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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Mark on September 04, 2008, 14:10:00 PM
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This is Milly who we homed 9 months ago. She was in a first floor flat. I wondered how she could have got out but she fell out of a first floor window into some bushes. The "Community Warden" has threatened them with an ASBO and a fine. I have contacted CP legal department who are going to pass onto their solicitor to see if they can do anything.
This will affect any missing cats in the area so really important that something is done. Why can't these people use their judgement? - it's not a circus poster!!!!!!
They are a really nice family - I did the homecheck on a Sunday as they were so keen to get Milly :(
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Ahhh how sad .. these poor people having to deal with a :censored: :censored: :censored: jobsworth!!!
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It is classed as flyposting - "Canterbury Council were not available for comment" :tired:
They are a bunch of :censored: :censored:
I hope legal can do something. They are also contacting the media department so hopefully the whole country will know what a shower of :censored: the council are! >:(
(Excuse marks - I dripped tomato soup onto the paper :-[ )
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hopefully the bad press will make them back down, its not exactly an escort advert is it???
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I said exactly the same thing to the CP solicitor - I said it wasn't a poster for hookers :tired: - she said that these people need to exercise common sense.
Yet again Canterbury council take the heavy-handed approach - I have had loads of trouble with them :tired:
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Rediculous, sometimes, all to often nowdays in fact, I'm sure the world has gone mad or maybe, just maybe, I've gotten madder ;D
Cheers
Leigh
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The annoying thing is, we have to put up with antisocial scum in the streets and they do nothing about that >:(
I'm sure they find it easier to bully vulnerable people.
Well I will post as I hear but it sounds like there will be some red faces and back-pedalling at Canterbury CC before long. I still maintain they are staffed by people that couldn't cope in the real world of business.
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Good for you Mark taking this on... CCC surely have more pressing issues to deal with then waste our money on t his.. They are a very loving and caring family they must feel horrid.. HOpe CP HQ can help them.. Mark have you rung the family to tell them about this as it would be a good idea to keep them informed..
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one good thing, somebody might see the cat from the article
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Good for you Mark taking this on... CCC surely have more pressing issues to deal with then waste our money on t his.. They are a very loving and caring family they must feel horrid.. HOpe CP HQ can help them.. Mark have you rung the family to tell them about this as it would be a good idea to keep them informed..
I tried to phone but nobody was in - I thought it would be best to speak in person rather than leave a message. I forwarded an email from legal to you and the others saying that CP media department are dealing with it as well and will handle any press enquiries we might get that we feel we can't deal with.
Edit - I spoke to the lady. She said someone from a Newspaper in Dartford has asked for extra pictures and permission to publish. He said the article could appear in papers worldwide.
She has given me permission to do anything that could help get Milly home.
She said she just wants her Milly back :'(
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one good thing, somebody might see the cat from the article
That's true - she said she hopes someone sees the picture. She said the worst part is not knowing. She said she phoned the council to ask what happens to any RTA cats found. They told her they always scan and take to a vet - This is down to Sharon sorting this out last year.
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Someone is going to get a right :censored: ticking off - and just for once it isn't me! :cheer: :cheer: :tongue 3: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Fingers cross all this stink gets Milly back - for pete's sake I hope Roxanne (who fostered Milly) doesn't find out or she'll go spare! :shify: :doh: Poor Milly. :(
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How ludicrous and petty. I hope the Council are made to back track and I hope Milly is found soon
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[quote author=Pinkbear (Julie) link=topic=17920.msg304758#msg304758 date=1220543542
for pete's sake I hope Roxanne (who fostered Milly) doesn't find out or she'll go spare! :shify: :doh: Poor Milly. :(
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Apparently she was the first to know as they had her number :scared:
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OMG Mark I'm absolutely fuming :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
When Smudge went missing 1 year ago today I litterally put up thousands of posters in the months I was looking for him. In April when someone found his collar and phoned me I then put posters up in that area and because someone saw my poster she knew it was Smudge that she saw on the edge of the road dead the day after. Without those posters I would not have been able to bring my darling home to bury him in the garden.
I was trying not to cry today and this is the second post that's had me drowning in tears.
Mary
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What a stupid :censored: council , hope someone pins their ears to a wall and throws darts at them >:(
Posters are the key to find cats often and in London a cat tried to move in, he had been visiting for long time.
I put up posters and his owner saw it so I found out where he lived and he still came to visit me right up to the day I moved :( They had been away and their neighbours was feeding him and he didnt like them or the food so he tried to move in with another neighbour and when that didnt work , he tried with me.
Get that council!
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I am going out today but before I go, I am going to phone Meridian TV as I think they would be interested as if it wasn't so serious, it would be funny :tired:
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Mark - the story made the Metro - read it on the train today. Metro is published pretty much nationally and, as it is traditionally left on the train once the reader is finished, ready for the next reader, it will be read by thousands! It may be on their www as well, haven't looked and no time at the moment.
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This may have been what she was talking about yesterday. Realistically, local news is the best for actually helping find the cat and the national stuff helps put Canterbury CC in their place - we can't have this silly ruling making a precendent.
I tried to find a link for reporting stories to Meridian but can't find it. Hopefully there will be enough exposure as it is. This will show the petty bureaucrats up for what they are >:(
I wonder if CP media department had something to do with this? - if so, it shows what a simple phone call can do :)
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Mark - the story made the Metro - read it on the train today. Metro is published pretty much nationally and, as it is traditionally left on the train once the reader is finished, ready for the next reader, it will be read by thousands! It may be on their www as well, haven't looked and no time at the moment.
I miss reading Metro on the bus/train to work when I lived in London :evillaugh:
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I think my boss picks his Metro up from Whitstable station. If you scamper down there early enough, you might just get one! ;D
(pervewi psot is my fiend!)
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Mark, not5 sure if this link is any good for you for getting hold of Meridian.
http://www.yournews.itvlocal.com/
Good on you for tackling this, as you say, they are just going after easy targets to get money out of and not dealing with the real scum who need ASBOs.
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This was in The Daily Telegraph today on page three.
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ooh that's good, I bet tv will pick it up
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I miss the metro too and also evening standard :(
Lets hope the council are feeling really stupid now its hit national press.
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Oh for heaven's sake - do none of the county council idiots possess compassion - or own cats?!
Any news on the missing cat?
When 'Noosh went missing last year, we put posters up in all of the surrounding area on trees, lamp-posts, in shop windows, outside the local schools, and we also went round leafletting about 1000 houses (we had a co-ordinated team!) with her photo, details and contact info. We also have a community newsletter and they printed her picture in it and the local paper were interested because a couple of other long-haired cats had gone missing from our street at the same time. (all safely recovered!) Anyway, I contacted our local beat bobby and asked him about putting up the posters. He said that as long as we did not detail any reward (apparently this encourages less-desirable people to steal pets and wait for a reward to be offered) and that we removed all of the posters when the cat was found or after a reasonable time, it was okay. . . . .
I do hope that the publicity this gets causes the council to backtrack (and hang their heads in shame) but more importantly, leads to the safe return of the cat.
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Do you think it would help if we all emailed our disgust to the Council?
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According to the Telegraph, 'over-zealousness' has been conceded.
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Oh for godness sake >:(
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This has just made the 4pm news on Radio 2!
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As someone who deals with ASB and prepares ASBO applications for court, I agree this is a heavy handed approach by a warden that obviously does not know how ASB's are obtained.
There is a new law come in under the cleaner neighbourhood acts for fly posting, but ASBO's are to stop repetitive offending. ASBO's cannot be applied to "One offs" as in this case, no judge or magsitrate would look at this seriously.
A warning letter would have to be sent out first to the family and this would have to be recorded in the case file as to the type of "Repeat behaviour" that provoked this warning. Staments would then have to be prepared and witnesses inteviewed. ASBO's are about Harrassment, Alarm and Distress so anyone outside of the family needs to prove H.A.D.
This process takes weeks if not months unless the public are in danger which I find highly unlikely! :)
Going back to some of the other comments a lot of people think that kids hanging aorund are causing ASB, but kids in groups is not ASB it is their activities. Someone mentioned that the CC will not deal with the kids, well do the CC know? Are there diaries being kept to prove the HAD? How do you know that they are doing nothing, have you asked the ASB officer for your area?
ASBO's are not that easily obtained contary to popular belief and it takes evidence that proves on the balance of probabilites that they have caused H.A.D. There has to be a strong burden of proof and I really think that family have nothing to worry about, but I agree someone needs a shake up! :naughty:
This will die a death, hopefully there is a ASB manager out there feeling rather :-[
Law lecture over! ;)
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Oh and I do not work for CCC before i have the rotten eggs thrown at me!
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This has just made the 4pm news on Radio 2!
I heard!!!
Honestly, I've never heard anything so stupid.... how else do people get back a much loved family pet... so stupid.
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THIS STORY IS FEATURED ON BBC1 AT 6.30 PM TONIGHT..!! Well done Mark for making this news! and well done HQ CP for doing such a good job there are alot of red faces in CCC
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This is the same council that refused to allow us to hold a collection for CP after a performance of the tour of "Cats" outside their Marlowe Theatre, despite us having full permission and support from the cast and crew.
Don't be thinking this is a bad interpretation of guidelines - their rules are firmly set against helping charities that aren't politically expediant enough. They are heartless, self serving creeps! >:(
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Muppets >:( Glad they've backed down now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7600602.stm - Video of TV appearance and the article
Canterbury Council's official statement...
http://www.canterbury.gov.uk/news.php?mode=detail&id=2218
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Been out all day and only got back at 1.30am - I am really pleased that CP media department got the story round. I see part of the statement from the council denies threatening them with an ASBO >:(
"The council would also like to make it clear that, despite media stories to the contrary, at no point was Daniel or any member of his family threatened with receiving an anti-social behaviour order (ASBO)."
I wasn't going to log on tonight but I wondered if Milly had been found as I had a message on my phone from Roxanne who fostered Milly before she was homed. She said Mrs Cope had asked for my home number as the family wanted to thank us for all our help in finding Milly and they wanted to make a donation. I will find out tomorrow.
Anyway, glad the council backed down - all we need to hear now is that Milly is back safe & sound :Luv2:
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Fab job Mark.. deserve a pat on the back... And what about if lovely Milly is back.. that would be a great story and one we could feature in the next NL i suppose.. Daniel the son was esp good on the TV last night, a very confident teenager who isnt afraid to speak in front of the camera. All in all a lovely family... i hope that Milly did make it home after all that..
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I don't want to phone people to early but will phone Heather & Roxanne after 10am (reasonable time?) to see if there is any news.
I just found Milly's original thread - I had forgotten that she was a cupboard cat :( http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,11265.0.html
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I spoke to the family and basically they were offered a small fee by a national magazine for doing a story. Personally, I think the amount they offered was an insult. It would have meant them having people round taking pictures etc. Also they had to sign something giving the mag exclusive rights to their story - also that they were responsible for any legal issues. After careful consideration, they have declined. They were going to donate some of the money to CP. They are wisely telling the magazine that they are welsome to do a story but they are not going to sign anything and if they want to make a donation direct to CP they can. They said more national publicity isn't going to get Milly back which was the whole idea - I think they have done the right thing.
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I think Milly is a 'gone to ground' type of puss rather than likely to take off for the hills. I'll have a fiver on her being found within 3 roads of her house. :sneaky: Unfortunately, those kinds of cats are the last to come our when you call for them. My Tilly must have heard me yelling for her for weeks but was too scared to come out.
Can we lend them a trap? :shify:
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The problem is, they live in a 1st floor flat so no garden. I don't know where it would be practical to put one. They both work and their son is at school.
They are quite close to the old disused crab & winkle line.
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Difficult. :tired:
I have a theory that they don't double-back on themselves in a hurry. If they know how she got out, I'd search outwards from that point at around 180 degrees. Perhaps there's a communal waste area? She'll be hiding behind some boxes or a wheelie bin or in a shed I would think. :shy:
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I will have a mooch around on Monday. I know they are searching all weekend and every evening. They said they had 50 people helping last night (something to do with camera crews around? :shify: )
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This is the same council that refused to allow us to hold a collection for CP after a performance of the tour of "Cats" outside their Marlowe Theatre, despite us having full permission and support from the cast and crew.
Don't be thinking this is a bad interpretation of guidelines - their rules are firmly set against helping charities that aren't politically expediant enough. They are heartless, self serving creeps! >:(
I got bought a copy of our other local paper yesterday - the front page featured the same council threatening a cancer charity with an £80 fine for putting up 2 x A4 fundraiser posters on the railings at a local car cark.
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Someone really should grab hold of these officious little gits and drag them down to Tower Hamlets or Brent and then they could see what urban decay really means. There just isn't a plague of fly posters in Whitstable or anything like it, ffs! >:(
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I dropped OH off at the station early today so went on a Milly hunt - without any luck. One of the problems with Whitstable is there are lots of 6ft & 10ft ways - little pathways between the streets. Most are overgrown with spiders webs all over the place. I was looking for a suitable place for a trap but Roxanne has offered them one several times and they declined as they are worried about trapping the wrong cat.Its funny but I had a weird feeling when I passed the house next door to the low-rise flats where the people live. The house has a large enclosed garden. They have a poster in their window.
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The Whit Times rang me on Monday about Milly so there should be something in the papers today with our names on it?
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Haven't seen it yet. I will get a copy later. Their office is in Cromwell Road, very close to Milly's family. There was a "to let" sign in the window. Hopefully they aren't closing down as they are far more supportive than the Gazette who only really bother with the RSPCA.
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Had a call from Milly's owners. She was handed in to one of our vets 5 miles away although she was found 300 yards from where she went missing. She is now at the family vet but in a bad way. They think she may have been kicked or hit by a car :( - He pupils are dilated and the vet has advised neuro or kidneys. She is having test but they have been warned she may need to be PTS :( - I said it was good that she was insured but he said they canclled the insurance last month but will pay whatever it takes if there is any way of making her better. They said she was really aggresive last night which is understandable :( Poor Milly :'(
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poor Milly and her family
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Sat at my desk crying - it's just like my Smudge missing last September and then getting so close in April only for him to be run over by a blasted car. I can understand how they are feeling unfortunately. They are all in my prayers. :'( :Luv2: :hug:
Mary
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Poor Milly, hope she pulls through :hug:
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Bless her I so hope she will be ok
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Poor little Milly.i do so hope she pulls through and returns to her loving family,sending lots of good vibes and :hug: :hug: :hug:.i will be praying for her
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Sharon tried to get some info from the vet but they won't tell her anything. The owner said he will phone me if there is any news, good or bad :(
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Best wishes for Milly
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Ahh poor Milly ... keeping everything crossed for her and of course her family.
Mark please let her family know we are all thinking of them xxxx
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Fingers crossed for her.
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Just got an email from Sharon.
The vets emailed her and said there has been a slight improvement and she may be able to go home tonight but it will be a long process.
Fingers crossed for this little girl - she has really been in the wars. When she was rescued she had been living in a cupboard after someone died and the relatives to over her "care" :'(
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Ah poor little mite, fingers crossed she can go home tonight and get some tender loving carel ike she deserves :Luv:
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Poor little girl, everything crossed that she can go home and get some loving care which she so deserves
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The vet must think she's doing ok if they are letting her go home. Hopefully she will improve more and more with the love from the people who have been missing her for so long and she will be purring for England with a bit of luck. :Luv2: :hug:
Mary
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Good news she is allowed to go home ... I'm sure once she is back with her slaves getting lots of TLC she will feel a bit happier.
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I haven't heard from the family but will give them a couple of days to settle her in. I might nip over and get a photo if they are OK about it
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Any news on Milly, Mark as this would make a good story for the local papers, esp the point about the benefits of chipping.. as without it i dont reckon she would of been found and returned home...
Smartie the extra toed cat should be in the papers this week so it would be nice to have something about Milly as well?
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They haven't phoned me yet. I will give them a day or so to settle her in and give them a call.
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this story was in your cat magazine but I think they may have used the wrong photo - it said that Milly was doing well
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The last I heard was when the owner phoned me. Apparently, she wasn't in such a bad way as the vet thought. Which photo did they use? - she is a dark tortie?
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its said in the article she was a torti but the photo was of a blonde lady with a siamese!!
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I will have to have a look - definitely not Millie :Crazy: - Sharon has 2 Siamese.
Even in the local paper, CP didn't get a mention. It was a shame Sharon & I said it would have been a good opportunity to mention the benefits of chipping as the person the found her was only a couple of streets away but took her to the vet I use about 5 miles away. Apparently he twigged it might be Millie because of all the publicity and the scan confirmed it. Our vets are brilliant as they drove Millie to the vet the owners use, about 100 yards from their house.
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Just a quick update. I bumped into Milly's owner today. She said Milly is still doing well as an indoor cat and is now 17 :) - hard to believe that was 7 years ago!
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Oh, I do like a happy ending! I wasn't here when this started so I was lucky enough to get the happy ending without having to wait 7 years for it! ;D
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Wonderful ;D ;D
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That gives me such a warm feeling - thanks, Mark. Hope all is well with you x
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Fine thanks Sue - hope you are too :)
I had a quick scan through the thread.Hard to believe that when Milly was found, the vet thought that she may have to be PTS as her pupils were dilated and he thought she either had kidney failure or neurological damage.
Canterbury Council continue to excel. Recently, there was another article in the paper where a couple were fined £80 each for antisocial littering. They had been shopping in the town centre and bought a bag of cherries. With there being no bin nearby, they had dropped a few cherry stones on the ground. :tired:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11906134/Elderly-couple-fined-160-for-dropping-cherry-stones.html
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I hate littering with a passion but bloody ell! Is it a life sentence for chewing gum? :shocked:
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There seems to be a pattern of picking on the vulnerable. Missing cat poster people threatened, people putting up poster for cancer charity threatened, elderly couple fined. They were nowhere to be seen at 2am when feral teenagers were screaming and shouting in in the street while they were setting off bangers. I wonder if those same 'enforcement officers' are as good at their job when a gang of yobs are throwing their McDonalds wrappers on the ground?
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I suspect not Mark - it seems too hard to catch the real criminals and yobs. Much easier as you say to target the vulnerable. :-: