Purrs In Our Hearts - Cat Forum UK
Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa) on April 04, 2007, 11:13:42 AM
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Hi , i wish i never had an appointment at the vet this morning ,
a woman came in with a cat wrapped in a towel who her dog had just got hold of in the garden ,the poor cat died within 5mins of being at the vet im so upset ,i had tears rolling down my face in the waiting room but now im home i can let it all out , they dont know who the cat belonged too so some poor person is going to b looking for there little one today not knowing that he/she has passed away :'( :'( :'(
its brought it all bk to me when my cat was killed by a dog 9yrs ago ,
how can anyone live with a dog after its killed a cat is beond me it really is !
i love my dog more than anything or anyone but if he ever hurt a cat or a child that would be it !
im so so upset i cant even write no more
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Aww :hug:
I use the PDSA as you know and most times Im in there someone is taking their dog to be PTS, I cant condole myself and have to hold back the tears, Im sure people think Im mad.
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i take my hat off to the vets and the receptionist i dont know how they hold it together ,
coz i wouldnt b able to .
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While I was in the vets yesterday someone came in to pick up their cat who had been PTS (I know it is against the law to let you take the body). Then someone else had to have their cat PTS. Unfortunately it is a sad fact of life.
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It's terrible - I think that any dog that is that aggressive should be PTS as it could just as easily have been a child - not that a cat is any less important in my eyes. I always assumed that nurses etc had hearts of stone but my nurse friend said she always cried when they lost a patient (she also used to tell the patient that they had passed over and not to be frightened!) .
Poor cats do get the short straw in life.
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How horrible, RIP little one.
I know it is against the law to let you take the body
Is it Ela? I didnt know that. I know if you bury your pet its illegal to exhume it.
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MM, I just queried Ela about that on another thread (the Animal Welfare thread), as my mum's dog was pts 2years ago and is buried in her garden.
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any dog that does that to a cat should defo b pts imo
if the dog has done it once it can do it again
the owners of the dog said " im afraid he will go for any cat or small dog "
omg then why not muzzle it when u cant supervise it in the garden
where ever my dog goes im always with him even if its just when he goes for a wee , coz he has a habbitt of barking at the neighbours if he is on his own out there , but omg if i owned a dog that wasnt cat friendly id take precautions at all times !!!
i feel so sorry for the owner of the cat when they find out ,
im so glad i keep my little ones indoors at least i know they r safe .
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very sad but whether it's a cat or a person I'd want to know a bit more about what happened before suggesting the dog be pts. I hate it when children get attacked by dogs and the immediate assumption is that the dog must be pts without many people seeming to want to know whether the dog was provoked in any way.
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i see wat u mean
but i think dog owners of dogs who r not cat friendly should take precautions
fair enough if they dont want to acompany the dog out to the garden every time but surely they could just put a muzzle on it .
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many people seeming to want to know whether the dog was provoked in any way.
I agree about the children bit, a while ago there case a piece in our local paper calling for a dog to be PTS until the incident it had never done anything wrong in its life. It crime was to jump up at a child and scratch it. Now that dog was on its lead tied to a lamp post while its owner was in a shop. So the child must have gone up to the dog and in my opinion the dog was not to blame.
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R.I.P little cat and well done to the owner of the dog for taking the cat to the vets.
The thing is it is natural for a dog to attack a cat and i dont think the dog should be PTS.
My new neighbours have a dog and i am scared to bits that it will attack my cats.
I spoke to my neighbour about this as she is worried too and said to her that although i would be devastated if anything ever happened i wouldnt hold her responsible as dogs dont like cats!
We tend to keep a close eye on things, if she lets her dog in the garden i get my cats in and likewise with her
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The thing is it is natural for a dog to attack a cat and i dont think the dog should be PTS.
My Badger never felt the need to attack a cat even some stange cat that have have wondered into the garden,in fact he was scared of some of them.
as dogs dont like cats!
