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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Desley (booktigger) on December 03, 2006, 15:32:18 PM
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Not happy with my little girl at the moment - she has taken to sleeping in the bathroom, and I initially thought it was cos of the rad, until I watched her try and get on the bed last night and fail - she doesn't try again, she just walks off. So, I put her on the bed, and have adjusted the quilt to help her. Just given her a good groom, and her shoulders are looking really prominent, and her hips and spine slightly so so I want to get her weighed. Have also just noticed that she has had hardly any fur growth from her trip to the emergency vets, which is nearly a month ago - and she is fighting me to check as well, not sure why, could just be her being her usual temperamental self, or could be uncomfortable. I really really hoped that she didn't have to have any more vet visits this year, but obviously not!!
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just noticed that she has had hardly any fur growth from her trip to the emergency vets, which is nearly a month
I would not be to concerned about that aspect as I have loads of cats that seem to take forever, yet others that grow back almost in front of your eyes.
However, the others things you mentioned that are a a worry for you I understand
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Oh Desley I dont know what to say :(- I hope she picks up soon shes such a lovely girl :Luv: xxxxxxx
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Ela, any other cat and I would agree, but not with Pebbles - this is at least the 4th time she has had bits shaved, and the rest have all done really well, so it is another odd thing with her - even the vet says she is odd, we have both thought there must be something underlying with all her issues, yet every test has come back negative, and I dont think there is much else they can test for!!
Thanks Emma - I just can't believe we are having weight issues again, this is nearly 2 years of them now, and while most cat owners get to go to the weight clinic with overweight cats, yet again, I get to go with an underweight cat!! She is still acting out of character, so shall be ringing the vets tomorrow.
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Good luck with vet visit. I guess she is eating OK? I always found the fur took a long time to grow back, Kockas used to grow quick but Franta and Ducha takes for ever.
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I am more worried about her today, they had coley for tea last night, and she didn't touch hers, I had to take that and her biscuits downstairs at 10.30 cos she hadn't come back upstairs, and found her still downstairs this morning, I had to entice her upstairs and then take her brekkie to her. Fingers crossed the vet can see her asap. Her fur has never taken this long to grow back though.
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Des, I keep all fingers, and my lot all their paws crossed for you and Pebbles.
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Poor Pebbles. Hope it turns out to be nothing serious,
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WEll, we have an app at 5.20 tonight - the reluctance to walk up the stairs is a worry, and she did struggle with the first step, and took a couple of goes to do them all. And the fact that she will only eat when I bring it to her - not like her.
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I'm keeping everything crossed that she's just being temperamental Desley, and that there's nothing wrong with her - you've both been through so much this year, lets just hope she's feeling a little bit off colour and that's why she's acting out of sorts.
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WEll, she doesn't have a temp, but is slightly dehydrated and was waay to quiet at the vets!! She has only lost a small amount of weight whcih is good. Vets have given antibiotics and anti-inflamms, but with something on her poo sample (teh one I cancelled!!), she is now wondering if she has chronic pancreatitis - she is convinced there is something underlying with her, but she has been tested for so many things that there isn't a lot left!! Apparently, there isn't a conclusive test in the UK for it, she is going to check her notes from the last cat conference on it tonight just to check if there is something she has forgotten, but doesn't seem to think there is much treatment for it. She has eaten well since getting home, but she is really struggling on her remaining back leg, whcih is a worry. Vet couldn't feel anything wrong with it though, will monitor that and see if I think she needs to go back about that.
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Aw poor thing. Hope the anti inflammatories and antibiotics do the trick and she shows some improvement soon. Good that the vet couldn't find anything particularly wrong with her though (I think!).
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Im sure its Panzym that helps with Pancreatitis.
Hope she picks up soon
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Poor Pebbles and she was doing so well after the op. I do hope she picks up :hug:
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I know Gill - but the vet has always thought there was something underlying, its just that with all the tests she has had this past 2 years, nothing has shown up. Not having too good a morning, she acted like she wanted breakfast, and then walked away, so I have put her in the bathroom with a plate of a/d, a bowl of dry (she likes that, but she was slightly dehydrated, so not the best thing), water and a tray - she isn't bothered being shut in there fortunately. Not looking forward to getting the antibiotics down her tonight though!!
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Not a good day today, she has barely touched anything, so I will have to ring the vet tomorrow (didnt get back from the docs in time to ring tonight). She is on my bed now but still no interest in food, she will eat one biscuit then lose interest, although she will eat more if I tip it out or offer it to her. I am feeling a bit dejected about it really, and am wondering if it is just feeling poorly that is making her not want to eat, and whether the meds will help (got her tablet down her with little probs), or whether she has had this for a while, and has had enough.
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Awww, Des, I'm sorry :(
Is she any better with wet food than dry?
If you'd like to try her on it we bought some Applaws kitten today - I could do a bit of a 'meals on wheels' for her.
As long as she's not utterly miserable it's worth giving the new meds a try.
Hugs to both of you.
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She is worse with wet -she wolfed the first lot of a/d down, then ignored the second lot, ate the first lot of HiLife tuna and ignored the second lot, and preferred to lie in the HiLife salmon this morning!! She will eat dry, but it is a couple of pieces then she sits pondering before eating any more. My main concern with her eating dry is that I Can't see her drinking, and there is no evidence of the water level going down when she is isolated - I did syringe fluids into her this morning, but she is a nightmare for it, and I would be surprised if she had half of it!! I wouldn't say she is utterly miserable, she shows interest in food until you put it in front of her. Will have to see waht the vet says later.
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I'd missed this somehow. Oh dear, poor Pebbles - you must both be so fed up of all these vet visits - I hope it proves possible to find out exactly what's going on with her...
Fingers crossed for later.
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Des fingers crossed for the visit with Pebbles. Maybe she has the SAD Winter syndrome and wants some warm sun. Re the drinking try cat milk our kids love it and we put that down when they are feeling yucky and they always lap it.
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Cheers guys. I had debated the cat milk Liz (I always have it in), but she didn't like it last time
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She has drank since I got home, and I went to Asda purely for some Gourmet Pearl food for her - the stuff that she always eats when seh is feeling ill, and she has eaten some of it, whcih is excellent, and come downstairs and seemed a bit better in herself. The vet said that if she still isn't better by tomorrow to drop her off for the day, but she doesn't want to do bloods just yet.
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Hi Desley. Been catching up with threads and am sorry to see poor Pebbles has had to go back again. I hope she's showing signs of imrovement this morning.
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Thanks Sue - found her sleeping on the kitchen floor this morning, which is never a good sign, but she has show interest in going out, and I have got her to eat something, although she will only eat her wet if I hand feed her, and only her dry when you keep showing it to her. Think I will just get an appointment for them to see her tonight rather than leave her there all day, she has drank water and eaten wet, and I can't see signs of dehydration anymore.
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Yep, I can understand your reluctance at leaving her at the vet all day. At least she's eaten something, bless her. Am sending you both a little hug to keep you going
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Keep Smiling Desley - Im thinking of you :hug:
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Any news Desley? Did you take Pebbles to the vet this evening?
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I did, and it was a bit of a mixed visit really. Vet thinks she is looking better, but still miserable, and her tummy is still sore, but bloods and x-ray done a month ago showed nothing, but she did say that certian things like tumours wouldn't necessarily show up on an x-ray. She has given her a jab, and given me some stronger meds tomorrow, but wont commit to a prognosis either way, she has just said we will have to see how she is after these meds - which is exactly the same as Snowy. The main problem with Pebbles is that she is such a difficult cat, a lot of the things that they can do to try and help her feel better would require sedations (Which I wouldn't be happy with, she has had waay too many this year), and put stress on her, which is something that needs avoiding with pancreatitis, so we have limited options as to how to treat her. She has eaten more today, but I am not getting too optimistic about it, esp not seeing as some of what she has eaten was after a jab at the vets, and the fact that she isn't getting most of the antibiotics, she is fighting more now and that results in her foaming at the mouth - again, so similar to Snowy.
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Oh dear. I do hope that the stronger medication is helpful. I know just how awful it is when they won't take tablets and confess that I actually get our catsitter to come round and help me when we need them as Blip, likewise, simply will not take them willingly and won't be fooled by any of the usual ploys.
Fingers crossed for Pebbles.
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Me too Christine, and that this clears up - not sure how well it will if she wont take meds - teh stronger stuff is liquid to syringe into her mouth - although not all the 5ml of water I syringed into her yesterday worked!!
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Desley, Felix and I have fingers,toes and paws crossed that Pebbles feels better very soon, thinking of you,Claire.
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Thanks - have tried to pick her up to bring her upstairs, but gave up after being bit 3 times. Not sure if that is a good sign or not really!!
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Des Finally had time to catch up on some threads and i soo sorry for both of you. You must be worried sick. :(
My love and and prayers are with you hun that ya find out whats aling Darlin Pebbles and she feels better soon. :please: :hug:
Has she settled down upstairs tonight after ya trying earlier?
Love to you both
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Thanks Tan - I am incredibly worried sick about this one. She did settle on the bed for a while, before going into the bathroom at some point, and she hasn't moved out of there yet. She has eaten a very small amount, but only with coaxing and me putting it in her bed - can't leave food there though, as seh has a habit of not noticing the food bowl is there and lies in it. I did get the painkillers in her though, and the anti-inflams are in her food, so hopefully she has eaten the bits that have it in. Even if she is acting loads better by tonight, I dont want to get my hopes up too much, as we only have one days' worth of strong painkillers, so I really dont know what will happen when she finishes her meds, her antibiotics are due to finish on Sat, but she hasn't had lots of them anyway, cos she has struggled with the last two days (I foolishly told the vet last night I would be fine for last nights tablet!!)
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Understand how worried ya feeling. It awful when you know she's not well and herself but the vets can't find out the solution to make her better. :'(
Do you feel the vet is doing everything they know? You must know them well with all your babes. I only ask cause when Rio was ill at 9weeks with running bum my pld vets tried everything they thought of and nothing was helping him. They were going to have him in on a drip if it didn't stop by the next day. I took a descion to get another opinion and the new vets cured him that day with Panacur!!! He had a tummy virus. Why the old vets didn't do that i don't know!!
Praying for her
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Hi Tan - yes, I am quite happy with my vets, I know from my own research that there is no pleasant way of diagnosing pancreatitis in this country (only nearly definite way is a biopsy, which I woudl't agree to), no treatment and no cure, and the old way of thinking on it can be dangerous, plus my vet only went to a seminar on it in Sept, and has checked all her notes for me. All you can do is treat the symptoms, which is why she is on painkillers, antibiotics and anti-inflams, to try and help her feel better to start eating. I nipped home at lunch, she hasn't eaten much, ignored me, and when I gave her some food, she moved for the first time - but only to get away from it. I am mroe concerned as to if what is making her ill is treatable, cos I dont want to put her through days of being miserable and in pain for no reason.
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Oh Des, I've only just seen this thread but am so sorry to hear how poorly little Pebbles is....I know she is in the best hands with you and will keep everything crossed that she starts to improve very soon. I hope it is nothing as serious as has been suggested.
Gosh, what a worry and after everything she has been through this year...poor little love.
I will pray to St Francis to look after her........
Lots of love to you both
Roz
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Thanks Roz. She is still barely moving, and has only eaten cos i have coaxed her - i had a scare when she moved away from the Gourmet Pearl twice, she never ever refuses it. Fortunately, I then put a piece near her mouth, so she tucked in, but still not eating normally, it is a bit then a break, and if I didn't put it so close to her and stroke her she wouldn't touch it. I dont want to persevere with coaxing her and getting meds into her if the outcome isn't going to be good anyway, but will have to wait till Mon for that, and I need to ask the vet waht the chances are that this is something more serious. She has come downstairs, but struggled getting back up them, so she is weak. She is also very wide eyed, hopefully from the meds, and she is purring very loudly and a bit too much for my liking. She is still enjoying a fuss, but only when you go to her.
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Des, How does Pebbles seem in herself? Is she sitting hunched up and depressed...or is she just quiet but still walking about and generally taking an interest in what is going on around her.....even if not particularly active?
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I'm sorry I can't be of more practical help, but fingers crossed for Pebbles, Desley. If it were me, I would definitely persevere with the coaxing to eat and the (unwelcome to P) medications but I know you know your Pebbles as far as all that's concerned.
xC
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IT took her an hour to get out of the bathroom, and within 10-15 mins she was back there, and hasn't moved since. I was sat on the landing with Shadow, and she watched me, but wouldnt get up. She hasn't used the tray today though, which isn't good. All week she has barely been moving, and when seh finds somewhere she likes, that is her there for hours and I suspect she woudl eat even less if I didn't put it so close - I cant leave it in her bed cos she keeps lying in the food bowls and not noticing - and not just once, it has happened most days (obv for seconds after the first time). She has her last antibiotic tomorrow, and then just Metacam till Mon when we are back at the vets, but I dont want to put her through things if she is very miserable and in pain - this has been going on since Sun (Thank god I feed all mine separately so I noticed it), and she has been on meds since Mon, so I think if no improvement by Mon, I will have to have a serious think.
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Oh Desley I feel so sad for Pebbles and you. I wish I knew of a way to help. I understand about what you said about her purring :'(
It would be wonderful if there was a miricle over the weekend and she suddenly perked up, all my thoughts are with you and Pebbles :hug: :hug:
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Thanks Gill, it means a lot. I have brought her into the bedroom (she did put up a fight, but I don't know if that is good cos she doesn't normally like being picked up, or bad because the vet did say her tummy was sore so it could be hurting her) and we are going to watch a film now. She has eaten some dry, but only cos I put the bowl under her mouth, moved it to type this and she isn't even looking for it. She isn't happy on the bed though, she wants to go back in the bathroom, which isn't good. I hope there is a miracle.
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Hi Des,
Many apologies but I've only just come back in since posting my last question. I'm wondering whether the fact that Pebbles is seeking solace in the bathroom is just because it is quiet or whether she is finding the moisturous atmosphere soothing. Has the vet checked her lungs? Often cats with fluid build up on their lungs/chest seek refuge in the bathroom because it helps them to breathe. I could go into why I mention this, but because it is only a thought, I won't elaborate any further for the moment....but it is worth consideration.
I shall continue to hope and pray for our dear little Pebbles' swift return to her old self.
Lots of love to you both
Roz
P.S. She isn't depressed about anything is she? Could she be missing Tom?
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Hi Des. I truly hope, given the time of year, a miracle or two can come the way of you and Pebbles. Thinking of you both.
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Hi Roz - the vet did listen to her chest and throat, and said her breathing was fine, and it was at the vets, but it is louder at home, but this is something that happens from time to time, the only explanation they have ever been able to give (seeing as chest x-rays were clear) is that she has had cat flu previously and it is from that. She has eaten well this morning, I dont want to get too excited though, as brekkie was an hour and a half late (just didn't want to get up this morning), and she is still on meds, so I think tomorrow and Mon are going to be the biggest tests, as she will only be on anti-inflams then. I would doubt depression, as pancreatitis does make them feel very miserable. She wont stay with me in the bedroom though, she will only settle in the bathroom - which in one way is good, at least I can shut her in there to be sure of what she is eating.
Thanks Sue.
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Aw Des - I didn't know Pebs was so ill. I so hope she starts to buck up - it may just take time for the medication to take effect?
Paws crossed
Hugs Archie, Poppy, Bella and the girls :hug:
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Thanks KElly. I am hoping it is just the meds taking time, but the vet would't give a timespan. Today will be the 6th day of antibiotics though. Have you got your e-mail?
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Yes I have - thank you :Luv: Just didn't expect it to have such an effect after only 2 treatments so its hit me quite hard.
I'll be at the rescue at similar time to you - really do hope Pebs will pull thru this one x
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No, I can imagine.
Will see you later hopefully. Thanks, me too - this is the 5th thing wrong this year alone, I dont know how much fight either of us have left.
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Just caught up with this and so sorry to hear that Pebbles is having a rough time but Desley I really think you need to try to cheer yourself up the last thing Pebbles wants is to see her mum so worried and unhappy.
Sending you both happy positive healing vibes.
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Thanks Teresa - I need to try, but have had such a bad week it has been unbelievable!! Last night was actually the best out of the lot!! Hopefully going to teh rescue and seeing nice cute kittens will help, and I need to ignore the majority of the housework and try and have a rest, I am just incredibly tired with everything this week - and last week wasn't a good week either!!
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Des I think you need to chill spend quality time with the furkids and just shut out the rest of the world for the weekend.
I feel a takeaway and a bottle of wine, maybe the order for you and lots of treats for the cats! We are planning on that this weekend and we have to pick up the takeaway as we are to far out for delivery!!!
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Des Great she has eaten this morning. Sending lots and lots of hugs and love for you all. :hug: :hug: :hug: :Luv: :blow kiss:
Both of you are in my prayers hoping she picks up this weekend.
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Desley, how is Pebbles this afternoon?
I really hope you are feeling more cheerful yourself too - sounds like you're down in the dumps, to say the least. My recipe is a spot of self-indulgence, whatever works best for you.
Look after yourself
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Would be nice - just a shame I have all 4 in different rooms!! Have had a real battle with her tea, she was on the stairs when I came home (late - oops!!), so I thought 'oh good' - she then struggled to get up the stairs, ended up lying in her bed cos her leg gave up, then wouldnt eat, so I left her in their while I fed Molly. She followed me in, sat watching Molly eat, so I got her food, and she wouldn't touch it, after two attempts (with her moving away in between), she wandered back into the bathroom, so I followed her back, and she would only eat when I then put it in her bed. But then she laid down when she had had enough and her tail ended up in her food - again. I think I am going to ask the vets to do bloods on Mon, unless there is a miraculous improvement (although her meds have finished now - she hardly got any antibiotics, which we knew was a possibility, I just thought that tabs would be easier than a paste), and if they show anything bad, and she is still not right, then I dont think it is fair to keep her going. I dont think it is fair now, she has been like this for nearly a week, with very little relief from the 6 days worth of meds - it is heartbreaking to watch her walking at hte moment, her remaining back leg doesn't seem very strong at the moment. And if the vet is right, she could end up with another bout of this in the future, but it could get worse, and she could already have had this for a while.
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Oh Des, I'm so sad to read that Pebbles is not feeling any better. I thought after reading your post earlier today that she was perhaps turning the corner.
I will be thinking of her and praying for her tonight.
Try to get some rest....just help her to feel warm and comfy wherever she feels that she wants to be and let Nature take care of her. Provided she has drinking water close by and a litter tray and lots of warmth and quiet, she should settle down reasonably happily for tonight....
Lots of love to you both
Roz
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I thought so too Roz - I gave them some supper a short while ago, and have heard eating noises from next door twice, but sadly it was Shadow wanting 'big girl' food!! We have had lovely cuddles tonight (although you can feel a bumpy spine with very little pressure, and her shoulders are still prominent, must get the vet to re-weigh her), but the fact that she has little interest in coming out of the bathroom isn't good, and she hasn't used the tray today, fingers crossed she will use it overnight though. She still has occasional body twitches, but wont be able to find out about those till Mon. She will be lovely and warm, as she is in front of the radiator.
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How are you both this morning?
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Breakfast was a bit of a struggle again, and she hadn't eaten much of her dry food overnight. She was more perky after the anti-inflams though, and just popped in to see her, and she is enjoying fusses more, but wont leave the bathroom to come and get more. Still not convinced that I am doing the right thing by trying to get her through this though, this started days short of a month after coming back from the emergency vets, and I dont want her to keep on having to go through this, esp not as she could be worse if this happens again.
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She is now biting when you touch her belly or her back leg, and not just a warning nip either. She has had her meds for today as well. I have just groomed her cos her fur wasn't separating and looking dull, it still doens't feel silky like normal though, and I am now wondering if there is something wrong with her teeth as she keeps eating odd, like she is shaking her head - with bits of food flying. When she does it with her biscuits though, she ends up dropping half biscuits and not bothering to find the other half.
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Oh Des Bless her. I hoped she would pick up yestereday. :'(
The vets have no idea whats aling her?? Will ya take her to them tomorrow?
All my love and hugs to you both will be praying here for her. :( :hug: :hug:
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I know - it is typical Pebbles though, that we have a good moment, and then back to not good. She has cleaned herself more than I have seen in the past week, but still biting me for trying to pick her up, and her third eyelids are a bit up - couldn't check for dehydration though cos she was still trying to bite me!! The vet can only think of pancreatitis seeing as bloods done a month ago when she had diarrhea were clear. All 3 vets that she has seen in the past 5 weeks have mentioned the possibility of tumours though - nothing showed up in the x-ray, but the vet said on Thurs that it doesn't mean there aren't any, they could just be too small. It would make sense with the diarrhea, and then this just short of a month after, neither have had a reason such as change in food, temp etc. She still has occasional body twitches too, so unless it all magically goes overnight, she will be there at 5.30 tomorrow. I hope that the vet will agree to more blood tests in case there is something else. Off to put the kettle on now to add hot water to her tea!!
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Oh poor little poppet. I wonder what is going on there. She still is eating a little though isn't she? Did she manage anything in the litter tray last night?
I would just try to make her as comfy as poss ible and leave her to rest....and take her to the vet tomorrow, as early as possible if you think she is suffering and in pain. I don't suppose there is any point in finding an emergency vet tonight is there? It might be an idea to ring one up and mention about the strange eating behaviour...maybe there is some reflux going on in her oesophagus.
Have you got any more anti-inflammatories..or any of Tom's Metacam about? I just wonder whether it would be worthwhile giving her a drop or two (but don't know how that might affect her if she has got pancreatitis?) if no more painkillers left.
Such a worry Des. Will keep everything crossed this end for the little sugarplum.
Lots of love to you both
Roz
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Thinking of you both.
Christine
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I have no idea with her anymore - she is eating, but not really good enough - she has only eaten some of her tea cos I keep coaxing her, if you get her eating biscuits and put the bowl back on the floor out of hte bed, she puts her head back down to go back to sleep. And it normally takes 3 goes for her to decide to bother with what you are putting in front of her. No sign of anything much in teh litter tray - have sent Shadow out of there twice though, so the wee in there could be from her!! Am going to go and have a bath now, hopefully that will help her. I dont think there is much point ringing the e-vets, I can't remember most of what the vet has given her - and the tests they did a month ago showed nothing. The anti-inflammatories she is on are Metacam, she has already had her two drops for today, and it is something I wont ever give more of. If she is no better in the morning, I might ring in and take her, but we do have an app for 5.30 tomorrow anyway. I really can't see what quality of life she has at the moment, hopefully the vets can say otherwise.
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just gone and sat with her again, and had a 'talk' with her, and she has eaten some more, but only when I have hand fed her, or taken things out of bowls and put on the bed, and she can't possibly eat enough to sustain her that way, with me working full time, and she obviously isn't feeling right if she wont get out of bed to eat.
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Poor lass, Des - has she responded to steroids at all with this problem?
I'm wondering if she's either experiencing some metabolic problem or whether it could be something neurological... I know bog all about feline or indeed human brains but maybe if something's not quite right it could stop her from feeling hungry?
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Oh poor Pebbles, I didn't know she was poorly - I thought this thread was about her nose condition.
I really hope she perks up soon, I know how worrying it is when they don't eat and to see a cat miserable is heartbreaking. I have soul searched a few times with Tiggy but I am lucky in the she has turned the corner each time. Will be thinking of you both.
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sending thoughts your way this morning Des. Hope Pebbles is feeling brighter
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I wish it was her nose Helen!! Nto sure if she has had steroids Becca, I honestly couldn't tell you what any of the three jabs she has had this week are!!
A very mixed morning - she hadn't touched most of her supper (although I gave her some treats before bed), but she had used the tray. Then I put her food in front of her and she seemed perky and showed an interest - but it lasted for all of two mouthfuls, then, after sitting pondering, she turned round and laid down. I had my shower, and could hear her breathing over that, have got more food into her, but only cos I have been rather persistant, it still isn't even half the half pouch though. Rightly or wrongly, I am going to stick with her app this evening, rather than try and make it earlier, I haven't had a good feeling about this since the vets suspected diagnosis, but now it has been a week of this, I just need a few more hours to get my head sorted - luckily my bosses are out this morning, so might be able to do some frantic googling in case there was something I missed in the 10 articles I read last week.
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For the last 3 to 4 years of Kockas life I had to hand feed her ad diet and that was her basic food until she died last year. She would also eat Hi-life Turkey and giblets pate and lick the jelly or gavey from pouches.
I reckoned if I could get nearly a tin of ad into her everyday I was doing well, she was still quite active up until we moved, except the last 3 months of the old place where we were both so stressed. When we went to Devon on the last Christmas she used to sleep 80% of time but was like a new cat going out on a harness and lead outside the farm house for two weeks. All was fine till we returned home for another month waiting to move. She went bakwards again in 24 hrs.
Basically the situation killed her and nearly me.
I think it really depends how Pebbles and you react to things. She is obviously very down and my own thoughts, which may be totally wrong is that she is unhappy about Shadow being there and just wants more time from you. I would hand feed her ad diet all the time, I used to keep it in the fridge and Kocka would just lick it off my finger but if it was too cold i would just swish my finger in it to warm it for her in the winter. I used to buy a tray at a time from the vets.
I hated the smell of it but its what kept Kocka alive for so long and it got good quality of food into her. She just about maintained her body weight but she was very thin after having thyroid removed. She was a fighter and loved to go outside in the garden.
I wish you all the best for Pebbles, I knew that Kocka wanted to live and she was so determined to right up to the end.
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I couldn't hand feed her for any length of time - I work full time, and to me, it wouldn't be fair on her as she will have to go too long in between meals - even if I came home every lunch time. I don't think this has anything at all to do with Shadow - Shadow has been here for 7 weeks now, and is only out of her room in the evening, how long varies on what I have on that day, but they do have the day and nighttime without her round. If the vet is right about pancreatitis, it does make them feel miserable and it is painful, and I think that is what we are seeing now. PEbbles does get plenty of time from me, and did even before this as her and Molly were the only two that were in my bedroom, so night and computer time are theirs.
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Hi Des,
You said you could hear Pebbles' breathing over the sound of your shower. This suggests to me that she is having problems with breathing which could be because of complications in her chest. I know you said that they checked this area but the vets consistently examined one of my cats several years ago for two weeks and it was only on my insistence that she be admitted to hospital for further examination that they found she had got pyothorax... and was given a very slim chance of lasting the day! Bless her, after having some of the fluid syringed from her chest (without an anaesthetic because she was too weak), she rallied and the chest drains were fitted the next day. She was discharged within a week but had to have check ups and medication for another two months! This was the cat who frequented the bathroom. She also displayed very similar symptoms to those you describe for Pebbles....but then again they might be similar for any cat who is feeling very, very unwell.
I just hope the vet can diagnose the problem and that it is treatable.
Poor little love.
Good luck to you both tonight
Lots of love
Roz
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Thinking of you tonight with Pebbles, hope the vet can shed some light on your baby, I would try the ad liquid as if can be left down and it kept Holly going and it does smell awful - Holly like it heated for 10 secs in the microwave and could lap it up.
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Thinking of you and Pebbles tonight. Hope it goes ok
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love
Tab
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Thanks Roz, will try and remember that.
Liz - we did a/d last week, and like most things since this started, she wolfed the first half, and point blank refused the rest. I dont mind the smell of a/d, although liquivite is awful.
To be honest, unless the vet can miraculously think of something, I can't see her coming home with me tonight, this has been going on for just over a week now, despite having various meds, and I can't see her like this anymore, it is no life for her - like this morning, she showed an interest when I picked the biscuit tin up, but then just looked at the full bowl of them. As soon as I put some on her bed next to her paw, she wolfed them. That to me is no life for her, she knows they are there, and obviously is hungry, but no energy or whatever to get up to get them - and they werent more than a finger length from her head. She has barely eaten overnight the past two nights, and I suspect that is the reason why - but last night, she had obviously moved to go to the loo, but ignored them.
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Thinking of you and Pebbles.
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Des my heart goes out to you and Darlin Pebbles. She sounds in alot of pain. :'( I know you will do everything possible for her and the best for her.
Sooooo Hoping the vets can come up with a mircle tonight.
My love and prayers are with you both.
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My thoughts are with you both Des
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Paws crossed for you both.........sounds like a terrible time for you
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Des i am dreading ya coming back from Vets. I am wishing but have an awful feeling. :'(
If there is nothing more they can do, you will be helping her out of the awful pain she is in. I am sooo hoping for a mircle.
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Thanks everyone - I have had to let her go. She was even more dehydrated, her tummy felt worse, her bladder was feeling odd, so the vet suspected that this has brought on cystitis on top of everything else (she did have it last year), her chest was wheezy and she was clearly miserable - she didn't bite the vet. We had a very long conversation as to what to do with her next, the vet did say that with all the tests she has had in the past 2 years with no indication, it could indicate tumours. I could have had her referred to a specialist, and done loads of x-rays, scans etc, but I didn't think that was fair on her. We could have tried steroids, but the vet couldn't guarantee that they would do anything or if they did, for how long, and I didn't want to put her through anymore unless there were guarantees - and not just for this, but that this would be the final thing. The vet said that in light of how hard to treat PEbbles was (I got to read the notes from the e-vet - barely diagnosable without a sedation, cos I wasn't there) that she felt this was the best option, she had been miserable for too long, and the struggle with her legs was cos she was weak. RIP little one.
Out of the 6 cats I had here at the beginning of the year, only 3 are still alive, and only one is still with me, the other two are in new homes now, and Pebbles was the 7th cat I have lost in 4 years. It is getting harder and harder with each one as well.
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Pebbles what a lucky girl you were to have had Desley to love and care for you so much.
Desley try to take comfort that you loved Pebbles enough to put her needs before your own, her suffering is over now.
God Bless you both
Teresa x
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Aww Desley Im so sorry its ended this way but from you've said it was the only option. You gave Pebbles loads of love and Im sure she is now at peace and no longer in pain.
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Thanks Teresa, it will be hard for a while, but I will be able to look at her pics and smile soon, and I dont think many people would have given her so many chances. Receptionist asked me how I could keep putting myself through it - I am sat typing this watching Molly (14) have a mad 5 minutes chasing her tail and rolling over the bed - she could have been dead if I hadn't taken her, and things like that remind me why I do it, and why the heartache is worth it.
Thanks Tab - the vet agreed that it was the only option and what she would do. She also said that she now has 4 legs again and is biting everyone in sight.
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Desley, I'm so sorry for you. You gave her every chance but when the time came you have done the kindest and bravest thing for her. Please remember that we are all here for you, you must be feeling very sad.
RIP Pebbles xx
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Oh Des our thoughts are with you at this sad time I had hoped you and pebbles would have better news.
Another Bridge baby joining this years members, now free from pain and whole again, but always a pawprint in your heart.
Again deepest sympathies to you and your furry family, its always the hardest decision we make and I don't know how you do it nearly broke me with Holly and then she departed before we could take her.
She was and always will be your Pebbles and a very special lady with cattitude :(
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Oh Des our thoughts are with you at this sad time I had hoped you and pebbles would have better news.
Another Bridge baby joining this years members, now free from pain and whole again, but always a pawprint in your heart.
Again deepest sympathies to you and your furry family, its always the hardest decision we make and I don't know how you do it nearly broke me with Holly and then she departed before we could take her.
She was and always will be your Pebbles and a very special lady with cattitude :(
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Thanks Helen and Liz - Liz, the last two times it has been the hardest, but both times I have known in advance what I have had to do, and it doens't make it easier to tell the vet. I knew it wouldn't have been better news, it was just too much in such a short space of time - vet said even a tiny tumour could have caused this, and she did admit that although PEbbles seemed to hate her, she liked her and had got attached - mind you, we were there a hell of a lot. Just going to take some time - this time 3 months ago, I had 3 cats, now I have one.
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Oh no I'm so sorry to hear this Des :( I followed her story on CC and on here when we all moved and have had my fingers crossed for her. At last she's not in any pain now.She will always be grateful to you for everything you did for her and for being brave enough to help her go to peace *big hugs for you*
Sleep well Pebbles. You'll be missed so much by your mum and all of us on here xxxxx
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Oh no Des, I can't believe our little Pebbles has gone. I feel as though I have known her for so long. I am so, so sorry. I know you did everything anyone could have done for her....and I think the time presents itself when the little loves have had enough.
To think what she endured this year and then to lose the last battle is just too sad.
R.I.P. Pebbles, darling. No more battles...just peace and joy. Go run in those sweet pastures beyond and find Ginger...I'm sure he will be waiting for you.
God bless you Desley.
Take care
Lots of love
Roz
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I am so sorry Desley. I hoped it would be otherwise but you have done the best for Pebbles, as you always have.
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Desley I'm so sorry to hear this. You did so much for Pebbles and gave her such a good life. And you've been so generous in sharing her with the rest of us- I've loved reading about her, and feel almost as if I know her. It's so hard to make that final decision, and such a loving act. I think the vet is right: Pebbles does have all her legs, strength, and biting-power back now and is free of her discomfort. But it leaves you feeling sad and lonely, and it is so hard to say goodbye to those we love.
Big hugs to you.
Claire
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Desley,
I can not tell you how strong you have been through all of this, Pebbles was such a brave girl but was clearly in pain, my love goes out to you.
You know where i am if you need to talk xx
RIP Pebbles your mummy adored you xx
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Oh Des I am so so sorry to hear this, I know we had all hoped for a miracle but sadly it wasn't to be. Pebbles was very lucky to have you and you always did your very best for her. She will be running free and well again now at the bridge with all our babes.
RIP Pebbles you were a very brave and special girl.
Take care of yourself Desley
Hugs from me and Dylan xxx
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Thanks everyone - I didn't do anything special though, just dealt with everything that seemed to be thrown at us, but, as those of you who have had ill cats will know, you know in your heart when you can't fight anymore, and I knew with PEbbles. And there is always this final battle that no one can win - although the vet says she wishes that wasn't the case. IT is always hard to say goodbye, but, as always, I can look back at the good times we had, and that I gave her a good life, however hard she was at times. I am glad that I have been able to share her, and I hope that some of our experiences will help someone else, that would be a very good tribute to her. I somehow think that Ginger will be running away from her when he sees her, she wasn't very nice to him at times.
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Oh Des, Ginger won't run away from her this time......he will be there to greet her. Just believe that.
I shall miss her so much myself. It's just too sad. Why do all these little characters choose Christmastime to say goodbye?
Perhaps in the light of what you said in your earlier post, that is the reason why Shadow has entered your life...She is still so young but when you take on mostly older cats, sadly, the years of companionship are limited...which is so cruel. (although I realise Pebs wasn't an old cat...bless her).
You know where I am if you need a chat.
Lots of love
Roz
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Oh Des i am so sorry. She is and always will be part of you and always in your heart and ours. You cared for her so well and gave her so much love and she knew that. You are her angel.
She will be out of pain on the bridge with all our babes having fun now.
Bless you darlin pebbles have fun till we see you again.
Love and lots of hugs :hug: :hug: :hug:
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oh Des. You and Pebbles both fought so hard and so bravely. You did what you had to, and that's always the hardest thing of all. Good on yuo for having the strength. And rest in peace Pebbles, play hard and be happy.
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Thanks Roz - Shadow wont be staying though, she has been a great comfort, but Molly hates her too much, and I couldn't take on a youngster with all the oldies that still need a home - if I go back up to 2 cats, the 'new' one will be Tiger. I Actually think Molly came into my life to help me through the stuff we have dealt with this year, she has been as good for me as I have for her.
Thanks Tan and Sue.
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I am so very very very sorry Desley.... am devastated for you :( :( :( :(
I know how much time you took to help Pebbles, from the moment she entered your life, you have always done the best for her.
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Des,
I'm lost for words. Against all odds, I was somehow hoping Pebbles would be getting through this and prove us all wrong again. She was such a little fighter.
I'm really really sorry for your loss.
RIP little lady.
Hugs to you and Molly.
Chris
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Des.....Ive just seen.......I dont know what to say :'(
How are you? Tom and I are thiniong of you :hug:
Rest in peace little Pebbles, you are out of pain now so run free at the Bridge and be happy......you're mummy will always love you as will so many from here and all of your old frineds from CC. You were a very special girl :Luv:
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I'm so sorry Des :'( :'( I've been through this a couple of times the last few weeks and it doesn't get any easier :'(
Big hugs and you know where I am, xxx
RIP Pebbles, sweet dreams babe, xxxx
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Oh my God Des i am so sorry -
I am also so sorry for not keeping up with this thread and so not realizing just how poorly ^Pebbles^ was.
Sending you {{hugs}}
R.I.P dear ^Pebbles^
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I'm so sorry, Des. You gave Pebbles a good life, the best she could have had, and the best chance, too.
I hope you're OK.
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Oh Des, just catching up on threads and seen this ........ I don't know what to say, Pebbles fought so hard, but I guess this was one fight to many :'(
RIP little girl.
All my thoughts are with you, its a sad end to a tough year for you hun, keep strong and you know we're all here for you x
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Oh no - what sad news :( I was really hoping Pebbles would pull through this one.
Have fun at the bridge, Pebbles.
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Desley, I can only imagine how you're feeling at the moment. You did everything you could for Pebbles, and I'm sure she was aware of that fact and appreciated it. ((Hugs))
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I am so sorry.
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Thanks everyone - it is getting easier, just had to do the clean up of the bathroom today, which is never easy. I think what makes it that bit more bearable is when you know they are soo poorly and there is no cure, so while it is sad to lose them, you know that you have done the right thing, and ended their pain and suffering. Just still a bit hard to believe that we have fought so much this year and that we finally came up against hte thing that we couldn't beat, it is the only thing that seems so unfair about it.
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It was the same for Ben with Oral cancer for me. I was so upset but i knew there was no cure and didn't want him suffering. That does help. Ya never stop loving and missing them.
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Desley I feel so bad cos I havent been back here cos of the auction till now.
I am so very sorry to hear about Pebbles and wished I had known before. She had such a giant fanclub amongst the CC peeps and we watched all year as she struggled and then came back revitalized after her leg op. I am so sad for you tonight and my thoughts are with you. You know where I am Desley.
RIP Beautiful Pebbles, no more hard times just health and happiness on the Bridge.
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Dear Desley, so sorry to hear about Pebbles, I hadnt followed the thread these past few days because earlier it had seemed like there was hope, I hadnt figured on coming back to it and finding this news - how sad for you, but Pebbles is free of any pain now at the Bridge.
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Thanks Gill and Gillian. I knew last week that there was no hope with this, I knew deep down, and if I had been wrong, it wouldn't have been long till the next time, there is only so much fighting one kitty can do, and there were subtle signs this time that it was worse than the other stuff we had fought - looking back, I shouldn't have dismissed her no longer coming onto the bed, that was prob the real start of this, not the week we had of her not having a good interest in food - I tend to be all upset from knowing that they dont have long till the letting them go, then I Seem to be fine afterwards, am very odd when it comes to losing cats I think.
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so sorry to hear your sad news Desley. I was so hoping Pebbles would pull through again. The auctions have dominated the threads this past week and I hadn't noticed that dear pebbles was no longer with us. Its the moment none of us wish to think about although the possibility is always there.
RIP little one
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No, Desley. It's not that you are feeling all right...it's just the fact that you are no longer stessed and anxious and constantly worrying about poor little Pebbles... In some ways that brings relief. The decision to pts is the worst possible scenario, and one that you would have avoided at all costs, but once the decision has been made, the anxiety disappears and you are just left with the enormity of the loss....which can sometimes appear to be subjugated by the inner peace that comes after such heartache and worry. Some say that this is the brain's way of dealing with the shock ......but is a symptom of grief, nonetheless.
I hope that makes sense...and is not too much of a ramble.
Thinking of you
Lots of love
Roz
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That does make a lot of sense Roz, I never thought of it that way - but it isn't teh first time I have been soo upset beforehand and then strangely calm afterwards. IT doesn't happen when the decision is made for me though, normally after I have come home from the vet.
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In some ways that brings relief.
You are so right but then I feel guilty for feeling relief.
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Why feel guilty though? If you are ending their pain and suffering, then it is the best thing for them, they shouldn't have to live in pain if there is no chance of relief for them.
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I just always feel guilty at feeling relief, although the reasoning for the PTS would have been in the Little one interest and the final act of kindness I can give.
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I understand what you mean Ela. Another of my neighbours just died and I was feeling guilty about being happy about something else.There is no logic to ones feelings sometimes but what Roz saids makes a lot of sense.
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:'( Desley just catching up with the forum, I'm gutted to read this, thinking of you and sending you hugs, Claire. x RIP Pebbles, sleep well little one x
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Desley, I am so sorry to hear about Pebbles - you two were lucky to have found one another and went through so much together - thinking of you, Chris
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So sorry to hear about Pebbles, Des. It is always hard to say goodbye to a much-loved cat and my thoughts go out to you.
Hugs from me and Pearl & Toby send purrs.
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I never look at it like that Ela, as my relief is that they are no longer suffering. I had another shock last night, only went to put the rubbish out, and got collared by one of the neighbours - they are moving on Sat - the wife has cancer and is struggling with the stairs. I havent seen her in a while with being wrapped up with things, and she isn't looking good at all, so another sad thing happening before the end of the year - I have been here for 5 years, and they are only the second people to move.
Thanks Claire, Chris and Witty. I certainly think I am ready for my break, I keep getting the cats names wrong!! They are all going to be sulking by Mon though!!
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I think its been a thoroughly bad year for cats and peeps this year.
I have lost two neighbours within 6 months of each other, both died unexpectedly in the night and now all the men are gone up the road.
So many on CC and Purrs have lost cats this year, it makes me so very sad for everyone cos Christmas is often a time with great memories with your best friends.