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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 17, 2007, 21:35:47 PM

Title: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 17, 2007, 21:35:47 PM
This is my weekend visitor, Carlos.  :Luv:

Carlos was picked up by one of our fosterers, unfortunately she is busy over the weekend but will take him back on Monday. The poor soul apparantly does have an owner - he has a Spanish chip and was imported in March. But we've now had 2 reports about him not being looked after and begging from everyone in the street. He was is such a bad way when she went to investigate, she wouldn't leave him there and took him home - Carlos didn't mind one bit!  :)

He is filthy, starving hungry, alive with fleas, his pads are swollen and blistered, his coat is thick with matted lumps....  >:( :(

Sadly we are told that if Carlos's owner turns up and wants his cat back, there is little we can do other than stiff him with the vet's bill for fixing Carlos' problems.

But it's surprising how often cats escape from fosterers homes, isn't it?  :innocent:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 17, 2007, 21:40:49 PM
Aww, fingers crossed you can convince his owners to sign him over, and he can find a good home.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 17, 2007, 21:44:22 PM
Awwwww PB  he is devine,  give him a cuddle from us  :ahh:

Hope you can get owner to sign him over as they dont seem to be that bothered about him,  wee soul
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 17, 2007, 22:25:11 PM
What you can't see is that he's absolutely enormous in terms of bone structure. He's a cat and a half long and 2 cats tall!  :evillaugh:

I'd like a word with his supposed owners too!  :boxer:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 17, 2007, 23:20:42 PM
I never know why peeps who obviously dont give a damn about there pets keep them  >:(

Carlos is a babe  :Luv:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 17, 2007, 23:23:44 PM
Our welfare officer says I should take him to the vet tomorrow and get a full MOT. He may need sedation to remove his matted fur. I'm going to take pics in case there's a case of neglect in the offing.

Poor Carlos! He's done nothing since he's been here but eat tonnes of food and fall asleep. He's absolutely exhausted!  :(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 17, 2007, 23:25:34 PM
God love him......i hope you do manage to keep him and get him re-homed to somewhere he can be appreciated  :)

On the chipped front i took on a cat last year who was chipped....vet phoned the owners and they said they didnt want her back so you never know  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 17, 2007, 23:26:36 PM
He looks like he may be a Maine Coon or related. he is lovely  ;D

I wonder why someone would go to all the trouble and cost of bringing him from Spain and then not looking after him.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 17, 2007, 23:29:30 PM
Is it just me as he does look abit like a NFC?  :-:

Oops Gill didnt see what you wrote  :-: :-:

Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 17, 2007, 23:34:51 PM
Yes maybe NFC  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 18, 2007, 08:49:43 AM
The thought occured he could be a NFC because his frame is the largest I think I've come across.  :shy:

I let him have a little wander through a couple of rooms and he came face to face with Jumpy. Jumpy took one look at his size  :poke: :omg: :faint: and ran for his life!  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Janeyk on August 18, 2007, 10:15:44 AM
I think he is, he's absolutely gorgeous
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Canterbury_cats (Sharon) on August 18, 2007, 10:17:03 AM
Just to let you know the owner has rang and left a message on our phones.. At the moment we are ignoring him while he gets seen by the vet...

Not quiet sure what to do in this circumstance...He sounds a elderly person

Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: blackcat on August 18, 2007, 11:24:04 AM
after he has been seen by the vets do a home visit. If he is elderly the cat may be his only companion. If so, then assess whether he is capable of looking after it. He may not be simply because of limited mobility. I would err on the side of humanity with this one, and provide advice and follow-up visits if you can manage it.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Tan on August 18, 2007, 13:55:45 PM
Arrr Julie he is adorable.  Will be keeping track how it goes with the vet and his owner. Hope all will be ok for him :Luv: 
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 18, 2007, 14:12:30 PM
What a busy morning!  :scared: :Crazy:

Carlos's owner has been in contact via phone message and email. He says he wants his cat back!  >:(

We have responded with an email, carefully worded so as not to make him hostile. We have pointed out Carlos's condition and his need for vet treatment. We await response...

Meanwhile, the vet says his state isn't obvious cruelty but he isn't being cared for the way he should be. In short, we can't prove diliberate neglect enough to make it legal.

Sharon has called the RSPCA. They said they will send an Inspector to talk to his owner if refered by the vet. Our welfare officer is putting the squeeze on the vet to get this done.

But it looks like we are going to have to give Carlos back for now...  :(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 18, 2007, 14:49:51 PM
Well atleast you know he is wanted.....maybe the owner isnt clued up ie correct flea & worm treatments to use etc.....that would not surprise me these days......hopefully with a push in the right direction and the shock of the cat been noticed by an authority he will change his ideas on the right way to bring the gorgeous Carlos up  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on August 18, 2007, 14:53:30 PM
Seems odd that someone would go to the trouble of importing him from Spain and then neglect him.   He'd have had to have all the right vaccinations and paperwork to be allowed into the country.

I thought the new animal welfare act was supposed to cover this sort of thing?  Where it's not out and out cruelty but the animal isn't being cared for properly?

He's very handsome  :Luv:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 18, 2007, 15:00:49 PM
Sadly, I think not, Ruth...  :(

From the state of this cat's feet, he hasn't been on anything softer than tarmac for months. And the reports we got say he's around begging 24/7 and always laying in the road... When I got him, he was so tired and so hungry, he slept 6 hours solid after he's eaten two bowls of food straight off...   >:(

We've asked for the name of his vet so we can see when he was last treated for anything.

And there's nothing to say he was imported legally. His chip details haven't been changed from his Spanish address. Which also may explain why he's so keen to get Carlos back! :shify:


Some people just don't like their 'property' removed without consent. I'm pinning my hopes on the RSPCA.  :shy:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 18, 2007, 15:02:50 PM
 :( :( :( Carlos  :hug:

What a frustrating case  >:(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Millys Mum on August 18, 2007, 17:33:23 PM
Aww poor boy.]
Fingers crossed he doesnt go missing again once he's returned to his owner...
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 18, 2007, 17:55:01 PM
Fingers crossed he doesnt go missing again once he's returned to his owner...

 :gpoint: :heeee heeee: ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: blackcat on August 18, 2007, 18:27:56 PM
hope you girls are not having red current fancies right now
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Millys Mum on August 18, 2007, 18:37:38 PM
hope you girls are not having red current fancies right now

Yes they are my favourite cake  :rofl:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 19, 2007, 12:14:00 PM
UPDATE

We have had no option but to hand Carlos back for now.  :( His owner replied to our email detailing the state he was in. He didn't ask if Carlos was alright now. He didn't ask if he could see him. He said "please give me Carlos's location WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY"....  >:(  :P :P

He is now at our vet awaiting collection from this  :censored: Our vet will present him with an estimate for his required treatment and will also call the RSPCA today to get them in the picture.

I felt like a traitor handing back to this man but what else could I do? We have no legal powers and this is really one for the RSPCA....  :scared:  :'(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 19, 2007, 12:48:20 PM
Have you got an address of the owner so you can keep tabs on him?

Poor Carlos, I would have had to come up with some sorry excuse so as not to return him  :censored:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 19, 2007, 13:15:47 PM
He's now been collected, we gather.  :(

Don't worry.... there's me and a near by fosterer of ours who are after this bloke. We will be watching.... and waiting!  :sneaky:  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 19, 2007, 13:19:56 PM
Poor Carlos >:(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ela on August 19, 2007, 13:36:06 PM
I do hope that Carlos does not go missing again and perhaps finds himself an indoor home.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 19, 2007, 18:28:33 PM
 >:( :(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 19, 2007, 19:14:02 PM
I do hope that Carlos does not go missing again and perhaos finds himself an indoor home.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Poor Carlos, hope he's ok  :mad2:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 19, 2007, 19:58:05 PM
I would never, ever advocate kittynapping.... never! 

Besides, when this does happen with a chipped cat, it would never work...  :shify: :-: (PMs, anyone?)

Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ela on August 19, 2007, 20:39:29 PM
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Besides, when this does happen with a chipped cat, it would never work...


Of course it wouldn't  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Mark on August 19, 2007, 21:50:26 PM
Well I'm in Canterbury 2 or 3 times a week so will keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on August 19, 2007, 23:31:23 PM
I would never, ever advocate kittynapping.... never! 

It's not something I would agree with either and not something I would ever do  :innocent:  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 20, 2007, 07:46:03 AM
I hope things work out well for him.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 20, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
Various phone calls will be made to the RSPCA today.  ;)

We have reason to believe that Carlos's case may already be know to them. No proof, but something our vet hinted at... But if we'd known that early yesterday, maybe we would have toughed it out for a bit longer. You know how it is under pressure trying to sort out chaos?  :shy: Meanwhile his 'owner' has written demanding this, that and the other and not thanking us once for picking his cat out of the gutter, defleaing him and feeding and caring for him for 2 days - he's demanding to know who reported him!  :P

We haven't given up yet. One way or another, Carlos won't have to go through that again.  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ela on August 20, 2007, 11:00:32 AM
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he's demanding to know who reported him! 


What a shame that due to Data Protection you cannot tell him ;D
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 20, 2007, 12:49:50 PM
There's no shaming some people...... >:(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Millys Mum on August 20, 2007, 17:00:17 PM
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We haven't given up yet. One way or another, Carlos won't have to go through that again

Thats good to hear  ;D
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 21, 2007, 01:59:24 AM
I am wavering between anger and depression over this one now.

This  :censored: managed to get hold of the address of one of our past coordinators and stuck a note through her door.  :scared: When she replied to him via the email he'd supplied sayiing "dunno who you are but how did you get my address?" He wrote back to her launching into a tirade likening us to the IRA.  >:( >:( >:( Poor Carlos is obviously still got those fur matts and would still be riddled with fleas if I hadn't Frontlined him.  :'(

I think this is all going to turn very nasty. It's shocked me because I when I moved from London, I thought I wouldn't come across people like that here.

I feel defeated....  :(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 21, 2007, 02:31:20 AM
This bloke sounds like a nasty piece of work......i would defo hand this one over to the RSPCA for neglect....

Dont feel defeated PB....you know that your doing the right thing and your heart is in it  :hug: :hug:

The upsetting thing of all is it dosent matter what walk of life people are from there are always going to be ppl like this where ever you go  >:(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Mark on August 21, 2007, 07:25:08 AM
It's shocked me because I when I moved from London, I thought I wouldn't come across people like that here.

I think its the opposite PB. People are more civilised n London. The "countryfolk"  :evillaugh: have a completely different mentality towards animals. The are either food, vermin or pest control  >:( - I can't see why someone would want to have a cat if they just let it roam.

Did he say "get orf my land" in the email?  :evillaugh:

Don't feel defeated. Whatever he says, he is breaking the law and needs to be taken to task. I think its one for the RSPCA to use their powers on and when they have him, offer to take him from them.

BTW - I naively expected people to be nicer here then in London as Londoners have a reputation for being unfriendly but its not the case. We are called "DFL's" here (down from london) and its not a compliment.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 21, 2007, 10:00:13 AM
Any update today on the lovely Carlos??
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 21, 2007, 18:00:01 PM
The RSPCA called me to say they are sending an Inspector. I'll keep everyone informed of the outcome.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 22, 2007, 08:09:40 AM
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: chrisleitz on August 22, 2007, 08:32:45 AM
I hope the RSPCA does something right for once.
Fingers crossed it will get better for Carlos.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: clarenmax on August 22, 2007, 09:13:01 AM
Keeping everything crossed.
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Bazsmum on August 22, 2007, 12:28:50 PM
Ref: RSPCA
I suppose this way we will also see the new powers of their legislation (sp?)that has'nt been out long  :-:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Millys Mum on August 22, 2007, 16:41:47 PM
They will do diddly squit about it, unless he goes missing or gets hit by a car his "owner" will continue as he is   >:(
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 27, 2007, 17:57:21 PM
any more news on Carlos  :Luv:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on August 27, 2007, 19:31:36 PM
Well, we've heard nothing from the RSPCA...  :shify:

But both me and a colleague has carried out several drive passes and we've not seen him about. I'm hoping that's a good sign...  :scared:
Title: Re: Carlos
Post by: Ralph's mum (angie) on August 27, 2007, 21:05:06 PM
Oh well maybe no news is good news, or sightings hope he is ok