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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2011, 16:27:14 PM
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I havent seen Sasa since Saturday but was sure she was coming in to eat until two nights ago when I wasnt sure whether she ate or whether it was Misa.
I stayed up all last night but missed the cat who ate between 0400 and 0430 and again it may have been Misa.
I have been trying to gradually get her used to changes at the back door and eventually coming through a second flap so I could open up the house and take down the barrier in the hall which is stopping Lupin from getting outside where he could be killed on the road.
Sasa is scared of all people and the traffic and have found one house that she spends a lot of time in their garden at the back and she never goes to the front. They havent seen her since Saturday either but the weather has been truely terrible.
Although I couldnt see all the way behind she doesnt seem to be under the bonsai section next door but one but its a very good place to stay warm and dry.
I just want to at least see her and am very worried at the moment as she hasnt been in at least since 0430.
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Sending vibes your way!
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Oh dear Gill :hug:. C'mon Sasa show your pretty face your mum is worried!
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:hug: for you Gill and sending come home vibes for Sasa
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OMG she is in eating ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have just got back from knocking on more doors and she looks like she has been quite wet.............not attempting to go close and scare her.
Thank you for the vibes they worked ;D ;D ;D ;D
The relief, pure relief.
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I'm delighted to hear this Gill, its such a shame she is reacting so badly to all the change, its one of those times you wish they could talk :hug:
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Glad she is back
Have you thought about biting the bullet and keeping everyone in for a couple of weeks and remove the barriers, it will be noisy and a tad annoying but it measn that they will all see each other and the barrier can come down and they can all interact
I have done this over the years and once the first week is over the ferals settle in and find places to hide so that they can all get used to each other, you may have to play referee but it will help in the long run, I have integrated over 30 ferals using this technique and the majority are now indoor/outdoor and in everynight
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Thanks Dawn, I just wish I could stroke her and tell her everything is OK but cant touch her at all, in fact right now cant get within 10 ft of her.........sigh
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Glad she is back Gill!
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:thanks: and she has been in to eat again ;D
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It would be so nice if the little S*D would just let you cuddle her and keep her in. They always want there own chuffing way :evillaugh: ;) :Luv2: :hug:
Mary
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Gill think you need to bite the bullet and keep her in for a couple of days as long as she can hide from everyone she will soon settle and I thought you said she was due to go to the vet soon
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No Liz thats the one thing I cant do, she will go crazy as is terrified to be locked in, thats why she is doing what she is doing cos she thinks I am trying to catch her.
Vets are out of the question until she settles again.
If I was to lock her in she would hurt herself trying to get out and once she got out she would run away completely, been there, done it!
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Phew, glad she is back, and eating :hug:
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Thank you ;D
I am waiting for her next visit which should be in next couple of hours I think :shify:
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Howabout some Zylkene on her wet food to aid with calming, you need to get this sorted soon as the really bad weather is coming and its not fair her home isn't her own anymore and if Lupin is chipped to the catflap he can't use it so the barriers should be able to come down
Its just so sad that she is not coming in as much I know my ferals and they don't like being cold and wet in fact they are circling the garage outside waiting for tea and heatpads, at least mine have shelter they will use and stay close to home and I do see the outside ones most nights about midnight when the heatpads and fresh water are put out
All very well saying but it needs doing Gill and yes that may be harsh but you have been talking about it for nearly 3 months and the situation is worsening by reading your posts
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Sasa has a place right near the back door that is warm and dry..................the shed and it has a flap which I put in a few months ago so she had some where to go if she wanted to hide. It now also has a kennel off the floor with a lovely vet bed inside which is all dry and snuggley. The flap is pegged open cos she wont go in there unless it is.
She used it for a while but wont anymore.....................why? I dont have a clue.
She doesnt have any excuse for what she is doing except she wants to!
When the weather went cold about a month ago, she stayed inside much more and I was scared to go in kitchen incase she rushed out but found I could walk past her and do things as long as I didnt look at her.
I am not going to do anything to her food that may stop her coming to eat and I dont want her to get so calm it overrides her fear instincts and makes her curious about getting to the front or going in nasty neighbours garden. This could end up with her death and am not willing to risk that. At least this way she is in control of what she does and she is a feral at heart and maybe was a feral all the time not just living with them for years as CP guessed.
I think that the weather has a lot to do with this because its just like October here temperature wise, well maybe a bit cooler especially at night but I am not going to lock in a feral and totally destroy what little confidence she still has in her home.
I saw first hand the panic on Sat when she was caught in the cage by the back door and she left rather than try the open cat flap into the house, which resulted in me not seeing her again till last night, although I think she came back to eat when I was in bed and the house was totally dark.
I havent just been talking about anything over last 3 months as yyou can tell from all my posts, I have been slowly trying to get her used to changed circumstances at the flap but two small mistakes on my part caused us to go backwards.
My mother asked why I was so patient with my cats and the answer is quite simple................I love them.
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Gill, Zylkene takes the edge off them it does not make them in to Zombies who stop fearing things that they won't loose they just feel more calm and relaxed but they still have all their faculties about them
If she was caught in the cage then that is the problem it make take months to get her used to it again and she may not want to come in because of the cage her wholw world is upside down she can't get to places because of barriers and stuff that changed in such a short time and she obviously still feels Lupin is a threat even if you think he isn't, she will feel he is the reason for change and I know how much they can blame the human some of ours are still greiving for Diva and make us very aware of it
I love all my cats to and now only have one unhandlable because I have worked hard on introductions and ahve heeded advice and have a happy home in fact only on internal door is shut in my house and that keeps the kids seperate and they do that themselves in the morning apart fro Houston and Miami who are still in training and love chasee in the morning
Gill its not just the flap that is making her like this despite what you tell yourself and as you say she has very little confidence in her home now ask yourself why she has gone from being around most of the time to not wanting to come in except tp bolt food incase she is disturbed
Even my outside ferals don't bolt they pop up in to the rafters when I am putting food out for them and the same with the heatpads may be she needs a heatpad in the shed and some catnip and valarian scattered to make it seem more homely also suggest washing the bed in case someone had been in and sprayed it it won't smell like her if that is the case
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Liz if you dont agree with what I am doing then please stay off the threads, the barrier in the hall was your idea in the first place.
One minute you are saying I have been talking about things for 3 months and now you are saying things have happened in a short time...............make your mind up.
You know I do not agree with using Zykline so stop pushing it.
She was in the cage and could get out in both directions and it was for about 10 seconds. I do not have a mansion and an estate and if you think you work hard with your cats you are insulting me if you dont think thats what I have been doing! Its just I dont agree with the way you do things just as much as you dont agree with the way I do things.
I have to, whether you like it or not, to be able to get Misa and Sasa in and out of the back door with Lupin safely inside and it means a permanent cage or extra door that they both have to get used to and if you were uptodate with what I have posted then you would know this and how its now going to be a door because I cant see the 'cage' arrangement working.
Right now there is nothing there, but all the time this takes to work the hall barrier has to stay in place, Lupin comes into the kitchen under supervion only or he will be out the flap. Misa can also come into the rest of the house at times if he likes.
Misa and Sasa have the rooms that they mainly used before Lupin always available to them but choose to not use them.
This thread was about Sasa not being seen for a few days, lets keep it on topic cos she is back and was eating all along.
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Gill the barrier was a temporary measure to aid your resident 3 to have access to the house not as a permanant thing which it seems to be and your tone is totally off I have a lot of knowledge and experience with ferals of all ages and types
If you are looking for answers on what to do respect advice rahter than say you don't believe in something you have never tried
At least they stand a chance with a door and would probably have been the best suggestion but you are always saying that everything costs so much
She is back but for how long!!!!
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The hall barrier is a tempory messure and it will be the door, so will not cost anymore.
You know your own situation and do not seem to understand what I say or you havent read all the posts.
If I choose not to do something that is my right and I dont care how much experience you say you have in your sitution cos most of it does not apply in ordinary size houses.
Your tone is no different to mine and I dont like it either.
Kindly stop having a go and stay off this thread which you keep taking off topic
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Gill, We lived in a normal sized house for many years with the Clan cats only now do we live in a large house and that was my OH's choice he pays the bills!!!
You ask for advice and then make a drama out of the crisis that is ongoing, try and resolve the issues by taking advice and acting on it not ignoring it all just because it might work then you would have no drama to post about
I hope Sasa stays in more for her sake with the predicted weather for next week and beyond
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It is great to have views and advice from cat lover's / rescue's experience with cats, it is one of the things that Purrs has a wealth of great knowledge to help with best advice etc It's up to individual to take note of any views or not. Please keep this calm Thank you. :hug: :hug:
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Liz please just stop
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I'm delighted Sasa is back and well. From her pics, she looks like a contented lady!
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I am so glad Sasa is home My vet recommended Zylkine and my dear old Marmalsde had it for stress which raised his blood pressure Oscar is so laid back he doesn't need it but please could you tell me why you are not keen on it. My vet is great but they are not always right and I would really value your opinion
Peggy
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Re: The zylkene debate....I'm not bringing this up to cause trouble, honestly. I'm bringing it up because I was reluctant to try it too because I thought it was actually "drugging up" a cat to calm them down. It is in fact a dried milk based product....I'm considering purchasing some on my next pay day as Sage is still very highly strung. If it was chemical based, I highly doubt I'd try it. Just wanted to say that for anyone else wondering about the product and feeling guilty for considering "doping up" their cat; which is how I was feeling!
Hope Sasa is doing OK today, Gill. :hug:
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Thank you for your advice. It is good to be able to discuss things and I am so glad that I found this site. As I said I have a great vet but another opiniion helps. I understood that Zylkine isn't a drug which is why I gave it to Marmalade He was very old but he came from a rescue in his middle years and was with me for 10 years He sadly died in March a year after his friend Monty Now there is Oscar adopted from the same rescue
I am enjoying the auction too
RIP Monty and Marmalade and all my lovely cats down the years
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Sasa stayed in last night and until about 1530 this afternoon so hoping she may want to come back tonight. ;D
Zyklene doesnt work on all cats and it can take a couple of weeks to work.
I feel safer going with vet advice but am not using it on Sasa, and of course its everyones own choice.
I am sorry for your losses Peggy :hug: :hug:
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Thank you Gill I was 80 this year (please keep that a secret!) so there have been many cats down the years all loved and all special They bring heartbreak at the end but so much joy and love and happiness as all cat lovers know Many friends said that after Marmalade there shouldn't be another. But I looked at the Rescue website and there was Oscar. The next day he arrived and the house was a home again. And the rescue had room for another needy soul
Peggy
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A wonderful age..........shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............and Oscar is lovely and its so true what they say, that a cat makes it a home ;D ;D
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I was 51 in October Peggy. Unfortunately most people already know so pointless trying to keep it a secret. ;)
I do despair that some people think they may have reached an age when they shouldn't take on the responsibility of another animal. There are so many animals in rescue needing care and so many people wanting to care for animals in need. Sharing your life with an animal is so obviously the way it was meant to be. Naturally it helps to have plans in place in case of illness but that applies at any age. Edited to add that I have just seen Oscar is registered with Cinnamon Trust :)
Delighted you took Oscar on Peggy and very much hope you are both rubbing along nicely despite his mucky paws :cat rub: :cat rub: :cat rub:
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Sorry for your losses Peggy and so glad you found Oscar and Purrs - so glad you're enjoying the Auction.
My mum is 82 in January and if she didn't have Alzheimer's and osteo porosis all over her body she would have a cat or a small dog. However her next door neighbour has a dog and their gardens connect so Paddy has 2 gardens and 2 mums cos he's always in my mum's bumgalow as soon as she opens the door.
I think Sasa is just gonna confuse you for the rest of her life Gill :rofl: ;) :hug:
Mary
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I love this quote: "I love cats because I love my home and after a while they become its visible soul." ;) Says it all really....
Glad Sasa stayed in, hope she keeps improving.
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I think its becoming a habit and think she is still catching up on sleep........the next thing is for her to stay in during the day and evening too and she was in earlier last night ;D
Its bloomin cold in here brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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She was in earlier? That's great - long may it continue. :)
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Thanks JS and she has been in quite a long time now and has done loafds of grooming and she is looking much better ;D
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Brilliant news. :)
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I'm a zylkene convert as you know Jess did clinical trials with it back in 2008 and we still use it for him now. His a different cat, in that his calm and chilled out but by no means horizontal.
We give it to Milo when we go away and when we know there maybe a stressful situation (visitors, fireworks etc)
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Clinical trials? That sounds very interesting and would love to know more about this as I have not been able to find anything online escept from the makes of zyklene
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It was back in 2008 and when Jess was hideously stressed and had a blocked bladder and then reblocked. Our vet asked us to trial this and we agreed it worked very well for us.i also talked it though with our vet director at work and as a result we have used it too. And Jess was a case study where his case was given out to vet students and practices.
I can't remember the whole ins and outs but I posted about it all on here. All happened in March/April 2008.
I certainly would never use it if it drugged Jess in anyway and it doesn't it's just sprinkles on his food once a day with cystease. In fact Incan hand feed them to Milo they are so palatable.
We have discussed taking Jess of it but there seems no point it's not harming him.
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Excuse poor grammar and spelling am on my phone!!!
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Thanks and will try and find the older thread :hug:
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The vet gave me zuylkine for Marmalade as he was so streesed and his bloodpressure was high He had blood press pills as - those you have to break into 8 pieces When poor Marmalade died aged about 20 I gave all his medication back to the vet but she said to keep the zylkine as it wasn't a drug and I might need it for my new cat. However Oscar is so laid back he doesn't need it.
Thankfully his abcess is improving
Attached picture of Marmalde when younger
Peggy and happy Oscar
RIP Marmalde
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Sorry Marmalade's picture wouldn't send Will try to find some more
Peggy
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hope you can cos was looking forward to seing Marmalade ;D
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Here is Marmalade also Monty 1992 - 2010
Both safely at rest under the plum tree in my garden one of their favourte spots
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They are both lovely ;D ;D
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I had Monty for 15 years He was given as a present to my neighbour's daughter and as soon as he grew up she lost interest in him Horrible child she didn't deserve him!
Must now email my friend in Scotland snowed in with tabby twins Tabitha and Oliver A very naughty pair but much loved
I hope Sasha is in
Take care
Peggy
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Just going to see if Sasa is in , she wasnt an hour ago and havent seen her since last night and she was drowned again..............sigh
Just dont know what is the matter with her, she is being so silly!
Gill
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Thank goodnes Oscar is much better and on my bed waiting for me Naughty Sasa Some cats seem to like the rain The other night I woke up and Oscar jumped on my bed absolutly soaked He had a good wash and then wnt out again
Peggy
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Yes thats Misa too but he doesnt stay out for hours soaking wet.
Sasa has been in and gone out again grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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I've just come out of a meeting at work about Nutraceuticals and the lack of case studies behind them etc from the companies, that might explain why you can't find much out.
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:innocent: Marmalade hopes Sasa is as spoilt, sorry, cosy as she is!
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Wow she is quite like Sasa ;D
Afraid Sasa wont currently sleep on blankets, its a huge toolbox that catches the sun if there is any, with close proximity to the cat flap........sigh
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sorry gill have been hectic all week so just saw this :hug:
no advice really, just hope your silly girl suddenly decides that a life outdoors is a bit ridiculous in this weather :Crazy:
My moms cat pansy is very into being out all day and night too so mom spends half her life worrying about her as well :shy:
hope sasa keeps in this week though as weathers awfull :(
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Today weather is blue skies and sun so she is out again........sigh
The place that she goes has more sun at this time of year cos of the bend in the road and she worships the sun, a bit like her slave LOL
She was in last night ;D
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Its been absolutely chucking it down for hours and both Misa and Sasa are out!
I have seen Sasa hovering by the shed but she blooming vanished up the garden when I went to call for Misa.
So now both of them are vanished and while I know Sasa knows what she us doing, silly cat, Misa does sit out in the rain but not for bloomin hours.
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Misa is back and Sasa was with him outside...........phewwwwwwwwwwwww
He was wet but have seen him wetter and he must have been hiding somewhere but blooming where!
I saw Sasa on top of the plastic greenhouse before it started raining and thats the reason the tape came loose cos there was a Sasa size hollow and claw cuts which I taped up last week.........sigh
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Have just read this about your naughty pussies. Oscar went out into the rain and wind for an hour tonight. It doesn't seem to worry him much but I was just starting to get bothered when he appeared through the cat flap. He had a few dreamies and is now asleep on my bed stil damp!
Hopefully he will be there until morning and I shall sleep better because of that His abcess has almost completely disappeared
Goodnight from us both
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So pleased Oscar is nearly healed and has the sense not to stay out too long..............mine are in and the weather has taken a turn for the worse.
Good night and hope you bothe sleep well :hug:
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Im being cruel to miyagi and wont let him out...hes been pawing at the window latches bless him but its so cold wet and windy im scared he may dissapear somewhere, get stuck and freeze :scared:
do you think its cruel to keep him in if he really wants to go out? im not very good at the whole worry thing as if hes out for 30 mins and doesnt answer i go mental :shy:
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If he is fit and used to being out I think I would let him out in daylight The catflap is always open for Oscar and he seems to make up his own mind Try not to worry though I know it ien't easy but shut up the flap at night to be on the safe side Does he use his letter tray? Oscar hates his
You know your cat so advice is hard to give And we all worry
Peggy
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he got used to going out in summer time but now he goes around front of house and a bus comes by every 30mins, its quiet otherwise but i worry about him going further each time. I think i will tidy garden tommorrow and let him out with me so i can watch him and georgia together , shes ok at the moment as think she feels the cold more than him :shy:
we dont have a cat flap (to do list :innocent:) so its a case of he meows to come back in or i run about frantic shouting mr Miyagi like a loony :innocent:
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Must be very hard without a cat flap at this time of year but like Peggy says you know your cat.................ummmmmmmmm we all THINK we know our cats :rofl: :rofl:
The wind is bitter , gusting very strongly and even Sasa thinks its too cold out there ;D ;D
We even had about a minute of snowflakes.
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I cracked and let Miyagi out......hes now gone awol :innocent:
i have been around the block and across the grove armed with ham but no sightings of him so far so looks like im up for the night :Crazy:
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I do hope he comes home soon Difficult to leave the door open at this time of year! But do try not to worry (silly thingt to say) Cats do have a terrific homing instinct
Oscar is out too tonight He was sitting on the front door mat a few minutes ago but wouldn't come in even for dreamies He will have to go round the back and use his cat flap
Good Luck :hug: :hug:
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I didnt want to let him out but he was howling and making weird human type noises going mental so i cracked in the end and left back door open for him to go out and come back in...well that was the plan :innocent:
now hes gone off god knows where...he has friends who come to visit so hes probably with one of them but i wont be able to sleep knowing hes out there. oh lord and now Georgia keeps crying at the door trying to get out too, even Mo has attempted to take a wander and theres no way shes going out till shes well and truly healthy as she wouldnt survive 5 minutes the skinny moo :innocent:
remnid me why we have cats :Crazy:...and why i dont have a cat flap :-[ :shy:
2.22am no where in site despite going round block again, across the road other sides and also down to the farmers fields...georgia is now going mental for him, weird as she normally ignores mo but the pair of them keep sitting at front door. just saw a fox outside front but no black fat furry cat :innocent:
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This is what worries me if I lock Sasa in the house and do hope that Miyagi comes back soon , but of course he has to be able to get in :hug: :hug:
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hey Gill do peeps with cats never sleep :hug:
still no sign, i keep going back and forth to front and back door but he doesnt seem to be anywhere....ive shipped the oh off to bed as i may as well stay up as have to take kids to school in morning and i know that i wouldnt wake up in time...cant sleep anyway as miyagis disapearence is doing my head in :innocent:
4.25 done another walk around block and tour of garden but still not a peep :-:
5.55 had a bath still no sign, hoping for some sun soon so i can take a proper look down the alley :-[
EDIT 8am i took kids to school deciding to walk dragging feet all the way there and back as artheritis playing up, just to look for Miyagi......collapse through door and there he was :censored: :censored: :censored: he had a right guilty look on his face and has now gone to sleep off his moonlit jaunt upstairs :innocent:
he is now on lockdown as not going through that again in a hurry :shy:
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Any sign of Miyagi? :-:
And Gill - what news of Madam Sasa?
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hi sue yes i edited the post beneath yours to say he turned up at 8 am :wow:...now still asleep on my windowsill :innocent:
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Oh, am so pleased. :)
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what a relief ;D ;D
its strange cos sasa hasnt been in this morning to eat and misa who is in hasnt eaten either......sigh
i know i got up very late yesterday but i am two hours plus earlier to day!
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hope Sasa stays in tonight Gill :hug: Miyagi has been told off by the oh and oh swears Miyagi was crying :Crazy: i meanwhile spent day in bed collapsed after my moonlit walks :innocent:
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I hope everyone has a btter night Oscar came in had his supper and is now on the bottom of my bed Hope he stays there until morning Obviously nothing interesting outside even though he has a big garden and a paddock to roam in I know that this is a safe place but I do like to know where he is.
Goodnight from Oscar and Paggy
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afternoon :wow:
miyagi spent last night howling and trying to escape,he has scratched the insolation stuff off bottom of front door in his bid to escape :Crazy:
oh was up with him and he said Miyagi was going bonkers all night, he finally gave up and is now napping for the day :innocent: i feel sorry for miyagi but i cant spend all night worrying about him, he isnt a street wise cat either, hes just a dopey fluff ball and i get worried he will get into fights with more street wise toms or catnapped :-[
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Its so sad isnt it...........Sasa was in the house this afternoon justbtime for a dinner and groom
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So glad you found Sasa in the house. Mayb she just needs time...sounds like she knows she's in a good safe place. :hug:
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Sasa is now confined to barracks and because of that so is Misa and he is not happy about that although Sasa seems to be less worried sice the first 48 hrs.
She has a hiding place in the house, know its in the study but thats all :shify: :shify:
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glad shes setting in now..hows her furr looking? :hug:
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Despite almost constant grooming its as bad as ever, very worrying but then I suppose that being out there in terrible conditions for 3 months may take a time to clear.
I dont know if a bath would help ot not but obviously not something I can do.
She is not bothering with her orange coloured curly tummy fur at all but concentrating on her front paws and back and sides, her back paws are horrible colour.
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she'll get there Gill, if its taken three months to get into that state you should probably allow the same for it to get back - by then it will all be a bad memory :hug:
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Thanks Dawn :hug: