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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Tiggy's Mum on March 24, 2010, 20:16:33 PM
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Saw this on another site...
http://www.pinter75.com/catcam/
The camera has night vision so you can see the babies all the time :Luv2:
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Kittens may be cute but owner has to be lowest of low; shes bred her cat and now apparently fundraising for CP, what other jokes does she tell.
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It does say that they are getting her spayed as soon as her milk dries up
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Sorry Helen it just looks to me as if shes taking advantage; I know if someone wanted to fundraise in that manner for me I would insist on it being written thay I did not hold with allowing cats to have a litter, I wonder if CP are aware of this.
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Well, call me fickle but I was just enjoying watching the kittens :shy: Of course in an ideal world there would be no unwanted litters, or any cats come to that, but that doesn't stop me admiring the gorgeous-ness of such beautiful tiny kittens :Luv2:
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Well, call me fickle but I was just enjoying watching the kittens :shy: Of course in an ideal world there would be no unwanted litters, or any cats come to that, but that doesn't stop me admiring the gorgeous-ness of such beautiful tiny kittens :Luv2:
Wasnt getting at you Helen :hug: guess I see a few too many; they are beautiful though.
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Oh, I know :hug: :hug:
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I am very suspicious - what is the % I wonder. If I wasn't at college tomorrow, I would be phoning CP head office. CP is about neutering and it gives out the totally wrong message.
The kittens are cute though :Luv2:
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hmm well i loved it....
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I admit the kittens are cute but they are collecting money for themselves under the guise of it going to charity.
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yes i know....is it really a scam? :( its a bit 'public'..?? maybe they are donating? or am i just naive?! :shocked:
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I am not saying this is a scam but my gut instinct tells me it could well be.
People need to be very careful who they give money to as sadly the internet is responsible for the birth of many fraudsters particular so called animal lovers. Anyone can set up websites with fake pics begging money, any back street breeder could film her new born kittens and make up a story; better still some so called rescues pull scams too, be very careful all.
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Hi,
I am the creator of the Poppy "Poo" cat cam.
I need to clear up a few things.
1). This is 100% not a commercial site - it is for fun and happened by accident. When poppy gave birth, we set up a camera so we can monitor her from downstairs on the TV. Some of our friends thought it would be awesome if they could watch too. I add a webcam and started streaming the feed over the net. As with most things on the interweb, word travels fast!
Before long we had hundreds, then thousands of people visiting. I am a designer by trade, so a little effort into making the site look ok.
Currently we get over 2000 hits a day.
As for the donations, we would like to have more cameras documenting their growing up and this requires a bit of money. We decided to ask for donations to help with getting more gear and cover our slight overheads.
All the rest goes to our local cats Protection League. I am going to contact our local office to try and get some kind of affirmation that this is not a scam on the site.
It is not a quirky viral marketing site run by some large agency, just me and my wonderful girlfriend running this from home.
We are amazed at how much traction it is getting over the days since it went live!
As for neutering, she was booked in over the new year. We had a lot of snow and being remote were completely stranded. Nature took it's course and she got pregnant. She only had a small litter and they are probably all from the same tom. She is definitely getting neutered when her milk dries up.
We don't need to get donations for neutering, we have that covered already. Our other 2 cats are neutered/spayed so I don't think we are being irresponsible.
They will all go to good homes, we don't have a problem with over population or strays here.
People love kittens!
So there you have it, we just like to share the experience of having kittens in a nest somewhere in the house.
Enjoy the live feeds, they will be moving to their playpen soon, and that is when the fun really starts!
Poppy's owner.
"Kittens may be cute but owner has to be lowest of low; shes bred her cat and now apparently fundraising for CP, what other jokes does she tell."
We didn't intentionally breed her.
"I admit the kittens are cute but they are collecting money for themselves under the guise of it going to charity."
Unfounded and false.
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"As for the donations, we would like to have more cameras documenting their growing up and this requires a bit of money. We decided to ask for donations to help with getting more gear and cover our slight overheads.
Why not just use the camera you have and give *all* the donated money to the CPL rather than people donating money to you when a large chunk of it is going to go on funding camera equipment????
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I know rescues who do this .. only it's puppies not kittens. They have donate buttons on their sites. They do not spend any of the money on getting "extra gear" or "covering overheads". They stick with one camera, which works perfectly well and all the donated money gets used on their rescue. If they did ever need anything extra it would come out of their own pockets. They also have a large stream of traffic.
Plus the UK has a large stray cat problem and is certainly over populated. Hence all the rescues FILLED with unwanted cats and kittens :'(
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Hi Pinter and Welcome to Purrs, I am really pleased that you have updated your Poppy cat cam today to show that the pregnancy was the result of an accident , I admit I took exception when I saw it as there are so many BSB`s about and contrary to your opinion there is a massive cat problem in this country,with cats and indeed kittens being PTS daily.
As I said in my earlier post I would like to see your cat cam carrying an endorsement from Cats Protection, it would also be good to show amounts raised daily and to know what percentage is being given to which CP in order to keep things above board.
Poppy and her brood are beautiful.
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Mod note.
Pinter75, I've just checked your webcam and your Facebook page. I note from the webcam page that you are selling two advertising spaces on your site as well as asking for donations to fund the webcam and site itself. I also see that you promise that 30% of all monies received will be donated to CP.
Is my understanding correct, please?
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Yes this is 100% correct. I am on the phone with the cats protection league as I type this to give some kind of affirmation to our fund raising.
We are not in this to make money for ourself s.
We did not create the facebook page, that was done by someone else not connected with us.
Edit: I have just got off the phone with the CPL fund raising team. We are working out the best way to handle donations.
Maybe the best way is to link to them for donations, rather then us collecting.
I can understand the queries about this being some kind of commercial setup. Maybe i should have not put so much effort into designing the site?
Steve.
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Can I just ask Pinter why you are only donating 30% of the money to the CPL and not all of it or the vast majority of it?
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Can I just ask Pinter why you are only donating 30% of the money to the CPL and not all of it or the vast majority of it?
That is going to change. Initially we needed to purchase a license to broadcast more than 2 cameras.
Traffic has gone through the roof with thousands of visits a day, and we did not expect this.
I will be making the required changes as soon as us and the CPL can sort out what we need to do.
Edit: A minimum of 50% will be donated. Things like bandwidth etc... need to be covered with such a throughput of traffic.
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You have kindly opened up Poppys life to us, hopefully now that you are here you will take time to read about some of the poor homeless cats and kittens currently being helped by myself and other rescuers.
I am not technically minded at all and dont understand about equipment needed but surely these kittens will be grown in no time, Is it therefore worth spending money on equipment.
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I can understand the queries about this being some kind of commercial setup. Maybe i should have not put so much effort into designing the site?
I work in marketing myself and it is the prospective sale of ad banners that caught my attention. I shall leave the link as you did not post it yourself, after all. No doubt our members will have more questions for you.
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I am not technically minded at all and dont understand about equipment needed but surely these kittens will be grown in no time, Is it therefore worth spending money on equipment.
That is what I was thinking as they are 1 week old today and I don't know how long Pinter intends to keep them before allowing them to go new owners but even if he keeps them until they are 14 weeks old that is only another 13 weeks which seems pointless to spend a lot of money on equipment for this short period of time.
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I can understand the queries about this being some kind of commercial setup. Maybe i should have not put so much effort into designing the site?
I work in marketing myself and it is the prospective sale of ad banners that caught my attention. I shall leave the link as you did not post it yourself, after all. No doubt our members will have more questions for you.
The space is not technically for sale in monetary terms, but decent donations of food, etc to the kittens and Poppy will get exposure in that area. There are no terms specified in that section, because it all depends on what is on offer.
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I am not technically minded at all and dont understand about equipment needed but surely these kittens will be grown in no time, Is it therefore worth spending money on equipment.
That is what I was thinking as they are 1 week old today and I don't know how long Pinter intends to keep them before allowing them to go new owners but even if he keeps them until they are 14 weeks old that is only another 13 weeks which seems pointless to spend a lot of money on equipment for this short period of time.
We are talking about 2 more webcams. As low as £5 at some major PC retailers. The main investment in gear is already here and working.
A license to broadcast more than 1 camera is good, but I can use other hosts etc and do this for free.
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I'm sorry, but I don't get this at all. Poppy is your pet cat, therefore any food/litter/toys for her and the kittens needs to come out of your own pocket. You should not ask for donations for this stuff.
If it's too expensive to keep running, then don't keep it up. I don't see why people should pay your Internet bill for you because you require more bandwith. I think things like bandwith/food/litter/cameras etc etc needs to come out of your pocket .. and people can donate to CPL if they like and all donations go to them.
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I'm sorry, but I don't get this at all. Poppy is your pet cat, therefore any food/litter/toys for her and the kittens needs to come out of your own pocket. You should not ask for donations for this stuff.
If it's too expensive to keep running, then don't keep it up. I don't see why people should pay your Internet bill for you because you require more bandwith. I think things like bandwith/food/litter/cameras etc etc needs to come out of your pocket .. and people can donate to CPL if they like and all donations go to them.
Wow, to be honest I have never come across so much hostility in one forum!
If people want to see it, why can they not donate to do so. If they want to donate direct to the CPL fine.
Any help would be appreciated. I am not asking that you donate, I am not asking that you pay to view - it is FREE. I have paid for everything, I do pay for her food and litter. I am paying to have her spayed.
I notice that this site has a donate button, why is that - can the owners not pay for it for all of you to use for free?
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I think the hostility is more about yet more unplanned kittens!
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Pinter you were unaware of the cat problem in this country, you will therefore be unaware of Back Streeet breeders selling sick and under aged kittens, also of the idiots making a fast buck selling pregnant cats,the internet helps all this happen and some idiot will spot your site and decide to make a fast buck doing the same,Sorry but I cannot condone what you are doing. Maybe donate your equipment to Cats Protection and allow them to show the poor cats/kittens who come into rescue.
May I ask for the name and number of person you spoke to at Cats Protection.
How to you show this income to Inland Revenue ?
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The money used from the donate button on this site goes to cat rescues. Just like money raised from the shop, auctions, competitions ... it all goes to rescue.
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I notice that this site has a donate button, why is that - can the owners not pay for it for all of you to use for free?
They do. All money raised by Purrs is donated to UK cat rescues. We also have a shop, the profits from which go to rescues as well.
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Wow, to be honest I have never come across so much hostility in one forum!
If people want to see it, why can they not donate to do so. If they want to donate direct to the CPL fine.
Any help would be appreciated. I am not asking that you donate, I am not asking that you pay to view - it is FREE. I have paid for everything, I do pay for her food and litter. I am paying to have her spayed.
What is so hard to understand with this.
I notice that this site has a donate button, why is that - can the owners not pay for it for all of you to use for free?
Mod Note:
Steve, thanks very much for trying to clarify. Others have already aswered the question relating our own fundraising so I won't repeat those.
I think the question here is, as a site/forum dedicated to rescue, we're all a bit challenged by your request for funds via your site, to help pay in part for running costs when the kittens themselves will only be with you for a short period before they are rehomed. Yes, people have a choice to donate funds to you. However, if it's free, then why not raise funds only for CP, why take any funds for yourself at all?
I hope you can see the side of rescue and the concern our members have.
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I think things are becoming too heated.
Here is the plan. 100% of donations will be given to the CPL.
We won't add any more cameras etc., I am removing all donation links until I talk to the CPL who are ringing me tomorrow.
Is this more amenable?
To date we have received only £32 in donations, I am refunding this to the people who donated, and they can choose to donate direct.
Also the cats all already have homes locally.
I spoke to a person at the head office fund raising team. If you phone them and tell them that someone contacted them about this, they will know.
Is this better?
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Yes, I can totally understand the problem areas.
I am addressing these now, luckily we have not spiralled out of control with donations at the moment. I am making some changes to the site and will post again when these are made.
Thanks for bringing this up.
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Ok,
I have updated all the pages regarding donations.
Now provides links direct to the CPL website, for all donation handling, we don't take any money, and the £32 has been refunded, and suggested the donations be made direct to CPL.
(http://www.pinter75.com/catcam/pprefunds.jpg)
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Steve,
Thanks very much for the updates. I think we all appreciate the effort you are making in this to support CP fully. The fact that you are arranging for Poppy to be spayed (and her falling pregnant is I am sure understandable to us all considering the circumstances) and are finding local homes for all the kittens demonstrates your desire to do well by Poppy and her babies.
Please do keep us updated on her progress.
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Steve,
Thanks very much for the updates. I think we all appreciate the effort you are making in this to support CP fully. The fact that you are arranging for Poppy to be spayed (and her falling pregnant is I am sure understandable to us all considering the circumstances) and are finding local homes for all the kittens demonstrates your desire to do well by Poppy and her babies.
Please do keep us updated on her progress.
Thanks!
yes we always strive to do our best with our cats. We have one other male and a female, both have been neutered/spayed. Just Poppy's turn in that list got delayed.
We are just thankful that she only had 3!
The kittens have all been fathered by the only tom in the neighbourhood that has not been neutered!
Hopefully after I have sorted out the best way to work with the CPL, I can place their endorsement on the fund raising.
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Thank you for your prompt response, Steve.
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Thank you for your prompt response, Steve.
That's ok. Feedback is important, and I can see the issues raised in hindsight.
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:-: hmmmmm
I pesonally love the idea of the kitten cam. I also know that people have choices. they can either donate or not....
thng is the kittens are here, they are warm fed and loved and will no doubt go to happy loving homes....
Ithink Pinter 75 just wanted to share the joy of this event with ohers. I didnt think it was meant to be any sort of a 'scam'. :shocked:
I can also appreciate how people can get upset about donations etc...many of the other big charities pay people a lot of money to run them as they are actually seen as 'business'
I dont think pinter75 had any intention of ripping people off.....just a genuine intent to bring a smile to peoples faces!
it certainly brought a smile to mine :shy:
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And to mine Purrdy - they are a lovely little family :Luv: thanks for sharing Steve
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Awww I love watching this, thanks for sharing :Luv2:
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Hi Pinter75 :welcome:
I just wondered if you knew if the Tom cat belongs to comeone locally or is a stray?
If he's a stray it might be worth contacting your local CP to have him trapped and neutered so that he not only doesn't father more kits, but also make his life more healthy and happy ;)
If he's owned, it might be worth mentioning the benefits of neutering to the owner ? CP can also help with financial costs if that's a worry to the owner.. of course you can never force someone to neuter their own pet, but they may just be unaware of the risks for an un-neutered Tom
Hope Poppy and the kits are doing well x
PS: From a technical point of view - does this kind of set up take a long time to maintain and stream and is it expensive? From a rescue point of view, we're always looking for ways to capture the public's imagination and increase our funds to pay for essential vet treatment and with kitten season looming, it may be something that we could consider for our own website (but only if it was cheap!!!)
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Out of interest Pinter how do you link the camera to the internet and how do you then link the camera feed to a website? (sorry if they are stupid questions but I'm not that great with computers lol)
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Hi,
I am getting a few questions about how to do this. I will word it in not technical terms ready...
1) You need a webcam - It can be a super quality one, or a cheap £5 PC World one. You really get what you pay for with these.
2). Optional If you want it so see in the dark, you need 2 things. First you have to modify the camera. Now this is not hard, All webcames come with an IR filter on the lens. You need to remove this. Some pop off, some you have to break up and remove. There are a few how-to explanations if you Google. You will also need an IR illuminator. This is just a light that we, nor the cats can see but the camera can (now we have removed the IR filter).
3). A computer connected to the Internet, on for the duration of the broadcast. A laptop etc is fine providing it is running XP or newer. Macs work too.
4). An account at a free streaming service, we use www.ustream.com. Follow their sign up, and then you can connect to your camera, and send the video feed to them. They handle all the large bandwidth - you are sending small amounts of data to them. Ustream then host the video feed and your viewers connect to them. A free account lets you run just 1 camera. Paid accounts let you have more cameras and higher resolutions.
You embed the video in your webpage, just as you would if you were embedding a Youtube video.
Just like this - tada :-)
http://www.ustream.tv/flash/live/1/3489811
If you need a hand doing this, then I am happy to help.
Steve.
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I've only just spotted this :)
I'm so pleased that all the earlier questions have been resolved, and that CP will be receiving the donations on this :)
Poppy and her babies are gorgeous, and its great that homes are already lined up for the little'uns :Luv2:
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I cant stop watching this, I loved it when Gracie had her Kittens, I want to set up a Ripley cam :Luv2:
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Hi,
I have just spoken to the CP, who will be linking back to the site on their facebook, and twitter pages hopefully next week.
We talked about getting their logo on the site, but that is a long drawn out usage affair, so for now it will just be text links.
Looks like we have just hit the USA, over 2000 views over night!
Steve.
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Thanks for the how to guide ;D I feel I may need to set up a camera in the kitten room for The Magnificent Seven at some point :evillaugh:
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Oh Poo Poo come back, your babies are lonely
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Love watching this and wonderful rasing money for CP too. ;D
What a great plan for cpl rehoming :wow: I wonder if some rescues could do this for little one they have to rehome? Would it help the hard to rehome babes?
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some already do Tan, i've seen it on one rspca site
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Coo thats great caus eyou tend to get more attched to a live vid feed than just a pic ;D
We have a Ustream account to do the Purrs draw with. It's easy to use and free ;D
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Coventry cat group kitten cam - coming to a PC near you soon (hopefully!).
Well , if its running sooner than later it will be pregnant cat cam first.....
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Ooh, how exciting ;D Could be a good way to help with fundraising if you spread the word and it takes off like the Poo-cam has ;D
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They are so very cute. Hope this raises lot of money!
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I've just been watching the view on camera no 2 - the way Poppy is lying it's a close up of one of the babies feeding :Luv:
Have just seen this on the 'interactive' bit - can't wait! :rofl:
Coming soon!
Hi!, I am busy designing some interactive
toys for when the kittens leave their nest!
You will be able to control these and play
with the kittens over the web.
So check back soon!
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Love watching this and wonderful rasing money for CP too. ;D
What a great plan for cpl rehoming :wow: I wonder if some rescues could do this for little one they have to rehome? Would it help the hard to rehome babes?
Yep, quite a few rescues do Tan, Adel CP used to and I really think it can help rehome cats 'cos it's next best thing to seeing them for real ;D
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We found at Adel that videos made a HUGE difference to people's reactions to the cats and helped re-home 2 of our semi feral cats as the adopter could see how they would play and interact when they were relaxed with their fosterer, rather than just seeing their fleeing behinds when people went to view them!
I've set up a Ustream account for Wharfevalley CP to hopefully follow our own Poppy and her 4 kittens.
Thanks so much to Pinter75 for the idea, it could prove really useful and a real way for members of the public to see what we do... how great would it be to have cameras for all the cats??!! Although getting a laptop in each pen might be a little difficult!