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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: cheekee_munkee on June 27, 2007, 01:26:14 AM
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Hi.
Very excited as Im getting a new arrival. I decided to get the ragdoll kitten now my other 2 get on.
I have always wanted a raggie kitten. She is so cute.
Im going to name her Chloe.
Have paid the deposit and now have to just hope that she arrives. Everything seems ok but I wont feel settled until she is here.
Here she is.
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She is stunning, when are you expecting her to arrive?
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Such a cutie!! and those little white mittens!!!
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:wow: She's gorgeous, those eyes are just stunning :Luv:
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I cant believe it. I got an email from the breeder saying she was sending my deposit back.
She wants to keep the kitten as it looks like a ragdoll she recently lost and she cant bear to give it up.
It broke my heart to read this. I guess I didn't see this coming. Part of me feels angry because we shook hands and she let me come and visit and pay a big deposit. I fell in love with little one the moment I met her and she made it clear that the kitten was reserved for me and everything was finalised. So now not getting her is really upsetting. On the other hand I know I should try and understand it from her point of view, but its hard right now.
I hope she isn't disappointed in the future as this kitten wont be the cat she lost except in looks.
Anyway I have decided to carry on searching and now hopefully have found another possible Ragdoll kitten. This time I know not to get my hopes up too much until I have any potential kitten home.
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I cant believe that has happened to you. I can understand how upsetting it must be for you and how unprofessional of her to do it. However, it was not meant to be and you will find the kitten of your dreams.
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Oh no! how dreadful. You poor thing. But as tigertail says, there is always a reason for something like this and it opens a new door to opportunity. I can understand it from the breeder's point of view, but she does seem to have left it a bit late. I usually knew within a few days of their eyes opening which ones would be hard to part with and so they were never offered. Chin up and we will all have our fingers crossed for you.
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Oh that is a shame, and very unprofessional of her to do that after getting your hopes up.
Hope you have better luck next time - ragdolls are gorgeous :wow:
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http://www.tbrcc.co.uk/
have a look on this website under breeders directory , breeders list
i have been to see and spoke to loads of breeders untill i decided on my breeder , i live in yokshire and am getting mine from scotland
you may think a little extream but i am having a show kitten , i would be devistated if this happens to me as i also have named my kitten
were do u live i may beable to recommend one
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Oh no that's devastating for you. I can see it from the breeders perspective as well though but that doesn't make it any easier for you. Big :hug: and I'm sure the purrfect kitten is out there somewhere for you!
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You could remind her that as she accepted the deposit (did she cash it?) then a contract was made. If you really want the kitten, it might be worth speaking to a solicitor about it?
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Hi and thankyou all for your comments.
I do think it was unprofessional, but I do agree with you that sometimes it isnt to be. Its just how heartbreaking it can be.
Have found another potential Kitten. A show quality breeding queen.
here she is. Going to see her in an hour and if all ok, I can take her home today.
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She looks even cuter and more of a kitten too, good luck.
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She's beautiful, good luck ;D
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What a shame. I agree it's unprofessional of the breeder to back out once she'd taken a deposit but it's pointless dwelling on it and making an issue of it.
Your new kitty looks gorgeous - but please don't rush into buying her due to the disappointment of the other sale falling through. She does look lovely though :Luv:
When you say she's a breeding queen, do you mean she's a retired breeding queen or she is being sold as a breeding queen? Just a bit confused - were you buying the other kitten as a breeding queen?
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Hi.
She is being sold to me as as breeding potential and will be on the active register.
She's only a kitten so anything like that is a while away yet.
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mmmmm , i have serched far and wide and it took months to find my show kitten , are you going to be showing her
breed/show ragdoll kittens are between £700-£800
i have had many questions and had to go through a lot of reserch and breeders to get my show kitten and i have had to be preared to wait , yes my show kitten has been sold to me breed/show as most of but not all show kittens are
think carefully and judge your breeder wisely it seems odd that you have come across a breed/show to take home today so quickly and please do think hard about breeding there is no money in it if you look after the ttens and mother properly
if you are going to go down the show route i will probably see you at some
i do wish you luck but please be carefull
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That is exactly what I was thinking Cosmic!! It sounds very odd to me.
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She is £800
I think its just a lucky coincidence that she came up so quickly.
Not intending to show but may change my mind.
Not intending to go into breeding. Just want one bunch of little ones for me and then she will be done.
At the end of the day. I want a healthy lovng pet who my other cats and me can adore.
Thankyou though for youre thoughts. I will be very cautious today.
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Will you keep the whole of the litter yourself? (remember cats can have litters of 7 or 8!)
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If there was 8 there maybe a problem lol. I would be very tempted though. I guess there could be a chance of needing homes, but I know I will be very strict and I would makie sure the kittens best welfare was the most important thing. Anyway Im leaving now so wish me luck. I hope my life experience and gut instinct will help me.
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yes my show kitten has been sold to me breed/show as most of but not all show kittens are
Actually, that's not true. The criteria for a show cat is different to that of a breeding cat - a show cat needs to physically match the breed standard, but a breeding cat may actually have minor faults that mean it won't do fantastically well in the show ring but it may have good type and be potentially very good to use in a breeding programme. And of course the cat's background and genetics are more important in a breeding cat than in a neutered show cat. A cat of show quality is usually still registered on the non active register. I worry about breeders selling cats on the active register to people who don't have a lot of experience showing and/or breeding and who didn't specifically ask for a breeding queen. Apologies if you do have experience showing - I don't know but your original post sounded like you were looking for a pet? Is she your first ragdoll? I really would recommend gettign experience showing a neuter first before you consider breeding. And if you dont want to breed, please be very wary of any breeder willing to sell you a breeding cat. Reputable breeders will not sell a breeding quality cat to anyone who asks - they will ask you lots of questions about your planned breeding programme - and why you want to breed - and only sell cats on the active register to those with experience of showing. I don't understand why a breeder would offer you a cat suitable for breeding and place her on the non active register like that. Tbh it sounds a bit dodgy to me.
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let us know how you get on monkey :evillaugh:
i didnt mean to critisise , i wish you luck ,just be wary and dont be afraid to walk away , i have left many a lovlely ragdoll kitten abd walked away because the breeder didnt seem right or the kittens were not raised indoors or not good enough show quality
i am really excited about getting little Luna next sat , i have waited ages for her, thats if we dont get flooded again this week :doh:
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oh and pet ragdoll kittens are only £400 so you could save yourself a lot of money
i had to pay to get a show quality but you could save with the pet :wow:
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I Have just got home with little one.
She is stunning. She ran to me when I met her and jumped on me and started purring and headbutting me.
She slept in the carrier on the way home and her temperment is wonderful.
I feel I did well now to find this kitten and that it has all turned out for the best.
I should have walked away from the other breeder because she did seem very odd to me.
I originally wanted a female raggie kitten primarily as a pet, but I wanted to have one litter of little raggies, so that meant allowing my new kitten to breed later in life. To do this even to breed once I need that pink sllip. I tried to talk to all the breeders I was in contact with and make it clear that I needed advice and that I would respect how they felt about allowing any potential kittens to breed. I made it clear that I only wanted to breed once and that it wasnt for financial gain. I know theres hardly anything in it and I would give my kittens the best food and care and spoil them so much I would probably go over budget anyway.
I have been looking for a suitable ragdoll kitten for a few weeks. It turned out like buses. The kittens I came to know about all came at once.
I have learnt so much about the realities of breeding and what is required. So in the end I have chosen a kitten from a breeder who is happy for me to breed her and even allowed me to choose its name its registered with. I really only want to breed once and then have her done. She is so beautiful. I cant help but want more adorable bundles of fluff in the future. Since rescuing my 7 yr old bi colour linx raggie last year I have become addicted to Ragdolls.
I may not have anywhere near as much experience as some here, but I am passionate about my cats and animals in general. I didnt get her necessarily to show, but im glad she has possible show potential. In a way it shows she's a good un. I just want to give her and my other felines the best life I can.
Will try and post pics later.
Please dont take offence anyone but you need not worry. I have had cats all my life and I'm sure all will work out ok.
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im pleased for you , you are really lucky i cant believe im still waiting :evillaugh: i send emails to the breeder everyother day telling her to give luna a kiss for me ( i bet she thinks im mad :evillaugh: )
she is a blue mitted thats why we called her luna like the moon
what colour is you kitten and what will you name her ?
i also chose her pedigree name
i hope she settles well let us know and post some picks
tell me how introductions go with your other cats , it took 2 wk wi moomin and mango and i had to separate for the 1st wk
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I'm glad you've got her home and that she's well and happy ;D Pictures are a must!
I don't doubt your experience with animals or your intentions, but I must urge you not to breed her. Please get her spayed as soon as she's old enough. Before anyone starts to breed a pedigree cat it's vital to spend time gaining knowledge and experience of that particular breed, and you only really get that by showing a neuter and mixing with other breeders. And if you only want one litter and don't want to actually become a reputable pedigree breeder, then I don't really see the point tbh.
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The point is she is beautiful and why shouldnt I be allowed to have one litter.
Im sorry but I wish her to have a litter when she is ready with a tested stud. As that wont be till she is at least 18 months old, I guess I have quite a lot of time to learn as much as I can.
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there is a tech-in semiar on the 14th oct with the british ragdoll cat club
you dont have to be a member of the club
it is a day course and it learns you , good husbandry , show details , genetics and just a chance to talk about ragdolls
i,m going i have already paid its not expensive and you will meet other breeders and get lots of info , i think it would be good for you if you are interested in breeding to get it right
also there is one with the traditional cat society on the 8th july if you look on there website
what breeder did u go with
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Thank you cosmic, I would love to go.
Please could you provide more details.
It sounds excellent.
Thanks again
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Well it's up to you if you want to breed her, but there are so many unwanted cats in rescues that breeding any cats is something that i would discourage most people from doing, regardless of whether the cat is pedigree or not. Not everyone will agree with me, but I'm not opposed to breeding pedigree cats because reputable breeders do that for reasons other than they just want a litter, kittens are cute, their friends would like a kitten etc. They do it because if they didn't some beautiful breeds would die out or be left in the hands of backyard breeders, and because they want to preserve and improve the breed. They learn everything they can about the breed and the breed standard, they learn about genetics and hereditary diseases. Then when they've acquired that knowledge, they consider breeding. They do it for the love of the breed. If those reasons are absent, then it just becomes a case of producing yet more kittens into a world where there are already so many without homes. I'm afraid I can't support that, however beautiful the cat is. If you said you were passionate about ragdolls and wanted to become a reputable breeder who contributed something to the breed, then I'd be happy for you. But why do you want just one litter? Do you think the health risks of not having her spayed are worth it for just one litter?
I know ragdolls are slow developers (not sure at what age they first come into heat) but bear in mind that every heat that comes and goes without her being mated poses a risk to her. You may not be able to wait as long to mate her as you'd like.
Sorry if I've offended you. These are just the questions that any good breeder should have asked you if you had asked for a breeding cat. I'm not impressed with the breeder you bought this cat from.
Having said that, I do wish you luck and hope that everything goes well for you and your new kitty, whatever you decide to do.
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The point is she is beautiful and why shouldnt I be allowed to have one litter.
Im sorry but I wish her to have a litter when she is ready with a tested stud. As that wont be till she is at least 18 months old, I guess I have quite a lot of time to learn as much as I can.
If you'd like to show your girl, I'd really recommend giving it a go. First of all, showing is good fun and secondly you'll learn if she's of decent quality or not. Give her a few outings first and then see where she's at before you make any decisions.
If she doesn't do well on the show bench, I would not recommend breeding from her at all and would have her spayed. Putting poor quality cats up for sale does not do anything for the reputation not only of the breeders, but also of the breed itself. Breeding pedigree cats is an art at which many work years on to achieve the highest of standards - breeding for breeding's sake is frowned upon somewhat in the cat fancy.
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http://www.tbrcc.co.uk/ look under semiars and then 2007
you have missed the may one ....so did i
it is in durham , i printed off the flyer and sent a cheuque they have recieved and and are sending tickets and directions soon so you still have plenty of time , im going wi mi hubby cause wont find it on mi own :evillaugh: i cant remember but think it was about £10 each for the day
I was going to go to the one on the 8th july with the traditional ragdoll society but i am picking luna up the day before and wont leave her for a full day , the day after
did you go down the traditional route
it doesnt matter if you didnt you can still go if you want just have a look at there website hang on ill find it and post it
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here it is
http://www.trcs.org.uk/ i cant see info of the workshop but i know its on the 8th july and i think its in chorley
give bernard a ring from the membership page hes very helpfull
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Thankyou for youre comments.
I would never put poor quality cats for sale. I am not breeding just for the sake of it. This Kitten comes from one of 3 european champions. I would want to find a stud of excellent linage and do it for the love of the breed as well as getting my own raggie family.
I am just going to post pics and leave it at that now.
to any other peeps who wish to post here. Be careful what you say. You may get crucified.
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We dont crucify anyone but try to give them good advice and I see nothing on this thread crucifying anybody.
As this site was born out of one which is all about recue cats many do not approve of breeding more cats but especially not for the reason......I just want one litter.
We also have some people on here who are experts with pedigrees and some who show their cats and are fully up to speed about the standard of cat that one should use for breeding purposes if you are a registered breeder.
I dont think any of us approve a breeding for breedings sake and definately not by unregistered breeders.
I have 2 birmans and they have many champions in their lineage including a very famous grand champion but neither of them are good enough for show purposes and definately not for breeding.
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Ok Maybe not crucify, but I do feel a bit like people are knocking me because of what I want to do.
Fair enough. I think your opinions are interesting and I can understand them. I have rescued cats myself and know they are as adorable as kittens.
I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. I guess also I have a lot to learn.
I have to accept that there are some that dissaprove with me. I guess thats life.
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;D very true
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post ya picks monkey :shy: i would like a look at her :Luv:
problem is wi been on the internet , knowone knows what care we actually give , expierience we have , cleaness of houses as i have found from some breeders i have been to :sick:, reasons for wanting to breed or show
we can just offer advice , sometimes it seems like some people may be criticle , i have been at the harsh side of the stick some time ago
people please offer advice and support and try to be kind :Luv:
and all be friends and help :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
p.s im not a peace and love hippee ...honest :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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Here she is. Was so difficult to keep her still. x
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What attracted you to the Ragdoll as a breed, Munkee?
And yes, I'd love to see a pic of the wee darlin' too :wow:
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Don't feel that we're knocking you. It's just that there are so many bad breeders out there I'd really hate for you to become one of them. I'm not against you breeding ragdolls, I just really want you to do it the right way and not rush into it. They're a popular breed and as with all popular breeds you get the good breeders, the downright bad and a lot in between. I fully support you becoming one of the good guys.
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I want to be a good responsible loving breeder I really do.
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she is beutifull :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
i want mine :'(
did you want mitted the 1st kitten was mitted
i like colourpoints but desparatly wanted a blue mitted thats why i have had to waite and travel to scotland
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Just one thing you may want to take on board before you continue...
If you are not a registered breeder with a governing body (GCCF, TICA, FB), any kittens that you breed cannot be registered as being of their particular breed. Therefore they cannot be shown or bred from in turn, and neither can their progeny. Showing and breeding requires a provable full five generation pedigree with no unregistered cats present in that pedigree.
Since any kittens you have will be unregistered, no matter if they decend from Champion stock, they will effectively be no better than moggies.
So unless you are prepared to register as a breeder, I would not recommend going ahead with letting your cat have a litter.
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Ok. thats fine. I will look into becoming registered.
Thank you
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if you are going to breed , join TBRCC or TPRC and they will give you lots of advice and if you attend the seminar then you will become a recognised breeder and they will give you a mentor
i dont know if you have spoke to them before but i have spoke to them and most breeders in my area and out and they have all be nice kind and helpfull
se really is lovely , well done
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Cute! :Luv:
What have you named her?
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She is gorgeous, and I'm afraid I am with Susanne regarding breeding - if you are doing it just to have one litter and cos you want future bundles of fluff, please look into the ragdoll rescues. Also, in regards to not breeding her till 18 months old, this may not be an option, I was talking to a raggie breeder the other week, and she has heard of a lot of them getting pyo at early ages, i.e 8 month old, it could be a breed trait, or it could just be cos she only follows raggies.
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i think some people get mixed up cause ragdolls take 4 yrs to get to full maturity but this is not in breeding its in size , colour , coat , they do mature and start calling from around 10 month
do u get what i meen :shy:
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Desley I think you will have to explain on this thread what pyo is ;D
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i know what that is gill :(
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http://www.foxvalleypets.org/cats/?
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Yes but dont think that Chunky will
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Chunkee: Some links on pyometra for you. Please read them very carefully.
http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/pyometra.html
http://www.pandecats.com/x/dr_little_pyo.htm
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i did reserch on pyometra cause was worried about mango getting it as she was calling every 2 wk and the vet would not spey her cause of her breathing difficulties and weight
thank god she has been done now
by the way if you want to have a read its under health and pyometra on the link ....i,m not very good on computers and can only get by lol
sorry gill i though you ment i didnt know what pyo was ....you know i dont like been critised :rofl: x
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all right smarty pants lotty :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
i am crap :rofl:
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i was reading the 1st link lotty and ian ses " i,v got it , after all this time , you were a bateria that grew in your mothers womb :( "
he has had a bottle o wine :wow: and i have just told him i,v bought that massive cat tree off ebay
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Thought this forum was about cats.
Not high horses.
Bless
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it isn't about high horses Cheekee, but sadly there are too many kittens and cats in this world as it is. I personally dont have anything against breeders, despite doing rescue work, but only responsible ones, who are doing it to better the breed, not just to have one litter. i shared what I wrote about pyometra, in case people weren't aware it seems to be common in raggies, and I wouldn't want to you wait for 18 months and put your babie's life at risk.
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She is gorgeous, have you named her yet?
I would get her spayed though if this infection is more of a risk for the breed, and I couldnt cope with the crazyness when the cat is calling. Drives you mad and makes you think they are in pain. Better to loose it than use it if your not going to breed her. :shy:
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Cheekee:
Please understand that it's not simply a case of sticking her in with any old boy when she's old enough. If you even get to that stage then you need to understand the lines that your girl has and the lines that the potential stud has, how they will combine and what sort of kittens combining those two lines and those two parents wil give.
Just because your kitten has 3 European Champions in her pedigree doesn't mean she's show/breed quality. My female's litter sister is far from show or breeding quality and obviously has exactly the same pedigree as my female.
You will need to join a cat club, become a registered breeder etc first before you can breed her anyway. No responsible stud owner will let you use their male if you are not a registered breeder and you'll be asked lots of questions about why you beed, why you want to use their stud etc and lots of questions about your girl before they will even consider agreeing to let you use their stud.
Calling is stressful for a cat and they often lose weight and condition through it. If you put her on the pill (if your vet will even agreee to put a cat on the pill) then she can get tumours, pyometra, diabetes etc and may never call again. If she calls very often then you may have to spay her anyway.
Insurance will cover absolutely nothing to do with calling, pyometra or anything pregnancy, birth or lactation related. If your girl needs an emergency c section in the middle of the night you have to pay for it yourself. Have you sat down and worked out all the costs of stud fees, 2 trips travelling to the stud etc, it's not cheap!
Breeding is very expensive and very stressful!