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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Cooper & Peanut on October 14, 2010, 17:41:11 PM
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I am currently feeding Cooper & Peanut on various Whiskas pouches, Felix and have even tried them on Hi Life.
I would really like to know what you wonderful peeps feed your furbabies!
Please leave the brand name and where you get it from (if it's not a common brand). I would really appreciate the feedback so I can make a better judgement regarding what is best for my two babies! ;)
Thanks very much guys and gals! ;D
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I feed Ollie and Tyler Hills Dry Indoor food and alsoButchers Classic tin food to give a mix. Butchers is oange tins or pouches from PAH. Also they get Natures Menu but being using the butchers classic recently as it helps Tylers gums
Zoe x
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My two get a mixture depending on what's on offer, which shop I'm in etc. They normally get Feline Fayre tuna tins, FF pouches (Home Bargains or B&M), Hi-Life Essentials pouches (Wilkinsons), Sainsbury's own brand tins. They'll always have a bowl of cheap kibble down too but that's due to the fact I'm really skint, ideally I'd feed a high-meat dry food. I know that this isn't the best food for them so I wouldn't reccommend it, when we've got a bit more cash I'll feed Bozita all the way as I'm not a big fan of giving cats dry food unless it's exceptionally high in meat. I also feed a raw chicken wing or some fresh fish as a treat every once in a while
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After they all refused to eat Felix anymore they are all on Gourmet Gold or Gormet Solitaire........the pain LOL
They also have purina one fish flavour or Purina Pro fish flavour but hope you dont mind if I also ask for some food info.
I need a fish flavoured biscuit with small kibble for a very sensitive tummy,,,,,,,,,,,one that disolves quickly once swallowed.
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Raw - either ready prepared minces or my own recipe.
Butchers Classic (meat varieties - they don't like the fishy ones much)
Co-op own brand Gourmet foil trays.
Any of the Sheba varieties that don't contain cereals, think its Chicken and Turkey, Salmon, and Rabbit and something :doh:
Whiskas supermeat occasionally.
Used to feed Bozita, but had a few dodgy cartons and they went off it anyway, planning to try the Bozita tins though as they are pretty good meat/no cereals etc.
Planning to try the Toplife Chicken dinners from Asda as well, but apparently they are made by the same manufaturer as the Bozita cartons, so not sure about those.
Dry is just a treat, so usually a handful of Hi Life dry at bedtime. :)
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I've never heard of Bozita - where is that from? :-:
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I think you can only get it online, Zooplus is the best/cheapest supplier of it. It's good quality, high meat, and not that expensive either.
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Wet -Bozita Cartons (zooplus) after reccomendations from purrs
Dry- Pets at home Purely 70% chicken/applaws no cereal
try to feed some fresh/raw food every week
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This is great stuff guys - keep 'em coming...... ;)
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I feed Bozita wet food (breakfast & dinner) with Pets at Home premium dry food down 24/7 to munch on.
I did think the boys had gone off Bozita but turns out they both had some kind of virus that meant they were just off their food in general. On the subject of Bozita, it's high meat content (around 90%) and is really good value. The cartons are around £1 each and are 370g so closest equivalent is 4 pouches, so basically a quarter of a carton is equivalent to one pouch. The boys eat the ones in jelly and are keen on all flavours, the pate ones aren't too popular here though. I used to get mine from Zooplus but their bulk-pack flavours were a bit restrictive and also their packaging isn't great.
I always order around 3 months worth at a time as a) it works out cheaper in bulk and b) I don't have to wait in for deliveries. The last time I ordered from R L pet products and was really impressed, their standard price is £1 a carton but if you order in bulk over the phone it was 89p or something like that with free delivery= so quite a good discount. It came really quickly and was well packed too. http://www.rlpetproducts.co.uk/store/cats/food
The PAH dry is the one in the silver packaging and has a decent meat content, it's very similar in ingredients to James Wellbeloved but is much cheaper and the bonus is that it is often on BOGOF or other offers so I always stock up when it's on offer.
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Thanks Helen, that's great!! I shall check out the link ;D
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my Trigger thinks the premium dry food called A Taste of the Wild is better than Dreamies
it's made in the US and stocked by Zooplus
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Novelty answer for Luna is that she likes tomato ketchup and bread, and pasta sauce ..and anything human I cant hide from her :tired:
Dry foods are Hills Kitten dry food which i'm going to slowly start cutting down on now she's 10 months old. Hills adult food is what i'm mixing in with the kitten, I got a very good offer of £10 off a bag when i got my cats vaccinated. As i'm currently having to be better with money i've bought a small 2kg bag of the Pets at home food and when the Hills is all finished i'll try them on that as the ingredients seem to be very good. Have seen Helen recommend it too :)
Mia and Nova went off Bozita a while back, and so for now their wet food treats are Sheba sachets and Whiskas oh so fishy, with the occasional Hi-life tin :)
Luna has to be fed her wet food shut away from Mia and Nova as she'll wolf hers down then push them away from their own bowls growling at them for venturing near! She's so big now! And such a bully :shy:
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I would really like to know what you wonderful peeps feed your furbabies!
Whatever's on offer at Tesco this week!
Usually they have Felix or Whiskers pouches twice a day, and there's always a bowl of Go Cat biscuits available.
Whilst we're on the subject of food, is there much difference between normal adult food and "senior"?
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At the moment they are on Feline Fayre wet, all varieties and Royal Canin dry as I got it on special from PAH a couple of months ago.
I usually feed the PAH premium dry others have mentioned as it's great value for the quality and even better when it's on BOGOF!
Other wet foods: Bozita cartons but the newest arrival doesn't like it so will try the tins net time I order, I usually get from Zooplus but the packaging is dreadful. Also fed Animonda Carny in the past, also from Zooplus. Nature's Menu, Hi Life. Whiskas goes down like a lead balloon and gives Little Miss a dicky tummy, it's months and months since I fed any Felix, occasionally they get the Sheba foil trays as Little Miss loves them.
My budget is extremely tight but I make sacrifices so they can get good quality food. I fed them Go-Cat in an emergency for about a week a couple of months ago and was wracked with guilt every time I put it out, spoiled much!? :evillaugh:
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My boys have Felix as good as it looks meat and fish pouches (Jess won't eat anything but Felix)
Dry food, they have Royal Canin sterilised biscuits.
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Quite a wide selection for my boys - they like their variety!
Currently in the cupboards we have:
Animonda Carny (zooplus)
Schmusy (zooplus)
Bozita (zooplus)
Almo Nature (zooplus)
Encore (Sainsburys)
Feline Fayre
Hi Life Essentials (Asda 4 for £1)
Hi Life pouches
Hi Life senior pouches
Pets at Home Purely (Adult & Senior)
Felix jelly and AGAIL senior
Whiskas Oh so fishy senior
Miamor (zooplus)
I have loads of pouches and small tins in the little cupboard but I can't remember what they are - various from zooplus
Mosi's dry is Sainsbury's Encore at the moment.
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Dry - mine love Purina One, avalible at supermarkets 3kg bag roughtly £15
Wet - sorry (I'll get moaned at) but my lot have Whiskas pouches or something simular
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I'll have to add Soreen malt loaf as something Luna eats :tired: There went my lunch
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I only feed high meat/ cereal free foods - I believe that is healthiest and it certainly makes for smaller quantities of unscented poop! :wow: As I came to Purrs forum from Money Saving Expert I looked at the meat content and price per kilo of a number of commercial foods; arguably home made raw is cheapest for the quality. I decided not to buy from Mars, Nestle, Proctor & Gamble, Colgate-Palmolive which rules out most familiar brands of pet food, and I try not to get pouches as they cannot be recycled. Of course I am lucky that Noah is greedy so will eat most animal products, tho he certainly has his favourites: raw, prawns (treat) and Bozita all elicit purrs.
Noah has whichever commercial food is on offer
Bozita pate (K9 Capers, 10% off first order)
Pets at Home Purely 156g tins (when five for £2)
Feline Fayre 400g tins (B&M or Home Bargains)
Orijen kibble (Pet Planet) and Fish4cats kibble (VetUK), both purchased to make up an order of cat litter to get free postage!
And on raw days, most £1.40 per kilo :wow:
Raw chicken portions (Tesco Value frozen)
Pork liver, pork kidney, ox heart (Morrisons)
Free range egg (only when short dated or cheap!)
There is little preparation in raw feeding part time, but obviously you really need a freezer - Noah has his own drawer. :evillaugh:
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Mine usually get a decent quality dry, such as Hill's (I would prefer Arden Grange or similar but they aren't interested) and regular wet. Until recently, it was mainly Felix, but they seem to have gone off it. Clapton was the main one that had it. I am just running down stocks now - Alice & Kylie just have a tin of beef in gravy gourmet gold between them most days. Also fresh fish. Kylie has coley, but Alice loves Salmon. I have realised the tinned upsets her tum, so am trying out steaks. There is a salmon steak in the oven as I type - a firl with expensive tastes :evillaugh:
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I must admit, I'm quite surprised by how many of you give your babes stuff like Whiskas/Felix........I thought I was gonna get nothing but posh expensive food lists!! :evillaugh:
Mine are on Whiskas Simply (both fish and meat) and they seem to really like it but I do feel guilty cuz I have been lead to believe that its :censored:
We do offer them cooked chicken and fish, especially when we eat it.....so hopefully I'm not being a bad parent! :scared:
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To be honest, Whiskas and Felix etc are :censored: but feeding them doesn't make you a bad meowmy. There are many reasons why people feed it, money reasons, convenience of being able to get it in the supermarket or simply that it's all that their furbabies like. I think the main bad thing about Whiskas is that it's just as crap as the cheap food, but they try to trick you into thinking it's better and charge you a lot more for it. I don't think there's really any right or wrong answers and you just have to feed the best that you can afford, at least you're trying to do a bit of research and looking at options instead of just feeding Go Cat all the time :evillaugh:
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What's so bad about Whiskas and Felix? Or Go-Cat? Our cats love them! It's not just price and convenience, I do think that some of these expensive "special diet" foods are a bit of a rip off.
I've offered ours fresh fish but they weren't interested. They even turned up their noses at mackeral in tomato sauce and tinned tuna - I've never known a cat refuse them before.
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for me, i dont feed whiskers/felix because of the high sugar content, my vet always comments on how good the kits teeth are and i dont do anything special. i read (wish i could find it again to post) that cats become bacically addicted to the sugar and then wont eat other, more natural food, as it then tastes bland. my own opinion is that supermarket own are better quality (marginally) so why pay more for a brand name? i do think the recent fad for cat food that claims to be better as its got added carrots or suchlike is a rip off.
i fed supermarket own brands untill a few months ago as i had assumed ordering from the internet would mean i had to order a few months in a go and cashflow wouldnt have allowed it. but actually its not been the case so far for me.
dry, once mine tried applaws no cereal theyve refused everything but that and the PAH purely. i wont complain about that, its not expensive (and better if brought on offer) and within my understanding seems to be good quality. i dont understand the indoor/neutered cat/long haired/big boned specialist drys you can get now.
it all comes down to personal opinion though, its so much harder to find decent understandable relevant information on the ingredients, sources, link between specific ingredients and health. there are anecdotal links between high protein/low cereal and more stable tums/less fragrant bottoms :evillaugh:.
im going with the closer to natural the better within what i can reasonably afford but if they wont eat it you have to feed them what theyll eat and plenty of cats have lived long fulfilled lifes on diets of go cat/whiskers/felix.
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What's so bad about Whiskas and Felix? Or Go-Cat?
I don't think Whiskas & Felix are too bad (especially Whiskas supermeat as it has no sugars or cereal) but go-cat is probably the poorest quality food there is - it is so high in cereals - and therefore carbs, which cats aren't designed to eat. Whiskas dry and supermarket own cheapo is the same. When I got Kylie, I had no clue. At the time, go-cat used to supply CP with food. I was given a box and asked to please not buy it and the only reason they were fed in in care is because it was free.
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For me, meat content is one of the big factors, cats are obligate carnivores and would never eat cereals in nature. I think the best analogy I've ever heard is that food like GoCat is just like meat flavoured cornflakes. Plus there are associated health problems with feeding a bad-quality purely dry diet. Cats do like the taste and will eat it happily but it's so full of sugar and flavourings that it's almost like us eating processed junk food - it's bad for us but we like the taste. Like I said, I think plain old Whiskas is a rip-off because when you watch the adverts, they make it seem as though it's mostly real fish or meat when in reality it's something like 4% meat, which is the same as you get in supermarket own brand food. The ingredients are the same, but you're paying a lot more for the brand name and the tv advertisements etc. A high meat, quality food doesn't have to cost more, I buy four tins of Feline Fayre tuna (70% meat) for 99p, pouches of FF fish for 19p each, Hi-Life Essentials is on offer in Wilkinsons at 4 pouches for £1 (60% meat I think), Bozita works out at about the same price per 100 grams as Whiskas pouches do, and the cats both love it.
Raw feeding is the best diet a cat could have but not all will entertain it, I know that Pepsi looked at me like I was a crazy woman the first time I put a raw chicken wing down in front of her, but now she loves them and purrs away as she crunches them up. I can buy a carrier bag full of 'pet mince' at the local butchers for 60p, it's pure meat and mega cheap and a lot better for a cat than processed foods can be.
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Worth bearing in mind that not all "posh" or high meat foods are expensive. Case in point - hi life essentials which sell for about 35p each in most supermarkets but Asda sell them 4 for £1 which makes them very comparable to cheap pouches but with better meat content. Tesco do a foil tray (forget the name) that is 22p and has a good meat content. I bought a box of feline fayre fishy pouches for £1.09 recently at one of the cheap discount shops.
I consider Jaffa's whiskas and felix to be his junk food allowance :rofl: He always had felix when he was younger and he likes it and will eat the senior version. It won't kill him and he eats the other stuff too so that's why he has it. I believe variety is the spice of life and you have the best chance of getting a good balance of nutrients if you feed various foods. Of course, if all your cat will eat is Go cat and whiskas there's not a lot you can do! I am lucky in that I have a pair of gannets that eat just about everything that is put in front of them. Sometimes they go off something but if I leave it for a few weeks they usually decide they like it again. I think quality is most important where dry food is concerned as it is, by it's nature, an unnatural food for a cat and some have are virtually pure cereal. For dry I buy Orijen, Applaws or Encore. Occasionally hi life and there have been times when I've been skint and picked up a packet of pro one in the supermarket.
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You've all given me soooooo much to think about. I shall be spending the next few weeks trawling the supermarkets, pet shops and online shops for a suitable food for my pair of tinkers! :Crazy:
Thank you all very much :thanks: ;)
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What's so bad about Whiskas and Felix? Or Go-Cat? Our cats love them! It's not just price and convenience, I do think that some of these expensive "special diet" foods are a bit of a rip off.
I've offered ours fresh fish but they weren't interested. They even turned up their noses at mackeral in tomato sauce and tinned tuna - I've never known a cat refuse them before.
I'm probably going to echo what a lot of the others have said. For me price absolutely is a consideration, I aim to feed Noah (large male) well on 50p per day. Noah's frozen chicken portions, raw kidney and liver are all £1.40 per kilo which is cheaper that most commercial foods. He has 200g raw per day, costing approximately 30p. Bozita pate (90% meat) was about 90p per carton when I last bought in bulk, he has 2/3 of a carton a day so 60p. Feline Fayre large tins (70% meat) were 30p and he'd usually have 1/3 of a tin alongside another complete food so 10p for one large meal.
As well as absolute price I want value for money - I refuse to pay brand prices for a dried product that is only 4% meat. Go Cat is no better quality than the supermarket Value/ Basics range in that respect. I totally agree with you that some of the expensive brands are a rip off, especially wet foods that are not even complete. Having said all that I don't think Whiskas wet and Felix wet are bad per se, as they are low in cereals and high in derivatives, which at least sourced from an animal. I just don't think they represent good value for money.
Switching Noah from Felix wet plus James Wellbeloved dry meant he stopped doing three :sick: poops a day reducing to one to two. Less poop means I spend less on cat litter, but it also means less wasted £££ on cat food that literally gets flushed down the toilet! :evillaugh:
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We went to Morrisons today and I got some Feline Fayre pouches and some Hi Life pouches, which were all 60% meat/fish. They were about 44p per pouch. They didn't have tinned versions or boxes of pouches.
Where are you getting them from for less than that????
I've just given them some of the Hi Life and it seemed to go down fairly well..... :shify:
I shall have to see what happens :sneaky:
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I get my Feline Fayre from Asda or B&M. B&M tend to have a smaller range but can be cheaper, Asda has a wider range and often has specials. With Feline Fayre, the blue packaged foods are not complete and therefore a bit cheaper, the black packaging is complete and this is reflected in the slightly higher price.
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B&M???? :-:
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http://www.bmstores.co.uk/
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Oh fab, according to the store finder, there's one just up the road from me and I never realised what it was! :evillaugh:
I shall check it out - fanks very much! ;)
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Just be careful when you are feeding FEline Fayre and HiLife as not all of it is complete, it is fine as long as you are feeding something else that day, but it shouldnt be the basis of their diet. The same goes for pet mince, it isn't a complete food, so cant' be fed on its own.
i personally can't feed my cats what I would like to feed them, which would be purely high meat content foods, as Molly's tum cant' tolerate it anymore, Zi is just plain picky with wet and I have to be careful what Buster eats, he can't tolerate high meat content dry, not risked him on wet. Mine are all currently getting Classic for wet (with some renal for Zi when she will eat it), Zi has renal dry (as she prefers dry to wet), Molly and Buster dont get any dry unless they pinch it, but both get chicken every day instead.
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We went to Morrisons today and I got some Feline Fayre pouches and some Hi Life pouches, which were all 60% meat/fish. They were about 44p per pouch. They didn't have tinned versions or boxes of pouches.
Where are you getting them from for less than that????
I've just given them some of the Hi Life and it seemed to go down fairly well..... :shify:
I shall have to see what happens :sneaky:
Feline Fayre multipacks (8 fishy pouches) are frequently on offer for £1+ in B&M and Home Bargains: the 400g tins are sometimes 29p in the same stores. :wow: All variants come on offer at Asda every so often - usually 25p for a single pouch, 50p for a 400g tin or £1 for a multipack. According to Feline Fayre themselves, NISA and Savers are also stockists of the large tins but I can't tell you the prices.
I only buy the blue packs (complementary) which I feed alongside Bozita or Orijen (both complete). I don't buy the black packs of FF as Bozita is cheaper for a comparable meat content and my furry dustbin is happy to sample whatever I serve! :rofl: I wish I knew exactly what was missing from the blue packs that they are not complete, because according to FF website:
"In addition, our recipes have been enriched with taurine to help maintain & support proper visual & cardiac function. Our products do not contain any artificial colours, flavours or preservatives."
HiLife is intermittently found in Wilkinsons, B&M or Home Bargains for 29p or 39p per pouch: Mark may be able to tell you where stocks HiLife tins. IMO Morrisons can't be beaten for quality fresh meat and fish (including cheap offal :sick: ) but prices are high for brand name stuff including pet food.
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Gill, have you tried James Wellbeloved Fish Flavour - you can normally buy it in small 225g bags, or they will send you samples. I can't remember how small the fish biscuits are.
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Well....Cooper and Peanut are flatly refusing to eat both Hi Life 60% meat/fish and the Feline Fayre >:(
However when I put bloomin Whiskas down, they gobble it up like no tomorrow!! :tired: Cooper has even started eating the dry biscuits that I put down (which I cant wait to get rid of, cuz it contains cereals). I really wish I hadn't let the RSPCA pressure me into buying the stuff....surely they should know its not good for cats! :shify:
The saga continues........
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When Little Miss first moved in she flatly refused to eat any dry food and for budgetry reasons I really wanted to try and get her enjoying them. My tactic was to mix a few with the wet, gradually increasing the ratio and now she will happily eat a meal of dry only.
You could try a similar tactic with the wet, perhaps mixing a bit of the good stuff with the rubbish stuff and gradually alter the ratios. It could just be that their palette isn't used tot he higher quality. Again, Little Miss has taken a little convincing on some of the better quality stuff, at first she would only eat Sheba!
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I actually tried mixing it with the Whiskas but they still wouldn't touch it >:( maybe I should try again but change the ratio
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Don't beat yourself up for buying the dry that the RSPCA recommended, it could have been a far more stressful introduction if they'd refused to eat or had diarrhoea due to the change of diet and location. :hug: You've all the time in the world to work on improving their diet, it's long term poor nutrition that has a negative effect on health. There are worse diets than Whiskas wet - it contains animal protein, taurine, vitamins and minerals.
If you think Cooper and Peanut are going to be fussy about switching dry, maybe e-mail various companies for samples; some are very generous and very quick to post out. I mixed several samples into our first bag of Orijen to use them up without giving Noah carb overload! ;)
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Pets at Home Purely in the 156g tins are back on the five for £2 offer :wow: were retailing last week for 47p last week. These are complete unlike the blue Feline Fayre which is the closest brand as both contains large chucks of pure fish.
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thanks fire fox ;)
Well I think the decision has been made for me. As much as they seem to adore Whiskas, its causing one of them to produce very sloppy plop :sick:
I really find this stressful cuz I want them to eat well and enjoy their food but when I try them on better quality stuff, they walk away - hungry! :-:
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I think that a variatin of foods is good. If they enjoy Whiskas I'd just give it occasionally. Pepper can't eat Feline Fayre it seems to make him sick. I've always found Classic good for funny tums.
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Who makes Classic Janey? Where's it from?
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Who makes Classic Janey? Where's it from?
Butchers and most supermarkets sell it and pet shops :)
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thanks fire fox ;)
Well I think the decision has been made for me. As much as they seem to adore Whiskas, its causing one of them to produce very sloppy plop :sick:
I really find this stressful cuz I want them to eat well and enjoy their food but when I try them on better quality stuff, they walk away - hungry! :-:
:hug: I forget how lucky I am that Noah will eat almost anything animal-related! Are you sure it is the Whiskas that is causing the problems in the litter tray - you said one is still eating the dry? For Noah it is definitely cereals and too much fish (especially tuna :sick: ). Meat-based cat food produces acceptable poop and raw produces small smell-free offerings! :wow: Has this been going on since before you adopted them? If so probiotics - e.g. LactoB - may be beneficial.
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I have no idea what their toilet habits were before we had them. The RSPCA were quite vague... They were being fed the dry (which I put down) but the young girl who was looking after them said they weren't keen on it but she occasionally fed them meat and they preferred that..
I noticed Cooper was eating the Omega biscuits when there was nothing else on offer (or more to the point, when I had down the feline fayre or Hi Life :evillaugh:) He's slowed down on the dry since going back on Whiskas.
I think its going to be a very slow painful process of elimination isn't it?! :tired: I need to try and catch them both in the act of pooing and if it's Cooper that's producing the slop, then it might suggest its the cereals in the dry that's causing it, as Peanut never touches them. It could be the treats! I will admit that we can get carried away with offering them Temptations/Dentabits/Dreamies etc.. so it could be that!
Oh my days.....I need a flipping degree to get my head around all this nutrition lark! Apologies for everyone having to read my drivel - it must be soooooooooo boring to keep reading the same problems :scared:
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If people don't want to talk about cat poo I am sure they will read another thread! :rofl: The reason I ask about previous toilet habits is that long term diarrhoea could have reduced the population of beneficial bacteria, plus carbs feed the bad guys.
Rather than trying to work out who is eating what and who is pooping what, I'd be inclined to eliminate the Purina Omega for a few days. Leave them on the Whiskas: if you have non-fishy Whiskas so much the better. It could be the treats, but they are usually high in cereals so just removing those won't help your detective work: I presume Peanut is not getting as many treats as Cooper is getting dry food, so she still might have problems with cereals.
The issue is more likely to be difficulty digesting than a full on allergy, so small amounts of carbs won't necessarily result in :sick: in the tray. If the Purina Omega is the culprit then you might use it up as treats or by diluting with a larger amount of a high meat content dry food. Elimination diets are what is used in human medicine, at present you way too many different ingredients going into them to be confident of isolating the cause. :hug:
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It's not full on runs, but too loose for my liking :shify:
Peanut is skinny (last weigh in was 2.7kg) and so we have been a bit naughty and given her more treats than Cooper in a hope to fatten her up a bit! She is very funny at meal times. If Coops likes what he's given, he'll happily eat his and then move on to hers! If I move hers out the way, she then won't eat at all!
I currently have the meat varieties of Whiskas (but also keep the odd sachet of Feline Fayre or Hi Life which have been in both fish and meat)
I'll remove the omega then, and see what happens... Really appreciate the advice Fire Fox! ;)
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My indoor cat has:
1) Breakfast: Applaws Chicken & Ostrich Sachet from local pet shop
2) Second Breakfast (she's like a hobbit): Teaspoon of Dried Royal Cannin for Young Felines from my vet
3) Lunch - Whiskas Fish Stick with Omega 3 cut up into bits and thrown so she can chase - she loves this game and will sometimes bring me the packet for me to open! - pet shop
4) Dinner - about 75 grams raw chicken breast cut up into big cubes. (M&S or Waitrose)
My Outdoor cat has:
1) Breakfast: Sachet of Hi Life Poultry Collection or Bozita (Rabbit or Turkey) with few cubes of cooked chicken, turkey or ham mixed in. (Cat food from Pet Store and cooked chicken from M&S or Waitrose)
2) If he's around during the day a few Dried Royal Cannin or fish stick as a treat.
3) Dinner: Same as breakfast but with bigger proportion of cooked chicken or turkey.
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:crossed: Let us know how it goes!
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:crossed: Let us know how it goes!
Will do! :thanks:
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Okay....so I took away the omega and I haven't noticed any sloppy stools in the last couple of days... :shify:
I went to PAH today and bought some Applaws 80% chicken dry and some PAH adult complete pouches for them to try.
Well, they absolutely LOVE the applaws dry! ;D Peanut especially....which really pleases me cuz it takes a lot to get her excited about food :tired:
I will try the pouches tonight...
I'm like a kid in a toy shop when it comes to choosing and buying food for them :evillaugh:
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Did you know you can get Applaws, both wet & dry in Sainsbury's under a different name? - it is called Encore and is cheaper ;D
http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsburys-price-comparison/Cat_Food/Encore_Chicken_Dry_Complete_800g.html
I looked on PAH site but they don't show the dry.
I tried it once but stopped as I thought the phosphorus content was too high for senior cats - probably due to the high meat content :shify:
Not to scare, but I'm sure some on here remember last year where someone blamed it for making their cat/s ill. I remember it was going to court and they had to take the accusations offline. I don't remember hearing any more though.
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ummmmmm......I'm now nervous of using it. Possum died of renal failure so the last thing I want to do is put a death sentence on my current puds.... :scared:
Thanks for the tip off re the cheaper version - was unaware of that ;) Maybe I will only offer it in small quantities then....until I can find something else they like that is better for them..
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I just double checked Encore and it is 1.6% - the highest I have ever seen. To give you an idea, most adult foods are around 1 - 1.2%, senior foods 0.6 - 0.7% and renal around 0.3% - as you say, if cats are given other foods, it is probably fine.
ANyway, I just found this really good reference to check analysis of lots of different foods ;D http://www.petforums.co.uk/cat-health-nutrition/116753-z-dry-food-cats.html
Obviously Applaws is the same.
It also says this "General info: A great grain-free, high meat content food that is holding its own with grainy dry foods price-wise. However, it is currently plagued by controversy and law suits re its ingredients."
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What do they say about "speaking too soon"?!
Cooper has just done a diarrhea type poop :sick:
......sigh :tired:
Excuse my ignorance, but do you treat cats like you would a human and not feed them for so many hours, if they have extremely runny poop??? :shy:
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Personally, I wouldn't withhold food due to one runny poo. If it continued, I would feed bland food for 24hrs. Any new food that is suddenly introduced can upset them - especially something so rich.
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Have you introduced two new foods simultaneously or am I reading that wrong? I would stick with the Whiskas only until you have firm poops again, then just introduce a tiny amount of one new food and increase slowly. To digest food mammals use a combination of stomach acid and enzymes, the acid is unlikely be an issue - cats have a more acidic stomach than ours. There are different enzymes needed to digest protein, fats and carbohydrates and these take time to manufacture. A full elimination diet is one food at a time, that doesn't mean a product with ingredients, it can mean just one thing for days on end (eg. potatoes!). :shocked:
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Okay, will do. I gave them literally only a few of the applaws to try and they woofed 'em down.
I tried the P@H pouch this morning and neither of them even went near it.
You're right, I defo need to stick to Whiskas until I know that both poops are solid :shy: I know they like it so at least they are not gonna be walking around in starvation mode :evillaugh:
The omega is still not being offered, and I won't offer them anymore applaws either, see what happens :scared:
It's all a bit trial and error with me I'm afraid! :-:
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When I see you you can have some JWB and RC food to try them on later.
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Trigger loves the souffle with egg Gourmet food, and always does a runny poo after eating it - but it's just the one - so I restrict him to one of the tins a week
I don't see one runny poo, or one being sick, as anything to worry about if there is no repeat performance - it's just the body's natural way of eliminating something it didn't much care for
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If they have only had a very few Applaws biscuits by the time the :sick: happened, it's less likely new food caused the problem. As I said earlier he may have an imbalance in the gut flora, so it might be worth a short course of probiotics (LactoB etc.) along with Whiskas and then introduce new foods? It took a few attempts with Noah on various combinations before I was confident what was setting him off. You could try JWB and RC at some point, but both contain a high percentage of grains - I'd confirm it isn't the same ones that are in the Omega.
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Poops have returned to normal ;D
Peanut has gained weight and is now 3kg! :wooooo:
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Two of mine have been known to have sensitive tums but I've recently been feeding them on the Whiskers poultry in jelly selection box and it's resulted in lovely firm poos! :evillaugh: :sick: :evillaugh:
Before this they were on Felix as Good as It Looks with mixed results. Although good quality I think that the beef and salmon falvours which come in the boxes are a bit strong for sensitive tums.
They also have a little good quality dry - Royal Canin or sometimes James Wellbeloved.
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Well.....I've now got my puds eating Purina One dry. They absolutely love it! Thing is, they now aren't fussed about eating the Whiskas, which is a good thing because its crap food but I still want them to eat something wet along with the dry. They are both drinking well, so that's something I suppose.
I'm gonna try them on raw along side the dry....but feed them from my hand rather than dumping lumps in their bowl, cuz when I've done that before, they weren't interested but they have taken bits from my hand.
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When feeding raw and dry you need to feed them at different times of the day ... never at the same time. Raw and dry take different times to digest and the kibble interferes with the digestion of the raw.
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When feeding raw and dry you need to feed them at different times of the day ... never at the same time. Raw and dry take different times to digest and the kibble interferes with the digestion of the raw.
Okey dokey! Thanks for the advice! Will remember that ;)
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When feeding raw and dry you need to feed them at different times of the day ... never at the same time. Raw and dry take different times to digest and the kibble interferes with the digestion of the raw.
I keep reading that, but there is never any evidence provided. I am overly suspicious as the whole food combining concept in humans has been debunked. :shy: A macronutrient is a macronutrient, mammaliam anatomy doesn't distinguish between raw and cooked amino acids AFAIK. Do you know what the scientific basis of that is, Den?
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It is something to do with the change in stomach acidity when feeding kibble and raw. Someone did explain it to me years ago.
It is also due to raw digesting at a faster rate than kibble. Feeding raw with kibble slows the digestion of raw down, increasing the length of time it is in the digestive system thus increasing the chances of bacteria multiplying and causing a problem.