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Title: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 10, 2011, 23:28:56 PM: Hi
a quick apology to those that may be upset by mo's pics, i have started this thread for mo in the hope that she can only improve from her current state which will be explained later. It will help me to deal with improvement by keeping this thread as her ongoing diary as im praying that i will see a gradual change in Mo and then this will be a thread for Mo to show off the hidden beauty i knew she is :-[
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Anka on November 10, 2011, 23:31:51 PM: What a beauty.... sure you will have her sorted in not time at all.... poor baby :(
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 11, 2011, 00:03:58 AM: thxs hun :hug:
Mo's story :-[
Mo was advertised about 3 weeks ago as needing a new home due to the lady working away, and son having an allergy so unable to deal with feeding mo although the neighbour was soposed to be feeding mo.
I made enquirys about mo,s health, age temperment etc and the lady said mo had allways been in good health but took her to vets to get all clear. the vet apparently said mo had a mouth infection (she does have ulcers) and gave her antibiotics for a fortnight so I kept in touch etc asing about Mo and the lady sent two pics of mo where she looked fine. all seemed in order and i was going to go and meet Mo and if all was well bring her home, well the fortnights treatment ended yesterday for mo so i talked to lady and said I would come across (quite a distance for me as other end of city), i dont drive and have flu so not in a good state so when she offered to bring Mo to meet me i was quite gratefull as didnt really fancy the journey but hadnt wanting to mess lady about as knew she had wanted to get Mo rehomed and after seeing mos pic and hearing about her i felt a bit smitten :shy:

anyhows the lady came with mo in a basket and this adorable white furball crept out and then the reality of how skinny she was beame apparent.
the woman said mos not a big eater, (It appears Mo has been starved :'(
anyhow i was totally at a loss for words, I have never seen a cat so thin, beneath the fur you see is sheer rib and bone, even the tail is little nubbles of bone, i was totally overwhelmed by the situation.
I now some may have battered the woman and reported her straight away but all that was going through my head was...say goodbye , get help quick for mo! i didnt want the opertunity of Mo having to go through more being a possibility.
anyhows Mo has been to vets today, she weighs 1.2kg....... :(
the vet said if i hadnt have got Mo then she would not have survived much longer at all where she was and it was really more in the scope of RSPCA as this was cat cruelty without doubt. she has mucus from her mouth due to ulceration , also her ears are really bad but shes so thin he can only give antibiotics and special food at the moment , its possible she has renal? disease but he said the fact she was still alert and ate some of the special food gave him hope.
in character shes an angel though, Its heartbreaking this has happened as shes so loving and follows you about , someone must have fussed her before....
Title: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 11, 2011, 00:09:56 AM: The poor baby :( How could anyone let her get in that state. I really hope she can build her strength up and become the cat she deserves to be :hug:

Do you know how old she is supposed to be?
Title: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 11, 2011, 00:10:41 AM: Woops, am on the iPod and it posted again
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Anka on November 11, 2011, 00:12:13 AM: 1.2kg?

OMG... poor little thing......

Good you got her in time... hopefully you will manage to sort this little bundle of shin and fur out...

What did the vet say about why she is so thin? Starved or could not eat because of the ulcers?

Poor poor little furball :(
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 11, 2011, 01:26:32 AM: She is gorgeous Jo and I know she is starting to eat AD Diet and do hope that she will be OK :hug: :hug:

I think this diary is a great idea and hope in a month or two we will see her true lovelyness and hope that her internal organs will be ok :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Dawn F on November 11, 2011, 08:17:11 AM: poor little thing, I wonder as well if the bad mouth is what has stopped her eating, look forward to seeing her blossom
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 11, 2011, 09:23:47 AM: the vet and the nurse were both looking quite emotional too, i dont thin we will know if shes thin because she couldnt eat because of ulcers or the ulcers are because she was so run down?
shes been neglected for a while id say , a few little matts that she missed when cutting rest of furr, ears manky probably mites...eyes not sure yet. im not even sure what colour they are at the moment as she looks too unwell :-[
the vet isnt sure yet if the ulcers are because of renal disease but said she looks hopefull as she seems to be be aware of stuff and if a cat with renal disease at her weight and condition came in he thought they wouldnt be able to eat or show interest in stuff....
he was pretty overwhelmed by her condition, and obviously thought of the welfare/cruelty issues involved. i could only tell him what the lady told me...which probably isnt a whole lot of good as who nows what the truth is if you let a cat get into that condition :-:
i was given a paper with 5 generations of her linage on it, this gives her an age of 3 1/2.... shes so young still and should be in her prime at that age :censored:
my daughter fed her this morning so mos eaten a whole tin since last night, I am going to get her some more kitten milk as she had some and seemed to enjoy it , hopefully that may help fatten her up too.
she slept on end of my bed last night, shes found a corner she seems to like :Luv2:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: valeriewhiteside on November 11, 2011, 10:07:13 AM: This made me cry :'( Poor baby :'( Bless you for taking her in :hug: :hug: Looking forward to updates and hope she gains some weight soon ! 1.2kg :censored: :censored:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: den22 on November 11, 2011, 11:15:46 AM: Poor little baby Thank goodness for people like you :) this is the first day to the begining of a new life for her and just to be away from that so called owner is a step forward I'm sure with all the love care and attention that you give her she will be the back to full health and beauty very soon , (I can already see her potential to be a real stunner) ;)

Best wishes and Hugs to little mo :hug: :hug: and hug to you for saving her :hug: :hug:

Denise
Xxx
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 11, 2011, 11:36:36 AM: just started an ear cleanup , result a muslin cloth covered in what looks like poo :sick: ive used a gentle no rinse cat foam to give them a wipe down , its not getting it all out of her ear fur but i can at least now see her ears are pink :wow:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Anka on November 11, 2011, 11:45:13 AM: Could your vet contact the previous vet for the cat's history notes perhaps?

Hope all is well with this poor baby, good she landed with you ...
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: JackSpratt on November 11, 2011, 12:36:13 PM: Poor Mo. Glad you have her now.
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 11, 2011, 13:11:04 PM: Anka, im going to text lady later to as for details. i cant actually speak to her on phone as too emotional, in reality id love a frank and honest discussion as to what happened so i know how best to proceed with mo but so hard..
the woman seemed like a lovely lady hough, thats whats really messing with my brain. i wonder if she came back from away, no ones fed mo and she was too ashamed or scared to take mo to vets?? its no excuse at all if that is the case but im having trouble with dealing with how she seemed to love mo...but let this happen :Crazy:
Mo has now taken up residence under the stair cupboard in the kitchen, she has a routine of cupboard, food, stand and stare at me, wander up, go bac to food, then cupboard :innocent:
the other two cats i have are now ignoring me :-[ nd run for the hills if i come near as i presume i stink of mo... they havent gone for her and sneak peeks but arent impressed at all to this new invader of their house. :-[
mo however seems blissfully unaware as to the cat tension :innocent:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Dawn F on November 11, 2011, 13:23:01 PM: probably best that they keep a distance for now anyway, poor mo could have something catching - I'm sure she hasn't but just in case

personally I wouldn't get into a dialogue with the previous owner, it could get nasty, just concentrate on what you are doing with getting mo fixed :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 11, 2011, 13:33:37 PM: Poor little soul. I bet she'll feed up to be an absolute beauty, assuming her general health turns out not to be so bad as a result of renal problems.

I guess, maybe the woman did love her very much, but was ignorant how to care for her. Cats can lose weight and condition very quickly when they're ill, and as many of us know, they're expert at concealing the true extent of their discomfort.

Whether she had her to the vet or not, she may be too ashamed to own up to it. There was a bit on TV this morning saying how many animal shelters are seeing animals brought in because owners can no longer afford to care for them, many of them having illnesses of long standing which clearly haven't been treated because either their owners couldn't afford it, or couldn't be bothered to seek help.

Your babies will be weighing up the new intruder on their patch, hence the cold shoulder treatment. :hug: :hug: I hope everything goes well for you all. :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: bunglycat on November 11, 2011, 16:20:48 PM: Poor baby , I am so please you now have her and she has the potential to be stunning with love , care and good food.

With the ulcers , have they thought about calichi (sp) virus ? That causes ulcers in the mouth and snuffling/ sneezing.

Loads of small and often meals and the kitten milk will help too, also a heat pad and fleecy blanket to keep her warm as she has no weight on her.

Good luck ,will be looking forward to updates on her and hope she improves every day.

Also , there is a good vitamin powder she would benefit from called Aviproplus , it's £8.50 delivered from.
Petsense and can work wonders . You can put in drinking water or mix a small amount and give it direct in a syringe , I use it a lot on my Persians.
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Dawn F on November 11, 2011, 16:22:36 PM: good point Gill calici does cause mouth ulcers but even if she does have this it might never flare up again one of ours has been fine for years
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: bunglycat on November 11, 2011, 17:05:23 PM: pandora has it and has been fine so far.
Smartie has the Herpesvirus ,but never had any mouth ulcers, but wonder now if that could have been part cause of his nose tumour ?
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 11, 2011, 17:47:06 PM: hi than for all the advice and support
re the ulcers, i thin the vet just wants to get her weight up first before we discuss tests etc as she really is that skinny. in the pics you cant actually see that she has no body fat...at all :'(
im to go bac next tues to see if shes gained weight and if the ulcers are responding at all..poor girl had puss like gun on her mouth so just cleaned that up and then she lapped up a lot of kitten milk so she wasnt amused i wiped her off again :innocent:
i will order some of the powder, that sounds a good idea as her immune system may be very low at moment vet said so anyway i can get her to perk up will be brilliant :shy:
do you think her hair is so thin because of how malnourished she is, its very sparse, not like miyagi who has top coat, undercoat and a lot more just for spares :evillaugh:
such a shame poor girl, i stroked two lovely cats on the way to collect kids and even the street cats round here look in tiptop shape compared to mo :scared:
she has also left a fair amount of her hair on my bed so guess its falling out as well..
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 11, 2011, 17:51:41 PM: I am sure the fur is a symptom of her mal nurishment and once she gains health again it will improve although it will take time.

Ducha who is very thin still has nice fur although like with Franta they shed a lot but then he is 18 yrs plus.
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: caledonia on November 11, 2011, 21:27:34 PM: Oh what a wee scone!!

I cannot believe she got to 1.2 KG!!!! Edgar dropped to 2.9 Kg and was skin and bones in the end - poor little mite! I am glad she is in a good home now and I look forward to seeing her flourish ;D
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: funkiechicken on November 11, 2011, 23:40:54 PM: bless her heart xx :'( :Luv2:

I'm so pleased, that despite the previous owners neglect she at least sought to rehome her rather than let her deteriorate further.....I am pleased also that Mo got someone as lovely as you to get her back to tip top condition xx

Cant wait for the "after" pics :hug: :hug: xx
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Anka on November 12, 2011, 01:39:53 AM: OK- if the previous owner claims she took Mo to the vets 2 weeks ago and she was given antibiotics - ask for vet details, say your vet needs to know what antibniotics Mo was on.... Your vet needs to be able to request past history anyway and I do not believe Mo seen a vet in the last 2 weeks and that the vet never notices how poorly she looked... :(
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Anka on November 12, 2011, 16:40:41 PM: How is the little one?
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: sheilarose on November 12, 2011, 17:04:08 PM: Quote from: Dawn F on November 11, 2011, 13:23:01 PM
probably best that they keep a distance for now anyway, poor mo could have something catching - I'm sure she hasn't but just in case
:hug:

Oh my word, I just saw this. Bless you for saving her this far. I too would be cautious about letting her mix with your other cats this soon, though.

Something nasty (I'm thinking possibly FelV) lurking in the background may only become apparent with blood tests, by then it may have spread to the others. Can you house and feed her separately from the others until this has been ruled out?
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 12, 2011, 19:05:33 PM: hi been a hectic day today
just got back from hospital with son, hes been having muscle spasms and does other stuff so they think its possible he has tourettes although worse is the man said it was cloudy behind sons eyes and he now needs an mri to check there isnt a mass behind his eyes :(
so life is all over the place....
mo has been eating finely chopped chicken prepared by oh (he seems very upset over mo and been fussing the other cats for first time!), mo has also been lapping up the cat milk and seems to love it :wow:
shes still slobbering gunk from mouth though but does seem a bit perkier than when she arrived.
she has her own bowls and has the domain of kitchen during day and sleeps with me at night when i carry her up to bed. the other two have the run of rest of house, there has been moments where they have passed due to children leaving doors open etc , its hard to control with people coming and going every minute but thankfully my two furrballs seem to be keeping their distance from mo and dont have any desire to try to get to her or her food.
If i go to my room i take mo up too and let her sit on the bed (shes spurned the new bed, blanket and furry rug :innocent:)
Miyagi is sulking as i normally let him sit on my window sill :scared:
Georgia is banned from my room anyway as she has the habit of running in jumping on duvet, peeing on it and running off...why i dont know :Crazy:
she did stop that behaviour when it was summer as she was out most of the day in the garden but think her and miyagi may be going a bit stir crazy as weathers awfull, fireworks still going off here so i dont want them out.
Miyagi actually forgave me last night after i had a little chat with him :evillaugh: he did wander off after our discussion to sit on my laptop giving me a smug grin as if to say ha what you gonna do now huh :Crazy: so i just smiled and went upstairs so he followed me up to sit and watch me in bath as he sat in the sink, then played catch the bubbles :rofl:
poor mo doesnt seem interested in playing with any toys etc but no wonder really :innocent:
she is definately more of a cat ..cat though as loves to follow you about wind around your legs and do fridge patrol. Miyagi is more dog like, he likes to sit at ohs feet with his paws in ohs flipflops or playing fetch :rofl:
Georgia is slightly bonkers but her mom was feral so think she still has a little wildness in her hence her permament play stalking of anything and everything and growling over her food :Crazy:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Dawn F on November 12, 2011, 19:08:13 PM: hope your son is ok :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 12, 2011, 19:16:27 PM: Quote from: Dawn F on November 12, 2011, 19:08:13 PM
hope your son is ok :hug:

Seconded here too. :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: sheilarose on November 12, 2011, 19:32:02 PM: Same here, that's a lot of worry you've got there. Let us know what we can do to help. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 12, 2011, 20:36:25 PM: lord knows whats going on here at the moment-thanks all..im trying not to worry about will(my son) as the specialist seemed a bit mad/eccentric and was twitching more than will :Crazy: so hoping its a precaution , his eye test was just a shining in the eyes rather than a full on test...i may take will to opticions this week to see if they pick anything up as well as not sure when an appointment from hospital will arrive :scared:

re mo.. shes very messy around eyes and face fur, ive wiped down , picked out loose bits and groomed out as much as i can but is there a good product for eye stains in cats do you know, looking online they all seem to be in america! I have ran out of wipes i used on miyagi so having to use a wet flannel at moment with a bit of dilute cat foam on the cheeks but she looks awfull bless her.
I dont want to get her over wet though as scared it may be too much at the moment. she has also thoughtfully chewed her tail fur and think the mouth gunk has acted like glue on it :sick:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: bunglycat on November 12, 2011, 21:29:26 PM: Hi
Poor Mo.
Eye envy is good for stains and think its antibiotic too. You can buy from Purrsonal touch (online too ) its around £16- £18 as got mine a while back and it's the best you can buy for eye stains.
Also if you have Asda nearby ,you can get their own make cosmetic eye pads to use with the eye cleaner. There are only £1 for over 100.
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: sheilarose on November 12, 2011, 21:55:31 PM: At risk of making your night worse, I've thrown a few ideas down here - too much time on my hands tonight.

It's stuff I wish I'd known years ago when I started rescuing sickly cats, much of which I've learned from this forum.

Have a shuffle through this page:

http://www.fabcats.org/owners/mouth/info.html

There are definitions of most mouth problems, you can see better than we can what's happening, there may be a clue for you here.

The constant drooling will be contributing to her dehydration. Can you let down the kitten milk with a little water to help her fluid intake?

I would leave her stained fur until later, the preparations that deal with this might not be good for her right now.

Here it is, though: http://www.vetuk.co.uk/eye-products-c-663/tear-stainum-remover-p-4805

As for the poo in her ears, that's precisely what it will be, earmite poo is the black stuff she's clogged up with and needs to be removed. There are videos on line showing how to do this using cotton pads.

http://www.vetuk.co.uk/ear-products-c-8/cleanaural-cat-ear-cleaner-p-32

The mites themselves usually need to be killed off using Canaural lotion that your vet will prescribe. Everyday for two weeks. She needs an effective flea treatment like Frontline to help kill of any mites that may not be directly inside the ear canal, and her surroundings will need to be treated with an insecticide like Indorex. Earmites are easily transmitted between animals, so this is quite important.

If she's had fleas and earmites she will certainly have worms. Your vet will advise when it is safe to administer worm and flea treatments, as she's so frail just now you need to be sure not to overload her with too many preparations, and they need to be done in order of priority. When you see the vet take a notepad with you and get him to order each of the treatments for you, so he may worm her for you, but advise leaving her for a few days before applying the flea treatment.

Please also bear in mind, if you are likely to ask for a blood test, insist this is done BEFORE the vet administers ANY anti-biotics, as these skew any results and mean you may be dosing her with ABs she doesn't actually need for weeks before you can get her tests done.

I will mention FIV here. If she is FIV positive, please don't freak out. Many false positives are found on the preliminary tests. If the secondary test is also positive, you need to come back to us for advice because this is not a dangerous condition and new research is disproving the old wives tales over and over. In fact, if my new intakes seem healthy I choose now NOT to test, because I know I would not treat them any differently if I knew they were FIV+ve or not. FIV is transmitted only by deep bite wound or direct transfer into the blood stream or sexual contact. It is not transferred by sharing food bowls, litter boxes or casual contact (cuddles).

FelV, however is a far more serious matter and as she is frail and sick already, I would ask for the FelV test.
This is a highly contagious and lethal condition that can be spread to other cats by the saliva and nasal secretions and has a longer shelf life outside the body - up to 2 days, so can be transmitted by shared water and food bowls, litter boxes and on human hands. If she has FelV there is little you can do for her, especially as she's already sick. Felv does not affect humans or dogs, however.

She is already showing some worrying symptoms and you do need the FelV test, as soon as you can. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Yvonne on November 12, 2011, 22:49:21 PM: I think you are doing a brilliant job

Wishing you, Mo and will all the best x
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 13, 2011, 01:08:29 AM: thxs all
oh shiela, is there a smiley on here for banging your head on the ground :-[
Ive been reading up on some of the dieases so have got concerns but trying not to fret till i see vet on tues. basically she was close to death when she arrived so the vet said tests etc, all the worming, ear mites etc will come later when she is in a stable enough state to be able to endure it.
he did give her an anti biotic shot for her mouth ulcers but other than that there wasnt anything else he would have liked to do in her present state.
re the milk..shes drinking water as well, i could dilute the milk though just in case :shy:
she has really perked up today though :wow: shes started grooming and eaten a tin of the ad stuff again (fed by daughter who is now mos food slave :innocent:)
the gunk is still coming out but im sure her mouth may be feeling a bit better if she is able to now lick her paws..althugh she tends to slime them instead :sick:
Its not so much the tear stuff im worried about as just keeping the whole area clean in general at the moment, the gunk sticks like glue so having to wet flannel her face at moment and make sure its not going up to her eyes although after watching her groom her face with her paws its likely it has :-:
she is moving quicker, trotting about and laying stetched out, she looks more relaxed which is good to see although that may just be her character rather than her health.. Im yet to see.
i dont want to isolate her in a room on her own really but if its for the best then i do have a room upstairs and a spare bathroom. Ive let her nest in my room mainly as the first night i was so wrried i wanted to be next to her in case she took a turn for the worst...
I will look at your links though for sure to make sure im up t date n all the possibilitys. Mo's had an awfull life lately and im not giving up on her, shes melted all our hearts :shy:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: bunglycat on November 13, 2011, 01:22:27 AM: :gold stars: :gold stars: :gold stars: :gold stars:
Good luck and pleased she has picked up tonight, hope every day brings improvement.
Poor little girl, so pleased you have her :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: sheilarose on November 13, 2011, 10:55:21 AM: Yes, this is the smiley you want :brick: and I know exactly how you feel.

Personally I think the previous owner needs to be found and prosecuted. No matter what she told you, the state that animal has been allowed to get into is cruelty of the highest degree, and the owners need to be stopped from doing this ever again.

The only explanation that MAY hold water is if her previous vet had written poor Mo off and advised PTS which the owner didn't want. I would get the pics to the RSPCA with your statement and let them investigate fully. You may be saving countless other animals from the same fate and your conscience will be clear.

I'm very pleased you've committed to this poor creature, I do hope she's going to be OK, and I know that if she's only got the slightlest chance of making it, it will be wholly down to yours and your daughter's love. I salute you.

As for the possible FelV contagion, it's awful contemplating the worst case scenarios, but there's an elephant in the room here that no-one was mentioning. Someone had to say it as your other cats may be at risk. Sorry it was me :innocent: but better safe than sorry AND once you've accepted the possibility, everything else is good news. :)

Delighted to hear she's perking up, it really does sound like she's making a fight of it with your support. Bless your hearts :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2011, 12:45:42 PM: Mo sounds as if she is doing really well and is feeling better in herself, amazing what a few days of food can do :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 13, 2011, 15:25:14 PM: gill i can actually see her eyes today :wow:, they are a very pale blue, the centres look a bit red/albino, not sure what that is but sure vet will know... shes going into isolation in top bathroom now though :-[ i know its best for all the cats but visualise myself sat in there with a book to keep her company :shy:
the gunk is still coming though, never seen anything like it, its never ending..she woke me up by coughing up a load of it on my bedroom carpet :sick:
shes not eaten so much today yet but got a chicken in so see if that tempts her later. ive got some shampoo and eye cleaner etc so im going to attempt to at least wash off those gunky paws and wipe off her chops properly.
I aslo bought her another bed...a triangle house this time and a new snuggle blanket, dont ask why as i bought her a bed on weds :shify:which she has refused to use :innocent:
hopefully Georgia and miyagi will be happier as they can reclaim downstairs again, just got to make sure its all sterile before they start their patrols...for some reason now mo has four bowls, one for her ad meat, one for her canin biscuits or chopped chicken, one for milk and one for water :Crazy: it does keep disapearing though so she is working her way though it......miyagi and georgia also had a double breakfast as i fed them then daughter came down and fed them...accusing my of neglecting them :innocent:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2011, 19:58:33 PM: Am pretty sure that the gunk coming out is good but sounds like she needs more abs as she has a huge infection.

I think that she is doing remarkably well with your loving care :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Introducing little mo- (pics may upset)
Post by: thekittensmittens on November 13, 2011, 22:10:12 PM: thxs gill :hug:
well mo is now bathed and cleaned (well face clean up lasted about an hour till it regunked :-[) her ears are now pink but still need mite stuff putting in when vet thinks its ok..
i took some pics of her in the bath so you can see the full extent of the state of her :censored:
poor girl just stood there like she was on show, the only place she hates being touched is near her mouth but not suprised.
poor little mo , she must have been stunning once with those huge blue eyes, just pray she will be again. the kids are being good as they demanded to know why shes locked in bathroom but even the youngest understands that mo is very poorly :shy:
oh a result..mo has done a poo :wow: :rofl: strange how its something to celebrate :shocked:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 13, 2011, 22:39:02 PM: A poo (healthy one that is) is most definitely a cause for celebration :hug: :hug: :hug:

Have everything crossed for this glorious little girl :Luv: :care:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 13, 2011, 23:08:02 PM: horrendous bath pic...sorry folks, just want to show what poor mo is going through. she was very sticky and dirty with the gunk all over her face and paws so despite trying to flannel it off it was simpler to give her a quick bath :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2011, 23:24:46 PM: To be honest I dont think that she looks that bad and Ducha would probably look worse cos he also only has one back leg.

So much of cats is their big fur and reckon you will find that she has already put weight on since she arrived with you and now she has used the tray it means that she has something going into her body and coming out.

I am sure that she will be around 2 kgs when she is next weighed .

She is going to be a lovely girl ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 14, 2011, 07:18:25 AM: I have to say, post bath she already looks better (poor girl!). She shows a lot of promise. I bet once her mouth has stopped hurting her she'll fill out beautifully. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on November 14, 2011, 08:39:56 AM: bless her, she is starting to look better
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 14, 2011, 09:04:25 AM: shes now refusing ad special food but eating other stuff i bought her in sachets that looked appetising :innocent: I have a feeling she is going to be one of those fussy cats who changes their mind each day :innocent:
daughter said mo;s ribs dont feel as prominent, shes also got some weight on her belly and opening u her mouth too as before she found it very uncomfortable.
i texted lady to ask for her surname and home adress in case her vet needed to know to transfer her details to my vet but she hasnst replied :innocent:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 14, 2011, 09:49:40 AM: Is she micro chipped Jo?
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 14, 2011, 13:19:20 PM: thxs for your pm :hug: no shes not microchipped, the womans :censored: me off now as not sent her surname so unlikely going to get details of the prior vets.
you know after looking after mo i feel bad , i feel guilty washing her and scrubbing her etc like im the bloody abuser when she gets dirty again in her ears etc as it must be awfull for her :Crazy:
just got to keep telling myself it is going to get better for her..fingers crossed!
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 14, 2011, 13:26:23 PM: If you have been given the correct cat name and the right vet details, they should be able to track her down from her description. TBH, I would be surprised if the former vet practice doesn't remember her just from the description :hug:

Deep breaths Jo :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2011, 13:39:05 PM: You are doing everything right for Little Mo :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 14, 2011, 14:18:19 PM: thxs you two...feel sane again after going to sit with mo and giving her some ham :wow: and her eyes are now fully open, huge blue poppers :Luv2:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 14, 2011, 15:56:27 PM: The fact that she is eating is a good sign Jo altho she has a long way to go. Try and keep your expectations at a realistic level. A little improvement each day is so much better than any dramatic changes.

Am sending so many good wishes for Mo, you, your daughter (you've brought her up well haven't you :gold stars: ) and the rest of your family :)
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 15, 2011, 14:22:59 PM: Quote from: thekittensmittens on November 13, 2011, 15:25:14 PM
gill i can actually see her eyes today :wow:, they are a very pale blue, the centres look a bit red/albino, not sure what that is but sure vet will know...

so glad you she is now getting the TLC she deserves :hug: she looks like a cream colourpoint - colourpoints always have blue eyes and the red you are seeing is normal, specially in the very pale colourpoints like her. :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 15, 2011, 14:34:03 PM: What a great sign that she's opening her eyes now. ;D :hug:

Maybe ultimately you have to let her old owner off the hook, annoying though that may be. The main thing is that Mo is safe now with you, and hopefully will make a full recovery.
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 14:42:48 PM: thanks for that gillian, i did try googling it but it wasnt very clear if it was normal or not, i thought maybe because the blue is so pale it could be light reflecting off pupils or something :shy:
i think if she got to a good condition again she would look very similar to your 5th cat on your sig pic.its hard to tell what colour he face hair is as it gets so gunked up and stained. after the bath shes certainly not as ginger as we thought on her points :evillaugh:
good news is this morning her mouth was no way as gunked up as it has been...its still there yes..but not as much as it has been so im really hoping that the antibiotics are helping her :wow:
my only worry is that being so rundown and skinny may have caused longtime damage internally as she was so ill :(
I am beginning to think shes a bit of a diva though over her food :innocent: i took a tin of the A/D stuff up this morning and after looking at it she showed no interest, i then put some on my finger and put it under her nose so she then went to her bowl to eat it. its like you have to tell her its ok to eat and then sit there and watch her eat it :innocent: shes pooped again and weeing a lot more as before when she came she just did a tiny wee...now it looks more like what the other cats do , i can see shes also drinking well so hopefully shes not dehydrated etc now.
shes off back to vets tonight so im hoping he will be happy with her progress..her tail doesnt feel knobbly now at all :wow: thats the easiest place for me to check her weight gain as before it was like feeling a skeleton..
im hoping the vets scales prove us right :shy:
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Post by: Dawn F on November 15, 2011, 14:47:20 PM: aww it does sound like she is making progress - there isn't anything you can do about what has come before so just concentrate on what you can help her with, you are doing an amazing job :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 15, 2011, 14:53:29 PM: Quote from: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 14:42:48 PM
i think if she got to a good condition again she would look very similar to your 5th cat on your sig pic.its hard to tell what colour he face hair is as it gets so gunked up and stained. after the bath shes certainly not as ginger as we thought on her points :evillaugh:

Yes, thats Lucy, she's a cream point. :) sometimes red points can have paler points so not always easy to tell if they are red or cream points :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 15, 2011, 14:53:57 PM: Am looking forward to an update after the "weigh in" :)
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 15, 2011, 16:03:39 PM: Have to say, you echo my concerns about poss long term damage to the letter Jo but this all sounds incredibly positive :) Sending every good wish to the beautiful Mo :care:

Everything crossed for vet visit :crossed:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2011, 16:05:21 PM: OK Ladies put your Purrs birthday bets on.............how much will little Mo weigh?

I think 2 kgs ;D ;D

Hope everything goes well at the vets :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 15, 2011, 16:08:26 PM: I'm going to say 1.5kgs as anything more will be a miracle :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2011, 16:12:48 PM: Just to remind peeps , she was 1.2 kgs :shify: :shify: I think that was 5 days ago so my bet a bit high I think.
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Post by: Dawn F on November 15, 2011, 16:16:59 PM: heres hoping for 1.5 as well
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 15, 2011, 18:30:44 PM: 1.5kg would be just super. 2kg would be utterly fantastic. ;D
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 19:26:48 PM: :winner is:
GILL !! 2kg exactly :wow:
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Post by: Dawn F on November 15, 2011, 19:32:05 PM: that is amazing, I am so pleased!!!
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 19:32:37 PM: that was the good news :shy:
bad news is he thinks her kidneys feel enlarged plus he mentioned leaukimia so she needs an ultrasound and testing in one to two weeks and he asked what my plans are if the tests are positive so anyone been in similar situation please advise now what it all entails :-:
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Post by: Dawn F on November 15, 2011, 19:38:56 PM: oh, not so good, I don't know anything about that I'm afraid but hopefully someone who does will be along soon
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 15, 2011, 21:55:56 PM: 2kgs is utterly amazing Jo :wow:. Well done you and your daughter :hug:

Wondering if kidneys possibly feel more enlarged due to her being so thin? ~~Did he mention an ultra sound?~~ :doh: Just re read your post! If he is going to test for felv, does he think it necessary to send test off to lab (Glasgow?) or would her symptoms be enough to confirm a positive result in his opinion?

Am wondering what others think of info on this link re Felv. Sounds right as regards false positive testing results ............

http://www.felinenetwork.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=5

There is of course also the FIV/Felv section of Purrs and this thread in particular very sadly seems to confirm the view that Felv and multicat households are not a good mix.

http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,18148.0.htm

Worrying time for you all :( Sending :hug: :hug: :hug: It's not as if you have a positive Felv result yet though ..... meanwhile think you need to keep her isolated :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2011, 22:24:48 PM: So pleased she has reached 2kg and hopefully she will continue to go onwards and upwards ;D

I am sure that Napoleon had ultrascans for his kidneys and bladder and they kept repeating the scans but he was in hospital at the time but am pretty certain he had no GA cos they were dangerous for him. I suspect but again not sure, that its just moving a sensor over the area a bit like with pregnant women.

The article that Rosella put up on FeLv sounds very good and as Mo is a pedigree and you have papers for her, FeLv is unlikely to have come from her breeding and unless she has come in contact with an infected cat, she is likely to be negative.

Please correct me anyone if this is wrong in any way.

However to be certain a test needs to be done and rather than doing it twice, Glasgow should be the first port of call. The article says that false positives can come at the surgery but not false negatives.

What happens if she is definately positive, although I dont think she will be, is very hard because she would have to be a solo cat and not be allowed to mix with others because of the way FeLv passses from cat to cat. The worst case scenario is of course PTS :'( :'(

My thought would be to test first and if the worst happened then to think of what next. Normally and the way the vet seems to be pushing is to think first and if she had been a stray and a moggie, I would have agreed with him but I dont think this is the case, I would put off thinking about it unless necessary.

From the papers you have it usually shows the breeder and you may be able to get in contact and it should show Mo's pedigree name.

I will help to search if you would like and it should have a pedigree number on the papers too which will indicate the status of the breeder.

Did the vet put Mo on any more abs?

Sending loads of cuddles to her and hugs to you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 23:08:34 PM: hi again..typed a lengthy reply and battery died :censored:
the paper i have did list 5 pedigrees so i too thought as i had just discussed with oh that a good pedigree breeder wouldnt be breeding cats with stuff like that and the kidney problem common to persians would hopefully have been checked to make sure it wasnt in the linage?
2 weeks is a good amount of time to see if she does inprove further, if i could get her up to 3kgs i think she would at least be showing a big improvement.
i have noticed something amazing..her hair is growing back :wow: shes got little tiny ridges of hair about 2 mm long so sure its new hair growth as no one could have cropped in tiny lines of fur :Crazy: :wow:
as to the longtime aspect , its all to do with the results, if it is felv i have to consider that it may pass to my other two and it doesnt seem fair, however letting mo down doesnt either. I am going to have to do a lot of reserch, i need to find the best solution for the feline family first before my own desires to keep mo....unless me and mo just move up to top floor :shy:
edit no she didnt need more abs as he said they will work for another week..her tongue has cleared up he said but her mouth is still infected...i cant describe how smelly her breath is poor girl :sick:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 15, 2011, 23:20:15 PM: I remember Fred's fur growing at an incredible rate within weeks of arriving here after being rescued by an RSPCA inspector. After a while Fred was beginning to have difficulty licking fur on his chest as it was getting so long and I was giving him hair cuts to help him out. I mentioned it to vet as I thought perhaps I shouldn't have cut it with such gay abandon and that was what was encouraging the growth. Remember Gill? :evillaugh:

I had visions of my beautiful boy having different lengths of fur all over him and looking a right mess :-[ :evillaugh: Vet said the fur growth was solely down to a decent diet and tlc :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2011, 23:22:02 PM: On the pedigree papers it usually lists the pedigree going back about 5 generations and on the better ones shows which of the cats are champions or grand champions.

The pedigree number will be registered at the GCCF? the lot that run the natioinal cat show in birmingham.

On their site you can find what the letters infront of the number mean and whether the breeder has there own prefix of whether its an admin one.

If its a breeder one. that will indicate its a really serious breeder and they may have their own site and on it you may even find Mo as a kitten.

Did you get a pink slip from the lady, cos that enables you to transfer Mo to you as the owner and will say what her colour is registered as.

The fur starting to grow is great and reckon if she keeps eating she will be up to 3kgs by next vet visit ;D ;D
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 15, 2011, 23:39:34 PM: ok
i have a yellow sheet which gives the parents registered nos as CS 679733 DAD BREED NO 13B7
MOM REG NO CS493943 BREED NO 13B6
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 16, 2011, 00:31:58 AM: Does it give their pedigree names?
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 16, 2011, 00:37:20 AM: sire portia sherman
dam hazlan razzamatazz

grandparents
sires dad ch jazzycats sunnyside up (imp)
sires mom ch kieldah cheri amor

dams dad champion brensham magic crystal moon
dams mom tersan gogo girl
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 16, 2011, 02:02:51 AM: :thanks: that was very helpful and have just emailed a breeder who I think was the owner of Jazzycats but definately used him in breeding.

The other interesting thing is that the name Portia is also used in the lines.

On that paper does it show Mo's pedigree name and her number?

If this breeder can help we may find out who the owner was if we can trace her breeder.

Jazzycats was a cream colour point.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 16, 2011, 06:58:41 AM: Well, that's brilliant news about Mo's weight gain. ;D

More worrying regarding the testing, but if you keep her isolated in the interim, take things one step at a time, and wait and see. We all have our fingers crossed that the vet's caution and concerns will prove to be groundless (but understandable given the circumstances).
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 17, 2011, 17:05:36 PM: not much to update about Mo, shes eating and drinking and loves ham (luckily a shop sells nice off cuts near me for a £1), her mouth still stinks ,it doesnt help that she aways seems to get a clump of furr stuck on her teeth :innocent:
unfortunately Georgia our black and white girl has hurt her paw so is due at vets tommorrow, nightmare as would have taken her today but had a hospital apointment and couldnt cancel as cancelled the last one (they put down for a hip transplant in jan...oddly the whole thought of it made me feel really sick :Crazy: :-[) anyway back to Georgia and her poorly paw...havent a clue what shes done and she growls if i touch it so hard to check myself, it doesnt seem broken but she really cant put pressure on it so shes off her food and nursing herself.....Miyagi has now affected a limp as well :Crazy: ive checked his pads and one toe seems a bit less flexible than the others but apart from that seems fine, i trimmed his nails as he hasnt been outside for a few weeks now..apart from that i am sure miyagi is mimicking Georgia as he is now gone off his food, and slept on my bed last night and all today, he seems happy enough when i stroke him but still acting odd :-:
on top of that a lady i sold a lovebird baby to two years ago is pregnant so contacted me about rehoming her, so we now have one of our babys home and also her mate who is a feather plucker called gismo..like little Mo (original name gismo).
through on top of that son with the tourettes /possible mass behind eys mri referral :(, the kids got cough/sick flu thing me still coughing ...is all going a bit mad over here at the minute :shy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 17, 2011, 23:01:31 PM: Poor you, too much going on :hug: :hug:

Is Mo still on abs for her mouth?

Pleased she is eating well.

I havent heard from the breeder I emailed..........sigh
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 17, 2011, 23:24:01 PM: the vet said the abs last for two weeks so still working on her (it was an injection), yes Mos birth name was Topham....no registration number on sheet though....i wonder if they are an illegal litter perhaps? im thinking if its like the Kennel club rules then cats the mom can only be bred from so many times? if that is the case then they may have sold kittens showing the pedigree linage but they would not be registered? thats all i can think may have happened?
i did another breeder,that had one of the cats on the paper..the wbsite was a bit vague and so was facebook group, they seem to have a german link so maybe the breeder is german?, i will look more into it this week...it seems my only time spare is after 10pm when kids are asleep :innocent:
gave mo some people time today ,she seems confident in herself i will give her that, and if i call her she comes straight away...not like georgia and miyagi whom i have to trace down under beds and window sills till they disdainfully stroll by with noses in the air :rofl:
aww poor Georgia kitty is still limping, will be glad when i get her to vets tommorrow (shes now been stuffed full of ham instead of mo getting it all :innocent:)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 18, 2011, 01:54:49 AM: No I dont think she was an illegal litter but Jazzycat was an import and I think her lineage is too good, he was a champion cat. Also the name Portia appears in current cats of this breeder.

Never know it took a few days or more for Lupins breeder to get back to me.

Ahhhhhh she was given a convenia jab if it lasts for two weeks so hopefully she is still improving ;D

I hope that Georgia gets some help tomorrow and amazing how one cat can have effect on others where food is concerned :innocent:

I never seem Lupin rush to his dish so fast when he saw Ducha hovering :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: AliCat on November 18, 2011, 12:45:32 PM: I've only just caught up with this. It's just heart breaking. The poor little thing. Please send her lots of strokes from me.

:Luv:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 18, 2011, 12:54:03 PM: thxs ali, unsure how Mo is going to progress but have to keep up hope :shy:
Gill, the lady who i got Mo from said the previous owner was a famous cricket player, she told me his name but with the whole amount of storys she told me tbh i didnt pay much attention :innocent:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 18, 2011, 12:55:42 PM: Has she gone downhill then?
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 18, 2011, 13:36:14 PM: oh no Gill shes still ok eating and that, its just longterm i worry about, its all the "what ifs" i wont know for sure till she has all the tests , her fur is looking good though already , i just dont want to be living with blinkers on, the vet said something isnt right with mo..but dont know yet what it could be :-:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 18, 2011, 13:44:11 PM: Well, we've all got our fingers crossed that whatever it is that "isn't right" can be put right, and that she'll be restored to the beautiful cat it's clear she was once. :hug: :hug: You're wise to be cautious, but hopefully we can be a tad optimistic too. :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 18, 2011, 14:33:32 PM: thxs sue, shes wolfing down food and cat milk today :rofl: its good as shes not making the funny choky noises she was doing , the vet did say that although her mouth was still poorly that her tongue was now clear, i have been reading about renal diets etc , it does sound optimistic that she could do ok for years if treated right. im hopefull that because she is showing a good improvement that it is making her chances of survival stronger :shy:
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Post by: bunglycat on November 18, 2011, 16:23:00 PM: Glad to hear Mo is doing well ;D
If she has kidney probs can she go on Fortekor?
Did you try the Aviproplus?
I got mine from pet sense direct ,they are really nice people and it's only £8.50 delivered.
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 20, 2011, 11:31:45 AM: no i havent ordered the stuff yet, will do on weds when i get some more money :shy:
mo has turned a bit savage trying to nip when i clean her face now, she never actually does but makes a show of it :Crazy: she still has gunk but a lot less so think she may be feeling a bit more lively as before she never opened her mouth.
im sure she feels skinny again though but wonder if its because i have been giving miyagi and georgia more fuss? i will try to weigh her later on the wii if i can as threw my scales out last week..not sure why, i was having a mental through out anything not obviously working :Crazy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 20, 2011, 15:22:09 PM: It does sound like the real Mo is coming out LOL

I do hope she has not lost weight :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 20, 2011, 17:58:18 PM: i just bathed her so will weigh her soon, oddly shes perfectly behaved in bath :innocent:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 20, 2011, 22:42:55 PM: This young lady is in my thoughts very much and how good of her to be well behaved in the bath :)

I'm sure you'll find you are comparing weights with Mr M and Georgia and coming up with untrue weight loss for Mo.

At least I very much hope so :-:. I've worried myself unnecessarily that way in the past :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 20, 2011, 23:17:05 PM: thxs rosella :hug:, didnt weigh her in end as daughter watching bloomin jungle program so couldnt get it set up on wii, i think i need to buy a new set of scales- i must have reverse hoarding syndrome as i have "do's" when stressed and shot stuff out :Crazy:
Mo is a good girl bless her-shes desperate to get out of that bathroom though :innocent: i do sometimes sit her in my room with me to watch tv and a stroke as dont want her getting distressed on her own so she now has a nice black satin throw with diamontes on it that shes knicked :innocent:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 21, 2011, 01:20:19 AM: Probably best to wait for weighing at the vets cos all scales tend to be different.

She sounds such a good girl and so pleased you are able to spend time with her somewhere else cos as long as your other cats arent in same room she should be no danger to them.

Come on Mo, you are doing so well :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 23, 2011, 09:34:11 AM: Hope all is going well with Mo :hug:

I just weighed our Boris and, at only 7 months old, he is already 3.6kgs. It puts Mo's weight into perspective and shows she has some way to go yet but steady improvement is a very good sign :)
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 23, 2011, 13:50:31 PM: well her mouth is still stinking and although better than it was its still not better, she has been here two weeks tonight :shy:

Ive been looking at pet insurance but if you get an online quote they dont give you bits to put in her mouth infection etc, I was thinking it may be best to sort some out asap if there is some that would cover her if she gets seriously ill..
i dont want to just take out a policy that state vaguely that she has a pre existing condition and no box to say what they are :-:

i think she must have put on weight though as when i carry her on my shoulder she actually now has a bit of weight to her, before it was like lifting a mongolian scatter cushion :shy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 23, 2011, 16:27:53 PM: I think that all insurance is now playing games to give themselves a get out and AXA for example ask for a copy of the vet records on the first claim........gives me a problem with Lupins tummy maybe.

AXA or petplan are the best but AXA cheaper with a set excess. Pedigreees are more expensive to insure and I think your problem is going to be that Mo has seen a vet and was in very bad condition so anything could be wrong with her and thats more or less recorded by your vet.

It may be worth talking to AXA but think you are on a slippery slope with them due to her initial condition and they dont payout for anything in first 14 days after insurance starrts as well.

It maybe worth putting up a general post asking for info about how other insurances work but Know they are more expensive on the whole and with worse cover than AXA.

On the whole AXA is fair but her smelly mouth may also be down to other problems like kidneys.

However after only being with you for two week, she is doing really well.
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Post by: AliCat on November 23, 2011, 17:04:19 PM: Big hugs for little Mo. :hug: Glad to hear she's making some progress.
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Post by: thekittensmittens on November 25, 2011, 07:49:36 AM: thanks- :hug:
mo has put on a bit more weight but not much.. its going up though so its progress :shy:
I am going away today for a week to a mad cat hotel in fuerteventura so my daughter is looking after mo - shes doing a level 3 advanced diploma in animal care at college and gets to work with animals at college and at the nature centre on fridays where she does her placement so shes good with learning about nutrition etc and she is good with our cats as her cat Georgia is a pampered princess :innocent: so already a mad catgirl :evillaugh:
its not the best time to be going away but booked it earlier this year as i am taking my younger son phoenix aged 5 and daughter blossom aged 7 away due to the fact all the others went away to devon in the summer to their nans but Phe and bloss didnt get to go.
Im happy though that Mo is confident with Willow so hoping she doesnt notice too much of a change and willow is on strict instructions to give mo lots of cuddle time too :shy:
I will contact insurance when i come back.
Oh i phoned my vets and the vets named by woman had No record of Mo :censored:

jo xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 25, 2011, 07:51:26 AM: Hope you enjoy your break Jo. Sounds like Mo will be in a very capable pair of hands whilst you're away. :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 25, 2011, 20:04:56 PM: So pleased that things are going in the right direction and sound like Mo will be in great hands while you are away. ;D ;D

Enjoy your break ;D ;D
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 04, 2011, 22:56:46 PM: hi all :wow:

back from my jollys :wow:

I weighed Mo and shes 2.4 kgs so not really put on much at all but at least its a slow increase. I have also been observing her food habits and she needs you to sit with her and watch her eat...otherwise she leaves it so going to monitor it over the next few days, shes eaten a tray of sheba? and a carton of milk today along with water plus some chicken so she is eating..but if i sit with her and show her the food on my fingers first.
her mouth is still gunky so thats not changed at all :-:
her fur is growing well and her eyes look a lot better ..will arrange a vets visit this week so hope to see whats going on then with her, she did give me a lovely cuddle today and sat on my knee for about an hour :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 04, 2011, 22:58:38 PM: Do hope she is OK and I have that problem with Ducha eating but he is seriously older :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 04, 2011, 23:11:48 PM: She has doubled her weight since she arrived Jo which is fabulous in my book :) :) :)
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 04, 2011, 23:16:14 PM: yeah its not something you hope to deal with in a cat so young :(
its not looking good really as would expect some imporvement but the mouth stuff is just awfull, her breath stinks and i have to keep wiping it off as it just clogs up her chin then gets over her whiskers and paws. i had 3 big patches on my jeans after she has slept on me :sick: poor gild cant be happy :(
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 04, 2011, 23:21:12 PM: thxs rosella :shy: i know its good that her weights going up but i just worry its not enough, dreading the vets as if its bad news i dont think i can cope...i dont want to have to think about the dreaded pts...... I just dont know whats going on with her mouth, can she live on constant anti biotics etc? it obviously hurts as she hates me going near her mouth though bless her shes soo sweet that when shes had enough she looks me in my eyes and pushes my face gently with her paws as if to say thats enough now please....i cant bear when she does that, id rather her bite my finger :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 04, 2011, 23:25:53 PM: Just so sad and hope the vet can help her :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on December 05, 2011, 00:25:32 AM: Poor baby, hope the vet can sort her out :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 05, 2011, 07:13:12 AM: :hug: :hug: One step at a time. Keeping all crossed the vet can begin to sort out the mess that is her poor mouth. She's such a sweetie to you, bless her.
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Post by: Jiji on December 05, 2011, 07:49:46 AM: I agree with Sue P, you needed her to gain weight before her mouth could be sorted and you are achieving that, you are giving her the best chance for the best possible outcome and no one can do more than that :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Liz on December 05, 2011, 11:26:04 AM: To help with weight gain have you thought about kitten food as its higher in calories and I am feeding an extra sachet to my Hyper T boy and have used it on both old and young cats when they have mouth issues in fact blitzed up it is so much easier to eat with no lumps of food its sort of like Pate

The cat milk is great for adding calories and we use that as well there are also things like Liquivite which is a high calorie food and we used it with our old ferals with success

As long as she is putting on weight and eating little and often then she is going the right way ;D
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 13, 2011, 10:48:44 AM: Mo is booked in on thurs morning for tests ultrasound etc..they said she will be in for the day :(
really really dreading it now but i guess i will know for sure whats going on with little miss mo at last.
Mo on the other hand was meowing for the first time this morning in her room so shes finally making demands and started the leg rubbing with her head on my ankles, the first cat like behaviour shes actually shown :wow:
I did try all the cats with some raw chicken liver yesterday.....
mo bit it then ran around with a lump attached to side of mouth till she dropped it... :sick:
Georgia took one look and ran off petrified :Crazy:
Miyagi batted it about with his paws like it was alive and gave it a few licks :innocent:
result...dont think raw food is the answer for my cats :rofl:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 13, 2011, 11:08:10 AM: Sending all the best wishes possible for little Mo on Thursday :hug: :hug: :hug:

My lot hated wet food too LOL
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 13, 2011, 11:17:59 AM: Me also keeping everything crossed for little Mo, bless her.

Mac does that with any food he's suspicious of - prawns, pork, sossuj - he eats it eventually (usually) but not before he's beaten it halfway round the room for good measure...... :innocent:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 13, 2011, 12:31:28 PM: thanks :hug:
I give up on my cats today- they meowed for food, gave them dry and wet (in gravy how they like it :innocent:), cat milk and water and they turned up their noses.... :censored:
they are getting too used to having cooked chicken etc in the evenings i think so obviously have started expecting a bit more than what they are used to :innocent:
only Mo has actually eaten today!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 13, 2011, 12:43:54 PM: :evillaugh: Sod's law! But at least Mo has eaten - what a good girl! :)
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 13, 2011, 13:07:10 PM: Fingers crossed for Thursday Jo. When are results likely? Are they sending tests away or is it in house?
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 13, 2011, 13:49:19 PM: i asked girl on phone but she seemed clueless tbh, she said it depends on what tests he decides on, i imagine its inhouse although i will ask for glasgow test if they are willing?
shes having an ultrasound for kidneys , god knows what else :-:
i have to collect her in the afternoon -she said mo will be in for the day :(
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Post by: sheilarose on December 13, 2011, 18:09:33 PM: The Glasgow test is much more reliable than the Elisa test they can do in-house. Whatever the result in-house, definitely ask for this (it's not too expensive but is fairly conclusive).

This is the one test you really want to know the result of as it affects whether she can socialise with other cats, or needs to be separated in everyone's best interests. If it's FIV, not really a problem. If it's FeLV, it's a problem. If it's neither we'll all be round yours for a bottle of bubbly. Good luck for Thursday :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on December 14, 2011, 13:18:53 PM: Keeping my fingers crossed for little Mo!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2011, 17:21:00 PM: Any news?
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 14, 2011, 22:20:47 PM: tommorrow Gill :thanks:
mo has had a bath and been degunked for the night and cant have anything now till they have seen her. i tell you something though she looked a lot bigger in the bath :wow: I need to take a pic next time as cant believe the difference ;D
sheila i will ask before shes seen about the glasgow test...... as read about it due to all this :shy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2011, 22:50:34 PM: I hope the results are very good :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 15, 2011, 06:59:23 AM: Sending every positive vibe for Little Mo and her vet visit today. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheilarose on December 15, 2011, 08:41:59 AM: Same here, good luck both of you. :crossed: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Jiji on December 15, 2011, 08:54:22 AM: Hope it all goes well today :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 15, 2011, 10:32:51 AM: shes been dropped off- apparently her back teeth are in a bad way but she cant have them done yet till we know whats up with her. Im hoping its just her teeth , if it is then it would all be a lot simpler :wow:
near disaster on way- some idiot (read child :innocent:) has pulled one of back clips off carrier so it kept opening up :Crazy: :censored:
thankfully mo is so docile it wasnt in her plan to escape on bus or near the roads, nearly had a nervous breakdown though :-:
thanks for good vibes all :hug: :hug: :thanks:
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Post by: bunglycat on December 15, 2011, 12:37:19 PM: Hope all goes well for Mo and it is just her teeth
Loads of good vibes from me and my furries :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 15, 2011, 19:04:19 PM: hi all just got back
tests are clear (forgot to ask for glasgow test...dont ask how or why, think i was in some kind of nervous coma or something and my mind went blank as soon as i got in room with vet :-[)
anyhow they did an inhouse test for the fiv? and felv which were clear. ( i know that the glasgow is best)

anyhows......mo has polycystic? kidneys :(
her bloods for it though were good , so currently shes ok with it.
her teeth cant be done however untill she is in a better state so an antibiotic injection for mouth has been ..a bit of a vicious circle with her mouth really but at least i now know.
life expectancy- weeks, months years...
im taking her back again in the new year to see how her mouth is so its all up to how she fairs really.
i just hope she improves rather than declines but at least she has food and fuss now so im glad i kept little mo :shy:
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Post by: sheilarose on December 15, 2011, 20:18:09 PM: Since the felv test came back clear, I'd leave it at that. ;D :1st place:

Congratulations. I've opened a bottle of Cava because although I was fervently hoping for this news, I feared her mouth ulceration was symptomatic of late stage FIV, which should definitely have flagged up in the Elisa test. False negatives are possible but not so common as false positives. And she's not FelV contagious - phew!

Now she's gaining weight and can mix safely with your other cats, she'll start to feel like a pet again (her recent vocal assertions and rubbing up are clear signs she thinks of you as Mum slave) and her mouth will improve slowly with her general health. By New Year she'll hopefully be well enough to cope with a dental.

Keep up the good work. How are you coping? This has been quite a journey for you, too. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 15, 2011, 20:34:24 PM: This is all excellent .... yes? :-: Well I certainly think a dancing banyan :yayyy: WTH eh; it's Christmas :yayyy:

News could have been so very much worse and lets just hope for more progress from ABs over Christmas Jo so dental can proceed in 2012 :)
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Post by: sheilarose on December 15, 2011, 20:57:48 PM: Yes, excellent news. She has a future, that's not up for debate :) :)

I've done a little research:

The Polycystic Kidney Disease (PKD) is a lifelong illness she was born with (it's genetic not contagious). It's progress is always unique to an individual animal and the number of cysts/speed of growth is variable and unpredictable. PKD cannot be cured. If the cysts are small/few and slow growing she may live a long life yet.

The page here suggests treatment along the lines of CRF. So, good hydration, appropriate prescription food and a close eye on her blood pressure.

http://www.cat-world.com.au/polycystic-kidney-disease-in-cats
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 15, 2011, 22:59:30 PM: hey all :hug:
sorry had a bit of a lie down on bed to recover, 12 buses total today to get to somewhere 5/10 mins in a car :innocent:
yes it is good news-well compared to what else it good have been so a few dancing bananas are in order rosella :rofl:
i think the best point for me is i dont have to worry about Mo being isolated now on her own- she can actually be amongst the whole family now :wow:
to celebrate a floor to ceiling cat tree has been put up in my bedroom...although all 3 seem slightly disturbed by it :shy:
Mo had a tin of the A/D , i suspect the vets had sneaked her some dinner as she had a very fishy smell about her when i collected her :sick:
Im ok thanks with it all- i am upset that Mo could take a bad turn at some point but knowing what it is helps me and i can focus on giving her the best i can really, hopefully Mo is happier now than she was before...she is a very loving girl and has just been laid on my bed rolling over so i can rub her belly :Luv2:
Miyagi has tried saying hello to mo but she hisses(well gargles) at him, Georgia is more intent on stalking her and watching her around corners :innocent:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 15, 2011, 23:29:27 PM: I think this is a really good result and well done you :hug: :hug: :hug:

I know nothing about PKD and have to guess that in most cats it wouldnt be discovered until later in life, so in a way she is lucky cos its been found early.

I hope that your two will get to like her and as she is docile this will help :innocent: :innocent:

You have done so well for little Mo you should be really proud :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 16, 2011, 07:05:16 AM: Well, on the whole what a positive outcome. No wonder Mo is feeling like chatting and having belly rubs. :) Thank goodness she was lucky enough to come to you, because you couldn't be faulted in your care of her. :hug: :hug:

Am sure Miyagi and Georgia will settle with her just fine. What a lovely little Christmas you're all going to have. ;D
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Post by: Dawn F on December 16, 2011, 08:18:36 AM: that is great news, pkd is something that persians do seem to have a problem with, I bet Gillian Ambercat knows all about it

I bet once her teeth are sorted you will see a huge change in her, I'm so happy for her that she has you to care for her
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Post by: AliCat on December 16, 2011, 13:08:40 PM: Wonderful news. I'm so pleased for her.

:yayyy: :narna dance: :yayyy: :narna dance: :yayyy: :narna dance: :yayyy: :narna dance: :yayyy: :narna dance:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 16, 2011, 14:16:33 PM: Glad to hear Mo's blood tests were negative for FIV and FelV :wow: I've had two cats with PKD, both Suzie and Jasper came to me as adult cats, Suz was about 10, and was diagnosed about 3 yrs later, so her cysts hadnt grown rapidly as she lived till she was about 14 until I lost her to kidney failure. Jasper was about 11 or 12 when he came to me and was diagnosed not long after he arrived as I noticied straight away he was drinking loads - again he was around 14 when he succumbed to kidney failure due to the PKD. The usual treatments for kidney failure arent of much use in PKD as although it ultimately causes kidney failure - the usual treatments don't have any effect on the size or speed of growth of the cysts unfortunately.

But both cats lived good, longish lives despite their PKD, and I'm sure if Mo's bloods show that everything is ok at the moment, she will too :hug:
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Post by: sheilarose on December 16, 2011, 15:51:00 PM: Time for some pics, then I think, Mittens? :evillaugh:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 16, 2011, 16:44:50 PM: just typed in a lenghty reply and miyagi pawed keyboard and deleted it before it was posted :Crazy:
so in short :innocent:
i will post pics later..
and i am going to take life with mo as it comes, as the vet saidit could happen in weeks or years so no point spending each day in fear :shy:
oh thought she would just collapse and die on floor..i said hopefully that if she showed bad signs and was in pain then pts would be a kinder option but told him not to worry, its something that cant be helped so all we can do is love mo like the others.

miyagi by the way has now became the ohs new best friend :Crazy: :rofl:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 16, 2011, 17:59:27 PM: Quote from: thekittensmittens on December 16, 2011, 16:44:50 PM
and i am going to take life with mo as it comes, as the vet saidit could happen in weeks or years so no point spending each day in fear :shy:
oh thought she would just collapse and die on floor..i said hopefully that if she showed bad signs and was in pain then pts would be a kinder option

Its not one of those diseases that take them suddenly - and if her bloods are showing normal kidney function at the moment, then its certainly very unlikely to be happening in weeks. They are usually born with the cysts which then grow throughout their life, but as with Suz and Jasp, they were slow growing and only impacted their health later in life. As the cysts grow they can eventually impair kidney function , but as far as I'm aware there is no pain from the cysts themselves. :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 17, 2011, 01:08:47 AM: thxs for that info Gillian, the articles online and vet didnt describe if it was painfull or not :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 24, 2011, 17:03:25 PM: Mo, Miyagi and Georgia say Merry Xmas :wow: :hug:
i havent been able to upload pics as the part on laptop where memory card goes in now doesnt work :innocent:
but Mo is settled in and adopted a shoe cupboard rack as her nest, it has a cushion on top and as its in the tiny part between kitchen and front room she can watch us and her food at same time :innocent:
Miyagi tried to make friends with Mo but she was having none of it so hes given up now and taken to chasing her if she hisses at him, she doesnt seem too bothered and strolls about like they are the newcomers, not her :Crazy: Georgia just ignores Mo like she doesnt exsist unless i give Mo food then Georgia refuses hers and wants Mos :innocent:
basically it is the same as the children so am not that phased by it...Mo still in same state with mouth but seems to be happy in the house so thats a bonus.
they have been trying to break in a bag of catnip assorted toys and treats too, i found Miyagi trying to eat open the bag so now i know who cleaned out the last bag of them :innocent:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 24, 2011, 17:11:07 PM: And a very merry Christmas to you, Mo, Miyagi and Georgia :wow:

Sounds like a typical family, and a typical dinner time, doesn't it? :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 24, 2011, 17:16:52 PM: you too sue :hug:
and an update about oh..i caught him eying up dreamies in sainburys :Crazy:, hes already planning their xmas lunch too :rofl:
our head count in the house is 7 people
3 cats
9 lovebirds
one cockatiel
and one rosella
all have presents , my daughter was so chuffed that i bought the birdies presents too that i dont think she has considered her xmas gifts, she was too busy wrapping them up and arranging the cat stocking :rofl:
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Post by: sheilarose on December 24, 2011, 17:28:28 PM: Merry Christmas to you, Mittens, and your enormous household. So pleased Mo found you.

:xmas 7:

Our headcount is slightly simpler. Just me and the OH and seven furbs.

One huge turkey should just about stretch to feed all 9. The Purrs shop (and auction winnings) has supplied all our pet presents which are in hiding waiting for Sandy Paws. Tel your OH that Dreamies are cheaper in the Purrs shop than Sainsburys!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 24, 2011, 22:59:57 PM: Happy Christmas to all of yours from Me and my Gang of Four, and Mo sounds like she is oiwning the place ;D ;D
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Post by: Rosella moggy on December 26, 2011, 10:54:06 AM: Hope you all had a good one Jo :)

Am amazed that Mo is holding up as well as she is.

You and your daughter have done a very good thing and I hope with all my heart that 2012 will see Mo fully recover and put on more weight :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on December 26, 2011, 12:16:18 PM: boxing day turkey awaits :wow:
thanks all. :hug: xmas was eventfull as got 3 kids in various states of chicken pox, my son is hit worst and has more pox than skin :sick:
one eye is now gunky on him too so got to go get drops, it doesnt help that he screams if you go near him :innocent:
Miyagi and georgia are stoned on catnip drops, ie miyagi came to bed and seemed to fall in love with my arm :Crazy: then georgia came up giving me kisses :evillaugh: mo refused them, she prefers ham shaped treats from the fridge :innocent:
daughter had given mo a lovely bath though so she looked delightfull for xmas day :Luv2:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on January 09, 2012, 22:02:24 PM: How's our lovely girl Jo?

I saw a lady with dark hair wheeling around a young lad in pushchair in Asda this morning. Thought of you Jo as young feller was covered in spots :) :hug: Hope he's OK now and his eye is back to normal, poor lamb :(
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Post by: thekittensmittens on January 09, 2012, 23:06:06 PM: Mo,s not too bad ..thanks for asking :hug: tbh shes not got any bigger but seems to be constantly grazing at food. she Guards it now and the other two purrballs have to try to get round her as if she sees any going in their bowls she trys to eat it too :Crazy:
she had a bath today as was in her usual smelly state, its that mouth as doesnt seem to get any better at all so she has all this pus like gunk which she then licks her paws with and tail..they all get gunky and smelly as well. I dont really like bathing her all the time but she gets a bit irate if i try wiping it off all the time so she has to have a weekly dunk to make sure its all out of her furr :innocent:

all the kids are all back to school thankfully, i kept mine locked up whilst they had the plague/pox :evillaugh: i didnt want to be the spreader of shingles to the old folk :shy:
on the plus side Mo seems to have make better friends with Georgia since Miyagi stayed out all night and now fights for a place on the windowsill along with the other two and has started going walkabouts around the house with miyagi and Georgia ;D shes not a playfull cat though, really uniterested in playing any kind of game etc but she seems content and is now not shy in meowing when she wants some food :innocent: she also must have been fed cows milk at some point as she gets excited at cartons and tried to jump in my cereal bowl :Crazy: I had to go and stock up again on catmilk today as she was giving me evils as i wouldnt let her have my cereal :evillaugh:
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Post by: Ella@10 on January 16, 2012, 22:45:05 PM: I havent been here for a while and have read the thread through - I've now adopted 2 rescue persians, and I'm amazed at Mo's story and how well she's done.
My newer cat was 2kg at her worst, shes around 3kg and is a small cat anyway, but 1.2kg is unbeleivable

Well done you!

Quote from: thekittensmittens on January 09, 2012, 23:06:06 PM
she had a bath today as was in her usual smelly state, its that mouth as doesnt seem to get any better at all so she has all this pus like gunk which she then licks her paws with and tail..they all get gunky and smelly as well. I dont really like bathing her all the time but she gets a bit irate if i try wiping it off all the time so she has to have a weekly dunk to make sure its all out of her furr :innocent:

Is she ok with brushing/grooming? I just wonder if as an interim you could use a grooming / talc type powder to brush through ( a bit like a shake and vac where you shake it on and brush through). It can also help the brush go through the fur, but also will help dislodge gunky stuff too. Also P@H do a foam/mousse that is a leave in shampoo - so no washing with water, just brush out when dry - and they smell nice too!!! It may help cut down on the full shower/wash (that said, my last one liked a shower as long as I didnt splash his face)

I'm looking forward to seeing more pics
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Post by: thekittensmittens on January 17, 2012, 00:54:13 AM: thxs ella, i do have some leave in foam stuff and talc, wipes etc....problem with mo is her mouth as due to the teeth pain/ulcers etc she absolutely hates it been messed with and likes to give me warning bites...unless in the bath :innocent: i clean her face daily as best as she allows then she has a weekly dunk to get out bits under her chin.
shes now actually not my friend cos im bath/torture woman :-[ and has taken to stalking my teen daughter instead :innocent: she still isnt friends with Miyagi but has made alliance with Georgia since Miyagi ran away last week, since then her and Georgia have been mates :Crazy:

i will get a pic soon as i get a new laptop as card slot is broken on this one :-:
Mo still has two squares cut out where she had the ulltra sound bless her so her furs a bit odd at the moment :evillaugh:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 05, 2012, 14:48:13 PM: hi

some big prayers needed for Mo today.....
Mos weight has been bouncing up and down from 2kg since jan with 2kg being the lowest weight, in herself though she was allways eating and her furr etc was in good condition ..she seemed happy too.
since i came back from my hip replacement though Mo seemed to be getting gunked up again quite easily and she felt skinnier so on her last bath at the weekend she weighed below 2kg :(
she also started bleeding from her mouth yesterday so hae been waiting till my vet opens tonight to get her in.
now shes started limping and not sure if thats related or not, she doesnt do anything athletic or climb etc and the other cats leave her be in general so not sure whats going on.
daughter has just washed mo again (i cant bend due to hip op...not being lazy :-:) and it was impossible for daughter to get near her mouth as Mo is in pain...her eyes look so sad too and sick.
Im thinking its time for her to go now..... :(
when mo arrived despite everything her spirit showed through and she was lively and inquisitive, she seems to have lost that today.
how does a person know its time to let their kitty go to the bridge... I know this sounds soo negative but it seems to be such a battle for mo, antibiotics just dont help enough to clear the abcesses in her mouth so she cant gain enough weight to have her teeth out which cause the absesses.

I love mo to peices but seeing her today is enough to break anyones heart in two....she 4 this month and suffered so much :(
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Post by: Dawn F on March 05, 2012, 14:49:56 PM: poor little mo and poor you :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 05, 2012, 14:53:54 PM: Jo, am so sad to hear this. :hug: Wait and see what the vet thinks. If nothing else, at least you've given her love, care and attention since you got her :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on March 05, 2012, 15:57:23 PM: Poor Mo .
Try asking about a long lasting pain killer injection and a long lasting steroid injection, that will make her eat more and hopefully put some weight on.
Maybe a scan would see what's going on .
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 05, 2012, 16:36:19 PM: shes already had the fortnight anitbiotics, they worked at first to a degree ie ulcers cleared but mouth still not clear (all her teeth are rotten and need pulling).....
Her lips are now all puffed up, she looks really bad
oh is taking her and daughter ..the vets are really good , i know richard is away who knows mo most but there was a lady vet there last time so im sure she will know mo as richard told her mos story.
rosella knows the vets well , they arent the type to pts for no reason etc , richard has been brill with mo.

oh.. i feel physically sick with it today, poor mo mo... not too long till vets opens :scared:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on March 05, 2012, 16:41:26 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Nothing positive to add I'm afraid other than to be guided by the vet as others have said. She's so young so maybe they will think its worth trying steroids/ABs again. I have everything crossed for her and for you. :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2012, 16:44:10 PM: This is heartbreaking and feel so sorry for the little girl.

Sending all my best wishes :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bee on March 05, 2012, 16:54:12 PM: Love from all of us little Mo :(
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Post by: bunglycat on March 05, 2012, 16:55:50 PM: Loads of healing vibes and special cuddles for Mo.
:hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Skiddaw on March 05, 2012, 17:15:50 PM: I do so hope that something can be done for her :(. Will keep everything crossed.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 05, 2012, 18:02:10 PM: Topping up the thoughts for Little Mo :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 05, 2012, 20:47:03 PM: thxs all :hug:

sadly mo was pts at 7.30 today.

I wrote a big letter to the vet (in case she didnt know mo) and she phoned me up to discuss mo, as mo was so young she said she could try again with the anti biotics but mo would never be well enough to have her teeth out so it would always be a problem.
she also said mos leg had collapsed due to weakness ....
I couldnt keep mo in pain any longer im afraid , my daughter willow is devastasted and thinks the house is cursed or we could have done something different etc.
the vet was lovely on the phone and agreed it was a kinder option :(

I loved Mo for her quiet determination, her gentleness when she had not received much before..the vet was kind and said It sounds like Mo had been the happiest in our house with us...im not sure thats true when she hurt so much but she never seemed unhappy ..today though her eyes were pained and without the sparkle, i do hope she is happy & healthy now though. if there is afterlife then she deserves to be the kitten she never had chance to be...
rest now my little mo mo , will miss those pretty blue eyes xxx
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Post by: sheilarose on March 05, 2012, 21:05:31 PM: Oh Jo, I am so sorry. Little Mo was in the best possible hands with you and you did her proud. :hug: :hug:

RIP little girl, safe at the Bridge by now, no more gunk, bright eyes and fluffy fur. Good night and God bless. xx
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Post by: alisonandarchie on March 05, 2012, 21:27:10 PM: I am so sorry Jo :hug: Mo could not have been loved more or cared for :hug:

Thinking about you :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2012, 21:46:48 PM: I am so sorry and am sure Mo really loved being at home with you. She had everything she could want and was loved to bits :hug: :hug:

RIP Mo you have left a purr in many hearts
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Post by: Liz on March 05, 2012, 21:53:28 PM: So sorry for your loss, when they are young its the hardest thing we will ever do

She had love and was wanted and will be missed forever now thanks to the loving home you gave her :hug: :hug:
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Post by: souffle on March 05, 2012, 22:00:22 PM: I am so very sorry.
You gave her the greatest gift of all today. When you looked in her eyes today you saw what she was asking and heeded her plea. She was loved and treasured in these past few months and known what love is. You should be very proud.
Play well at the bridge beautiful girl - renewed in health x
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Post by: Rosella moggy on March 05, 2012, 22:03:06 PM: Have PM'd you Jo and send every best wish to you and Willow :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mo could never have found a more caring home and there was simply nothing that could have given her the prolonged quality of life that your family wanted her to enjoy.

You gave her the kindest gift you could.

RIP sweetheart :(
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 05, 2012, 22:36:30 PM: thankyou all..in tears now as was numb before...i tried to keep strong for willow earlier, Michael my oh said she was so upset. willow can be stroppy and is useless at passing on phone messages :innocent: but she is such a loving girl and she was with mo such a lot that she devasted....she thinks she could have done more, loved more etc....ive had to say (even though i feel the same :-[) that we did as much s we could and mo was happy as best as she could be, it simply wasnt right for us to keep her hanging onto life like she has been not when she was in pain :scared:
to question god i think at times like this is usless, i am livid at who ever bred mo with pkd linage, how many other mos are out there suffering all for the sake of one simple test :censored:

i do so hope she is happy now at last and doesnt have to guard her food bowls anymore :shy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2012, 22:38:17 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug: for Willow, you and all your family
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Post by: alisonandarchie on March 05, 2012, 22:39:11 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on March 05, 2012, 23:14:11 PM: Oh this is so sad :( I'm so sorry :hug: RIP little Mo.
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Post by: Sootyca on March 05, 2012, 23:28:13 PM: I can't add more to what has already been said. RIP Mo.

:hug:
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Post by: mad_lilli on March 05, 2012, 23:54:41 PM: Bless you and your daughter hunni. Mo had a good few months with you after a rubbish start to her little furry life. You and your family really went above and beyond for her. Lots of these for you all :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: RIP Mo - no need to guard bowls at the bridge. Xxx
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on March 05, 2012, 23:57:03 PM: Its been said many times already but I'll say it again. You gave her love and care when she most needed it and let her go when you saw that she was suffering without hope of recovery. Nobody could have done more and I'm sure she knew she had hit the jackpot when she found you. Rest easy Little Mo.

Thinking of you and your family Jo at this painful time. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: den22 on March 06, 2012, 00:01:40 AM: So sorry :'(

A shining star now in the heavens of the sky
just look up I'm still close by,
Beaming down on those that I love
I'm still here just in the heavens above.

Don't feel sad remember the happy times we shared
I will never forget how much you cared .

Please don't worry and try not to cry
I am with others here, we share the skies,

I am a diamond now, a twinkling light
I'm the first star you will see at night
just look up you will know it's me
For I will be the star that burns brightly. (http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy253/blue-nightingale/sparkling_star.gif)

My thoughts are with you :hug: :hug:

R.I.P little Mo safe and sound at the Bridge play hard little girl Xxx

Denise
Xxx
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Post by: bunglycat on March 06, 2012, 00:06:23 AM: I am so so sorry , but as already said -its good there are people like you who care and actually do something to make a difference.
I am hoping little Mo has found all mine on the bridge and they are all healthy and playing together.
:candle:
RIP Mo , you were loved at the end .
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 06, 2012, 00:13:27 AM: thankyou all :hug:

I hope shes playing with all the purrs cats over the bridge too :shy:

Id love to see her in my dreams tonight to know shes safe :scared:
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Post by: Dawn F on March 06, 2012, 08:22:31 AM: I am so so sorry to read this, at least she had you to help take the pain away, if her old owner still had her who knows what might have happened :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on March 06, 2012, 10:59:51 AM: Oh Jo, I missed this. :( I'm so sorry for your loss. :care: Little Mo knew so much love from you, I'm sure she felt some back. And I know she'll have appreciated it.
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Post by: mad_lilli on March 06, 2012, 11:05:54 AM: I hope Little Mo was able to visit you in your dreams last night Jo. :hug:
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Post by: Bee on March 06, 2012, 11:24:46 AM: RIP little Mo, thinking of you all x :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 06, 2012, 12:04:30 PM: didnt have no dreams though oddly this morning i felt something brush against my arm but none of the cats were there..id like to think it was mo :shy:

we are going to bury Mo later in a blue bell wood near my home...it is behind a farm which is only accessable via a very overgrown footpath so no one seems to go there, it however is at the end of a beautifull old bridle path and is surrounded by wild flower fields so it is a lovely place.
I want to imagine mo running free at last so im hoping in summer i will be able to go back and sit and imagine mo free from pain at last .
its a trek with my hip but will be the last thing i do for mo mo so i want it to be a nice place for her, somewhere wih rabbits and butterflys to chase :shy:

thanks all for your kind words, i will be remembering all the other cats that have gone to the bridge also this afternoon :hug:
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Post by: sheilarose on March 06, 2012, 12:30:00 PM: Do please take care, Jo. Bluebell wood sounds just lovely, I'm sure little Mo would be happy in such a beautiful spot. Time for remembrance and reflection this afternoon, I'm joining you in thinking of our Bridge babies today. :care:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on March 06, 2012, 14:08:27 PM: I'm sure you shouldn't be attempting this with your poorly hip Jo but I also understand that its something you feel you have to do, so take care. :hug:

It sounds an idyllic spot for Mo's final resting place.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2012, 14:31:18 PM: It sounds a wonderful place to rest forever and please be careful :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: tiff on March 06, 2012, 14:37:17 PM: R.I.p. Little mo. Sleep well. Please be. Carefull jo.
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on March 06, 2012, 14:43:15 PM: It sounds like a really beautiful place where you are taking Mo but please be careful Jo :hug: :hug:

RIP Mo :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 06, 2012, 14:58:54 PM: Im back without injury :shy:

i took my son with me as willow was too upset.

we got stopped up near the farm by a gay couple asking what we were burying and where abouts.....and they suggested that i was better off burying her at home as the foxes may dig :( I said i couldnt bury her at home as next doors kids are bound to dig her up as they dont repsect my garden so i thought foxes was at least more natural....
in the end we buried her next to an old oak as there was a man with a dog in the wood and my son wouldnt go in :innocent: ( swear it was the youngest of the gay couple as they drove around the other farm entrance so probs thought i had body parts or something :innocent:). the oak is next to the blue bell wood though but stands proud in a a big wild flower field , the tree is next to a little stream too...it seemed a nice tree with a blue tit and a robin coming to visit and the sun was shining so beautifull that it seemed a good place to lie and rest.

we said our good byes an william was asking questions about PKD etc and said it was such a shame :(

oh said its terrible too and never seen she was in such pain till yesterday....after seeing the state mo was in and not able to walk from weakness etc i couldnt put her through it any more.
thankfully today the sun shines as beautiful as mo, i reckon theres some happy cats at the bridge today & Im sure that Mos one of them at last.
R.I.P my princess :Luv2:
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Post by: tiff on March 06, 2012, 15:04:10 PM: My heart goes out 2. U all jo xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2012, 15:11:03 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on March 06, 2012, 21:59:31 PM: What a wonderful resting place :hug:
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Post by: heather sullivan on March 06, 2012, 22:35:51 PM: What a lovely resting place for a beautiful cat. Did you put anything on top of her resting place to stop the foxes digging? When my guinea pig died a few years ago the foxes dug him up and left him on the middle of the lawn >:(. I reburied him twice more and they still dug him up! I ended up putting a paving slab across the top of his grave which stopped them ;D
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Post by: sheilarose on March 06, 2012, 22:46:48 PM: Think paving stones might be a bit much for Jo to manage at the moment as she's only just got her new hip.
:hug:
Like she says earlier in the thread, if it happens it's nature's way, and Mo is in a pretty little wood, not Jo's garden, so I think it'll be OK. :care:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 07, 2012, 06:53:41 AM: Am very pleased you were able to make this journey for Mo. :hug: :hug:

May she rest undisturbed. :hug:
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 07, 2012, 09:27:20 AM: we covered the spot back up with some moss and branches so it looked undisturbed..i know a determined fox would probably notice but if it happens , it happens :scared:....her soul is well gone i believe and if recarnation is a reality then a pray that her next life is a long pain free one but for now i hope in my heart that Mo is running free at last :shy:
I feel glad i did the trek for her and my bones feel ok this morning!! no where else nearby looked right, too many people etc, and when we got nearby the famhouse a load of ducks went by all chattering like jemina puddleduck or something loool, it made william and i smile so i felt that was a good omen :shy:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on March 07, 2012, 16:07:11 PM: So pleased you were able to place Mo is such a beautiful spot :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on March 09, 2012, 20:42:55 PM: So sorry :hug:

RIP Mo xx
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Post by: thekittensmittens on March 09, 2012, 20:53:58 PM: thxs Janey :hug:

I had a small card come through the door today, when i opened it up it was a hand written condolence card from lordwood vets saying how sorry they were about Mo :'(

it was a lovely gesture but made it seem so real too, think i have been trying to block it out a bit...i do miss her, stinky breath and all :shy:
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Post by: sheilarose on March 09, 2012, 21:44:00 PM: Jo, you've been so strong for so long. Time to let it out now, perhaps. :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 09, 2012, 23:29:46 PM: That was a lovely gesture from the vets :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on March 10, 2012, 08:25:02 AM: They're a kind bunch of people at Lordswood Jo :hug:

Whilst terribly upsetting, condolence cards do help us with the general coming to terms of a loss :hug: :hug:
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Post by: funkiechicken on March 12, 2012, 21:50:34 PM: oh no - i've just seen this :'( :'( So sorry to hear about Mo, but like you have said she is pain free and running with them all at Rainbow Bridge :hug: :hug:
So Sorry :'( :'(

Goodnight Godbless Mo x x x
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Post by: lau200 on March 19, 2012, 21:10:58 PM: oh jo, i have only just seen this. i can't believe that sweet little creature i met has gone :'( she was a contented cat definately, she knew how hard you and the family were trying for her. i hope you, your oh and especially the kids are holding up ok. sleep tight little Mo x