I know loads of dog that love cats
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furbaby: im sorry but u r wrong !
i have a massive german shepherd who lives with and loves 7 cats , he has never once even accidently hurt one while running and barking at the door etc
plus my mum has a staffiex collie and she has cats
theres loads of dogs who live with cats
my dog often gives up his bed and lets my cat strech out and sleep in his bed ,
i had my precious much loved kitten killed by a neighbours dog 9 yrs ago
so this subject is very close to my heart ,
dog owners with dogs who dont like cats should muzzle the dog when there r cats around end of!
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dog owners with dogs who dont like cats should muzzle the dog when there r cats around end of!
Even if they're in their own gardens? I do agree that aggessive dogs that are likely to attack a person or a cat without provocation should be muzzled, but many dogs are territorial and will defend their territory from what they see as an intruder. My sister's dogs would bark at any cat that came into their garden so the neighbourhood cats soon learned to stay away. Not all dogs will get on with cats, although some obviously do, and if a cat and dog get into a fight the cat is likely to come off worse due to the size difference. We can't always assume that in every instance it's the dog's fault.
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Yes even in there own garden ,theres cats about everywhere
and if my dog was like that he would b muzzled in the garden if not supervised with me sitting out there with him ,
id not ever forgive myself if my dog killed a cat as i said in an earlier post that would be it im afraid ! and it takes a lot for me to say that coz i adore my dog i love him so very much he is my baby my whole world !
but cats have rights
surely they can go for a walk about round the neighbourhood without being kliled by a dog
and if the dog is properly trained and properly socialised they shouldnt even think about killing or attacking an animal!
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But isn't someone's garden private property? Surely it's the responsibility of the cat owner to keep the cat off someone else's property? (morally if not legally) and that's one (of many) reasons why my cats are kept indoors. I'm not sure I'd be prepared to muzzle a dog just so that it could go out into my own garden, but then again, I wouldn't have an aggessive dog in the first place as I believe the owners are generally to blame for aggressive dogs. But even a non aggressive dog may attack a cat that came into it's garden.
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furbaby: im sorry but u r wrong !
I think you're being a tad bit unfair on Michelle for her opinion. It is in fact, her opinion, as yours is to you. It doesn't mean she's wrong or that you are wrong either..
I am sorry this little cat was killed, its awful, I wouldn't wish this on anyone. However, unless any one of us was there to see exactly what happened I don't think its fair to judge the dog or the owner. I lived with german shepherds who tolerated our cats. They were family pets and respected in the neighbourhood as good watchdogs. They were kept in their own environment, they were not exposed to the public areas.
We never had to muzzle them in their own home and garden even though our cats and those of neighbours used to visit the garden when the dogs were out. We would be careful of strangers visiting and keeping the dogs away.
Dogs are like any large animal, unpredictable. And so are cats for that matter.
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But when someone lets there cat out they cant control where its going to go , i know when my darling bubbles was killed by a dog we went to the police,rspca, and solicitor was told theres nothing that can be done if a cat enters someones private garden and there happens to b a dog there ,but if it had happend on the street then that would of been diferent , and since that day i made the decsion to never let out any cat that i got in the future , coz id not be strong enough to ever go through that again it would brake me !
im extremley upset about this tabby cat this morning and i didnt even know the cat ,
for so long after my cat was killed i was terrified of dogs and though tthey were all bad , my dog has taught me different , he has shown me that dogs can be so gentle and loving towards cats , the vets told the owner to go home and knock all his neighbours see if anyone owned the cat but i really cant see him doing that , how on earth can u go and tell someone that ur dog has killed there cat it must b a terribly hard thing to do
and depending on what kind of owner the cat had u dont know wat the reaction would be to that news ,
i wont even write wat my reaction would be ,
but id defo blame the owner for it not the dog .
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But when someone lets there cat out they cant control where its going to go ,
Exactly - when you let a cat roam free (and I'm not saying I'm against indoor/outdoor cats) there are risks. It may get in a cat fight, be involved in a traffic accident or get into a fight with a dog. Those are the risks that go with letting a cat go outside. Wihere a dog is involved, it may be the dog's fault, it may be the dog owner's fault, it may be the cat's fault or it may just be a tragic accident. Without being there it's impossible to know which of those factors played a part. I do agree that aggressive dogs should be muzzled but I don't think it should be a requirement of keeping a dog that it gets on with cats. And if someone keeps a dog that doesnt' like cats and a cat comes into the garden, well, sadly there could be a tragic outcome. Yes cats have rights but so do dogs - esp when their on their own property.
I'm sorry about your cat. That must have been horrible.
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yea it was awful
its still a very painful subject and i still hurt so much he is missed terribly every single day
he would of been 10 next month
he was and still is the most pefect little cat ive ever known ,he was so handsome and so loving
he use to like being wrapped in a blanket like a newborn baby and he loved being gently rocked to sleep with me patting his back , he adored going out and although he had a very short life he was very happy and very loved .
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he sounds adorable. Do you have any pictures of him?
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yes i do i have two when he was really tiny which r on display in my kitchen and i have a photo of him taken when he first started going out which was at about 3mths old
he died just b4 he was 6mths old ,ill try and get a pic of him on my pc and ill put it up .
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If the dog is naturally visious and attcks all animals then i believe the owner has the juty to make sure no harm can come to others.
This this morning I believe was just a case of being too close to the dog, but yes dogs do go for cats and the only way that can be stoped is to manage the dog properly.
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susanne i'm with you and if a dog who doesnt like cats is in its own secured garden then absolutely no way should muzzles be enforced upon it. My greys like cats but should one wander into my garden and they chase well...we'd have to hope for a good outcome but im not going to muzzle my dogs every trip outside for all these years in the off chance a cat might wander by. (i dont actually think they would attack but i'd guess they'd run after it)
Ela it is definately not illegal to take your pets body home although there used to be some discrepancy on the burying of the body in council property but the council never did anything about it.
Many parents even take their dead child home in the car with them if they have died of known causes in hospital (i found that quite disturbing)
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Ela it is definately not illegal to take your pets body home although there used to be some discrepancy
That is what I have been told by more than one vet, infact someone rang me in tears only a couple of weeks ago to say the vet she used (not mine) would not let her take her cat home and insisted it went for cremation. It did not have any disease just worn out due to old age.
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firstly RIP little one.
secondly last I heard a cat was considered in law as semi-wild and in law can roam anywhere it wants.but if you don't want cats in your garden you cannot allow your dog to attack it and I think this is where the new law comes in it states any animal must be able to "show its normal behavior"so trying to pick the bones out of this situation will be a major job.
heres a stort of two ginger cats.
ginger vincent who has now passed on used to terrorize dogs in our street in Brighton dog walkers would take their dogs across the street to avoid him lounging on our wall looking rather nasty.
harriet out last intake came to us at 5 months old supposed stray she had been attacked by 4 dogs 3 staffies and an alsasian rotty cross,poor girl had teeth marks all over her and whenever she hears a dog dashes for home.
PS last time we were at the vets a little jack russel was PTS its not nice but I'm sure the vets get used to it(we had a vet in Brighton and the two times we had to have fred and paddy PTS he cried like a baby...but was a fantastic vet)
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Many parents even take their dead child home in the car with them if they have died of known causes in hospital (i found that quite disturbing)
:sick: :sick:
Why would you do that?
Fair enough, with animals you might want to bury them in the garden.. but why not just let the child body go straight to the morgue? :sick: :sick:
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i definately remember people used to think this but we found out proper fact and its not the case, atleast not anymore..of course unless england is different.
I dont think much of that ladys vet though not letting her take the body home.
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dawn i imagine if you have nursed your child through cancer or some terrible illness then it would be natural to carry them onto your lap in the back of a car and have them at home to hold and hug and to say your goodbyes.
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speaking as someone who has had two babies die, it is true that you get the chance to take them home - not something I ever did and couldn't really see how it would help but hospitals do offer it and some parents like to take them so they feel like they have had them at home and not all memories are in hospital
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dawn i imagine if you have nursed your child through cancer or some terrible illness then it would be natural to carry them onto your lap in the back of a car and have them at home to hold and hug and to say your goodbyes.
I suppose so - I have a bit of a fear of dead bodies or things though, I think that is what makes me feel a bit :sick: about it. I cant touch things if i know its dead :(
Although, I have never had a pet die or seen a person I loved once they had passed on so I suppose that might be different.
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im sure it would.
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(I did not mean to offend by the way, just had an instant reaction to that)
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The owner of the dog did say " im afraid he will go for any cat or small dog "
sooooo im afraid i think he is irrisponsible for not supervising or muzzling his dog
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I'm not offended at all! Just wanted to say that yes it was true in my case that we did get the offer my first son was stillborn and the support group for people who have had stillborns called SANDS is a big advocate of this so hospitals feel a bit pressured to offer it, like I said I didn't do it, I was a bit rubbish at the whole thing really and even turned down photos
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im sure it would.
I will agree as you get older its not such a trial to see someone you love who is dead believe me it help you.
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This is my precious photo of a very precious special boy
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heres another one
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dawn im sure you werent rubbish just dealt with it in the only way you knew how at the time. :hug:
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can we try and keep to the subject
instead of talking about dead people and dead children which i find very distasteful
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lucky you've never had any then
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how do u know that please? when u dont know me
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threads go off on red herrings all the time.
instead of talking about dead people and dead children which i find very distasteful
i found that very disrespectful considering we have a member who has admitted to losing two of her children.
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can we try and keep to the subject
I don't wish to be rude but it was you who brought up the subject in the first place. As you know topics then go on and more things are added, but people are talking about the same subject.
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which is wat im saying !!!!!!!!!!!
its a very sad thing to talk about its very upsetting
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Ela : i did not bring up the subject of dead people or children thank u very much ok
id not dream of it i have respect for the dead
let them rip ffs
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why is it you can talk about dead animals but not people forever ?
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BECAUSE THIS IS A CAT FORUM MAYBE
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you didnt think of that when posting about your family and nephew etc ?
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BECAUSE ................I POSTED THAT IN NON CAT DISCUSSION REMEMBER ??????????????
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no need for the caps lock. Yes you did but it was still on a cat forum lol.
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WHICH WAS FOR" NON" CAT RELATED SUBJECTS
RIGHT OR WRONG ?
MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK SORRY ;D
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Ela it is definately not illegal to take your pets body home although there used to be some discrepancy on the burying of the body in council property but the council never did anything about it
Have rung a vet and apparently the Environmental Health office of many Councils in England do not like people to bury their pets in gardens and if a vets practice is in such a councils area they should not give back pets they have PTS at the surgery, (of course we know most do), the exception could be if someone says they want to take the cat for private cremation at a different crematorium to the one the vet uses.
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but surely there is a difference between "not liking" and a specific law that they could enforce ?
that sounds pretty much what it used to be here altho when i probed further there wasnt any proper legislation. Maybe scotland is abit more relaxed though although we have had big shake ups on the disposal of large animals which includes horses pet goats /sheep etc which you can imagine affects a fair few folk in the country.
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We have a horse crematorium near here.
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yes although our local private pet crem cant accomodate that size the bigger one at the scottish argicultural college can (you can use them for normal cat/dog private crem too where you get their ashes back and also they are the ones that did our "general cremations" where the owners did not want bodies or ashes back so lots of bodies done together)
I cant remember the cost but its quite hefty for a very large horse...my friend lost her 16hh thoroghbred last year at the grand old age of 36 and she "broke the law" by getting him buried in one of her paddocks. I did suggest she get half a ton of lime on top but i dont think she took my advice.
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there was a discussion about this on an Irish forum and apparently over there it is illegal to bury animals.
on the crematorium bit when they are left at the vets to be cremated they go to a large crematorium there is one in Cambrdge(the place was massive and resembled something from a si-fi movie,not a place I would want to visit again) where I remember going to collect a cat with a lady who had seen a programme on TV about it and it showed them cremating all the animals together and she wanted her cat done seperately so its always best to ask.
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yes you need to be very clear and also the vets should be very clear in their questioning..if a body goes for general cremation then its not an individual service and you will not get ashes back..specifying private crem and paying the extra is the only way to gaurantee your pet gets done separately and you get THEIR ashes back.
We are lucky in aberdeen the man who does the private small animal crems is one of the lovliest nicest humans your ever likely to meet and is just purrfect for the job..he has such a gentle soft manner and in actual fact started his business after his own boxer was killed by a refuse lorry years ago and he realised he couldnt get his beloved pet cremated separetly.
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Just a reminder to play nicely please, peeps ;D
I brought Magpie home from the vets after he died but I did take him back the next day for cremation. At first I just intended to bring him home for a short while so that Jaffa could see his body but I ended up keeping him at home all day and found it very comforting to be able to say goodbye to him properly and spend some time with him at home. His last hours at the vets weren't nice as he was in an incubator hooked up to allsorts and obviously distressed so it was nice for my final memories of him to be of him at peace.
I was asked what I wanted to do with his body and given all the options, including private cremation.
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I'm glad you took him home as i would think it must be alot more comforting having a few hours or day etc to sit and cuddle and "chat" and not have the constraints of a veterinary surgery around you. I'm lucky ive not had to lose an animal of my own at a surgery but if i did i think i'd do the same as you.
Ive mentioned before they say it is a very good idea to allow the animals you still have to be in the same room as the passed ones as they then understand.
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(( Dawn )) i am so sorry that you have lost 2 babies, i cannot begin to imagine how it must feel. xxxx
Lisa, Firstly i am sorry that your kitten died in that way and so i can understand why you attacked me over MY opinion
However, because it is MY PERSONAL opinion it does mean its wrong!
I also cannot agree with dogs being muzzled in their own gardens and as i have said if one of my cats goes into my neighbours garden and is attacked by her dog i wouldnt blame her or the dog.
I personaly dont let my cats out until they are at least a year old, i feel that at a younger age they are still babies they dont stand a chance in the big wide world !!
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My dog is great with my 4 cats luckily and he never chases other cats that are in the garden, he is a 40kg Rottie/Alsation cross. However, if he was aggresive towards cats or any other animal I would not leave him outside unsupervised because I would not be able to live with myself if he killed someone elses cat, I am not going to go into details but I have seen a cat killed by a dog, it is something that will always haunt me.
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However, because it is MY PERSONAL opinion it does mean its wrong!
THAT SHOULD READ "DOESNT"
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Sorry peeps but it is seen to be rude and shouting in capital letters, could ya take your caps lock off please. Thanks. :)
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how did you manage to do that with the red bit LOL..i only just worked out how to do the quotes up in blue :rofl:
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Hi,no it' not against the law to take your pet from the vet after it died.
some vet would like people to think that but it's not true
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LOL Lynn
When typing highlight the word and then click the button with a green G
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Hi,no it' not against the law to take your pet from the vet after it died.
some vet would like people to think that but it's not true
hi and welcome to the forum and I'm glad you have said that as I have two of ours buried in our garden and any other will be buried there too.
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Hi,no it' not against the law to take your pet from the vet after it died.
some vet would like people to think that but it's not true
hi and welcome to the forum and I'm glad you have said that as I have two of ours buried in our garden and any other will be buried there too.
Same here. I have 2 buried in my garden, 1 is Molly who died over night at the vets. I bought her home without questions asked, and said goodbye and buried her.
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Hi,no it' not against the law to take your pet from the vet after it died.
some vet would like people to think that but it's not true
It is not a vet thing it is a Environmental thing and many Councils have that rule, however many vets would think like my quote below.
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Hi guys, just caught up on this thread.
It's terrible - I think that any dog that is that aggressive should be PTS as it could just as easily have been a child - not that a cat is any less important in my eyes. I always assumed that nurses etc had hearts of stone but my nurse friend said she always cried when they lost a patient (she also used to tell the patient that they had passed over and not to be frightened!) .
Poor cats do get the short straw in life.
Mark I always thought that about nurses as well, (I'm a student nurse) but the first time that I had to assist to clean a body, it was actually really special. The nurse who I assisted was very professional, she spoke to the body as she would have had the person still been alive and after it I felt really sad, but the nurse taught me the proper way to act and to have absolute respect for a body.
Forever sorry if that was straying from your topic again.
I don't think that dogs should be pts over things like that either, such a sad story about the wee cat though :(
S x
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Foreve don't read any further.
she spoke to the body as she would have had the person
My friend is an undertaker and she does the same.
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Thats really nice - I would like to think that people would show me respect when I pass over ;D It must take a special kind of person to be able to do that for a job and not let their emotions get the better of them (and take the thoughts of the job home) I think.
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What is a bonus is the fact that she is a great cat and dog lover and has completely enclosed her huge garden to make a pet haven.
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Dawn, I always imagined it would be hard too, but I suppose it depends on circumstances etc.
I know I have a lot ahead of me, and it will be very challenging though.
It is nice to know though that you are repected and your dignity is kept until the very end :)
S x
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Dawn, I always imagined it would be hard too, but I suppose it depends on circumstances etc.
I know I have a lot ahead of me, and it will be very challenging though.
It is nice to know though that you are repected and your dignity is kept until the very end :)
S x
:luck: with your training, nursing must be so rewarding.
I love your kitties by the way Sarah, their little faces in your profile picture :Luv:
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You just reminded me Dawn, I need to get a new profile pic with Charlie in it aswell! hahah
xxx
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Foreve don't read any further.
she spoke to the body as she would have had the person
My friend is an undertaker and she does the same.
we have two of ours buried in the garden and I talk to them all the time does this make me senile ......................no need to answer I already know
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we have two of ours buried in the garden and I talk to them all the time does this make me senile ......................no need to answer I already know
I do the same !!!
My neighbour must think i'm mad when i am out there tending their graves and chatting to them :rofl:
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I don't have Magpie's ashes or body but I do still have conversations with him so I guess I must be mad too!
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My passed over pussies are all in my garden. I imagine that each full moon, they play and pounce on mice together in the moonlight.
If I have to have another pts, I'll phone the vet and check that I can take my cat home. If not, I'll try another vet.
Some people teach dogs to chase cats, especially proud gardeners. I used to tell my mum off for this. She taught her poodle to bark at cats. But the dog was no bigger that most cats and frightened of them. Also, I was under the impression that cats could outrun and outclimb a dog, so get away, unless it was chased by more that one dog and cornered.
What a sad thread this is. :'(
:welcome: FURRY-WEEBLES, do you really look like Brad Pitt! :blow kiss:
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On the subject of dogs - I dont agree with muzzling them in their own garden, it actually does seem unfair on the dog. I'm a bit unsure on aggressive dogs - I dont think you can say that as a dog has gone for a cat, it will go for a child, i do believe they see them completely differently - my neighbours aggressive dog only went for adults, and mainly if they had fluorescent jackets on, he could be trusted with everything else.
As for bringing them home etc - the first two of mine were brought home, one is buried on the street she lived most of her life on, I think the neighbour bought a special plant to go over her grave, and Tig is buried in my 'mud patch (we dont have true gardens, so nothing else has been able to come home with me) - a neighbour offered to knock it down for me a couple of weeks ago, and had to say no cos of her. As Ginger went suddenly, he was taken to my parents allotments, as that is the area he spent most of his life. I can't get my head round cremation and having ashes back (although that happened with teh foster who died, he is in the CP's rememberance garden), so I leave mine at the vets.
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Also, I was under the impression that cats could outrun and outclimb a dog, so get away
If that were the case so many more cats lives would be saved. (don't know about the outclimb bit though)