending lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and your son.x
Dawn thank you, i am crossed with the person who did this as i think if he/she acted sooner the other kitten might have had a chance to be saved. :( Sending you some  :hug: :hug:
Mymblesdaughter same here when ther start chasing each other upstairs it sounds like a herd of Elephants and i panic when it all goes quiet :evillaugh: Felicity is young herself but am sure she acts on her instincts lets hope she is a good teacher she is not the brightest though :naughty:
Here is some more pics just to make you smile :hug:
First they played and then he cleaned her ears again and then she gave him a good wash :Luv:
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Post by: lau200 on August 13, 2013, 21:11:46 PM
Ive had to catch up on this Pav and im so delighted to see them playing together  :Luv2: it really warms my heart to hear and see how well the little one has settled in :) you and felicity have both done well to open your heart and home to him  ;D
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Post by: sheilarose on August 13, 2013, 21:27:26 PM
Oh well done both you and Felicity. :gold stars: Pav, I do believe Mister Jingle's going to be alllllright.  :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 13, 2013, 22:50:16 PM
Oh wow Mr Jingles and Felicity are just great  ;D ;D ;D

Sorry your plans have been disrupted aqain but boy are these two worth it  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 14, 2013, 06:49:40 AM


Those piccies are having me grinning from ear to ear.  :evillaugh:  They look made for each other.   :)
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on August 14, 2013, 08:35:57 AM
New piccies  ;D :Luv2:

Pav, they really seem to be getting on so well. Thank you for the comment about my son  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 23, 2013, 18:35:21 PM
How they doing Pav?
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Post by: pappilon on August 23, 2013, 22:30:55 PM
 Gill thank you for asking, yes they are doing really well ;D I dont keep them seperate any more during the day i was a bit concerned as Felicity some times is a bit rough with him and i hear him squeak but then he goes back for more and i thought if he is hurt he wouldnt go back so yesterday it was first time they spend spend the day together and when i got back they were both in one piece :evillaugh:
Here is some pics from last Sunday afternoon i found them in my bed having a snooze and they even eat together but he holds his food with his paws and growl when eating bless :naughty: She does get annoyed when he tries to suckle from her and wont let him but then he comes to me and starts on my neck :-[
The only problem is he refuses to eat kitten food wet or dry so am not sure  :naughty:what to do ?He has been eating same as Felicity
 Encore %100 natural in pots and applaws dry!
Mr Jingle is lovely :Luv2: and Felicity spending lot more time indoor now  :)
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Post by: Mymblesdaughter on August 24, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
Beautiful :Luv2: don't worry about the kitten food. Mine came from a rescue with their Mum at 3 weeks old and never ate kitten food. The person from the rescue said they were fine on adult food. They did get some small kitten biscuits because I was worried that they would choke on the bigger ones which they insisted on trying to eat!
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Post by: Rosella moggy on August 24, 2013, 13:43:07 PM
What incredible pics Pav  :catluv: :catluv: :catluv:

Just been showing OH and many aaaaaaaaaaaahhhs  :) :)

I too wouldn't worry too much about feeding adult food as obviously it's far more important he eats something.  Encore and Applaws eh?  Better keep that quiet if I were you as our lot will be on a train heading south  :evillaugh:  Not at all surprised he wants to make sure no one takes it from him given the quality of his grub and the awful start he had  :(

They are both very very beautiful  :)

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Post by: pappilon on August 24, 2013, 14:38:32 PM
Mymblessdaughter thank you for putting my mind at rest i got himdifferent kitten food but when i put them down he try and cover them :evillaugh: I can see him struggling with the dry food and takes him ages to have one but he doesnt minmd bless him. Atleast he drinks his cemicat milk twice a day .
Rosella thank you :hug: :hug: he is such a sweetheart :Luv2: The reason for the encore is Felicity is been to picky with her food i went through boxes and boxes of different foods and and she would just pick a mouthful and leave the food wasnt waisted as i feed the foxes but it was waist of money and then i came across the new encore in pots they are tiny but when i put down one she finish the whole pot she would leave only on treats if she could :-:
When do you think i should take him for first vacination i would like to insure him but he needs to have his vaccinations first.
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on August 24, 2013, 16:48:49 PM
Awww, what lovely photos, proof of the success story! Well done Pav and Felicity  :briggin:
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Post by: sheilarose on August 24, 2013, 16:57:13 PM
Am just delighted for you Pav, this is exactly right.  Photos show how much they love one another already.  ;D ;D ;D

One site states first vaccinations from 9 weeks, so Mr Jingles is probably about the right age. A second jab comes in three weeks after the first one. You can get him microchipped whenever you like, I'd be inclined to do this with the first vaccination.  :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 24, 2013, 19:22:12 PM
Oh how wonderful they look together and Felicitys mother instincts have taken over  ;D

He loves her too  :wow:

There never used to be such a thing as kitten food so agree with the others  ;D

What astunning gorgeous pair.
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Post by: pappilon on August 24, 2013, 23:17:42 PM
Thank you Slugsta, i have been very lucky with Felicity accepting  the kitten and allowing him to walk all over her :)
Thank you Sheila i will wait couple of more weeks as am not sure of his age vet put him at 4-5 weeks and he has been here 3 weeks now so almost there Felicity insurance is due for renewing in October so i might be able to get a better deal insuring them together ;D

Gill you are right her instincts has taken over some days she just let him do what ever he wants to her as mum cats do and other times she is strict with him and then there are days that she looks as she has had enough and takes refuge where he cant reach her :naughty: But soon he will be able to jump enough and get to window sills i am not sure what Felicity would do then :shy: But its nice to see her playing and acting like a young cat should do . Right now she is sleeping upstairs and he down here so they both know when to give each other some space. For now things are working good but as soon as he is old enough to jump to get to higher places i have to find a way to stop him going out since the windows are always open for Felicity to use.  :-:
The picture i took this afternoon , sorry for the mess and cat litters every where got the delivery today need to take them to my car but didnt fancy going out in rain :naughty:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 02, 2013, 16:00:21 PM
So behind with my readin!

You call that a mess  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  I could show mess  :rofl: :rofl:

Yes you dont want him getting out.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 02, 2013, 18:36:40 PM
Oh Pav - am delighted to see how well these two have settled down together.  He looks so tiny next to Felicity.   :Luv:

Hopefully, you can get a flapsorted out before too long, and then wont have to worry too much about the windows.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on September 04, 2013, 20:29:24 PM
Gill noway i am letting him out before getting spayed ;D I can see he is going to be a hunter :shy: when he catches his dabird or any other toys he march away with them in his mouth and hide them :evillaugh: He also love his food he loves Felicity's food too and even my vegeterian food he is like a mini dyson  :)
Sue they are getting on so well , Felicity is a small cat but he still looks tiny next to her.
I was on line looking for sureflap the other day but i got distracted and got them a cat tree instead :-[
Took me all sunday to put it up , they love it though.
Going to get the flap this week.
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on September 04, 2013, 21:27:36 PM
The tree looks great! I am thinking of getting one for Alfie is my friend doesn't want to take Cleo on - it would give him somewhere higher to go away from her (unless she got up there first!).
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2013, 21:28:27 PM
So gorgeous they are  ;D ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 05, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
The tree is fab!   :evillaugh:  They just play so well together, don't they?  Two very beautiful cats.  Absolutely beautiful.   ;D 

"Like a mini dyson"    :rofl:
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Post by: sheilarose on September 07, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
 :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 07, 2013, 08:43:29 AM
Just unbelievable how these two get on so well Pav.  Simply wonderful and scrumptiously gorgeous :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Fab tree  :wow:
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Post by: kittiesmom on September 07, 2013, 18:16:16 PM
 :Luv2:  Lovely pics they look so happy together, I love the name Mr Jingles so cute.   :catluv:
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Post by: pappilon on September 29, 2013, 22:56:25 PM
 Just wanted to share some pics of my little family :)

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 29, 2013, 23:12:14 PM
 :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 30, 2013, 07:54:06 AM



Aw Pav - they're just delightful photos.    Maybe one day I may be able to get photos of Tinky and Murray together like that.  This gives me hope.   :)
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 30, 2013, 07:56:16 AM
Mr Jingles looks right fearsome in that first pic Pav  :scared: :scared: :scared:

Then again he may just be yawning  ;)  :evillaugh:

Just gorgeous.  Simply gorgeous  :blow kiss: :blow kiss:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 30, 2013, 08:34:09 AM
Just beautiful Pav  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Dawn F on September 30, 2013, 09:26:07 AM
how cute is that!!
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Post by: Mymblesdaughter on September 30, 2013, 10:20:42 AM
They really are a beautiful couple  :Luv2: I take it everything is going well and they are best friends now?
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 30, 2013, 14:43:09 PM
wonderful piccs, Pav - they look just like mother and son, don't they
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on September 30, 2013, 21:25:48 PM
Thanks for posting those, your babies are just gawjus!  :Luv2:
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Post by: pappilon on September 30, 2013, 21:36:23 PM
Aww Thanks every one :)
Rosella he was just trying to scare me so i stop taking pics :naughty:

Sue, i am sure Tinky and Murray will get there. :hug: :hug: I think in Mr Jingle case the bond happened quicker due to  his age being so young and also Felicity maternal instincts taking over.
It seems Tinky , is not sure why Murray is there and his old friend Ross is not :(

Kay, a son Felicity didnt want ;)
I am lucky as Felicity is very gentle and a good cat but Mr Jingles is a little monkey. I feel for her as she cant get any peace now that he can jump and climb . When at home i take over and keep him busy but all day poor girl has to putup with him :evillaugh:
Good job they sleep lots.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 01, 2013, 07:28:08 AM



Thanks Pav - wise words.   :hug: :hug:   I just love seeing your two together.  They make my heart smile. 

I've told Tinky he has to "man up" - it's not as if The Sprout is a monster.  His offerings of friendship are very gentle.  I got another cold shoulder for my thoughtless comments, and he stalked off without another word....    :snooty:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on October 01, 2013, 07:55:43 AM
Oh Pav, those photos  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Sue, I'm expecting to see pics like that of Tinky and Murray in due course  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on October 01, 2013, 13:39:55 PM
Pav (may I call you that?), those photo's are beautiful! What a lucky little boy Mr Jingle is to have found such a lovely home with two wonderful foster mothers.

I would be in heaven if Alfie and Cleo could even settle comfortably in the same room. Alfie does try to get Cleo to play with him, but she just hisses and walks off.
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Post by: pappilon on October 01, 2013, 23:16:48 PM
Sue , when i read Alison thread this eve i had a big smile Tinky and Murray playing in the bedroom :wow: Its the start of a friendship i am sure Tinky is considering to offer a friendly paws to Murray . He must have realized by now that Murray is no threat to him and his mom and dady p loves him very much :hug: :hug:

Allison Thank you for the kind words :hug: :hug:

Slugsta yes thats my name ;) Thank you  :hug:
You know from my experiance with older cats i think with time Cleo will calm down, in 2000 i adopted Boy he was 4 years old you can see him in my signature he was abused by privious owner and when i adopted him i was told he need to go to a home with no other cat, kids or men as privious owner a guy used to kick him around >:( Any how in 2001 i adopted DD (Female) cat she was 10 at the time but there was no mention that she couldnt live with other cats i got her home and from the moment she met Boy she hated him :( Poor Boy was happy to have her here but she wouldnt stay in the same room as him and made sure every evening to sleep where Boy had to pass to come to the room and every time took a swipe at him , they slept in seperate rooms and not much contact till 2005 when i came back from Bolivia after 4 weeks and when opened the door was surprised not to be greated by them only to come down and found them cuddling up on my bin bag ;D It took 4 years but it happened . I lost DD in 2006 and in 2007 adopted another female Phoebe age 8-10 by this time Boy was 11 and thought they will get on well but she hated him and would get really grumpy if he was in the same room as her :( Sadly i lost them both in 2009 within three weeks of each other so she wasnt here long enough to see if it would have worked with Boy or not.
I know some times the chemistry is not there and they dont connect but if Alfie is trying and Cleo is not stressed then there is hope :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tuftyclub on October 02, 2013, 06:22:56 AM
Gorgeous pics Pav, thank you.  :hug:
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Post by: Greenlaner on October 02, 2013, 06:35:23 AM
How utterly lovely :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on October 02, 2013, 14:33:14 PM
Thank you for your reassuring words Pav!  ;D
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Post by: Misa on October 02, 2013, 14:40:49 PM
I just love those pics and guess that lupin is too big forvsasa lol.

Oh this is gill by the way....,,,sigh
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Post by: maryas on October 21, 2013, 18:51:46 PM
Pav, Mr Jingles,  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

How did I miss this thread?

You truly are an angel in disguise.

He is beautiful and I am sure Mister sent him to you to be safe and loved.

So glad Felicity loves him - they look cute together.

So sorry Sally's husband is not very good with the cat.

Mary
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Post by: pappilon on December 16, 2013, 08:45:51 AM
 Taking MR Jingles to be nuetered this morning :scared:
 I asked the nurse on the phone if they do a blood test before anaesthetic but she said he is young and there is no need!! I am so worried havent slept all night.
Finger crossed it goes well.
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Post by: Dawn F on December 16, 2013, 08:46:52 AM
all the best mr j!!
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Post by: Liz on December 16, 2013, 08:53:57 AM
Pave sending vibes for Mr Jingles and his Mum if he is anything like young Sergai he will be back before you know it and all will be well  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 16, 2013, 08:56:46 AM
Sending every good wish for Mr Jingles' bits removal Pav.  Sorry you didn't get any sleep last night abut am certain all will be OK.  Will be thinking about you both today  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Ours have never had blood tests for this op either.

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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 16, 2013, 09:00:39 AM



Oh Pav - I know how worried you'll be feeling right now - sending every positive thought for the op, and giving you a big warm hug - I know you were awake at silly oclock today.   :hug: :hug:

Moray and Tinks both send snoozles, and are very impressed that Mr Jingles is also growing up and becoming da Bigga Boy.   ;D :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 16, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
Loads of good wishes for Mr Jingles and am sure he will be fine  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on December 16, 2013, 11:02:39 AM
 Thank you all :hug: :hug:

 The vet was a young Australian guy new to practice , he said he recommend blood tests for older cats incase of hidden illness. I know its a simple op but after reading about poor little Bear Bear i just cant help thinking the worse :(

 Any how i ordered some new toy for him and it arrived this morning so finger crossed he'll be home soon and enjoys them :) Here is the pic of his new cube from Purrs Shop :Luv: and him being very norty last night! Thank you for all the support.x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 16, 2013, 11:09:30 AM
Oh Pav - what a fab piccie - and look at his new toy!!   ;D ;D ;D

I understand your concerns - after all, it's only a week since I was where you are right now.  I felt the same after reading about poor Bear Bear and of course his nibs took a day or  three to recover his natural equilibirum, but all things being equal, Mr Jingles should soon be home, exploring his new toys and heaving a sigh of relief to be back with his Mum and his gorgeous Big Sista.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 16, 2013, 11:11:09 AM
Great pics Pav  ;D
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Post by: pappilon on December 16, 2013, 14:04:30 PM
 Just called the vet and the nurse said Mr Jingles doing great :cheer: :cheer: My gorgeous boy is fine :)
I dont think i'd be this happy if i had won the lottery :evillaugh:

Thank you every one for reassurance and kind thoughts :hug: :hug:x

Gill i hope the vet can sort Sasa's eye. Sending some gentle hugs for her and you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on December 16, 2013, 14:12:10 PM
great news, even though you know they will probably be ok, its nice to get that call!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 16, 2013, 14:12:46 PM
 :wow:  Excellent news, Pav.  So very pleased, and know how relieved you'll be.   :hug: :hug: :hug:

Now, we just need to see piccies of him playing wiv his new toy.  ;)

Gill, also adding my thoughts - have you managed to get in touch with the vet to tell tham what's going on?
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Post by: sheilarose on December 16, 2013, 14:36:09 PM
That's wonderful Pav. So pleased he's done well.  ;D

I think blood tests can give false readings in very young cats because they still have their Mum's antibodies. After 6 months it will be more accurate, but I never bother with blood tests unless the cat appears to be sick and needs a blood work-up for diagnosis.

Gill, hoping you get some equally good news about Sasa.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on December 16, 2013, 14:51:24 PM
 Thank you every one :hug: :hug:

 Just waiting for the cab to go and pick him up, cooked him some fresh chikun which i hope he eats since Felicity turn her nose when i offered her some :-: Now i can sort his insurrance  .

 Thank you Sheila, i didnt know that about younger cats i am glad the vet didnt do the test then as he is not 6 months old yet!

Sue def will do some pictures, i have taken tomorrow off to stay in and watch him just incase so will do lots of pics ;)

Dawn Thank you  :hug: :hug: Am pleased Willow's check up went well on Friday :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 16, 2013, 15:10:37 PM
Great news Pav  ;D ;D ;D

I have spoken to Gareth and he says that the body rejects things like stitches sometimes as it takes them about 3 months to desolve so he thinks sasas body has thrown out the knot along with the thread. he says that she will be well healed by now and i can either try and cut off or take her in so he can cut! or just leave and it will gradually disolve and drop off.

he thinks she may have caught her eye or have a mild infection but doesnt think a problem.

he will be in wed to fri so gonna keep an eye sic on her but she shoulf not swell up again............so need to try and work out if she is swollen.

so not really very happy.
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on December 16, 2013, 16:15:14 PM
Great news Pav  :briggin: Ours love their cube, I hope Mr Jingles has fun with his.

Gill, I'm sorry Sasa is having problems with that eye  :( In human medicine it was quite common to get patients having problems caused by the suture material, I hope it is nothing to worry about  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on December 16, 2013, 16:20:45 PM
Oh Gill i dont blame you for not being happy. Its so very stressfull for both you and Sasa to have another vet visit :( Could you maybe take a picture of her eye/ face and email it to Gareth so he can advice to take her in or not?

I was told by the young nice vet to watch Mr Jingles for 48 hours not to lick himself!! And then try and keep him under min activities for next 2 weeks which i replied impossible :Crazy: I guess i am on lick watch tonight :naughty: Well not complaining just so grateful he is home.
x
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 16, 2013, 17:32:23 PM
I am hoping that she doesnt need to go Pav and impossible to look at let alone get a picture!

I have never heard of trying to stop them licking or anything like that Pav. maybe he is just trying to be uber careful.  :hug: :hug:

Why are cats so stressing  :innocent:
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on December 16, 2013, 19:40:43 PM
when Alfie was 'done' the vet said that the occasional lick (from Alfie, not me!!) was OK but I should let them know if he was licking to the degree that he wouldn't leave it alone. I certainly didn't have to sit up all night watching him. In fact, Alfie went and sat in the bathroom handbasin, I guess it was probably cool against his nether regions!
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Post by: sheilarose on December 16, 2013, 19:56:54 PM
When George came back from the vet he wanted to clean his newly shaved bits, but once he'd finished (two minutes, perhaps less) I distracted him with some treats and he left the area alone after that. George is a fair bit older than Mr Jingles though, and all the kittens I've had castrated have barely shown any interest at all.

Don't fret, Pav, he's already past the hard bit.  :evillaugh:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on December 16, 2013, 20:33:30 PM
So glad all went well Pav :hug: Hope that there will not be too much licking this evening :hug:

Just love all the pics of Mr Jingles and Felicity together :Luv:

Archie loves his cube too :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 17, 2013, 07:07:06 AM
Morning Pav

Hope that Mr Jingles is bright and chirpy this morning, with minimal licking of the de-bobbed area.   :hug: :hug:  What did he think of his cube?  ;D
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Post by: pappilon on December 17, 2013, 07:46:52 AM
 Good Morning Sue

Thanks , i had to take all his new toys away as he was over excited and wouldnt stop running around and playing :-: I know bad meomy but he just didnt stop till 1.30 am somuch for min activities.

I think he is a bit sore this morning as he is quiet and not eating his breakfast which is not like him just have to wait and see. I have to check him later to see if his bits is swollen  :-[ I 'll keep an eye on him.
 
Gill, hoping that Sasa's eye is looking better today . Thinking of you and her :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 17, 2013, 08:26:47 AM


Aw bless him.  I expect he's feeling a bit tender this morning, but hoping that before much longer he'll be bombing about the house, testing out his toys again (maybe he's disappointed he had to have an "early" night?  ;) :evillaugh:)

Sending big hugs to all of you.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 17, 2013, 09:11:03 AM
Delighted all went well Pav  :)  Remember that general anaesthetic takes a while to exit the system and cats react differently to it.  Not a bad thing that he is a bit quieter today. 

Hope he regains his appetite soon which will help put your mind at rest  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on December 17, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
Oh Pav, Mr Jingles has nothing to jingle anymore  :evillaugh:

One happy family soon enough  :hug:

Mary
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Post by: pappilon on December 17, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
Oh Pav, Mr Jingles has nothing to jingle anymore  :evillaugh:

One happy family soon enough  :hug:

Mary

 :evillaugh: :evillaugh:

Thanks , i checked him and what is remaining there looks fine a bit odd looking like a round parcel with lots of threads hanging but not swallon :sick: I remember Mister's looked nice and tidy but hey maybe its the Australian way of neutering :-:
He is fine not eating but chasing poor Felicity up and down .
Thank you so much .x
 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 17, 2013, 17:52:43 PM
Keep an eye on it Pav just in case...........he should be using same procedure as in UK!

Have parrcels  thanks  ;D
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Post by: alisonandarchie on December 17, 2013, 22:42:54 PM
Sound like he is well on the mend ;D Watch out Felicity :evillaugh:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 18, 2013, 06:35:42 AM
Hey Pav - how's everyone this morning?
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Post by: KittyNic on December 18, 2013, 07:39:23 AM
It's lovely to see Felicity and Mr Jingles playing and sleeping together after the somewhat awkward start. You'll probably find Mr Jingles brings a younger side of Felicity out. My Codex did that with my old boy Sam when she turned up as a kitten. :-)

They are both beautiful cats.

I hope Mr Jingles recovers from his bauble removing quickly. Jacob didn't seem bothered by it at all even though he had to have multiple stitches due to a more blood supply to larger than normal baubles!
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Post by: pappilon on December 18, 2013, 20:30:54 PM
Hey Pav - how's everyone this morning?

Sue, thank you every thing is fine.Mr jingles is well and all looks good :)
I have been thinking of you all day :hug: :hug: :hug:
x
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Post by: pappilon on December 18, 2013, 20:32:15 PM
Sound like he is well on the mend ;D Watch out Felicity :evillaugh:
Thanks Alison, poor Felicity i do feel for her some days
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Post by: pappilon on December 18, 2013, 20:42:06 PM
 Thank you KittyNic, he is fine today. Felicity is quite young she is under 2 but he is a bit too much some times and she gets very grumpy. He can play rough and she is very gentle so it gets to her . But then she forgives him bless :Luv2:
Here is few pics i took earlier , he did look a bit odd at times but he is good now :evillaugh:
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Post by: pappilon on December 18, 2013, 20:51:13 PM
 This is the morning after, which they kiss and makeup :Luv:
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Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on December 18, 2013, 20:51:57 PM
Lovely photos Pav!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 18, 2013, 21:10:20 PM
Great pics and Felicity is so like Sasa  ;D ;D
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 18, 2013, 23:39:23 PM
Heavens above Pav  :wow:  What a darling boy he is  :catluv: :catluv: :catluv:

They are truly stunning beauties  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: maryas on December 18, 2013, 23:59:07 PM
Aaaw bless  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 19, 2013, 06:53:47 AM
 :evillaugh:   Now there are pictures to warm your heart on a cold and wet winter's morning.  Mr Jingles' face!!   :Luv: :Luv:    So pleased he's back to normal Pav, and much heatrfelt sympathies to Miss Felicity at her having to put up with such unruly behaviour :evillaugh: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on December 19, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
Gorgeous pics Pav  :Luv2: :Luv2:

So glad to hear that Mr Jingles is fine....even if he is now without his jingles  :evillaugh:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on December 21, 2013, 13:09:55 PM
Hope Mr Jingles is fully better today :hug:

Oh my word they do look so sweet together and it is so nice they get on brilliantly :Luv2:

Had to laugh at the pic of Mr Jingles with his tongue out :evillaugh:
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Post by: pappilon on March 02, 2014, 22:51:24 PM
  Felicity's new scratch bed from zooplus, i highly recommend it . She loves it :Luv:
  And Mr Jingles relaxing in his own way :naughty:
 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2014, 22:54:01 PM
Wonderful she is soooooooooooooo gorgeous  ;D ;D ;D

So is Mr Jingles, I love them both  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: pappilon on March 02, 2014, 23:38:27 PM
  Awww thanks Gill :hug: :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 03, 2014, 07:42:52 AM
 :evillaugh: :evillaugh:   I just love seeing photos of these two.   I really do - not only are they just gorgeous, and your heart's own delight, but they inspired us to keep going and to give Moray and Tinks a fighting chance together.  What's not to love?   :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on March 03, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
Oh Pav.  They are both so VERY beautiful  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Just love the pic of Master J leaning forward  :evillaugh:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on March 03, 2014, 08:18:41 AM
Just gorgeous, two very contented furries :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on March 03, 2014, 08:27:46 AM
Fab pics Pav  :hug: :hug: They are both so gorgeous  :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Dawn F on March 03, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
what a lovely sight! and it could have been so very different for both of them
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Post by: maryas on March 03, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
I totally agree, we love them for the reason they have a fantastic life with you as well as them being gorgeous  :Luv2: :hug:

The 'bottom' one of Mr J being rather rude is so funny  ;) :hug:

Mary
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Post by: sheilarose on March 03, 2014, 23:30:50 PM
Two babies that found their destiny - the very very lucky ones.  ;D

Gods bless you Pav, for all you do. :clap: