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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: pappilon on October 29, 2007, 22:44:41 PM
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As some of you know the feral(Mr Tramp) has been visiting me for last 4+ years and he gets his meal here. for last few months he changed his time table and started coming after 3 am ?? Which made it defficult for me to spend time with him outside, :( i just made sure i stay awake or get up and keep checking to make sure he gets his food before foxes take it all :sneaky:, Well since last week he changed his time again and last few evening i stayed out with him and got close to scratch his head :Luv: so i thought yes now i can try to give him Stronghold, i know it wont help for fleas because he sleeps rough but worming, helps. but half way it burnt him and he moved away, so i ordered Panacur and Fenbendazole from vet uk and he simply refuses to eat the food or drink the cream if there is panacur inside??? I dont know how he can say :Crazy:
I havent tried the Fenbendazole granules yet , but was wondering since there are people with experiance with ferals is there anything else i can try? His tummy looks big and thats not good .... i appreciate it. :thanks:
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I hope someone can help cos he is gorgeous :hug:
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Get a drontal or Milbimax worming tablet cover it in butter and then wrap it up in a piece of ham !
Always did the trick with my Skaggy Cat (feral)
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He's gorgeous :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: I'd suggest the same as Michelle, Milbemax is probably the best to use as the tablets are really small so much easier to give. Billy hates being wormed and I usually dunk his into a lump of pate and then wrap it in his favourite meat which is ham or chicken.
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Thankyou sooooomuch, i go to my vet tomorrow after work to get some.
I really hope he takes it, once before i put tablets in his food which was terrine gourmet, but he managed to leave the tablet out!! ;D
Thats why i went for panacur liquid this time? :thanks: :hug:
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I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....he's quite a dainty eater for an ex feral :)
Mr Tramp is gorgeous btw :Luv:
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I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....he's quite a dainty eater for an ex feral :)
Mr Tramp is gorgeous btw :Luv:
So is MR TRAMP, he doesnt like ham! I am going to try what Michelle and Dawn suggested, butter and CK !
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I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....
What make is that please, the only one I know is Panacur and of course that does not cover the tapeworm related to the flea.
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Ela, I've just used Profender on Max, got it from the vets as he is a little monster with taking Drontal.
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Ela, I've just used Profender on Max,
Thanks but that would still be a difficult one for true ferals. (Those that you cannot get near.)
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Good point :shy:
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Panacur Favourites for Cats is a palatable wormer (VET UK have stopped doing them) but they are available here:
http://www.petvetcare.co.uk/acatalog/Panacur_Cat_Wormers.html
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Panacur Favourites for Cats is a palatable wormer
Unfortunately is is not effective against the tapeworm related to the flea
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Your doing well if you got half a stronghold on him ;D have you still got your fingers! It would help with fleas even tho he is sleeping rough.
If he has a favourite spot for snoozing you could spray there with indorex or acclaim.
Theres a tablet called capstar that will knock fleas down quick, it doesnt give continuing protection like frontline tho.
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Your doing well if you got half a stronghold on him ;D have you still got your fingers! It would help with fleas even tho he is sleeping rough.
If he has a favourite spot for snoozing you could spray there with indorex or acclaim.
Theres a tablet called capstar that will knock fleas down quick, it doesnt give continuing protection like frontline tho.
Yes but he has vey thick coat so i am not sure if half tube reached the skin, i had to do it while scratching him so while he was enjoying being scratched i managed squeeze the tube !! How big is the capstar tablets?? Heis very clever to somehow miss the tablets and eat the food!!!
Also since everyone is so hlpfull, is there anything like powder or....which helps his matted coat? Thanks
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Millys Mum, I dont know where he lives? Some times when he finish his food he stays for little while but usually he leaves after his food,
i am sure he stays in our road in some one back garden, sometimes i stand in the street and watch him going to one garden and then out again to the otherone :Luv:
Last week when he came at 7.30 AM i decided to follow him and find out where he stays , i thought i go and ask people if i can put some kind of pen where he stays ? I am really concern about the winter time, but as i was following him he just went to front garden of a house and under a caravan and sat there? :-: I waited for a while and he didnt move so i went back in the evening he wasnt there... So i still dont know where he snooz or stays/ :( :thanks:
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Could you leaflet the houses?
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Just thought -
A few months ago i got a chewy worm tablet for Rocky as he isnt good at taking tablets....
Now i cant think for the life of me what it was called, it was quiet large and brown in colour and he loved it (anyone know?)
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Thats a panacur favourite, it doesnt cover the flea tapeworm tho which is the most common type.
I would ask around the houses and see where hes going. You could also offer him something and feed him near to it, eg an old hutch and he may choose that. You can get heat pads that last some hours if he does take up residence.
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Sadly where he eats his food is in front of the building which is parking space and is not suitable to put any thing for him to move in to, its open space and the main entrance which people use all the times. There is no way that he follows me to the back where the garden is!!
AS going to houses and ask people, most of the buildings in our road has been converted to flats and the gardens are behind the buildings like ours, i doubt it that people even notice a cat coming and going unless they really care to look and if he is in some one garden that cares for cats why arent they feeding him? Thats the reason i wanted to find out where he lives first and then go and talk to people in that building to see how they feel about putting a pen or hutch ? I am not sure if i want to put leaflet in case he is in a place that they dont like cats and havent noticed him till now and thenit just make it worse for him :(, i know it may sound odd? :) :thanks:
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No I think you are right and he sounds like he has it all sussed out ;D
It would be lovely if he would sleeep somewhere warm and dry and supervised but I suspect that is not going to happen.
He is so hunky and lovely its sad that he cant bring himself to understand what a nice warm place is.
I vcan understand cos Sasa loves her creature comforts but she gets scared of nearly every thing and last night she wouldnt come back through the flap cos franta was in the kitchen, and she so badly wanted to come in.
I watch her little face and eyes and she scares herself about almost nothing, its so sad. I also watch her watching my hands and feet and if she thinks she is too close then she will move away.
Some cats have just had such a horrible life they cannot bring thenselves to trust even though they really want to. :'(
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You Know Gill Sasa sounds exactly like Phoebe! Last night at 1.30 she was out and i thought by now she surely wants to come in? So i went to the back garden and there she is :scared:, not moving becos PIPA :Luv: seating inside and hissing at her :sneaky:. As you said they had such a bad life or start that it takes them years to trust some one again.
Mr Tramp is different he just doesnt know any different :(, sometimes i just want to be able to pick him up and bring him in , clean him up and ..., but i really dont see it happening, sadly they cant say when some one means well, they only know to keep away from us , and i dont want to disturb his way of life in case he doesnt come back at least he gets a proper meal and some kind of tratments here, some times he even let me to put antibiotic cream on his wounds :Luv: :Luv: Every winter i just pray and hope that some how he manage to live through it. :hug:
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Pav, what area are you in? Isn't it possible to try and trap him and find a farm/stable home for him? At least that way he'll have somewhere warm to sleep at night.
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Dawn Pav is in inner London. The area is very urban, like where I am, nearest farms would be out Hertfordshire way. A trap may work Pav.
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not moving becos PIPA :Luv: seating inside and hissing at her :sneaky:
I know she's my "niece" but she's a right madam is Pippa.
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I may be able to get a placement sorted for him somewhere if that would be better for him. We have lots of farms/stables etc locally but the problem would be getting him down here but I could meet somewhere if that would help :shy:
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If Pav's up for it I'm happy to drive and meet you/someone halfway Dawn.
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I've got a trained farmer who I'm sure would take another babe or I have the stables that I still "owe" a couple of cats to :evillaugh: They are all monitored, well fed, have plenty of warm barns to sleep in and they use Uncle Sean for their vet so I get regular updates as well. I'm up for it if Pav thinks it will be better for him :)
I can get Sean to give him a full check up at the vets before he's rehomed as well to make sure he's okay :Luv:
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Because of his size we'd need a proper travelling crate for him so the could piddle and poop in the car and we could minimise the hours of driving stress for him, or we could sedate him?
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You have to be careful sedating just in case he has any unforeseen medical problems, it's not really adviseable. He should be fine in a large carrier if he's kept covered over and the journey is kept as stress free as possible.
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Will let Pav read this and then if she wants, will call her later and we can conspire ;)
I'm travelling all next week, so would either need to do this weekend (but may not be feasible to try trap him between now and then), or next weekend.
So Pavvy hun up to you.
Call me if you want to chat it out first.
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Next weekend would be better for me as I work weekends and I've also got to go over to Anglessey either Sat/Sun to pick my youngster up after work. If it's weekend, I would have to meet someone in the evening after I finish so if you don't mind travelling evening time :shify:
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I'm fine either way. The motor is going to see some action this month that's for sure. Up your way, then Supreme then T's. :evillaugh:
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Ruth regarding Phoebe and Pipa , i was just saying how nervous she is even with Pipa indoor behind the glass still she is scared.Its not Pipa's fault ;D . As i said before Phoebe even run when she sees a fly or bee ;). Pipa is a sweetie and cheeky :evillaugh:
Dawn i really appreciate the offer for MR TRAMP, the thing is i am concerned,what if he doesnt settle in a farm and try to come back and find his own place then he will get lost :(. He has been around here atleast for 4+ years, and two years a go when it was really cold he came in and sat with us just inside the flat and had his food and when i tried to close the door he ran away. Some times when i scratch his head he even purrs :Luv: and i just think is there a chance of him trusting me enough to move in??I dont see it happening, i dont know what do you think?
Ruth thankyou so much for offering to help , but let me think about it, i just dont know whats right, i dont see him as a feral anymore he is part of our family and i do care enough to stay awake night after night to see he comes and get his food but i know that is not enough becos the older he gets its harder for him to survive the cold winter :(
You knowi have had strays rehomed before with the help of mayhew, but when i asked them in june to trap him and they said if he test positive for FIV he will be put to sleep, i just cant do it. May be i am being selfish but i think if he is not well he might come here and i can help him? And i know that is not the way to deal with this....So if you give me some time please.
Tonight i managed to give him the worming tablet wraped in butter and ck, but his coat doesnt look good? :thanks: :hug:
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Hun, whatever it is you want to do. You know best what Mr Tramp is like. Maybe others have some other suggestions. But sleep on it. Offer is there if you want it and I am sure Dawn will say the same.
As for Pippa, she's not just cheeky, she's naughty!! Little Madam. Phoebe will learn Pippa is all talk and no action soon. :evillaugh:
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What I would suggest is trapping him and getting him to the vets for a once over and ask them to dematt him whilst he's in there. Has he been neutered do you know? If you can get a dog cage, with litter tray etc and possibly keep him indoors for a while until he associates your place as home, maybe he'll start coming in :Luv: There's no rush anyway, if you decide you want to try to get him somewhere else, my offer still stands. What I would do initially anyway is suss out his temperament, you may find once you've actually got him indoors, he'll be a cuddle monster.........he does have that look about him :Luv: :Luv: If you decided to rehome, and he was "too nice" to go as a farm cat, he would be rehomed somewhere that is suitable to him. I took Dudley on, he came from a farm and was a little horror......he actually broke another cats leg :Crazy: :Crazy: I brought him here to keep him out of the way whilst I tried to trap the injured one and he is still here :evillaugh: I did get a home offered at the farm up the road from me but I had a little bit of a soft spot for Dudley even though he does have an evil side to him ;) He has now settled down brilliantly, lives mainly outside as this is where he's happiest but comes back for food and shelter when he wants to
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I just want to say thankyou , i can arrange to get a trap and i spoke to my vet few months ago about him and my vet said i can call him any time and he will get to surgery to take him in , becos i was concern not to keep him too long in a trap!
Dawn did you mean to keep him indoor straight away after visit to the vet? What if he doesnt settle in a carrier? Do i let him go?
I know his temperament around other cats is fine , he never fight with boy or the others around , even when is feeding time he just seat under the car and wait :Luv: I saw him few weeks ago eating with the fox next to him and he wasnt bothered, the same night i saw the other stray attacked the fox :sneaky:(Poor foxy must be confused) :Luv:
In November i will take some times off work, and i will start with traping him and then we see how it goes :) :thanks: :hug: :hug:
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Hun, whatever it is you want to do. You know best what Mr Tramp is like. Maybe others have some other suggestions. But sleep on it. Offer is there if you want it and I am sure Dawn will say the same.
As for Pippa, she's not just cheeky, she's naughty!! Little Madam. Phoebe will learn Pippa is all talk and no action soon. :evillaugh:
Well i think Pippa should be naughty, she is just a baby and i love her little face looking out late at night thinking what am i going to do now? When her meowmy is in bed thinking Pippa is fast sleep!!!Phoebe has to learn if she wants to use Pippa's garden then she has to come to some arrangement with her.Bless xxx she is addorable.
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Dawn did you mean to keep him indoor straight away after visit to the vet? What if he doesnt settle in a carrier? Do i let him go?
Yes, I would try him in a dog crate. I did this with Boris when he first turned up here, I had him neutered and kept him in a dog cage for a few days with litter tray and food and he soon settled down. If Mr Tramp hasn't been neutered, he'll have to be kept inside overnight anyway so see how he gets on. They tend to settle okay, I would just part cover the cage up with a blanket and keep him in a quiet spot until he gets used to it and I'm sure in no time he'll be wanting cuddles ;)
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Mr Tramp sounds neutered to me cos he seems to get on with other cats and if his coat is looking sad now , I reckon he might be smelling a bit if he was unneutered.
I know that you said that something spooked him a while back and he disappeered for a while. Maybe I just a scaredy cat but I am not sure I would want to upset his life until he shows more sign of doing it himself. Cats in London seem to me to be different from out here in the country.
I know you love Mr Tramp and you know him the best and will do for him what you think is best :hug:
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I think I would still give it a try. Most cats like Mr Tramp don't realise you are trying to help them and once this sinks in, they relish the attention. Lucas the FIV cat had quite a few people trying to get close and he was having none of it, he would run away frightened each time and yet when I trapped him and brought him home, he was a little sweetheart. He just didn't know how people were going to react to him, and that was why he was acting fearful. The guy who contacted me initially about him had admitted that on occasion he had scared him away as he'd attacked his cat so it's understandable that no one could get close to him. With the cold weather coming up, this may be the ideal opportunity to get him on side ;)
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Mr Tramp sounds neutered to me cos he seems to get on with other cats and if his coat is looking sad now , I reckon he might be smelling a bit if he was unneutered.
I know that you said that something spooked him a while back and he disappeered for a while. Maybe I just a scaredy cat but I am not sure I would want to upset his life until he shows more sign of doing it himself. Cats in London seem to me to be different from out here in the country.
I know you love Mr Tramp and you know him the best and will do for him what you think is best :hug:
Dawn i agree with you that he doesnt realise i am trying to help him, but what made me hesitate to trap him is what about if i take him to the vet have him dematted and .... but then he doesnt come back ? It took him more than 2 years to trust me and get close and then being trapped and streesed it might upset him, as Gill said out here it seems to be different and all these years i treated him like mine ! If i dont put his terrine cat food,or ck out he simply wont eat which is my wrong doing? Thats why i dont think he can be placed in a farm . I want him to have a choiceof indoor access and a warm bed but at the same time i stand there and watch him and think may be is for best not to disturb his way of life??? After all he has managed all these years, how can i say whats best for him? Please dont take me wrong , thats why i ask how i should worm him and i ask for advice, becos i do love and care for him .I am going to
think about this for a little while. !! Thankyou
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Get a drontal or Milbimax worming tablet cover it in butter and then wrap it up in a piece of ham !
Always did the trick with my Skaggy Cat (feral)
I was going to say Milbemax in a piece of chicken. Milbemax as it is smaller than drontal, and the taste doesnt come out when it is broken.
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Gail i managed to give him the tablet(Milbemax) last night wrapped in butter and ck :) I think it was the butter which did the trick ;D
Thanks every one for the advise. :hug:
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Thats good that he took the tablet, he does look lovely, good luck on what you decide to do will be thinking of you both :Luv:
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I spoke to my local rescue and they will let me have their trap, so i decided when i have my time off i am going to set it up and see if he gets in before other visitors !! ;D
I will take him to my vet to have what ever necessary and make sure he stays there over night, but i am still not sure about bringing him indoor and leave him in a dog cage since i dont have a quite spot? My bedroom hasbeen taken over by Phoebe :) and boy has got the rest of the flat.
But i think at least if he is treated and is in a better condition then he might have more chance out there and he even might see that no harm has come to him and chooses to come in himself :Luv:
I will keep you updated once all this is done :Crazy:, and :thanks: again to every one for the advise. You are great :hug:
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Pav, Boy is very chilled out and I figure at worst Mr Tramp can be in the corner of your living room maybe with a screen around him so that he's not annoyed by the site of Boy? My sis can give ideas too if you need them, you know she loves the diy stuff ;)
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Ruth lets see how things go? To night around 7 as i went out to see if he has come he was there and next thing he came to me! Meowing and rubbing his face to those gasmeter boxes, so i sat and he kept putting his head in my hand so i srtarted scratching his ear and head and he tried to purr :Luv: but it was like heavy breathing as if he has cold? I dont know how to explain , so i came in and got him food and treats and boy's brush and i managed to go through his coat its really in a bad condition i managed to brush him but its badly matted and when he started to eat he didnt like me to brush him any more, he finished his food but wouldnt go as he usually does, so i sat with him and he just wanted me to touch him and i started going through his coat with my fingers ,for last 2 hoyrs i have been with him and if i had help i could have easily pick him and put him in a carrier, well i came in and left the door open hoping he might come but he is gone.
I am going to call work and take tomorrow off and go to get the trap and see if i can do it between tomorrow and sunday?
I dont think he is well, his tummy look huge and i think now that he let me get so close its the best time to catch him. Lets see what the vet says first. Thanks xxx
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Bless him, I really hope he's okay :ahh: Let us know how he gets on and you have my number now if you want to bell me for a chat, xxxxxxx
Ideally if he's not too good, it would be worth trying to get him indoors until he's at least better.
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I'll be round Saturday hun, to see my sis, and the other sis is coming round too. Between us we can try see if we can temp him during the day, and if not the evening. I'll hang around to help out ok? :hug:
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PS: did my sis tell you what she got home to today? Pippa discovered the toilet paper and pulled a whole brand new roll off the roll... a nice pyramid was waiting for her when she got home :evillaugh: Terror. No wonder Phoebe gets stressed by her!
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If you have a top loading carrier, this may be easier to get him in ;)
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Bless him, I really hope he's okay :ahh: Let us know how he gets on and you have my number now if you want to bell me for a chat, xxxxxxx
Ideally if he's not too good, it would be worth trying to get him indoors until he's at least better.
OH Dawn defenetly if he is not well or he needs to be on medication then i will keep him in, i do have the carrier which opens from top its the old wired one i had to ask rescue to let me keep it becos of Phoebe , there was no way she get or any one can put her in a normal one!!!! Thankyou xxx
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I'll be round Saturday hun, to see my sis, and the other sis is coming round too. Between us we can try see if we can temp him during the day, and if not the evening. I'll hang around to help out ok? :hug:
That would be great , thankyou so much. I even asked Jane tonight if she is around to help??? I know...
But if you help then i wont need the trap, i get it tomorrow just in case .xxx
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Yes get the trap anyway so we have some chance ;)
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Good luck with him.
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oooh yes Ruth, i heard your sis talking to Pippa earlier on ;D it sounded serious ;) (naughty girl), Pippa's respond was :innocent:., and then she told me what happened , i said its ok Pippa is only a baby and there are worse things she could do like climbing the curtains :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
And then your sis went to make sure Pippa eats her dinner :Luv:
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I do hope Mr Tramp is OK :hug:
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I would let him go in the trap, if you try to pick him up and he struggles and escapes you may lose your chance ;)
He can be transported to vets in it aswell
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Yes MM i am going to collect the trap tomorrow morning, the only problem is i went to my vet today and he will be there only on sunday he is the one who said he will come in at anytime to take him in, i was told if i catch him tomorrow and dont want to wait till sunday then i can take him to the joining vet which works with them called all pets? But i dont want to becos i have a very bad experiance with the vet which was on call last year xmas time when he PTS my DD :(, I pefer my own vet.
The only problem is lf i have to keep him in a trap over night the litter tray wont fit in there?
Also tomorrow is the fire work night so he even might not come :Crazy:
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The only problem is lf i have to keep him in a trap over night the litter tray wont fit in there?
I have found with my trap that a kitten litter tray will fit inside and I usually put a blanket in one end as well. If you do put a blanket in etc, be careful and only pull the end up slightly otherwise he'll escape. Good luck, I'm keeping everything crossed that you manage to get him, xxx
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One more question? Do you think if i put serene-um drops in his food it might calm him down a bit?
I ordered it last week for Phoebe but hasnt tried it yet?
Also tonight i managed to brush him again, but then while he was eating this ginger cat called Flyn came to share his food(Flyn was adopted from the same rescue i got Phoebe, thats why i know him. Also he lives in a different area but he is always around here??) , so he disturbed everything...... >:(
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One more question? Do you think if i put serene-um drops in his food it might calm him down a bit?
Pass, but I do know that people have had sauce's by putting about 4 drops of Bach's Rescue Remedy in the drinking water.
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Thats a panacur favourite, it doesnt cover the flea tapeworm tho which is the most common type.
I would ask around the houses and see where hes going. You could also offer him something and feed him near to it, eg an old hutch and he may choose that. You can get heat pads that last some hours if he does take up residence.
I havent managed to trap MR TRAMP yet , but a neighbour called me last week at work telling me how she has found this beautifull home to put out side for her cat in summer and the way she discribed it i thought putting this out i wont be upsetting others!!? So i asked her to order one for him. Today i have the home i dont know how i can encourage him to get in to it but mean while can you tell me where i can buy heath pads, it just may work if he realize its a nice warm place to snooze when no one is around and then i can think of traping him?? Thankyou.
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Pavvy try the snugglesafe pads for him. Was this J over the way? Did she buy a katkabin finally?
I bought one for Lexy at Pets at Home, but maybe other sites like Zooplus will have some you can order?
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It may be worth putting his food just inside the doorway and he maybe think ;D this is alright and move in :Luv: When I was trying to encourage Tiger to use his kennel and Wendy house, I used lots of Catnip spray and nice fleecy blankets. I used to also put bits of chicken etc, things I knew he couldn't resist just inside the door way so he had to go inside to get it. It took him a while to realise this was all for him but he got there in the end :Luv2: With the heated bed, you can either buy a heated one or use a Snuggle Safe, these stay warm for I think up to 8 hours so may be ideal for him. I hope you manage to get him soon bless him :hug:
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Thanks, i am going to put the food right outside the house and i have sprayed feliway on the beddings,last night he didnt come it was raining really hard and if its wet tonight and he comes i have to feed him under the car, i am not sure if it works there are few cats around here at nights and if one of them take over the house then there is no chance he moves in, but lets see.
Yes Ruth, it was J, its not a cat cabin its just a wooden small house looks like small version of a guinea-pig pen :-:, but in front has small entry.
its perfect becos as you know its not much space outside the flat, it seemed like a good idea .
I just went to zoo plus site but they dont have any snuggle safe or heated beds? I am going to try the pet shop tomorrow to see if they can order for me.
Boy is been very sick , and i have to take him back to the vet so i have to sort out the heating tomorrow ;), Thankyou for the advise. :hug:
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Well the house is not as good as i thought , i went to check it earlier and its wet inside :-:, The rain gets in to it, so i dont think its suitable for him or others. sigh.
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Thats a shame - is there any way you can insulate the roof and sides a bit?
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Pav knock at my sis's. You know she'll have an idea how to make it sound.
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I wonder if you got some of that roofing stuff and cover it completely with it, top bottom sides and back, making sure all over laps are in the right place, that should do it.
You would have to make dur you dry it our first though.
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Well the rain gets in becos of the front where the door is suppose to be, but i cant put the door then he cant get in?
J my neighbour brought a brick and left it undernrath and long wood, dont know why? I am useless in DIY :-[, i am going to ask her later what is suppose to do?
Its pouring down out , even under the cars are wet so i dont think he comes tonight aswell :(, i try to sort something tomorrow or ask Ruth , sis to help she is really good with these things.
I am going to put some blanket in for tonight in case. :thanks: every one
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Oh yes I forgot about the door grrrrrrr, a cat flap would be the answer but that wouldnt work.
I wonder where he goes when its wet like it is?
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Gill he stays under the caravan parked only nine doors away from us, i followed him one morning and then went back few times,he lives there :(
last week we went and put some carbord and small carpet under the caravan and last night my neighbour helped me to make a bed out of fruit&veg box with some water proof blanket which is used for picnic and a towel and we left it there for him , so it might protect him a bit from the cold, and we can change it every few days but we have to do this when is dark, so the people wont notice. I am not sure if the people in that house like cats or not, i know they feed the pigeons , there are so many in their front garden and MR TRAMP has a perfect view , i guess he watch them all day :) Bless him.
I just went and sprayed cat nip in the little house and left some dry food, he might come later :wish:, just want to get him through the winter.
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My my what a sad home he has but to him its probably the best home he has ever had :(
Now he knows he also has a regular dinner and a human who looks after him, even if he doesnt quite understand. I am so pleased you care about Mr Tramp cos he makes me feel quite sad. :hug:
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I know its sad, one day i went to check and he was fast sleep on concrete and the tears just poured down my face , but i think the reason he has chosen this place is becos the caravan is parked there and seems it hasnt been moved for long time and becos is very low it wont get wet ,also no one can see him!
IT breaks my heart every time i see him thereand then my cats are living such a luxuary life, i just pray he moves in to this little house,
tomorrow i am going to get him some snuggle safe, i checked zooplus but they dont have any. :hug:
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Aww, it is sad that he is living outside, but at least he has humans looking out for him, feeding him and providing him shelter, they arne't all that lucky.
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Few weeks back i managed to get close to MR TRAMP and took few pictures i thought i post them, since he managed to go through this christmas cold and lonely :( but there is always next one to come so i thought is nice to remember how hard it is for cats like him out there.
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Awww Pav, that top piccie is a tear jerker, he looks so mucky bless him :'( :'( :'( I really hope this year is going to be a good year for him and you manage to coax him indoors :hug: :hug: I just so wish I lived closer so I could help you catch him :(
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I know Dawn, look at his back and front legs :( I always look at them and think they used to be white and clean but him living rough it changed to be brown and he does look mucky :'( I do wish some one with experiance could help me to catch him and show him that there is a good life out here, if only i could catch him! As you can see he gets so close sometimes that i can touch him and he sits next to me if i get to spend time with him . He even gets so comfortable at times he tries to sit on his side and be sweet and rolls on his back and purrs, he loves a fuss and he asks for it . I am hoping that once the weather is better i can spend time sitting on staires again and get back his trust , its so hard with my back problem to reach him under the cars , but i know i am to soft and i wont be able to get him to traps.sigh...I feed him well and in order to catch him he has to be hungry to go to trap!I have tried for few nights and didnt work as you all know.
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Pav, I've emailed my friend and we'll see if we can sort something out for him. Ideally we need someone who has the patience of a saint and will stick it out til he goes in the trap. I'm sure they'll be someone experienced in your area that we can find. Leave it with me and we'll see what we can do. If we manage to trap him, and you decide to let him go somewhere else, I will take him for you and he can live out his days here. I have totally fallen in love with this little boy, and that top piccie just breaks my heart looking at it :'( :'( :'( I'm just pleased that he has someone like you out there looking out for him and making sure he gets regular meals, you literally are his lifesaver, if only he could see that :'( :'(
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Thank you Dawn, as i said in my pm i am more than happy to have him, Mr Tramp is gorgeous and i have been feeding him for last 5+ years but he does need help with his coat and eye and maybe more and i am preapare to cover all the costs and even if he doesnt settle in a home at least he can be released back in good health and condition and come back here for his food .
Lets talk later this week and i would wellcome and appreciate if any one can help me to catch him,in order for him to have a better life.
He does deserve a better life , they all do out there. :( :thanks: :hug:
Bless you.x
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My offer is still there to help. Besides we can make my sister make us loads of coffee while she watches us.
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Thanks Ruth. :hug: :hug:
Mr Tramp doesnt even get close going inside the trap, i set it for night after night here, he just sat under the car and watched the food. O nce he even left with out eating also as you know in the front we get disturb by people coming in and leaving the building.
Tbh i cant think right now, i didnt sleep at all last night.Let me take Boy today and see what happens and then may be if i get few hours sleep i can think more clear.
Last two nights he hasnt been around !
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aww, I am sure you will get something sorted for him Pav, he is lucky to have someone caring for him and making sure he has food and shelter.
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I figure Mr Tramp is a smarty pants and knows that right now you probably need to spend time with Boy, so he's visiting someone else. We can talk later when you're ready :hug:
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I think you are right Ruth.
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Mr Tramp is gorgeous and i have been feeding him for last 5+ years but he does need help with his coat and eye and maybe more and i am preapare to cover all the costs and even if he doesnt settle in a home at least he can be released back in good health and condition and come back here for his food .
Pav, I'm sure once he is caught, he would settle :hug: I just feel awful for him living outside in the cold, the fact he is letting you stroke him really says that he does want the human contact and with time and patience, he will realise what side his bread is buttered on ;)
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You have to see him Dawn. He is gorgeous. He has the most soulful eyes ever. :Luv:
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I'm even tempted to come over for a couple of days if I can sort something out :evillaugh: He is gorgeous and I fell in love with him as soon as I saw him :Luv: :Luv:
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You devil you! Can imagine we're going to have to ask for tea from neighbours a lot then :naughty:
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Mine's a cappuccino :innocent: ;)
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Good luck with trying to catch him. He really looks like a real loving cat :Luv:
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i also fell in love with him as soon as i saw him but think thay pav deserves him after all her patience and hard work with him.
i am sad about his pictures cos he is so beautiful and its so hard living outside. he must be a tough lil man but he needs more help now i think, he just doesnt understand.
i can imagine sasa just like him and then she was locked inside in a pen for over a year and now she is terrified of closed doors and not being able to get outside. her fur must have been very dirty when she was found cos she had to be cleaned up.
he is in the diary for christmas week 2008 and it says .....another cold and lonely christmas...........it makes me so sad to think of that.
i wish i knew the answer for mr tramp and pav knows him so well.
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i also fell in love with him as soon as i saw him but think thay pav deserves him after all her patience and hard work with him.
This is what we're hoping Gill that he can be trapped and he'll settle in with Pav and her babes, if not, my offer is there to give him a home.
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I just think he would not settle indoors and its almost cruel to stop him having access to the big wide world which he knows as home.
As you can see I am very emotional over Mr Tramp and I hate the thought of him losing his freedom, although I would love him to be able to choose to come into the warm if he wanted, just like Sasa.
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No one will know that until he's caught. I get a lot of cats in that have spent their lives on the street and believe me, most do not want to go back to it once they've sampled life curled up on a sofa, having food on tap and a nice warm bed to sleep in. I don't think I've had any in that have been eager to get out again apart from the younger ferals and even they all come back in again now. I have the odd ones here that have been here a while and I do let them out now and again late on when I know the cars have stopped going up the lane, they are usually brought back in again before I go to bed apart from the odd little monkey who will decide they want to stay out. So if they are determined they want some freedom, they have it but as I've said, most don't even bother.
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I get a lot of cats in that have spent their lives on the street and believe me, most do not want to go back to it once they've sampled life curled up on a sofa, having food on tap and a nice warm bed to sleep in.
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George barely left the garden after we sorted out his ears and neutered him :Luv:
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Hi, Mr Tramp turne up last night after 3 nights missing :scared: It was early aroun 8 pm and he was starving so i decided its time to show him where the little house is that i got him and Boy using it aome times :Crazy: So i left the food in front of the little house and came in and few min later there he was eating and i thought its a good time to sort his coat since he is out and not under a car so i got my scissors and comb and managed to cut all his matted coat on his side but not near his tail, cos i have to be carefull not get to close to his skin and last night he kept moving and going between my legs and trying to purr :) I spent 45 min out there till this dog started barking and it scared him and he left but i am glad i managed to sort one side for him it makes him feel better , i hope he comes tonight and i can clean his eye and give him his worming tablet, but after all he showed no interest in the house, i guess it scares him to go inside !
I have to say i hate it that he sleeps out there in cold and under cars and caravan but he doesnt know any different and i dont have the heart to keep him in a cage till he get use to it and my place is not big enough to seperate him in a cage for long and i have thought about this long and hard, i some how think even he loves the fuss and let me get close and he even purrs but he has been out there for too long to come around and stay indoor but then i may be very wrong, they always surperise us, anyhow i had to take the trap back to mayhew , they asked for it!
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I am so pleased that Mr Tramp came back and had some food and you were able to deal with some of his coat ;D..........would you like to come and start on Misa :rofl: :rofl:
I wonder if the little house scares him cos it smells of other cats or because he is just scared of being trapped in there? Oh I wish cats could talk and help us help them.
You must have been frozen last night cos it was so cold :hug:
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:).
I think it scares him to go inside the house, strange enough he doesnt mind other cats and even seen him eating next to foxes but the dog barking scared him.
It was cold and my face and hands were numb after a while but wanted to make the most of it, his coat worries me a lot but i am sure with time i can sort it and make it better.did you see the pix i posted how brown is his little paws :( I just want to pick him up and clean his little paws and brush him and make him feel better, but we know cant be done. I just dont want to scare him off maybe one day he trust me enough and just walk in to my flat. :Luv:
I wonder how old he is?
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I think he will eventually trust you Pav he is coming round you and purring. He knows that you are helping him but wish they would understand what we want them to do sometimes.
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Dawn,as i mentioned while a go the only thing worry me about him coming to you or even a different home is cos he has been around here for so many years and he might leave the new place trying to get back and then get lost, i have known of cats going missing and get lost trying to find thier original home though he doesnt have a home but its his territory here.But thankyou for the offer of taking him. :Luv: :hug: :hug:
I love to get some help to trap him sort him out and then release him back here and then give him the choice if he wants to move in.
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If the weather would just get warmer I reckon he will trust you, he seems to love you very much, as he trusts you as much as he does. ;D
I reckon its just a matter of time and as long as nothing happens by accident to break the trust.
How long have you known him for?
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I can understand you worrying Pav :hug: I've taken lots of cats in from all types of backgrounds and luckily I've not had any wanting to escape or disappearing to get back where they came from. George had been living rough for about 8 years, he settled in here in no time at all and we've had him about 5 years, old Oscar was 16 when I took him in and he also settled fine, he'd always been a farm cat and living outdoors and within days of him moving in, he was snuggling up on the bed with us. All cats are different but I honestly think given a chance indoors he would be fine. I know you would feel cruel putting him in a cage but the dog cages are usually a lot bigger than most rescues have for their cats. He would probably only need to be in it a few days just until he's recovered from his vet visit and settled down abit. You find with a lot of cats, they react totally different outdoors and quite a few that I've had, when people have first contacted me, they have described them as feral as they've not been able to get near them. When I've trapped them and brought them home, most have been cuddlebums, Lucas, Biscuit and Freddie were all exactly the same and recently Willow. I just think a few days in a cage this will make all the difference with your relationship with him and will make for a happier future for him, and hopefully he'll realise that life indoors with your brood is the best thing that's ever happened to him. It's your decision and I'm not pressuring you but just trying to make you see, this might be what he needs to make that breakthrough with him, if after a few days he isn't happy being indoors, then release him :hug: :hug:
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If the weather would just get warmer I reckon he will trust you, he seems to love you very much, as he trusts you as much as he does. ;D
I reckon its just a matter of time and as long as nothing happens by accident to break the trust.
How long have you known him for?
Gill i have been feeding Mr Tramp and trying to look after him for last 5+ years.
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So you know he is probably over 6 at least then ;D
I am sure you are getting close to a breakthrough :hug:
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Mr Tramp is back :wow: It was Monday night when i went out to leave the food for foxes and saw this little face under the car waiting :shocked:
I took him some food and he was starving , i stayed with him but every time i got close he :shocked:got scared and went further under the car so i left him and thought he is not going to come back, but he came back tonight i didnt want to scare him so left the food for him and came in, on Monday i got the chance to look proper and his face and eyes look really well but his coat is bad he has bald patches on his right side :(
Last time he was here was in October and by January i was sure i will not see him again, in last 7 years he disappeared twice for 5 or 6 months and back again! I just wonder why he goes away for so long and where? I am sure he is not staying with some one , so what makes him disappear? This time i thought it was because of Flyn my neighbour cats because Flyn was always out and chasing him to take his food and Mr Tramp never fights with other cats, but what about the other times :-:
Well now that he is back and some how survived the cold winter, i am going to try again and see if i can catch him, i will call Mayhew tomorrow to ask them if they have a trap free and see if this time i have more luck with him, poor little guy.
For the oneswho dont know Mr Tramp here is his picture, he is gorgeous :Luv:
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Oh Pav, I am so pleased Mr Tramp is back, never thought that would happen :hug:
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Yeeha I am so pleased to hear he is back. Hope you manage to trap him Pav
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I am glad he is back, and fingers crossed for catching him this time.
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Great news!!!
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Fab news! :wow:
Sending positive trapping vibes~~~~~~~ ;)
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;D Pav I've only just seen this, I am soooo pleased that Tramp has come home again you must be so relieved, best of luck with trapping :hug:
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Fantastic news, i have everything crossed he lets you help him this time, you must be so pleased ;D ;D
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How is Tramp Pav? hope he's still with you :hug:
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I missed Mr Tramp's return. I do hope you'll be able to help him, Pav.
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Thanks for asking Janey, sadly in last 10 days he has come only 3 times which makes it very hard for me to even try and catch him :(
I had the trap for 4 days but then had to return it.
He used to come every night at the same time but for some reason he is not coming regularly, i wonder if its too many cats around? I know is not the foxes stopping him cos i have seen them eating together under the car :) So at the moment i check every night and if he is there then i make sure he gets plenty to eat , and hope that he starts coming every night again so i can try and catch him. :-:
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It is odd but I can see the problem you have. He must be going somewhere else too, wonder where? our ferals are always about but sometimes I won't see one of them for a week or so I don't worry too much because 3 of us, myself, neighbour and lady a few doors up care for them so I guess he'll be at one of the theirs - or maybe a house we don't know of. Good luck with him anyway and let us know how you get on :)
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Mr Tramp must have another hideaway, maybe its dryer and more sheltered than under the caravan,,,,,,,,,,,hope he is Ok :hug: