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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on November 10, 2007, 23:35:16 PM
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Abigail gave birth to 2 kittens earlier but sadly the kittens are not fully developed :'( One has died and the other is just about holding on. She is about 2 weeks prem but basically she has aborted them. I'm not sure whether there's any more to come but she wasn't interested in them whatsoever. They were both absolutely freezing and still had the placentas attached. I spoke to Sean earlier and he said the chances of survival are very low, but it was worth trying to feed them. As I said, one sadly died but the other seems to be pretty strong. It took a while to warm them both up and they'd had a little to eat, I will have to feed every 2 hours and just basically keep my fingers crossed that this little one is going to make it.
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Ahhh poor little souls. Keeping everything crossed for baby and Abigail.
RIP little one.
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RIP baby kitty :(
Fingers crossed DD :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Aawwwwww, Poor wee soul :RIP:
Sending strength and good vibes for the other wee one !!!!
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RIP Kitten
Hope that the other makes it :hug:
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:morning: and :luck: with this one Dawn
How are you and little Kitty today??
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Hoping and praying that the little one pulls through xxx
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Sadly the little one died in the early hours :'( :'( Abigail seems fine in herself and doesn't seem in the least bit stressed. She'll be going in the vets next week for a check up just to check there are no more babies.
:RIP: Little ones
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DD that is so sad :'(
RIP little babes - play hard on the bridge xxxxx
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Aw DD you tried your best hun :hug: :hug: :hug:
RIP little kitty....go play with your sibling at the bridge :(
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Sadly the little one died in the early hours :'( :'( Abigail seems fine in herself and doesn't seem in the least bit stressed. She'll be going in the vets next week for a check up just to check there are no more babies.
:RIP: Little ones
Sorry to hear the news :'( At least you gave the kitten the best possible chance it could have :hug: Mother Nature is cruel at times.
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I'm wondering whether she was only carrying the two or if there's more in there that might still be okay :-: Poor little babe but she doesn't seem at all bothered, sometimes these things are just not meant to be and it's possible there was something wrong with them :owwww:
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:'( :'( poor baby.
RIP little one ... you and your little brother or sister will be able to play together at the bridge xxx
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RIP little ones, so sad. At least she is with you now, and will be spayed so she doesn't have to go through this again.
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RIP wee babies xxx
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I was talking to someone earlier who breeds Siamese and Bengals, she was saying she has on occasion had a queen that's aborted a couple and then go on to give birth to healthy ones a week or so after. I'm not sure if this will be the case with Abigail but if there's no more, as soon as her uterus is back to normal she can be spayed and hopefully find the loving home that she deserves. I'll be taking her to the vets tomorrow to see if she can have an Ultrasound and then I'll know for sure.
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I have heard of a pedigree having one kitten, then keeping hold of the others for another month. Fingers crossed for her tomorrow.
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I'm not even sure if she does have any more that she'll rear them. She had no interest whatsoever in the one's she gave birth to but the fact they were early might be the reason, maybe she knew they wouldn't make it. I hope for her sake there's no more.
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I do too Dawn, but at least she is safe now.
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I'm not even sure if she does have any more that she'll rear them. She had no interest whatsoever in the one's she gave birth to but the fact they were early might be the reason, maybe she knew they wouldn't make it. I hope for her sake there's no more.
I think she knew they are not well, many years ago when my persian cat gave birth , she refused to feed them and i found her sitting on them! I moved her and called a person i knew with lots of experiance and i was told that my cat knows the kittens are not well and thats why she is doing it? I couldnt accept it so i managed to save 2 and bottle fed them, came back one day and found out she has taken them out and left them in neighbour garden!
I got them back in and raise them, they both didnt make it to their first year?? I went against nature and i believe , that the mother cat reject the babies when they are not well.But how do they know??
RIP little ones.x
Hope abigail is fine.
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I think it is called a mothers instinct Pav.
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Thankyou! ;D
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Abigail has been in for an ultrasound, there are 2 more babies that Sean can see but he can only see one heartbeat as they were lying oddly. She is going back in again on Wednesday for another ultrasound and hopefully he can get a clearer picture then. Fingers crossed that these will be okay, he's a little concerned that if there is one live and one dead, it's possible the dead one is responsible for her aborting :tired: Anyway, I will know more on Wednesday.
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Aww keep us updated on how she goes at the vets. hope the rest of the babies are born a live a healthy ;D
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Let us know how she gets on on Wednesday.
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Oh bless her :hug: Will be thinking of her on Wednesday :hug:
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I will keep you all updated :hug:
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Fingers crossed for her on Wed, I hope one isn't dead in case it causes a prob before Wed.
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Hope all goes well with Abigail tomorrow, keeping fingers crossed for her and the babies. RIP the little ones that didn't make it - go and play on the Bridge with baby Gizmo and his brother and sisters - they were also too good for this world and I think their mummy knew it.
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Abigail has had another ultrasound and Sean said both babies appear fine :) I've got to keep and eye on her and if need be we can have another scan next week.
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so pleased she and the babies are okay. Give her a hug and kiss from me.
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Thats great news. Hope they will be be healthy. do let us know when she gives birth. ;D
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Wonderful news ;D
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Great news, fingers crossed for them all.
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I think me having to wait up must have been fate :tired: Abigail has given birth again :oh noo: but after about 2 hours of persuasion she has finally let the little one suckle :yes: At first she ignored the little one, leaving the placenta attached again, every time I tried to put the baby on her nipple she started to growl :scared: I managed to gentle rub the baby along her fur in the hope she would start sniffing her and then suckle but to no avail. I finally tried to lie her on her side which she wasn't impressed about but I think the only way this baby is going to survive is through her mum. Anyway at last she succumbed to motherhood and finally lay on her side willingly while I attached the baby to her nipple :Luv2: :Luv2: She now seems pretty contented and I am so relieved :) I'm going to keep an eye on her for a bit and hopefully her full maternal instinct will kick in, it will still be touch and go for the little one as she is still prem but she's in with more of a chance than her poor siblings :wish:
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The baby is still alive and Abigail is still allowing her to suckle :yesss: She nice and warm and seems to be doing okay :Luv: :Luv:
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But she still has one more inside her? Hope goes well with this little one :hug:
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Fingers crossed that this all works out... jeez, it makes me so cross. Poor Abigail, poor premmy babies. Could have been spared all this so easily with a little operation.
I wonder if vet hospitals can/would ever attempt more aggressive support of a very premature kitten, as with premature babies? I'm thinking surfactant and oxygen, primarily.
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Fingers crossed for the little one Dawn, and hope there is nothing wrong with the one still in her - it is a very odd pregnancy, I have heard of cats having one or two before the rest, but to have 3 labours is unusual!!
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I was told sometimes they mate with different male or the same male, but different time when they are on heath!!? Thats why they have a gap on giving birth, becos they mated twice or more within few days of each other. Never read this in abook though, has any one read anything about this? :)
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Yes, a queen can continue to mate during pregnancy and may release additional eggs in response to the subsequent matings, so may carry more than one litter. Usually two litters, as there are two horns to the uterus. three is a bit more unusual. The labour for the first litter usually aborts the second litter who are premature, and the kittens rarely survive. But if, as seems to be the case here, they are only a couple of days apart, then there is some chance that the other kits will be fine, especially as they seem to have 'hung on' so to speak.
A litter can also have more than one sire as the queen may mate with multiple cats in 24 hours and each one might get lucky in the sperm-to-egg race. Another one of those marvellous things about cats. :Luv2:
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Thankyou blackcat, i didnt know about the first and second litter :wow:, i love this place you learn so much. :thanks: :Luv:
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Baby is still alive but I'm a little confused as to what's going on :Crazy: I texted Sean this morning and he said he/she's in with a chance but may need top up feeds. Not sure what to do now, I'll have a chat with him tomorrow to see whether she will need another scan or not :tired: We have decided, as it's Uncle Sean's birthday today and I forgot :-[ :-[ , the little baby is going to be Sean the Moggy if it's a little boy :evillaugh: :evillaugh: I really hope this little one makes it, he's been a fighter so far so really deserves to survive :wish:
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Sending positive vibes your way for the little kitty~~~~~~~ :Luv2: :Luv2:
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I've given the little one a couple of top up feeds but literally dribbles, he's soooo tiny bless him. I've taken some piccies which I'll post tomorrow. Abigail seems a lot better with him and has given him the odd lick but I've been wiping his back end to stimulate him to go to the loo because I doubt very much she's doing it :tired: I can't believe she's had kittens beforehand, she doesn't seem maternal in the slightest :Crazy: He seems to be doing okay but I'm still worried as to whether he'll pull through or not :wish: The differance in him in 24 hours is amazing really.......already his fur is starting to grow :Crazy: :Crazy: He was pretty much baldish yesterday with a very light down on him, today you can see he's going to be the same colour as mum, possibly darker :Luv: :Luv: I've had him latched onto mum a few times but I think it seems to be a learning kerb for both of them :Dont know: Possibly with him being prem, he will take a little longer to get the hang of things but I hope it's soon as it's giving me a bad back and neck leaning over trying to get him suckling :-:
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Aww, fingers crossed Dawn. Maybe she is just confused with teh multiple labours, and that is why she isn't acting maternal? OR maybe she is just fed up of having babies!!
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Hiow is Abigail and little Sean today, sending hugs and kisses to them both. :Flowers:
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Abigail and baby Sean are still doing okay :shoosh: Baby Sean is tiny so I'm still having my worries and Abigail is well............. :shify: not really very maternal :tired: She is trying bless her but needs a lot of encouragement and the only way he will make it is with mum's help and a few little top ups from his aunty Dawn. She doesn't wash him so I have the pleasure of that job but she's quite happy him suckling once I finally get him to latch on. I'm hoping he will be okay so we'll wait and see. I'll post the piccies on later :hug:
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Abigail has given birth again but the baby was still left in the sac and she didn't bother cleaning him :'( :'( I'm not sure if he was alive or dead when he was born but she ignored him anyway and he's gone to the bridge :'( He seemed extremely large compared to the others.
RIP little one's , xxxx
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Oh Dawn, so sorry. :hug: RIP little one xx
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So sorry about the new one, fingers crossed baby Sean survives. At least she doesn't have to go through this ever again.
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Sounds like the latest one might have been the cause of all the earlier miscarriages and premies, it was the one that cooked full term, while the others were brought on by the preparation for this one's birth - but as Desley says, at least she won't have to go through it again, poor girl
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If I'm honest, I'm glad it's all over and done with now, she's been through enough and she's getting a little better each day with baby Sean but she still isn't mother material. I'm hoping with support from both sides, he'll survive :Luv2: :Luv2:
Here's some pics of the gorgeous little man anyway, these were taken the first couple of days so he's still quite underdeveloped to how he should be. He's grown a little bit since then and his fur is more pronounced but I'll take some new piccies of him later :Luv2: :Luv2:
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:-: He's so very tiny :hug: Crossing everything that can be crossed for Little Sean to pull through.
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He's also a little whingebag :Luv2: .........he does remind me of his namesake actually :evillaugh:
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He's minute!!! what a tiny kitten, lucky to survive, and all down to you...
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and all down to you...
and the gorgeous Abigail as well although I had a use a lot of gentle persuasion :)
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sean is so small, never seen one as small as that. i hope he pulls through and is ok :hug:
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My god hes tiny :Luv: fingers crossed he pulls through
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Here's a piccie taken of him tonight, the others didn't come out very well so I'll have to take some more :-[
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lookin a little bigger and furrier, but still a tiny itsy bitsy :Luv:
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He's getting stronger daily which is the main thing :Luv: I spotted this pic I took the other day, I can't get over how diddy he was :Crazy: :Crazy:
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He has grown and it that last picture his paws looked like a little hand, He seems to be a bit more like a kitten now but still so far to go........come on Sean you can do it :hug: :hug:
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Finally he's got the hang of suckling and Abigail has been snuggled up to him constantly tonight :ok: I think at long last she's accepted him as her baby, I've even caught her washing him numerous times today, only on his head but it's a start :yes: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Glad to hear her mothering instincts are starting to come out, and he is gorgeous.
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He looks just like my little ^Gizmo^ when I first got him. Sorry about the other one Dawn, but at least Abigail can now concentrate on being a mum to whingey Sean. :Luv:
Sending lots of love to both of them.
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He's not giving her chance to get away :evillaugh: Every time I go in now, he's dangling off her nipple if she stands up bless him :Luv:
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This all sounds good ;D
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concentrate on being a mum to whingey Sean. :Luv:
:Nooooo: Don't call him whingey Sean, I'll get in the habit of calling him that and then I'll get told off by his namesake :rofl: :rofl:
Poor little Gizmo, at least he had a chance, sadly he wasn't meant to be :hug: I have another little ginger here, if he's a little boy, we can call him Gizmo in the memory of the 2 gorgeous Gizzies if you and Tan want :care:
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:Luv: :Luv: :Luv: That is the tiniest kitten I've ever seen. What does he weigh?
A big WELL DONE to you and to Abigail for working through this - given the circumstances this is a pretty fantastic outcome, fingers crossed for the next days and weeks.
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:Luv: :Luv: :Luv: That is the tiniest kitten I've ever seen. What does he weigh?
If I can prise him off Abigails bits, I'll try and weigh him shortly :Luv:
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I've just weighed him and he weighs 0.091 kg :-:
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He's gorgeous and I hope he goes from strength to strength :)
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Awwwww, so tiny :Luv:
I hope he continues to go from strength to strength, and well done to Abigail as well :Luv: (and of course to Dawn :hug:)
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Here's a piccie taken of him tonight, the others didn't come out very well so I'll have to take some more :-[
He is the most adorable little creature, I pray that he gets stronger and stronger xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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91g omg :Luv2:
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A bit of good news, baby Sean is going from strength to strength :Luv2: He's doing really well and Abigail seems to have fallen in love with the little man, she's getting really attentive with him now and I've been able to stop having to do top up feeds for him. I'll be keeping an eye on him obviously but I think we're over the worse with him :)
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So pleased Abigail has started to love him ;D
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He's getting stronger daily which is the main thing :Luv: I spotted this pic I took the other day, I can't get over how diddy he was :Crazy: :Crazy:
So how about Diddy Sean :evillaugh:
This is fantastic news :wow: ;)
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Dawn that is lovely :Luv: I am glad that you managed to help the mothering instinct in Abigail come out :ahh:
Bless baby Sean - I think more pictures are needed :Luv2: :pic: - when you get a chance of course! ;)
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Baby Sean has been weighed again tonight and he weighs 0.106 kg, so he's put a little on anyway :Luv2:
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:Luv: :Luv: Awww he is beautiful - the little mini markings on his fur!
Give him some :hug: from me :shy:
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Lovely story DD ;D
Shame about the others but Sean sounds like a fighter :Luv2:
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sean is so small, never seen one as small as that.
DD - did you introduce Gill to your vet? ;)
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DD - did you introduce Gill to your vet? ;)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I keep my vet under wraps so no one runs off with him :shify:
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:Luv: :Luv: Awww he is beautiful - the little mini markings on his fur!
He is a little cutie bum :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Awwww I love little whingey Sean! :Luv:
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Awwww I love little whingey Sean! :Luv:
I didn't know you'd met my vet :shify: :evillaugh:
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:evillaugh: :evillaugh: Ok I love little furry whingey Sean, although from what you've said about the vet I'm sure I'd love him too!
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My vets okay I suppose :innocent:
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:Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: absolutely gorgeous... I've got a soft spot for gingers!!!
hope everything continues to go well dawn! he's adorable! as is Abigail of course! ;D
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He is exactly the same colour as Abigail and he is just starting to look like a kitten ;D
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He is exactly the same colour as Abigail and he is just starting to look like a kitten ;D
right. You know what that means!!! More pix please!! ;)
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Bless him. I hope they both continue doing well and get fab new homes.
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He is exactly the same colour as Abigail and he is just starting to look like a kitten ;D
right. You know what that means!!! More pix please!! ;)
I'll take some more in the next couple of days, he's a bit awkward at the moment because he doesn't keep still, he's like a little rocket :evillaugh:
I'm sure Des, they'll find homes.......Little Sean has sort of wormed his way under my skin though :shify: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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May be they can find a home together. ;)
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Baby Sean now weighs 0.133 kg :yes: I think the fact that he's gaining weight is a good sign, I think this little man is going to be okay :ok: I'll take some more piccies of him later :Luv:
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so pleased he is gaining weight ;D
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Good news that he is gaining weight ;D Miss Boopy is sending him a little kiss and I'd like to send him a little stroke. Look forward to seeing the pics later.
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That is really good news Dawn - he is putting on the weight quickly now ;D
Big :hug: to Sean and Dawn
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Baby Sean is still doing well but he seems to be crying a lot so I'm not sure if Abigail is getting a little fed up of feeding him :sneaky: I've given him a top up feed this evening and I think I'll try and keep an eye on her with him. He's growing and looks bright but the motherly instinct may be wearing a little thin with her :tired: Here's a couple of piccies of the gorgeous little man :Luv2: :Luv2:
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How much does he weigh now?
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He looks like he is growing and maybe will be the spit of his mother, who is soooo gorgeous ;D
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He's gorgeous, looks just like my little ^^Gizmo^^ :'(
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bless him.
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How much does he weigh now?
I'll have to get a new battery for my scales :shify: He's doing okay but he's still doing a lot of crying bless him and I have to keep getting Abigail to lie on her side otherwise she just ignores him now :tired:
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Aww he is gorgeous :Luv: Was there only him?
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CC read back a few pages as it got complicated, she had several prems in several labours and little Sean was the only one to survive with the help of Dawn :Luv: :Luv:
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Just wondering how is the little Abigail and tiny sean :Luv:
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OMG he is gorgeous :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Update on Abigail and Baby Sean
As some of you will know, sadly little Sean didn't make it :'( Abigail did her usual ignoring and not allowing him to feed, and I ended up doing top ups and putting him back in with her to try and encourage her motherly instinct again. I think she knew there was something not quite right with him and the fact she had aborted 3 times must have happened for a reason. These poor babies were obviously not meant to be, I was most gutted about baby Sean, for him to have lasted longer than the others and then for him to slip away was heartbreaking :'( :'( Abigail has coped well since all this happened and I think in some ways she was relieved. She has now put some weight on, and last week had her first season since giving birth so she will be booked in for spaying as soon as she finishes. She has settled down really well and has even started venturing upstairs to climb into bed for a cuddle. I think hubby has started to get a bit of a soft spot for her even though he's not really into Persians, he doesn't quite see the beauty that a lot of us see when we look at their little faces :sneaky: The good news is I may have someone interested in her once she's been spayed, so fingers crossed she'll have a forever home waiting :)
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Oh DD....I did'nt know about baby Sean.....RIP little one... :'(
Sending positive vibes for Abigail for finding a forever home! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I'm so sorry to hear about baby Sean - I really hoped he would make it! RIP little onw :(
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AWWW DD I'm so so sorry :hug: :hug: xx
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I think he protests too much Dawn. :sneaky:
I think he's a secret persian lover on the quiet - first Foofoo now Abigail................ ;)
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RIP Sweet Sean. :hug: :hug:
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RIP Sean, and fingers crossed for Abigail's home.
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RIP little one, so sorry Dawn :hug:
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I've got a definite home lined up for Abigail :Luv2: The only problem being the lady does have two other cats and I'm just hoping that she will be okay with them :shify: I think she will as she isn't too bad and I think it's a bit different here as there are so many.
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Good luck for her.
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Abigail is finally off to her new home, she was meant to be going today but the lady has builders in so she'll be going on Wednesday evening :) I will miss her a lot as she's settled in so well and is such a gorgeous girl, why do I have to get attached to the little blighters :sneaky: She has the cutest mush and is constantly sticking her tongue out :evillaugh: My hubby who is not a persian guy has got a definite soft spot for this little lady and I'm sure he'll miss having his little chats with her as well. At her new home she will be in the company of 2 gorgeous elderly Siamese girls, and since she's settled with mine, I'm sure she'll be okay. I will definitely get some piccies of her before she goes, as I've been a little lapse in that department lately and Candice will never forgive me if I don't :scared:
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well done Abigail (and Dawn!!)
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Yeees thats is great news, good luck Abigail. :hug: :hug:
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You need to get snapping Dawn - there's loads of Babes I want to see !! :naughty:
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Abigail went to her new home this evening :Sad Bye: She will be spoilt rotten :Luv: :Luv: The lady is lovely and Abigail explored every inch of the kitchen, dining room and utility room whilst I was there. She had something to eat, and seemed totally at home, I'm so pleased for this little girl and I'm sure she's going to be very happy in her new home :Luv: :Luv:
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and one more :Luv: :Luv:
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Aww bless her with her baldy bum :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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I might have known you'd be first to post :evillaugh: She is gorgeous though, do you think she is a long haired exotic, pics weren't bril but I was in a rush :shy:
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Another pretty girl :Luv: you aquired there Dawn-glad she has got a new meowmmy and loving home.
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I might have known you'd be first to post :evillaugh: She is gorgeous though, do you think she is a long haired exotic, pics weren't bril but I was in a rush :shy:
No - I think she's a gorgeous red tabby persian :Luv2:
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Aww bless them thats so sad.
RIP little Sean xxx :(
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Abigail is lovely and great news on her new home :)
:'( RIP little Sean xx
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What a lovely outcome for little Abigail :Luv: im so pleased she has a new home where she will be spoilt ;D R.I.P. little Sean sorry you didnt get the chance :(
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is it me, or is it 2009, not 2008 :Crazy:
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Well spotted Trigger ;D