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Title: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 12:11:59 PM
And is it any good? It's a supposed appetite stimulant, and I think anything that does that would benefit Jack. Would be interested to hear peoples experiences.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 31, 2009, 13:07:47 PM
Sorry never heard of it
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 13:22:55 PM
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1372 (http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1372)

What do you all think? A gimmick or worth a try?
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Mark on August 31, 2009, 13:55:54 PM
I don't think its an appetite stimulant - just a calorie laden supplement?

I used to buy something called Wate-on when I was about 17 as I had a 27 inch waist and thought it would fill me out  :evillaugh: - It was gross. Probably strawberry flavoured lard  :sick:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Gillian Harvey on August 31, 2009, 14:01:49 PM
I used it when Gwynnie was so poorly and Sam when his appetite wasnt good, to provide extra calories/nutrition.  :)
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on August 31, 2009, 14:32:26 PM
I have only ever heard it used on the American forum, some people do swear by it though - depending on cost, it might be worth using a/d instead, or cat milk.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 14:57:24 PM
Desley, we've tried A/D and he's sporadically interested in cat milk. (worryingly)

Gillian, did it help your two? And Mark, even if all it does is pile on a bit of weight for him, I think that'd be an improvement for the poor lad. That supplement you had sounds rank! :sick:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on August 31, 2009, 16:56:10 PM
Cat milk helped Byron gain some weight and she couldn't get enough but she seems to have gone off it since we lost Schui
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 16:57:56 PM
He's also stopped meowing. He used to be a very chatty little man and now he isn't.....do you think it could be something wrong with his throat rather than his mouth?
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on August 31, 2009, 17:04:24 PM
hard to say really you should probably just mention to the vet but maybe he's just less hyper than he was and is feeling more chilled out, that is a good possibility and how meds made me feel and tbh it is much better feeling. 
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Mark on August 31, 2009, 17:36:39 PM
I think I might try some a/d on Willow and also the paste. I need to check the phosphorus content first - although I could add binders. she had lost 200g which a lot for a small cat. She was 2.6kg and now 2.4kg. She has barely eaten today. I just counted and she ate 5 Hill's biscuits and AFAIK, that is it all day. She did eat 1/2 pouch overnight and had some cooked mince and cooked pork before bed.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 17:45:32 PM
He's not chilled out Janey, he's zonked permanently. It's terrifying, but I have no idea if it's normal for a hyper-t cat.

Has anyone tried the (radioactive iodine) therapy for hyper-t?
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on August 31, 2009, 17:55:50 PM
He's not chilled out Janey, he's zonked permanently. It's terrifying, but I have no idea if it's normal for a hyper-t cat.

Has anyone tried the (radioactive iodine) therapy for hyper-t?

You know, I was very tired and totally opposite after I'd been taking meds a while, it isn't that long though since Jack started meds is it?  when does he have his bloods tested again?

Unfortunately only with humans - my aunty was also hypert. and she had the iodine and it worked well she is now on thyroxine though.

I was thinking of asking about it for Pep as I doubt he'd be candidate for op. although I do think my vet would have mentioned it to me.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 17:58:34 PM
Jack started his meds about two and a half weeks ago - nearly three. It worries me, because every now and  then I see slight improvements and get my hopes up only to have them crash down again when he slumps.

I'm going to call my vet tomorrow and ask about the radiation therapy. We aren't just coping with his hyper-t we've got his appetite issues too and we need to get on top of one to be able to focus on the other. I was hoping his appetite would improve, but no such luck.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Millys Mum on August 31, 2009, 19:39:46 PM
Would he cope being away from home? Thats what worries me about that option, the couple of weeks without being cuddled at a vets. Heard its very expensive too.
I hope the felimazole helps him, not every drug suits everyone so maybe he just needs to swap to get that under control.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Gillian Harvey on August 31, 2009, 19:48:39 PM
Would he cope being away from home? Thats what worries me about that option, the couple of weeks without being cuddled at a vets.

Yes I would be concerned about that option because of the time away - think its about 4 weeks isnt it? Depends on the cat I suppose. I can't understand why its so long here, because in the US I'm sure they can go home much sooner.

he's zonked permanently. It's terrifying, but I have no idea if it's normal for a hyper-t cat.



Sounds like the dose might need adjusting? may be that the thyroid levels have gone too low.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on August 31, 2009, 21:06:55 PM
Eugh, really? He'd have to stay at the vets a month? That's a no-go. He'd hate it and would probably suffer at least a couple of panic attacks.

Thanks Gillian - I'll mention how zonked he is and see what they say.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 01, 2009, 08:18:38 AM
I would see how the new meds go JS, it could be that what he is on hasn't reacted well to the first ones. My neighbour said there is a new place in the UK that does the radioactive therapy and they do only have to stay in a couple of weeks, but then they are housebound for a couple more weeks - I wouldnt consider it for Sam, it is either meds or the op for him, everytime you sit down he is on your knee, so even 2 weeks would be awful for him.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on September 01, 2009, 08:27:52 AM
Jack started his meds about two and a half weeks ago - nearly three. It worries me, because every now and  then I see slight improvements and get my hopes up only to have them crash down again when he slumps.



It is possible that his thyroid had gone down, Pep's T4 went down over 100 from <200 to 84 in 4wks
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on September 01, 2009, 11:00:21 AM
We're still waiting for his new meds to arrive. They should be here in the next couple of days.

With regards to the possibility of his thyroid going too low - should I maybe consider giving him one tablet a day and seeing if he feels a bit less bleurgh?
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on September 01, 2009, 11:22:45 AM
We're still waiting for his new meds to arrive. They should be here in the next couple of days.

With regards to the possibility of his thyroid going too low - should I maybe consider giving him one tablet a day and seeing if he feels a bit less bleurgh?

Well tbh I wouldn't alter thyroid meds without asking vet, reason because I presume they have a time over which they want to see how they are plus they have all the notes etc.  I never adjusted my own I left it for specialist to alter so I don't think I would my cat and if I was really worried then I'd get back onto vet and ask if could reduce it  but that's just my personal opinion  :shy:  It can be a pain I know, Pep's now on 2 a day and he's not taken his first one so far despite 2 attempts so I can see this is going to be fun!
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on September 01, 2009, 14:05:29 PM
The vet had to give me a prescription, Janey. He's fully aware of the situation.

In all honesty, this may all prove moot because Jack is so bad I honestly think he's letting go; and if I get given the advice I think I'm going to get today I may have to let go too.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Bazsmum on September 01, 2009, 14:09:01 PM
Thinking of you and Jack hun and sending some positive vibes for todays news~~~~~~Best of luck!  :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Baggy on September 01, 2009, 14:19:08 PM
We've got everything crossed for Jack and you :hug:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: JackSpratt on September 01, 2009, 14:30:42 PM
Thanks. My lift arrives in about quarter of an hour.

If the vet says syringe feeding daily for a couple of weeks will help him we'll try that. But I don't want to prolong the situation if Jack's really unhappy. He jumped off a chair I'd put him on earlier and basically collapsed.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Janeyk on September 01, 2009, 14:33:04 PM
The vet had to give me a prescription, Janey. He's fully aware of the situation.

In all honesty, this may all prove moot because Jack is so bad I honestly think he's letting go; and if I get given the advice I think I'm going to get today I may have to let go too.

Yep I know the vet has to give you a prescription to change the meds, it was the second part of the quote where you said should I possibly consider giving him one tablet a day? - was what I was referring to.

I really feel for you now and so sorry that Jack seems so poorly  :hug:



Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 01, 2009, 18:11:27 PM
Sadly Jack has passed to the Bridge today  :(

RIP Jack
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Janeyk on September 01, 2009, 18:19:18 PM
 :'(   so sad, I'm ever so sorry JS and am thinking of you  :hug:

God Bless Jack xx
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: ems on September 01, 2009, 18:35:04 PM
Am so sorry JS

RIP Jack, much loved furbabe

xxxx
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 01, 2009, 18:46:28 PM
Really shoked to reas this

RIP JACK xx

Sending you a ((hug)) JS
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Sootyca on September 01, 2009, 18:47:00 PM
Hope you are okay JS.   :hug:

RIP Jack.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Millys Mum on September 01, 2009, 18:56:16 PM
Sorry JS  :(  :hug:
RIP Jack
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: clarenmax on September 01, 2009, 19:06:03 PM
I'm so sorry hunnie  :hug: :hug: xxxx
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: sheryl on September 01, 2009, 19:41:22 PM
So so sorry JS - thinking of you Hun xxx

RIP Jack - play hard at the Bridge sweetie xxx
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Bazsmum on September 01, 2009, 20:07:03 PM
Oh JS Im so sorry for your loss!  :hug: :hug: :hug:

RIP Sweet Jack, Play hard at the Bridge sweetheart! x
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 01, 2009, 20:08:57 PM
OMG I can't believe it  :(

I am so sorry that gorgeous Jack has gone to the bridge ..... JS hun please accept me sincere condolences.  Jack was a very special boy and he knew how much you and OH loved him and he clearly loved your both in return.

Play hard at the Bridge little man .... much loved and already sorely missed xxxxx

Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: pappilon on September 01, 2009, 20:18:18 PM
Oh i am so sorry , thinking of you JS. :hug: :hug: x
RIP sweet Jack. :(
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: bonnielass on September 01, 2009, 20:49:35 PM
JS so sorry to hear about Jack, you must be in pieces ,im thinking of you both :hug:                                                                                  RIP Jack no more pain :Luv:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 01, 2009, 21:01:54 PM
Oh no, I hadnt expected to hear this news, I'm so sorry  :hug:  :hug: RIP Jack  :RIP:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Mark on September 01, 2009, 21:13:06 PM
Sorry JS - We do our best for them  :'(  :hug:

RIP Jack - no more feeling poorly.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: JackSpratt on September 01, 2009, 21:19:38 PM
I've started a thread for Jack in the Rainbow Bridge thread. He really was a special boy and I'm feeling completely shell shocked at the moment.
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Bazsmum on September 01, 2009, 21:24:42 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Gwen on September 02, 2009, 15:21:26 PM
So sorry to read this JS. RIP Jack :'(
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: Leanne on September 03, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
I've only just seen this thread I'm so sorry to read this news JS  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 03, 2009, 13:20:02 PM
I'm so very sorry about Jack, JS. RIP little man.   :hug:
Title: Re: Has anyone ever used Nutrical?......... RIP Jack
Post by: madkittyrescue on September 06, 2009, 11:14:45 AM
really sorry to hear about Jack JS.  I'm sure he's playing happily with Monday at the bridge. xx