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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Janeyk on August 04, 2009, 06:56:21 AM
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Going to ring the vet and see if I can get him booked in today, I had planned to book for 1 day this week because of his bad breath and his teeth look thick with tartar. Anyway last night before bed I went to give him a cuddle I noticed a drip of saliva hanging from his mouth with blood in so I'm thinking maybe he has a burst abcesss or some bad infection going on. :(
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Hope you get it sorted. We all know how much mouths can hurt :(
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Thanks, I'm sure it's hurting him because he's making funny mouth movements - especially when he eats and is pawing at his face poor thing.
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Fingers crossed teh vet can give him something, poor baby.
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poor little babe, star used to sort of grind her teeth after she yawned, it was like she was trying to get them back into place lol! she really hasn't looked back since having the four molars out though
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Best of luck with Pepper today :hug:
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Let us know how Pepper gets on :hug:
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thanks everyone, I've got the only appointment left - 6.50 tonight so fingers crossed she can do something for him although I've a feeling it will just be abs.
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star used to sort of grind her teeth after she yawned, it was like she was trying to get them back into place lol! she really hasn't looked back since having the four molars out though
Byron used to do that :evillaugh:
Dawn, I know what you mean all my cats have really benefited from their teeth being removed, it would be great if Pepper could have a dental
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Sending lots of good vibes for sweet Pepper, i hope they can do something to make him comfortable :hug: x
Phoebe had broken jaws and she always pawed or rubbed her face :( The vet said when they put the wires in her jaw it was badly done >:(
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Thanks Pav :hug:
oooh poor Phoebe :( I didn't know she'd had broken jaws
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Positive vibes for Pepper's vet apt tonight, lets hope they can help his poorly mouth out~~~~Best of luck! :wish: :Luv: :hug:
Oh I didnt know that I about Phoebe also! :hug:
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Sending lots of good wishes for Pepper :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed for Pepper :hug:
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The vet had a look in Pepper's mouth and said that his teeth need sorting and he has an especially bad tooth on the left which has pus and blood. She said he needs a dental but the thyroid levels must come down first and that could take between 1 - 3 months unless his teeth really start to bother him excessively. She said she actually prefers felimazole because she finds it stabilizes the thyroid quicker with Vidalta it can take a while to get the right level and felimazole only usually takes a couple of adjustments. (His notes from the other vet do say though that if this doesn't work in 1 month to put on felimazole). She said his back legs are also stiff and his kidneys borderline over but that could be because of his thyroid and also his heart was racing but no murmer, again the thyroid. So he has 1 wks antirobe and to go back for thyroid levels checking in 1 month. So fingers crossed he can have the dental soon because I know he'll be so much better for it. The vet thought he was lovely he was very good boy and she cuddled him for ages and he loved it :Luv:
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Poor pepper but so pleased you have a nice vet and hope the abs will help :hug: :hug:
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poor Pepper - I know how I would feel if I had a tooth with pus and blood in my mouth :sick:
hope his physical problems will be sorted soon - it's wonderful how happy he still is though - must be the result of being in a loving home ;D
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Hope the antirobe takes effect quickly JaneyK. Poor Pepper :care: :hug:
Thyroid probs do give misleading results for all manner of things and really confused me about Tom's real problems last year.
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She really is a great vet Gill I've know her years.
Trigger, I agree as soon as I saw the saliva last night I knew he needed seeing asap
You're right Rosella, the thyroid affects everything in the body so it has to be stabilzed
He's taken his tablet in some turkey I have cooked and he nearly choked on the noises he made he enjoyed it so much :evillaugh: I do cut everything up small or mash his food though but because he has a such a big appetite I think he just puts up with the discomfort, hopefully not for too long though :hug:
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Poor Pepper, hope the thyroid stabilizes soon and they can sort him out.
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thanks Jasmine :hug:
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Awww hope his thyroid levels stabilise soon, he would benefit so much from having this dental :hug:
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Fingers crossed the antirobe help lots, and that his thyroid levels come down enough to have his dental.
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He's taken his tablet in some turkey I have cooked and he nearly choked on the noises he made he enjoyed it so much :evillaugh: I do cut everything up small or mash his food though but because he has a such a big appetite I think he just puts up with the discomfort, hopefully not for too long though :hug:
Bless his heart :Luv: I hope he can quickly become stable enough for his treatment :hug:
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Fingers n Paws crossed here for Pepper XX :hug: :hug:
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thanks, he's being really good and taking all his meds, he loves food so much and his appetite is huge atm, he's had about 4 bowls of food since 6am and he also clears anything Byron leaves too :)
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thanks, he's being really good and taking all his meds, he loves food so much and his appetite is huge atm, he's had about 4 bowls of food since 6am and he also clears anything Byron leaves too :)
Hopefully as they are going down whole he will stabilse quickly, he will feel so much better without his manky teeth :hug:
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Isnt Pepper such a lovely man....All this must be so new to him and he is being such a gent about every situation he comes across! :Luv2:
Hoping the meds get to work quick on him! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Hope his thyroid gets stabilised soon and his mouth can get sorted, I expect the antirobe will help his mouth until then. :hug:
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Lots of love to Pepper ;D
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thanks everyone :hug:
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Ah hope that Pepper can be sorted soon Janey :hug:
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Thanks Ems :hug:
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thanks, he's being really good and taking all his meds, he loves food so much and his appetite is huge atm, he's had about 4 bowls of food since 6am and he also clears anything Byron leaves too :)
Aww bless him, its amazing how much they enjoy thier food :Luv: Is Pepper on Felimazole now or still on Vidalta?
I remember when i brought Jim home i couldnt believe that a tin cat with no teeth could eat so much :shocked: and he also made this funny noise like a little pigy when he ate his favourites i guess its the excitement of yummi food. :)
If Pepper is on Felimazole 5mg i have some here which i could send him.
Please give a gentle hug to Byron and Pepper. :hug: :hug:
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thanks, he's being really good and taking all his meds, he loves food so much and his appetite is huge atm, he's had about 4 bowls of food since 6am and he also clears anything Byron leaves too :)
Aww bless him, its amazing how much they enjoy thier food :Luv: Is Pepper on Felimazole now or still on Vidalta?
I remember when i brought Jim home i couldnt believe that a tin cat with no teeth could eat so much :shocked: and he also made this funny noise like a little pigy when he ate his favourites i guess its the excitement of yummi food. :)
If Pepper is on Felimazole 5mg i have some here which i could send him.
Please give a gentle hug to Byron and Pepper. :hug: :hug:
That's how he sounds Pav just like a little piggy in a trough :evillaugh:
He is still on Vidalta Pav, he'll be reviewed in 3 weeks, thanks very much though :hug: I think they are working well too because he feels to be getting fatter already and his coat is looking heathier.
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Fab news that his coat and weight are showing his obvious improvement...Here's wishing he continues to do as well! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Taking Pepper for thyroid bloods tomorrow morning, hopefully it will have come down, T4 was <200 (should be about 50) a month ago and he needs it to come down to have his dental.
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Fingers and toes crossed for a much better T4 reading tomorrow :hug: xx
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:crossed: That he is able to have his dental, best of luck for tomorrow! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed
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Thanks I am hoping, he has been a pain to pill and has missed a few or they have started to dissolve by the time I've managed to get them into him. On the whole though have managed most of them and he seems to have gained some weight and is eating a bit less now so fingers crossed.
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Vet is going to ring through the results after 4 today. His blood pressure and heart were fine and his weight has gone up from 2.95 to 3 kg so that is good. He was lapping up all the attention and being fussed :Luv: but we've only been in 10 mins and he's nearly got his little plaster off already :naughty:
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So glad his BP and heart are fine, putting on weight too! :wow:
Finger's crossed for his results later today Janey, Im so glad the gorgeous man is enjoying what life should be! ;) :Luv2: :hug:
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Awww bless him, glad his visit went well, and hope the results don't take too long to come through :Luv2:
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Just checking in but I see Janey's off-line at present (4pm). Will call back later to check on Pepper's results... :hug:
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:thanks: the vet rang and said Pep's T4 is down to 84 which is good from what it was but still not good, she is aiming between 30 and 50. She said we could change him to Felimazole which she prefers but after a bit of a discussion decided to stick to Vidalta as he is doing ok on that - just a bit of a pain to pill. I asked about the dental and she said that he needs bloods re-doing next month and once bloods are at the right level she wants him stable for a month or two before doing the dental. If need be he can have some more abs, so good news but still a bit of a wait :)
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Thats a good improvement and hope things continue well ;D
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That is really moving in the right direction :hug:
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It is :) thanks
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Great that his readings have come down, hopefully they'll reduce even more then stabilise before you know it :Luv2:
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I am glad things have come down well in such a short space of time, and fingers crossed they continue to come down - I am surprised at her wanting to delay the dental quite so long though, as if they are really bad, the bacteria wont be doing his body any good.
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Thanks,
Desley, I was a little surprised too but she obviously doesn't think he's still well enough to do the op. Although his teeth are bad the abs must have helped because his mouth isn't as smelly and he doesn't seem to be having any tummy problems atm so I'm guessing she's weighing one thing up against the other and will use abs until she thinks he's well enough to extract them.
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Sending You a :hug: Jayne and kisses on the top of the head for Pepper XXX
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So glad his no's are coming down, okay maybe not as fast as one had hoped but he is still heading in the right direction.... :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Yep thanks, I went to collect his meds the other day (cost a fortune :shocked:) and the vet has increased his Vidalta from 15mg to 20mg a day so she is trying to get it down quickly, fingers crossed for next month. I also bought a pill cutter/crusher to crush his fortekor and cut Istin and although the crusher is ok it doesn't cut the istin very well as it has to be cut into 8 :-:
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I remember only too well how hard Istin tabs are to cut into 8ths, even with a pill cutter.
Don't worry if the sizes aren't completely regular, as long as its roughly about right its fine :)
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yep, Lauren cut the ones she brought whilst at our house and some of hers were in a few bits too. I did wonder though whether there were better pill cutters but sounds like they are all they same. Crushing them is easy even with a fork but cutting them so small isn't! :)
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I hope he doesn't have any reaction to his Vidalta being increased
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Yes I'll be watching out for that when I start them tomorrow. He was a bit sick yesterday and today although has seemed fine on himself and eaten as normal.
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Hope the gorgeous Pepper goes from strength to strength.... Glad that today he has perked up.... A few of mine have had furball issues and have been sick lately (when do they get there winter coats/moult etc?) ;) :Luv2: :hug:
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me too, yes there has been fur in it and grass rather than food as such - that's why I've not been overly concerned :)
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Poot was sick the other day, piles of undigested food and bits of fur, yuck :sick: so figured he'd been trying to get up a furball as well.
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Yes, Blip had two enormous furballs last week, poor thing.
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awww, poor kitties :(
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Pep goes to the vets today for his thyroid bloods checking, it doesn't seem like a month has passed since his last one! He's been fine and taken all his meds, he feels heavier and his fur has improved so hopefully his bloods are near normal now so he can soon have that much needed dental.
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Crikey, it doesn't seem like a month!! Good luck!!
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Time certainly does fly!!!! Best of luck with the bloods today :hug:
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Thanks, we're back, his heart was fine and he's gained more weight up from 3kg to 3.19kg this time so vet was really pleased with him ;D Hopefully bloods will be good too she's going ring me about 4ish with results.
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I wasn't even thinking of checking on Pepper yet - is it really a month? Well, obviously it is :doh:
Hope the results are good later :hug:
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Thanks, we're back, his heart was fine and he's gained more weight up from 3kg to 3.19kg this time so vet was really pleased with him ;D Hopefully bloods will be good too she's going ring me about 4ish with results.
Excellent, all sounding positive so far ;D
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So glad the gorgeous Pepper is obviously flourishing in your care....Best of luck for his results later! :Luv2: :hug:
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Thank you :) the vet rang and his T4 has gone from 84 to 31! and previously it was <200 so we're really pleased, (vet was aiming between 30 and 50) ;D so she said it's perfect and he has to stay on the same dose of Vidalta 2 x 10mg. He can have his dental in about 3 months and he has to have antirobe about 2wks per month 'til then.
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Fantastic news, I'm so pleased that Pepper is doing so well, give him a gentle cuddle from me and Poot :Luv2: :Luv:
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Well done Pepper, he sounds like he is doing very well :hug: :hug:
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That will do for me :hug:
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Upwards and onwards, Pepper. :hug:
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Great news ;D
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I think it is time we had some proof of this improvement in his coat though ;)
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:thanks: everyone for wishing him well, a few photos - the last is him pulling his plaster off (which says no chew on :evillaugh:)
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wow, the improvement in his appearance is fantastic
he's a real credit to you - and who would guess looking at him that he is deaf and blind :wow:
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Wow :wow: He looks fantastic Janey :wow:
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This news is fantastic.....what an amazing improvement in both results and looks! :Luv2: :hug:
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Aww, I am really pleasad to hear this, although surprised at staying on the higher dose, does that not mean his levels will continue to go down at that rate? Shame it is still another 3 months till his dental though, but he is looking great
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oh Jane he is :Luv2: :Luv:
So glad he is doing so well xxx
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Thanks :hug:
Desley, I also wonder about it going too low and you know when you get off the phone and think oh damn I wish I'd asked x, y....anyway we'll see. Regarding the dental, she initially said we'll get him stable then do the dental - unless we have to. So, I think if his teeth were upsetting his tummy like Byron's were she would do it now, she must think the op is more risk to him still than his teeth are.
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Even when Max's thyroid levels went down, we still kept to the same dose as well, vet said she was happier with it being a little bit low, than possibly creeping up again by reducing the Vidalta.
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Even when Max's thyroid levels went down, we still kept to the same dose as well, vet said she was happier with it being a little bit low, than possibly creeping up again by reducing the Vidalta.
mmm, maybe that's the reasoning behind this Clare, thanks :)
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He's looking great :Luv: Excellent news that his levels have come down so well and he's gaining weight.
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He looks great and very cheeky ;D
Caught in the act on the last pic :rofl: :rofl:
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Jane, Pepper looks gorgeous (and happy) - a real credit to your care and loving home.
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:thanks: Baggy, Gill and Chris :hug:
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I still can't work out the reasoning in leaving it for 3 months though, just cos they aren't upsetting his tummy, there are still risks to organs by leaving dodgy teeth.
It would be interesting to see what your vet says about leaving him on such a high dose Jane, as my vet gave me a wishy washy answer when I asked about Sam - but to my mind, if they have come down so much on that dose, wont they keep reducing at that rate? I would have thought they would then need a maintenance dose rather than the same dose?
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I keep on about the dental Desley so I suppose she has good reasons as she has never hesitated removing my other older cats teeth, she removed Byrons at 22. Regarding the thyroid as I say I am baffled myself, I only know that for myself once the thyroid was stable then my dose was reduced gradually but if I remember rightly I was on the same dose until it started to get low and I saw the specialist after 3 months and it didn't get too low. Maybe once it gets to a certain point it doesn't fall that quickly and and maybe, as Clare says they suspect it would creep back up, they did with me and was going to put me on block and replace (which I think is both carbimazole and thyroxine) but they never did in the end and mine was ok. It certainly makes you wonder though if it has fallen so quickly in 1 month! I have to collect some Antirobe so will try and get to ask the vet about that ;)
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Just an update, I took Pepper to the vets for bloods doing this morning and the vet rang this aft. and said they weren't too bad, his liver and kidneys were a bit high but only to be expected given age and meds he's on so she's prepared to do his dental, I've booked him in for Friday. I'm really pleased because sure he'll feel so much better for it, obviously bit worried too though.
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Fabby news Janey! :wow:
Sending positive vibes for darling Pepper's dental on Friday.....Im sure he will be okay! :hug: :hug:
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time for a new photo, surely, of this special lad
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time for a new photo, surely, of this special lad
Agree! ;)
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Good news, and I'm sure all will be fine on Friday.
Now, about a new photo ...... :pic:
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Good news: Pepper will feel so much better afterwards :hug: I know how you'll fret while the op's being done, though :hug:
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Fingers crossed all goes smoothly on friday, he will feel so much better :hug:
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lots of good wishes for friday :hug:
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thanks alot your good wishes are very much appreciated :hug:
I can't see any recent photos of Pepper you've not already seen but I will take some and post :)
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Sending lots of good wishes and love to gorgeous Pepper. :hug: :hug:
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:luck: for Friday - he'll be like a new boy once it's done :)
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Sending lots of positive vibes for Pepper's dental on Friday and :hug: for you Janey
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:thanks: not long now, he can't eat from 7pm tomorrow :hug:
eta: we were just saying yesterday all the oldies we adopt end up having all their teeth out!
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Well it was a juggling act feeding Byron and not Pep this morning. We took him for 10.20 and he was a bit stressed but the vet gave him a pre-med whilst I was there which I was glad of because being deaf and blind he worries when he's moved around and manhandled so that worries me :scared:. Anyway she takes them through to the town to do the ops at 11 and brings them back at 4 but usually they ring around 2ish to let you know how they are. She said she's aiming to take the lot out but sometimes it's not possible for various reasons so fingers crossed.
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Let us know how it goes :hug:
And try not to worry (I acknowledge that this exhortation is pointless :hug:).
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Good luck today Janey :hug:
Clapton improved so much when he had his last 4 teeth out - I'm sure it will be the same for Pepper :hug:
Just make sure you have plenty of mushy things to begin with :evillaugh:
Clapton took a shine to the Sheba foil trays in jelly after his last dental as they are very soft.
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Best of luck for today Pepper :)
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Sending good vibes for Pepper and :hug: for you Janey. x
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thanks all :hug:
And try not to worry (I acknowledge that this exhortation is pointless :hug:).
I'm watching the clock and to go out soon and hope they ring before or I'll probably call them :scared:
Clapton improved so much when he had his last 4 teeth out - I'm sure it will be the same for Pepper :hug:
Just make sure you have plenty of mushy things to begin with :evillaugh:
Clapton took a shine to the Sheba foil trays in jelly after his last dental as they are very soft.
I agree, I asked the vet to remove them all if she could because Schui, and Byron were so much better afterwards, I have some pate type food for him later, which he loves :Luv:
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Thinking of handsome Pepper, and hoping that all went well at the vets! :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Hope all went well xxx
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I agree, I asked the vet to remove them all if she could because Schui, and Byron were so much better afterwards, I have some pate type food for him later, which he loves :Luv:
I know I mentioned it before but the last time, the vet planned on taking 2 out and leaving him with 2 :Crazy: - I said I wanted them all out but he said healthy teeth were more problematic to remove due to stronger roots. I said I understood his point but would not be happy if in a few months time, Clapton had a sore mouth again and had to go through it all again. He said he would see what he could do - they all came out :sneaky: - I really think Clapton's constant mouth problems are what caused his CRF.
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Just been to hairdressers I rang the vets before I went in but there was no news and asked them to ring me when there was but instead they left voice message on hubby's phone (he was in barbers) and said Pepper's had his operation, he's had 1 or 2 teeth taken out, he may be in a bit of discomfort but he's fine and to arrange to collect him from our local vets so we're picking him up at 4.30. He had some missing anyway but I hope they've taken out more than 1 or 2 :-:
I agree, I asked the vet to remove them all if she could because Schui, and Byron were so much better afterwards, I have some pate type food for him later, which he loves :Luv:
I know I mentioned it before but the last time, the vet planned on taking 2 out and leaving him with 2 :Crazy: - I said I wanted them all out but he said healthy teeth were more problematic to remove due to stronger roots. I said I understood his point but would not be happy if in a few months time, Clapton had a sore mouth again and had to go through it all again. He said he would see what he could do - they all came out sneakie - I really think Clapton's constant mouth problems are what caused his CRF.
I went through all this this morning with my vet and she said she hoped to take the lot out but either way some would def be coming out but some may be too difficult to remove and was explaining to me the probs, though some explanations are a bit difficult to take in.
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Lets hope thay have done everything necesary and also given him pain meds and some for you to give him if necessary.
Did they put him on a drip?
SEnding lots of healing vibes to Pepper :hug: :hug: :hug:
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;D He's home and was very fussy when he could smell my hand :Luv: the vet said he's been a real angel since the pre-med, no bother at all and been stretched out in the dogs cage :-: toasty warm. he's had numerous teeth removed - the ones he needed removing especially the molars. She could see I was disappointed they've not all be taken but said the ones remaining were ok and if she were to remove them he would have been under another 45 mins and that was too risky so I know she will have done what was best for him.
Thanks Gill, he's had intravenous abs and pain killers and he's on Synulox for a week but to take him in on Monday for a check up, any probs to ring them but should be fine just to keep him on soft food for a few days on keep him inside where he's warm. He was on a drip and got 2 legs with shaven bits now bless but he's had a little to eat and been all round the house to check everythings still here. :hug:
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:Luv2: I'm so pleased he's back home and behaving normally. I can feel your relief Janey :hug: :hug:
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She could see I was disappointed they've not all be taken but said the ones remaining were ok and if she were to remove them he would have been under another 45 mins and that was too risky so I know she will have done what was best for him.
She sounds good.
he's had a little to eat and been all round the house to check everythings still here. :hug:
I love the way they do that. Glad he's sailed through :hug:
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Ah bless him, glad he's back home and all went well today xx
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So glad all went well, Sounds like our old feral girl Miss Cissy - she had all bar 2 removed and they were scaled and polished - she was so sweet till the vet removed her from the heat pad to take the drip off then our old gal reminded them of the rough 15 years she had :shocked: - she is our old gummy! :Luv2:
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So pleased that Pepper is OK and has been exploring and the vet sounds great ;D
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So pleased things went so well for Pepper :hug:
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Fantastic that his op has gone well! So pleased that he has took this in his stride!!! :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug:
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Glad it all went well :hug:
Sometimes they have really manky mouths but the teeth are solid, gooey had am awful mouth but kept all his teeth, i was very surprised :shocked:
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thank you :) he seems absolutely fine today :)
Glad it all went well :hug:
Sometimes they have really manky mouths but the teeth are solid, gooey had am awful mouth but kept all his teeth, i was very surprised :shocked:
yep his mouth smells so much better but he did have a scale and polish too so that's probably all the others needed. I'll be having a look on Monday when the vet checks his mouth to see how many he has left :shify:
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So pleased it went so well Janey :) :hug:
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Glad everything went well.