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Title: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 05, 2010, 19:15:38 PM
Friday night I caught Riley munching on a pastic tag, I can only presume that he had eaten a long strip of plastic as it was nowhere to be seen and he was caught red-handed munching on the tag. He seemed completely normal bouncing around, cuddling, eating, drinking, pooing etc I rang the vets and they said if it hadn't passed by Monday to take him in, rang on Monday and they said as he was fine in himself to leave it til Wednesday.

Anyway, this morning he had diarrhoea so I booked an appointment for tomorrow. Lucas has been absolutely fine throughout the last few days although there was a tiny sneaking suspicion that he might have munched on the plastic and Riley was just finishing his leftovers.


Fast forward to this afternoon and poor Lu was sick on my bedroom carpet, I cleaned it up and a few minutes later he came back into my bedroom and did the biggest wee I have ever seen right in front of me on the carpet  :hairrasin: He then ran away with diarrhoea tumbling out of him so it was all over my bedroom, the landing, the stairs. I locked him in the front room while I rang the vets and he did more puddles of diarrhoea in the living room  :tired:


Took them both to the vets and the vet said Lu had a temperature so he has had antibiotics and an enti-emetic to stop him feelling sick. Riley's temp was fine but as there was a tiny bit of blood in his diarrhoea he has had an anti-inflammatory and anti-biotic jab. The vet wasn't sure if the plastic was a red herring as I showed him an identical thing to the one that was eaten and he said it was very felxible and unlikely to cause a problem.  I have to collect poo samples over the next few days in case they don't improve, ordinarily I would have been horrified by the thought of that but as I have been dissecting poos for signs of yellow plastic over the last 4 days that's nothing to a hardened poo dissector  :evillaugh:

Please send positive vibes for both my boys to get better, I hate seeing them poorly and my carpet is taking a bashing too!
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Dawn F on October 05, 2010, 19:17:16 PM
oh helen poor you (and them) in all seriousness vanish is quite good  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: snarf on October 05, 2010, 19:22:24 PM
O my!
poor lads :hug:
lots of good vibes for the boys (and the carpet)
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: cazzer on October 05, 2010, 19:32:48 PM
oh dear not nice for any for you.     Hope they feel better soon
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: clarenmax on October 05, 2010, 19:38:16 PM
Ah hun, that's not nice for you or the boys  :hug:

Hope all poorly tums are much better soon, and that you get your carpet looking and smelling all good again  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Guest on October 05, 2010, 19:38:36 PM
I wish my son-in-laws the very best xx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 05, 2010, 19:44:35 PM
:( Poor boys, I hope they're much better soon  :hug:

wonder if it's what Riley had before that's not cleared up proper?










Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 05, 2010, 20:18:01 PM
Awwww poor boys, hope they feel better soon xxxx

And Helen ...... :sick: :rofl:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Liz on October 05, 2010, 20:28:10 PM
Helen we are sending lots of hugs and purrs and our Riley sends hisses to your boys and hope they are well soon :hug:

Good luck with the carpet to :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 05, 2010, 20:29:02 PM
Poor babies ... get well soon xxxx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 05, 2010, 20:32:51 PM
 :thanks: everyone, they're both bright in themselves and are more annoyed than anything else at being locked out of the bedrooms for damage limitation purposes!  :evillaugh: I've just cooked them some chicken breast for dinner so hopefully they'll eat OK as that was the main problem last time they were poorly.

:( Poor boys, I hope they're much better soon  :hug:

wonder if it's what Riley had before that's not cleared up proper?

 :thanks:

That's what I'm leaning towards now as well, especially as Lu had a temperature. I bet the insurance compnay won't think of it like that though and if I do have to claim for this lot of visits and future tests I bet they'll say it's two separate conditions  :innocent:

I wish my son-in-laws the very best xx

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Zenith (Liz) on October 05, 2010, 20:40:06 PM
Oh no!  Hope they get better soon

I use the foamy carpet sprays to get rid of pet stains here, Vanish or carpet 1001 stuff
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: sheryl on October 05, 2010, 21:12:10 PM
Lots of love, huggles and get well vibes for the boys xxx

 :hug: for you Helen x
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 05, 2010, 21:24:42 PM
sending lots of good wishes for the boys  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 05, 2010, 21:27:03 PM
Crikey! what a worry! nightmare when you've got 2 ill, hope they get better soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tan on October 05, 2010, 21:58:36 PM
 :scared: Hope the lads will feel better very soon hun  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Did they eat the chicken?
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Fire Fox on October 05, 2010, 22:51:18 PM
Oh dear, I imagine all three of you are stressed out.  :'( If the vet wants poop samples I am assuming they will be able to narrow down the cause of the diarrhoea, should be ammo for the insurers? Do you have any LactoB or similar in stock?
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Cooper & Peanut on October 05, 2010, 23:01:13 PM
Big head nudges and snuggles to poor Lukey and Riley off my Cooper & Peanut.. Hope they feel better soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on October 05, 2010, 23:43:04 PM
Oh Helen, poor you and the boys. Selfishly I feel slightly better about the wee puddles Marble has left me...she is also in the spare bedroom and is going to the vets on Thursday.

I hope both their tummies settle down now and it was just a little upset. Also hope your carpet is ok...I feel your pain...hugs xx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on October 06, 2010, 02:17:19 AM
Sending both boys a huge cuddle from Lexy and I.  :hug: Speedy recovery to them both.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Mark on October 06, 2010, 07:16:22 AM
Hope they are feeling better today and it is just a tummy bug  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Shirley on October 06, 2010, 08:27:09 AM
Awww poor sweethearts-hope they'll soon be feeling better  :Luv2: :Luv2:  and  :hug: to you Helen
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 06, 2010, 08:35:43 AM
How are the Boys this morning ? xxx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 06, 2010, 08:40:54 AM
 :thanks: everyone  :hug:

They're both quite bright this morning, they've both eaten some chicken and no runny deposits in the tray (or elsewhere!) but I think that's cos they cleaned themselves all out of poo yesterday  :evillaugh:

I'm on nights so off to bed in a minute so fingers crossed I don't wake up to the scene of devastation that I was met with yesterday  :sick:

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 06, 2010, 08:42:38 AM
So glad to hear your boys seem better, fingers crossed it continues  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: tab on October 06, 2010, 09:52:29 AM
I hope they're both feeling loads better today.
Im another that swears by vanish carpet foam.....brilliant on cat stains
love
Tab
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Lotzy on October 06, 2010, 09:56:01 AM
Fingers crossed the jabs and chicken will help and you won't wake up to any problems.  If it appears they are going to take a couple of days to settle down, it might be worth having a couple of litter trays around the house in the hope that they can make it there in time!
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: ginge66 on October 06, 2010, 10:51:22 AM
Poor boys and poor you all that disecting of poo  :sick:. I do hope though they are on the mend and feeling better soon :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Mojo on October 06, 2010, 12:14:21 PM
That 'Scene of devastation' sounds soooo familiar to when I was having problems with Mango if you may remember. Hope Lukey and Riley feel better soon  :Luv:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: BazandGem on October 06, 2010, 14:10:15 PM
Oh no poor boys!  :hug: It was bad enough with Rossi's sick last week, thankfully he didn't get diarrhoea as well  :sick:

Hope they are both feeling better very soon. I wonder if cats are prone to seasonal bugs the same way as humans are? Lu and Riley's illness sounds very similar to Rossi's.

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Rosella moggy on October 06, 2010, 14:19:13 PM
Sending get well soon vibes to the lovely boys esp Lucas  :hug: :hug:

I am just about to start a thorough deep clean of back bedroom where Groucho decided to go skiing ALL around the wooden floor last night after a bout of diarrhoea (caused I'm sure from OH feeding him the wrong dry food yesterday am)  I therefore know how you're feeling about the clean up.  Suppose wooden floor easier to clean but I couldn't sleep all night worrying that Groucho might have got splinters in his nether regions as he howled twice  :(  Seems 100% today and hope you can say likewise about the boys toot sweet Helen  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Kirst on October 06, 2010, 14:39:32 PM
Hope the gorgeous duo are feeling better today xxxxx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on October 06, 2010, 16:36:50 PM
Posted on your other thread about the plastic Helen then spotted this one. Sending lots of love to those two lovely boys and hope they feel much better very soon and it's just a bug. Hope you get your carpet sorted too  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 06, 2010, 17:56:56 PM
 :thanks: everyone  :hug:

Thankfully I haven't woken up to any more devastation, they were locked in the living room overnight with the trays and was going to do the same for today but I had visions of Riley ripping the carpet up at the door if he knew I was upstairs and he wasn't allowed to sleep on his Mum's bed so relented and just shut off the spare room. No poos, runny or otherwise to report  :shify:

Fingers crossed the jabs and chicken will help and you won't wake up to any problems.  If it appears they are going to take a couple of days to settle down, it might be worth having a couple of litter trays around the house in the hope that they can make it there in time!

Great minds think alike, the spare room where the trays normally are is on lockdown and have moved one tray to the living room and one to the landing for maximum spread. They're both such good boys with the trays so it must have been horrible for poor Lu to have had to 'let it all out' where he stood and then have it trailing out of him as he ran away  :( 
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: fluffybunny on October 06, 2010, 19:55:27 PM
Awww poor kitties  :'( Glad the initial devastation seems to be over and I hope they are both well on the road to recovery, whatever the cause xx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 07, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
Glad to hear that things are still ok, fingers crossed that's it gone now xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Rosella moggy on October 07, 2010, 15:34:20 PM
How are they Helen?  Esp Lucas who seems to have had it worse?  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 07, 2010, 17:09:49 PM
Both boys are bright and happy - eating, drinking, weeing but.... no poos from either of them coming up to 48 hours now :shify:

I guess the diarrhoea had cleaned them out, they've only eaten chicken breast since they came back from the vets so maybe super quality protein takes longer to pass through?!
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: sheryl on October 07, 2010, 20:02:31 PM
I am so glad that the boys seem to be on the mend x
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Guest on October 07, 2010, 20:19:37 PM
Glad they are better!

The girls have been soooo worried!
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Yvonne on October 07, 2010, 22:34:09 PM
Just spotted this - hope you and the boys are ok   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 09, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
Had to take them both back to the vets this morning, Lucas hasn't been sick or had diarrhoea since his episode on Tuesday afternoon but he hadn't produced anything poo-wise for 3 1/2 days! He no longer has a temperature and apparently there is formed faeces waiting to come through so hopefully he's now fixed.

Riley hadn't done anything either until two runny poos last night, he's had another antibiotic jab and they're going to send his samples off. Vet said she hopes that by the time his results come back that he's better. She gave me some RC sensitive as the chicken being pure protein and no carbs could be why it's taking so long to come through. Lu just ate two portions as Riley, the one who actually needs it as he has a poorly tum still,  doesn't like it  :innocent:

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 09, 2010, 16:47:20 PM
That's often the case after diarrhoea though it goes the other way then.   Hopefully as the vet says things will be cleared up by the time the results are back but best to get it checked  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 10, 2010, 02:13:56 AM
Poor boys, they realing going through it and hope all gets back to normal soon  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 10, 2010, 18:47:57 PM
Sending  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: for you and the boys.  Hope  Lucas has 'performed' normally by now and Riley's runny poos are history.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 10, 2010, 19:37:02 PM
Sadly neither wish has come true yet Carol!

Lu STILL hasn't poo'd since the diarrhoea on Tuesday afternoon. I did let them out into the garden yesterday for the first time, I was keeping half an eye on them and did see Lucas scraping in the rockery so went over to investigate but no sign of anything so I'm fairly sure it must have been a wee  :shify: The vet did say that what she could feel wasn't too hard so didn't think he was constipated - since Tuesday night he's eaten at least 7 chicken breasts and 6 sachets of RC sensitive so something has got to come sooner or later!  :doh:

Riley had another runny poo last night but the vet did say what she could feel inside was quite squishy so suspected there was more to come  :tired: They're both still eating like horses and are both very happy/playful/affectionate still. Just need to sort their tummies out  :shy:

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 10, 2010, 20:12:58 PM
Schui was always a bit constipated and what used to help him was massaging his tummy in a clockwise direction very gently.

Glad to hear that they both seem well on themselves though  :)






Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 10, 2010, 20:22:16 PM
I think Lu would like that, he loves having his tummy rubbed so will defo give it a go  :)
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Fire Fox on October 11, 2010, 21:27:47 PM
Antibiotics can give some humans diarrhoea as it wipes out the 'friendly' bacteria, so hopefully that is why Riley is still not 100%.  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: ChrisB on October 11, 2010, 21:41:30 PM
How are things today Helen ?
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 11, 2010, 22:21:31 PM
How are things today Helen ?

Still not right. Thanks for thinking of them though  :hug:

I'm now really worried about Lu again, he last poo'd on Tuesday afternoon when he had the explosive diarrhea. There's a slim chance that he did one un-noticed in the garden on Saturday but I don't think so. That's 6 days without going and he's eaten 7 chicken breasts and 10 pouches of RC sensitive in that time  :scared: He still seems fine in himself, eating, drinking, weeing and happy to have his tummy rubbed.

When I took him to the vets on Sat she said she could feel nicely formed poo (ie not diarrhea and not hard poo) but it was quite high up and had a little way to go. I switched him to RC sensitive on her advice as the pure protein of the chicken breast was taking it's time and RC sensitive has carbs in but still no sign of anything. I think 6 days is too much (7 tomorrow) so am going to ring them tomorrow morning to see if I should take him back. I so hope he won't have to have a 'procedure' he's such a sensitive little soul it would upset him so much  :(

Riley hasn't poo'd since Saturday night so not sure how his tummy is, he's eaten his body weight in chicken breasts but the diarrhoea has continued even though he's been eating chicken for a week now.

I've rigged up the laptop and webcam in the spare room to 'monitor' the litter tray area, I really don't want to separate them to see who does what so while it's not foolproof (they might both use the same tray!) it's better than nothing  :shy:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: snarf on October 11, 2010, 22:38:38 PM
 :hug: poor boys

fingers and paws crossed for nice poos tonight
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 11, 2010, 22:57:55 PM
 :hug:  :hug: Hope things improve overnight Helen and you don't have to visit the vet again.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 11, 2010, 23:31:22 PM
Well 'toilet cam' has already paid off, I noticed a few grains of litter in front of the camera so went upstairs to inspect the offerings, looked back at the images and it was Riley... he produced (another) wee and a ridiculously small but well formed poo before joyously kicking litter in front of the webcam  ;D  ;D ;D

Just need Lukey to do the same now  :scared:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 11, 2010, 23:41:09 PM
Good news for Riley  :) fingers crossed now for Lukey xx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 12, 2010, 00:37:03 AM
Hope there have been good results today  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: madkittyrescue on October 12, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
Harbour babies all send their love to the Lu & Riley boys - hope they are both fighting fit and back to normal very soon Helen... :hug: :hug: for you too x
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 12, 2010, 15:49:27 PM
Another success with 'toilet cam' Lu was captured on CCTV sneaking into the litter tray at 07:55, reviewing the images he was the only cat to use it and wait for it, drum roll.... There was a miniature but well formed poo  :happy dance:

It really was teeny so where on earth the 7 chicken breasts and 10 pouches of food have gone I don't know but at least things are moving now!  ;D
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 12, 2010, 16:04:01 PM
 ;D brilliant news!

His body's used all the food up apart from a little left over because it was mainly all good stuff and his tum was very empty  :)
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Kay and Penny on October 12, 2010, 17:27:12 PM
well done Lu and Riley

must say a cam trained on a cat's litter tray is a bit of a first - hate to think what certain other forums out there might make of it, Helen :shify:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 12, 2010, 17:45:59 PM
well done Lu and Riley

must say a cam trained on a cat's litter tray is a bit of a first - hate to think what certain other forums out there might make of it, Helen :shify:

They'd have an absolute field day  :rofl: Crazy cat lady tips over the edge  :evillaugh:

Makes perfect sense to me though, I needed to know who did what and 'toilet cam' means that I don't have to faff around separating the boys and trapping them in separate rooms with a tray each! Anyway, it's not as weird as it sounds, it's not a close up or anything - it just shows which cat goes into which hooded tray  ;)

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 12, 2010, 18:37:47 PM
Success great  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: sheryl on October 12, 2010, 18:44:18 PM
Brilliant news - and about time LuLu x  :rofl:

Had to chuckle at the toilet cam  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Fire Fox on October 12, 2010, 21:19:26 PM
well done Lu and Riley

must say a cam trained on a cat's litter tray is a bit of a first - hate to think what certain other forums out there might make of it, Helen :shify:

You obviously haven't spent enough time wasted hours of your life searching YouTube, irrefutable video evidence of the wonders of the Litter Kwitter.  :sick:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: BazandGem on October 12, 2010, 21:59:32 PM
Well done Lu! I'm sure the poops will continue to come along nicely now... can't believe so many people getting excited over a cat poo  :evillaugh:

Glad the days of watching litter cam are now hopefully over, although it sounds as if you were starting to enjoy it  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 12, 2010, 23:49:33 PM
Glad to hear the boys have 'performed'  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 15, 2010, 11:56:11 AM
Poor Riley seems to have had a relapse  :( He had diarrhoea twice last night, has just been sick and had two more bouts of diarrhoea this morning  :(

He started back on normal food on Wednesday so looks like his little body can't take it, back to chicken breast I guess as he won't eat the RC sensitive.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Shirley on October 15, 2010, 12:00:21 PM
Oh poor baby,hope he'll be ok  :'(
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 15, 2010, 12:10:35 PM
O No poor Riley, have also noticed everytime he has a relapse my Muckspots follow suit. Have you had any results back on faeces samples yet Helen? I sent a sample on Wednesday , can tell you squeezing rock solid poop from 6 kittens into a tiny tub was a work of art  :rofl: I am almost convinced that this is all the work of a teeny parasite.
Hope Riley is soon back to normal soon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 15, 2010, 13:03:05 PM
I spoke to the vet yesterday (Thursday) afternoon pre his relapse, the first part of the test has come back clear (worms, worm eggs negative). Just waiting on the bacterial side of things, I'm kicking myself now as I said to her that I wasn't worried as all poos had returned to normal.

Sods law that I'm back to work today after a week off so can't keep an eye on him and be there for him if he's feeling poorly :(

Edit: Sorry, so wrapped up in feeling sorry for Riley I forgot to say hope the tests come back clear for the muckspots Teresa  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 15, 2010, 13:13:33 PM
Sorry to hear this, poor Riley must be fed up , I hope that you get to know what's wrong soon  :hug:

hope your Muckspots are soon sorted too T  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 15, 2010, 15:19:45 PM
Poor Riley and poor you Helen.  :hug:  :hug: Do you think that a more gradual introduction of normal food next time might help or did you already do that.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: AliCat on October 15, 2010, 18:29:41 PM
Poor Riley. Please give him a stroke for me.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: JackSpratt on October 15, 2010, 20:10:41 PM
 :hug: I have been following the thread Helen. Sorry to hear Riley's had a relapse - hope he's better soon.
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Mark on October 15, 2010, 21:09:56 PM
Hope it's nothing and clears up soon  :hug:
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Post by: tab on October 15, 2010, 21:18:17 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 15, 2010, 23:11:54 PM
 :thanks: everyone

Got home and gave him some chicken breast which he wolfed down and half an hour later he's just thrown the entire lot up and is now hiding under my bed  :( Going to try and get him into the vets tomorrow morning, it's just so worrying  :(
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 15, 2010, 23:19:08 PM
 :( oh Helen it must be a worry for you.

It sounds like he does have an appetite then but something is upsetting him.  I hope that the vet can get to the bottom of this soon, keeping fingers crossed xx  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Shirley on October 16, 2010, 07:03:29 AM
Hope today's vet visit sorts him out once and for all, it must be so distressing for him (and you)  :(   :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on October 16, 2010, 09:51:25 AM
I very much hope you get to find out what this is very soon Helen  :hug: :hug: :hug: 
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 16, 2010, 18:52:55 PM
Any news ? sending over all the positive vibes I can muster  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on October 16, 2010, 20:25:05 PM
Oh no Helen - so sorry to hear that poor Riley has had a relapse.  Lots of love and huggles and healing vibes xxxx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Fire Fox on October 16, 2010, 20:30:39 PM
Maybe Riley just has an acid tummy from not eating properly for a while, it ought to be a positive sign that he is hungry. I'd be worried if it was my furball. :hug:
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Post by: BazandGem on October 16, 2010, 21:41:31 PM
Is there any chance it could be related to the plastic chewing a little while ago, maybe a bit still stuck in his stomach so he's got a blockage somewhere? I can't remember what the outcome of that was.

It does sound positive that he's got an appetite, hope that the vet can give you some answers and he gets back to normal  very soon:hug:
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Post by: ginge66 on October 16, 2010, 22:36:49 PM
Oh :( I'm sorry i missed this didn't realise Riley was poorly again. Hope he got on ok at the vet and is improving :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Cooper & Peanut on October 16, 2010, 22:42:17 PM
Poor Riley..

Sending a shed load of 'get well' vibes and lots of headbutts and nudges off Cooper & Peanut

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 17, 2010, 00:19:18 AM
Thanks for all the positive vibes and thoughts, they really are appreciated  :hug:

Update is that he had me up all night, not because he was poorly but because he was being a pest trying to open drawers and pull things out from behind furniture! I fed him a small amount of chicken breast at around 3am and slept in the spare room with him so I could hear if he was being sick as if he was loose in the house and was sick somewhere hidden I'd be none the wiser. I then fed him some more chicken at 7am and again at midday and he kept all three meals down which is positive.

I decided against taking him to the vets this morning as a) he was now keeping food down and b) until we get the results of the faecal test on Monday (hopefully) they won't really know how to treat it so as long as he is keeping chicken breast down and otherwise happy in himself I'm going to leave it until I speak to the vets about the test results before I take him back. I have a funny feeling they're all going to come back negative which will mean we are at square one with no idea why he's poorly  :tired:

Is there any chance it could be related to the plastic chewing a little while ago, maybe a bit still stuck in his stomach so he's got a blockage somewhere? I can't remember what the outcome of that was.

It does sound positive that he's got an appetite, hope that the vet can give you some answers and he gets back to normal  very soon:hug:

The vets seem to think it's a bit of a red herring, he is passing motions (runny ones, although he had two 'normal' poos in the midst of all this diarrhoea) which would rule out a blockage but he was doing a funny flicking thing with his mouth/tongue yesterday like something was irritating him so I don't know.

Maybe Riley just has an acid tummy from not eating properly for a while, it ought to be a positive sign that he is hungry. I'd be worried if it was my furball. :hug:

The thing is FF he has been eating like a horse, albeit purely chicken breast so his tummy was used to eating. I'm a bit worried about feeding him just chicken breast long term, he won't eat the RC sensitive so he's eaten exclusively chicken for 10/11 days now - does anyone know if it could be harming him ie lack of taurine or something?
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Post by: Mark on October 17, 2010, 13:54:40 PM
I think the Taurine thing is an issue long-term but no idea how long. There isn't much in cooked chicken other than protein and a bit of fat - it is seriously low in calcium so if he will drink milk it is a good idea - maybe cimicat or similar?

Hope his appetite improves - have you tried some smelly a/d?
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 17, 2010, 16:52:02 PM
Sorry Riley is not well again and sometimes its a vicious cycle that eventually breaks of its own accord.

I know that I had problems getting Franta to eat a couple of years ago and he now will only eat one food and a bit of another. Then he had tail end probs which only lacto B resolved and it returns mildly every so often.

Sometimes frequent vet vists seem to make them worse and maybe stress has a role in this too.

I do hope Riley is back to normal quickly  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 17, 2010, 19:23:51 PM
Poor Riley, hope his tummy settles down soon  :hug: :hug: and that the vet can give you some idea with the results as to whats actually causing the problems xx
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 18, 2010, 00:26:43 AM
Poor Riley was sick a few hours after I posted this and then again in the morning so I ended up taking him to the emergency vets today, he's had another anti-biotic jab and an anti-emetic.

The strange thing is he still has an appetite and when he's not actually being sick is quite perky in himself  :shy: If he carries on being sick then he's to go back tomorrow and if not then he's to go back on Tuesday.

Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: JackSpratt on October 18, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
Some kind of infection in the digestive area, maybe? Can make you feel a bit rubbish but still functioning quite well.

Hoping the poor lad feels 100% soon. And hugs to you, this must be terribly worrying. :hug: :hug: (Clearly, I have to send a fuss to both cats. ;))
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 18, 2010, 19:00:16 PM
The second batch of faecal results came back today, negative for all nasty types of bacteria so have no idea what is causing this. He's going back tomorrow for another check up and she's ordered some different sensitive wet foods for him to try as chicken breast long term isn't good for him. He hasn't been sick today which is a plus but still need to get rid of this diarrhoea, he's had it for two weeks now  :(
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 18, 2010, 19:33:21 PM
Sorry, no practical suggestions but just want to send you and Riley some of these.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: JackSpratt on October 18, 2010, 21:53:55 PM
So odd. Hope you get some useful info soon and that the poor lads runs clear up. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Fire Fox on October 19, 2010, 00:19:08 AM
The second batch of faecal results came back today, negative for all nasty types of bacteria so have no idea what is causing this. He's going back tomorrow for another check up and she's ordered some different sensitive wet foods for him to try as chicken breast long term isn't good for him. He hasn't been sick today which is a plus but still need to get rid of this diarrhoea, he's had it for two weeks now  :(

 :hug: Have you tried probiotics such as LactoB yet? Diarrhoea can definitely be a side effect of antibiotic therapy due to the gut flora being wiped out. I *think* nausea is also a side effect, but my (human) pharmacy is pretty rusty.  :-[ Alternatively maybe the vomiting is down to dehydration or electrolyte imbalance from the diarrhoea?
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 19, 2010, 13:23:26 PM
FF - They've been on Lacto B for the last two weeks but the diarrhoea continues  :tired:

Poor Lukey, who had been OK for the last few days suddenly had diarrhoea (absolutely everywhere!) and was sick so he's going to be accompanying Riley to teh vets this afternoon
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Post by: Shirley on October 19, 2010, 14:13:55 PM
Poor boys   :(   Hope the vet can find something to help this afternoon  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 19, 2010, 14:16:34 PM
Franta was on the lacto B for about 6 months and everytime I stopped it the problem came back and in his case it was definately the abs that did it.

There is no reason not to keep them on the lacto B unless the problem is totally continuous, in which case it must be a problem.

Franta had to go back on the abs a number of times and each time I restarted the lacto B if he wasnt on it already.
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 19, 2010, 14:19:37 PM
 :hug: :hug:  Good luck for the vet visit and I do hope they can come up with an answer and the right treatment to get you poor boys back to normal.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 19, 2010, 15:34:54 PM
They're both now on a course of metronidazole, the faecal results came back negative  but there is obviously something going and it seems to be a vicious circle with one of them getting better then the other possibly passing it back. Riley has Hills I/D and sensitive duck RC to try and Lu is going to stick with the RC sensitive chicken.

I asked about blood tests but she said that there are no other clinical signs that would indicate something going on so to have them on sensitive food, antibiotics and probiotics and as long as they are still happy/eating to leave it a week before we re-assess.

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Post by: snarf on October 19, 2010, 19:00:14 PM
Sorry to hear the boys are still unwell  :hug:
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Post by: BazandGem on October 19, 2010, 22:05:27 PM
Poor boys. Sending big  :hug: :hug: for you and a :get well:

for Lukey and Riley (Rossi sends sympathetic head butts).

Gem x
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Post by: Mark on October 20, 2010, 08:18:32 AM
Hope they are feeling better today Helen  :hug:

I was just looking for sensitive food for Alice. I just ordered a bag of Arden Grange chicken & rice sensitive from VetUK and thought of the boys. I know they always say chicken & rice for dodgy tums + it has the vitamins etc. (£9.69 for 2.5kg  :) )
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 20, 2010, 09:58:47 AM
Helen I would send in more faeces samples, mix some up from both boys, some things do not always show up everytime.
 :hug:
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Post by: Fire Fox on October 20, 2010, 14:05:46 PM
FF - They've been on Lacto B for the last two weeks but the diarrhoea continues  :tired:

Poor Lukey, who had been OK for the last few days suddenly had diarrhoea (absolutely everywhere!) and was sick so he's going to be accompanying Riley to teh vets this afternoon

You must be worn out, Helen. :'(

How many antibiotic free days have there been in those two weeks? I haven't the foggiest how long a veterinary antibiotic injection is supposed to last. :shy: Blood levels are usually talked about in terms of the half life - the time it takes for the concentration to reduce by half - so there will still be a residual amount of antibiotic for hours or days with a long-acting formulation.

If the residual amount is still a therapeutic dose the probiotic bacteria won't take a hold. Furthermore there may well be inflammation/ damage to the gut lining after being poorly for so long. Not saying that the antibiotics are the sole cause as I am not a vet, just that they may well be a contributory factor (a necessary evil). As you say it is quite possible they are passing an infection back and forth, for some reason some nasties repopulate the gut faster than the good guys.  >:(
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 21, 2010, 14:51:45 PM
 :( Poor boys, it definitiely sounds like something infectious is they both have it.  I hope you get to find out what though  it must be wearing you down too  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 22, 2010, 18:06:10 PM
How are they now Helen?

The food arrived today. If you want me to send you a bit to try, PM me. It smells very meaty - sort of Iams-like - it even looks like Iams - it is possibly the same as PAH  :shify:. Ingredients are chicken, rice, corn & chicken fat + vitamins

Alice took to it straight away - hopefully it wasn't a one-off.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 22, 2010, 22:23:01 PM
A little update, they've been on their oral anti-biotics since Tuesday evening and both boys have had normal poos today :chicken: Lucas is quite easy to give tablets to as he just freezes, he hates it but it doesn't take long and is a necessary evil. Riley on the other hand is a different story and impossible to pill but he is luckily very greedy and has been eating the tablets rolled up in some wafer thin ham  :naughty: He did wretch as if to be sick earlier but hoping it was just a one-off and not connected to the recent vomiting.

Thanks for the offer Mark  :hug: I'm hoping to wean the boys back onto their normal food once I've had a few more days of normal poos but it was very sweet of you to think of them  :hug:
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Post by: Fire Fox on October 22, 2010, 22:59:51 PM
 :wooooo: :wooooo: :wooooo:
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Janeyk on October 22, 2010, 23:15:02 PM
That's good news :) Keeping fingers tightly crossed xx
Title: Re: Lukey & Riley both at the vets today - scene of devastation in my house!
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 23, 2010, 21:40:07 PM
Everything still going to plan, almost don't want to say it out loud as both times I spoke to the vet and said they were better they relapsed big time less than 24 hours later!

Anyone know how long I should leave them on the sensitive food before I try and wean them back onto normal stuff?

Edit: They have one more dose of metronidazole tomorrow morning if that makes a difference.

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 24, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
I would leave them on it for a week after tha abs finish and then if still ok , gradually change them back on to their normal food.
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on October 24, 2010, 23:50:15 PM
Hope all is still quiet in the tummy department.  :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 25, 2010, 20:21:59 PM
Spoke to the vets and she advised mixing in a small amount of 'old' food now and gradually increasing the ratio. They've had a few mouthfuls of biccies tonight so :crossed:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 25, 2010, 20:25:10 PM
 :)  That's good news :crossed:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on October 25, 2010, 21:29:53 PM
Glad things are looking up Helen but sad that it has taken so long.... fingers and toes crossed and touching wood that all is OK with the gorgeous duo  :Luv:
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Post by: BazandGem on October 25, 2010, 21:52:07 PM
 :crossed:  :happy dance: :happy dance: :happy dance: :happy dance:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 26, 2010, 08:47:48 AM
Fingers and toes crossed  :hug: :hug: :Luv2: