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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: pappilon on November 20, 2007, 15:17:19 PM
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I dont mention BOY much, he is my Black cat ,which has been with me for past 8 years, he is about 12 and for some reason i dont see him as a cat ;D dont know why ? Boy is just BOY like some one who lives with me :Crazy: I dont know how to explain , he is lovely . Purrs for England, wakes me up few times a night for different reasons and loves other people and cats :Luv: When i met him in mayhew he wasnt like this they told me he needs a home with no men,no kids, no cats,no...... took few years for him to know he is safe here and loved and no harm will come to him,apparently the guy who had him used to kick him >:(, ??
Any how as you can see his picture he is a big cat and he hasbeen loosing weight and every one has been saying its good, but he also started drinking a lot and then g :'(etting sick every morning, i took him to the vets and he put him on antibiotics and did the full blood test.he said it could be bacteria ! The blood test are fine his liver, kidney , every thing is fine but he still get sick and drinks lots.
The reason i am so worried is becos my DD had the same symptoms last year , and it turned out to be pancreatic cancer :(
I called the vet back and tomorrow he is going for x-ray.
Please keep your finger crossed is not the big C. :thanks: :'(
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Pav, I'm keeping everything crossed for you and Boy :hug: :hug: It may be something or nothing so try not to worry until you know for sure :hug: You've got my number if you need to chat, xxxx
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Oh sweetie, I didn't know that. I knew he had been losing weight but since he's a big boy didn't think much of it.
Fingers crossed all ok honey. Give the purrpot a big hug from me.
He really is wonderful this Boy. If he could purr you to death he would :hug:
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Fingers crossed that it is nothing serious, will be thinking about you and Boy tomorrow xxx
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Best of luck for tomorrow :hug: x
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I do hope that Boy is fine and the xrays are clear, thinking of you both tomoorrow :hug: :hug:
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:hug: and good vibes for you and BOY - the fluffies and I are sending good thoughts, and keeping everything crossed for him.
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Good luck at the vets today. Did you vet check for pancreatitis?
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Got everything crossed for Boy today, hope his weight loss is nothing untoward :hug:
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Fingers crossed for him, I hope it is nothing too serious.
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Good luck at the vets today. Did you vet check for pancreatitis?
No , he is checking it today!
Thankyou every one for your kind thoughts.
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Hope all is ok with Boy.
Thinking of you both.
Claire xx
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:luck: Any news yet?
I was supposed to take Spike for an x-ray this morning but he escaped and so I had to cancel the appointment.
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Hi , i just got BOY back , the vet said,well showed me the x-rays and said his intestine is thicken, (The walls and inside) and because his gut is inflamed thats why he gets sick after eating .
He gave him steroid and antibiotic injection and said he thinks this should sort him, but if he still get sick then he would like to operate on him and look inside his abdomin to see if the x-ray has missed something ?. Have to take him back next wednesday.
While he was under anaesthetic he extracted 3 teeth aswell.
HE also said Boy needs to eat bland food so i got a box of royal canine ck/rice for him to see if i can change his diet .
Big :thanks: from BOY and me to every one for their concern, means a lot to us. :Luv: :hug:
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So pleased it dosnt sound too serious ;D
My brothers Maine Coon had a problem similiar and wwas on a special dry diet for ages and he just didnt put on weight or frow and was still very yound. Then my brither found they did a wet version and apparently he has now put on weight and is growing, he is still under 4yrs old but I thought how wonderful afyter all his problems.
I hope Boy will eat his new food but if not I am sure their are others that can be tried :hug:
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Fingers crossed he likes teh bland food, and hope the meds work on him.
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Glad the news was not too bad. Hope everything goes well with his new diet
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Phew! what a relief its nothing too serious. So pleased for you. :hug:
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Great relief Pav. :hug: Hugs to the big Boy xx
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I'm really pleased the news isn't bad :hug: Dylan had thickened wall linings but I can't remember what they gave him :Crazy: I'm wondering whether it was Cystaid but not 100% sure, I'll try and find out and let you know but it was a few years ago now, xxx
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Boy is so sick this morning? He cant keep any food in.
This morning he has been sick 3 times,he eats and few minutes later get sick. I called the vet and she is out for lunch :-:
I am begining to think my vet is not as good as i thought , i know now they are going to say lets operate and see if we find somethig inside, they did it with my 2 other cats . First x-ray and then saying may be the x-ray is not clear lets operate.
It means they have to put him under anaesthetic again and he looks so weak, i know something is wrong.
Please god let him be ok, i have lost two of my babes in less than a year.Sorry i am just so upset, dont know what to do?
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Awww Pav hun :hug: :hug: I'm keeping everything crossed it's nothing serious, poor Boy, it's horrible when you don't know what's wrong with them and the news sounded so hopeful earlier :'( I'll give you a bell when I get back this evening, I'm going to Dawn's and dropping my son off in Manchester so hopefully shouldn't be too late back, or if I get chance ths afternoon when I get back from seeing Sean, I'll bell you then :hug: , xxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Pav,
I am sorry to hear that Boy is not well this morning....could you perhaps get a second opinion? I know that Ruth's vet seems great and does home visits - is she near you at all?
I know it is so hard when you start to doubt your vet, but you must go with your instinct and if you are unsure, maybe it is time to get someone else's view.
Sending you both gentle hugs and my thoughts.
Claire xx
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Pav, I'm texting you the number of our vet in Belsize Park. You know my sis love them and that's where Lexy is having her surgery. They are great there. Do you need help tonight? I can come over if you need to :hug: :hug:
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Thanks Claire, i am going to find her number now, i spoke to her last year when DD was poorly and she was going to get back to me and for some reason i cant remember but i took DD back to my vet again, the only thing is all boy's results are with my vet but may be she can get them to fax it to her.
Thankyou so much for suggesting this , i cant think straight at the moment. Second opinion sounds really good. :hug:
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So sorry to hear that Boy is feeling poorly again - love and positive vibes on the way for him and a big hug for you. xxx Thinking of you xxx
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Sending lots of love and best wishes for Boy - I hope he makes a swift recovery
A big :hug: for you too
xxxxx
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I spoke to Caroline, she is really busy today, she said to drive to me will take her more than one hour, she can visit himtomorrow or after hours tonight. Mean while she is getting my vet to send her all his results.
She said may be they missed something in the x-rays. What worries me is since i brought him back on wednesday he is not drinking water!
She is going to call me around 5 today, to let me know.
At 2.30 i called my vet back and told the recieptionist that some one will call for boy results, and she said but why didnt you say its urgent when you called?? I cant believe this , i told her Boy has been very sick and i like to speak to the vet and she said she is out for lunch,and i asked her to get her to call me assoon as she is back, two hours later i am still waiting and she says why didnt you say its urgent >:(.
Ruth thankyou so much for the number. :hug:, and thankyou every one for your kind wishes.
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What a silly woman to say that to you! I'm glad Caroline responded. Even if you feel its urgent ask her if you should go to the clinic to get him seen. Based on symptoms Caroline is pretty good at being able to ask questions and identify if there is more urgency.
Keeping fingers crossed honey. xxx
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Sorry to hear he is not feeling well today and is being sick. Hope it settles down :hug:
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Hope you and Boy are ok.
Let us know when you hear back from Caroline. I think you are in safe hands there.
Still thinking of you both.
Claire xx
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I spoke to Caroline, she is coming between 7.30&8 tonight , she has his results and she said some times after anaesthetic they get sick but i told her i am concern that now he is not drinking at all? and she said she like to give him some fluid and also she said she would like to do one more test. She said if she thinks is necessary then she will refer hm to the surgery in Belsize park.
Now i just have to wait till she gets here.
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Good luck. You're in good hands sweety. Xx
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Fingers crossed for him.
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Hope everything went ok tonight.
Claire xx
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Caroline , had to take BOY back to the surgery to put him under drip and do emergency blood test, the reason is while she was here looking at his notes which was send to her by my vet,i showed her the ANTIBIOTICS which was given to him after the blood test , thats the first visit on 6.Nov. and caroline said but this is not SYNULOX! I explain to her when i went to collect them the recieptionist went to talk to nurse got back changed the label and i paid ,went to work and when i checked them i called the nurse and told her the label says SYNulox but the tablets are different?! She said oh its just different type and i even said they are huge can i break them and she said ya,ya its fine >:(
Well BOY was given the WRONG medication, thats why caroline has to do a new blood test becoz the old test was done before him taking the tablets, apparently they are very strong antiflammetary ,she said its like nuorofin for dogs.....
I will know more after 12 tonight she is going to call me with the blood test to see if his kidneys hasbeen damaged, that was her main concern also ulcer. Thats all i know for now, but thankyou for wishing him well.
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Hope everything went ok tonight.
Claire xx
Claire if it wasnt for you suggesting second opinion, i would have not find out that he was given the wrong tablets, i dont know how to thankyou and also Ruth , because Caroline doesnt visit our area and she did it because i mentioned you. Thankyou Claire and Ruth.
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I'll call you tomorrow. Boy is in great hands at the village honey. Try to get some sleep xx
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Does any one know what Norocarp is? Is it really to treat the dogs?
Boy was given Norocarp 50mg ,for 10 days .
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Stupid :censored: idiots, I would complain about this, how can they be so stupid :censored: Norocarp is classed as a Generic Rimadyl and yes, it is for dogs.
I really hope he's going to be okay, I would definitely take this further and I would be furious >:( >:(
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I have only just seen this and someone has been super incompetent and thank goodness you got a second opinion. I do hope that Boy is going to be OK and should there be any damage I think it will be time for further action but the main thing is for Boy to be OK first.
My thoughts are with you and boy tonight :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Stupid :censored: idiots, I would complain about this, how can they be so stupid :censored: Norocarp is classed as a Generic Rimadyl and yes, it is for dogs.
I really hope he's going to be okay, I would definitely take this further and I would be furious >:( >:(
Thankyou Dawn, i went on line looking to see what it is they have given him, it is for dogs. These are the people i trusted. I am so worry now becoz of what caroline said if this has damaged his kidneys or....She said dont say anything till she gets all the new blood results first and i still have 2 tablets left (Extra one) , caroline said just keep them for now.My priority is to get BOY better and then i have to deal with this mater. I am so glad i showed her the tablets becoz in her notes was listed BOY was given Synulox!!!
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Yes, I agree with Caroline, get Boy right and then kick some :censored: . Honestly, I would go straight to the top, this could have serious consequences for Boy and if they've made an idiotic mistake like mixing up the tablets. what other mistakes have they made with peoples pets and no one has noticed :mad2: I'm not a vet but hopefully, the fact you had the sense to get a second opinion and Caroline was quick on the uptake, you may have caught it in time. He will need the stuff flushing out of his system before he feels the benefit but fingers crossed no damage has been done apart from him having an upset tummy. Sending him healing head rubs and purrs :ahh:
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Have you had any news back Pav? I've just reread the thread and realised he's been on these :censored: tablets for a few days, I really hope he'll be alright :hug:
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Just caught up with this. Hope Boy is OK - I'm sure he is in good hands now. I think we have to question vets and not have blind faith. Hope he is on the mend now :hug:
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Caroline called me and said the good news is his kidneys are ok, but not sure about ulsers, also he has high white cells . She is sending some blood to lab tomorrow but he has to stay to be monitored and she said things could develope later!
The reason she said she wants him to stay becoz they have to do aggressive treatment??!! Its late tonight and poor caroline was still there so the only thing i asked was if he is out of danger? And she said she cant say that yet. :(
I am going to go there tomorrow and speak to the vet in charge of him and then see what can be done for him?
I am so upset becoz i called the nurse the day i collected these tablets and i even read the name to her and she said hey are fine just different,
how was i to know they were not antibiotics, MY poor BOy he has never been away in last 8 years, he must be really confused now being in a different place. :'(
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That's good news about his kidneys anyway :hug: Caroline sounds as if she's on the ball and I think if anyone can get him right, it sounds as if she can.
how was i to know they were not antibiotics, MY poor BOy he has never been away in last 8 years, he must be really confused now being in a different place. :'(
Listen hun, you gave him the tablets in good faith, you weren't to know........this is down to their incompetance, not your lack of care. As Mark has said, he's in the best place and he sounds as if he's in the best hands :hug:
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Yes, I agree with Caroline, get Boy right and then kick some :censored: . Honestly, I would go straight to the top, this could have serious consequences for Boy and if they've made an idiotic mistake like mixing up the tablets. what other mistakes have they made with peoples pets and no one has noticed :mad2: I'm not a vet but hopefully, the fact you had the sense to get a second opinion and Caroline was quick on the uptake, you may have caught it in time. He will need the stuff flushing out of his system before he feels the benefit but fingers crossed no damage has been done apart from him having an upset tummy. Sending him healing head rubs and purrs :ahh:Well they must have given his tablets to some one else just changing the lable as they did for him,....
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Just catching up. I'm relieved his kidneys are ok.
Told you Caroline was the best. Trust her honey, I'd never leave Lexy in anyone elses care. Boy is getting the best tratment he can get now. Once its all over I am sure that the RCVS will be interested to know about this.
Pavvy, Boy is the biggest cuddlebum alive. He'll be charming the nurses at the clinic. Even Lexy is relaxed with them. He'll be happy to be home but for now he's with people who really do care.
I'm going to tidy house now but I'll gladly drop that if you want some company at the vets ok? :hug: to you sweetheart. Xx
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Aww, the poor baby. When everything is sorted, I would be making some very strong complaints, that is incredibly incompetent of them. I am glad his kidneys are fine, and they are probably keeping him to flush his system out to reduce any other effects. I have everything crossed for both of you.
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Thanks . I spoke to caroline this morning, she said when she called the surgery the vet was visiting Boy but she was told he is bright this morning :) Which is good .
I sent a cab to old vet to collect his xray results and take it to the new one, i just didnt want to see the old vet today i am so upset i might say something i regret later >:(
Caroline suggested if i visit Boy tomorrow and i agreed so he can settle today, what do you think?
I have to make arrangement to see him i cant just walk in, they might be busy. The vet to day is the same one which sees Pippa, he is going to call me later to update me.
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When Jamie calls ask him about seeing Boy tomorrow or later today. I'm dropping Lexy off there tomorrow evening/late afternoon after lunch at my sister's. If it helps them we can go together? I'm just waiting for Caroline to confirm that they can take Lexy tomorrow night so will have a time from her today?
I'm pleased the cuddlebum is brigher today. :hug:
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I'm going to drop Lexy off at 12 Pav just before I go to yours and my sis's. So if you want we can meet there tomorrow so you have some company if you want. Up to you sweetie.
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Thanks thats great i will ask them if they can arrange for me to see him around that time? I will let you know.
Thankyou so much every one for your advise and help. :hug: :hug:
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Great stuff. Have everything crossed that Boy's recover is on the up now. :hug:
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Great news that Boys kidneys are OK and Caroline and her team sound wonderful. Visiting cats is the best thing for them and helps them to get better quicker. Concentate on Boy now and the rest can come later :hug: :hug: :hug:
When you get to the next stage after Boy is back home again and feeling better, everyone on this site will be supporting you and we all have great interest in what happens because for a vet to put a cat at risk like this is negligence, especially when you asked the right questions.
Al;so hopefully Caroline will not sit on the fence over this and will give you advice what to do next.
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Thankyou Gill, as you said priority is to get him better and hope there are no long term damage.
No animal deserve this, and as Dawn said how many more mistakes have been made and the poor owners dont know about it.
The thing is some one like me who doesnt know much about the medicine, trust their vetand the staff when they leave the cat or... therewith them, in this case i knew what synulox was thats why i questioned the nurse, but once i was told its fine then i truste them.
I feel really let down by them, and i will appreciate all the help and advise later on , once i know BOY is fine we can deal with this ,, but i know that the vet prescribed synulox, the mixed up must have happened after!
We will know later.
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If you are considering action, then you need to at least notify, in writing, the vet in question that the incident has occured and advise them you are 'taking advice' as to your options. There are time limits within which you need to take action and I would prefer to err on the side of caution ...
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The vet should ensure there is no mix up, he has that responsibility, he has no excuse.
I am like you and dont know one medicine from the next and have to rely on my vets advice and treatment and totally agree , how many others have been given the wrong treatment and their owners never known why their pet has not got better.
The one thing we have in common is this great place where we can ask questions and people will be honest and tell us. :hug:
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b/c i really dont know whats right to do?
I think atleast once they know about the mistake they have made , they will be more carefull .
I still dont know if it was the vet who put the wrong tablets with my name on label or what, i know the recieptionist went and checked something and started changing the label and i even told her its fine you dont have to print one and she said no we have to!
I am just so glad i took Claire advise and got second opinion, but then the same day another person must have collected BOY'S medicines, i just hope they realized it.
Now i also am paying for every thing twice , they charged me with blood test, xray and 3 teeth extractions about £600.00 And Caroline told me last night Boy's treatment will cost between £400.00 to £600.00 in surgery, of course i am going to pay i want him to get better, but i am paying for their mistake.
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which I think is a point you should make in your opening salvo - doesn't matter who made the mistake, it happened and is costing you £££ as well as the anguish your cat went through. They need to know so they can put measures in place to reduce the risk of a repeat, but they also need to know it has cost you money. While you probably don't feel like taking it further at present, at least if you inform them in writing now, you are keeping your options open. It should not have happened and it could have killed your baby if you had not sought a second opinion, but it is your decision ...
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b/c Thankyou so much i didnt know i have to put it in writing.
Caroline told me last night dont say anything till we get all BOY'S blood test results first, and she just said keep this tablets.
The sad thing is Boy not only was getting better but he was getting worse he didnt get 10 days of antibiotica which he was suppose to , instead he got 10 days of Norocarp!!!
I am so gratefull , it was realized before it was too late for him.
Thankyou.
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I think Boys health is most important at moment but once the strain of that is finished with then thoughts should turn to what next.
I am sure Ruth will advise you that you cannot rely on them not to make a mistake again and wonder, did they contact the other owner to tell them about the mistake, if that owner contacted them they did not contact you, or was it many owners all mixed up?
They must pay for such a serious mistake that may have cost one or more animals their future or immediate health. They should also reimburse you the costs as an attempt of reconciliation for their appalling error. They should be seriously concerned at the effect of a ruling against them by the Vetenary Controlling Body and the effect on their business.
You cannot rely on them not to do this again, I am afraid.
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Thanks Gill, i will ask for RUTH advise , she is going to be at her sis tomorrow , and i may see her in the vet when she is droping Lexy for her operation.
I appreciate every one's opinion and advise on this matter, its amazing what a big different it makes , like right now i cant think straight but atleast i know my options .
OK i am going to shop now to get some food for BOY to take to him tomorrow and some treat for MR TRAMP,its so cold out side he can do with some TLC and treats tonight. :Luv: :thanks:
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Oh pav, I'm once again only just catching up with this - the last time I looked Boy was fine and now all this has happened, I'm so sorry. Boy is your priority of course and I know thats all you want to think about at the moment - but heads should eventually roll for this. I sounds like he's in good hands now. You might want to take an item of your clothing that you've been wearing, jumper or fleece or something, when you got to see Boy, so that he's got something familier to snuggle up to. Thats what I did with Gwyn and each time I went in she was snuggled up on my fleece. :hug:
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Thanks Gillian last night was so late and i didnt think of that, but tomorrow i will take my jumper but the think is he like leather hand bags!
Every time i put my bag down he rush and get to it and start licking it and purrs :Luv:
I spoke to the vet who is there to day he said he had something to eat and they are going to stop the anti sickness injection now but he said it
takes up to 3 weeks to show if any damaged has been done to his kidneys or not? :( I told him Caroline said his kidneys are ok, and he said yes
for now but we have to wait and see , the side effects might show later. He also has lost more weight since wednesday .
Well at the moment we just have to concentrate on him, he has to stay few more days , they dont want to stop the drip and fluied yet, and the flat is empty without him,i know Phoebe doesnt miss him at all but i do :'(
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I agree with BC, this needs to be put in writing to the vets concerned and this will make them aware that this has to be taken seriously. Even if Boy recovers 100% from this, you still need to take action, this is not good enough as they are putting lives in danger. I put a complaint in once against one of my vets, ideally you need to do it when you are calm and thinking straight.........I threatened to rip my vets head off but that's not really the way to go about it :innocent: When putting it in writing, even if you are on first name terms with your vet, address it to Mr Jones or whoever, not by their first name, this is keeping it professional and shows you mean business. Give Boy a cuddle for me, I'm sending him positive vibes and get well wishes, xxxxxx
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Fingers crossed that he will be fine, and I would certainly report them - I would write them a letter, as well as write to the RCVS.
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Definitely contact the RCVS but be warned, vets do tend to stick together and a lot do get away with it. My vet did but he did get a wrist slapping as it was a first complaint against him. When this happens, if someone else reports that particualar vet, then they do tend to do something. I can't see with this case though how they can wriggle out of it, it is definitely a case of incompetance, no excuses whereas with mine, he gave them a load of :censored: but I never received a bill and the RCVS said, this in a way proved his guilt!!
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Yes Dawn but the only prove i have is the two tablets left, the copy of the bill shows they charged me for Synulox and how can i prove i spoke to the nurse the same day i collected the tablets and she said they are fine and even told me is good you checked!!!!
Its not going to show on BOY'S system after 2 weeks? Or is it?
EVen last night when i showed Caroline she kept asking are you sure and first she said may be the first lot you collect was Synulox? I explained that i collected once and it was 22 tablets for 10 days and 1 extra day in case he misses some.
In their computer the priscription is for Synulox thats why the vet hasnt realized yet the mistake they have made.
I just dont know how all these works, i know once they are told they will realize their mistake but to accept it, i dont know, right now i am so worried for BOY i cant think , but then may be i should tell them so they can get in touch with the person whos dog was suppose to have these tablets and see if he got the right tablets? Their dog might be in danger if they took the wrong one but if they got replacement then surgery must be short when they do stock check? I just want to do the right think.
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This is an area that i think should be changed similar to the human dispensing regulations, everyones capable of human error be you a pharmacist or a vet so should be under the same controls.
I hope Boy is home again soon :hug: :hug:
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At the end of the day, you have the tablets as proof. I would think Rimadyl would show up in a blood test if it was checked for but it would have to be tested for before he went on treatment, ie before the drip. This may still be possible if they've still got some of the bloods in the labs already, I would think they could run an extra test, not sure :shy: Ask Caroline if this is possible, just to give a bit more ammo. but I honestly can't see what they can say. The fact you asked about the difference in the tablets makes this :censored: thing a whole lot worse, as far as I'm aware, Synulux is one type of tablet, end of. Get Boy sorted first but also get as much evidence as you can as some may be needed from the bloods before they are disposed of if they haven't disposed of them already, then you go through the relevant channels and make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else. I always feel in cases like this to do with animals health etc, if you let it slide, the next animal might not be so lucky and even then they may not get their :censored: whooped because it may be a first complaint. Negligence is negligence but sadly it doesn't always work like that.
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What happened to the bottle or packet the tabs came in with the changed label?
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Gill it was no box, just a paper pack like the one they give you in boots when you collect prescription, that was on 7th Nov .
I put it in recycling box, i dont even keep receipts when i buy something!
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Oh well just a thought......I wish I was that efficient but its just not in my nature :rofl:
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I think this is terrible. Can I make a suggestion that you keep a written diary of events as this will count as evidence when and if you pursue the matter. Also as you are worried and stressed about your cat it will be difficult, later, to remember the exact dates, times etc. I know it sounds like extra work but it is worth it and will help you to keep a clear record. Good luck in whatever you decide but personally, I think you should pursue it. It was probably a genuine mistake but complaining should ensure they are more careful in the future. Hope your cat is not permanently damaged and home with you soon.
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As long as you have the tablets, the packaging isn't as important, there is a big difference between Synulox and Rimadyl - one is small and pink, one is large and white or brown, depending on which strength they are.
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Just catching up after a day off the site ...... I truly hope that BOY has no lasting effects from the vets dispensing the wrong treatment. It sounds like he is in very good hands now, and very positive news that there's no kidney damage and that he's brighter now too :hug:
As others have said, your main priority now is to get BOY better, then take up the matter formally with the vets, they should be repaying you every penny for the second lot of treatment you've had to pay for due to their error.
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Just read all this thread Wow what a mistake to make (its awful) going to double check all my prescriptions in future.
Hope Boy hasn't had any damaged done to him because of their BIG mistake.xx
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I cannot believe this, it is terrible - poor Boy and poor you. The worrying thing is that we put all our trust in the vets with our furbabies, they should not be allowed to get away with making a mistake like this, it makes me so cross !!!
Wishing Boy a speedy recovery and thinking of you xxx
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Just spoke to the vet , he has developed diarrhoea and there is blood in it, he is not well :'(
THE vet i spoke to was attacked by Boy this morning ,when i called to make arrangement to go and see him they asked me if i can go and hold him back so they can clean his cage. He was covered in a mess, the nurse said she thinks his had enough of poking and ... thats why he attacked the vet ! He looked really scared and when i told the vet tonight that he is just scared he said no he is a vicious cat, he said we get scared cats but they dont behave like him??? So he said its hard to treat him but since he has the drip they can put all the medication in, but tomorrow he is going to discuss it with caroline! He also said because of the wrong tablets and the last injection of steroid he's had an overdose and thats why , oh god i am so upset i post later
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Oh dear I am so very sorry, I think you need to speak to Caroline too cos you know your cat best and its not good for a vet to say he is vicious.
I am sure that Boy is just feeling very uncomfortable and sick and like you say he is seriously fed up of being poked around. Every cat acts like nature intended and it sounds like Boy feels he is being attacked and therefore defending himself, rather then so scared he freezes.
I am sure that Caroline will be able to diffuse this situation cos it sounds to me like the vet is scared.
I am really wishing all the good thoughts I can for Boy and this is such a terrible thing to happen :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Same as I said when we spoke earlier. :hug: he's getting treatment now and that's important. Just hold on tight sweetie, its horrible what you're going though, but Boy needs you to be strong for him. My phone is on all night honey, call me whenever you need to ok? xxx
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So sorry to hear Boy isn't too good :hug: He will be stressed and frightened and that's probably why he attacked the vet, even the softest animal in an alien situation can react badly. As Ruth has said, he's getting treatment now and it may take a little longer before he starts to feel the benefit. I'll give you a bell shortly, xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Poor Boy, its not surprising he reacted that way, given his history before he came to you, he was mistreated by a man wasnt he? perhaps he was associating the male vet this morning with his bad treatment before do you think? - as well as being prodded and poked, can't have helped. Hope your visit helped calm him down a bit. :hug:
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Maybe it will help if you tell the vet his history and it will help him to understand
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Yes Gillian thats what i tried to explain to him, but he wasnt interested!!!
THe woman nurse this morning said she calls him TRACTOR, because she has never heard loud purrs like his.
The first couple of years with me he used to sit by the front door and would not let any male in just by hissing and warning? That shows how bad he was treated in his past but he changed he is not vicious,just scared.
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Maybe it will help if you tell the vet his history and it will help him to understand
Yes Gill, i started telling him but he said yes you do get cats with all different back ground but ... then he said what i said in my post. I felt he is angry because he said Boy is cCaroline paitent and we are looking after him for weekend??? But Caroline told me once he is there they will deal with him thats why i had to pay her charge and she said from now you pay them or all other treatments. I am going to go there before work in the morning i am not comfortable with this but i dont have a choice he needs this treatment.
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I think you need to speak to Caroline and get this sorted out, I thought Boy would effectively be in her care but dont know how she works.
Who is the vet that Boy is with now, is he an emergency vet rather than one at her own practice? Or is he some kind of specialist?
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Caroline is her own boss. Her own business but she partners with this surgery when its necessary. She has no actual premises as she's a road vet. She goes to you.
This surgery deals with her patients as a courtesy to her.
This vet in particular sounds like many I've dealt with. He's caring just not extremely empathetic to people.
Right now Boy is getting treatment and that's what's important. Until Pav speaks to Caroline its best to just rest the night and see what is said tomorrow.
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The only thing i know he was on night duty on friday when Caroline took boy in and tonight on duty, i really dont know much how it works. I text Caroline , she will call me in the morning.
Boy needs this treatment at the moment , i offered if they need me i can go at any time to the surgery , he mentioned Boy needs at least two more weeks of medication but if it can be given oraly then he said he will send him home but at the moment he has to have the fluied.
I speak to Caroline in the morning, she is really nice and understanding, i am sure she will tell me whats best for BOY . :thanks:
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Oh Pappilon, what a terrible time BOY and Yourself seem to be having :( I haven't anything else to add to what's already been said
But I am Sending LOTS of Healing Vibes BOYS way :Luv: and Hope He is Better and Back home with you Soon
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Thankyou stuart and :thanks: every one, lets hope next week is a better one for every body, and all our babes get better.
Thats the most important thing. :hug: :nite:
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Poor boy and poor you. What a rotten time you are both having. I do hope he recovers and is home where be belongs and is loved soon. Many hugs to you both :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I am sorry you are having such a rotton time, and I hope Caroline sorts it all out, the male vet is saying odd things imo - of course cats are going to be fed up in that environment. Will be keeping you in my thoughts.
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Will wait for your update hun, hope all is ok.
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Just a quick update, cos i want to go to bed. didnt sleep a wink last night.
They are keeping boy in at least for two more days, but Caroline said that from now on only women vets&nurses will deal with him :Luv:
I got home and had a message from the old vet asking about how Boy is becos he was told today that on friday i asked his records to be faxed to another vet!
I dont know if i should call him back or not yet? :nite:
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Thanks for the update and thats really good of caroline, hopefully he will start to calm down now, poor Boy. Lets hope all the signs become good ones and hope you get a little sleep tonight :hug: :hug:
I think your other vet is very worried about the effect this may have on him because surely he knows the wrong treatment was given and not sure what to advise. He may be fishing or just concerned.
If you feel strong enough to be cool and calm and not answer any questions, maybe a ring back saying that Boy is very very sick and you will not know for quite a while what his prospects are. Dont answer any probing questions just keep repeating that he is very very ill and you dont know, just like polititions do.
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Gill i am sure they still havent realized, about the wrong medication.
OH i think he is concern but more for loosing aclient than Boy( May be its a mean thing to say :-:), but thats how i feel.
Thanks for the advise. :hug:
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Big hugs and cuddles for you and Boy, I really hope that he is feeling better soon and back home with you where he belongs. xxx
I would call the other vet and just stay calm and tell him that you will be taking matters further regarding the treatment that Boy received.
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If it was me I wouldn't call the other vet back. You might say something you might regret later and also give them chance to cook up a story to cover their backs. (Probably me just being paranoid there). Hope BOY is feeling better and improving today
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I quite agree and I hope Boy is a lot better too! :Luv:
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I spent an hour with Boy this evening. He doesnt eat much and when he does he vomits :(
I spoke to one of the vets and he said at the moment he is fine having the drip and medication but they might have to look in with a tube if he carry on getting sick but itsthe anaesthesia they are c oncern because they dont want to put more drugs in to him since he had the wrong tablets and steroid.
He said they are going to see how things are on thursday and if he is not better then they have to put a tube in and they can see whats happening in his stomach.
I asked the nurseto give him some dry food while i was there and he started eating it, i hope he doesnt get sick later.
I am going to see him tomorrow after work and spend some time with him, he was purring when i was there.Bless him.
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Awww, it must be so hard for you to leave him :hug: Hope the drip and medication will work soon so that he doesnt need further procedures. Fingers crossed that he keeps the food down that he ate while you were there. You and Boy are in my thoughts. :hug:
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If it was me I wouldn't call the other vet back. You might say something you might regret later and also give them chance to cook up a story to cover their backs. (Probably me just being paranoid there). Hope BOY is feeling better and improving today
When i got home there was a message from the vet, saying he had a call from the vet and saing i understand what happend with BOY and he understand he is getting on well at the moment! He then said me and you must have a chat in some point and many apology for confussion on his medicine?
The last few wasnt very clear, but he says i apologize IF it was my fault or i appologize IT was my fault, and no other way to say sorry?? But he mention again BOY is ok!
I will speak to Caroline tomorrow to see if she spoke to him or the vet in surgery and what exactly was said before calling him.
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I feel for you so much cos I know what it was like leaving Kocka in hospital. Visiting them helps so much and I hope he managed to keep the biscuits down.
It sounds like they are taking great care of Boy and only thinking about what is best for him :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Well I am so sorry to hear BOY is being sick. I hope he managed to keep the biscuits down. I also hope that you are looking after yourself at this terribly stressful time. Don't let your old vet hassle you to ease his own conscience. You concentrate on yourself and BOY right now and then deal with the vet (but perhaps someone would know if there is any time limit for complaining?). Big hugs to you and BOY
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Fingers crossed for him.
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The boys send BOY a super strength healing head kiss, hope he perks up soon :hug:
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Fingers crossed he is better today.
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How;'s the little fella doing today?
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Thanks for asking, i went to see him this evening, the nurse told me he got a bit sick after his food today but yesterday he was fine all day?
Tomorrow is one week he has been in surgery and having drips, they said they want to send him home tomorrow, so i can monitor him on wekend , all his medicine can be given oraly to him, the only thing he wont get is anti sickness injection. So hopefully he will be able to keep his food down .
I am so looking forward to bring him home , he looked as he had enough in there and there was a poor dogy there which wasnt well and was crying and that made him a bit nervious.
Also i spoke to my old vet yesterday, i had to call him becos Caroline said she has told him what's happened and he left two messages, he apologised for whats happened and said he will take full responsibility becos he is the vet , but he didnt know about me checking with the nurse about the tablets! He kept saying how sorry he is for what Boy and me have been through and he said if i want to put this in writing?
I told him we speak later, my priority is to get Boy back home and see that he gets better.
The problem is i have always been happy with this vet and he has always treated my cats well, and this mistake was made by the recieptionist and the nurse, i know its his surgery and he is responsible but this new place i dont know any one and i am not comfortable there, also i am concerned about Phoebe if i move her from the old place, i dont see how any one can deal with her?
Any how i think about this later.
I am praying BOY comes home and be on road to recovery. :hug: :thanks:
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I do hope that Boy is Ok when he comes home cos he seems to be doing better.
Do they want him to come home cos they think he will be better there or cos they just want him out for the weekend? Sorry I just suspicious.
The old vet is right to be saying he is responsible and once Boy is better then will be the time to talk this thro with the old vet and make decisions. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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BOY will be sooo happy to be home with you. It must be so scarey for them in the hospital as they don't know what is happening or if we are ever coming back. My Dragan wouldn't eat whilst hospitalised until I visited him, then he munched away at his food. I do hope BOY does well at home and that he continues to recover.
I am glad your previous vet has at least taken full responsibility for the actions of his staff. I know anyone can make a mistake but you did check back with them and this mistake has caused your poor cat to be so ill.
Good luck with whatever you decide and good luck with BOY over the weekend.
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I'm so pleased to hear they think he can come home - honestly I'm sure he will do better at home with you in familiar surroundings. :hug:
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Gill i think the reason they are sending him home is they change the drip every four days and they have done this twice ,( His paws must be sore)so now they think instead of puting a new one again its better to see how he is going to do without it, by now every thing is flushed out and becos all the other medication can be given oraly then hopefully he wont need the drip.
Yesterday Caroline told me they did a blood test again and still no sign of damage to his kidneys which is great , and now we have to waite and see if he has ulcers or not , but i dont think they want Boy out for weekend because they have 24 hours nurse and vet in surgery, i think at the moment there is nothing else they can do but giving him his medicines and the reason for weekend coming is they said its good time because i am at home and can watch him, also i agree with every one , i think its best if he come home and feel safe and loved, if he get worse again i will take him back on monday.?
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I think he will be very happy to be home with you and thats gotta do him good :hug: :hug:
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I am glad he can come home, and I am sure he will do well at home with you, and as it is a 24 hour practice, if he needs to go back, there will be someone there.
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Thankyou every one for your kind thoughts.
My Boy is home tonight :yayyy:, if everything goes well he will go back for checkup on wednesday, but if he get sick again then they are going to use anaesthetic and look inside him .
I am going to spend sometime with him now and then join the auction, since he is back home he agreed to give me his wallet and asked me to start biding on his behalf, while he is resting. :Luv: He wants to help little kitty's. Mind you thats very generous of him ;
BTW , Message for Lexy, Boy has got a red one but he is not going to auction it, he doesnt want to get in to competition with you :naughty:x
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That wonderful that he is home and I bet he is so happy :hug: :hug: :hug:
He sounds a very generous boy and so kind to think of other kitties ;D
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Excellent News! :happy dance:
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:happy dance: So happy he's finally home honey! Give him a big hug from Aunty R. xx
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Wonderful news, and fingers crossed he isn't sick again.
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He had something tiny to eat at 5 todat and little while a go he got sick, he couldnt keep it down. :(
He doesnt look well at all. I am going to let him just sleep for now .
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Aww, I do hope he is better in the mroning and doens't have to go back to the vet.
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Pav, so sorry he's still not feeling well :'( It may just be the medication that's causing this, fingers crossed he'll feel better tomorrow, xxxxxxxxxxxxx :hug:
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I am sorry Pav, maybe he needs the anti sickness jab.
He and his system have been under so much strain recently he prob needs time to recover.
Without readind all thro the thread again I cant remember what his original symptoms were that caused jim to need meds when he was given the wrong ones, could this have a bearing on it?
My thoughts are with you and Boy :hug: :hug:
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Sorry to hear BOY has been sick. Hope this improves over the weekend. Bet he is delighted to be home with you.
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How's he doing?
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I called Caroline this morning and told her he was sick last night, but when i collected him they told me he is doing well?? She said while the animals are in the vet becos they dont move around and rest all day they dont show all the signs and thats why sometimes they send them home to see how they get on?
I managed to give him 1/2 shiba at 6pm today and thats all his had since last night , he is just not interested in food or water! He slept all day and strange enough for the first time in 8 years he went to bedroom jump on the bed and slept on my side, now he is sleeping where Phoebe's towel is, which is very unusuall for BOY.
Caroline was going to speak to the surgery and get back to me to see if i should take him back on monday so they can look with the tube to see if they find something, i just have to wait and see what happenes? I will call her tomorrow.
Thankyou for asking about him :hug:
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Bless him, i am keeping him in my thoughts.
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I am thinking about Boy too and also you :hug:
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Hope he perks up bless him he has gone through such a lot :hug:
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Thinking of you both :hug: Got everything crossed that Boy perks up soon.
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Glad that Boy is home with you Pav. I am sure that he will be much better snuggled next to you that in the vets.
Thinking of you both and praying for a steady recovery.
Claire xx
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Really hope that Boy is feeling better today, sending him lots of positive vibes and a big hug for you xxx :hug: :hug: :hug:
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OH Thanks, he is looking better today, he had very little to eat and hasnt been sick :), still cant give him his tablets becos of not eating 3 times
but spoke to Caroline and she said him not drinking is not a problem , cats usually dont drink lots and they controll their urine , but him not eating concern her but i just have to monitor him and if he is sick a lot then take him to surgery if not then when i take him on wednesday for checkup and B12 injection(He is low in B12) Then she talks to sean and they decide if they should put him under anaesthetic and look inside.
I am just praying he doesnt get sick. :thanks:
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Fingers crossed for the little man
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Hi Pav, just wanted to let you know I am thinking of you and Boy. Wishing you both the best of luck and sending many soft healing snuggles for your little fella :hug:
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Hoping he shows an improvement.
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How's the brave BOY doing today?
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Sending positive vibes for good results for BOY~~~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug:
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A big thankyou from Boy and me for all the kind words and positive vibes :Luv:
He hasnt been sick in last two days which is a good sign? I am concern becos he shows no interest in food! I think i will know more on wednesday after his visit to the vet . But he is back to his usuall purring which is good sign. :)
Hehas lost so much weight, but that started before all these confusion with tablets.
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I'm sure he's going to recover well.
He's a wonderful cat and will soon be back to normal :hug: He's just said: mum.. for 8 years I bin good...now I get to worries you!
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One step and slowly slowly, if he has stopped being sick thats step one, so lets hope step 2 and eating will come next .
Love to Boy and hope he keeps improving :hug:
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Lets hope you can tempt him with some prawns or chicken to kick-start his appetite :hug:
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So pleased he's doing so much better bless him and I'm glad you seem a lot happier as well :Luv: :Luv: :hug:
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Good to hear that he's stopped being sick, just need to get some food in that tummy now :) Fingers crossed for Wednesday.
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Glad he has stopped being sick, but it is important to get some food into him, especially with all the weight he has lost. HAve the vets given you any special food to entice him?
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He had something this morning at 7.30 and started getting sick again , hehas been sick 3 times . I called Caroline and left her a message to see if i should take him to surgery today instead of tomorrow?
Last night i decided to take today off and stay home with him and i am glad i did , he doesnt look good again :(
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Sending over lots more positive vibes for you both :hug: Hope he's feeling better later today and stops being sick :hug:
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Oh dear it is such a worry. Hope he manages to keep some food down and please let us know what happens re the vets. :hug:
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I am so sorry he is sick again Pav and am thinking of you both :hug:
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Sorry to hear Boy being sick again, let us know how vet visit goes :hug:
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Thanks, i spoke to Caroline and i have to take him in tomorrow morning at 8.30, and not to give him any food .
She said once they have a look inside then they will know more, so hopefully by tomorrow afternoon they can tell me .
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good luck to Boy tomorrow and i hope they can find out what theproblem is and make him well :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Sending loads of good luck vibes for tomorrow :hug:
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Good luck tomorrow BOY and another worrying day! :hug:
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Lexy and I both are thinking of him (well she is! Shes mates with Boy! ;) ) but especially me... I'm on my phone all day tomorrow hun, just call me if you need to vent while you worry, but either way I'll call you xx
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Best wishes for you and Boy tomorrow, thinking of you :hug:
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Good luck for today, and I hope it is positive news.
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How is BOY today and how did he fare at the vets? :hug:
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I've got behind with this thread. How is Boy now? How did the vet visit go?
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Any news yet................................... hope everythings ok
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I do too cos I been worrying about Boy and you since no news yesterday :hug:
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Has anyone heard how Boy is ? I really hope that no news is good news xxx
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As of last night there was no news, and I haven't heard from Pav yet but hopefully she's at the vet now and will have news later.
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Hoping all is okay with you both :grouphug:
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Me too :hug: :hug:
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HI,I am sorry every one i couldnt post lastnight, when i left BOY in the vet lastnight i slipped and hurt my Knee and back, i just made it home to bed and couldnt sit to post.
Boy had ultrasound, xrays and biopsy. The biopsy result wont be ready till next week, but they told me at the moment they can say he has ulcers and the lining of his intestines are soft and bleeding . The biopsy they have done is only from the top layers so it might not show every thing but Caroline said she doesnt want to operate on him and open his stomach to see if she can find anything,that is because of Norocarp and all the complication they prefer not to operate and also he has been through somuch already, so now we have to wait till next week to get the result.
My cab is here i have to go to my GP for my back but i will post latr. :hug:
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Good Luck at the docs Pap....hope its nothing too serious! :hug:
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Thinking of you and Boy - wishing you both a speedy recovery xxx
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Hope you are ok and that the results for BOY bring good news
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Thankyou everyone for your well wishes, BOY is back home for weekend like last week, but i have to take him tomorrow and sunday for his medicines which is given by injection.
He is really happy to be home, i am going to spoile him ,lots of cuddels and hugs and brushing, he has been through so much. :hug:
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I hope you are OK Pav and so pleased that Boy is home with you :hug:
I hope that the results will help make Boy better when they arrive but I guess he must be feeling really sore from his poor insides, no wonder he doesnt want to eatand is sick.
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You have both been through a lot. I hope he has a very happy weekend with you and that you are not too sore from your fall
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:hug: Thinking of you both, hope you have a nice weekend together :hug: lots of fusses for the both of you doctors orders :hug:
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Awww Thanks, last night there was something wrong with my computer! Everytime i posted it just disappeared :-:
Yesterday when we got home just out side the door he was so happy going from oneside to other side of carrier, i am sure if he could jump up and down he would :Luv: and then he had some food and water :wow:, and went to my bed and didnt get sick all night, and with him being well , my fall didnt seem to mater ;D
This morning i took him and they gave him Zantac injection for the ulcers and two other injections , antibiotics and anti sickness, he was asgood as gold, but since he attacked the vet 2 weeks ago no one really wants to handle him :naughty:
Thankyou again every one , i couldnt do this without you. :hug:
Now we have to wait for the biopsy result and pray that things get better.
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Sending you both positive healing vibes~~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug:
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If the vet is the long haired one I saw when I picked up Lexy, I would have attacked him too! In the nasty way not the hooman way :naughty:
Boy's a real trooper. :hug:
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Boy is saying thankyou Aunti Ruth ;)
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Im so glad that Boy is home with you for the weekend, still sending positive vibes for him and love and hugs for you xxx
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You know this is incredibly sad that BOY has had to suffer because of the negligence of a staff member at your former vet practice. I am sure it makes you so very angry because it does me. Anyway as I said in my previous post I am glad he is home with you for the weekend and hope he is well. :hug:
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I know Maddiesmum, i am very upset about what happened specially when i called the nurse to check with her and no matter how the name of to tablets are similar if she had listened to me and not rushing to hang up then all these could be avoided, but that is something which i have to deal with later, at the moment i want to concentrate on Boy and see if he can get better.
I read few nights ago here, that some one elses cat was given the wrong dose of tablets,its really scary to know mistakes are made everyday in different practices and sadly some people never findout about.
I am so gratefull that we were lucky enough to findout he was given the wrong medicine , and the sad thing in BOY case is that the old vet didnt realize untill he was told,so if i hadgone back to them not knowing , he probably would have gone through so many unneccesary tratments.
Now lets go back to auction and get something nice for the cats. :hug:
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Fingers crossed you have a good weekend and the biopsy shows something good. Did you get my pm by the way?
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Thanks Desley.
No i havent but ! But i did send you one little while ago. ;D
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How did he do over the weekend? Hope it was good
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was wondering the same thing, hope you are both well :hug:
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I had a call from Caroline this evening, she said the biopsy result has come, doesnt show everything becos its from top layers but she said she think severe bowel inflamation but because there is a shadow there aswell it could be bowel cancer :( Sadly the only way to find out which is to operate and take a thick layers for biopsy and she does not want to operate becoz of the norcarp and the other injection. This wrong medicines has made everything so complicated.
But she said the treatment for both cases are similar! I asked if it involves chimo? She said sometimes but a light one, she said she would like to talk it over with the other vets tomorrow and then she will call me late afternoon.
Yes he has been well since friday, hasnt been sick but thats because of the injections everyday. Hopefully i will know more tomorrow. :thanks:
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Pav, you know where I am if you need to chat and I'll keep everything crossed that's things will work out okay, xxxxxxxxxx
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This seems endless for you and BOY. I do hope things work out ok. I feel so sad for you both. :hug:
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Aww, I am sorry the biopsy wasn't as positive as it could be, we are all thinking of you, and praying it is just the meds and nothing worse.
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Hi Pav,
I haven't been around over the weekend and so I have only just caught up with this. I am pleased that Boy is back with his mummy as I am sure this will make his sprirt brighter. Sorry to hear about the results, but remain positive - he is a strong man and between you I know you can fight this.
You have all my thoughts.
Claire xx
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Any news? hope you are both hanging in there. :hug:
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Hugs for you Pav and positive vibes for your big brave Boy.
I really feel for you having to cope with all of this :hug: :hug:
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:hug: hope you are keeping well and sending you positive thoughts :hug:
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Hi every one, i need some advise , i really dont know what is best to do for BOY anymore?
On my last post i said Caroline was going to have a meeting with sean and decide whats best for BOY, he has severe bowel inflammentary or bowel cancer, but i was told the treatment is the same, cortisons and maybe light chemo.
I got a call from Caroline yesterday leaving me a message to say we have to talk about Boy's treatment , so i text her and said if she is in the surgery and i can go and see her to discuss things because no one in that place talk to me and on saturday i had to waite more than one hour till the vet found out what medication Boy needs, no one left the details in the computer!!
Last night i got the call from Caroline saying she was really busy all day and then she said since she doesnt have a surgery she can not monitor Boy and because i am not in her area she cant visit him all the times and also the vet surgery she does the ops in there are very busy and she knows there are many vets working there and its fine if it was basic care but Boy needs more.
She also said she doesnt want to give Boy , cortison because of the ulcers and the norocarp even that is out of his system but damage has been done, so i asked but can he be treated for his condition and she said its not can he its if he can take the medication.
Then she said i have to option:
1- Go back to my old VET :-: OR 2- Get a referal to specialist? Royal collage of veternary in potters bar or Davies surgery in Hartfordshire
and she said i have to tell you the cost will be thousands and also they have to do all this tests on him again?
I dont mind how much it cost i get the money from my credit card and sort it later! But if he cant have cortisons what is the point of putting him through all the tests and travelling, i live in london and going to those places takes a while .
Now i really dont know what to do, i asked her if she can callme today, becoz she was in a hurry last night and kept saying she is late,but i want to know can his ulcers be treated first and then next step or we dont have the luxury of time/ I know its a long post but if any one can think of whats right please i appreciate it. :thanks:
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Oh Pav, what a terrible situation. :hug: :hug:
I think you are right to want to know if the ulcers can be treated before doing anything else, were these caused by the wrong meds? If so then maybe payment for treatment , if it is possible should come from the old vet but I am sure you are far to worried about Boy to think of this at the moment.
I think either Caroline or the surgery who has been traeting him should advise you and I dont think they should off load their responsibilites like this. You need a good vets practice near to you who can sit down with copies of all his records and talk this through with you but it does need to be done very fast I think.
Is there a good practice anywhere near you who could do this, maybe others in London could advise? Where abouts in London are you? I believe that my brother has a good vet and that is Enfield but whether he has expertise on this kind of thing I do not know.
I cant believe that in London there are not places with good facilities and knowledge, one thought would a ring to the Vets Association maybe give a lead on a good vet? Would PDSA or Battersea Dogs home take Boy on as an urgent private patient I wonder?
I wish I could give some good advise but I just dont know what you can do, except to go through the telephone book or Yell.com on internet and ring around. Boy needs looking after to get him through Christmas and I am sure this is all very urgent.
I am afraid all this makes me very angry and if it was my cat I would be going crazy. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know :hug:
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Yes Gill the ulcers are because of wrong med and also the reason she doesnt want to operate to take a thick layer for biopsy is because of norocarp , thats why they cant say if its bowel inflamentary or cancer .
I live in NW2 which is Kilburn and i dont mind to travel but i dont want to stress BOY , I was wondering if anyone here knows of a good vet in London which can recommend just for second opinion again. all day today i was on line looking for vets but dont know which one to call?
Thats why if some one can recommend one, which they have used would be great, You are right i need to take all his papers and xrays and ask them what s best to do?
Caroline hasbeen great till now but my impression was she doesnt want to be involve anymore and i think she cant see paitent in surgery , only she can use the place to operate, but to be honest the surgery is one of the worse in order to comunicate and customer care and service and on sunday when i was waiting to other people there were very unhappy aswell!!
Boy has been eating and drinking since friday which i brought him home and hasnt been sick , which is good but once this medication i have finishes then i dont know what will happen,and that is tomorrow so i need to find a place really soon.
Thankyou so much for your advise Gill.
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Yes it is the same one as Caroline told me in heartford shire and i just realised they have a smaller one in camden which is really close to me, but what worries me is that they will have to do all the tests on him again and he already has been in and out of vets since 6th of November, he has been throgh so much may be while wait for appointments with this place i should go and see another vet for second opinion.
SO PLEASE if any one knows of a good vet which they trust in London let me know. Thankyou every one. :hug:
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I have only just picked this up :-[ because a chum told me about it. I need to read the whole thread through, but we have an excellent vet here in Fulham if you would like the details? Put it this way, I trust them with Blip.
Please PM if you would rather...
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I can't help you with vets Pav, but I just wanted to say I'm so sorry for what your'e going through, it all seems so 'up in the air', and no-one is giving you guidance as to what's best for Boy. Can Caroline continue to prescribe his current medication for the time being, until you find another suitable vet? :hug:
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I have only just picked this up :-[ because a chum told me about it. I need to read the whole thread through, but we have an excellent vet here in Fulham if you would like the details? Put it this way, I trust them with Blip.
Please PM if you would rather...
Yes pease Christine, if you could send me their contact number or even the name, i really appreciate it.
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I just spoke to Caroline and asked her if she can do the referal, since it takes few weeks for them to give me the appointment and meanwhile if she can help me talking me through what i should and shouldnt do over the phone , since she cant do home visit and i will pay for her time she spend on the phone because its kind of consultation and she is happy to do this,so she told me she is going to send me a prescription for his tablet which is going to finish tomorrow and she said its better if while waiting for the specialist appointment, we start the treatment for his tyroied and she will send them in post to me and she said i have to monitor his weight, becos if he start loosing weight tooquick then that is not good sign for his condition.
I asked her why do i need to go to this specialist if he cant take cortison and put him through all the tests again, and she said in cats their conditions change sometime on daily basis so its best to do so, but if Christine can give me her vets name i would like to go and see them aswell.
Gill thankyou so much for the information and thankyou every one from both of us.
She also said the place in camden , areall students but the one in heartfordshire are with high deploma so its better to go there, and there they can tell me if we can treat his ulcers first and whats best. :thanks:
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Pav, I can do better than that:
http://www.pawsinc.co.uk/index.php
People bring their cats from Chelsea (and further afield) to see Simon. I trust him. If you want to talk to me, let me know.
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Pav, I can do better than that:
http://www.pawsinc.co.uk/index.php
People bring their cats from Chelsea (and further afield) to see Simon. I trust him. If you want to talk to me, let me know.
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Thankyou so much Christine. x
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You know I feel so angry and frustrated for you so goodness knows how you must be feeling. Poor BOY and poor you. This cat is ill because of the negligence of your previous vet. I was disappointed to read that his current vet wants to pass him on and can only hope and pray that you find a vet you can have complete confidence and trust in and that this will be rewarded by consistent and safe care for your cat. My thoughts are with you and I so wish I could do something to help you.
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I am so sorry to hear that things are still all up in the air, I do hope you can find some answers soon.
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Hi everyone, Caroline managed to make an appointment for this morning at 9am for BOY in Queen mother hospital for animals in heartfordshire, i collectd the referal and all his files and privious Xrays ferom Caroline late last night and we should be on our way soon, Caroline said this is the best thing to do because they have specialists there and his case is really complicated,so i know they are going to keep BOY there at least for todayto do more tests and then hopefully they will be able to help him. All this because of one mistake, Caroline said if his case was straight forward she wood give him cortison but no it is not straight forward and my poor BOY has to go through all this tests again, this morning i feel really angry with my old vet >:(
So if you have few free minutes just pray that things go well for Boy and me. :thanks: :hug:
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I will be keeping you in my thoughts today.
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A big :grouphug: for you and Boy. Give him a cuddle from me. :hug:
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Best of luck for today, I will be keeping both of you in my thoughts and prayers :hug:
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Wishing you all the luck in the world for today - love and positive vibes for the big brave Boy xxx
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Good luck today and strength to both you and your Boy. You're in my thoughts and prayers. Hope you get nothing but the best of treatment for Boy from now on.
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Am praying that everything will be OK for you and Boy today and that he gets the right treatment to get him better. :hug:
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Thank God it's not any worse - hope you get better news on Wednesday - praying for you both and have everything crossed. :luck: :luck: :best:
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Hope all goes well for you and your BOY today. :hug:
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Thinking of you today...
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Pappilon, any news? Thinking of you and Boy and keeping my fingers crossed.
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Thanks, no news they are going to call me tonight, but they said they are going to do all the tests again and also doing ultrasound again because there was a shadow in his pancreas last time the other vet xrayed, but she said the same thing, bowel cancer or severe bowel inflammatory but she also said operating is his condition is dangerous and also if i dont consider chemo is no point of operating to take thicker layers, so i really dont think there is anything else they can do except start him on thyroid tablets and then cortison, and i will never know if it was cancer or bowel inflammatory ?!
She also said i can pick him up tomorrow,so i will know more when i go back :(
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Do you think that it is possible that he may have damaged his pancreas? My cat has an abnormality showing on his pancreas they think due to scarring from pancreatic attacks. Might be worth asking?
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I hope you can get more answers tomorrow Pav.
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I am really hoping that they can give you some good news tomorow and that Boy can be treated so he can live a normal life :hug:
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Sending positive vibes BOY's direction~~~~~~~ :hug:
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Thinking of BOY and you, Pav - please keep us posted.
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Lots of love and hugs xx
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Pav
How is Boy ? anymore news yet? :hug:
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YesTeresa he came home yesterday, diagnosis they gave is hyperthroid which they gave me Fwlimazole and they dont want to start him yet on steroid because they are not sure if its IBD or lymphoma, they are going to reassess BOY'S steroid therapy after the results of the biopsy analysis, they said the only other way to know better about his condition is to take surgical full thickness biopsies of his intestines but there are risks and since i dont want him to go through chemotherapy if lymphoma found then its best not to do it.
The ultrasound scan showed there is a mass in his pancreas, and they aspirated some cells, but they cant rull out if its a tumour or inflammation, and this needs a surgical biopsy as well to know more? But they said if its pancreatic tumour then prognosis is not good.
They have put him under a diet which is venison (Hills D/D tinned), ONLY , no other treat or dry food and he has to go every week for B12 injection.
They want me to take him back in 3 weeks to do ultrasound to see if there is changes in the mass in his pancreas and blood test for his thyroid?
And also to decide if i want them to operate and see , but i really am not sure if there is any point , because if its cancer they cant do anything
and may be is best to start the steroid .
I saw Caroline today and she said pancreatic cancer is no cure which i know because DD had it last year and they couldnt do anything and for his bowel biopsy its the risk of intestinal wound breakdown, so basicly i dont think i can do anything but hope its not cancer or lymphoma which i think it is . Caroline also said the only reason people agree with operation at this stage is becos they want to know what it is? And she said Boy has been through somuch already and i agree thats why i dont want to put him through chemo, but if anyone has any advise i appreciate. Pav
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I did the same as you with Tiger Pav - I dont see the point in putting them through the surgery to get an answer if there is no way of treating it (and obviously the anaesthetic risk in an older animal). I wish things were sounding more positive for you both though. I would be tempted to push for the steroids in case it is IBD, as long as it wouldnt make things worse if it weren't. Fingers crossed he likes the food.
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Pavvy so sorry I've not been online as much the last couple days.
I don't know what to say. I couldn't be in your shoes right now. I hope that above all, the steriods work, but if the key is to give Boy a good quality of life and keep him happy until the time comes, then I would choose the same as you.
No one could love him more honey, he has the best carer in the world right now. :hug:
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I am so very sorry to hear what you had to say. I hope with all my heart that it is just inflammation and responds to the steroids. I wish you and BOY all the very very best of luck you have both been through so much recently. Take care of yourselves :hug: :hug:
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I am so sorry to hear this and agree with you that too put him through surgeery just for the vets curiosity would not be acceptable.
i hope that maybe steroids would give him a quality of life, as long as they do not do more damage or cause him pain.
My heart is with you and Boy :hug: :hug:
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Caroline told me few weeks ago if its IBD or cancer the tratment are similar which is cortison, but i didnt know it can do more damage or make things worse?
Last year when DD was diagnosed with pancreatin cancer, the vet told me steroid injections will give her some time and also she will be able to eat, and he came every 3 or 4 days and gave her the injection, and the last time he increased the amount he said it will last 2 to 3 weeks, but it lasted 3 days and she got very sick, i know she wasnt in pain. The last day she just couldnt keep the food down thats when i knew i have to set her free. :Luv: :'(
I dont know may be Boy's case is different because and more complicated, thats why they holding off the steroid treatment untill their pathologist gives a second opinion on his biopsies.
I really dont know whats best anymore, i told some one few nights ago its just like everything is happening all over again and exactly the same time as last year .
He does eat the new food but last night when i went to feed Phoebe he smelled the food and started purring and following me so i thought i feed Phoebe on the sofa so he cant see , then he came and sat close to her started purring to see if he can get some of her food, the only thing he got from her was a bang on the head, i didnt know to laugh or feel sorry for him, he just loves his treats and food and now no more, he is so sweet. :hug:
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Sorry to hear this :hug: Give Boy a gentle had kiss from me and the boys :hug:
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Aww, bless him.
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i am so sorry to hear about "Boy", i hope everything goes ok for him and you, it is a worrying time for you i know but please keep us all posted,(((((((((((hugs to you and Boy))))))))))))))))) :Luv:
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How's BOY doing? Hope he is well and happy and had a good Xmas (you too)
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I hope you have both had a good Christmas :hug:
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Thankyou Maddiesmum and Gill, he went for his B12 injection on christmas eve, and he started being sick again, but not every day.
We are taking each day as it comes, didnt celeberate or do anything speciall, not really in right mood with Boy being sick and DD aniversary coming up, for me it was just having two days off work, and for Boy and Phoebe its Christmas every day :)
I hope every one had a good Christmas. :hug: :hug:
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Bless him he has had such a lot to contend with. I think about him a lot. Here's hoping he improves and has some happy times :hug:
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I am sorry you didn't have the best Christmas, I do hope the New Year brings some good news to you.
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Thinking if you both :hug:
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Thinking if you both :hug:
me too :hug:
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How's the little soldier doing?
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Hi Maddiesmum, my little guy is not well he started getting sick again, he's been sick 3 times today.i just have to see how it goes this wekend :(
He has appointment at 9.am on wednesday for his B12 injection with Caroline , so i am praying he doesnt get worse in next few days, other wise i have to take him to heartfordshire RVC in case of emergency, they have 24 hours vets but his appointment with them is next week thats when the vet which has seen him is going to be there and i really dont want to take him to a place which no one knows him. But if it gets worse then i have to. :(
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I am so sorry that Boy is being sick again and hope that he doesnt get any worse, all my thoughts are with you and Boy :hug:
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Fingers crossed he doesn't get any worse.
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Thinking of you both - keep us posted, Pappillon :hug:
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Oh poor BOY what a terriible time for him. I so hope he can stop being sick and will start to improve. My thoughts are with you both :hug: :hug:
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How's he doing?
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Thanks Maddiesmum, he is not too bad today, he was sick early morning but only once today.
Ruth saw him today,when she was around visiting little Pippa, she agreed he has lost so much weight :(
I speak to caroline on wednesday when Boy is going for B12 injection, and see if they can put him back on the tablets to help him not to get sick, but next monday we are going back to heartfordshire RVC, by then they will have all the results back and then they might start the steroid treatment, right now we taking each day as it comes. :) x
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Its sad when they lose weight like that but I guess when he cant keep the food inside him , it will happen.
I do hope that his jab will help him until he goes back to the hospital and do hope they can give you some good news.
Please give him a gentle stroke from me :hug: :hug:
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Ditto what Gill said. Big stroke for BOY and :hug: for you who must be worn out with the worry and stress
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You are both still in my thoughts, and I hope there is a good outcome to this
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Me too :hug:
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Boy is saying fankyou to all the meoaunties for asking about him and also he is going to be in bed at midnight so he wants to wish all the nice furry friends and their slaves a :New year 7: Hope your new year is filled with happiness and prawns :naughty:
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Misa, Sasa, Franta and Ducha wish Boy the bestest New Year in the world and I wish you one too ;D
:newyr 1: :new year 6: :newyr 1:
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HAPPY NEW YEAR to BOY from Dragan and his mum
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How are they both?
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Hi, Boy had his B12 today and has put on over 100 grams in weight whic is good , now i have to take him on monday to RVC and they will have all the results and will do more blood test and ultrasound to see if there are changes in the size of the mass in his pancreas.
Phoebe eye is really sore , i told Caroline today and she said she think its some kind of allergy but she doesnt think its flea allegy since its only on her face ,and not all over her body, but i have to take her in, so she gave me Diazepam to give to Phoebe on friday morning and then take her :tired:
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could be it started as an allergy but then the skin developed a fungal infection as well - might be an idea to get skin scrapings done ...
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Just had a call from RVC, they had the results back and she said after their pathologist has analysed the privious biopsy from Boy's intestines, its lymphoma and not IBD. She said she thinks 6 to 8 weeks thats how long he has left and its no need to take him back on monday because it really no need to do more test to find out if there are changes in his pancreas,and well thats it i have to go cant write anymor
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Pav I am so very very sorry :hug: :hug: :hug:
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oh pav, I am so sorry ... there really isn't anything any of us can say to make you feel better. Just know we are here for you when you want to talk . :grouphug:
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So sorry to hear :hug: :hug: :hug:
I havent read pages back, is Boy on preds? My friends cat had 6 months extra because of them, it doesnt help in all cases tho. We tried Taffy on them but he was one they didnt work for :(
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Pavvy :hug:
I'll call you later if you feel up to it. I let G know. She'll check in on you too Xx
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I am so sorry, Pav. Give BOY all the love in the world and take each day as it comes :hug:
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So sorry Pav :'( :hug:
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So very sorry :hug: :hug:
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No its fine, i shouldnt have stoped the post, is just one hour a go i was saying he is well and even put on weight and then the call came, and was just too much.
I knew the day i took him to my own vet in November , its pancreas or intestine cancer , the signs were so much like DD,loosing weight and being sick and other signs i just cant think now.
IT's just no matter how much you prepare yourself and try to be logical and say oh he had a good life and all the rest, just doesnt work, i think i am not making sense.
Thankyou every one , it means a lot, your kind words.
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You're right, you can prepare yourself and psyche yourself up but there is something inside that stops you believing until you absolutely have to - I am so sorry Pav, enjoy your remaining time with him. :hug:
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Oh no I am so very very sorry, I just sent you a message before I read your posting. What can I say you must be devastated. Let's hope the little BOY holds on longer without discomfort and that you have plenty of time to love and spoil him. Life sucks sometimes Pav :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry to hear this :hug: Treasure the time you have with each other :hug:
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Hi Pav
No words are enough, but I hope you know how much you and Boy are in our thoughts.
Claire xx
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I am so very sorry to read this, I truly hoped it woudl be IBD. I do hope you have a lot of good quality time together, and do treasure it. Will be continuing to keep you in my thoughts.
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Pav, this time will go either very fast or be very slow for you both. I am so very sorry and no words or hugs or anything can really make you feel better. We all know how it feels and all anyone can really say is make the most of your time together and take lots of photos and remember the good times.
Love Mary :ahh: :lick:
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Oh Pav how awful :'( So sorry about BOY's results..... :grouphug:
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Sending you a big :hug:, enjoy every day you have with him, and spoil him completely, which I am sure you will :hug:
I wish the news had been better :hug:
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Pav, I'm so very sorry to hear your news about Boy. You have been through such an emotional roller coaster with this, there are no words except I know you will make the very most of the time he has left. :hug:
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could be it started as an allergy but then the skin developed a fungal infection as well - might be an idea to get skin scrapings done ...
Sorry b/c this skin scraping, does it have to be done under anaesthetic? Or its possible to do it while she is under the effect of Diazepam? Thats what i am giving her in the morning before taking her and hoping that they dont have to give her more sedative.
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the vet should do it as it requires sharp instrument near her eye. Also needs to be kept in sterile conditions and collected in same ...
Definitely a 'do not try this at home' sort of thing
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I just wantd to see if the vet can do it with the light sedative she is under or GA?
No way i try anything like this at home with her :scared: or any cats.
Thankyou, i will ask them to do this, around her eye looks worse than yesterday.
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sorry, miunderstood the question. Yes the vet should be able to do it under light sedation as long as she is not too flighty ... I would certainly be asking them to try it
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Good luck at the vets and how is BOY today?
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Thankyou Maddiesmun.
He is having his breakfast now and hasnt been sick since wednesday. :)
I am sitting here , waiting for Diazepam to start, so i can get Phoebe ready for her visit to the vet.
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Good luck for today.
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Thanks Desley, Phoebe is in the vet now, but as i was leaving the house this morning Boy got sick again and throuup all his breakfast :(
He was really fine since wednesday, but i guess i have to expect this happening,just have to see how often . I'll see this evening if he can keep the food down.
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Aww, poor boy. I do hope he isn't sick too often.
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Aw Pav, you're having a hell of a time aren't you? I'm so sorry. At least you know the animals appreciate everything you are doing.
Love Mary and Bonnie xx :Luv2: :hug:
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I am sorry that Boy has been sick and hope that he will be able to keep some down.
I hope everything with Phoebe goes Ok and that she can be sorted out easily and quickly cos you and your cats really need a break :hug: :hug:
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So sorry that the news wasnt better Pav, thinking of you and Boy. All I can say is cherish every moment with him. xxx
Good luck vibes for Phoebe xxx
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I can't believe what rotten luck you are having at the moment and my heart goes out to you.
Can't really find the right words so just sending lots of :hug:
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I hope Phoebe was ok and am sad to hear that BOY has been sick again but he has done well holding his food down since Wednesday. Hope you all are ok.
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Just logging in to offer support and find out how things are with you all, Papillon :hug:
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So so sorry Pav have just read the post about Boys results, Sending you lots of love and hugs Cherish every second with him, will be thinking of you both :hug:
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Thinking about you all :hug:
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How did the vets trip go?
Hows Boy? :hug:
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Hi, just posted about Phoebe's vet trip :tired:, , but sadly Boy's been sick since yesterday and hasnt stopped.
Today i am feeding him in very small portions but every few hours, he has been sick twice, but this evening he had his food and went back to bed and he hasnt been sick ., as long as he is eating and purring and not in any pain.
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Poor Boy and I think the small feeding often is a good idea :hug:
Is he having another injection soon that may help? Afraid I have forgotten what treatment he is having now cos my head is a bit fuzzy.
Boy is so lucky to have someone who cares so much :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry Pav :hug:
What are you currently feeding Boy? Not sure if he can have it but Hills AD is very good for sick cats and they dont need to have lots of it to get the right level of nutrition. You can also heat it or water it down, whatever is required. Just thought it was worth mentioning :hug:
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Yes Kocka used to eat it off my finger, she wouldnt eat it any other way, so a feed would go on a s long as she wanted and oh boy it stinks ;D
It also meant that she ate small amounts often and it kept well in the fridge. She used to like it ice cold too!
it might be something to ask Carloline when you next see her cos his poor tummy may not be able to cope with it but on the other hand it is very nutricious cos was designed for sick cats.
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When he had his tests in RVC , they told me he has to eat Hills D/D venison tinned diet, and nothing else . No treats or dry food, but it is very hard, i didnt know about heating it up , thanks Linda i will try it tomorrow, might make it more pleasant for him.
Gill, i am taking him for his B12 injection on wednesday and he is taking his tyroid tablets, hasnt started the steroid yet.
Have to speak to Caroline , the surgery yesterday didnt know anything about it because the RVC , informed Caroline about the results and i have left a message for her.
I just want to say thankyou to every one who is giving me advise and all your kind words means so much. :hug: Thankyoux
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:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for Pav
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for Phoebe
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for BOY
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I do hope you can stop him being sick, as that can't be very pleasant for him. I would be tempted to see if Caroline can see him tomorrow, and maybe give him some antisickness stuff - you also need to keep an eye on him for dehydration too, as that will make him feel worse. Good luck, and I do hope this is just a blip.
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How are you all today :hug:
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Yes, hows it going today, Papillon?
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:grouphug: to you both ;)
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Thinking of you :hug:
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I hope Boy gets sorted out soon, you and he really need a break :hug:
My vets made a mistake with Kara's steroids before xmas but I only collared Sean about it today and he wasn't impressed. She was meant to have 5mg twice daily and luckily I know the tablets well as she's been on them a while, but the receptionists had actually given her 25mg tablets which I could easily have given her two of. On the label Sean had printed, it had 5 mg. I took the box in today for Sean to look at to see if he could spot the mistake, he asked if he could keep the box and went through and :censored: the receptionist. He said mistakes like this shouldn't happen and he apologised and asked if I had realised straight away, luckily I had, but most people wouldn't as the tablets are only marginally bigger than her usual ones. He also realises if a complaint was put in, it would more than likely fall on his shoulders as he was the vet that prescribed them.
Big :hug: to you, Boy, Phoebe and Tramp and I'm keeping everything crossed, xxxxxx
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Aw, thankyou every one, Boy hasnt been sick since yesterday and even came downstairs last night at 1.00am and played with his da bird for a while. It was great to see him happy.
I have been doing what Linda said , warming his food and it seems he is enjoying it more, thankyou Linda. :hug:
We are going to vet on wednesday and Caroline is there on wednesdays so i am hoping she start the steroid treatment.
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Aww, glad he is keeping things down and playing
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Bless so glad he felt well enough to play.
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Its great that he is keeping some food down, am still thinking of you both :Luv:
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so pleased he kept the food down and had a wee play, thinking of you all :hug:
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Every little bit of food kept inside must help.................carry on Boy slowly slowly :hug:
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Hello and how did the BOY get on at the vet's yesterday? Good I hope
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Yes Maddiesmum, i am waiting for Caroline to confirm something with the vet in RVC and one more test results, and then i will post. :hug: :thanks:
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I called Caroline to see if she called the vet in RVC, but she said she forgot and will do tomorrow, but yesterday when i told her that i was told Boy has 6-8 weeks she was surprised! She said with lymphoma Boy still have months or even one year and only if the mass in his pancreas is cancer and not inflammation then he has short time and since we dont know if it is pancreatic cancer unless we do surgery then its not possible to say 6-8 weeks? I know its not really good news because he does have the intestine cancer but atleast there is hope that if the mass in pancreas is not tumour then he might have longer. She also said she wants to talk to them just to check about this and also to start him on a tablet called LEUKERAN at the same time as the steroids.
Does any one know about Leukeran? She said is like a light chemo treatment but he doesnt have to go every week for blood test and injection, only i have to stop him from going out so he doesnt catch anything apparently taking this tablet affect his immune system?
Today Is 5 days that Boy hasnt been sick but he is gone off his D/D venison diet and i had to give him normal food today.!!
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I am pleased there seems to be little good news for Boy and him not being sick for 5 days is wonderful ;D
I have not heard of the drug but will have a search on internet and seee is any info.
sad he has gone off his special food and hope his food does not make him sick again :hug: :hug:
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I'm glad he's managing to keep his food now and I hope he continues to improve :hug: Here's a link to Leukeran: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001493.html
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I think thats the one I have come up with too
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001493.html
but its a medicine that is used for humans and I didnt find any cat info........Sam is far better at searching stuff than me so if she sees this maybe she can see if she can find any cat info.
Definately as Caroline described to you but I know that chemo drugs can make people feel very sick and Alison will be able to confirm this.
My questions to Caroline would be:
1. Has this been used on cats before and what success did it have
2. Will it make Boy feel nausious and stop him eating, or actually make him vomit.
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Glad things are seeming a bit more positive, but I would be asking similar questions to Gill before giving him any meds. Fingers crossed.
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Thankyou Gill, i have to say i was against chemo from the begining and told the vet in RVC and thats one of the reasons she said since i dont consider chemo then there is no point in doing surgery to find if the mass in Boy,s pancreas is inflammation or cancer but she also said animals dont react to chemo like humans and they get sick at the start and then it stops but she also said with chemo i have to take him every week for blood test and injection and she said you have to see if your cat is the type which thankyou for this or not and i would not do this to Boy putting him through the stress of blood test and trips to vet week after week but with this tablet he need to go once a month for blood test and i can give him at home so he wont get stress about the trip to vet, and also Caroline mentioned with steroid treatment is best to put him on leukeran.
I did go to the site and saw that it mention people only? Thankyou for mentioning the questions,i am going to ask her tomorrow and i know all medicine have side effects but if in any way it makes him uncomfortable i will not put him through it, i belive in quality of life and for sake of few months if, i will not put him through this, thats why i asked if any one knows or has any experiance with this drug.
I would love to have him with us for as long as possible but this is about him not me and i promised my self that i never make the same mistake as i did with DD.
Dawn thankyou so much for the info,i read it and now i will put the questions Gill mentioned to Caroline. Bless youx
Thankyou Desley,now that i know a bit more ,Boy wont start any med till we are sure.x
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I am so happy that your chat with Caroline has made you feel more positive. Poor BOY has had such a rough time as have you and I reallly hope that things will slow down and that you can now enjoy some good stress free times together. Hope too that the little fella manages to keep his food down.
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Hi Pav, glad boy is managing to eat a little more. Hope things continue to look up for you :hug:
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Good luck today BOY starting your meds., Hope you take them like a good boy and hope they help. :hug:
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Thankyou Maddiesmum, i am going to give him the Leukeran only tonight, i didnt want him to take it in the morning and left on his own in case he gets sick , at least i can watch him at night, but he already taken his steoids, so we have to see how it goes ? He is going back to vet on wednesday for B12 injection so fier crossed he wont be sick after the new drug :scared: x
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I hope this goes well for Boy :hug: :hug:
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Gill,i do hope so. I asked Caroline and she said she has prescribed it for many cats before and its more gentle for animals than human cos of dosage so the side effects are minimum, and he might get sick for first day or two but she said she recommend this and thesteroid , also if he has pancreatic cancer this treatment may help!
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Oh thats good ;D
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Fingers crossed for BOY (and you Pav) :hug:
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Fingers crossed for you both.
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Hope the new meds help Boy, he sounds like a right little fighter :) :hug: to you too.
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Hoping that the meds dont cause any unwanted effects for BOY! :hug:
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Fingers crossed for you and BOY, hope the meds work :hug:
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me too. He should hopefully feel quite a bit better after the B12 injection too. Hope all goes well.
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Hope BOY is feeling good today. Did he take his meds like the good boy he is?
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Thankyou, yes he did take the leukeran last night and i didnt go to work today in case he gets really sick ,cos Caroline told me last week not to start on weekend in case i had to take him to the vet and there are only emergency vets are there not the usuall ones, so i wasnt sure if i should leave him alone to day or not , but finger crossed he hasnt been sick since taking the new med, next one is due on thursday and am just praying that he doesnt get the side effects.
He has started spraying , but i was told by some one here to mention it to Caroline , it might be urinary infection due to stress and not being well, Thankyou so much for the advice , i just hope he doesnt have to take more tablets.
Helen you are right, he is a fighter and i never thought of him as one :), Thankyou for every ones kind words and support, it means a lot to :)Boy and me. :hug: :hug:
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Clever boy, Boy taking his meds and not being sick :hug:
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Good news and fingers crossed for Thursday.
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Well done Boy ;D
Hope everything goes well oin Thursday and I am sure he must be a bit stressed :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Wait to hear some good news on Boy, Pav.
Fingers crossed and everything else.
Mary :luck: :lick:
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Aww, fingers crossed he continues to do well. If it is cystitis by stress, they can give the 2 week ab jab, so you might not have to give him tabs.
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How's he doing Pav?
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Thankyou,Boy is fine, had his injection yesterday and i told Caroline about spraying but she didnt think its a problem. I dont mind, the other day i ordered lots of s.soloution so i keep cleaning the place and he does it only in one place , good Boy ;D
Tonight i have to give him the second leukeran tablet and basicly he is going to be taking steroid and the leukeran for rest of his days.
I also have to take him every 4 weeks for blood test.
I also spoke to Caroline about when the time comes for Boy to go, since she doesnt do home visit in our area and i am really concerned after what happened with DD and i dont want him to go through that since the vets in this surgery are not keen to handel him,and Caroline said at times like this she travels every where and she doesnt mind.
And we are going to take every day as it comes and make the most of the time we have together. :hug:
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I am glad he is fine right now. Hopefully this will continue for a long long time to come and how wonderful of Caroline to say she will be there for him when his time finally comes. Big hug to BOY for doing so well :hug:
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I have just read this whole thread through (I don't get on here huge amounts) and it's absolutely heartbreaking. I really feel for you both - what a horrible experience.
I don't really know what to say - I can't really offer advice and there are others far more knowledgeable than me on this board. I just want you to know that my thoughts are with you and BOY and I hope that you and he will find some use and respite with the meds.
Hug to you and gentle headrub for BOY.
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BIG BIG MASSIVE HUGS to you both Pav. Boy is gonna have the best life ever with you - long me he reign. :Flowers: :ahh: :lick:
:L: :U: :V: :U: :B: :O: :Y: :Luv2:
Mary
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I think that is just great news Pav and hope that you and Boy have loads of quality time together :hug: :hug:
Ummmmmmmm Pav, could we have a picture of Boy please ;D ;D
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Aww, I do hope the tablets buy him lots of quality time.
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I think that is just great news Pav and hope that you and Boy have loads of quality time together :hug: :hug:
Ummmmmmmm Pav, could we have a picture of Boy please ;D ;D
Gill, Thankyou.
Boy picture is next to Phoebe in my signature, thats when he was healthy and very much over weight! I will post a new picture soon, once i take my camera to work .
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Is he the black one or the black and white Pav?
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Boy is the black cat full of long fur and a big purr pot.
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He is gorgeous ;D but hadnt seen before cos have signatures swithced off :shify:
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BOY I think I am in love. He is beautiful and not a million miles different from my black Dragan either. Wonderful and so is Phoebe too
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:hug: thnking of you both, hope you are both well today :hug:
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:hug: thnking of you both, hope you are both well today :hug:
Me too. Hows it going, Pav?
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How's BOY doing Pav? Well and happy I hope
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Thankyou every one, i was telling my neighbour earlier that its Boy's second week on Leukeran and steroid and touch wood he hasnt been sick at all :), so i must say he is doing well and i am so pleased because he has been through so much that he deserves to have some good time , even if is for short time . He is booked for 13th February for his blood test and they have to monitor this cos its light chemo , the only thing i cant understand is why he doesnt use the tray at all for his wee, he use it for his poo but then walk to the same place which he used to spray and wee there and eventhough i wash it everyday with simple soloution and clean it he goes back and do it ? I know Caroline said its not a problem him spraying cos he's done it before and i dont mind to clean it everyday but its a bit odd!!
But have to say Boy is a happy Boy at the moment , :thanks: :hug: :hug:
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So glad to hear the Boy is feeling a bit better, he so deserves to feel well. Hugs to you both xxx
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Glad to hear he is doing so well Pav. What a lovely time for you both right now. Perhaps a second tray might help? I was reading the other day that some cats like to poo on one tray and wee on another!
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There are more than one tray in the flat, Boy and Phoebe have seperate trays and there is an extra one aswell just in case!May be there are toomany :naughty: But he never used to do this before unless its the presence of Flyn the ginger cat which has moved in with my neighbour which is upsetting him, but to be honest i dont mind i am just happy that he is not getting sick the rest we can deal with. :)
How is Dragon, and have they told you when you getting the blood test result? :hug:
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I am so pleased that Boy is doing well and thats so much better than he was ;D ;D
I wouldnt mind cleaning up after him either cos he has been through so much and if he is happy and able to eat wothout being sick that is a wonderful miricle . ;D
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Dragan is a hero (see separate thread), doing fine at present, vet just said results should be back by Thursday. I know what you mean about not minding the cleaning up! Probably is the neighbouring cat upsetting poor BOY.
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Aww, glad to hear he is doing well - could you put a tray where he is weeing?
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How's he doing Pav? Well I hope
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How's he doing Pav? Well I hope
Oh sweetie Boy is ok ,taking his med but now he is weeing every where not only the same place he did every day but every corner in the flat?!!! The smell is so strong i dont know what to do any more?
But no worries about Boy.
Are you ok? I sent you a PM this evening! my number is there if you need to talk, i know how you feeling with Dragon not being there after 17 years, how hard it must be for you..xxx
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Pav, if his wee is smelling, you need to speak to Caroline, the only reason I knew Pebbles had a UTI was strong smelling wee (she still used the tray though), so it can be a sign of infection, as can spraying.
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Hi Desley, i think the smell is simply cos he is weeing every where and even though i am using simple soloution to clean and wipe but since he is not using the tray it smells :-: I dont think its infection but i will ask Caroline.
I think something is upseting Boy or may be is cos he is not well??! The smell is not pleasent and i am trying so hard to keep where he wees clean and i even put extra tray where he wee as you said but then he does it some where else??
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Clapton's wee smells strong now - I think it's either the Fortekor or the CRF causing it. I have to completely change the tray every other day. It reminds me of human wee after you have had asparagus (sorry but no other way to explain it :-[ )
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Medication can make it smell strong and I hope he is Ok . Spraying every where is not good though and sorta sounds like he is upset.
Have you tryed cleaning all the areas down with a biological washing powder before using the simple solution and then maybe using a felaway dispenser to see if that helps him to calm down.
I am sure that Caroline will give you the best advice :hug: :hug:
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Thank you Mark! I really like the way you described it. :rofl:
Gill, when ever Boy sprayed before i used to wash it with biological powder and then spray surgical spirit and it really helped but since i got the s.soloution i thought is no need for that but thanks i will start with bio powder and then the rest, atleast he doesnt do it on the carpet which is good! Well my sunday is sorted now moving things around and more cleaning ;D
I used to have felaway dispenser in the bedroom for Phoebe , for the first few months and i think it helped. I get some more tomorrow from the vet. Thankyou so much Gill for the advice. :hug:
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Pav, you can't tell Mark that, we'll be getting more and more LOVELY descriptive smells!! I WAS going to have chicken and asparagus pie for lunch!! :naughty: :rofl:
Mary
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I had asparagus in Wagamama yesterday so the smell was fresh (if that's the right word) in my mind :evillaugh:
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Pav
Has Caroline tested Boys urine recently to rule out diabetes ?
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I had asparagus in Wagamama yesterday so the smell was fresh (if that's the right word) in my mind :evillaugh:[/color]
Sorry to go off the topic a bit BUT Mark, what the chuff is Wagamama! I dread to think what the answer's gonna be. :evillaugh: :rofl:
Mary
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Pav
Has Caroline tested Boys urine recently to rule out diabetes ?
Hi Teresa, No cos he started the steroid and the Leukeran only 2 weeks ago, so he has to go in once a month for blood test and she told me to buy some Katkor so i can take the sample here at home and take it to them, do you think i should ask them to do it now? Boy next appointment is 13th Feb. Thanks
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I had asparagus in Wagamama yesterday so the smell was fresh (if that's the right word) in my mind :evillaugh:[/color]
Sorry to go off the topic a bit BUT Mark, what the chuff is Wagamama! I dread to think what the answer's gonna be. :evillaugh: :rofl:
Mary
No worries. Its just a restaurant.
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I love Wagamama :Luv2:
http://www.wagamama.com/locations.php
Ginger Chicken Udon :drool;
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I suspect but dont know that the leukeran can produce all sorts of weird results at the beginning and Caroline would know about these and whether Teresas thought is a possibility, and whether it is too early to test.
Question for those with cats with diabetes and Teresa, do they tend to spray like Boy is and do they say get caught short cos a human could.
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Phew!!! Thanks Pav, what a relief!!
Ta for the website Mark - Locations say there's one in Leeds, not too far from me, I'll have to try ot out next time I go shoppping in Leeds.
OK, now back to the subject :naughty: :hug:- How is BOY?
Mary
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Pav
I merely wondered about poss diabetes because of suspected Pancreatic tumour and also the spraying, I have known several formerly clean cats begin to wet outside of tray and spray as a result of undetected diabetes, just thought it may explain the spraying.
Sending lots of positive vibes to you :hug:
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hope you are both well :hug:
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Hi Pav
Just popping in to see how you and Boy are doing, hope all is well with you both xxx
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Thats very interesting T, I knew about UTI's, but never knew diabetes could cause spraying.
Hope Boy is OK Pav.
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Yes Pav, I have to admit I am a bit worried as not heard any update on BOY for a while. Hope he is well and you of course
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Yes, thankyou every one. I am sorry i havent updated on Boy. Am working long hours now and with hospital appointments and my own back problem , just :tired:. Also had to take Phoebe back to the vet for her tooth and chin problems and last night she got sick and it was hairball but the colour was like when blood is mixed with water really pink blood and now i dont know if its to do with removing her tooth or not?
Boy is doing fine , taking his med and going back on 13th of Feb for more tests and still not using the tray , i dont know if its related to diabetes?
He uses the tray do his poo and then straight away goes and wee some where else and just staires at me!!!
Chrissie, how are you feeling your self ? :hug: :hug:
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Glad he is doing well even though he is peeing. Sorry about Phoebe and hope she is ok. Sorry too that you are working long hours as well as having to cope with the stress of sickness in your furbabies. I am feeling a lot better since I brought Dragan's ashes home thanks Pav. Will def phone you
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Time for an update on BOY methinks Pav. Hope he's doing ok, Phoebe too
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Hi Chrissie. Boy started being sick again since yesterday , after having his breakfast :(
This morning i hadto leave early for work and couldnt wait for him to finish his food but when got back ,i saw vomit all over my bed, so have to start changing the bed in few minutes :tired: But i have to say since few days a go his tummy feels really hard and swellin!
I am going to see how it goes for next few days if he carry on getting sick then have to take him back before his appointment on 13th.
Thanks for asking . :hug:
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Aww, poor Boy, I do hope he bounces back soon.
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Aww, poor Boy, I do hope he bounces back soon.
Ditto..... :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both! x
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Poor thing, I so hope he improves Pav
:hug: for Pav
:hug: for BOY
:hug: for Phoebe
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I am so sorry that Boy is not well again and you are having to work long hours :hug: :hug:
I will keep all my thoughts positive for Boy and home it was just a temporary hiccup. I reckon if Phoebe had just had a tooth out then yes the blood may have come from that, either by her swallowing some or the cavetity maybe leaked when the furball came up. Hope she is now OK :hug:
Please dont mention changing beds cos my dirty little birman men maybe laughin, cos they forever dumping furballs on mine, the last one was on the pillow and I was seriously unamused :Crazy: :Crazy:
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Just to say :hug: to BOY and you, Pav. Try to find some relaxing time to yourself even though you are working so hard :Luv:
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Sending lots of love and hugs to you all :Luv:
Hoping that he starts to improve really quickly :Luv:
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How's he doing Pav?
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Boy is not doing well at all :(
He started being sick from early hours this morning and he has bad diarrhoea. I didnt want to leave him on his own so i went to work at 7, and just did few things and am back home again but have to go back in few hours, so i am going to see how it goes.
Boy has been sneezing a lot aswell so i am wondering if he caught something , Caroline told me that i have to watch him for first few weeks cos of his medicationeffect his immune system.
So i am not sure what to do, do i take him to the vet this evening or just watch him at home, i dont really think they can do anything else for Boy , and i dont want to stress him by putting him through more tests.
Thankyou every one. :hug: :hug:
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So sorry Pav, I can understand your dilemma about not wanting to put him through any more stress, but obviously wanting to make him feel better, sending positive vibes for you and Boy :hug:
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I'm sorry Pav. Why don't you ring the vet and see what they suggest? Keep us posted, am thinking about you all x
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I'm so sorry. My worry would be he gets dehydrated if he's vomiting and with diarrhoea? I hope you can sort him out asap. all the best.
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Pav think I would give Caroline a call and see what she thinks.
Big hugs to you both.
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Oh Pav, Im so sorry to hear that Boy is being sick again.
Sending positive healing vibes for the brave Boy and love and Hugs for you - thinking of you both xxx
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Sending loads of positive vibes your way :hug:
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sending :hug: your way, i know how you must be feeling.
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:hug: from me too, Pav
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Thinking of BOY and yourself...... :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou every one :hug:
Teresa i did call Caroline but she is away on holiday and the other vet which knows him is away on holiday aswell! I started feeding Boy in very small portions again and i put his food in blender and added some water so its easy to digest and also help him not to get dehyderated, i came back home at 4 , gave him his food and went back to work , got back around 8 tonight and he hasnt been sick but he still has diarrhoea?
I see how it goes tonight if he doesnt get sick after his next meal then i keep feeding him every few hours in small portions and see how it goes?
My other cat Jim had intestine cancer and had the same signs but cos he had so many other problems they didnt realize till the last day when they operated on him.
Boy is having his medicines and if i feel he is ehyderated then i will take him to the emergency vets. :hug: :hug:
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Oh Pav, what a difficult time for you and Boy. Stay strong and make sure you keep up the cuddles. I am sure Boy prefers those more than anything else. Continuing to send you all my positive thoughts.
Take care. xxx
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So sorry I hadnt seen this before, I hope that Boy has stopped being sick and that the small portions work. :hug:
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Thankyou Claire, Boy still loves his cuddles and purrs for England :)
Yes Gill last time the small portions worked but he didnt have diarrhoea! Well i am helping my neighbour with Flynn the cat who adopted her to go to the vet in the morning so i can ask them if there is anything i can give Boy to stop the diarrhoea .
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Hope you get a good answer from the vet tomorrow :hug:
How is Flynn?
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Thankyou Gill.
Flynn , bless him. I call him trouble :evillaugh: He insist to go in to every ones house and chases all the cats but is a sweetheart. I had a very interesting call from the rescue centre after more than 3 weeks since i left the last message for them they called today and left a message saying that they would like to have Flynn back in the rescue cos he has a heart problem and he needs his medication for that :Crazy: :Crazy:
They never told me that in December when i told them he has been around for weeks and they took thier time to find out wherethe owner was and e verything else and its been almost 9 weeks since his owner went to hospital , Flynn file is in that rescue but no one bothered to check and today the rehoming officer think is best to have him in a cabin in rescue cos he needs medication for his heart and she also said that the owner will feel beter knowing he is taking it, apparently the daughter was told to leave the medicine in the food out side for him?? but shame the owner didnt bother to make sure he is looked after or ask some one to call the rescue and inform them when he went to hospital!! >:(
Sorry but this message made me >:( today and thats why i am helping my neighbour to take Flynn to the vet to check him, not sure how it works cos we dont know much about his past but if they check the chip then i have no idea what will happen?? Lets see if we can help the little guy. :Luv:
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Bless you Pav for helping Flinn. I so hope BOY is keeping his food down and his diarrhoea stops. I know you will keep us posted. x
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i hope you can find something to sort out Boy's diarrhea - bland food such as chicken is normally good. Good luck with Flynn too
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Hi every one i know this is not the place to write about Flynn, but since i posted here last night i thought some of you might remember his story i posted in December.
My neighbour needs some advice please, we took Flynn to the vet this morning but since he has not any recomendation from another vet and we couldnt say much about him, of course the vet checked for microchip and of course we told him what happened with him, i know in December i was told that my neighbour has to cross the bridge when it comes to all the questions and now the vet told her that by low the owner should know where he is and agree and even though he hasntbeen looked after well thats something else to mention to rescue, basicly he said he is going to inform the microchip company and we should call RSPCA branch which Flynn originally is from and if they want him back there are no way my neighbour can have him, she is so upset now that she has to return him, his story is under my local rescue, if any one can advise her , would be nice. Thankyou. :hug:
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what are her lying skills like? I would be inclined to play dumb and say I found it starving and so have cared for it, and then if the owner does claim it, seek a reward from him ... But then I am a cynical cold cow at times. As you said, you tried your best but fate has caught up with you. It seems that he is doomed to go back to his owner. At least he knows his way to yours now ...
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Well b/c i am useless in lying and she %100 against it but the Rspca wants him back now to look after him till the owners come back from hospital and recover completely so it means Flynn ends up in a cabin for months :( and i know that they wont agree if she foster him cos she has no garden. I guess we have to take him back next week, i have to admit i did lie by telling them i havent seen him for a while :innocent:
But the vet also said he can give her a letter saying he thinks he hasnt been looked after proper cos he has problem with his back leg and is also overweight which is not good for his leg. sigh..
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i have to agree, lying is not one of my strong points I have to say ... :(
I do think a letter from the vet is useful, but sadly if he is chipped then there is proof of ownership and trying to keep him when the 'powers' are after you is a good way of getting into major legal problems. I would give in gracefully and, if he turns up in similar condition again, then document his condition thoroughly (photos, weight, coat condition etc) so you can present a stronger argument. Something you will be in no position to do if you fight it this time...
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My friend who is a Solicitor says that no one can claim ownership of cats in law
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Not sure how true that is though, as cats are classed as personal property under law. Wonder how legal it really is. Pavvy, if you want I'll be happy to stand up and say he was pathetic when he first made his way to you :sneaky: What a horror that you may have to give him back. The man doesn't deserve Flynn.
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I know that when i adopted from mayhew home before , i had to sign some papers and it says that they have the right to take the cat back, i am not sure what the vet said about the owner has the right is true or not ? But the sad thing is poor Flynn was in the street with no one knowing that his owner is in hospital and the owner not responsible enough to get some one to look after him specially if he needs medication for his heart, if it wasnt for me calling them everyday they wouldnt know and now i feel bad that my neighbour took him in and she says she really love him and sadly the Rspca has the power to take him back and put him in a cabin and for sure he is going to get depress after having his freedom :( I am thinking if some one reasonable in the rescue was handeling this they would consider my neighbourto foster him but this girl is so unexperienced when i asked her why the owner didnt ask some one to let you know he is in hospital she said i dont know and it took her every time few weeks just to get back tome but as i think b/c is right is best to take him back, i am so sure once the owner comes back and take Flynn back he will come back again cos he is so happy here and well looked after. Thanks every one foe the support.
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Sorry one more thing once the vet inform the chip company are they going to contact the owner or the rescue? Does any one know?
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I'm not sure how that works. Esther's chip is registered to both me and the vet and also to the rescue, so if she was scanned, I would expect they would contact me first, but could also possible contact the rescue? I know the papers I signed gave the Rescue repossession rights so if that is the case with Flynn then perhaps the rescue will do that, given the well-documented circumstances ...
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Oh this is terrible and that rspca branch are crazy.
I know we have had discussions before , especially on Cat Chat about the law of ownership of a cat and thought that if a cat had a chip then whoever it is registered to is the owner.
BC I would be very unhappy to have more than one person being registered as the owner of my cat, I own my cats, nobody else.
Sorry Pav I dont know the way round this but the rescue acted inappropriately when Flynn first arrived with you and looks to me they are just covering themselves now but in the wrong way. Who is Flynn registered to on the chip?
Why is the owner in hospital and is it likeley he will be able to take the cat on when/if he comes home. I would have thought that your neighbour should have some rights to the cat now cos the owner made no provision for the cat and did not bother to tell the RSPCA he was in hospital and nobody was caring for it.
I would have though it would constitute cruelty by the RSPCA to have the Flynn locked in a pen for an indefinate period when he now has a new home, and how long are they gonna have him taking up a pen from another cat?
I would suggest that this all needs to be put in a letter to the shelter and some specific questions asked and answered. It could also be said that the current owner is taking legal advice on this as she took on a stray cat that nobody wanted and that they, the RSPCA, would not take any action for x weeks, by which time the cat would have starved to death. This sounds like a cruelty case against the RSPCA!
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How about abandonment by the owner who is in hospital due to failure to provide adequate care for Flynn?
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is BOY any better today Pav?
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Hi Chrissie , Boy hasnt been sick today but i am concern about the way his belly looks bloated and feels really hard, i am thinking it might be the tumor growing, he also doesnt like me to touch it any more ! So i am thinking maybe its sore.
we are going to the vet on wednesday so i see what Caroline can do .
Gill,i know Flynn first owner has died so his chip must be registered to his second owner who is in hospital now and i was told even we he gets home he is not fit to look after Flynn thats why they want to keep him till the owner is well enough!! The only arrangement the owner made when he was taken to hospital was for his neighbour and daughter to come and leave for him and when i asked the officer in Mayhew yesterday why didnt he ask some one to inform you specially if he needs medication for his heart, she said she doesnt know >:(
I really dont understand thier logic , there is a cat here looked after by some one and they still want to take him and put him in a cabin which they can use for needy cats but they dont want to know, i am going to go there next week before taking Flynn back and see if i can speak to her supervisor and convince her is best if they allow my neighbour to foster him instead of putting him in a cabin for months,and remind them that he was in the street for 3+ weeks before anyone realized that and then it took thier officer another week to find ot where the owner is? but this people once they decide something its hard to change thier mind.Finger crossed for Flynn and my neighbour. :)
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I am so sorry to hear about Boy cos it sounds like he is maybe sore or in pain, but I am sure that Caroline will be able to give you a better idea and the best advice :hug: :hug:
I agree with you taotally about Flynn and hope that you can get them to reconsider.
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You really seem to be going through it at the moment Pav :hug:
Lets hope Boy is OK and they Lynn your friend foster Flynn - things are hard enough as it is without officious idiots making things harder >:(
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I know it's a long shot Pav but Dragan's belly used to get hard and sore when he had wind.
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Thankx Chrissie but i think is more than that, today i was looking at some picci's i took few weeks back and if you see my signiture photo of Boy , it shows he is not well :( He doesnt look his best cos he was shaved 3 times by different vets for his ultrasound but he has lost so much weight and dont look healthy.
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:hug: it's certainly a different Boy to when you first got him Pav, even once he picked up weight. I know it's hard for you to see him this way and you are going through a really tough time. Just hang in there. Give him a big cuddle from Auntie Roof xx
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Poor little mite you must be so worried. I am here if you need me Pav xxx
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How's our special BOY this morning Pav? Better I hope
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Aww, I am sorry things aren't looking good, I do hope Caroline can give him something.
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Hi , Chrissie, Boy was fine yesterday but a while a go i heard him being sick again so i came down and stayed with him , cleaned everything and comforted him . He went back to sleep on my bed now but i cant sleep anymore i guess is the stress. I was thinking to drive to regents park and go for a walk, used to do that long time a go, but still dark outside, so i guess i make some tea and watch the news ! I so much looked forward to this weekend to stay in bed :-:
Thanks Desley , i hope Caroline can do something on wednesday to help Boy. :hug:
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Ah Pav at least he had some respite from being sick. Take your tea back to bed? I too hope Caroline can help him on Wed. Good luck
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:hug: from us, Pav
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:hug: to you and Boy
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Hope the last 24 hours have been better for you & Boy.
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Thanks, but sadly not :( Boy wasnt interested in his food all day and thats not like him at all, i even cooked him some fresh salmon but he didnt want to know . An hour ago i opened some fresh food and sat with him and brushed him so he started purring and had some but shortly after he got sick.This doesnt look good and i know he hasnt got long.Cant stop crying and i know i have to ,we have meeting in the morning and i had only 2 hours sleep last night but cant make my self to go to bed cos i keep thinking what about if Caroline cant do anything on wednesday.
Oh i thought i have prepared my self for when the time comes.I better go and stay with him for now.
Thankx everyone . :hug:
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Oh Pav hun how awful for you and BOY.....I lost a cat to cancer over a year and half ago and although you do know when the time is close it is still terribly hard to comprehend.... :hug: :hug:
Thinking of you both! :Luv: :Luv:
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I am so sorry to hear things aren't sounding good Pav - it doesn't matter how much notice we get, it isn't any easier to accept. We are all here for you. xx
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Pav my heart is aching for you and BOY. Nothing can prepare us for losing them. You are both in my prayers and I am here if you need to talk. God bless the both of you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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We're all here honey. xx
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Sorry Pav - I just hope he can rally again :hug:
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so sorry, we are never prepared even tho we know it will come, i thought i was,but no i wasn't!
:hug:to you, thinking of you.
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I'm keeping everything crossed here :hug: :hug:
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I'm so sorry. I know you are spending as much time with him as you can and giving him so much love and I'm sure he loves that and takes great comfort from it. Nothing's going to make you feel better, but we are all here and pulling for you and Boy :hug:
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Thankuo every one :hug: I am just back home and free till 2 so i stay with Boy and then when coming back this evening i am going to get him more salmon and see if he takes it,he just went out and sleeping in the little house which is for feral cat i think he wants to be on his own!
I will call Caroline this evening just to update her with everything and see what she think is best to do, cos on wednesday he is due for blood test for diabeties and B12 injection but she might think he needs ultrasound ?
I do hope all the poorly cats feel better , it hasnt been a good start this year for so many here and i havent kept up with so many treads but i do feel for the people who have unwell cats. :hug: :hug:
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I am glad he has eaten a little more Pav. Maybe he wants to enjoy the nice weather? Poor BOY he has had such a rotten time, as have you and yes you are right it has been a lousy year so far for poorly pets. Here's hoping things will take a turn for the better for all of them and please continue to keep us posted about the lovely BOY xx
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ANy update Pav?
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I am thinking of you and Boy and hope that all goes well tomorrow, this is such a hard time and we all understand how you must feel.
I think we all believe that we can cope and that if we could have just a bit more time it would be so wonderful, I so wish cats could tell us how they feel so we could make the right decisions for them.
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Thinking of you and BOY today. :hug:
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me too. I hope Boy's not too bad today and that the B12 injection perks him up a bit :hug:
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I thought it was tomorrow BOY was going for his B12? How is he anyway Pav. Better I hope and hope you are not feeling the strain too much
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Yes Chrissie, it is tomorrow Boy is going to vets.
Boy was sick this morning but since he had some food and he is fine, so i just have to see what Caroline think is best to do for Boy and i go with that, i dont want him to suffer or go through any pain.I want her to see his tummy and feels it and if she thinks we can give Boy his medication and go on with the treatment of course i am happy to do so and if she says is best to let him go then we do whats best for Boy.
I am praying that as she said before, he still has months to go but at the same time the RVC vet told me Boy will have 6 to 8 weeks and taht was in December, i just have to wait and see what happens tomorrow but i have to say i do whats best for Boy,i trust Caroline's decision.
I guess its going to be a long night for me. :hug: :thanks:
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Pavi what time is the appointment tomorrow?
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I will be thinking of you and Boy all day and hoping :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Pav I hope it's good news tomorrow but I know that you will do what is right for the brave BOY. I will be thinking of you and so will everyone else on this board who I know are all behind BOY. Best of luck and fingers crossed. Let's go for the power of positive thinking and there will be a lot of power from the wonderful Purrs family. Big big hugs to you and BOY.
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Will be thinking of you too.
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and so will i!!
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Hoping for the best for Boy & You, Pav :hug:
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Pavi what time is the appointment tomorrow?
9 am Ruth.
Thankyou every one.xxxx
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You are in my thoughts today Pav
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Just checking in before you leave home. Good luck with Caroline today x
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Good luck :hug:
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Hi everyone, just got back home with BOY :)
Caroline had to sedate him to take his blood, i told her about him being sick almost every day and also his tummy, she examined him and said she think his tummy is fine , he is taking Felimazole for his thyroid and that can make them sick, also i have to put him back on diet food which i explained to her , he refuses to eat the D/D venison so she gave me the I/d pouches to try. She thinks he is doing fine for now and he has put on weight which is good cos he lost a lot of weight very quick when he got sick.
He was given B12 injection and more leukeran and prednisolone tablets for next 4 weeks, whch he has to go back again. His blood result will be back in few days and i guess i have to learn to stop panicing every time he gets sick and take every day as it comes.
Thankyou every one for being here for Boy and me,and all the kind words and advises. :hug: :hug:
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that all sounds very positive and I hope he continues to do well and enjoys his nosh. And the sun while it lasts ;D. You aren't panicking (any more than any of us do), it's just utterly normal for a doting cat mum who's little one isn't well and no need apologise for it! I'm every bit as 'guilty' as you are, so please just let us know how Boy is doing and his results.
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Glad your vet visit went well, and that he's managed to put some weight back on which is great news ;D
We all worry ourselves silly when our babes our poorly, I think it comes with the territory, and shows what doting slaves we are :hug:
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Really happy to hear that Pav. Wonderful news. Save him a cuddle from me. And one for you xx Its Pippa's birthday today, get my sister to give you a cuddle from Pipsqueak. xx
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Thankyou Clare.
Ruth i didnt know its Pipa's birthday ;D Her meomy didnt tell us this morning when we saw her! Cant believe she is one :wow:
Happy birthday to Pipa and her brothers. :hug:x
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Check your email honey. Sis sent you a fab little presentation all about the celebration. We'll have a little celebration on the weekend. One to celebrate Boy being home and another to toast the little witch who terrorises Flynn.
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:wow: Pipa has such a talented meomy. :Luv: The little cake. :Luv2:
I take it that she is NOT inviting Flynn and all the cats in neighbourhood for her birthday party :evillaugh:
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I should post it up, its so cute. Just missing music now. I think Flynn is far too distinguished a gentleman to be bothered by the little rascal. I love that he just blinks at her while she throws herself at the window by your front door. :evillaugh:
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Pav I have pm'd you but am so very happy that the news was positive about BOY. Please don't think you are worrying too much, it is something we all do and I can well remember the anxiety with Dragan. So so pleased for you both. Way to go BOY :hug: :hug:
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Lots of love and hugs to you both! so glad he is doing really well :Luv:
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Fantastic news for both BOY and yourself! :wow: :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou sooo much, the only problem is since we came home i opened a pouch of i/d for him and he is not eating eat,i even started giving Pheobe the same food so Boy doesnt go beging her for hers , she ate it all but he is not having it :-:
Thats what he did with his D/D food for almost 2 days he refused to eat it and i gave in, but this time i am not going to,well i try not to!
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Probably upset at the vet visit Pav.
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I am so pleased BOY is doing well and has put on weight :hug:
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So glad that Boy has put on weight and is doing well :hug: for you both :hug: xxx
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Oh this made me smile and am so pleased that Caroline thinks he is doing well.
We all worry and you are the same as us, devoted to your most loved furbies and worried when things do not seem right. Boy knows he has a most devoted and loving meowmy, even if you are gonna be mean and make him eat that food :rofl: :rofl:
Take each day as it comes and give Boy a stroke from me :hug: :hug:
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Just had a call from Caroline, she said she has some of the blood results and she is on her way home so she thought she let me know, she said Boy red cells has droped and he is anaemic, she said we have to monitor him cos it can get worse and is not because of medication is simply cos of lymphoma :(. She also said the white cells not low and they area bit higher than normal ? I didnt get the chance to ask her is this good or bad cos her mobile was cutting off and she was concern that he hasnt had the new food yet, she said he must eat other wise he will get weak and we dont want that but on the other hand due to inflammation in his guts he shouldnt have rich foods!!! I asked if i should buy different flavours and she said not many choices in prescription food... :-: I guess Boy being well didntlast long. I am going to get some sleep cant think anymore. Good night every one. :hug: :hug:
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Ah Pav I am so sorry. Just when you were starting to feel ok about BOY again. When Dragan's white cells were very very very high the vet said it could indicate malignancy so maybe that is why BOY's are high. They do go up if there is infection too. Will he tolerate RC Sensitive? Dragan adored the chicken and rice one when he would look at nothing else.
I did call you and left a message on your answerphone Ring me when you feel able to chat and there must be something that will help him with his anaemia.
Big hugs to you both :hug: :hug:
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Take it one day at a time honey, maybe cook him some bland chicken or something, its not rich and might just get him interested in his food? What about some pilchards in tomato sauce? Helen once said that used to help her Tiggy start eating?
Sleep well tonight, just take it easy for now. :hug:
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I am so sorry to hear this Pav, just when you thought he was doing well.
I dont want to go against any advice you are given but surely he has to eat something and anything is better than nothing, irrespective of anything else. He will not be happy if he is hungry and I know that that makes my stomach very sensitive. Does he like fish, cos some steamed/poached fish my be good too.
Pilchards sound a bit rich to me and if his stomach is very sensitive or sore the tomato sauce will not help I think.
I can appreciate that he needs meds but eating is part of a quality of life and if he wont eat prescription food then he needs the next best food that he will eat.
I am so sorry about poor Boy and you must be so upset with the current news :hug: :hug: :hug:
I wish there was some way I could help.
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I agree with everything Gilly says Pav.....even if it means adding a little of what he likes to the special food! ;) He needs his strength... :hug: :hug:
Has the vet said its an absolute must to only feed him that? I know in an ideal world they would take what is on offer.....I would maybe have a word with the vet and ask if there would be a gentle substitute...
"Thinking of you both" :hug:
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Aww, I am sorry that he isn't eating, it is a tricky one, as he needs to eat to keep up his strength, but if he has inflamed guts, giving him rich foods could make him feel worse. I agree with trying RC Sensitivity on him. I dont know if anaemia makes them feel like not eating. It is such a shame there is such a restriction in flavours on prescription food. Fingers crossed you can find something he will eat.
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I agree with everything Gilly says Pav.....even if it means adding a little of what he likes to the special food! ;) He needs his strength... :hug: :hug:
Has the vet said its an absolute must to only feed him that? I know in an ideal world they would take what is on offer.....I would maybe have a word with the vet and ask if there would be a gentle substitute...
"Thinking of you both" :hug:
Hi,it was the RVC who put him on D/D diet and they words was the idea behind this diet is IBD is an overpopulating of the gut with white blood cells that in part are stimulated to be there by an allergic reaction to the food passing through. Venison will be completely new sorce of food so its unlikely that he will have developed any kind of hypersensivity to it , so limiting the inflammatory reaction in his intestines and they said he should solely be fed on this and nothing else not even a treat!! To start he had it for few weeks and then he went off and Gill i agree with you thats why i gave him other foods but now Caroline is saying one off the reasons or him being sick is the rich food so i have to see when i go hoe today if he had any?If not then i will cook some salmon thats the only thing he eats except cat food!
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I'm so sorry about the latest problems with Boy, just when you were feeling more positive. The RC sensitivity pouches may help with his IBD and maybe they are a bit high in phosphorus but they aren't rich or greasy and possibly better than nothing?? (Hills i/d might work too, although the new stuff's mincy?). There's a section on the felinecrf.org site about anaemia, which def makes them listless. You can get vitamin supplements with iron in them (Visorbin) which is the gentlest treatment. How bad is the anaemia? They stop producing EPO (the stuff the cyclists cheat with) and there's an intramuscular injection of it (steroids), but I gather that treatment is a bit drastic & not a good idea unless there really is no alternative.
Really hope Boy picks up soon....such a battle isn't it when they have multiple and sometimes conflicting problems. :hug:
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Pav how is he this morning? The RC Sensitive were great for Dragan, he wolfed them and they never caused him any probs whatsoever. Quite bland the vet said but very palatable. Might be worth a try at least to get his appetite going again? Poor little fella he is having such a rough time as are you. :hug: :hug:
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I'm so sorry about the latest problems with Boy, just when you were feeling more positive. The RC sensitivity pouches may help with his IBD and maybe they are a bit high in phosphorus but they aren't rich or greasy and possibly better than nothing?? (Hills i/d might work too, although the new stuff's mincy?). There's a section on the felinecrf.org site about anaemia, which def makes them listless. You can get vitamin supplements with iron in them (Visorbin) which is the gentlest treatment. How bad is the anaemia? They stop producing EPO (the stuff the cyclists cheat with) and there's an intramuscular injection of it (steroids), but I gather that treatment is a bit drastic & not a good idea unless there really is no alternative.
Really hope Boy picks up soon....such a battle isn't it when they have multiple and sometimes conflicting problems. :hug:
Thankyou so much for the information , i will ask Caroline if i can put him on Visorbin?She said his anaemia is mild but we have to monitor him and also if he start feeling weak or not well i have to call her other wise she said in 4 weeks once he has blood test we see if its worse or not?I dont know why she didnt mention vitamins or anything but he is taking steroid and other medications now so that could be the reason?
I was given RC sensitivity s/o last year for jim but he wouldnt have it and i tried with Boy cos i had the box and he didnt want to know,only recently i sent them to some one to use for the poorly cats .
I went home this afternoon and on my way got some i/d prescription dry food for Boy and left it for him and also i mixed tiny bit of cooked salmon i bought ready with his new food to see if he shows any interest, i am going to see when i get home later if he had some.Thankyou x
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I do hope that Boy has eaten today :hug:
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I hope he has eaten today as well.
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:hug: to BOY from us
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Boy had dry i/d feline, but now he is got really bad diarrhoea.!! I dont think the i/d prescription food is too rich, maybe cos its new food, but i know is not enough for him just to have dry food . I am going to stop in the vets tomorrow and buy few different flavour of i/d and see if likes any.
I know he is not very well cos i tried the da birdy and for the first time he is not interested, but he is drinking water which is good and his tummy might get use to the i/d dry food by tomorrow.
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I do hope so Pav, I am sure its hard for him cos of all the meds and then changing food. He prob is very hungry and ate too much too quick.........I hope maybe thats the case :hug:
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Ah poor BOY Hope it is just the food.
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Fingers crossed that he take's to the new food and his bottom end dries up! :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed for him - if his tum gets used to the dry i/d, he will be fine on it as long as he is drinking enough.
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Pav, this must be taking an awful toll on you, one minute good news, the next bad :scared:
I just hope things settle for a little while & you & Boy can share some quality time together.
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How's the BOY doing Pav?
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Boy was sick again this morning but not much since he didnt eat much yesterday, he still has bad diarrheoa. Today he started eating the i/d pouch but small amount cos he is hungry and i am not putting anything else down for him, i feel really bad but i want to see if it makes a difference.
I know now that one reason for him being sick is the thyroid tab but i have to see if the i/d pouch and dry food is making a dfference in how much he throw up or not?
Its so hard now cos i am not sure if its tab or food but i think his diarrheoa caused by new food...
Chrissie to be honest i dont know whats right to do , but trying. :hug: :thanks:
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Well I think you are doing the right thing Pav, you are being guided by Caroline and she thinks he is doing ok so he probably is. I think when we are emotionally involved we always think the worst, I know I did with Dragan and find myself starting to do it with Charlie. So long as he seems happy then he still has a quality of life. Hope he is ok today , give him a big :hug: from me and Charlie x
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How is BOY today Pav?
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Thankx Chrissie, for last two days he hasnt been sick :).x
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how is his tail end ;)
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Great news Pav, fingers crossed it continues x
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That is sounding good then Pav
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how is his tail end ;)
Not so good Gill, thank heaven for baby wipes.!! He is not eating the i/d pouch and just eating the dry i/d and normal food but hasnt been sick for 3 days, so i think is mainly the Felimazole which making him sick and the rich food doesnt help, in last 2 months that his been having the medications his had really few bad weeks and then it just gets better and back again to being sick , my poor Boy. But on good days we make the most of it, well we try.xxx
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Let's hope he has more good days than bad ones Pav
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Hope BOY is feeling well today Pav, you too
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How is it all going, Pav?
:hug: to BOY and to you
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Christine, thankyou for asking about Boy, touch wood he hasnt been sick since last week and i am so greatfull for that.
Boy has been having his dry i/d and normal food in very small portions and often, i know it wont last for long but for now he is having a good week and with having cancer i guess we have to take every day as it comes! Thats what i keep telling my self . :)
I just want to say thankyou to every one , it means a lot to have people who care. :thanks: :hug:
Chrissie, thankx for being here for us. :hug: Hope Charlie is doing well after his jabs, so pleased he has a nice mummy like you.x
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Thats really great news ;D
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That's fantastic Pav. Well done BOY hope you continue to do well. :hug: :hug:
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How's your Boy today? :hug:
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i am so pleased to hear he is having a good week.
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Hope the lovely BOY is still keeping his food down Pav.
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I hope so too! :Luv:
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Thank you but no Boy started being sick again yesterday morning, thats why i have been looking to see if i could get some Natures Menu for him to try,now i have some so i will see if he likes them and , then see how it goes. He doesnt have much energy but that must be cos he is anaemic?
W eare going back to Caroline in two weeks.
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Sorry to hear that BOY has been being sick again, Pav.
I hope he likes the Natures Menu: if he enjoys sloppy food, mixing cooled boiled water into it to make a slushy stew worked well for Blip earlier and might help if BOY just wants small amounts?
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Be careful with the Natures Menu Pav, this is what caused Charlie to have sickness and the runs. Please let us know how BOY gets on though
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I would also be careful with it, as it can cause upset tums if cats aren't used to it. Does he like chicken and tuna?
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Ooops thankyou for telling me about upset tummy, yes i tried the chicken&Turkey and as Christina said mixed it with warm water and both Pheobe and Boy liked it, so now i have to watch them and see how it goes?
I havent tried ck,tuna and salmon yet!
But why it causes upset tums If they are not use to it! Is it too rich?
Boy is better with his diarrhoea , so hope it doesnt make him worse and as for Pheobe i see by tomorrow if she get runs :-:
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Yes it is very rich but it depends of course what food he is used to.
I hope Boy and Pheobe will be fine with it and maybe in small meals it will be OK :hug: :hug:
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Everything seem's to be settling down now...Im so pleased for you both! :hug: :hug:
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How did BOY and Phoebe get on, Pav?
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Glad it doesn't seem to have caused them much problems. Mine were fine on it (but they are used to a mix of catfood anyway), but I had a fsoter that pinched it and it made her poorly
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Thank you. Boy and Pheobe are both fine today no problem with thier tumys :) I am going to start them with just one pouch each every day till they get use to it.
They are used to mix selection as well so the Nature Menu might not cause any problem, i see how it goes for next few days . :thanks:
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Oh that is good news ;D
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Brilliant news Pav, I am so pleased for you all
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Thats fantastic news :hug: glad to hear things are improving. Look after yourself too :hug:
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Just wondering how BOY is doing Pav?
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Boy has got a really bad diarrhoea again, i dont know if its to the with Natures Menu ? But tbh i dont think so , cos he had diarrhoea recently and then got better and started again, the smell was
so bad that it woke me up this morning at 4 and i sleep upstairs and he used the tray down in the kitchen :sick: Sorry ! I am thinking it must be the medication. I noticed that i can see his skin between the fur and he is getting bald patches on his back leg, so i am going to call Caroline tomorrow cos she is in the surgery and ask if the Chemo is having this effect on him ? She told me the dose on his chemo is very low and he wont have the side effect as human do?
Sadly he still has very little energy and i am begining to think i can see whats happening to him outside but dont know how he is feeling inside and may be what i am putting him through is not fare? :(.
I am not sure if iam making sense but i always said i am against chemo for my cats,but they told me the other med will not work without the Leukeran!
Its just so hard to decide whats right ? :thanks:
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I am so sorry Pav. Its so hard to know what is the best thing to do but I think at the end of the day , the quality of life is important for Boy. :hug: :hug:
You know Boy the best and whether you think that this medicine is helping him or doing the reverse, I dont know what prognosis and time that Caroline has given Boy but my thought is that you must ask her to be honest with you on this. If she isnt then you cannot make a thoughtful decision.
This is the hardest time of all for all cat slaves and most of us do not handle it well at all as we all would like an extra day, week or month with our special friend.
I hope and am sure that Caroline will be honest with you and help you to make what ever decision is best for Boy.
I have been constantly thinking about you and Boy and I hope that your chat with Caroline will go well :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Oh Pav I am sorry. It could be the NM - it did give Charlie dreadful smelly diarrhoea. It could also be his pancreas. I think you will know what is the right thing to do when the time is right to do and I think you have to be guided by Caroline. I do hope things improve for BOY he has had such a dreadful time (as have you) and I am here for you should you need me. Try and be strong as you have been all along. :hug: :hug:
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:hug: Sweetie. I only just saw this.
You know that Caroline will be honest with you. If she sees hope she lets you make that decision for yourself, though she will never encourage letting any of her charges have a difficult or painful quality of life if she knows there is no hope at all and they might be in pain and suffering. Up til now she's been pretty straight with you. As Chrissie says, it could be the NM. Stelly had a stinky runny poo when I had her on that initially, it could just be the higher meat content his belly is adjusting to. Is he a bit more like himself despite the runny tummy?
Get as much info tomorrow as you need. Ask Caroline to give you a benchmark for what Boy might be experiencing. She's been a vet for 20 years, she's got enough experience to at the very least let you know what his chances are.
I wish you didn't have to go through all this :hug:
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I am so sorry things aren't looking good, I would be tempted to change his food to make sure it isn't that, and I hope Caroline will be open with you, I ask my vet what she would do, and at first she was reluctant, but she is now open with me, so if Caroline is a bit reluctant at first, do push for an answer, you need to know all the options to decide if you are being fair or not. It is such an awful place to be in, but I know you will do the best by Boy. Keeping you both in my thoughts.
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:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Boy
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Good luck when you speak to Caroline Pav. x
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Thinking of BOY and yourself! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thinking of you both too! :hug:
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Any news Pav?
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Hope everything is OK :hug:
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Thankyou every one, basicly i was told the same thing , what is making Boy sick is Felimazole and the rich food :( Not much i can do about his medication and the food he is not having the D/D or i/d wet and now i have tried the Natures Menu i dont think is working for him so i dont know what other food to try ? Boy doesnt like RC Sensitivity S/O aswell :-:
She is still concern about his anaemia, but said its best to wait till his next appointment in 2 weeks to do the blood test and other tests if needed and the dose for Leukeran should stay as it is.
I just try to do my best for Boy , i know it must be hard for Boy not knowing why he is having all this tablets 3-4 times a day and getting sick, but Caroline thinks he is doing well and he still may have months or even a year to live. :wish:
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It must be so hard for our little ones, you are right :hug:
But a big cuddle from me to BOY
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I am pleased that Caroline thinks he is doing well :hug: :hug:
So its the food that needs sorting out then............I am sure that there will be loads of suggestions but I am not up on all the foods cos use felix pouches.
Presumably it needs to be one of the more basic foods , one that is not so rich but tasty so he will eat it?
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:hug: from me too. Got your message and will touch base on Saturday. Give the big man a hug from me, a tentative one for Phoebe. Its good news that Caroline feels he has more time than we all thought. PAH on Saturday so you're welcome to come with me honey to see the range of food they have on offer? They have loads and you can have someone with you to go through all the ingredients so you don't lose your mind! :hug:
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Pav
I am so pleased that the news is better than expected. :hug: from me and a huge :hug: from Anastasia.
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Well that's good news Pav. You must feel glad about that. I suppose now it is just a question of finding a good food that BOY can tolerate. It's such a shame he doesn't like the RC Sensitive. I don't know what to suggest but I am sure that's a good idea to take yourself off to PAH with Ruth and both have a good furtle. x
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Caroline thinks he is doing well and he still may have months or even a year to live. :wish:
Fantastic news....its awful when it seems so up and down all the time...... :hug: :hug: :hug:
Sending positive vibes to relieve the stress! ~~~~~~~~~ ;)
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Glad she is more positive - have you tried both the chicken and the duck RC pouches? If not, I can send you a duck one. My vet gave me a sample of some sensitivity dry when Tiger had her poorly tummy last year, I think it might have been Hills rather than RC though. Does Boy like dry food? JWB is hypo-allergenic
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Good luck on the food search, sending hugs to both of you :hug:
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Glad she is more positive - have you tried both the chicken and the duck RC pouches? If not, I can send you a duck one. My vet gave me a sample of some sensitivity dry when Tiger had her poorly tummy last year, I think it might have been Hills rather than RC though. Does Boy like dry food? JWB is hypo-allergenic
Hi Desley, i havent tried the Duck one but i really dont think he eats it, i went to the vet today and got Science Plan for him in 3 different flavours, came back home and he doesnt want to know.
Yes he loves dry food and he is having the i/d one , . Have never tried JWB, but i will get some for him. Thankyou.x
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Pav I think you can get free samples of JWB if you go on their website. Saves buying it if BOY wont eat it. You might also try Oscars, they have a website too (it's dry food). Have you tried slightly warming the Sensitive?
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Thankyou Chrissie, iwill try that. Boy is eating his dry i/d so i dont think i need to get any more dry for him, its the wet food i am trying to find one that not too rich and he eats. ;D
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What wet food is he used to eating Pav?
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So glad to hear some good news on your special Boy, NM gives all of my furbabies the runs, it seems to be really rich.
Nutro is a very good dry food and is all natural ingredients
:hug: for you and double :hug: :hug: for Boy xxx
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No suggestions to make, I'm afraid, but just wanted to say that I'm desperately trying to stop the runs that Jonty still has after eating NM. Thought I was doing the best for him and ended up giving him mega problems!! Tried SEB without success.
Sending lots of :hug: to you and Boy.
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Boy used to have differnt foods, basicly it was Whiskas, shiba and some times Gourmet Terrine, and he never had any problem in last seven years but when he got sick in November the first vet put him on RC which he refused to eat and the when Caroline saw him first time she said not to give him Whiskas cos too much salt so i stoped that and he likes tasty foods thats why he refuses all the diet foods and i have tried every thing .
Yesterday i tried all 3 science plan flavours, didnt even look at them and then when i was out with Mr Tramp , he jumped on bed and cleared Phoebe's food which was shiba and this morning he has diarrhoea again :-: Oh i tried Applaws aswell, dont like it.
I stoped NM cos it gave poor Phoebe runs.
:thanks: Every one .
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Maybe try Sheba in small quantirys at a time, I think maybe the problem might be getting the stomach settled again after NM,,,,,,,,,,just a thought.
I hope his poor tummy settles quick :hug:
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Gill, i think i do small portions in normal foods from now on, its no point of getting new foods every day , not only he doesnt like them also keep changing them upset his tumy more. The main thing is he does drink enough water and i guess with lymphoma and inflammation in his intestines and pancreatic tumour any kind of food except what the RVC prescript, its going to be too rich.
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i agree pav and think its better he eats stuff that he likes and doesnt upset him ;D
sorry hanging onto franta who is being a pest :rofl:
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i do hope you can find something he will like, I would try chicken if he will eat it to help settle his tummy. Do you want me to send you a pouch of the Duck RC Wet?
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How is BOY today Pav and Phoebe too. I PM'd you.
Chrissie
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Hope Boy is Ok :hug:
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Pav I know you wont be on the net much over the next few weeks but would you post an update on BOY when you can please?
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Chrissie thankyou for asking about BOY, he is doing fine at the moment on small portions and hasnt been sick since last week :)
We are going to see Caroline next wednesday for his blood test and his B12 injection and once we get the results i will post and update, but for now Boy is doing well and its so nice to see him not getting sick.
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Thats stunning news Pav ;D
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Brilliant Pav hope BOY keeps it up. Good luck with Caroline and look forward to hearing a positive update. You take care of yourself too and don't overdo it. Did Mr Tramp turn up again?
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for now Boy is doing well and its so nice to see him not getting sick.
That is joyous news, Pav :Luv: Good for Boy!
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Glad to hear he is doing well Pav :hug:
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So pleased to read a positive update, good luck for Wed.
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That is such good news :hug:
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Fantastic news! ;D
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So pleased for you thats brill news :Luv:
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Its lovely to hear that Boy is doing well, brilliant news xxx
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Good luck tomorrow with BOY Pav :hug:
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Good luck tomorrow. the B12 should do nicely for a bit -how often does Boy have it? hope the news continues to be nothing but positive :hug:
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Hope all goes well tomorrow for Boy cos he seems to bre going through a good spell at present :hug:
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Good luck tomorrow. the B12 should do nicely for a bit -how often does Boy have it? hope the news continues to be nothing but positive :hug:
Thankyou every one.
Boy has the B12 injections once a month. For the first month he had the injections every week but then i was told once a month should be enough.
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Great news, Pav :hug: and a big hug from me to Boy :Luv:
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How did BOY get on yesterday Pav?
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Thanks Chrissie, it went well. Caroline didnt do the blood test she said her concern is diabetes but at the same time the blood test can be negative now and then a week later he becomes diabetic so is best to watch him and if he starts drinking lots of water then i have to call her straight away, she said she will do the blood next month, the only think is Boy has put on too much weight and that is because of the steroids!So she reduced the dose from 2 a day to 1 1/2 a day and said he need to loose the weight . Other than that he had his B12 injection and we are going back 23rd of April.
Hopefully he will be able to loose some weight by then . :thanks: :hug:
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God bless him Pav, glad he is doing well. Why does she think diabetes?
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How is he Pav? Also Phoebe and Mr Tramp and you?
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Yes hoping all is good at your end Pav? :hug:
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Hi Chrissie, thanks Boy is fine since his last visit to vets , hasnt been sick :), had to take Phoebe back on wednesday since she still rubs her side of the face to all the corners of table and window handels and all sorts but she does it so hard that it leaves blood marks :( and still scratches her self really bad so i thought i like Caroline to see her since the other vets gave her steroid and antibiotic injections and extract her tooth and she still not well, well Caroline had more x-rays done and she think its traped nerves from her broken jaws, she came to me from mayhew with it and still hasnt healed! She also thinks her behavior is caused by discomfort and pain from traped nerves so she decided to put Phoebe on Xanax, Metacam and Clomicalm and see if they make any difference in scratching her self and rubing her face and being so nerveous , she also gave me Synulox for her but said since its too many medication if she doesnt take the Synulox its fine, the only thing the tablets make her drowsy and its like having her under light sedatives but its for 2 weeks only and then i haveto take her back , she said they really cant treat a traped nerve , there is still small fracture in her jaws but if they put the screw it might make it worse :Crazy: Since yesterday she has been very calm and just purring she hasnt attacked me or Boy :evillaugh: i dont know is cos she is drowsy or she is in less pain? For next two weeks i have to make sure she takes her tablets in the morning in her food before i leave for work just in case Boy doesnt go and eat her food and then start with Boy tablets :shify:
Mr Tramp is ok , still has really bad coat last week i ordered a Mat Breaker for him , i read it in Kylies tread , Gillian suggested it and i thought it might help MrTramp but he doesnt come out frpm under the car so i cant reach him :(
I havent been posting much cos i am working long hours and just dont get the time , but i will try to catch up on sunday and monday , hope every one and their furry friends are well, and thankyou for asking about Boy . :hug:
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Well Pav I am pleased to hear about BOY, sorry to hear about Phoebe and hope her meds help and also hope you can manage to de matt Mr Tramp! Take care of yourself with all these long hours you are working. :hug:
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so pleased that boy is doing well and so sad aboput phoebe, i do hope the meds help her :hug:
i reckon mr tramp has decided its better under the caravan than outside at themoment and probably dematting should wait till it gets a bit warmer? poor boy i wish he would trust enough to come in out of the cold.
take care of yourself and dont work too lng cos when you get too tired it makes you vunerable to bugs and stuff :hug:
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Aww, glad Boy is seeming better, and I hope the meds work for Phoebe. Also, good luck with MR Tramp.
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Hope BOY is still doing good, also Phoebe and Mr Tramp and you of course Pav.
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Hoping that all of your babies are ok, lots of lov and :hug: from my babies too xxx
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Dropping in with :hug: and good wishes, Pav :Luv:
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Thankyou so much every one Boy is doing ok! But Phoebe is not responding well to all the medication :( She was fine till yesterday and was taking all the tablets with tiny bit of row chicken and i noticed she had a bit of diarrhoea, which is unusuall for her and this morning she just refused to eat ! I think she tasted the tablets yesterday in the ck and every time i try to feed her she refues to eat cos of the tablets in the food , so i had to stop every thing even the metacam :-: I dont know the reason for her diarrhoea but i think is to do with all the meds. I will call Caroline tomorrow to let her know since the Synulox and other tablets havent made any different in her condition she still scratch and rub her face and leave blood marks :( So I am not sure if this new treatment is working.....sigh
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Glad BOY is doing well and sorry to hear about Phoebe. Hope you can get it sorted. What about you Pav how are you and Mr Tramp?
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pleased to hear that boy is doing well and hope that caroline can come up with something better for phoebe :hug:
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Thankyou Gill, Boy started having diarrhoea from early hours and now there is blood in it, its the first time that its blood in his poo so i am not sure if it has anything to do with lumphoma ? I have already spoken to Carolin this morning about Phoebe and she said Synulox some times causes diarrhoea and she said to stop it and she should be back to normal in few days, well she stoped taking them anyway :-:, she said she thinks Phoebe conditon is some thing that she has to live with it but still i will call her next wednesday when she is in surgery to discuss this with her, now i have to watch Boy and see if he get worse :( :(
Thankyou Chrissie, i am ok and sadly MR Tramp hasnt ben around for days now, i do worry for him specially with this weather but its happened before that he doesnt come for few days and the i see his little face out side waiting so i am hoping that he is ok, but thanks for asking about him. :hug: :hug:
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Aww, fingers crossed for the pair of them Pav. And I hope Mr Tramp comes round soon
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Oh Pav I am sorry. I hope things sort themselves out and I too hope Mr Tramp turns up soon. You take care of yourself
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Oh Pav I am sorry. I hope things sort themselves out and I too hope Mr Tramp turns up soon. You take care of yourself
Ditto from me :hug:
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Oh I do hope Mr Tramp is OK, cos its been so cold :hug:
If its the synalux causing the problem then maybe the other stuff can still be used for Phoebe, I do hope that Boy and Phoebe will be OK :hug:
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Sorry you and your babies are going through so much Pav. Hopefully Caroline will find the right meds :hug:
Also hope Mr Tramp turns up soon :hug:
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Same wishes from me that everyone else has sent :hug: :hug: :hug:
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How's everyone Pav? Good I hope
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Thinking of you Pav, huggles for Boy and Phoebe xxx
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Anyone heard from Pav? I know she said she was working long hours for a few weeks and was due to go into hospital in April. Hope she is ok.
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Hi Chrissie,
sorry , have been really sick with flu :sick: The Amoxicillin started to work now and geting my voice back. ;D
Thankx for your concern :hug: :hug: My hospital app is in 10 days time so still around and Boy is been ok , he has good and bad days and is due to see Caroline on 23rd for his blood test and the rest.
Thankyou. :hug: :hug:
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Glad to hear both BOY and yourself are feeling fine....Good luck for your hospital app and the same for BOY's next vet visit! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So pleased that Boy is doing well and you must look after yourself too :hug:
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Glad things ok with BOY and yourself Pav, you take care :hug:
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Aww, hope you are all feeling better soon.
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How's the tribe Pav. Hope Mr Tramp reappeared. Is it tomorrow your hospital appointment? If so good luck.
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Hi Chrissie , Boy has got very upset tumy but i think is to do with the food ! I got some Purina ONE rich in ck and Oats and a new food almo nature for him to try and now he has really bad runs :( not a good idea .
Mr Tramp is back but not eating well at all and not letting me close to him , he behaves as he doesnt know me , dont know whats wrong with him :( :(
Thanks but my appointment is next week. :) :hug: :hug:
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So sorry that Boy has upset tummy and maybe these very rich foods are not a good idea. Wondered why you tried to change his food cos I thought he had stabalized food wise, with little meals often of what he was eating?
Hope you are able to get him stabalized again :hug:
Maybe Mr Tramp has been scared by someone and now he is not trusting anyone, not just you. I hope that he gets some trust of you back but it does sound that he really could do with a vet check, which I guess is impossible. Mr Tramp maybe just very old and starting to lose some of his memory. So hard to know :(
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:hug: :hug: :hug: to you all! :)
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I am sorry BOY's tummy is upset Pav. I did this a few times with Dragan trying to get some good food into him but maybe it's just best to stick with what he can handle? I do hope Mr Tramp is ok and isn't ill, bless him. Well good luck for next week sorry I got the date wrong. :hug:
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I might be speaking out of turn here, Pavvy forgive me, but I think the reason that Pav tries different foods is that Boy goes off foods quickly. What he might like this week he won't eat next?
I hope he starts to feel better soon honey. I got the cat feeder back, thanks, sorry that he was afraid of it :hug: I'm hoping to be round Sunday so will pop in to see you if you're there to give the big man a cuddle. And Phoebe of course :hug:
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Aww, fingers crossed for all of them.
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Thanks Ruth :), yes Boy does go off his food but at the same time i am trying to find him some thing healthy cos he is been putting on a little bit too much weight on cos of the steroids, and dieting with Boy does not work so i thought i start some thing different but i wont know till i try and now i know this one like NM dont work for him and back to the old diets.
Chrissie its true when you have sick cats you just try to get good things for them hoping it helps them , as you know . No worries about the date, every thing will be fine :hug: When are you going for your holiday ;)
Ruth i am sure he would love cuddles from you, not too sure about Phoebe though :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
Gill, i am not sure if MR Tramp has problem with his memory, i just think may be the time he didnt come which was almost 2 weeks, may be some thing happend to scare him and thats why he is behaving strange he comes not interested in much food , eats a bit and then just sit under the car and looks at me but if i get close he moves back!!! He might be injured but i cant get close enough and you are right visit to the vets not possible. :(
Thakyou every one. :hug: :hug:
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I know its so hard when they go off their food and Kocka was like this, I ended up with a better display of cat food than a supermarket :rofl: :rofl:
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Pav how are things with BOY and Phoebe and Mr Tramp? Also did things go ok at the hospital for you>?
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How are you all Pav?
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Hi Chrissie,
Thanks for asking about Boy :hug: We went to see Caroline few weeks ago and after the test results were back Caroline decided to change his thyroid tablet from orange one to pink which is weaker so in that respect he is doing ok but sadly he is putting on so much weight which is really not good for him and she think is cos of prednisolone(Steroid tab) so she said to cut them from 2 a day to 1 1/2 and then 1 after a month and gradually to one every other day and she said i have to understand that this is going to effect his treatment but at the same time putting on so much weight is not healthy so end of the day is best carry on with less medication and see how it goes But he still takes his chemo tablets twice a week, she also told me since he is not eating his diet food D/D Venison, then i should give him the food that he doesnt like so he eats less!!!
I do understand that steroid gives him a big appetite but i dont understand the logic of giving him a food that he doesnt like in order to make him eat less :Crazy: I think he will still be hungry so? Its just so hard to do the right thing with lymphoma and IBD which means the right food going through his system makes a difference but he is not having it.
His next appointment is in July, i do hope we see some change in his weight and see how every thing goes.
Thankx :hug:
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I do hope that Boy stops putting on too much weight but I wouldnt give him food he doesnt like cos he needs a quality of life and am sure with all his meds his food is very important to him. :hug: :hug:
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Thanks Gill :hug:
Yes i do believe in quality of life as well , but at the same time i do feel bad that she has to cut his medication in order for him to not put any more weight on, but as mentioned a while ago there is no cure for Boy so i do try to keep him happy and give him the best i can , he does get all the love and attention and care but he does love his food and i dont think its right to take that away from him. Bless him , he is just a big teddey bear, he has the loudest purr and gets louder if he sees a brush or bowl of food or a hand to stroke him:) When i take him to vets even though he is covered with a towel the nurses recognize his purr . I have to say one thing that really upset me last time was i aske d not to sedate him for blood test but since he attacked a vet the very first night in that surgery he has a bad reputation so they decided to put a muzzle on him and that was really upsetting cos he couldnt understand why and then two nurse came to hold him and i said to them if they only let me hold him but they said no , thats when i was standing there thinking is this right? Well i have to say we do what we think is best for them cos we love them and i do hope they understand we mean well. :hug: :hug:
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Oh poor Boy.......I have never heard of a cat being muzzled, doesnt sound right to me :(
Why not sedate him , surely it doesnt take much for a blood test. They shouldnt be scared of cats cos thats their job and they should know how to handle them.
I know Sasa bit the new vet she saw when she was ill before Christmas and they sedated her to have xrays and be examined properly, she only bit him cos he hurt her when he was trying to find out where she was hurt......I know she hasnt got Boys health probs and prob they need more sedation for xrays. I turned away and she jumped off the table but they allowed me to get her back into her box before sedation and she wouldnt hurt me but is just scared of people.
I also heard my vet after he had been bitten by a cat and he said it was all in a days work and he is so good with Sasa.
I bet Boy sounds great with his purring ;D
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I know Gill, it was first time for me aswell to see a muzzle on cat and i dont know if i should say funny or sad enough the nurse didnt put it right on Boy so not only they realized he couldnt breath but then it was the vet which couldnt take the blood cos it wasnt done proper :scared:, it was me who told them i dont want him to be sedated cos the time before he didnt have a good reaction to it once they reversed it but i really dont think for blood test you need sedation specially with a cat like Boy , if its Phoebe i undersatand cos i have to sedate her at home before even picking her up and that is cos i dont want her to heart her self not because of me getiing attacked but sadley in December when Caroline took Boy for the first time to this new surgery it was an emergency and she was fine at home with him but when she left him there over night the vet was attacked by him and Boy has a history of being kicked and badly treated by his very first owner which was a guy >:( :( Thats why when i adopted him 8 years ago was told he needs a home with no men , no kid, no other dogs or cats, he is fine now with all creatures big or small :) but i think first night in the vet he was scared and the vet which was a guy approached him and scared Boy so Boy attacked him and since then he has a bad reputation in that place,i do think if you are a vet you should expect things like this but he was really upset and told me Boy was aggresive but i told him he was scared, so basicly no one likes to handle Boy even he has the biggest purr :Luv: That is what i really miss about my old vet but sadly his surgery made the mistake and started the whole thing.
Yes Gill for x rays i always had my cats sedated and my old vet use to wear this big gloves to handle Phoebe , like gardeners gloves :evillaugh: and Sasa and Phoebeare a bit similar except Sasa dont heart you but Phoebe does me ;) except i realised if she is really scared in vets she freeze?
Any how i will never allow a muzzle on my cats again , that was the first and last time and i am glad i was there toseeit, it makes me wonder though what happenes when they take them away and we are not there to see if they are sedated or wrapped in a towel or muzzled :(
Thankx to every one again for being here for Boy and me . :hug:
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Aww, poor Boy, I do hope you can find something that will help his weight - might be worth trying him on Senior food, as that is lower in calories, and I have had success with weight loss while cats here have had it (which is why my oldies dont get too much senior food, as they do lose weight, and Molly doesn't need to lose that much weight)
My vet muzzled Pebbles once, we had both had a nasty bite off her though, and the vet wasn't sure if she was going to allow the treatment she needed, and she didn't want to have to hospitalise her, as she wasn't very nice when she was in for her amputation. It might be worth asking if your vet can use anasthetic gel on his neck in future, that is the only way they can get blood out of Molly, and it is nicer than a sedation, as they do have risks. Shame they can't realise he is such a nice cat though.
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:hug: Give the purrpot a cuddle from me hun. xx
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Poor BOY. I never knew a cat muzzled before either. It's a difficult one as we worry when they lose weight and we worry when they gain too much. Perhaps Desley's suggestion of senior food might help? Does he exercise much? I know when my daughter had to have steroids for a while she put on so much weight it made her unhappy. I hope you can find a happy medium for him.
Any news on Mr Tramp Pav?
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That is an awful picture in my mind "a cat with a muzzle on" :( Sending positive vibes to BOY and yourself~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Oh, :hug: Pav.
I dont have anything to add to what others have said but just wanted to wish BOY and you well :hug:
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I do hope this vet will learn , they should understand that what effectively is a domesticated wild animal will be scared. and I would be scare to if someone tried to do something to hurt me. Also the past history of the cat should be taken into account.
We try so hard to do what is right and it so upsets me when vets dont have the basic understanding about animals.
Lots of cuddles and strokes to the PurrBoy and to you Pav :hug: :hug: :hug:
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How are you all doing Pav? Did Mr Tramp come back?
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Hi Chrissie, Thankyou for asking, i will update about Boy and his condition after his visit to vets this wednesday, i am hoping that he hasnt put any more weight on since 5 weeks ago when his medication was reduced, i will only know when we go on wednesday for more blood test and everything else.
Sadly i havent seen Mr Tramp since 4 weeks ago , i remember cos when i was in vet 5 weeks ago i got Milbemax for him and managed to put in his food and watched him eating t and since then he came one more time and that was it, i just pray that he has a better place and some one whi is feeding him and hope that h visits again.
Phoebe is not well, and this morning when she came back from the garden her face is worse :( all around her eyes are red and very sore, it was the same last year at this time i think Ruth remembers i dont really know what else to do, 3 visits to vets every possible test done and every time they say some thing different, its an allergy but no one can tell me what kind or to what? She also has scabs and scratches her self so bad, i am going to try and see if i can sedate her and take her on Wednesday before taking Boy :tired: I feel so sad looking at her, they might give her steroid injection again but it doesnt last long.
I update once i know more.x Thankx
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Aww, poor Phoebe Pav - I wonder if it is some kind of hayfever type allergy, I know i have been bad today with mine. Fingers crossed for Wed.
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Sorry to hear about Phoebe Pav, hope the vet can sort something out to help her. I too hope Mr Tramp has found somewhere good and will visit you again to let you know he is all right. Looking forward to a positive update on BOY and you take care of yourself.
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So sorry to hear that Phoebe is having probs and hope that vet can find a way of helping her :hug:
I also hope that Mr Tramp has found a permanent home and is nice and safe and being looked after well.
Hope that Boy had not put on any more weight but the main thing is he is eating, happy and contented :hug:
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Just thought i share this, i went little while ago to put the food out for the foxes and saw this little face under the car , Mr Tramp is back and he was waiting :)
I really thought i will never see him again is been 7 weeks and in last few days they are 2 cats missing in our road, there are signs every where, and this evening i was teling a neighbour its odd that 2 cats are missing almost at the same time , i do wish i had a trap tonight cos he was starving and as soon i came back with fresh food he came out from under the car hissing at me and then started eating and just wouldnt stop i tried to touch him to see how is his coat but he kept spiting and eating, so i just sat there to make sure he doesnt get disturb , oh it made my day seeing him alive , his lost some weight but didnt look too bad i try in next few nights to see if i can get closer to check him. :Luv: Better go now have to wake up early to take Boy back to vets tomorrow.
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Yessssssss Mr Tramp is back ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe he got shut in somewhere or somebody tried to trap him but I feel so happy that he is back :hug: :hug:
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Awwww Pav, that is fantastic news, I'm over the moon that the little fella is okay :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Thanks Gill :hug: Me too, i had such a bad week and now seeing him made it all go away. Oh only if he would let me help him..sigh
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Pav, one of these days, I'm going to come over and we'll get the little monkey sorted ;) If I hadn't got to go to Manchester tomorrow, and my car had have been serviced, I would have set off tonight with my trap in tow :evillaugh:
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I havent been following this but I can see its been going on for a long time. I hope you and Boy are keeping fine. :hug:
I would put some wormers in Mr Tramps food, he will probibily have worms.
The stray I used to feed I put worming tablets in a small amount of food so I could tell if he had eaten them. I knew he would be back for more so I didnt feel guilty for only giving him a small amount the first time. ;)
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Thanks DD, I just wonder where does he go for so long ? THis is not the first time, few years ago he disappeared ! Well the main thing is his back now and on sunday is mayhew opening day so i am going to ask them if i can borrow their trap one more time and try to see if i can catch him :innocent:
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My car is being serviced the next few days, and I've got some running about next week and vet visits but if you want, I'll try and get over the week after for the day and we'll try and get him. What do ya reckon :Luv2:
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I havent been following this but I can see its been going on for a long time. I hope you and Boy are keeping fine. :hug:
I would put some wormers in Mr Tramps food, he will probibily have worms.
The stray I used to feed I put worming tablets in a small amount of food so I could tell if he had eaten them. I knew he would be back for more so I didnt feel guilty for only giving him a small amount the first time. ;)
Thanks, i do give him worming tablets he had his Milbemax, 7 weeks ago just before he disapears, and once or twice i managed to put some drop on him for fleas i know it dont help cos i dont know where he sleeps and if he has sores some times i manage to put antibiotic cream on , i even read few months ago about this brush which Gillian suggested to remove mated fair and i ordered it on line but he wont let me use it.x
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Awww Dawn, that is so sweet of you, as you dont have enough to do at the moment. :hug:
He does come late at nights , so you need more than a day,
But then you said in one of your posts you thinking of taking a week off :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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I'll come down late afternoon or early evening so that's not a problem, I would love to get this little man sorted and as I've said, I'm busy next week but the week after, I'll get something sorted :hug: :hug: I can class this as me time :evillaugh:
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Dawn, last year when you offered to help i said no cos i didnt want him to go any where, but TBH i dont want him to go through another cold and wet winter, because i know like last year every night that i feed him and come to my flat and see my little guys in a nice worm bed i will feel guilty that he has to stay out there in cold :(, and also he is geting old now so i well come any help, may be we can discuss this next week when you are little bit less busy. Thankx :hug: :hug:
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Okay hun, we'll have a chat next week sometime :hug: :hug:
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That's wonderful news Pav I am so glad he has come "home" to you. Little fella loves you in his own way. It would be great if Dawn could catch him and take him somewhere warm and safe.
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I Am glad he has come back Pav, and good luck with him. Hope everything goes well with Boy today.
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So glad Mr Tramp is back!!! Good luck also with BOY Pav! :Luv: :Luv: :hug:
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:yayyy: Pav that's wonderful news, so pleased Mr Tramp is back. :hug:
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Way to go Mr Tramp! So pleased he's back again :wow:
Good luck at the vets with BOY :Luv:
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Sorry Pav hadn't realised BOY was back at the vet today. Best of luck to him :hug:
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Thankyou every one. :hug: :hug:
Boy appointment was last wednesday but then some one parked their car right out side our drive so i couldnt get out >:( and had to cancell.
We are just back and Caroline decided not to do a blood test today , in last 7 weeks Boy has lost only 100 grams :-: so now he is 7 kilo and 340 grams, we thought by cutting down his steroids he might loose some weight but i told her it hasnt made any difference he still eats loads, so she said not to leave any food out during the day for him , which i am going to try and see how it goes, he wont be happy , but he needs to loose some weight.
Thankx again for all the well wishes.x
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A big :hug: to a rather large Boy this morning.
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Good that he is doing well Pav
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Glad he is doing well, sorry haven't been on for a while been doing loads of painting and it seems to be going on forever! just thought I'd have a quick look while on a break x
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Thankx Caroline :hug:
Boy is doing well but the idea of not leaving any food during theday didnt work, He got really upset not having food around and started weeing every where so i had to leave dry food out for him and he stoped :Crazy: I know he needs to loose weight but i dont want him to be unhappy since i know and was told last December he has only months, up to a year left :( I know the vet tells me what is best for Boy but i want him to be happy and have the best since the end in few months is inevitable . x
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I think that if he is happy and fatter then that is the best for him, terrible to have him upset and unhappy :hug: :hug:
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I would agree that keeping him happy is best, as getting upset will cause him to be stressed and that will make him poorlier. Good luck with him.
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Bless him, I think you are doing the right thing by him, happiness is important at this time. :hug:
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Ditto about the food issue....no point him being stressed! :hug: Obviously food is a big thing for BOY and if that is one of his pleasures then thats what he deserves! We all back you on that! ;) Please give him big hugs from me and mine Pav! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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How are they all doing Pav and you, of course
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Thanks Chrissie for asking, sadley Boy is not doing so well :'( Since his last visit to the vets and changing his feedind routine, not to put any food down and then changing it again cos he got upset and started weeing , he hasnt been well, in last 2 weeks he doesnt even get up in the morning for his breakfast and this is not like Boy ! He used to wake up and be ready before i leave the bed , but in last 2 weeks i come down get ready preapare Phoebe's food cos she eats in bed :) and he just dont come down any more :-: so i take the food to himmand tonight when i was telling my neighbour she reminded me that its been 9 months since his first diagnose and Caroline said he will have months even up to a year :'(
I really wish i wasnt told how long he has left then we could just carry on as normal !I went through this with DD and i was told she has around 4 weeks, and few days later she got really sick :'( and cos of the wrong timing and Xmas holiday everything went wrong with how she was put to sleep and now with Boy and thinking few more months to go, i am not sure what to expect every time he is not well!!
Well i am too emotional now so i update later for MR Tramp and rest of us. :hug:x Thankx
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I am so sorry Pav but maybe he will take a turn better once he knows he can have food as normal.........I do hope so cos cats are creatures of habit and they like to keep to what they know and maybe he is still a bit confused :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I'm sorry Pav. I know that feeling of not knowing what to expect everytime they are off, I had it with Dragan the last year of his life. It's horrid. It could well be that BOY is reacting to the change in his feeding routine and maybe the hot weather is getting to him too. I hope those are the reasons. Big hug to you all
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Fingers crossed it is just the weather and change to his routine, rather than his illness Pav. Hugs and vibes for you.
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How's BOY doing now Pav? Also Phoebe and Mr Tramp and, of course, you
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How's BOY doing now Pav? Also Phoebe and Mr Tramp and, of course, you
Echo from me :Luv:
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Pav?
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Bit worried cos pmed Pav a couple of days ago and no answer......maybe she is just busy.
Hope all is alright cos wont be ack on Purrs for a couple of weeks after tonight
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I'll most likely see Pav this weekend so will get an update for everyone if Pav doesn't come online herself.
I won't be speaking out of turn here, knowing Pav as well as I do, to say that as her time with Boy gets shorter, Pav finds it difficult to post, especially if there is no change or if things have worsened. Loving Boy as much as Pav does it just breaks her heart to write. Rest assured that Pav will post as soon as she is up to it and I know that she appreciates everyone's thoughts. Work also tends to get busy so that could be a factor in her not being up to logging in and replying as she gets pretty tired so spends all her time with the babies at home.
I'll be in touch if Pav isn't by the weekend if there is an update.
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Loving Boy as much as Pav does it just breaks her heart to write.
I understand that only too well. :hug: for Pav and Boy
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Thankyou every one, i am really sorry i havent reply, i think Ruth said it all :hug: :thanks:
Thankyou Chrissie, Christine, Gill and Gillian and every one, i do find it difficult some times to write because when i look at Boy it breaks my heart and i just want to pretend everything is fine and treat him as normal then its easier to deal with everyday life, i did come on line last night very late to check on Mabel because i was worried about her and i did see Boys tread but i just couldnt update because like now the tears are just running down my face and tbh i am so tired and not well my self with my back and when i get stressed and tired my back gets worse and then i cant sleep and then comes mornings and i feel like zombies :innocent:
TBH Boy is still the same , some days he is ok and some he just seems as he has no energy and just doesnt show any interest in food or going out for his little walks, so i have been coming home everyday from work at lunch time to check him and bring him fresh food in the bedroom and
just spend little time and then i go back to work, he is due to see Caroline on 20th but i may call and take him next week instead, he just hate the blood test and he is due for one since he didnt have one last month :(
I will see what Caroline says after she gets the results and then we go from there.
Phoebe is doing not too bad, she still scracth herself really bad but her face is ok now and after one year now she has moved down stairs and uses the bedroom just for afternoon rest, bless her, she decided to move under the stairs where Boy some times sprays which surprised me so i had to move every thing around for her and now she has an IKEA fleec and a little empty box which she hides behind and then with her little face looks at me and Boy as she is playing hide and S, it just melts my heart and she loves going out really late at night when is nice and quiet out side around 1 or 2 am but there are people who bring their dogs out at that time and the dogs are not on lead, so i have to stay with her and watch her :Crazy:
And since my last post Mr Tramp has been here only twice, which i dont understand why he used to come every night almost same time and i really dont think he gets his food some where else because every time he is here he is starving and i cant work out what stopes him from coming every night!
:thanks: again every one for all your kind posts , it means a lot.x :hug: :hug:
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Great to hear from you and have replied to your PM...........Please take care and love to Boy and Phoebe :hug:
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Fingers crossed for everyone Pav. Take care of yourself
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Yes, look after yourself, Pav :hug:
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Good luck for you & Boy, Pav :hug:
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Pav, I am really sorry if you felt compelled to post when you didn't feel up to it. I do understand how you must be feeling and from now I will leave it to you to post when and if you have an update. However, please know that my thoughts are constantly with you, BOY, Phoebe and Mr Tramp.
Chrissie x
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Please send Boy some good vibes, i had to rush him to the vets this evening :( He was fine all day and spent most of the afternoon outside in his little house, came in and had some thing to eat and went to my bedroom. Around 6.30 i went upstairs to give him his chemo tablet and i noticed his ear and head is bend to the right, he got up to come towards me but lost his balance and couldnt stand it just didnt feel right i have never seen him like this before and the first thing came to my head was stroke.
I called the vet and asked them if they wait for me to take him in they close at 7, thank god i spoke to them earliear today about Phoebe so they said to take him, as soon as she saw him she said his eyeballs are going back and forth and she can see how his head tilts wayoff to one side. She said its VESTIBULAR SYNDROM :'( she wasnt his usuall vet so i told her about lymphoma and all his med and thyroid so she said it could bean inner ear infection or tumour, if its tumour and cancer the only way to find out is by MRI but she also said is no point of puting him through that and more tests because he already is having treatment for cancer, she said it was right thing to take him in .
She didnt rule out the stroke and said she is going to give him a steroid injection and antibiotic injection and wants to see him tomorrow and get his blood presure. I cant remember if she said its treatment for Vestibular syndrome or not every thing happened so quick but she said some times in cats it gets so bad that they loose all their balance and keep rolling :( some thing to do with the control center in the brain.
I better go now and stay with him he is in my bedroom,poor Boy he has been through so much in last 15 months :'( I'll monitor him tonight, its just so sad to see him falling to one side he is a big cat and its heart breaking ,please keep him in your thoughts. Thankx
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:( :hug: oh dear Pav, I'm really sorry I don't know what say other than every possible good wish going his way and hoping it is just ear infection :hug: please give poor dear Boy gentle hug from me :hug:
Pav, I have just Pm'd you I hadn't read this then :hug:
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Oh Pav, poor BOY sending loads and loads of positive vibes and hoping that it is an ear infection that can be cleared quickly :hug:
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Oh Pav....I am never good with words but just want you to know that i am thinking of you and Boy.
You have been such great support to me, I will send up a little prayer tonight for him.
sending lots and lots of love xxx
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I hope it is just an inner ear infection and that the antibiotics etc will sort Boy out. It must be scarey to watch him like that Pav, and be unable to help him. I wouldnt have thought it would come on so suddenly if it is was a tumour? Keeping everything crossed for him, and you :hug:
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Thanks every one.
Gillian, i really dont know whats happening? I just went and searched for Vestibular Syndrome but it doesnt say anything about tumour, i think because Boy has cancer the vet thought its possible to be tumour .
I went to sit in bedroom with him but he started hissing at me, i was shocked and confused, its so unlike him but he looked really scared and at the moment he cant stand so i am hopping the antibiotic injection helps. I put lots of small pillows around him so if he gets up and fall he doesnt hurt himself :( If any one has any advise please tell me. Thankx
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Oh poor Boy, he must be so bewildered by what is happening to him. This link here has some info, it seens that inner ear infection is a common cause - so if it is that, then the antibiotics and steroids will hopefully begin to work very soon - http://www.vetspecialists.co.uk/06_Animal_Welfare/Neurology_Facts/Vestibular_Syndrome.html . :hug:
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Oh Pav I am so sorry , it definately sounds like an ear problem which is what vestibular is and the eye movement is a clear sign of this.
I do hope that he can be helped and sending all the good wishes in the world to Boy :hug: :hug:
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Sending positive vibes to you both :hug:
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Sending lots of positive and healing vibes for Boy- hope he improves soon :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Sending tons of positive vibes for BOY~~~~~~hope he picks up soon! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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:hug: How is Boy this morning Pav?
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Sending tons and tons of healing vibes your way Pav, hope Boy is much improved today and that the injections have kicked in :hug:
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I am really sorry to hear Boy has had a bad turn Pav, and I hope that he is a lot better this morning. I have everything crossed for you, and you know where I am if you want to talk. xx
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Hope Boy is improving Pav, so sorry.
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Sorry I can't advise Pav but wishing Boy and you the best - I hope he improves and it isn't Vestibular Syndrome :hug:
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I went to sit in bedroom with him but he started hissing at me, i was shocked and confused, its so unlike him but he looked really scared and at the moment he cant stand so i am hopping the antibiotic injection helps. I put lots of small pillows around him so if he gets up and fall he doesnt hurt himself :( If any one has any advise please tell me. Thankx
Oh Pav, I dont like to hear that Boy is like that :'(
I really hope the anti injection makes him feel better really quickly xxxx
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Thankyou every one. :hug:
Boy started being sick last night around 1am and and then refused to eat, he did manage to make it to his tray but then lost his balance and fall in there so i cleaned him and closed the child gate in the bedroom so he could rest.
This morning he started being sick again and didnt want any food, so i called the vet and took him in, his own vet was there so he watched him walking for a while and was concerned about his eye sisght :( :( His head and ear still tilts to right side and after walking few steps he fall on his face.
The vetsaid its Vestibular Syndrom and is either to do with his middleear or brain,if its in middle ear then the x-tray will show some thing but if is in his brain then its MRI needed which he doesnt recomend, he thinks is more likely to be a tumour because of the Lymphoma and his condition but i asked him to do the x-tray just to see if he finds anything. Boy is going to stay there over night to get some fluid since he has stopped eating and he doesnt drink water so thats is to stop him getting dehydrated, then tomorrow they will do the x-tray .
The vet said he will give him anti nausea injection because for him right now is like feeling sea sick all the time and he doesnt know where is up or down or anything :'( Its very important for him to rest also he wants to see how he feels after 24 hours. I just have to wait and see what happens tomorrow, i pray he hasnt lost his eye sight, i asked the vet if he is n any pain because if he is i wont let him suffer but he said no its just like being sea sick all the time.I thought after being through every thing with Boy if anything happens i will be able to handle it , just didnt expect to feel like this. :(
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:hug: awww Pav, Boy was the first thing I thought of when I woke up this morning and the first thing I did was check fr any news, keeping everything crossed that things turn out ok, hugs to you both :hug:
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Hope the injection and the fluids do him some good :hug: :hug: :Luv2:
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Aw Pav....hope BOY improves... :Luv: :grouphug: x
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:hug: :hug:to you and BOY. I hope he settles and they can give him treatment. Will be thinking of you and checking for updates :hug:
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hope boy starts to feel better soon :hug:
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I dont think that the xray will show anything because if he does have an ear problem it will be a virus or an infection. Being sick is something that happens to those with a very bad balance problem if they are dizzy.
I do hope that the vet can help Boy and both of you are in my thoughts :hug: :hug:
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Sorry just caught up with this , Pav im so sorry Boy has taken a turn for the worst and really hope the vet can help him and fingers crossed its a virus or infection that can be treated, poor lamb hes been through so much, i will be thinking of you both :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed he can feel better with the fluids and that it is just an infection - there are cats on here who have beat Vestibular Syndrome
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Hope Boy is feeling better soon :get well:
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:hug: :hug: Thinking of you and hoping for good news today Pav xx
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Hope the lovely BOY is feeling better today:)
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Thankyou every one. :hug:
I called the vet at 4pm and they said Boy is much better, he hasnt been sick and started eating again :) The x-ray shows no disease in his middle ear, they told me is no known cause and it can happen again , the only way to find if a tumour is in brain is to do the MRI, but even there is one it may effect some where else the next time and there is no treatment except steroids which he already is on Prednisolone one every other day but the vet said to increase it to one every day for now and see how he gets on. His head still tilts to one side but not as bad as yesterday. I just have to bring him home and see what happens. The main thing is he is doing well for now. :Luv:
I am going to pick him up tomorrow morning when i drop Phoebe off , and thankyou again for all your support and good vibes. :hug: :hug:
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The main thing is he is doing well for now. :Luv:
I am going to pick him up tomorrow morning when i drop Phoebe off , and thankyou again for all your support and good vibes. :hug: :hug:
Fab news! Bet you cant wait to see him, hugs to you both! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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:hug: oh Pav I nearly daredn't read this but I am so pleased he's improved that is such good news, I bet you can't wait to fetch him home, give him a big hug from me tomorrow :hug:
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Glad he is seeming better, good luck with the increased steroids, and hope he doesn't get anymore
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Really pleased to hear this news -hope he continues to improve and it was nothing serious :hug: :hug:
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I am SO pleased to hear BOY is improving and bet you can't wait to have him home. Good luck with Phoebe tomorrow and how is Mr Tramp doing? :hug:
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Such a relief for you Pav - hope it doesn't come back. :Luv2: :hug:
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Good luck with Phoebe tomorrow and how is Mr Tramp doing? :hug:
Thanks .
Sadly i havent seen Mr Tramp for last few weeks, i think whats been happening is that the foxes come really early these days and take everything so he comes and there is nothing for him . I do topup the food few times but there are just so many of them around!
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Wonder if you could put the food up higher Pav.....some on the floor for the foxes not to go hungry though? ;)
Is BOY home with you now? :hug:
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There is only a short wall between our house and next door , and the foxes can jump on the wall. Also Mr Tramp always stays under the cars and wait for his food, so i leave the food under the car. There is also the neighbours they are not happy with me feeding cats or foxes or even birds cos it attrack the pigeons, so i have to consider them :innocent:
Thanks, Boy is at home with me. I picked him up this morning when i droped Phoebe off but i watched him all afternoon and his head still tilts to one side, i dont like to see him like this :( When i went to pick Phoebe i saw his vet and asked him if he is going to get better or not? He said tbh i have seen this in dogs only but never in a cat, he said he treats 2 or 3 dogs a year with this condition and usually they recover after a while but with Boy he doesnt know the cause and is best to give him two or three weeks and see how it goes :scared: I just dont know what else to do, i guess i just have to wait and see.
I will update on him if there is any changes. :thanks:
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Fingers crossed he improves soon Pav.
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Sniffy neighbours! I hope Mr T comes back, he came to rely on you for his food, naughty foxes. Hope too that BOY's condition improves, at least he is home with you now, How did Phoebe get on?
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Silly me I was waiting for you to come on here Pav to post, didn't realise you did earlier I was busy and not on here this afternoon :doh:
Glad that Boy is back home with you :) I can understand your worries about the head tilt but I can say that Schui's was like that for a very long time before it got worse and Boy's is probably not what Schui's was and may go so try not to get too worried :hug:
Hope Mr T is back with you as normal very soon xx
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Hope everyone is feeling better this morning? :hug:
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I am really worried about Phoebe, does any one know how long it ususally takes for anaesthetic to wearoff?
She was sedated yesterday for her blood tests and to be shaved, but when i went to collect her i asked them about her weight and they couldnt find it in her file, so i am thinking how could they give her anaesthetic with out knowing her weight, can they just guess by the size of a cat?
Since i brought her home is more than 24 hours now but she is still shaking and refusing to eat she wants to eat but is like she has sore throat and ia mworry because she hasnt had her felimazole now for 2 days and her fortekor for 1 day :( :(. Her vet is closed today and tomorrow and i dont want to call the emergency. :tired:
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Not sure Pav but I know for humans the effects after can be pretty grim, myself and a few other people I know have felt really groggy for a week after. I would though just ring the emergency vets if I were you just say you are concerned you need to put your mind at rest :hug:
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I would ring the emergency vets PAv, they dont mind giving advice over the phone (or at least ours dont), it is odd they didn't register her weight though, but maybe they dont need to for a sedation. I would be worried about her reluctance to eat though. Fingers crossed
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Our emergency vets give advice over the phone too.
Poor Phoebe :(
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Oh poor Phoebe, will she take liquid Pav? Maybe her throat is sore cos they put a tube down it don't they? I remember when I had anaesthetic at hospital my throat was really sore when the painkillers wore off. Def give the emergency vet a ring for advice and update us when you can. Hugs to you all :hug:
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I called the emergency vet and after explaining every thing i was told to keep an eye on her and make sure she drinks, I told him thats what i have been doing all night and all day today >:( Oh and he said to keep her warm! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... I dont think this vet works for the surgery , and if he did i dont want him to treat Phoebe.
I am going to wait till tomorrow and if she is not eating by then then i call the emergency in Victoria, my neighbour took Flyn there one sunday and they were really good.
She is drinking water, so i have been puting down fresh food and adding warm water to it and she licks the water and leave the food.
I dont think they put the tube down her throat! I know she was given fluid while sedated because of her kidney. My worry is that she didnt have her med yesterday and today and i was told her thyroid is fine but her kidney is worse than last time when she had the tests in January.
She just looks so tiny and skinny with no fur on :(
I will update tomorrow. Thanks for the advice. :hug:
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What did she have done Pav?
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I am so pleased that Boy is back home with you and hope that his head tilt gradually improves :hug: :hug:
I hope Phoebe feels better tomorrow, I dont think she should still be feeling the effects cos blood yests and shave dont take that long. The weight may not have been recorded cos they just weighed her and didnt note it down, All cats look so thin with out their fur especially when they have fur like Phoebe.
I am thinking of you all :hug: :hug:
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Oh what a time for you! :hug:
Sending positive vibes to you all~~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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How is everything today, Pav? :hug:
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Hope everyone is feeling better today Pav.
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What did she have done Pav?
Nothing major, just blood test and shaved because she was badly matted.
I decided not to take phoebe t emergency today because it means more sedation, i have been up since 4 am and been trying to give her the tablets but she is not having it, i wasted so mant felimazole and fortekor and then thought i am stressing her and my self if she doesnt want to take it then i have to accept .
She does want to eat but it looks like her mouth or throat is sore, i wonder if she has got problem in her gum again! In October when she stoped eating and i kept taking her to the vets every time she was admited for 2 or 3 days then sent back home and back again, thats when she was diagnosed with thyroid but when i changed her vet in December the new vet found out she had a huge hole in her gum, so i am thinking if after the visit on friday its happened again, i am going to call her vet in the morning and see if he does home visits?
She did go out today and had loads of grass to eat , i hope it helps her. She is sleeping now.
Boy is not good aswell, his head is worse than 2 days ago and now he try to pick the food with his riight side of the mouth which makes it difficult so since last night i have benn putting the food in my hand and he eats from my hand, i dont like to see him like this , its breaking my heart but the vet said to wait for 2-3 weeks and it may improve! IF it doesnt i have to make the decision.
I am really stressed, it seems in last 2 years i have spent all my time in and out of different vets. This morning when Phoebe was not taking her tablets i just burst in to tears, am trying so hard to keep them happy and healthy and is just not working. I just want to say thank you to every one for their support and it just means a lot. I better stop now.Thabkx . x
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Oh Pav, I am so sorry you are all having such a rotten time. I hope you can get something sorted foodwise for Phoebe but see what your vet says tomorrow. At least she is drinking so that is something.
Poor poor BOY, it is a long time to wait but let's hope that things improve for him too
and poor poor you. I am so sorry you are feeling so stressed that you burst into tears. I wish I could give you a big hug!
We are all here for you and you have my number if you need a chat
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:hug: :hug: :hug: More positive vibes for you all~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thankx :hug:
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Poor kitties :( hope Phoebe start to pick up today and the steroid starts to help Boy soon.
If they are no better today hope the vet can help them :hug: :hug:
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i am sorry things are so hard for you at the moment Pav, I do hope Phoebe starts to feel better soon, and that Boy can improve. You know where I am if you want to talk
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Just popped on to see how BOY and Phoebe and YOU are doing today Pav? Did you manage to speak to your vet? Hope things are improved :hug:
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So tough when two are ill at the same time. :(
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I did go to see the vet and he said he remember looking in her mouth and there was no hole or problem in her gum or mouth, he is not sure why she is not eating and said the anaesthetic should wear off after24 hours but when a cat is older and have kidney problem then it mayb be different :( He said he needs to see her but mean while gave me a tablet called Periactin which is antihestime and said if i can get her to take it then it will give her appetite and she may start eating, well i tried but she doesnt want to take it, she went out again and had more grass !
If she doesnt start eating by tomorrow i will take her in :tired: The vet also said not to worry toomuch if she doesnt take her fortekor and felimazole for few days? The only thing she wants to do is to sit on my lap!
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So sorry she is still being difficult, it is so worrying for you. Hope you can manage to get the med inside her to perk up her appetite. Hope BOY is feeling better too?
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I am so sorry to hear about Boy and Pheobe and wonder if Phoebe has a furball cos of all the grass she is eating.
I think that fighting to medicate her is far too stressful but thats just my opinion and that she wants to sit on your knee despite this, is wonderful cos she is telling you how much she loves you :hug: :hug: :hug:
I think , and again just my opinion that 2-3 weeks to see if Boy improves is too long if he is getting worse.......cant remember if he is on meds for his head problem but if not this does not sound good, I am so sorry :hug: :hug:
If he can eat from your hand that is good and it will make it less stressful for him. Just a thought have you tried raising his dishes, about the height of a sick pack od coke is usually about right.....dont know if he may find that too hard.............I do hope he improves in the next few days and also Phoebe cos its hard enough to look after one sick cat and you have two.
All my very bestest thoughts to Boy, Pheobe and you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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How are Phoebe and Boy today Pav? do hope there's some improvement :hug: :hug:
Thinking of you xx
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Fingers crossed the Periactin works, I have used that in the past. I hope she starts to eat today and doesn't have to go back to the vets. I hope Boy is lookign a bit better today
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Thinking of you all! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thinking of you as well :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou every one.
Its some good news, i managed to give Phoebe half the tablet last night with some webbox, strange thing was after a while she started howling and would not stop, i dont think it was the Periactin :scared: So i moved my duvet downstairs and stayed with her on sofa all night .
This morning she started crying not howling just cry so i got her some food and she ate, i was so pleased i managed to give her the medication and then she spent the afternoon out side in the sun :Luv: She looks brighter and i have been feeding her small amount of food every few hours so i hope she carry on eating .
Gill i thought of furball because she had lots more grass today aswell but she hasnt been sick! BUt the Periactin has worked and i am so grateful i dont have to take her back right now.
After spending 4 days in my bedroom, Boy came down today and had some thing to eat and then manged to pick up the stinkie and went back upstaris :Crazy: His head looks a bit better today so am hoping the steroids are helping .
Gill he is not on any different medication for his condition, but the vet increased his steroid from one every other day to one every day, and his felimazole to 2 aday because his thyroid level was 62 and he said its high. So i am keeping my fingers crossed that things start to improve for all of us, it was a very long and tireing week :tired:
Thankyou every one for your support , i see how the next couple of days go and i will update on both phoebe and Boy. :hug:
Sending big :hug: :hug: to all the poorly cats here on purrs.x
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:) awwww, that's such good news Pav, I am so pleased and you must feel alot happier now too. Hope they both continue to improve and hugs to you all :grouphug:
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I am so pleased that Phoebe has had her tablet and started eating and Boy is getting better too.
Hope as each day goes by they both continue to improve and be fit and well again.
Big :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you.
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What good news ;D
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Excellent...Im so happy for you all! ;D :Luv: :hug:
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Sooooooooooooooo pleased that things are looking up for them and long may that continue. Food yessssssssssssss, great Phoebe is eating ;D ;D ;D :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Wonderful news hope they both continue to improve and you can all enjoy some happy days in the sun
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I am glad both of them seem better and eating more today - your lab's tests must be different to mine for thyroid, 55 is the top end of normal for mine, so 62 would only just be above normal.
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I am glad both of them seem better and eating more today - your lab's tests must be different to mine for thyroid, 55 is the top end of normal for mine, so 62 would only just be above normal.
Thankyou Desley, i was told the top end of normal is 61 but in a cat with medication 62 is high!
I also remember when Phoebe was first diagnosed her level was 182 and then it went down to 80 if i remember right, and they said it should be about 60 and they cut her felimazole to one a day, this was with the old vet but when i moved her to the new vet they changed it back to 2 a day and thats the 5mg.
Last 2 times they did the test for Phoebe her thyroid was fine(January& April) but my vet said to keep her on 2 a day because thats what keep her level down and i mentioned both Boy and Phoebe dose were cut by the old vet when the level came down but he said no is best to keep them on higher dose as it wont do any harm if they take higher dose?!
So i dont think is the lab tests, its just my new vet thinks is better to have higher dose than low one!
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How are your babies and you Pav :hug:
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Thanks Chrissie . :hug:
Boy is doing well, his head is back to normal and he is eating well. :)
Phoebe, i am concern , since yesterday she started sneezing a lot and this morning her eye was watery , i managed to wipe it with my hand but it looks like tears running down her face and only from one eye and her nose too! I am thinking she caught cat flu when she was hospitalized for few nights in old vet and maybe the flu is back :scared: I will call the vet on Monday and see what he thinks, i just don't want to stress her with another vet visit. Poor baby :(
Me , i just went to unpack my med which i bought from boots today and realized that :censored: woman didn't put them in the bag >:( she just put the toiletry in and left the med >:( Grrrrrrrrr Well is nothing i can do now, i call them tomorrow and see what they say! X
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Really pleased to hear Boy is a lot better , hope Phoebe hasn''t picked up anything nasty and she picks up over the week-end .
Hope you get your meds sorted tomorrow .
:hug: :hug: to you all.
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Glad Boy's better. Maybe Phoebe has a spring allergy sort of thing that will pass? There's a lot of allergens flying about. I hope she is fine asap too (not off her food?). Good luck with Boots too.
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Yes, it could be a allergy of some sort - i have felt like i have got a cold the last few days and keep sneezing , but its not a cold and i haven''t suffered from hay fever before !?
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So pleased that Boys head is back to normal ;D
I hope that Pheobe will be OK in a couple of days and its just an allergy sort of thing :hug: :hug:
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Glad Boy's better. Maybe Phoebe has a spring allergy sort of thing that will pass? There's a lot of allergens flying about. I hope she is fine asap too (not off her food?). Good luck with Boots too.
Thanks Kate,
I think you might be right about the allergy. She started going out again only last week and the way she sneezes is just 10 times or more one after another and her eye is as she is crying but only from one eye! I am going to see if she let s me clean it with some tea?
I remember when she came to me was June 2 years ago and it was then that she went out for the first time and after few weeks her face and eyes started getting really sore and pink . The vet said it was allergy and even though they did every test possible they couldnt find what the allergy was , in the end they said it could be airborn and they also said she had some kind of storage allergy which is rear in London and is found in country!! But they also said that wasnt the cause but she has it? I am going to keep her in till monday and see how it goes.
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I am so glad that Boy is doing well and it does sound like Phoebe has an allergy all the blossom pollens are about right now. I hope keeping her inside helps, we have had a couple of sneezy cats too and it's not nice for them. Sorry to hear about your meds! hope you get it sorted :hug:
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I am so glad that Boy is doing well and it does sound like Phoebe has an allergy all the blossom pollens are about right now. [...] Sorry to hear about your meds! hope you get it sorted :hug:
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Glad to hear BOY is back to normal bless him. Sorry to hear about Phoebe, does sound like an allergy bless her. Sorry to hear about your meds silly woman, bless you Pav xxxx
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Thankyou every one :hug:
I am so glad Boy is fine, but i dont know whats the best thing to do for Phoebe? She looks really down and she has the look of feeling sorry for her self :( She has lost weight since last friday when she visited the vets. First i thought she looks thin because she is shaved but today she sat on my knee and i can feel how thin she has become. I was told her thyroid is fine and her kidney is worse since her last test.
I dont want to stress her with the vet visit because even if i manage to get her to her carriear without Xanax, the vet would sedate her for more tests and that is not good for her kidneys :(
I remember 2 years ago the vet gave her some tablets for her allergies but cant remembr the name :-: Is there anything i can try for allergies?
Thankx
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Glad that Boy is doing better, and fingers crossed Phoebe will soon put the weight on with eating again. I would give the vets a quick call about the tabs, they might be Piriton, but they would be able to give you the correct dosage.
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Thanks Desley, i think i have to take her in tomorrow :( I was up at 5 this morning to give her the tablets but she doesnt want to know i cooked her fresh prawn, tried steak, liver , cat food but she is not eating :( :(
I just hope her vet is working tomorrow.
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So sorry about Phoebe Pav - hugs to you both. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Come on Phoebe :hug:
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good luck at the vets. I hope so much the (right) vet sorts out something for Phoebe and she manages to eat something asap. Sorry you have all these worries at once :hug:
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So sorry Pheobe wont eat, such a terrible worry and wish I knew an answer.
Thinking of Phoebe and you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Aw sorry Phoebe is having such an awful time (as well as yourself!) Hope the vet can work some magic! Good Luck! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed for today
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Good luck today Pav :hug:
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:hug: I would ask the vet which tablets they were she gave Phoebe if they helped last time or do you think it could be a cold she has?
hopefully she will find out why she isn't eating, is her mouth and teeth ok Pav?
lots of luck today xx
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Thinking of you and sending positive vibes for today :hug:
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Thankyou every one. :hug:
I managed to catch her and she didnt put any fight because she is weak. :(
The vet said its cat flu and he thinks the stress of last week visit and sedation has brought it out, so he gave her convenia injection for the flu and Laurabolin injection and said it lasts for 2-4 weeks, he also managed to give her 1/2 Periactin tablet and said she should start eating in next few hours. He said she is dehydrated but he didnt want to give her fluid under the skin because he wasnt sure if she stays long enough in one place , apparently is painful to give fluid under the skin! I learn something everyday :tired: I told him she is drinking water and hasnt been sick so he said just to leave it till tomorrow and see how she feels.
It was such a sad day, while i was waiting one couple had their cat pts, and there was another cat brought in which had RTA and as we were going in another couple brought their 19 year old cat which died in her sleep and was due to be pts this evening :'( The nurse came to the room and gave me some tissue and said she could see how upset i was, it was so sad to see people crying , you just want to hug them and say you know how they feel :(
As i am typing this i can see her eating so i think she will be ok soon. Thanks again :hug: :hug:
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hopefully she will find out why she isn't eating, is her mouth and teeth ok Pav?
Thanks Janey, yes her mouth and teeth are fine and he checked her mouth and gum today and it was fine.
Phoebe caught cat flu while was staying in the old vet and being a semi feral she probably had it when she was kitten before being rescued and vaccinated and according to my vet once they have it then any stress can bring it back, she is still sneezing lots but hopefully the antibiotics start working soon.
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I'm so sorry it was so traumatic at the vets. That's awful. But it's so good that Phoebe is eating. Hope the cat flu disappears asap. I was just reading in the paper how this year is horrendous for hay fever so I'm sure it kicks in the snuffles in any cat that has had flu as well. I'm going to advertise Kaminox again (maybe the co should pay me ;)) - my vet has prescribed it instead of laurabolin as it perks them up if they are only a little bit anaemic, whereas laurabolin can make them feel a bit off sometimes. I reckon it helps a bit with appetite too.
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how is everything and everyone?
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Pleased that Phoebe got some good treatment and very sad at vets. I feel that every vets shoulkd have a back way out and somewhere for upset people to sit for a while in private :(
I know St James shut the surgery off to the consulting area while someone was having their dog pts and the nurse helped me carry Franta out another side exit to the car, cos I didnt want to intrude.
Sending lots of good wishes for Boy and Phoebe :hug: :hug:
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:( Poor Phoebe, hope she picks up very soon Pav :hug: :hug:
I am always crying in my vets Pav when I see that happening :shy: I remember one a poor happy waggy tailed dog who was being pts because the family didn't want him and they wanted him to be with his owner who had died, I was in a right state.
When we had Schui pts we sat waiting out of the way and they let me and Ste go out the back door afterwards as we were so upset.
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I cry at the vets too.... :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hoping the abs have worked and Phoebe is on the mend....Thinking of BOY too! :Luv: :Luv:
and of course yourself! :grouphug:
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Thankyou every one. :hug:
Phoebe was fine for 3 days and stoped eating again :( I went to see the vet and he said i can take her in and they will give her some fluid but they cant do that without sedating her, also they dont have 24 hours staff staying in surgery so that means she is going to be there on her own all weekend and the nurse just goes in and check the animals, i think i rather if she stays home with me she is drinking water so she wont be dehydrated. The vet gave me some more Periactin and said i can give her 1/2 tab twice a day so i am going to see if i can start her eating and keep her goingwith this( He said they wont do any harm) and then on Tuesday we decide what to do, he was very busy today and i had no appointment so we couldnt discuss anything but i dont think he can give her anymore antibiotics or steroid since she had them on Monday so i think he has to repeat all the x-rays and scan again to see if he finds something :tired: and that means more sedation :( I really dont know whats the right thing to do any more , even if they do more x-rays and then some thing else shows it means more medication i am already struggling with3 tab a day , and all this stress of vet visits not doing her any good.
I am going to see how it goes this weekend and i think i am going to ask my vet what he thinks is the right thing to do ? I love her so much and cant decide whats the right thing to do . :'(
I hope every one have a nice weekend and enjoy the good weather. I post on tuesday after the vet visit. Thankx
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:hug: I hope you're ok Pav, you know where I am if you want to call :hug:
I can understand you not wanting to leave Phoebe at the vets, I was the same once with Schui and we kept him home and cared for him and he was fine, I think alot depends on the circumstances and the cat and like Phoebe, Schui was, we decided better with us as he would have probably gone downhill left at the vets. I do hope that Phoebe picks up over the next few days, I will be thinking positive for her xx
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I am so sorry that Phoebe is having problems again and because my vets didnt have 24/7 cover thats why I had to move Franta to a new vet.
I am sure all the stress is not helping her but its so hard with a cat like Phoebe.....I dread it if Sasa gets ill :(
I hope that Pheobe may perk up with you over the weekend, spend some quality time with her if you can :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry to hear Phoebe not doing good again Pav, hope she perks up over the weeknd and no vet visit is needed. Hugs to you BOY, Phoebe and Mr T xx
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Sending more positive vibes to Phoebe~~~~~Hope she perks up soon! Big kisses too BOY and hugs to you all! :grouphug:
...Hope you have a fab wk/end to Pav... :Luv: :hug:
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I am sorry she isn't too good again, I hope you can get her to perk up over the weekend, and that the vet has some answers on Tues.
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I am going to see how it goes this weekend and i think i am going to ask my vet what he thinks is the right thing to do ? I love her so much and cant decide whats the right thing to do . :'(
I hope every one have a nice weekend and enjoy the good weather. I post on tuesday after the vet visit. Thankx
:hug: I hope she'll perk up a little over the weekend, Pav.
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Thankyou. :hug:
She is eating again but i think is because of Periactin, i am going to carry on giving her twice a day till tuesday.
I was wondering if any one knows why she is howling?! She does it only when she goes to her room, it happened 2 sweeks ago and since yesterday everytime she goes in there she just stear at the wall and start making this deep meowing , like she is calling!! Then as soon as i go and call her she stops and come out. :-: I checked the room and cant see anything that upseting her . I dont think she is in pain cos she doesnt do it any where else.
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Schui yowled peculiarly when he went out in the garden Pav he was nearly blind/deaf and we had another old nearly blind/deaf cat once for a short while and he was very odd for that (in the house) at night, I wonder whether it's her age... is her sight/hearing ok?
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Thankyou Janey. TBH i am not sure about her sight or hearing. I was told once by her privious vet that he thought she has problem with her sight and he thought that was the reason she was aggressive and attacking every ones hand , when she came to me we questioned her sight because when ever we tried to play with her with things like dabirdy she didnt react :( Thats when we thought she doesnt know how to play :(
But since last month she started playing with the honey suckle ball you sent for her she pick them and take them every where and its the first time in 2 ears i have seen her not getting upset when i try to play with her so i am not sure! In her last visit to the vets i mentioned that her eyes look really large but then the vet thought is because she was scared and asked to keep an eye on her to see if its the same at home and actually it has. As for hearing she never respond but then when i go to her room and call her i am facing her and she comes out so she cant be blind?
I am going to discuss this with the vet on tuesday , she does look a bit confused and is been following me every where, which is not like her . I thought she is coming around and trusting me but then maybe she is loosing her sigt or hearing and is scared to be on her own?
She is not that old though, when she came here the rescue said she was between 8-10 so now she must be 10-12 which is not really old .
Thankyou so much for mentioning this about your cats, cos i didnt know if they have sight/hearing problem they yowle. Jim was deaf but never yowled :Luv:
Sorry for long post, i am so confused my self right now. :-: :thanks:
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Awww bless Phoebe, I'm glad she likes the honeysuckle :hug: Byron prefers the stinkies and flicks them around sometimes but Matty liked the honeysuckle.
It is something I have noticed about the loss of sight/hearing with some cats, although when Timmy suddenly went blind he followed me everywhere but didn't yowl. I have just been thinking and our Squeaky did the yowling also he would only go into the kitchen and do it but when we called him he stopped and came to us (he wasn't deaf or blind) we just took it as an age thing and going a bit senile he started to do that from about 12 years.
The large pupils are a big sign of loss of sight and not blinking when you move infront of their eyes, Schui never flinched with one eye but slightly responded with the other. If we clapped behind him he never moved but was startled if he noticed you suddenly appeared behind him, that and sleeping through hoover! Your vet should be able to confirm whether is losing her sight or hearing if you ask, I asked my vet.
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I agree with Janey and a vet should be able to tell easlily if she is blind or nearlt blind. Kocka had detaching retinas and would go blind and then her sight would return although it wasnt very good. When she was blind I could tell cos she had just big black eyes that did not react to light at all.
The was on high blood pressure meds cos the vet said thats probably what caused it but she was very old and was by then shouting and suffering with dementia. BP meds are very very small and I think Kocka had a quarter of a tab which I would crush up and put in her ad diet which she ate off my finger.
Franta seemed to be deaf and my vet agreed he was after clapping and jingling stuff behind his back and this was two years ago, no ear twitching or reaction.....is he deaf, lol no not just stubborn. He suddenly started to react and come to me when strted using his old name Napoleon! He is a monster ;D
You will have to remember that Phoebe will be able to smell you.......dont mean that in any nasty way lol, so she will know you are there and be able to walk towards you and if she is going blind she will also know here way round the house by now unless you put something large in a diferent plce.
Cats are so clever at disguising things. I am so pleased she is playing, thats a very positive thing :hug: :hug:
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Awww bless Phoebe, I'm glad she likes the honeysuckle :hug: Byron prefers the stinkies and flicks them around sometimes but Matty liked the honeysuckle.
It is something I have noticed about the loss of sight/hearing with some cats, although when Timmy suddenly went blind he followed me everywhere but didn't yowl. I have just been thinking and our Squeaky did the yowling also he would only go into the kitchen and do it but when we called him he stopped and came to us (he wasn't deaf or blind) we just took it as an age thing and going a bit senile he started to do that from about 12 years.
The large pupils are a big sign of loss of sight and not blinking when you move infront of their eyes, Schui never flinched with one eye but slightly responded with the other. If we clapped behind him he never moved but was startled if he noticed you suddenly appeared behind him, that and sleeping through hoover! Your vet should be able to confirm whether is losing her sight or hearing if you ask, I asked my vet.
Janey, i got Phoebe dabird, lazor toy and stinkie from the shop and stinkie was the only thing which she loved and didnt upset her , but then when you sent her the HS she didnt show any interest so i just left them in her room and one day she just started playing with them she carry one in her mouth and play foot ball, its so cute and every time i see her it makes me smile because i know now that she does know how to play and for the first 2 years , well she probably needed time to recover from her past!
The large pupils are only some times so may be as Gill said the sight may be goes and returns again? I will write every thing and ask my vet on tuesday. Thankyou.x
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I agree with Janey and a vet should be able to tell easlily if she is blind or nearlt blind. Kocka had detaching retinas and would go blind and then her sight would return although it wasnt very good. When she was blind I could tell cos she had just big black eyes that did not react to light at all.
The was on high blood pressure meds cos the vet said thats probably what caused it but she was very old and was by then shouting and suffering with dementia. BP meds are very very small and I think Kocka had a quarter of a tab which I would crush up and put in her ad diet which she ate off my finger.
Franta seemed to be deaf and my vet agreed he was after clapping and jingling stuff behind his back and this was two years ago, no ear twitching or reaction.....is he deaf, lol no not just stubborn. He suddenly started to react and come to me when strted using his old name Napoleon! He is a monster ;D
You will have to remember that Phoebe will be able to smell you.......dont mean that in any nasty way lol, so she will know you are there and be able to walk towards you and if she is going blind she will also know here way round the house by now unless you put something large in a diferent plce.
Cats are so clever at disguising things. I am so pleased she is playing, thats a very positive thing :hug: :hug:
I agree with Janey and a vet should be able to tell easlily if she is blind or nearlt blind. Kocka had detaching retinas and would go blind and then her sight would return although it wasnt very good. When she was blind I could tell cos she had just big black eyes that did not react to light at all.
The was on high blood pressure meds cos the vet said thats probably what caused it but she was very old and was by then shouting and suffering with dementia. BP meds are very very small and I think Kocka had a quarter of a tab which I would crush up and put in her ad diet which she ate off my finger.
Franta seemed to be deaf and my vet agreed he was after clapping and jingling stuff behind his back and this was two years ago, no ear twitching or reaction.....is he deaf, lol no not just stubborn. He suddenly started to react and come to me when strted using his old name Napoleon! He is a monster ;D
You will have to remember that Phoebe will be able to smell you.......dont mean that in any nasty way lol, so she will know you are there and be able to walk towards you and if she is going blind she will also know here way round the house by now unless you put something large in a diferent plce.
Cats are so clever at disguising things. I am so pleased she is playing, thats a very positive thing :hug: :hug:
Gill, thats how Phoebe eyes are, some times big pupils and then normal so may be her sight goes and comes back!
She also was on blood pressure tab, 1/4 aday but the new vet in December said to stop them cos he said they could never get her blood pressure cos she is always so stressed or under sedation, but i am going to talk to him on tuesday and see if she should go back on them.
Also may be thats why she doesnt want to go out so much these days unless i am there with her, if she is having problem with her sight then she wont feel safe out side. She has stoped going upstairs to the bedroom too.
I am so glad i posted here about this, because she is a difficult cat to handle some times vets dont do all the tests with her unless i ask and after reading you and Janey's reply i think she may have problem with her sight and also maybe the blood pressure, so i can mention all to her vet and see if we can help her to be more comfortable.
Thankyou sooo much. x
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I so wish you were close to me and then she could go to my special vets and I guarentee Rachel would be able to handle her and would be able to do basic stuff without sedation.
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Forgot to say that if cats react like humans when sedated, this means that their subconcious cannot be sedated. They know nothing about what is happening but it does not necessarily mean because Pheobe is stressed at that time, the blood pressure tab is not working.
I would definately go for putting her back on them to maybe help her eyes cos stress can cause high bp and that in turn can course loss of sight.
I agree with you that it sounds like she cant see very well cos she is showing all the symptoms of this from what you describe and that will be making her scared.
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How are Phoebe and Boy doing Pav?
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Boy is fine , Thanks. :hug:
I took Phoebe to the vet yesterday, he doesn't think she is blind and said he thinks everything happening to her right now is down to her hearT, she hasn't been taking the right dose in last 2 weeks. She is on 5mg twice a day but i haven't been able to give her that everyday because she refuses to eat, hence no food no tab! He said the yowling is because of the Thyroid, he did a full blood and told me if the blood doesn't show anything then he doesn't know why she is not eating :-: At least he was honest!!He didnt want to put her under sedation so didnt have x-rays, he gave her B12 injection and said i should just carry with Periactin for a while longer and said if i cant get it to her i can take her to surgery every day and the nurse will do it, i reminded him that i don't think its a good idea because of the stress it causes Phoebe.
The blood test was ready 30 min later and he said her kidneys are better than last month but also said that its a false result because if her blood pressure was high due to stress then it effect the kidneys and the result wont be right but her Thyroid level is up from 22 to 75 and he said normal should be about 50-55 so i have to make sure she takes 2 tab a day .
What i forgot to ask is when her thyroid was 182 in October she never cried and yowled like this, so i am still not convinced is HT causes the yowling and she is worse since yesterday, every time she is left on her own if i am upstairs or by the door she start making really loud calling, i also know she is not well or very stressed because she is not using the tray again, she gets in but wee and spray out of the tray.
Aww and she has put on 100 grams since last week, which is odd since she is not eating . I just dont know what elso to do when she stops eating again :tired: I just see how it goes for next few days. :thanks:
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I forgot to ask if any one knows whats the best puppy training pads? I am using Sherleys atm, but as soon as she wee it goes through and the floor gets wet so not only i have to change the pads then i have to wash and dry and spray the floor and by the time is all cleaned and changed to fresh one she goes back and do it again :evillaugh: Seven times since this morning, i am exhausted.
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Pleased that Boy is doing well :)
It's a shame you can't get to the bottom of what is wrong with Phoebe, maybe it's a mixture of things that's making her feel unwell. I'm not convinced that HT is causing the yowling either, I do hope her appetite picks up. The B12 should help to make her feel better let us know how she gets on :hug: :hug:
eta: I've never used the puppy pads Pav so not sure about that.
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Oh I am so sorry. I use Simple Solution's Stay at Home floor protection pads for adult dogs. They are 23" x 24" and have 2 sides, one coarser pink one I put face on the carpet and a whiter side that you can brush up stray litter with a dustpan and brush (if you use it under the litter tray). I buy them at PAH and they are the best I've tried so far. Nothing has gone through on to the carpet as yet.
As for the yowling, it is so horrible when they do that. It could be high bp which can make them quite manic, especially if they can't see (double stress). What dose of Istin is she on?
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Oh I am so sorry. I use Simple Solution's Stay at Home floor protection pads for adult dogs. They are 23" x 24" and have 2 sides, one coarser pink one I put face on the carpet and a whiter side that you can brush up stray litter with a dustpan and brush (if you use it under the litter tray). I buy them at PAH and they are the best I've tried so far. Nothing has gone through on to the carpet as yet.
As for the yowling, it is so horrible when they do that. It could be high bp which can make them quite manic, especially if they can't see (double stress). What dose of Istin is she on?
Thanks.
There is no PAH close to us, i am going to see if i can order on line!
She was on 5mg, 1/4 aday but when i moved her to new vet in December he said not to give her any more, and i cant remember why.
I asked yesterday if he can take her blood pressure but she doesnt stay still, the nurse had to hold her from scruff yesterday in order for vet to take blood and i was really sad to see her like that but it was that or sedation.
I better go now, have to order food and feliway from vet uk, i think they have some offers on.
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Its terrible when the vets dont know what is wrong and why thiungs are happening.
I agrre that I think stress is a lot of her problem and you did good to remind the vet how stressed she gets going to the vets. I dont know what is causing the howling but she seems a bit young for dementia.
What did the vet do to test that her sight?
I do hope things get better for you and for Pheobe :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed you can get things sorted for her. I get my puppy pads from PEts at Home, you can order online. Not sure they are as good as last years though (the first lot came from The Range, the second from Netto), but I put them on top of carpet protector, so they do the job OK
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Ah Pav I hope things get better for Phoebe and you. Hope, too, you can get to the bottom of her problems :hug:
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Its terrible when the vets don't know what is wrong and why things are happening.
What did the vet do to test that her sight?
Yes Gill,Its terrible not knowing whats wrong, but i have to say at least he is honest enough not to put her through unneccesarily tests and treatments.
The only thing he did was with his hand just going towards her face and she reacted by pulling her head back
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She may have smelt it.
You can test yourself at home, shine a torch into her eyes and see if the pupils or Phoebe react to that :hug: