Purrs In Our Hearts - Cat Forum UK
Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Mark on August 28, 2007, 09:37:17 AM
-
The last time he was in, the vet said there was some inflammation but he didn't want to compromise Clapton's kidneys with anaesthetic so he gave him an antibiotic jab instead of removing the tooth. He has barely eaten over the last 24hrs and yelps in pain if he tries to eat. I am getting him to the vet today but can't go until tonight for various reasons. I am worried as I don't want him to have these flareups every few months. Also, I read a thread a while ago about antibiotic jabs not being good. Any advice?
PS - with the not eating, it also means I haven't been able to get a fortekor down him which makes it worse. I tried to look in his mouthlast night but he yelped and ran away.
He went over the back to get away and got attacked by a horrible tom that was screaming at him >:(
-
Poor Clapton.
A trip to you know who i think Mark..sounds like he definately needs painkiller/antinflammatory.
-
I wish they could take the tooth out and be done with it - I know how it feels and its not nice :(
Can the anti-b jab affect his kidneys?
He is due for bloods anyway so maybe the vet can take a view. Not confident that his numbers will be any better than before though.
-
I think you are thinking of the particular antibiotic gillian's suzie had which apparently is contra indicated for kidney dysfunction..however i am quite sure there are many antibiotics suitable and are not contraindicated.
-
Thanks Lynn. I'm sure he know his stuff but will find the thread and make sure he isn't using that. If he decides to extract, I'm sure he will suggest an overnight but I won't allow that as clapton gets so upset. I have wasted so much food that I was in Tesco at 8am to get some he likes but no joy :( - he ate one piece of wafer-thin turkey ham and yelped :(
-
Oh poor Clapton :( I hope the vets can find a way of removing or at least treating the troublesome tooth, it must be awful for both of you :hug:
-
Thanks Clare. I hate that he has had mouth pain on & off for years. this will be his 5th extraction in as many years - although more than one tooth each time :'( he can't have more than 2 left :(
If he does have it, I will get them to clip his claws as he can't chew the sheath off like other cats and he has talons now. I am starting another thread about concerns regarding this.
-
Oh poor Clapton :(
All I know is how much an ache from wisdom teeth coming through hurts so I can't imagine how your poor Clapton must feel :-[
Hope you get to the vets ok later and get him feeling a bit better :hug:
-
If the teeth are causing problems Mark, he's probably better of without them. I know that cats can do very well with very few or no teeth at all in some cases. It must be horrible for him when eating is painful.
Sending a gentle headrub his way :Luv:
-
i personally would see if the vet would remove all his teeth, rather than just the troublesome one - they can do things while htey are under to help the strain on the kidneys, such as put them on a drip, and certain anaesthetics are better than others. At his age, I personally think it would be better to do it than have to go through this on a regular basis.
-
I suggested it to the vet the last time but he said back teeth can be problematic and he didn't think it a good idea to remove healthy teeth. There was a thread about it at the time (last november I think) and I'm sure it was Lynn that said healthy back teeth are difficult to extract. It seems like a good idea to me and possibly in a healthy cat it would be the best thing to do. He may only be 8 but I don't see him making old bones sadly :'(
-
I know when Ginger had his last dental, he had 1 good tooth out of 6, so i told them to take them all out, it was his third dental in as many years, I just dont know which tooth it was - they were iffy until I said that the alternative was him coming back in a years time for another anaesthetic (he was 13 though). And if he has had that many extractions, they aren't that healthy, so it might not be as hard.
-
Mark, the antib used on Suzie was Convenia - a long acting one, which is containdicated with kidney failure, just in case you need to know the name of it.
-
Thanks Gillian - I will keep a beady eye on the vet :shify:
-
Well he is booked in for 6.30pm (I have people checking in so best I could do - he is sleeping peacefully at the moment :Luv: )
The receptionist said "If the vet decides to keep him in" and I thought "I will be the judge of that" :evillaugh:
-
Good luck for later :hug:
-
good luck with Clapton. I might mention to the vet that he's not been able to have his fortekor as it affects his bp if they're going to knock him out to remove a tooth (?) although not sure how much diff a day or two makes. Sounds like he has some kind of abscess - mega ouch. If you can't get pills down him, there's the 48hr antibiotic jab but no idea if that one's entirely safe with CRF cats either. I guess the priority's to get rid of that pain so he can eat a bit.
-
I will see what the vet has to say. As you say, getting him to eat is top of the list. I will take a fortekor with me and get the vet to administer it. 5'm sure he will get the jab again. Its a tricky one. My mum said that its unfair for him to have mouth problems every few months and it might be kinder to PTS. I think that is a bit extreme. I love my clapton and want to do whats best for him. I may ask for a referral to an animal hospital if there is a safe way to put him under during extraction.
-
I think that's a bit harsh a suggestion from your Mum :o
There is bound to be a solution, and hopefully the vet today will be able to shed some light on the way forward so that you don't keep having these problems on a recurring basis
-
I don't want a repeat of this though - he was so poorly the last time :'( (he always buries his face when his mouth hurts :(
-
Oh bless him! :Luv:
-
Aw, poor baby :Luv:
-
Well he has inflamed gums. The vet gave him a metacam jab and wants him in for the day tomorrow. Apparently he has 4 teeth left, the 2 top back ones on each side. The vet said he may just take 2 out. I said I don't want to be back in 6 months with him in pain again and want them all out. The vet said "lets see how we go tomorrow" - estimated cost is £195.00 - in at 11.40am, out at 5.20pm. They said they will give him more metacam in the morning.
Edit 7.35pm - he has had fortekor & turkey surprise :evillaugh: and is now tucking into Tesco chicken in Jelly (his favorite - this week) :evillaugh:
The vet said give him very litle tonight and nothing tomorrow. I said he needs some food as he hasn't eaten since saturday. The vet laughed and said oh well another day won't hurt then. I asked the receptionist and she said he won't be done til lunchtime so feed him tonight ;D - the way I see it, he won't be eating much tomorrow and 4 days without food is too long!! - so there ;D
-
Good for Clapton! Hope he enjoys his Tesco chicken in jelly (has he got a sponsorship deal yet on that one?!). Seriously, hope it all goes well and he's out of pain very quickly. AFAIK you have to starve them for 12 hours before an op, plus they're not going to operate before normal surgery so you may be ok up until 10 or so tonight??
Good luck tomorrow.
-
Good luck to Clapton for tomorrow.
At 18 months Simon had his healthy cheek teeth out and no probs so dont let the vets scare you off. :hug:
Its much better to have one GA now.
-
Best of luck for tomorrow Mark :hug:
-
Thanks everyone ;D
I'm nervous about it but it has to be done - poor little sausage doesn't deserve so much pain :'(
-
Poor Clapton and I hope they manage to get him sorted out bless him. I know it's a worry with Billy's teeth and gums, he's got to have one out today but when they've had a proper look, he may end up with more out :'(
Good luck with Clapton and Billy sends him big purrs and headbutts as he knows what he's going through :hug:
-
best wishes for clapton today
-
Thanks everyone. Clapton sends Billy a gentle headbutt :Luv:
It would be one of those rare days he is after breakfast. He is chirruping and looking longingly at me :(
I feel so awful. I will wash and dry his fleeces while he is gone. We just have to convince ourselves its for the best and in the longrun its the best thing. I can't help thinking his mouth problems are what caused his CRF. He had foul breath when I met OH. I'm surprised between the rescue and vet that rehomed, they didn't treat early on, although every time I take him for more teeth out, they say the others are OK so there must be something underlying. I suppose it must be something to do with poor nutrition when he was living rough :(
-
Fingers crossed for him today, but I would push again for them all to be taken out, esp as he has health issues, it is much better to have one GA than to go through this again in the future. And you are the one paying for it. I am sure he will be fine, it just might take longer for him to come round properly.
-
I will ask again but I think there is an issue with healthy back teeth being difficult to remove without damaging the jawbone. If the tooth is rotten, it is easier to extract. I wish I could remember the old thread. I can't imagine the vet would hold on to teeth to get future business out of it (I hope) I do agree though. no teeth is probably better than 2, its not as if they are of any use. If he becomes completely toothless, I will try to get him onto part dry diet as he will only eat cheap wet food. His coat is dull but probably more to do with CRF than anything.
-
Got everything crossed for Clapton today Mark, you do realise he will need to be hand fed deli meat for the next week or so ;)
-
Got everything crossed for Clapton today Mark, you do realise he will need to be hand fed deli meat for the next week or so ;)
So whats new :tired:
-
Well off to vets now and will collect him tonight. Please send clappy healing vibes :Luv:
-
Loads of healing vibes on their way now :Luv:
-
Good lucks and vibes for Clapton!
-
Healing vibes from me and my girls on the way down from Scouseland. :hug:
Got everything crossed Mark and will be thinking of you and the lovely Clapton today :hug:
-
Thinking of you and Clapton. Sending lots of healing vibes. :hug:
-
Just picked a wobbly Clapton up.
The receptionist called me at 3.40pm and said he was coming round. I asked if I could pick him up early so she booked me in for 4.40pm instead of 5.20pm ;D I was worried as she said the vet wanted to speak to me about his bloods :scared:
Anyway, all his teeth have gone - the vet said they were all rotten :sick:
As for the bloods..........for the second time, his numbers have improved ;D ;D ;D ;D . I said I thought they could only get worse. The vet said he must be one of the 20% of cats that have dramatic improvements "for a while" - he said no doubt the fortekor is helping. I asked about pain relief. He said he had given Clapton another Metacam jab and to bring him in tomorrow if he seemed in pain as "I don't like to give old cats too much metacam" - I objected and said he is only 8!!! >:(
The vet said -"well middled aged then"
So - no more dentals and improvement in kidney funtion despite regular food (Maybe tesco own in jelly is low phosphrus? - it was the vet who said animals know whats good for them)
-
good news all around then. Some cats can eat dry food with no teeth, but you might like to wait until his gums have healed before you try it. Excellent news about his bloods!
-
that's great news. Hope he's back noshing his tescos in jelly asap. You could try blending it if his mouth's still sore so he can just lick it up. If it tastes the 'same' blended of course lol.
good luck with him.
-
Fantastic news about his bloods Mark, and also glad they removed all the teeth, no more hassle or mouth pain for poor Clapton :hug:
-
I got him some whiskas senior in gravy and he has had 2 pouches of his favourite flavour - whitefish :evillaugh:
He also has loads of Sheba duck terrine for later - another favourite.
He had stopped shaking. He was in the garden sunning himself a while ago (I ignored the vets advice to keep him in - he won't go anywhere :evillaugh: )
I'm sure it will be sore tomorrow when the metacam wears off. But sore is better than tooth pain.
-
Great news ;D
Your hard work has paid off Mark
-
Thanks MM - lets just hope it will improve his health. He is in the garden at the moment. I thought he would need to sleep it off. When he had the dental last november, he was in a bad way and hid under the bed etc. I'm convinced that he didn't get any pain relief the last time >:(
-
Really great news, what a relief for you and Clapton of course. :wow:
-
I'm amazed at his recovery. He has had 2 pouches of whiskas senior in gravy, 1/2 foil tray of Sheba duck terrine and some turkey roll - all washed down with some dirty green water from the garden :evillaugh:
He is in the garden again staring into space ;D
Maybe Tesco own in Jelly is good for him - thats mainly what he eats now. I think he only ate the senior as he was so hungry.
-
Ah great news about Clapton :Luv:
Mark you must be so relieved, no more dentals and numbers up... Not too shabby!
See what all of our healing vibes did, we are bloody good aren't we?! ;)
-
And I am late again - but glad to hear that Clapton is making a speedy recovery from his dental work. :hug: to him.
Did you wash his fleeces for him? ;)
-
You are all wonderful ems :hug:
Clapton said thanks for all the healing vibes :Luv:
Although I don't begrudge him, I wonder if the cost was reasonable.
4 teeth out. Anaethesia, 2 metacam jabs, anibiotics for a week (liquid), bloods (which they do anyway). ~Came to £199.00 :Crazy:
I wonder if I can claim? - I guess its existing - although they were OK when he had his last dental.
-
oops - no :-[
I dropped him off and went to canterbury for lunch. Did some shopping (boring stuff , except some t shirts in H&M) bought him some nice food in sainsburys and it was time to pick him up. I took this pic of one of my favourite buildings in canterbury that has just been restored. Couldn'y get it all in as the road is narrow
-
4 teeth out. Anaethesia, 2 metacam jabs, anibiotics for a week (liquid), bloods (which they do anyway). ~Came to £199.00 :Crazy:
I wonder if I can claim? - I guess its existing - although they were OK when he had his last dental.
Billy's came to £91 but I think it varies from area to area plus I got a discount on mine ;)
-
That building seems to have a few problems with its foundations Mark. Why is it lying on its side? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
-
I think my vet is expensive but he has posters etc saying they only use the best etc. "gold standard" anaesthesia etc. :tired:
-
That building seems to have a few problems with its foundations Mark. Why is it lying on its side? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It was built by kent people :evillaugh:
Edit - happy now? :evillaugh:
Isn't it lovely?
-
Am glad to hear he will be fine with his teeth now, and that his numbers have improved. IF he doesn't like dry food, I wouldnt' worry too much, wet food is better for his kidneys anyway.
-
He won't eat this morning. I can only guess that the metacam has worn off. I have tried 3 different foods. I won't push him but just see how it goes. I'm a bt worried about putting the dropper for antibiotics in his mouth with sore gums.
-
It could be cos he ate so much yesterday MArk, he might not be hungry yet, I dont think Metacam does wear off that quickly. Plus, offering so many different foods isn't the best route. Can't offer much advice with the dropper, I have always been given tablets after dentals.
-
In hindsight, I should have taken tabs as I could have wrapped them in turkey slices.
I just opened option 4 and Clapton has gone for option 2 :tired: (the sheba duck & goose tender terrine :sick: )
-
Glad he's going to eat something now this morning Mark, they can be fussy little :censored: can't they, especially when they're feeling sorry for themselves lol!
Can't remember exactly how much max's dental was a few years ago, he had 2 extractions and a scale/polish, antibiotics etc, I think it was about £120-£130 ish?
Lovely building by the way, I love places like that. We went to Windsor for a day out recently and there's a lovely old tea rooms near the castle, I call them higgledy piggledy buildings, but they are beautiful, so full of character.
Give the brave Mr C a little headrub from me :Luv:
-
I was saying that it was the same as humans but didn't take into account the 1st consultation and jab, also the GA & bloods so it was no more than expected really. Well he won't be having any more dentals :evillaugh:
Clapton said he would be sick to the back teeth with dentals if he had any :evillaugh:
-
I'm glad Clapton is doing well after the dental. Eating and wanting to go outside is usually a good sign. Last year, both Samson and Buddie were in for dentals. Buds had a clean and polish and Sam had one extraction and polish. I think it cost about £240 and that included the pre-op bloods for both of them.
-
I guess the metacam is wearing off as he is looking very sorry for himself right now :(
I will see how he goes but I don't want him to go through the stress of another visit to get more metacam. I wish the vet would have treated me like an adult and given me some drops for him >:( If I take him back and the vet gives him a jab, its no worse than me giving him drops >:(
-
I'm glad it all went well and he's had all his teeth out ;D Good luck with offering the "right" food!
Jaffa's dental cost about £400!
-
I would try again and see if you can get some painkilling drops from the vet, as you say it will be much better for Clapton. When Archie had his tail trouble I was given some and it made such a difference, even thoughit said on the box they were for dogs! Good luck. Alison
-
Awwww bless him having all his teeth out. I hope he has made a full recovery today Mark. :hug:
I would say 8 is no age for a cat!
-
I would try again and see if you can get some painkilling drops from the vet, as you say it will be much better for Clapton. When Archie had his tail trouble I was given some and it made such a difference, even thoughit said on the box they were for dogs! Good luck. Alison
Thanks but I don't want to force the issue with the vet. I got this info from the manufacturers site
"Decreased blood supply to the kidney - this could tip a borderline patient into kidney failure"
It also said it is a NSAID, the leaflet with fortekor said NSAIDS should not be used with fortekor - I guess clapton is going to have to grin and bear it :(
-
Poor Clapton. I have suddenly thought what about the Bach Flower Rescue Remedy. I know of quite a few people who have given it to their pets. It may just take away a bit of discomfort.
-
He doesn't seem too bad now and not stressed. He even went in the garden again so I will just keep a close eye. Luckily I work at home so can watch him 24/7 ;D
-
Aw, glad he's doing OK Mark. Did he manage all of his food this morning?
-
No he ate 1/2 a tray, but he just came in from the garden and is tucking into a pouch as I type ;D
-
He's still got a good appetite then, even after his mammoth eating sesh yesterday lol!
-
Yes and for the 1st time in ages, the dish was clean and he wanted another. He only ate less than 1/2 of the second one - will let him off this time :evillaugh:
-
No troublesome teeth = very large cat food bill now :evillaugh:
-
I hope not. I have to buy the equivilent of 3 cats food for for him as it is as he wastes so much (5 or 6 boxes a week!!) . I don't want to speak too soon but I have a feeling he s going to be less picky when his mouth is better so less waste ;D - If he got to the point where he couldn't eat on Sunday, I wonder how long it was playing up before it got too much for him? - Anyway, thats all behind him now. If he becomes easier to feed, I will try him on some decent food again as he turns his nose up a the good stuff at the moment.
I picked him up earlier and I could feel his spine so he can free feed until he as a belly :evillaugh:
-
Aw, plenty of yummies for Mr C now then!
He may even have had a nasty taste in his mouth as his teeth were nasty, so certain foods seemed unpalatable to him. Hopefully that will all be behind you now ... fingers crossed :)
-
Well he's on a garden chair right now. He never dares to sit on them in case Kylie disapproves :evillaugh: - She is on one too ;D - I didn't want her to feel left out so pics of her too :Luv:
-
Kylie is lovely and I can see why he is scared of her disaproving :rofl:
-
Hi Mark,
Just thought i'd check how the patient is today?
Hope Clapton is feeling a bit better :hug:
ems
xxx
p.s. Kylie is gorgeous! But i wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of one of her stares! :scared:
-
John (gummer) as clapton is now known :evillaugh: is doing fine thanks ;D
He has had several jaunts in the garden. Eaten food that was put in front of him - even revisited a dish which he hasn't done in living memory :evillaugh:
He retired to the kitchen a few hours ago and is sleeping it off. I think he is well on the mend. He was licking my hands and face again this morning :Luv:
-
Awww, so pleased he's doing so well :Luv: :Luv:
-
So pleased he is perky and happy ;D
I can picture the huge grin on your face when he goes back for seconds!
-
Glad he's doing well ;D
-
Thanks for the support everyone - it really does help when you are running round like a headless chicken trying to do the best thing. Anyway, thats that for now. He has has 2 meals so far tonight and I'm sure they won't be the last :)
-
So glad he is feeling better Mark :hug:
-
Thanks for the support everyone - it really does help when you are running round like a headless chicken trying to do the best thing. Anyway, thats that for now. He has has 2 meals so far tonight and I'm sure they won't be the last :)
RESULT!
-
Excellent news ;D
-
Go Clapton :)
-
Glad he is eating better.