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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: ccmacey on May 31, 2007, 14:19:26 PM
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Hi all, I was wanting a bit of advice on what to do about a roaming cat.
This cat has been visiting me for around 4 months and I have done the paper on the collar thing and yes he does have an owner. She called me back saying he is her cat.
Only now he's starting to look a bit scruffy, got battle scars on his nose and a scratch on the back of his neck, big and red enough to see through his fur. He is unneutered too. I have called her and left messages on her phone but she has never phoned me back, I dont know why?
He's coming to mine to be fed about twice a week, I only ever feed him if I spot him I never leave food out because I want him to go home. He's a friendly cat and seems not to be too bad with my cats, they are a little bit hissy with him.
And another problem my cats catch fleas off him when he comes around. What could I do?
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Is napping him the only answer?
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It must be a tough one as you already know he has an 'owner', but it doesn't sound like they're looking after the poor babe very well :(
I'm sure others on here will have some meaningful advice on what you can do, speaking personally I would not really have a clue where to start, particularly as the owner won't return your calls.
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p m sent ;D
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Iseen the cat mentioned yesterday and he looks dirty and skinny to me.....i think we all know that ppl may own the cat but if they dont give the proper care then......... >:(
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Hi CC,
Firstly i would get him neutered - no one has to know you did it !!!!
Secondly stick a frontline on his neck and a Drontal down his throat
I would carry on feeding him and just keep an eye that he is ok
Michelle xx
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I would Michelle but I would rather find out if she wants the cat and maybe then I could get him sorted. Frontline and worm him now, will this mean me having to do it for the rest of his life? I dont see why I should as he isnt mine but if she says she dosnt want him thats a different matter and I will take care of him then.
Ahh make another phone call I think. :tired:
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I would Michelle but I would rather find out if she wants the cat and maybe then I could get him sorted. Frontline and worm him now, will this mean me having to do it for the rest of his life? I dont see why I should as he isnt mine but if she says she dosnt want him thats a different matter and I will take care of him then.
Ahh make another phone call I think. :tired:
Its up to you CC
Just telling you what i would do !
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You could try to get him into a rescue as a stray and then if she bothers finding him they can do the ownership responsibilty speech and in some places he would be neutered straight away.
Id then phone/leave a message of "i havent seen the cat for a while is he ok" :evillaugh:
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and in some places he would be neutered straight away
We are supposed to keep unneutered toms for 2 weeks for getting them done. ;) Whoever made up that time limit obviously has not had an unentered tom in close proximity for that length of time.
The quote under my site address springs to mind. ;D
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I could try..... hum? I will phone CP lady and ask her? Then Id have to catch him :tired: But should be ok as he is friendly :)
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You can imagine the racket of calling queens too! In the real world who has the space to keep toms separate from each other :innocent:
Any update CC? Thats answered as you posted just before me :doh:
Its worth a try!
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Phoned the CP, she said to phone the RSPCA but don't really know if I should??
He came round the other day, all he wanted was a place to rest his head for a while but my cats don't like him now as he keeps going for them. Ted wont stand for it though and doesn't back down, I always have to intervine and bring them in when he comes to be fed. :tired:
Anyway I'm getting a voucher sent out to have him neutered. But what then? Will he start to go home once he has been done or will I possibly have another cat resident?
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Phoned the CP, she said to phone the RSPCA but don't really know if I should??
I WOULDNT CC
He might end up being PTS
You might find after he has been neutered he will go home as he wont want to roam.
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He might want to stay even more lol
Did you try and find an owner for him ?
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I think she said to phone them to report his owner but all I have is a phone number, dont know where she lives, he could be coming for miles. I only see him every couple of day's you see.
I have phoned and left messages on her phone, obviously she not answer cos she knows its me :tired:
I hope he will calm down after and maybe he will start to be ok with my cats? I think he could move in its only Ted that gets peed off with him, and he goes for the little one's, maybe this will stop? He's a really lovely cat and I hope things work out. I have a baby on the way so dont know if I could take him on but Im willing to give him a go.
Maybe he will be neutered and Ill never see him again? Thats not what I want though but I know being realistic I cant take him in cos of the new baby.
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I should imagine he will decide to move in once hes neutered :evillaugh:
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I have phoned and left messages on her phone, obviously she not answer cos she knows its me :tired:
There is a way to shut off your phone number (I think you dial 141 before the number you are calling) so that the number does not register at the other end. Then call at a time you would not normally call (i.e. if you usually call before dinner, try at 8 pm and see what sort of response you get. Wouldn't call any later than that as I personally would be fairly rude to a stranger who called after that hour ................
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Calling and asking her is not an option anymore, she has not returned my calls after me requesting to get him neutered. I have even called to say he had a gash/ large scratch or whatever on the back of his neck and still nothing :shy:
Im going to get him neutered now but the only problem will be if he dosnt calm down and my cats dont accept him, then where would he go?
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I had a similar dilemma some time ago - a white persian was wandering in the area, I've never seen a cat look so uncared for. It was absolutely filthy, it had a red wheal around its neck where its collar [no id] was rubbing, it was covered in fleas and was terribly matted to the point that it was missing huge patches of fur on some areas [which were very red and hot].
I had a very good idea where it came from but I rang the CP and reported it as a stray; his owner had kept him as an indoor cat for a while but got bored of him so got a puppy instead. Kitty just got thrown out. I put him in one of my cat carriers, CP came and collected him [the woman who came was furious at his condition] and I got a call a couple of weeks later saying he'd been rehomed with an experienced persian owner who'd lost her previous cat. Cp had had to shave all his fur off and she said the fleas on him were enormous.
CC - He'd be better off with someone who loved him and could take proper care of him and CP would ensure he gets a home if yours don't take to him.
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Once he's been neutered your cats are more likely to accept him cc. He'll lose that 'tomcatty' smell, and they won't see him as so much of a threat.
Hope all goes well.
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Been over a week now I have been waiting for the voucher to get him done, silly me forgot about the postal strike! I havent seen Seb for a while either, I hope he hasnt decided to stay away now Im gonna get him done. :shy:
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If he's even halfway friendly now, which you seem to hint at, within a couple of weeks of him being 'done' and the hormones have gone, he'll be fine. I took on a cat under just the same circumstances and he turned out to be one of the most rewarding I've had. You will certainly see a change in his character and the way he interacts with your other cats.
I'm sure that when they've had it tough, like he has, they are twice as grateful for some TLC.
And don't forget the pics! :wow:
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Hi pinkbear :)
Yes he is friendly, I can pick him up, stroke him and everything. He is sort of ok with my cats but I have a big male cat who likes to think he's boss around here and does a sort of tribal dance when they see each other, Seb is scared of him. :shy:
I feel so sorry for him cos I can see he's really went down hill since he's been coming over the past 5 months. When he comes around I can see all he wants is a place to rest his head but cant let him into the house because of my cats and he also has fleas :(
I would be willing to let him stay and do some peacekeeping intervention between them if the little begger starts to turn up :shy: but with being pregnant I cant wait up for him to call round and I think he may be coming through the night. He used to come through the day and just walk into my kitchen but with it raining I don't keep the door open.
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I know it's heartbreaking... :'(
As others have said, he won't be so much of a threat to Seb once he's sorted.
There's loads of advice and views about introducing new cats to resident cats. My method is to wait until both are hungry, then fill their bowls with their favourite foods and place the bowls a good six feet apart, then let them both in. There'll be some swearing and treatening, but unless one actually pins the other against the floor by the throat, I always stand back and let them sort it out for themselves. After a while, their bellies are usually calling the shots. :sneaky:
I can say hand on heart that one way or another I've always managed to get cats to at least tolerate each other...
In the interim, is there no way you can sort him a bit of shelter if he's hanging round your garden. Do you have a shed? Can you get hold of a tea chest and prop it on its side under a bush or something...?
I always say that cats have a way of knowing where to find a save haven anf a kind hearted person. He seems to have chosen you, cc! :Luv:
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He is Seb, well thats what I've named him anyway. I hope he starts to come back so I can get him sorted. I'm thinking with it raining so much maybe he has been staying at home? I've left food out a couple of nights and it's been eaten but that could be any cat.
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If you get the vets to flea him at the same time as neutering, he will come to you clean, as he will need a warm bed for at least 24 hrs to recover from the GA.
He may be hanging around a female in heat, he will want first dibs! No doubt he will be back when hungry ;D
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I hope so MM. :shy:
I know he will need to recover for a while after the op so I'm going to keep him in my house till the next day. If he wants to go after I have no choice but to let him.
It wouldnt be as bad if I didnt "own" king cat around here. Ted just dosnt like other cats on his patch. :tired:
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I know he will need to recover for a while after the op so I'm going to keep him in my house till the next day. If he wants to go after I have no choice but to let him.
Thats what me & my mum said about George, fully expecting him to hate us and run off.... he went nowhere :evillaugh: sadly we only had a couple of years but he got all the loving he deserved.
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It may be a good idea to offer him a box or something to shelter from the rain; but he's probably hanging around a queen. He'll be cream crackered afterwards, and very hungry.
I think Wizz have some good tips about introducing cats. Don't have a link to hand. Will have a quick google.
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This is the link to the site. You'll find several pages of interest to you.
http://www.wizz-catz.co.uk/behavioural.html
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Have not seen Seb for over a week now, and Im starting to think something has happened to him :( Maybe just me being silly :shy: I hope he turns up.
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Try not to think the worst, its very likely a lady keeping him away. I hadnt seen my stray or had any phonecalls about him for a week and hes ok ;D
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Had another thought- what if he is FIV or has other viruses, the lady from the CP said she will get the vet to worm and flea him and with another stray that I got "sorted" she also did virus tests but I'd feel cheeky to ask her to do it again. All my cats have had their jabs and they are kept up to date but if he did have something would this cause problems for them with them being able to catch it? I'm sure there will be a few exchanged slaps. Although without the tests I wont know will I.
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If he has fiv it shouldnt be a problem, the transmission rate is 1-2% and you need deep bites to pass it on.
Felv is more easily passed on and you wouldnt know if he had it or not.
Although without the tests I wont know will I
Nope!
We didnt screen George but we were not as educated on things as we are now, as it was what he had wouldnt have been picked up anyway.
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So whats best to do, do you think?
I am going to get him neutered, when he decides to turn up. But after should I let him go or let him stay, which ever he chooses? I need to put my own cats safety first
I have already had a cat die from some sort of virus and Ted was also gravely ill, I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if it happened again.
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From what you have said i think you should test to put your mind at rest. When hes been neutered he will more than likely choose not to leave so it would be easier to decide before sending him.
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also remember the CP dont charge for testing, they will do this at the same time as the neuter so its worth mentioning to them ;)
* in special cases that is*
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If your cats have up to date leukaemia jabs, he'll be no threat to them. If you want to check if he's okay so that you don't become too emotionally attached, make sure you have the VIRUS test, not the antibody test. The virus test will be sent to Glasgow, and it'll take a couple of weeks before you get the result, but it's the only way to be sure of his status. Antibody tests often give false results.
Provided your other cats have up to date vaccinations, I wouldn't bother having him tested. I take a relaxed attitude to the possibility of cats having FLV, even though I've lost two cats to it. I'm pretty certain Polly and Sam have been exposed to the virus and have either thrown it off (and are immune) or are viraemic. The antibody test would be positive in either case, but the virus test would only be positive if they were viraemic.
I don't want to know. When I had cats I knew were carrying the virus, it was like a black cloud hanging over them. Every time they vomitted, wouldn't eat, or looked a bit down, I'd wonder whether this was the beginning of the end. It was horrible. Not information I ever want to have about any of my cats again.
Lots of peeps will disagree with me and take the more cautious path.
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The only prob with that logic is that the FeLV jab is only 85% effective - mine are only ever tested if they are ill and the vet recommends it though. I personally wouldn't keep him if I were CC, but only from a financial point of view.
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she also did virus tests but I'd feel cheeky to ask her to do it again.
Don't feel cheeky. If it were me you had contacted I would automatically suggest we pay for neuter, flea/worm and testing. Especially if the finder had other cats and was willing to care for the cat or at least until we could bring it in.
I find that most people are more willing to help the 'strays' and more likely to keep them if we offer testing as well.
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Ela the CP have not suggested I take care of him till they can take him in, they have just offered to get him neutered.
Financial side of things I probably could take him on my cats are never short of food and there is always food left over when I go to get more. I wouldn't bother having his jabs but there is flea treatments aswell :shy: But then again I only have to flea my cats if he has been round.
I would like to keep him, he's a nice cat but I'd be worried about him passing anything onto my cats, thats not fair on them.
I don't know where he is and have not seen him for over a week, I have been leaving food out some nights but last night I saw another cat trying to get it so must of been that one?
Question is should he stay or should he go? (If he comes back :shy: )
And time is also running out because I only have 10 weeks to go. :tired:
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If your cats have up to date leukaemia jabs, he'll be no threat to them.
As Desley says thats not true and glasgow reccomend against it.
CC, are you able to insure him? As its not just food.
If you neuter him and then shut him out i dont think it is fair on the cat. My dad was doing the same thing to George, he let him in the house, fed him roast meat from his plate, let him lay on his lap all evening but didnt want to keep him, try explaining that to the cat!
I think getting him on a waiting list now would be a good idea, then you have some time to decide what your going to do, the lists are rather long so dont wait until the last minute. If things work out OK you just let CP know he isnt waiting anymore.
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Thats the point I do want to keep him but don't know if he wants to be kept by me. He does dissapearing acts and its been the longest I haven't seen him for now. :(
He was so loving the last time I seen him, rolling on his back for a stroke.
The cp didn't say anything about getting him on a list so I just thought they didn't want him? Although I think he would be easy enough to rehome.
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CC
As an unneutered tom, his hormones are doing 90% of the thinking for him. Sadly, they can travel miles and miles driven by the scent and calling of a female. He could have wandered off on such a trip this time...
If he does return, and you do get him done, he'll want to stay. Where else has be been able to find a decent meal and a warm welcome?
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The cp didn't say anything about getting him on a list so I just thought they didn't want him?
I think as with most rescurs they are full to bursting and have a high list of cats waiting to come in, so they just wait to be asked to put the cat on the list rather than suggest it. (although I always ask)
Although I think he would be easy enough to rehome
If only, we have loads of beautiful cats with lovely natures, sadly the offer of homes is very slow. Usually it picks up again an September.
He does dissapearing acts and its been the longest I haven't seen him for now.
Allegedly unnuetered toms have a 'patch' of up to 5 mile sq radius so he could be anywhere, who knows his owner may have got him neutered and now he has settled in his own home, then again perhaps not. If he comes back again please let me know and I will send out a full cost voucher to you immediately.
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Thats the point I don't even know how far this cat is coming from, it could be miles. I have asked people around here if they know who's cat he is and they say I thought it was yours. :shy:
He started hanging around before I got Harry done so its likely he's hanging around someone else's door. I just hope if this is the case that the person will notice and get him done, although saying that they must have an unspayed/ unneutered cat too.
If he does come back he will be getting put in my bathroom and not let out till I take him for the op.
I just don't want him spraying in the house, I've just had the bathroom done so thats putting me off too. :tired:
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cc from what you've said, it sounds as though you have the desire and the finance to keep this cat but are mainly worried about
a) the risk to the cats you already have
b) his propensity to wander.
He's wandering because he's an unneutered tom. Unlike unneutered females, who just stay put and call, toms will travel miles to find 'love' from a female in heat (not easy to find in areas where cats are properly cared for and spayed). When neutered, he'd become a soppy lump of love, seeking affection from your family. Others with neutered toms will attest to this (Max, the only tom - neutered - I've had, was just a big teddy bear).
As you are concerned about the risk to your other cats, I would suggest that you have the virus test done BEFORE you have him neutered and decide to take him in. The next time he visits, lock him into a room where your other cats can't get to him. (FLV is only spread by direct body fluid contact, so you won't carry it on your clothes etc). Take him to the vet for the blood test - have the virus testing sample sent to Glasgow. And keep him while awaiting the results.
If the results are negative, let him join the household, and get him neutered. If they're positive, release him, feeding him when you see him.
Having the virus test done BEFORE you decide to keep him will be expensive, but will give you peace of mind.
Ela, and other rescue folk, may suggest that you get him neutered in either case, to prevent more kittens. You would get a voucher for this, or could hand him over to the CP if virus positive, they'll neuter him.
imo it would be nice for you to take him on, but put your mind at ease about his FLV status first.
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CC, while you can afford the food, there are other considerations, and what would you do if he had a health issue?
While Hippy has some good points, if you do it, please, please dont release an FIV or FeLV positive whole tom, not only will he create kittens, but he will spread the disease.
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Good point, Desley.
I have the impression that cc has taken any future vet costs into consideration. Food is the least expense, as it's a week by week expense; whereas a vet bill can be large and hit hard if you haven't budgeted for it.
Good point about the releasing, though. If he's positive, possibly best to hand him over to CP.
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f he's positive, possibly best to hand him over to CP.
Unfortunately not all CP branches have facilities for FIV cats, also they most certainly will be a list of cats waiting to come in and the cat will need to go on the list.
Just now it is a nightmare, while I have been away we have been asked to help so many cats, last week 13 were taken from one situation. We also took in two more FIV cats making a total of 6 now in care.
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I wouldn't dream of letting him back out unneutered especially if he did have a virus. The sad thing is when I got another cat sorted with the help of CP they done tests on him and said if he had something they would PTS. So I'm guessing they would do the same to Seb?
As with the health issues I could maybe get him insured but if I didn't and something come up I could get the funds from somewhere. I know its not just a matter of food costs.
I do have a lot on my hands at the moment and what I would really like is to get him into a shelter so he can get a propper home but if they cant take him he will have to stay here if he wants.
Still haven't seen him and I have realised another cat has been eating the food I've left out for him.
I cant do much more till/ if he turns up. :shy:
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I HAVE A PROBLEM.
Seb is back, I have him in the house what should I do try to keep him here untill monday or let him out and hope he comes back? My cats are in the front foom at the mo going a bit mad and I just dont know what to do? All I could do really is try to keep him locked in the bathroom but he is spraying round the house. Help please.
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Hiya,
Since you have made up your mind that you want to neuter him and if he will use a litter tray then yes I would keep him in if he is happy enough to be there. Anyway I wish you the very best of luck but dont get stressed out about it. Do you have any pictures of Sebastian? Would love to see what he looks like.
Take care :hug:
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If you need a voucher please remember I can give you a full cost voucher, as there may be a problem with the post I could always have a word with the vet for you and confirm I will send them a voucher the day of the op if necessary
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Got the voucher sorted, but thanks anyway. :)
Had to phone CP again as I hadnt recieved the first one and lady said it will be here by the middle of the week, so had to let Seb out and just hope he shows up again.
I had to give all my details again to the CP so dont know if she forgot to send it first time or what? And she never mentioned anything about getting the vet to flea and worm him this time. I really want him tested though because if he is going to become a resident I dont want him to be a danger to my cats.
She never said anything about testing him and because I feel rude I never asked. :doh:
She said she is off on hols for 2 weeks so someone else must be in charge maybe I could ask them?
The reason I feel rude for asking is they have helped me with a stray before and paid for the virus tests and I didnt contrabute anything towards it. Does this type of thing come under ways that the CP can help or should I be paying for them??
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She said she is off on hols for 2 weeks so someone else must be in charge maybe I could ask them?
I think you should, as you know I would have automatically have done this if it were in our area. As you are possibly keeping the cat I would think they should be more than happy to oblige, as it is one less to go on their waiting list.
The reason I feel rude for asking is they have helped me with a stray before and paid for the virus tests and I didnt contrabute anything towards it. Does this type of thing come under ways that the CP can help or should I be paying for them??
Yes it should, as you may know not all rescues help strays, (not in our area anyway) and CP is there to help all casts gifted or strays. They only time I feel a little uncomfortable about 'strays' is when people ask for help with a stray. yet they have been feeding it and allowing it into their home for years. As soon as it needs attention it becomes a 'stray' again. Although the bottom line is if a cat needs help and the owner cannot or wont provide it I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't help.
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I will phone tomorrow and ask if they will do the tests, its the only way I would feel comfortable with keeping him. :shy:
He's only been coming for about 6 months and I have been trying to contact his "owner" with no response. He doesn't come into the house because of my other cats. I don't think he has been going home as every time I see him he looks worse, he's got skinny and has battle scars on his face which wernt there when he first started coming round.
So this leads me to the conclusion that he cant be going home because if he were my cat coming home in this state I would of done something about it.
Maybe his "owner" thinks he is now living with me? Maybe thats why she hasn't called if she hasn't seen him?
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Right have phoned CP and asked for them to do the tests, the very kind lady said yes ;D
Right now all I have to worry about is-
A- catching him the night before, I seen him last night but before that was Sunday, I just don't know when he's going to turn up :tired:
B- if he tests positive he will be PTS.
ARGH I cant do right either way. :(
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B- if he tests positive he will be PTS.
ARGH I cant do right either way.
Although this is something we would not do if the cat was otherwise well. Many rescues just do not have the facilities for FIV/FeLV cats.
If you or someone you know cannot find somewhere for it to go until a home could be found, what is the alternative? Most rescues would not sanction a FIV?FeLV cat to put be put back out again as they would consider it irresponsible.
It is all so sad. Far too many cats are testing FIV+ and not many rescue places for them to go.
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Just have to pray I can catch him on Tues and that he tests negative. What more can I do :shy:
I suppose it wouldnt be fair of me to let him carry on running around possibly infecting other cats so I know he will have to be PTS. :(
Please pray that he isnt.
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There's no clear cut answer to this terrible dilemma.
I hope he tests negative and you can keep him. :hug:
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I know HK its awful, I hope Seb is ok and I can keep him.
At least I know what to expect if he does have it. :(
When I got the other stray sorted they didnt tell me that he would have to be PTS if he was pos untill he was actually at the vets, my head was up my behind and I felt like a murderer. Thankfully he was ok and now he's living in a good home. :)
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Not all rescues have positive cats pts. Some have separate facilities for them and try to find indoor homes where they'll be the only cat.
I've had two FLV cats. This was before FIV testing was recommended. As far as I'm aware FLV isn't that infectious - it's just passed by body fluid exchange.
I don't agree with having positive cats pts, and wish some rescues didn't have this policy.
Wishing Seb all the best.
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I don't agree with having positive cats pts, and wish some rescues didn't have this policy
I agree with you but nowadays rescues do not have room for cats that are 100% well, so sadly choices have to be made. Having said that as you know our branch of CP do have facilities for FIV cats. We can take up to 6 and right now we have 6. I dread to think if another cat is tested FIV + and apart from that well and domestic before we have homed one.
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CC please dont let him be pts if hes fiv+, its not a horrible rampant disease. So much for CP being no kill unless its suffering. Complete grapes. >:(
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Right I was told off CP that if he does test pos he will be PTS. The only opiton is not to have him tested. Argh what shall I do? I asked the vet and she said if he is pos I couldnt keep him with already having cats, she said if thats CP's policy then thats what they will have to do.
Im hoping as he did have an owner thats gone AWOL that he will be ok. He's been coming round with lots of scratches on his face obviously been fighting, I just hope its not been with a pos cat. :shy:
The tests will be carried out before he has the op as there is no point in doing the op if he is pos, this is what I've been told.
What could I do with him if he is pos???
I deflead him the other night and he is booked in for next wed.
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The only opiton is not to have him tested.
Are you happy to have him mix with your cats if he is not tested? I actually think as I have posted before that if everyone had their cats tested then many folks would be in for a shock.
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Are you happy to have him mix with your cats if he is not tested? I actually think as I have posted before that if everyone had their cats tested then many folks would be in for a shock.
I'm sure that's quite true Ela, as most peoples perceptions of FIV = a very sick cat, where many outdoor cats could have the virus, and their owners would never know unless they had them tested specifically, as they can be healthy for years, and maybe never even show any signs of having it.
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Clare thats why im mostly anti testing. My girls could have it as they had repeated meetings with toms before i got them but they are healthy and happy and i believe they pose no threat to other cats so i wont test them.
CC, it takes a deep bite to spread it, not sharing food bowls, trays etc.
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I would not have him tested just neutered and I would be happy for him to mix with my cats as long as they did not fight.
I also do not believe in this testing cos I dont think it serves any useful purpose.
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Thyroid and diabetes need more care and attention than fiv and they dont kill those cats off, its discrimination i cry!!! :boxer:
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I'm sure that's quite true Ela, as most peoples perceptions of FIV = a very sick cat, where many outdoor cats could have the virus, and their owners would never know unless they had them tested specifically, as they can be healthy for years, and maybe never even show any signs of having it.
Having dealt with FIV cats for many years I myself would not be shocked but so many people do not know that cats cat even have FIV. I think almost every day I am told that by at least one person, so I think it is a shock for many.
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Vet says it wouldn't be good to keep him with other cats if he is pos, so I couldn't risk it for my Kitty's sake.
Gill, Ted and Seb do fight and I know Seb is a fighter cos he has war wounds.
Another reason I want him tested is because I have already lost a kitty to some sort of virus and I couldn't go through that again. Its not fair to put my own cats at risk.
Less of this talk now Seb is going to be fine and hopefully I'll be able to get my cats to like him :sneaky:
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I'm also against testing, which is why P and S have never been tested. They were feral/semi-feral before I took them on, so have most probably been in contact with the virus, as have many cats.
A lot of cats have a natural immunity to FLV/FIV, catch the virus, then throw it off. These would nevertheless test positive to the anitbody test, as the antibodies developed in throwing off the virus (conferring lifelong immunity) would still be in their body. Many cats carry the virus, but never develop the actual illness, instead they die from kidney disease, old age, RTA, or any of the other things which kills cats. Of those who carry the virus, only a small proportion go on to develop illnesses related to it.
One thing I discovered years ago when Minnie was ill was that very few vets understand the pathology of FLV or FIV and I was having constant arguments with those who wanted Minnie pts because she had an illness and was FLV positive. My argument was that the existence of the virus was coincidental. It was, she lived a healthy life for another 4years.
When I found a vet who knew more that I did, I stuck with him. He didn't advise pts, but treated the infection, which she overcame.
If you do have Seb tested, make sure you have the more expensive VIRUS test, not the ANTIBODY test. Many cats who have thrown the virus off will test positive for the antibody test when they do not carry the virus.
I wouldn't have him tested, but would introduce him into your household.
If your child was HIV positive, would you have him/her euthanised? Or isolated? Surely you'd just avoid body fluid contact with other children. The infection process of FIV/FLV are very similar to HIV, except that cats have an immunity to their diseases, humans have no immunity to HIV. (By the way, there is no cat to human transmission.)
Whatever you decide, I hope all goes well.
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Thyroid and diabetes need more care and attention than fiv and they dont kill those cats off, its discrimination i cry!!!
I suppose the thinking behind that is Thyroid and diabetes cannot be passed on and can be treated. Where as it is possible to pass on FIV. Although as you know we in Chesterfield do keep FIV cats that are otherwise well until we can find them an indoor home. Equally I know that before I was Co-ordinator and had the idea of a FIV unit in a very short space of time they had 38 cats tested and 35 were FIV+. That would I expect have been an impossible for the Co-ordinator at the time as they were and we still are always full and long waiting lists.
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If your child was HIV positive, would you have him/her euthanised? Or isolated?
If it were my own cat and I found it FIV+ or FeLV then I would keep the little one as it would have already mixed with the rest of the family. However, I would not knowingly take in a FIV cat, knowing my own cats are all neg. I just would not take the risk. As I have mentioned numerous times we home many FIV cats but only as indoor cats and to homes where there are no other cats or a resident FIV cat.
CC has stated Another reason I want him tested is because I have already lost a kitty to some sort of virus and I couldn't go through that again. Its not fair to put my own cats at risk.
and I think we must respect her wishes about that.
Hopefully Seb will be neg but the only other thing I could suggest is would anyone on here be prepared to take him should he prove FIV+?
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I will have him tested and then will have to go from there. Like Ela said this virus can be passed on and I'm not keeping up with their jabs just to bring danger into their home, its not fair on them. I have more feelings and love for my own cats and need to do whats right by them. I cant risk loosing one or all of them for my own selfishness.
I know this sound's harsh on Seb and I do like him but I have to look after number 1, 2, 3 and 4.
Don't get me wrong I am feeling like total poo about this.
Anyway start sending the good vibes he will be ok ;D
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I know this sound's harsh on Seb and I do like him but I have to look after number 1, 2, 3 and 4.
You are not sounding harsh, just realistic. You have to do what is right for you and your family.
You are doing Seb a favour by taking him to the vets, whatever the outcome, He cannot be allowed wondering the streets it is not fair on him or other cats FIV or not.
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I know, just peeps making my head spin incase he does have to be PTS.
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Personally, I only test cats if they are poorly and if I had one in positive, I would not pts unless they were ill with it. FIV is quite hard to transmit and if the cat isn't a fighter and he gets his nuts chopped, then chances of it passing on FIV are virtually nil. The fact the cat is already living in the neighbourhood and has been mixing with the other cats, it's pointless having it done imho, if it's going to be transfered, chances are it would have done so by now and as others have said, peeps may be surprised if they all had theirs tested. I would read up all the literature on FIV before making this non reversiable decision..........once the decision is made, there is no turning back!! I've got a good FIV article I can send you CC if you want it.
Modified to add It sounds like your vets are going to be doing an inhouse test..........a lot of healthy cats have been put to sleep on a stupid inhouse test, when in fact, they've tested negative when the proper test in Glasgow has been performed. If you're going to go along with this, at least make sure they send the test away so he's not pts for nothing.
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I thought the test would be one of those in-house tests, she said it takes about 10 mins. Do they cost about £40?
He is a fighter, he comes with battle scars all over his face.
I've only lived here for 10 months so I don't know how he is around the neighbourhood, there don't seem to be that many cats around here. My cats have had their jabs and they tend to stay near home and in the nearby gardens.
The only reason I wanted him tested is he may come to live here and I don't want to put my cats at risk, him and Ted have a good slagging match you see and he goes for my others.
I don't know whats best for him, get him tested and try and introduce him to my home or not get him tested and he will have to go back on the streets?
Even if he does test pos would the CP not let me have him back?
I have been told if he does test pos not to let him back on the streets as he may infect other cats and really I don't think I could cope with that as some cats that carry FIV/ FIVL don't show signs and can be ok but other cats could get ill very quickly and die. I don't think that would be fair as I have been through that myself.
Swings and roundabouts. :-:
Yes Dawn could you send me that article, thanks.
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I thought the test would be one of those in-house tests, she said it takes about 10 mins. Do they cost about £40?
Yes in hosue tests usually take 10mins although some vets will phone a few hours later with the results. It's better to pay the extra and get the definitive Glasgow test done as the in-house one can have false positives and false negatives.
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Its the CP thats paying for the tests, and she said theres no point in doing the op if he is pos, so what can I do?
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and CP def won't pay for the Glasgow test? Can you afford to pay the difference in cost between the in-house one and the Glasgow one? Just wondered if that might be a way to get the Glasgow one done.
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If the test will be done in 10 minutes, then it's an inhouse and totally unreliable. The fact he comes in with battle scars doesn't mean he'll be the instigator in a fight and nor does it mean he'll have FIV. The fact he isn't neutered, he will be picked on by all unneutered toms, as they all want to be top cat in their territory. Once neutered, most toms do settle down........I took George in about 4 years ago, he was battle scarred, and looked tired and was limping, he should have been returned to where he came from but soft cow here, felt sorry for him so he stayed. He is the softest lump going and all he wants is a comfy spot, a warm place and food and he's happy......he doesn't start any squabbles and is just happy to be.
If I was in your shoes, I would get him neutered and tested but in the mean time, try and get a home lined up just in case he is positive. If he's FIV, it doesn't mean that he has to be ill or that he'll pass it on, you only have to read the literature and the post on here to see that an FIV plus can live a long healthy life. Cats pass it on through fighting and the passing of bodily fluids......if he's no nuts, he won't be mating and chances are he won't be fighting either ;)
Just tell the CP you have a home lined up........they won't know any different, get him neutered whether positive or not, and then we'll try and sort something out for him.
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Where could I find him a home? Obviously my local CP dont want to take him. Im quite willing to let him live here if thats what he wants only if he tests neg though.
That sounds awful
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What area are you in and have you got any piccies of him?
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With the in-house test he could test negative and still have it. Equally he could test postive and not have it so it's really not worth the risk.
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North East dont have any pics but can get some, when he turns up. He looks like the Felix cat but more white. I think he may be about 3?
I do have a soft spot for him though so he will only need to be rehomed if he has FIV or my cats wont take to him.
I know there are other cat rescues around here but would they take on an FIV cat?
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North East where?.......not road or anything but area so I can put a few feelers out just in case. If you can get some piccies and send me the details, I'll see what I can do in the meantime.
Some rescues may offer to take him........it would be worth a try but make sure they don't take him, and then put him down.
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Some rescues may offer to take him........it would be worth a try but make sure they don't take him, and then put him down.
Thats another BIG concern. :scared:
Could you send the FIV article, is it an email?
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Yeah, it's in email form......pm your email address and I'll send it to you :)
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CC
The reason why I haven't come forward to offer Seb my proverbial offer of the spare room, while you await the Glasgow result - if that's the way you intend going - is not because he is potentially FIV positive, but because he is unneutered. Try keeping a tom used to roaming in one room and he'll tear the door down eventually. Or escape by dashing past someone coming in to feed him. And if he did, he would no doubt come face to face with my Jumpy... Normally, Jumpy tolerates visitor cats well. But as an unneutered tom, Seb is certainly a territorial threat and I can't take the risk of a battle effecting Jumpy's heart disease.
If Seb is positive, will you still keep him? If you will, get him neutered first - then get the test. If you won't keep him, he still needs to be neutered before anyone else can act to find him an indoor home. Once he has been relieved of his family jewelry, the fighting will stop and so will 90% of the risk of blood-blood contamination if he is positive. The only case I can see for testing him before neutering is if the result dictates him being PTS.
I can only offer my personal experience of a brush with FeLV. When I adopted Tilly from Battersea, we were also going to adopt her pal, whom we had to wait for whilst she was weaning kittens. Tilly's pal was due to be free in a couple of weeks after we took Tilly home. A few days later, the Battersea vet called us to say that Tilly's pal and the kittens had tested FeLV pos. Both Mum and babies were PTS. :'( They wanted me to bring Tilly back for the test... I'm afraid they are still waiting. :evillaugh: I took the decision that Tilly would be happy as an indoor cat if needs be, had her tested independently and she was negative. The only thing the result effected for me was whether she was allowed out or not. The only thing the result effected as far as Battersea were concerned, was whether she lived or died. Big difference!
Now, I know you've got some big thinking to do, CC, but if I were you and you really want to help Seb, focus on his future as an FIV positive cat. Could you find him an indoor home?
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I've sent the article CC, with it there is an article on FeLV and also one on the Cats Action Trusts blood testing policy......all articles are really good and are written by a vet. If anyone else want's a copy, if you can pm me your email address, I'll send them to you.
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If you are having a rethink and rehoming him if he's positive rather than pts, make sure this is made clear to the CP and the vets BEFORE you take him for neutering. I would get both done at the same time and have him tested whilst under. I have known of cases before when regardless of a home being offered if FIV positive, they have still gone ahead and done what they want and pts....and yes, this has been the CP. Get it in writing if need be that whatever the result, he will not be PTS.
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Thanks Pinkbear but I think your too far away.
Seb is booked in to be neutered on Wed, so hopefully he will turn up on Tues night (who am I trying to kid )
Something else, I know I will have to sign the form for consent for his neuter but will there be one for the tests? If there is I just wont sign it.
I will have a talk with the vet and ask if I could have him back if he is pos.
The vet said if its CP's policy to PTS then thats what they will do but if I can tell the vet I have someone who can take him then Im sure she would have a heart and let me do that.
Im guessing they give cats back that do test pos to rescues that dont have this policy?
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Under no curcumstances do I want him PTS and they will only do this if he is pos. Im going to talk with the vets about this.
And they will only do this because its the CP policy.
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Because CP are paying for the blood testing, sadly you may not have a choice in it.....this is why it needs sorting before you take the cat in. Someone I know had the same offer on a colony of feral cats she was trapping, CP wanted to blood test all but if positive, they would be destroyed >:( She ended up paying for the whole lot herself, this was the only way to avoid the CP's policy. Sometimes with large organisations, they will stick to rules regardless of what's on offer, even if it's a difference between saving an animals life, and ending one >:( :censored:
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... at this point, just want to point out Canterbury CP have an FIV cat, Mabel, who they are actively trying to rehome. ;) As far as I know, individual groups make and adhire to their own rules.
But if they are paying, the vet has to abide by who is signing the cheques. A way round this would be to pay for it yourself, or get someone with a different policy to pay, CC... :shify:
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Sorry, I should have pointed out this isn't CP's standard policy. Branches are given guidelines and it's up to the individual branches, what route they follow......sadly a few take the easy option >:(
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:grouphug: for Dawn
That's what makes things worse in my view. Someone locally has chosen to make the rule that even if an FIV positive cat has an offer of a good indoor home, they will be PTS as standard practice. Since when did this class as common sense, let alone in the cat's best interest?
As I said, when you come across a massive obsticle, just go round it... :sneaky:
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It sounds as though some branches of CP have a "culling" policy. Maybe this is part of a concerted effort to eradicate FLV/FIV? If so, it's a policy I thoroughly disapprove of.
I can only echo what everyone has said about the uselessness of the in-house test. Your own cats would now test positive using this type of test cc, because the vaccination leaves antibodies in the bloodstream. The in-house test tests for the presence of the antibodies, not the virus, so your own cats would test as positive.
There are many scenarios in which the in-house test is useless:
if a cat has been vaccinated
if a cat has been in contact with the virus, but thrown it off (a third of all cats can do this)
For these, and other reasons, the test is useless, and you MUST HAVE THE VIRUS TEST DONE AT GLASGOW. This will take about two weeks, because they actually grow the virus from the sample (it grows if the virus is in the sample). I don't know how much this costs, as it's about 20 years since Bella and Minnie were tested by Glasgow.
Do you let your cats out? If so, they probably come across positive cats all the time. Once Seb is neutered, he'll be as little threat to them as any other cat they might meet outside. (Surely this is what the vaccine is supposed to protect them from?)
If I were in your position, I'd get Seb neutered and vaccinated and not bother with the testing.
Whatever you decide to do, don't have Seb pts, and don't be bullied by CP. Learn as much as you can about the conditions before making a decision. There's lots of info on the 'net. Knowledge is power.
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When I took Blackie to the CP vet they were sure he wouldnt have this disease and said that this area (where i live) is not a hot spot....obviously they would of known as would of seen it in other ferals......they did put the point across that if he had to go back out in the wild it would not be fair on him or other cats who may come into contact with him....it would just spread....
Although Im a animal lover in this case if the cat cant be homed then i agree that pts is the best option....thing is Seb is friendly to humans so bit of a different case :)
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Sorry, I should have pointed out this isn't CP's standard policy. Branches are given guidelines and it's up to the individual branches, what route they follow......sadly a few take the easy option
I think nowadays more and more branches are keeping the FIV cats. I know I am receiving mail and phone calls from many branches at different parts of the country about FIV cats and asking about our 'safe haven'. I also know a number of branches have FIV cats in now looking for homes.
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(Surely this is what the vaccine is supposed to protect them from?)
There is no injection for FIV in the UK
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There are many scenarios in which the in-house test is useless:
I wouldn't say that exactly. We have numerous cats tested every year. Only once has it ever been confirmed by Glasgow that it was wrong and even on that occasion our vet advised us that the tests were not conclusive. I know there are different brands of testing kits so perhaps some brands are more reliable than other also perhaps at some vets the 'tester' is not as efficient as they should be and not quite doing thing right.
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So if I pay for the test myself they have no right to PTS because they have not paid for it? How much does it cost?
Things are going too good, he turned up last night and he is here now, I've never had him come round 2 days in a row before. I just hope he keeps up and shows on Tues.
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There is no injection for FIV in the UK
On my cats vacs form it says Feline Panleucopaenia, Feline Viral Rhinotrachetis, Feline Calicivirus and Feline Leukaemia.
How come there is not protection from FIV?
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How come there is not protection from FIV?
Pass, but possibly because the FIV test is not considered reliable enough in the UK.
So if I pay for the test myself they have no right to PTS because they have not paid for it? How much does it cost?
Of course if you pay for the tests you will be doing it as a private person then the decision is yours.
I would suggest that if you go down this route you keep Seb separate from your cats until you know the result unless you intend to mix him whatever the result. Also if he was FIV+ and you are not going to keep him you will need to have found him an alternative home.
Personally I am not prepared to place a FIV + cat in my home with my cats, although it perhaps is easy for me to say that as I have access to a facility for a FIV cats. Although at the moment we have our full capacity (6)
I am hoping after all this he is FIV-
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I think i paid about £55 each for mine to be tested via Glasgow. Results took about 2 weeks.
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Now my head is spinning, I've just read Dawn's article and it says FIV is shown in cats having Gingivitis and stomatitis which Ollie has. Although he has been tested via Glasgow and they came back negative.
When I got Ollie he was in bad health, had runny eyes was not weaned, and my other 2 cats got very ill and 1 of them died within a week of getting sick. Ollie was a hyper kitten and it all started from a limp in the cat who died. I'm starting to think he is the culprit.
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Although he has been tested via Glasgow and they came back negative
Therefore do not worry. I have had cats with gingivitis and were tested, all were neg and went on to live years, althought some needed all their teeth removed apart from their fangs
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Good luck with him, I would ask how much the Glasgow test is, my vets only charge £34 for it, and dont do in house tests (yet the rescues vet charged me £60 for the same thing). Just a few things - Hippy mentioned about cats shaking off the virus - that is only the case for FeLV, not FIV, so FeLV+ tests should actually be repeated 12 weeks later, as they could have come into contact with it, and deal with the virus. FeLV is also easier spread than FIV. There is a vaccine for FIV in the US, but it has some issues at the moment, as it shows the cat to be postive on the blood tests, and they haven't got a test that can distinguish between teh actual virus and the vaccine, so it isn't popular. Only 2 of mine have ever been tested, both due to the vet insisting, mine are older, have been outside adn still go outside, so I dont see the point - and as long as neither cat was a fighter, I would have + and - together.
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Its even worse if they pts without double checking, isnt it something like 40% of felv and 10% of fiv inhouse tests give false positives?
CC, he's already mixing with your cats and having fistycuffs, hes more of a risk now then once neutered.
Simons mouth was bad before his extractions even tho hes negative (tested before i got him) so i wouldnt doubt Ollies result.
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42% for FeLV and 7% for FIV, plus I think it is 5% of false negatives for FIV too. not good enough odds for me to ever use them, so am very glad my vets dont do in house tests full stop, although the rescues vet pushes them.
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So obviously vets know that these tests can be wrong sometimes, do you think they would let me do a test and get it sent to Glasgow if the first is pos?
My cats do fight with him but its only been verbal up to now, I always manage to separate them.
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So obviously vets know that these tests can be wrong sometimes, do you think they would let me do a test and get it sent to Glasgow if the first is pos
They should take enough blood so that some can be sent to Glasgow if necessary. However, as previously advised I have never had a false neg and only 1 false poss in many years and hundreds of test we have had taken. and even with that one the vet said the result was not conclusive.
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So the outcome of the test will be 99% accurate?
I'm going to have him tested to put my own mind at ease. I know some peeps think there is no reason to test a healthy cat but you must understand I need to do this to keep my own cats safe. If I don't have him tested I will only worry and things wont go as planned with trying to take him into my home. At least when I have had him tested and I know he is clear I wont be so worried about the cat fights that are going to follow.
As I have said Ted does not like Seb in the house and so far he has only been in the kitchen and Ted yowells his head off then, so of course I'm expecting some fights between them when he finds Seb in other rooms in the house. This is Ted's house and thats the only way he will see it.
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What will you do with Seb if his results are positive?
Please consider this before you have him tested. Will you have the poor mite pts?
They are only fighting because he isn't neutered.
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I have considered it and no I don't want him PTS. Tell me what can I do if he is pos?
It is not me that said to PTS it was the CP, so its not me that has made that decision, I totally disagree with it too.
I think I have explained enough that I cannot take the risk with my cats, would you do it with yours?
Under no curcumstances do I want him PTS and I will wait at the vets to make sure that does not happen if I have to.
The vet has only said that they have to follow CP policy but if I'm there to take him they cannot do that.
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Under no curcumstances do I want him PTS and I will wait at the vets to make sure that does not happen if I have to.
Surely you'll just take the cat to the vet to have his blood taken, then go home with him and phone the vet two weeks later when the results come back from Glasgow. Seb won't be at the vet when the results are known, unless you let the CP do the inhouse test.
Are you very short of money and unable to pay for the Glasgow test yourself? If this is the case, it would be best if you didn't consider taking Seb in, but allow him to remain as a stray, untested and alive. The rescue peeps will now be up in arms, sorry folks, but that is what I would do if I was in cc's shoes and couldn't afford to pay for the virus test myself.
Would I take in a positive cat? Polly and Sam are probably both positive. I don't know. I don't want to know. Knowing is like having a black cloud hanging over your cats. You wait each day for signs that the end is coming. Even if it's years before they show symptoms, the knowledge is like the sword of Damaclus (sp?) waiting to drop.
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He needs neutering and thats what he is going to the vets for.
As for the money situation I am due a baby and need to get sorted for that, if it wernt for the baby coming I would pay for him to be tested and neutered but this will cost around £100 and thats just not do able at this time.
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If finances are that tight because of the coming baby, it may be wise to think about the future costs of Seb. The CP won't regard him as a stray after you've homed him, and his vet costs will be yours. (Correct me if this is wrong ela.)
It's sounding more and more like you can't take this cat on, so it may be wise to think of some alternatives. Some way down the thread one of the rescue peeps offered to put out feelers concerning a new home for him, even if this is an indoor, one-cat home (if he's positive); it may be worth taking up the offer. I don't know if there's some way you can find a suitable home for him via CatChat rescue.
This may be the best way to go - finding him a new home. You might even get help with the testing and neutering etc from a rescue which doesn't pts. I would suggest contacting some of the peeps on this site for help.
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The vet has only said that they have to follow CP policy
It is not CP policy it is the Policy of your local Branch.
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I am glad you are still going to take him to be neutered CC, can I just say again that Hippy's advice of leaving an unneutered tom as a stray is incredibly wrong, regardless of whether the cat is positive or not - I imagine that every single rescue in the country is struggling to cope with the amount of cats needing homes at the moment, and leaving cats like Seb just adds to that problem.
I personally wouldnt' take him in if I were you CC, you have already admitted that Ted doesn't like him, you want him testing to make sure it is fair on yours, but yet ignoring that one of them doesnt like him - yes, it might get better once his hormones die down, but you are looking at weeks for that to happen.
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Are you very short of money and unable to pay for the Glasgow test yourself? If this is the case, it would be best if you didn't consider taking Seb in, but allow him to remain as a stray, untested and alive. The rescue peeps will now be up in arms, sorry folks
In my opinion that would be irresponsible and not the actions of a cat lover.
Benefits of Neutering (males):
Reduces or eliminates risk of spraying and marking
Less desire to roam, therefore less likely to be injured in fights or road traffic accidents.
Risk of testicular cancer is eliminated, and decreases the incidence of prostate disease & the chances of getting i FIV & FeLV
Reduces the number of unwanted cats/kittens
Decreases aggressive behaviour,
Helps cats live 3 – 5 YEARS LONGER, healthier lives
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Correct me if this is wrong ela.)
I can't answer for CC's Cats Protection branch group as we all do what we can with the funds we have. We in Chesterfield would pay any vets bills if necessary (if a cat were a stray and the finder agreed to keep it) that were proper to any problems the cat had that were found when the cat had the MOT and perhaps bloods.
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I will correct myself- its MY LOCAL CP'S policy.
I am going to get him neutered, I don't think it fair to leave him on the streets, after all he will just keep coming round to my house and the problem will still be going on.
As for vets bills I know I will have to pay them but I expect this if I take him on, he will then be my cat.
Ted can be sorted out, he's usually a docile cat so I think I could work things out, like I said I'm here to break up any fights. And I think he's only like that because Seb is spraying in the garden.
I have asked someone from here for help with finding a home if things don't work out.
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I will correct myself- its MY LOCAL CP'S policy.
That is OK the vet may well have said CP policy as perhaps yours is the only CP branch they deal with.
am going to get him neutered, I don't think it fair to leave him on the streets, after all he will just keep coming round to my house and the problem will still be going on.
Good for you and listening to sound advice and realizing that is is not only in Sebs interest you have him neutered, but the interest of the neughbourhoold cats including your own.
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CC, well done for looking after Seb in this way.
I know what you are feeling, as we went through the same thing with Tatty in December last year. At least at that time, when the CP vet told us that Tatty was FIV+, even though they implied that they thought that we should have him PTS, because we told them we were prepared to keep him as an indoor cat, separate to our existing gang, they let us take him back home.
We were worried about our existing cats, bacause they had been associating with Tatty for about a year before we found out about his FIV status, and he was a very different cat to your Seb. He was so very scared of people to begin with that he would lash out with his claws and bite if you got too close to him. However, it took a while, but about two or three months after being neutered, he became a totally different cat. He loves the attention of people now, and the only problem that we have is that he hates being picked up. We carried out introductions to our non-FIV cats very carefully and very slowly after Tats had settled down, and we now trust him completely with Gizzy, Suki and Sweepy, but not with Tommy. However, because I am around all day I can ensure that Tommy and Tatty can either aviod each other, or get to their respective refuges safely when necessary.
I understand your worries, but I can only say that we have never for one instant regretted bringing Tatty into our family. It hasn't always been easy, but is has certainly been worth it. In fact, our latest waif and stray (as our vet has called Tabs) is currently at the vet today for his neutering and dental treatment, and his Glasgow FIV test came back as positive.
I'm so pleased to hear that you are going ahead with the neutering. If you do go ahead with the FIV test on Wednesday, then I hope this comes back as negative.
:luck:
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Thanks Sylvia and all the peeps that think I'm doing right. :hug:
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Are you very short of money and unable to pay for the Glasgow test yourself? If this is the case, it would be best if you didn't consider taking Seb in, but allow him to remain as a stray, untested and alive.
No where here do I suggest that Seb should remain unneutered. I was just suggesting that if cc was being held over a barrel by CP's culling policy, then it would be best not to test him, with all that might imply regarding his life.
CC, for a different take on this, please read Sylvia's thread.
http://www.chaptanservices.com/purrs/index.php?topic=5513.75
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Apologies for reading that wrong then.
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CP's culling policy,
As previously posted CP in general do not have a culling policy. It is for each individual branch to decide what they can do for cats. While I appreciate all cats are equally deserving. If you have no spaces and very little funds what do they do? They have to ensure they have the funds for the little ones already in care. They cannot mix FIV cats, (then again we are not allowed to mix cats from a different situations anyway). FIV cats usually take a little longer to home and it would be considered cruel to keep them in pens for over 6 months. You would have to find a fosterer with no other cats and that is not going to happen as if you had a fosterer with a space a cat for the long waiting list would be taken in. Therefore you need a special FIV unit like ours, (can be seen in the gallery on our site) for that you need to raise a lot of money and also have land to build it on. or someone willing to have a cat palace in a cat safe garden. I truly do not think any branch makes the decision to PTS lightly, however, they can only do what they can with the funds, manpower and facilities they have available. If more cat lovers volunteered to help with fostering, fundraising and the numerous jobs that are necessary to make a rescue work then things will improve. But until then rescuers can only do what they have with what they have got. Many people in CP rescue are available 24/7 which for slaves unpaid volunteers is in my opinion a credit to CP.
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I don't know of anything else I can say on this?
I feel I have explained all I can.
As I have said Seb has been a stray for about 6- 7 months, he started coming round before I had my kitten neutered I done the paper collar thing and his "owner" left a message on my phone. I have called her back many times but got no response. In the last few months he has been coming round with more and more battle scars on his face and I just figured that he cant be going home as if he were my cat coming home in that state I would of done something about it.
So I guess she has given up on him and I'm not waisting my time on her any more, whats the point if she cant even be bothered to phone me back? She obviously isn't going to get him sorted herself, so I will have to do it.
Seb is booked in for tomorrow Im praying he turns up today. :shy:
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I don't know of anything else I can say on
You have very well and we are thankful for what you are doing.
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In the mean time if anyone could give me some places that take FIV cats that would be much appreciated. North east area. :)
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I listed 2 rescues on the most recent thread in the fiv section. To get him in somewhere safe may require him going on a car journey or two :shy:
Fingers crossed the butter turns up.
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"Good Luck" for catching Seb.....hope he turns up tonight for you ;)
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Oh well I knew things were going too good, Seb the little swine has decided not to turn up I will have to phone the vets tomorrow and apologise profusely and rearrange it all for another day. I should of said "Seb" permitting. If he carries on eluding me I may have to do it myself. :sneaky:
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Have you read Sylvia's thread about Tabs? Her story is very similar to yours. Tab turned out to be Fiv positive, but she's keeping him with her cats anyway. Her more relaxed attitude may reassure you.
I hope everything goes well with Seb. Paws crossed that he turns up. (We need a fingers crossed emoticon!) :hug:
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and rearrange it all for another day
Rather than arrange a day, I would explain the situation to the vet and ask that the next time (apart from weekend) he turns up you can take him to the vet immediately. We do this all the time.
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I have explained the situation to the vets.
Im keeping my mouth shut about this for a while. :shy:
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I cant even see right now for tears.
Was just about to get into bed last night ( 2am because I was waiting for Seb ) I looked out of the window and who was walking up my path.
I didn't want to say anything to jeopardise the chances. ;D
Seb is ok the tests came back both negative and he has been neutered
I cant believe it I'm so over the moon.
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Yay....that's great news.....so glad he is not positive, does that mean you might be keeping him also?
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That's great news ;D ;D ;D
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Awww CC, I'm over the moon for both you and Seb, what a relief......we want lots of piccies of your new furbabe now :hug: :cheer:
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does that mean you might be keeping him also?
Do you fancy a new lodger? lol.
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cant believe it I'm so over the moon.
Ans so I am sure are all of us ;D
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Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, big sigh of relief.
I'm going to pick him up after 2, I still cant believe it.
I knew he would be ok ( I think ) as I don't think I would of had him tested if I had a "bad" feeling.
I will get some pics of him later.
Now I have to convince the others :tired:
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Just remember its time & patience from now on in.......and as the weeks pass Seb will lose the urge to fight & roam etc, etc...... ;)
ps. errr no thanks lol!
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:cheer: Woo Hoo, fantastic news ;D
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Seb is home :)
Im going to keep him here over night and if he wants to go out tomorrow (thats if he is ok, he seems ok) I will have to let him. I hope he will return though.
My cats seem to be fine I think they know he is here but they arnt making a fuss. Now I just have to try to get them to accept him. They should be a little less bothered now he is not spraying all over.
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CC, I'm so happy for you and Seb ;D
Well done! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: You must be so relieved :yes:
Can't wait to see some pics of the gorgeous boy :gimme:
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When talking to your OH earlier i mentioned Seb and he didnt seem to mind the thought of him staying :wow: ;)
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Phewwwwwwwww so pleased ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It takes a while for the hormones to reduce after spaying but I am sure he will become a loveable home boy soon ;D
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Glad things went well, I would try and keep him in longer than that though, he can still produce sperm for a few weeks.
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So glad he's ok ;D
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Let my lot out last night so Seb could have an oogle around the house (about 8pm) and what has the little butter done? He has escaped through a very small window. Have not seen him yet either.
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Im sure he'l be back when he gets over the initial shock......he'l start losing his urges and wonder what the hell he's doing ;)
I still see him becoming more attatched to indoors than Ollie lol! x
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It can take a couple of weeks before his hormones dissapear. After that, he'll suddenly realise where the easy life is. :evillaugh:
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I still havent seen him, I hope he is ok. He was steady on his feet and seemed ok yesterday but still.
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I still havent seen him, I hope he is ok. He was steady on his feet and seemed ok yesterday but still.
Tramp did the same thing but he turned up the next day.
I know its easier said than done but try not to worry xxx
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Still no sign. I usually didnt see him for a few days at a time anyway but with him having the op I want to know he is ok.
Im hoping he has gone "home" and if he has the problems will be sorted for both of us. I wouldnt mind if he wanted to stay here but obviously he dosnt want to. :shy:
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Give him time, I am sure he will be back...................maybe he is just upset :-:
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Yes and hopefully I wont be seeing many more "stray" cats as he will be going around saying "look what she done to me" :rofl:
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Still no sign. I usually didnt see him for a few days at a time anyway but with him having the op I want to know he is ok.
Sometimes in these cases they go back to their owner with 'their tail between their teeth' ;D/. I know this happened to a ginger cat that 'someone' ;D borrowed and had neutered. I know because the owner rang to say it was missing when in fact ‘someone’ ;D knew where it was, then a few days later the owner rang to say it had come back, I asked if it was OK and she said yes but I think it has had a fight with another cat, I didn't like to tell her that perhaps it had a fight with the vet. That cat was rarely seen after that near the persons house who borrowed it but was seen often near its real home.
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I do hope so. I just want him to call round to let me know he is ok.
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Worry is over, Seb came round last night and put my mind at rest, the last time I seen him was 11 days ago but now I know he is ok. He came and waited at the back door to be fed, he ate in the house. He also stuck around for about 10 minutes having a fuss and he seemed to be a bit more nosey around the garden, no spraying and then running off. My cats were ok with him actually and his war wounds are starting to clear up good.
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Good news, glad he decided to pop back by :Luv:
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thats great and i bet hes back again shortly ;D
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Am glad to hear that