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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on April 26, 2010, 12:38:26 PM
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Anyone had any experiance with these meds in treating their own cats? I have looked around the net trying to find info but it's only relating to cats with season problems :tired:
Ollie has now been put on these as a last chance medication and even with these he's going down hill, I feel like Im loosing my boy :'(
We are at the vets tomorrow to see how things are going and to see whats best for Ollie, although nothing else can be done except to medicate him and these meds dont seem to be working now :(
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He's been put on these for his mouth problems.
Plasmacytic Stomatitis
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:( I'm so sorry to hear that Ollie is so poorly. I don't know anything about Ovarid, I do hope that the vet has other suggestions, poor boy :hug:
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Sorry, CC I haven't heard of it. Hope that Ollie improves soon, poor lad. :hug:
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I've just googled and it seems to be used a fair bit for oral problems although mainly skin, it's a hormonal preparation which reduces inflammation so that does make sense, isn't it helping at all?
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Its was helping, I got 8 tablets had to do one every other day, then one every 3 days but seems he has got his infection back and his mouth is really swolen, he's starting to look shabby :( This was only 2 weeks ago he's had these and also an anti-b for the infection. This will be the 3rd time he's had this infection in almost 2 months.
Any info found I would be greatfull if you could post it :thanks:
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Sorry CC, I don't know anything about it :hug:
I just hope Ollie starts to improve :ahh:
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:thanks: I hope he does too :)
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I've used it for skin conditions and its an on going medication, though only used it when had to as it is hard on the organs i think.
got the dosage down to about 1/4 tab every few days...
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Thats what the vet said, hopefully we can get it down to 1 a week. I am really hoping its this blasted infection not letting them work properly cos if it's not there is nothing else to do :(
Vet said he doesn't think taking his other teeth out would work but if it comes as a last resort I think I have to try that before making any major decisions for him.
Please send get well vibes for Ollie :thanks:
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CC, was just talking with Teresa on the phone, she wanted me to let you know that Ovarid carries a very high risk of causing diabetes, so best to consult with you vet in detail :hug:
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Vet said he doesn't think taking his other teeth out would work but if it comes as a last resort I think I have to try that before making any major decisions for him.
It does say on Dr Addie's site that removing the teeth has the highest success rate, not without risk of course though :hug: http://dr-addie.com/stomatitis.html#treat
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CC, I'm sending them, trust me. I know how many things you've tried for Ollie and can imagine how stressed you're feeling right now. Give him a fuss for me. :hug:
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CC sorry hes gone down hill again, its such an awful condition :(
If the ovarid isnt helping then Thalidamide is meant to be very helpful if it can be sourced, it would be something id try as a last attempt, think it has less side effects than ovarid BUT i havnt read indepth about it. Dr Addies page has possible supplier details :hug:
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I was prescribed these for Tom's spraying, but side effects include diabetes and mammary cancer, so I refused to use them. I am surprised your vet still doesn't want to remove teeth, it has to be worth trying rather than pump him full of hormones, although Sam still gets mouth ulcers despite having no teeth, but it doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much.
What antibiotic is the vet using?
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CC just sending loads of positive vibes for Ollie xxxx
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Not sure about the side effects of the drug if it's not over-used and monitored carefully I would hope it would be ok.
I was going to say the same thing as Desley regarding teeth though, if Ollie hasn't had them removed it seems a shame, I know it doesn't help all cats but my Schui never suffered again with his mouth once all his teeth had been taken out - his mouth was described as being 'like raw liver' before.
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He's had all of his teeth removed except from the fangs inwards, if it comes to it I will request taking his other teeth out as a last option. I dont like filling him with meds either and sometimes do wonder who Im doing it for :( but I love him so much and would try anything to keep him alive and well, he really shows he wants to be alive! :)
Des- I asked the vet about cancer as I remembered you said about it before, the vet said it could only give them a chance of growing boobs :-:
Off to the vets now, will post once I come back :)
Thanks MM have written that down :)
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Have to go back to vets on Friday. Ollie has been taken off the Ovarid now as the vet doesn't seem to think its working- he thought the same as me in that the infection was not making them work to there full extent. He's had an aniti-b today (sorry forgot to ask which one :shy: ) and then when we go back he's going to give Ollie a shot of his usual steriods.
Hopefully this blasted infection will shift and Ollie can get back on track :)
I also forgot to take the name of the meds with me :doh: but am going to phone them later :)
Vet also said taking the rest of his teeth out could be an option but he doesn't think it would have any effect, but its something that has to be tried before anything is thought about :shy:
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Hopefully the abs will help and then the steroid, fingers crossed xx :hug:
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MM just read something and it's only saying Thalidomide is used in stomatitus cases associated with FIV. Ollie has been tested for FIV and it was neg.
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CC - I don't know about Stomatosis so I decided to read up. The first site I looked at was peteduction.com - the first paragraph tells you that "it is primarily thought that some cats may have a hypersensitivity or allergic reaction to bacterial plaque and are called 'plaque-intolerant." - so surely, as you said earlier having all the teeth out would make all the difference. I don't know if you remember all the problems Clapton had with his mouth and teeth over the years. It seemed like every 6 months or so, he was back having more out. Eventually he was down to 4 teeth and the vet was going to take 2 out. I told him there wasn't much point leaving a cat with 2 teeth in its mouth :Crazy: - he said that that last 2 were healthy and would be a lot harder to remove than healthy ones. I said I accepted that but I would not be happy if in 6 months time, Clapton got a bad mouth again. He said he would try and he did take them all out. Since that day, Clapton has had sweet breath and no mouth problems at all. I am also convinced this is what caused his CRF.
I know it can also cause arthritis as well as all other kinds of illness. If your vet isn't happy taking teeth out, ask him for a referral to a cat dental specialist who will be better able to deal with it. It isn't as if he is a really old cat?
I know the article doesn't apply to all forms but unless they have ruled it out...
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+1371&aid=368
PS - I was just looking at all the signs on the article and they are all the things Clapton had. I am just annoyed that no vet ever mentioned Stomatosis - we would have done anything to make our boy better and I am angry that he suffered for about 3 years before all his teeth finally being removed ended the problem.
Has the vet suggested a Chlorhexidine mouthwash in the meantime? - this should also help a lot.
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I dont think dr addies site mentions it being used for fiv cats cc, do check there ;D
Theres so much on the web and a lot contradicts, i try to read from sites that are more in the know ie specialists like dr addie or the feline advisory bureau than general health sites, can often spot errors on such pages. I always ask my vet too ;)
Something that is important with the extractions is complete removal including the root
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Something that is important with the extractions is complete removal including the root
I read that too and was going to edit my post. I have read this in humans as well. I read about cases where people had arthritis which went after root fragments were removed.
By the sounds of it, chlorhexidine mouth wash, in the short term might help. I know it is good at killing mouth bugs - the only thing I am against is the stuff they sell to add to drinking water as I don't think it is good to be swallowed as it will kill the good as well as the bad bacteria in the gut.
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Good luck with tomorrows visit, I really would push for his remaining teeth to be removed.
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:thanks: peeps :)
Yes I am going to push for the other teeth to be removed, the vet has only said it's an option but one he thinks wouldn't work- he didn't say they wouldn't do it so Im guessing they will, I hope so :scared:
Ollie will be 6 this year and the poor little begger has suffered with this most of his life, he's been on meds since being 6 months old it was noticed when he was neutered. Its strange as Ollie is uncle to one of my mums cats and also one of my aunts and they both had mild Gingivitis :shify:
Its also a really stressing condition to manage and try to stay on top of- Ollie is fine but when he gets an infection then he goes down hill really quick :( It also :censored: me off as Ollie is a well cat other than this and he shows he wants to be alive and he can live a happy life when he's not really ill ;D
The vet wants to help Ollie as much as I do and he is constantly apologising that he cannot cure him :( Im hoping he agrees to having the rest removed :)
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my vet is a bit fan of removing all the teeth, she says the gums seal and stop the infection getting in - I suppose as with everything they've all got their own opinion
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I also believe that Dawn :)
If it is an intolerance to plaque then having his teeth out should stop that.
Vets tomorrow :)
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It doesn't work for all cats I believe but certainly worked for our Schui, he was on steroids, abs, mouth gels and I had to scrape plaque off his teeth every day it just built up which wasn't pleasant but had to be done :sick: we tried everything. He'd had some teeth removed before we adopted him but eventually the vet suggested taking them all out and it was a blessing. I do hope Ollie can be helped with Schui it was an autoimmune problem and it sounds similar with Ollie :hug:
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Yes that's what Ollie has Janey.
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Yes that's what Ollie has Janey.
Thought it sounded similar, it must be horrible for them :(
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I know it's like their own body attacking them and killing them :(
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I your vet says no, maybe time to change vets. I hate knowing they are in pain :'(
Clapton used to sit at the dish wanted to eat but ended up with a food aversion as he associated food with pain in the end. it used to break my heart when he wiped his mouth with his paw :'(
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Good luck today
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I wont be changing vets, I have used them for 7 years and they are the best around here, thats my view anyway :) If it hadn't of been for them Ollie would of not been here by now because of the pdsa, but my vets agreed with me and helped Ollie as they thought he still had a good life to live, they have helped me enormously with Ollie and if it wern't for them he wouldn't be here today :shy:
I think the vet will agree, he knows my feelings over this so I think they would be willing to try to actually see if it does work :)
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Hope all goes well today :hug:
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have just caughtup with this thread and thought I'd put in my tuppance worth as we have Jo Jo here an elderly puss with the same problem.
We tried him on ovarid and loads of different options over the years but we didn't take his teeth out as our vet said (and it made sense) why take out the teeth when its the gums thats the problem. By taking out the teeth you are making it even harder for them to eat as they then have no teeth to chew with and are left to use only the red inflamed gums to eat with. But again - every case is different but taking the teeth out won't necessarily resolve the issue.
For the last 12 months we have stopped all medications for Jo Jo - if he goes through a bad spell we inject him with Convenia which settles it down again great and he's back to normal within a day or two. His mouth is a mess but he is happy, eats well - even eats biscuits but I think as well he had to reach a point where he could cope with his mouth the way it was. He's had to have surgery a couple of times to remove flaps that have formed on his gums - but he still has his teeth and I have been known to give him placque off stuff and mouth washes which also help.
I don't say this to confuse you but wanted to give you another viewpoint from someone who has a cat with the same problem :hug: good luck with the vets hope all goes well.
If you want to ask me anything specific re Jo Jo you're welcome to drop me a PM :hug:
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Thanks Sarah :)
Its just getting to the point now that the meds are failing and there will soon be nothing else to do :( Ollie is only 5 he deserves a chance :)
After having his other teeth out that did help him a lot, he now even eats biscuits which he never did before. Its just when he gets an infection he goes down hill really quick and its sad to see him that way :(
Ollie needs constant steriods to keep this at bay, if he doesn't have them his throat will close over and he wouldn't be able to breath or even eat. The last time he was fit as a fiddle for 10 months untill he got the infection again :(
Its looks like the infection has gone as the green drool is not round his mouth now :)
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He's been given a steriod jab and we have to go back in 2 weeks to see how its going. Vet said taking the rest of his teeth out will be an option before pts is thought about ;D
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good its got to be worth a try and I know you'll do anything to keep him well
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paws crossed :hug:
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Best of luck with the jab and good that the vet is willing to remove all teeth if need be - anything is worth a try :hug:
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Hope his jab kicks in soon cc :hug:
We tried him on ovarid and loads of different options over the years but we didn't take his teeth out as our vet said (and it made sense) why take out the teeth when its the gums thats the problem. By taking out the teeth you are making it even harder for them to eat as they then have no teeth to chew with and are left to use only the red inflamed gums to eat with. But again - every case is different but taking the teeth out won't necessarily resolve the issue.
The easy way of explaining it is that the gums are basically allergic to the teeth and tartar.
I read a very interesting paper which concluded although extractions wont cure every case there was a very good success rate, from memory around 80%. Which for me is good odds :wow:
Also interestingly cats teeth are not designed for chewing, but ripping and swallowing, certainly all the toothless cats i know eat all kinds of food without a hitch, including raw!
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Also interestingly cats teeth are not designed for chewing, but ripping and swallowing, certainly all the toothless cats i know eat all kinds of food without a hitch, including raw!
Well Ollie eats biscuits now since having his other teeth out, whereas he wouldn't touch them before when he had teeth to eat them- just goes to show they dont really need their teeth to eat ;D
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Clapton eats biscuits when he is in the mood :evillaugh: - he manages cooked chicken, steak etc as well although I do cut it up quite small as I don't want to risk him choking. He likes it if I shred meat rather than cut it.
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I have had numerous cats without teeth, and all have been able to eat everything, including raw meat (although i had to cut it into small chunks for Ginger). My neighbour was surprised at Sam eating biscuits cos he has no teeth, but he doesnt' let anything stop him, and prefers his wet with a bit of dry on it. Interestingly, I have two cats here with gum issues, one with teeth, one with no teeth, and the only one I have to mash food up for is the one with teeth. Unfortunately, it hasn't stopped Sam's red gums, but you can only tell when you open his mouth, you wouldnt know otherwise.
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The other great thing is I don't have to wash my hands when Clapton gives me a wash thesedays - which is any time I go near him. Clapton loves washing my hands and face :evillaugh: He also manages to keep himself clean. The only big problem he has is his claws. I bought some clippers with a guard but he is terrified so it looks like another home visit to get them done :tired: :evillaugh:
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Thats it, when Ollie's mouth is fine he looks like a really gorgeous cat, his fur is nice and smooth and shiney. When he's not so well he does look in a sorry state :(
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Had Ollie back to the vets today, he's got the infection again :( on the plus side he may be having the rest of his teeth out in 2 weeks ;D
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Poor Ollie :(
hope that the dental sorts things out for him xx :hug:
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Fingers crossed for the dental
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Me too :)
The vet said he was speaking to another vet and they said it's an option but they dont know if it would be any use, but it's worth a try :) anything has to be worth a try :Luv2:
The meds arnt working for him so something else has to be done, he cant keep going to the vets every 2 weeks for a steriod jab- sooner or later its going to take effect somewhere else in his body :scared:
So the plan is to get rid of the infection then maybe put him back on the steriod tablets (not the ovarid) for a week or so and then if they have no effect his teeth will be coming out. Its the infection thats making the tablets not work and I dont know why he's had the infection for so long this time, its been around 4 months on and off :Crazy:
Its also not as simple as just taking his teeth out and thats going to work, as we found last year the bad skin and swelling is right down his throat not just in his mouth :(
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Ollie's going back to the vets tomorrow to see when/ if we can book him in for the dental. The vet is now concerned as he's found a growth under his tounge :(
Hopefully he can get the rest of his teeth out and the lump is not what it's worried to be :)
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Hopefully that will be the end of it - Clapton was a different cat after he had his last ones out :hug:
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that will be the end of it -
It possibly will be Mark, if the growth has not reacted to the steriods the vet is unsure about doing the op :( so I just have to hope and pray that its not what the vet thinks it is :shy:
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Ollie is doing well, the growth was caused by the infection, so nothing to worry about :) He's getting booked in for his op next week ;D
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Good news. I am sure once his teeth are out, he will be pain free and a lot healthier :hug:
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:) that's good news! I do hope that the dental helps Ollie as much as it did my Schui :hug:
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Glad to hear this.
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he will be pain free and a lot healthier :hug:
Thats it, the vet doesn't know if removing them will make a difference, but it's something that has to be tried :shy:
It's plasmacytic stomatitis Ollie has, is this what Clapton and Schui had?
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There is a good chance he will though CC - Sam did still get ulcers, but his was likely calici related. They didn't bother him though, he ate better than when he had all his teeth.
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http://www.veterinarydental.com/veterinarians/flps.php
That looks Like Ollie's mouth, :( although it's not at the front, thats why the vet is unsure it will do anything having is teeth out. Maybe he just doesn't want to get my hopes up :shy:
Oh yes Des, Ollie never ate a biscuit untill he had his back teeth out :)
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Taken from that site...
Surgical tooth extraction is often necessary to alleviate the pain FLPS cats experience. The rationale for this treatment is that the teeth harbor the plaque bacteria. By removing the teeth we are removing the plaque bacteria. However, even this treatment only addresses the symptoms -- not the cause. We may suggest extracting the cheek teeth (premolars and molars) first, to see how effective this is in controlling the inflammation. A cat's appearance changes very little with this procedure, because the front teeth (canines and incisors) remain in place. Eventually all teeth may need extraction. As veterinary dentists, we do not like suggesting this option, but sometimes the welfare of the patient necessitates it. Again, it is very important that all tooth substance is removed, since any fragments left behind can be a cause for treatment failure. Dental X-rays will confirm that this has been accomplished. Typically, once a cat has recovered from the surgery, he is able to eat remarkably well.
Which sounds very much like Ollie's case.
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They didn't give Clapton's problem a name but it really sounds like the same thing.
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It's plasmacytic stomatitis Ollie has, is this what Clapton and Schui had?
Yes exactly, Schui's was where the immune system attacks itself, before we adopted him he was found with his mouth like raw liver - was how CP described, and he couldn't eat or groom his fur was covered in matts. They had some teeth removed but when we adopted him his mouth was still constantly bad and we tried everything including me scraping the tartar off every day :sick:, in fact the vet said she was surprised he wasn't FIV. Anyway asw a last resort the vet removed all his teeth and his mouth gradually improved and he was so much better after, the vet was really pleased because as you say it doesn't always help totally. He was also on steroids though for nasal problems so whether that helped too I don't know. If I'd have known the improvement I'd have had his teeth removed sooner.
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Oh that sounds good, Im getting excited now as I know Schui and Clapton have lived to a healthy age, Ollie will be 6 next month and I really couldn't bear to loose him at such a young age :(
Mark, Ollie's was found out by a biopsy that was done when he had his other teeth out, if it wasn't Im sure it would still be unknown till this day :Crazy:
It's starting to look promising, I hope it works :)
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My gut feeling is it will :hug:
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I dont understand with conditions like this why they woudlnt want to remove all the teeth in one go, cats cope really well with no teeth, and it is much better for them than going through 2+ dentals and anaesthetics (I had that with Ginger, he ended up with 3 dentals cos they would only take out a few, and they wnated to leave 2 in on his last dental, so I kicked off, he was 13 by that point and overweight, I didn't want him going back in another years time).
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I have posted about this several times but Clapton went through 4 dentals in about 2 years. The last time, the vet planned on taking 2 out, leaving him with 2 teeth. I told the vet that I wanted them all out as 2 teeth are probably a hindrance more than anything. The vet said healthy teeth are more difficult to extract and can cause jaw damage. I said that if I was back in 6 months with a poorly cat, I wouldn't be happy. He said he would see what he could do. He ended up taking them all out. I'm sure Clapton had a sore mouth for a few days, although he did have Metacam but that was the last tooth pain he ever had to endure. I think it was the best thing we ever did for him. I a still convinced years of infection is what caused Clapton's CRF
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:hug: i hope it works cc
Iv seen mouths like that picture get better so it does happen, i hope ollie is one of them
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Ollie's going to the vets today to get booked in for his op next week. He's been doing really well since the last time, no infection anymore :Luv2:
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oooh fingers crossed for him xx :hug:
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He's booked in for next Wed ;D
Another thing.....I am going to ask if I can keep his teeth- is that a bit creepy? :evillaugh: thing is I got this little trinket box (I got it for the xmas auction) it's got a little black cat on it, and when it arrived I couldn't bear to part with it as the cat looks so much like Ollie. Never really had any use for it but to put his teeth in it would be purrfect :Luv2:
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Good luck :wow:
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I hope it goes wedll for Ollie :hug: :hug:
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Hope the op makes things loads better for Ollie's mouth. :hug:
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Keeping everything crossed for ya hun :hug: :hug:
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:thanks: everyone :)
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Hope Ollie is doing well. :hug:
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Yes he is, amazingly ;D cant wait for next week, really hoping it helps him out a lot, not expecting a cure just not to have to visit the vets every 4 weeks :tired:
He's been going to the vets every 4 weeks since being 6 months old, the longest being 5 weeks, the poor little begger :shy:
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Good luck for Wed
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Good luck for Wed
Ditto. :) :hug:
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:luck: Ollie ;D
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Thank you :)
He's doing very well, the infection seems to have gone (first time since xmas) and he's looking lovely. ;D
Feel a bit awful now to be putting him through it as he's doing so well at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before he's ill again if I dont :shy:
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Will be keeping him in my thoughts today CC
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Hope that all goes really well, hugs to Ollie :hug:
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Best of luck for today honey xxxxxx
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Good luck Ollie Bonga. :)
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He's done!!!!!!! Vet said he's waking up nicely :)
Got to keep his teeth aswell, so Im well pleased ;D ;D
Now lets wait for the miricle to happen..........................
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Now lets wait for the miricle to happen..........................
Hope it does CC :hug: :hug:
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:) aww bless him, I'm keeping my fingers tightly crossed for him xx
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Home now his mouth is a little bloody but he's ok and had his dinner within 2 minutes of getting out of the carrier :evillaugh: :Luv:
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that's good to hear :hug:
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Bless him - he must be hungry after no breakfast and no lunch! :Luv2:
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Wonderful and do hope that his mouth heals up fine and all his problems are gone :hug: :hug:
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How come they didn't take his teeth out CC, what have they done instead?
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How come they didn't take his teeth out CC, what have they done instead?
I think CC meant that she's keeping the teeth
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How's Ollie doing this morning hun? :hug: :Luv2:
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He's doing really well, eating biscuits and everything, he's just Ollie without the teeth ;D He does look a bit odd tho as you could see his fangs when his mouth was closed, they used to pop out (the reason for me wanting to keep them I think :shy: ) and now he just looks gummy :Luv2:
They also look very little in the mouth but they are massive really, the fangs are about 3cm long :shocked:
He's got a check up tomorrow but I know he's ok really, within 20 mins of coming home he was out the back rolling round with his catnip fishy, he knows where he wants to be and I wouldn't have it any other way :Luv: :Luv:
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Aw bless him, sounds like he's doing just fine to me :hug: :Luv2: :Luv:
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Good to hear he's doing so well :hug:
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So glad he's ok xx
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;D I'm so pleased, he sounds like he's doing great :hug:
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This sounds great ;D
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Ollie's response to the vet.....
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Ollie
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Glad to hear he is doing well.
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Glad he's doing well. :)
I'm sure he will be a lot better. Clapton doesn't have "cat breath" at all now :)
His tongue also used to hang out at the beginning but it doesn't any more. I guess their jaw adjusts over time.
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Gosh he got over it quick CC :wow:. Well done that little man :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:. I have everything crossed that this is the start of a new" less vet visiting" life for the two of you :hug:
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Oh Mark I smelt the teeth and they smelt like his breath :sick:
His glands were very swollen yesterday, felt them this morning and they are totally gone, over night ;D
Going to the vets soon just for a post op check I think oh and to pay the bill :scared: :evillaugh:
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My "Ollie" tattoo, I never realised Ollie had green eyes untill after I got this, they always looked amber to me
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awwwwwwww just look at little Ollie's face and his tongue :Luv2: :Luv2: bless him!!
when Schui had all his teeth removed his tongue hung out for a good few months, we called him spammy 'cos it looked like pink spam :evillaugh: hasn't Ollie always poked his tongue out though?
the vet said it's because they aren't used to nothing there so it flops out and like right/left-handed people it sometimes goes to one side in particular.
Good luck at the vets today :hug:
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when Schui had all his teeth removed his tongue hung out for a good few months, we called him spammy 'cos it looked like pink spam :evillaugh:
LOL! my Sam's tongue has always stuck out and I call him Spam or Spammy too :evillaugh:
Ollie's looking good! :Luv2:
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How did the vet vist go CC?
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Good :) they done a biopsy too to find out what the swelling in his throat is and it's inflamation due to the infection, so it's not cancer causing his problems ;D
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That's great news hun :hug: :hug:
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:) I'm really pleased to hear that :hug:
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Glad its all going well ;D :hug:
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Excellent news, CC. ;D
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Glad things are going so well for him
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:thanks: all
Ollie even ate, for the first time in his 6 years of life, temptations treats :shocked: :Luv:
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:thanks: all
Ollie even ate, for the first time in his 6 years of life, temptations treats :shocked: :Luv:
:yayyy: Great stuff!
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:Luv2: I am lovig the photos of Ollie....and your tattoo! ;D Im glad the little fella is healing well! :Luv2:
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:thanks: all
Ollie even ate, for the first time in his 6 years of life, temptations treats :shocked: :Luv:
;D great news
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just catching up, glad he is doing so well!
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:thanks: everyone :hug:
He's doing well, got the infection back tho and is on some anti-b's. Have to take him back next Tuesday :shy:
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Poor boy and hope the infection goes easily and does not return :hug: :hug:
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oh dear, hope that it clears up soon :hug:
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Fingers crossed the ab's work quickly - which ones was he given?
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Ollie seems to be doing well, the green has gone from his mouth since his last steriod jab, have to go back on wed for a check up :) (Im thinking of pitching a tent outside of the vets :evillaugh: )
Sorry Des, I will go have a look at which tablets he got and post back later :) The anti-b jab he got was Cornia (sp?)
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:) I'm so pleased to hear this and keeping fingers crossed for Ollie xx
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The anti-b jab he got was Cornia (sp?)
Was it Convenia?
That is the one last lasts 2 weeks.
Glad he seems better. :)
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Yes I think so Mark :)
thanks everyone :hug:
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Glad he is doing better - I have never found Convenia that good for mouths, although it is mainly for soft tissue infections and abscesses, so maybe more effective for Ollie
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Ollie is doing well, when he went last week there was no swelling and I could see down the back of his throat ;D was still red but it's still early days, he is also keeping the infection at bay, I hope he continues to get better :Luv2:
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thats great and long may this continue :hug: :hug:
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thats good news :hug: xx
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Glad things are still going well
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Well done Ollie :)
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Ollie is doing well in himself, eating playing, but he is loosing weight, over this past month he has went from 4.5kg to 4.3, then 2 weeks ago he was at 4.1 and last week 4kg. Its also starting to look noticeable on him and I can feel his spine more :( He is more hungry than ever but still losing weight. I have started giving him kitten food so he gets more callories and also full fat milk, he loves his milk :Luv2:
I dont know why he could be loosing weight and am thinking is it because he's not getting as much as he's not got any teeth to chew it?
Anyone know of a high callorie food I could give him to boost him up a bit?
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HAve you spoken to the vet about it CC? Hills a/d is good for boosting cats weight - do you know he can definitely tolerate proper milk? Never had a toothless cat lose weight cos of their teeth (and have had a few toothless/cats with only a couple of teeth, although most have struggled with dry, as they keep dropping it, and as it is wet, it sticks to the bowl). I would try and feed him in one room to make sure he is eating all his food (just in case he is walking away and the others are pinching it), and if not, get full bloods done.
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Yes I was at the vets earlier this week and said to the vet he's loosing weight, he always get weighed at the vets just for records, but she is not Ollie's usuall vet so she doesn't really know whats going on with Ollie :shy: She said it's only a 150g loss so not dramatic but when you look over the month it adds upto more, and he's still eating wet and dry food.
This has only been since his dental so thats why I was wondering could it be because of that? although I haven't given him any different food before or after his teeth have been taken out, it's always stayed the same :shify:
I will have to wait untill his normal vet is back and have a word with him about it, but this has been going on since Ollie has been 6 months old, he's 6 now, and I suppose I cant really expect him to last forever can I :(
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:-: that is strange
Has Ollie had bloods to check his thyroid recently?
I doubt having no teeth with do this in fact I'd say the reverse - if his mouth is better although if it's happened since the dental then it points to something related.
Is he more active since his dental that would account for this?
Was he on steroids before and now not because they could have caused weight gain.
Hope you find out what it is or it settles down :hug:
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It's practically unheard of for a 6yo to have a thyroid condition Jane, that's why I didn't mention it.
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Yep I know - I thought he was older than 6.
Can still happen though but rare.
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This is what Im not getting, he's fine in himself even out the back scooting around last night, playing with the da bird the night before, but he's loosing weight :-: He is still on the steriods but his mouth is much better, I can actually see down his throat when I take him back to the vets 2 weeks later- usually it would be closed over and you cant even see the back of his throat!
He is eating more, he's wanting to be fed at least 4 times a day now, he wasn't that hungry before he had his teeth out but still wanted more than the rest because of the steriods.
I dont actually know if his bloods were done at the dental because the vet didn't think there was anything to worry about to do them, but they went ahead and done a biopsy on his tonsils again, so maybe they did do his bloods? I will have to phone and find out.
Maybe with him feeling a little better it's leading to increased activity and thats why the weight loss is there? He's still at a normal weight but has dropped from 4.5kg to 4kg in a month.
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IT could be cos he is playing more, but it definitely needs a vet opinion - I am surprised the vet didn't offer any suggestions, even if she wasn't his normal vet.
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I also think his poops are different, there normal but like a clay colour :-: Someone had pooped on the bathroom mat right behind the toilet, which would be very unlike Ollie! Could the change in colour be caused by the kitten food?
Am going to give the vets a ring today and see what they say.
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Gray or Clay-Colored Stool
Stool can be gray or clay-colored if it contains little or no bile. The pale color may signify a condition (biliary obstruction) where the flow of bile to the intestine is obstructed, such as, obstruction of bile duct from a tumor or stone.
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Going to feed them and watch the litter tray deposits.........
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His poops are a very light brown, as if he's got the runs but solid, not totally solid tho but poop shaped (sorry) :-[
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It sounds like it could be the change in food, my cat's alter depending what they've eaten.
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Someone is pooping in places they shouldn't be, yesterday was under the toilet, today one near the pc desk and one behind the cat tree! very unlike Ollie but it's that same kind of poop! I see him in the litter tray tho :-:
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Ollie weighed 4.05kg when I took him last week, the vet agreed he does look a bit skinny so have to take him back in 7-10 days :shy:
Other than that he's looking really well, the infection seems to be staying away and he's being his usual gannet self :Luv2:
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So pleased the infection is staying away and bet he eventually puts on weight ;D
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Glad to hear he's doing well, hopefully his weight will settle down :)
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Well Ollie's lost even more weight :( He weighed 4.05kg 2 weeks ago and now weighs 3.55kg. Have gotten a wromer off the vet to try that first but if that's not the problem will have to do blood tests. The vet did say it could possibly be the steriods as they can cause muscle wastage, he's looking rather skinny around his back end :(
Other than that he's just his normal self :-: :Luv2:
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Poor Ollie, def a good idea to do bloods just to check thyroid etc - hugs to him :hug:
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Big hugs to you and Ollie
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Good luck - I am surprised they didn't go straight for the bloods as it has been going on a while. When you get bloods done, i would try and get a urine sample at the same time.
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Well when he was getting booked in to have his teeth out the vet said he didn't think there was any need for bloods to be done, he said he would of ordered them if he thought they needed doing, to which I agreed as Ollie wasn't having these problems then :doh: The weight loss and skinnyness has only happened once his teeth have been taken out, although he's still eating the same if not more :-:
I asked about the kitten food and the vet (another vet not the usuall one) said she didn't think it was a good idea as it can cause an upset stomach because it may be too rich for him, which looking back maybe thats the reason he had unusual poops.
He went for his steriod jab last week and it's gotten rid of the slaver round his mouth, which is good as I did think he had an infection again! :)
So not much to do really other than keep an eye on his weight and if it's gone down more by the next time he goes, then bloods are going to be taken :shy: Im not getting it tho cos he doesn't feel like he's any lighter in body weight, just looks skinnier along his spine :Crazy:
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If the kitten food hasn't suited him much and he hasn't absorbed the nutrients it may have prevented any weight gain which might have eventually happened, fingers crossed that things will settle down now. Was Ollie on any different meds before the dental which may have made him heavier?
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I am really surprised the vets didn't want to do bloods before his dental with the meds he has been on oer the years. It might be worth getting a urine sample up in the meantime to rule out diabetes
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No Janey, he's been on medrone V for a while now but they were changed to the Ovarid about 2 weeks before his dental but now he's back on the medrone again.
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Ah right, well as he's been back on it a while doubt it can be that then, I hope you get to the bottom of this :hug:
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Ollie's not too well at the moment, he kept being sick last night and was genrally just hid under the bed :( I did give him some gourmet pate so dont know if thats not agreed with him. He's picked up a bit tonight, had some food, not hid under the bed and was playing with a feather :Luv2: He's going in tomorrow for his bloods to be taken, better off to find out whats going on with him I think than to not know and be worried :shy:
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No bloods were taken, the vet thinks he's looking well and said his mouth is better than he's seen before, althought obviously still not normal. He's also put on weight, he now weighs 3.80, so have to take him back next week to reasess.
Vet said he didn't want to put him through taking bloods as there are no clinical signs of anything, so they wouldn't know what exactly to ask for when the blood was checked :shy:
Ollie's doing fine now, was all over me wanting his food this morning :Luv2: I think it may of been the pate thats upset him :doh:
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Glad to hear he seems better and fingers crossed that he's starting to pick now :hug:
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Ollie is doing much better, he hasn't needed to go to the vets in over 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last time we were there was the 27th november ;D He's also only having his steriods about 3 times a week, still have to do one a day if his glands swell but overall he's been doing grand, no nasty after christmas infections either ;D
Think he may of put some weight back on aswell :) Taking him to the vets this week for a check up but at the moment he's his lovely black velvety self :Luv2:
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This is such a lovely update to read ;D :Luv2: ;D :Luv:
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That is wonderful news and so lovely for some good news ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D Nuff said!
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that is good news :hug:
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great news cc!
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:thanks: everyone :)
He's doing well but going to vets for a re-jab this week as he's starting to get a bit sloppy, but not had one since november so thats really good, taking him to the vets every 3 months I can cope with :) he's also back upto 4kg now so thats a good thing :)
Poor lad nearly 7 years of constant vet visits and treatments, its about time he started having a good life :)
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:thanks: everyone :)
He's doing well but going to vets for a re-jab this week as he's starting to get a bit sloppy, but not had one since november so thats really good, taking him to the vets every 3 months I can cope with :) he's also back upto 4kg now so thats a good thing :)
Poor lad nearly 7 years of constant vet visits and treatments, its about time he started having a good life :)
So glad he is doing well, long may it continue :hug: :hug:
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:Luv2: that's lovely news sending snuggles for Ollie :hug:
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Glad he's doing so much better! :hug:
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