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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Mark on August 02, 2009, 23:20:51 PM
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Clapton and Willow haven't eaten today and Willow has cysytitis again - with blood this time. :(
I have left out 1/2 pouch of RC wet with a cystease capsule and 1 drop of metacam in (I know it isn't good for CFR but don't want her in pain).
Just hoping tomorrow is another day but Clapton is beginning to look quite haggard :(
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oh dear :(
how old is Clapton Mark?
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I tried to give him some wet RC. He jumped off the bed and seemed to want it but sniffed it and got back on the bed. I then tried his favourite - Whiskas chicken in gravy and he did the same thing. I put the bowl on the bed and he started licking the gravy then yelped again and ran to the other side of the bed cowering. I went and washed my hands and then tried to look in his mouth. I got a quick look before he yaped again and ran away downstairs and is hiding in the undergrowth. I noticed there was a bit of blood on my hand so I phoned the vet. They know how vet visits nearly kill him so have said to keep an eye and they will come tomorrow - It sounds like an ulcer. I asked about Metacam and she said if he has had it before, it should be fine to give him one dose as long as he eats with it but not on its own. :(
Willow seems better in herself and had licked all the gravy last night with the cytease and 1 drop of metacam in. Again, will keep an eye on her and she can be seen tomorrow at the same time as Clapton. As it is, I never did get my brakes fixed and they were really grinding this morning so have to drop the car off at KwikFit at 11am who may or may not be able to fix it straight away but told me I can't drive until it has been looked at (which is a bummer as I was meant to meet a friend in Canterbury at 1pm :( )
If they can fix it, I will meet her (sorry to ramble)
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He is quite poorly now but I have decided not to post about my cats here any more and stick to just speaking to my vet.
oh dear :(
how old is Clapton Mark?
He is about 11. He has some kind of black mottling on his chin. He just doesn't look right and is terrified of me now :(
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He has some kind of black mottling on his chin. He just doesn't look right and is terrified of me now :(
Are you going to wait till the vet comes tomorrow Mark? or do you think he needs to be seen sooner? :hug: The mottling on the chin - could be feline acne perhaps?
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Hope that the vet visit goes well tomorrow, poor kitties give them a gentle hug from me :hug:
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Sending positive vibes to both Willow and Clapton Mark~~~~I do hope Clapton will be ok! :wish: :Luv: :hug:
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He has some kind of black mottling on his chin. He just doesn't look right and is terrified of me now :(
Are you going to wait till the vet comes tomorrow Mark? or do you think he needs to be seen sooner? :hug: The mottling on the chin - could be feline acne perhaps?
I wonder that. Unless he takes a turn for the worse, I will wait for the vet. He has limboed under a victorian chest. I have put a bowl of water under and hop that he drinks it. I am bad cop so am hoping OH as good cop can make him eat. I really
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Fingers crossed for tomorrow
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crawling out of sight when he is feeling poorly is I suppose a natural reaction, especially if he is peeved with his owner
fingers crossed the vet doesn't find anything much amiss tomorrow
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He had full bloods done 3 or 4 months ago and apart from his Phosphate levels being "concerning", he got the all-clear (apart from the CRF)
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Sending positive vibes Clapton & Willow's way :hug:
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The black stuff could be old saliva build up if theres anything up with his mouth, i hope hes ok :wish:
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Positive vibes xx :hug: :hug:
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He is lying down in a dirty litter tray now :'( - he has never done that. Iried to feed him some pork that is really tender and he usually loves but he just cowered :( - I have a feeling this is the beginning of the end :'(
OH said there is no way he is being given subQs so I don't know what to do.
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Poor Clapton :hug: Hope the vet can suggest something, IV fluids maybe :hug:
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I didn't know what subQs are Mark so googled and believe that is the way of administering the IV fluids? The info I came across suggests subQs can show very positive results and not sure why your OH is so dead against them. I know virtually nothing of this subject though so am not making any point just wondering aloud.
Do you think Clapton would be as freaked out as usual with vet visit in his current state? I know he has CRF problems on and off but can't tell whether he has gone badly downhill in past day or so or whether this has been a slower decline. I would be more tempted to arrange an emergency vet visit if this has come on fast. Sorry I really don't want to pile the pressure on. Have got an enormous soft spot for that boy :hug: and sending you all best of positive vibes. Oral doses of Metacam cause vomiting if given without food; not sure about injected Metacam.
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The vet should be here between 1 & 2pm tomorrow so unless Clapton crashes, I think it's best to wait. He was lying in the tray and had bits of litter suck around his mouth. He moved quick enough when I took the lid off and came flying down the stairs into the garden so he certainly isn't weak. OH has camped in the bedroom Clapton normally spends most of his time in. It is my job to catch him but OH doesn't understand that Clapton hates me right now.
Clapton is a nervouse wreck and he wouldn't stay still for SubQs - also OH hates the idea of him being injected - although we could look into a shunt (I think that is the term)
Lately he doesn't seem happy and I do wonder if keeping him going when he is so miserable is being selfish?
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he wasn't trying to eat the litter, was he, Mark? they can do that when they're anaemic
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Hope the vet can help him tomorrow. :hug:
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Schui sat in the litter tray when we had the joiner in and he and Byron were in the kitchen a few hours, he was ok but oddly did that as he never got in a bed nor sat on a duvet thingy, also Pepper was sat in the tray this morning when I went into the kitchen - sometimes I think it's a comfort when things are feeling a bit strange.
Hope there is improvement tomorrow :hug:
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he wasn't trying to eat the litter, was he, Mark? they can do that when they're anaemic
No it was just stuck to his chin where he is drooling a bit. He was downstairs behind the sofa for a while but when I pulled it ot, he went upstairs back to the tray again. I went to take the lid off and he flew upstairs. He has a bowl of water and some wet RCfood with extra water up there. I hope he just stays there. We need to be up at 5am so hopefully he will sleep between now and then. I can't deal with it all. Alice decided to go up toi the kitchen and bother him - she will find herself packed off sharpish if she bothers him again! >:(
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:hug: :hug: For you and Clapton.
Mark i do hope he feels better tomorrow.
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Lots of good wishes for Clapton :hug:
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He eventually went upstairs but I don't think he has had a drink or eaten anything. He was purring this morning and his nose was twitching when I put a bowl of watery wet RC on the bed (bedding can always be washed)
Any cat not drinking is bad but even more so for a CRF one :( - especially given how much he normally drinks.
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hope that the vet can make him feel much better today :hug:
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Best of luck today :hug: :hug:
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poor clapton, hope you can get him sorted
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He is still petrified of me for just gently opening his mouth. I just go upstairs and check on him once in a while but keeping well away from him :( - he is not a happy boy :(
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:hug: :hug: :hug: Lots of vibes for today
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The last time I went to check on him, he was back on the bed with his little head burrowed into a crease. He didn't run this time. I was gently stroking his head and whispering to him :shy: - he managed a barely noticable purr for me but I know he isn't right. I have a feeling the vet may want to take him to give him IV fluids. At least he can be sedated first.
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I AM REALLY ANGRY WITH THE VETS!
I phoned and asked what time James will be here and she said James works in the Deal branch on Tuesdays and Kirsty will be coming >:(
I have lost count of the times I have told them I don't want to deal with her as she frightened the life out of him the only time she came - she was holding him midair and he was peeing.
She said I could go to Deal if I really want to see James but that is over 20 miles away!
I made it clear that I am "making do" with Kirsty and I will keep a close eye on her. I also said I think I will need to look for a new vet!
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Let us know how it goes :hug:
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Hopefully she has learned from last time and will be much better around Clapton this time :hug:
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Lots of good vibes for Clapton.x
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Hope everything is gong ok with the vet visit. :hug:
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Thinking of you and your babes Mark, hope all will be okay! :wish: :Luv: :hug:
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Thanks
She rang about 10 minutes ago and I'm sure she said HE is on HIS way so possibly the owner is coming.
I keep a beady eye anyway :shify:
So we have the vet table set up. A seat cushion from a sofa with a towel over so is is nice & soft. I know when the door goes and I go upstairs to get him, he will have vanished.
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James came with a nurse - I didn't ask any questions.
Clapton put up such a fight and I have never seen him so terrified. The vet said his heart is racing and he was obviously in a lot of pain. He said from the outside, you can see Clapton's mouth is swollen. He tried to open Clapton's mouth a few times but said it was upsetting and hurting him too much - he wants Clapton in tomorrow morning to have a proper look under sedation but he said he has a feeling it is a growth :( - He said he will know for sure tomorrow but if there is one, he will take a biopsy but that mouth cancers are usually very aggressive and there isn't much they can do. He said I should know worse case as he doesn't have a good feeling although he would like to be wrong :'(
So he has taken a chance and give Clapton a Metacam and an Antibiotic jab.
:'(
I am trying to remain optimistic and have asked for his claws to be trimmed while he is sedated.
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Hope its not cancer Mark, hopefully it could be just an abcess? :hug:
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Oh Mark hun that news does not sound too positive but at the moment until anything has been tested etc it is all hearsay! :hug:
Positive healing vibes to darling Clappers~~~~~~I hope the given meds can help him out! :wish: :Luv: :hug:
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Is it possible for a cat with no teeth to get an absess?
I'm hoping it is something treatable but also think that the vet wouldn't have mentioned C if he didn't think there was a possibility? - its all so confusing. I know OH will phone soon to check so I will just say for now that he couldn't get a proper look. It's not fair for OH to face the journey home. He loves Clapton to bits. I might see if OH can clear his diary tomorrow and come with me.
James advised removing all food for now and just leave water out. He said if I reintroduce food tonight, there is a better chance he will eat than if the smell of food was around all the time.
I asked if Clapton was dehydrated. He said he is but not hugely so unlikely that he hasn't been drinking at all - he said he must have been having sneaky laps here & there :Luv2:
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try and stay calm Mark, when Amber cut her tongue they went on about doing a biopsy and cancer and I just asked to give it a week and pain relief to see if the tongue would heal up - it did
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...And remember CC's Ollie, they were sure he had cancer and even wanted to pts! :scared: If they could tell by just looking Mark they would not need tests! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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I am trying to zone out. Whatever happens I don't want him to suffer :'(
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my siamese once had a huge ulcer on her tongue, which stopped her eating completely
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If they could tell by just looking Mark they would not need tests! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Wise words Ruth - thanks :hug:
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I'm hoping it is something treatable but also think that the vet wouldn't have mentioned C if he didn't think there was a possibility?
Theres always a possibility of finding a tumour but theres every chance he could have a nasty infection, they say it to cover themselves i think.
When Lola went funny every vet i saw was going on about carcinoma, things can turn out ok :hug:
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Thinking of you :hug: :hug:
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He has a bit of a funny shaped chin anyway so it could be that. This was 5 years ago but may have been soon after his first dental.
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As the Queen of worrying recently, I can honestly say try not to worry :hug: :hug:
Wait to see what the vet says tomorrow once they have Clapton sedated, then see what you're dealing with.
I know its easier said than done :hug:
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I will try to chill but it is totally not in my nature anyway :evillaugh:
I will try to remain positive and focus on things like the fact that the vet asked if I am OK to hang around for a few hours.
I suppose there are worse ways to spend a Wednesday afternoon than at the seaside (the vet is a 3 minute walk from Herne Bay seafront)
Just to add that I had considered it being cancer since yesterday morning but didn't want to be premature with my amateur diagnosis.
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It would be nice if OH could do a re-shuffle then and be with you both! A nice relaxing stroll would do you both good Im sure! :hug: :hug:
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I think so - especially if we do have to say goodbye.
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Will be thinking of you both tomorrow :hug:
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Thanks :hug:
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:hug: :hug: to you Clapton and OH
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was clapton yours or oh mark, I can never remember
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Just to report before I have my nap that I went looking for Clapton and he was in his food area in the hallway :Luv2: - He ran into the kitchen and was hovering and started to hide until I went to the cat larder. He couldn't get to the bowl quick enough to have his RC with lots of water added :Luv2: - I know it is the metacam helping him but I'm sure he will feel better with a full belly and a nap :Luv2:
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was clapton yours or oh mark, I can never remember
Originally OHs but only for a few months before we met and that was 6 years ago. I am the one that feeds, medicates and does trays though! :evillaugh:
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having a full stomach will make him feel better I'm sure - sounds like oh will want to come with you
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:hug: Hope it is nothing so serious Mark, vets will always say the possible worst scenarios just in case. I hope that OH can come with you, I always get Steve to come with me if I'm unsure of the outcome. Tons of get well wishes heading Clapton's way xx
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sending lots of good wishes for clapton tomorrow and hope that there is nothing very serious wrong :hug:
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I know this is a bit rich coming from me, but do try to be positive and not to think the very worst. I was told Swampy had fibrosarcoma from a vet feeling a lump and he didn't, he just had a lump. It could just be an infection in Clapton's mouth and antibiotics will work and I hope so very much that it is. My vet once told me Swampy maybe had a cancerous lump in his mouth and he didn't - it was an infection from his horrible teeth.
Give my friend Clapton a big cuddle. He is so beautiful, that's the world's greatest moustache :hug:
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Fingers crossed the vet is wrong, and once he has had a proper look it is something treatable. I hope you can get him to eat a decent amount tonight, did the vet warn you about starving him for the sedation?
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He didn't mention it. Do they need to starve for sedation as well as GA?
btw - he is back in the litter tray :(
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They should do yes, as there is still the risk of being sick with the sedation. Might not need to be starved for as long though. Poor Clapton, his mouth is obviously why he has been looking unhappy, and I do hope it is just a nasty infection - Sam has mouth ulcers despite having no teeth at all, so maybe it is a nasty ulcer.
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Mark, Phoebe had to be sedated many times and i was always told not to feed her after midnight as for GA its after 8pm.
Hope is not too serious and they can treat him . :hug: x
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Don't you just love Metacam.
I can add my name to the list of those told by the vet that their cat had mouth cancer (Gandolf). He lasted another 3 years on ABs for mouth problem with pain meds on and off as required and died age 19. You are wise to say Ruth is wise Mark. I really don't know why vets feel forced to worry the life out of us by giving worse case scenario before tests are carried out. Having said that, I think I always ask what the worse case is :-[
Obviously sending all good wishes for Clapton for tomorrow :hug: but meanwhile am so happy that he has had pain relief :)
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Mark :hug: to you Dennis and the crew
Our Miss G had a tumour and vets said a couple of weeks she went a whole further 9 months - she was 18 and we gave her steroid injections on a weekly basis this kept her appatite going and she had a lot of liquidised food but had a happy lfe till she looked at us and then we knew
Lets hope its just an infection and the Clapton will be ok :hug:
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I know everyone else has said it, but try not to worry. When Jerry Maquire first came to me he had to have a lump removed from his mouth that was cancerous. That was probably three years ago and he has been fine ever since, no re-occurrence and the only sign he is slightly different is that his right top fang shows more than his other teeth.
Will have everything crossed for Clapton. :crossed:
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OH refuses to believe it is cancer. One of the problems is the vet said the Metacam jab was a one-off - so it's a case of quality of life. I trust James so will follow his lead.
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So sorry to hear about Clapton.
I hope that it's not the dreaded C.
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Just to say, hoping all goes well today Mark :hug:
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Thanks - He had a comfortable night :Luv2:
It was obviously mouth pain stopping him eating and there was no nausea as he ate for England last night. He also came down for a drink of water this morning. (even though he has a bowl in the bedroom)
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Best of luck at the vets today, hope all goes well :hug:
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Glad the Metacam helped him eat, and fingers crossed for today
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It was quicker than I expected. They have taken a biopsy and also a needle biopsy of fluid from his lymph as they are also swollen. He is shut in the bedroom ATM as he is trying to walk around and keeps falling over :( - I asked about pain relief and they said that he should be OK - he has been given a long-acting AB jab. I assume any pus has been cleaned out? - He has one stitch in his little mouth.
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poor baby, how long do you have to wait for results?
total aside but did I miss your exam results as well?
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Funnily enough - I just posted about them :evillaugh:. The result came in the post today but I had Clapton on my mind.
They didn't say about biopsy results and I forgot to ask (I remembered to ask for some Fortekor though!)
I'm hoping it will be a few days.
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awww, poor little love give Clapton a gentle cuddle from me Mark :hug:
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Sending lots of good vibes for Clapton. :hug:
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Mouth swellings can be all sorts of things. It took just under a week last year for me to get Minxy's biopsy results. She had a massive swelling appear very suddenly that covered the whole of the bottom of her mouth so she couldn't close her mouth which got all infected and I of course assumed the worst. 1 biopsy and full set of York allergy tests later it turned out she is allergic to maize! It took lots of steroid jabs and antibiotics to get rid of the swelling and infection as steroids reduce the swelling but also lower the immune system so infection takes better hold and the mouth is full of bacteria anyway but since her food was changed from RC to Arden Grange Sensitive and Applaws dry her mouth has been fine ever since ;D
Keeping my fingers crossed for you and Clapton that it's nothing too serious :hug:
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there is pain relief available to CRf cats. I was told there wasn't by one vet but another said not true. There's stuff like vetergesic and another one (begins with T, sorry I forget the name) which are used for arthritis pain. There is also steroid treatment which effectively masks pain.
I hope you get the results soon, I know how stressful it is waiting. Big purrs to Clapton and glad he is eating well :hug:
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Thanks Kate - I will look into it for future ref.
He is still dopey but not falling over any more. He keeps sitting in the litter tray though :(
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He's dopey, poor little chap :hug: I hope the results come through pdq :hug:
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Hopefully his sedation will wear off completely very soon. Millys biopsy took 4 days so hopefully you will know soon.
Vetergesic is a very strong drug, the side effects are not doable for everyday treatment imo and not sure it would be prescribed that way either. :shy:
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Aw bless him for being such a good boy and tucking into his food last night! :Luv2:
So glad all the vet tests are over for him and positive vibes being sent for good results~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Only just seen this Mark, sending lots of get well wishes for Clapton :hug: :hug:
Hope he is feeling much better this morning :Luv:
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How's Clapton doing today Mark :hug: :Luv2:
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He got under the kitchen units this morning and stayed there for ages. Its odd as he has't been in the kitchen for ages. I wonder if it is because he feels vulnerable in the bedroom now? or maybe too warm for him ATM- anyway, I went to sainsbury's and bought him lots of his favourites and for a day or 2, I am forgetting phosphorus etc and just giving him what he will eat and enjoy. One of the things I knew he wouldn't resist is single pouches of Whiskas adult in jelly :shify: - after refusing RC wet a couple of others, he gave into his fears and hoovered it up :Luv2:
He seems a lot better todaybut still looking for bolt-holes. He used to sleep in one of the kitchen cupboards which are the old built-in cupboards fropm when it was a doctor's surgery years ago. He tried to get in yesterday but it was full of junk. I have cleared a space for him and put a knitted blanket in there. Hopefully he can get some R&R in there :Luv2:
Just trying to take it one day at a time and keep him as happy as possible.
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Awww, glad he's had some food, that will surely make him feel a bit better today.
Definitely take one day at a time :hug:
Hope you dont have to wait too long for the biopsy results x
PS I'm posting the Renalzin to you today xx
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PS I'm posting the Renalzin to you today xx
Thanks Clare X :hug:
I am trying to get them both on it but Clapton is resisting. I can only get away with it with strong-tasting food with him. It is so much less hassle than measuring out Ipakitine powder.
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:hug: Glad to hear clapton has eaten some food and I bet he'll love being in his old favourite spot again.
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glad he is eating ok, good the hear the cupboard has a blankie - I should think so too!
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He is still sitting on the hard wood floor in the kitchen wedged between a litter tray and a wooden trunk :(
I want to clean the tray but that will only scare him so not sure what to do.
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Pod kept lying in his tray when he was off.
Bless :hug: :hug:
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I can se a poo in there but he is so nervous that he will bolt if I try to get it out. He does't need any more stress. I guess that tray will have to wait until he moves elsewhere. There is onl me here and I am immune to the smell (except Alice's :sick: :evillaugh: )
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Lay on the floor, dont look at him and exchange poo tray for a clean tray! ;)
Im sure he keeps bolting from you as he thinks you may take him to Mr Vet again! :( :hug:
Glad he has eaten Mark, that is usually a positive sign! ;)
I dont recall if Clapton has ever had a jaw injury Mark? My ex feral Blackie has a distorted bottom jaw and only one top fang, think it was from some nasty mans boot though from his previous life on a bad housing estate! >:( :(
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There is a snag - If I pick a poo tray up, in Clapton's mind it becomes a cat carrier and that will frighten him even more :scared:
Anyway, he moved to behind the sofa in the dining room for a while and the last time I went in, he was on one of the back cushions. He was a bit nervous but I spent ages fussing him and eventually he was nuzzling my hand and purring.
I have left him there drooling on the "Less than a year old real velvet sofa stuff with feathers" that was not cheap! (but is probably very comfortable for a poorly kitty :Luv2: - Oh well, what can you do? :Dont know: :evillaugh:
He did have some kind of Jaw injury AFAIK, he was a stray and in a real state with bald patches, sores etc when OH adopted him.
btw - I need to check if the VN clipped his talons as I requested - I'm sure she did :)
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I thought so as in his pic you can see where the bottom jaw is sort of mis-aligned! >:( :( Poor Clappers to think of the state your OH took him in like.... :ahh:
To think now he is living the high life in a rich bed of velvet! :Luv2:
I always think of you as dirty OH and OH as clean OH, I secretly think you enjoy all that cleaning! :evillaugh: :Luv: :hug:
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I always think of you as dirty OH and OH as clean OH, I secretly think you enjoy all that cleaning! :evillaugh: :Luv: :hug:
You obviously haven't got a clue :evillaugh:
OH has never picked up an iron, yurned on a washing machine or cleaned a tray (or anything else for that matter) since we met.
When I has a septoplasty. OH cleaned a bathroom ready for some guests and it took about 2 hours and I was asked countless questions and still had to go and finish it properly :tired:
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I have just cant explain myself properly! :shy:
You dirty cos thats the jobs you get, OH clean cos he dos'nt! :rofl: :hug: :hug:
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I always think of you as dirty OH and OH as clean OH, I secretly think you enjoy all that cleaning! :evillaugh: :Luv: :hug:
You obviously haven't got a clue :evillaugh:
OH has never picked up an iron, yurned on a washing machine or cleaned a tray (or anything else for that matter) since we met.
When I has a septoplasty. OH cleaned a bathroom ready for some guests and it took about 2 hours and I was asked countless questions and still had to go and finish it properly :tired:
Now that one you can keep to yourself! :evillaugh: :hug: :hug:
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I have just cant explain myself properly! :shy:
You dirty cos thats the jobs you get, OH clean cos he dos'nt! :rofl: :hug: :hug:
I wondered if you meant that :evillaugh:
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I always think of you as dirty OH and OH as clean OH, I secretly think you enjoy all that cleaning! :evillaugh: :Luv: :hug:
You obviously haven't got a clue :evillaugh:
OH has never picked up an iron, yurned on a washing machine or cleaned a tray (or anything else for that matter) since we met.
When I has a septoplasty. OH cleaned a bathroom ready for some guests and it took about 2 hours and I was asked countless questions and still had to go and finish it properly :tired:
Now that one you can keep to yourself! :evillaugh: :hug: :hug:
No idea what that is - a hobby of yours? :evillaugh:
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You got me! :evillaugh: :-[ :naughty: :hug: :hug:
Back to Clapton....I need to do some washing! :rofl: :hug:
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I am making the most of him not being in the front bedroom and have shampooed the carpet. I have tried not to put food up there but he has been so nervy that I allowed it. There is a tray but he kept dragging the food off and onto the carpet. Also a few throwups :sick: Will
wash the paintwork and polish the wood later to with my new lavender wax polish ;D
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Happy cleaning Mark. I know the feeling, although am not quite (!) as fastidious as you as I'm a tired, lazy old cow.
I'm so pleased Clapton is eating and hope he relaxes a bit soon. I resorted to classic FM for Max, not sure if it helped (as long as it's not Wagner or something).
Btw wrong thread but excuse me, my vet was keen on bicarb and has now cooled on it somewhat - says you have to do a special blood test first (I forget which ) with arterial blood, in order to be sure.
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Thanks for the info on Bicarb. I will see if there is any more info on it. If the cat was suitable for it, I'm sure it would help neutralise acid in their stomach as well?
Anyway, I was really brave and stuffed a big heavy (and expensive) William Morris curtain in the washing machine as nothing would get the Willow stains out. Anyway, I don't think anything but a Miele would have stood for it as it must have weighed 4 x the recommended weight :evillaugh: - these ones are heavy cotton with a Wiliam Morris print and blackout lining. All the stains have come out - hopefully it hasn't shrunk :scared: - I washed it at 30 and will wash the other tomorrow. :)
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Glad he got through the biopsy OK, and good luck for the results.
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Thanks - he is a lot better in himself and I had no trouble slipping a fortekor into his Sheba chicken & turkey tray, even with a scoop of Ipakitine in ;D
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:) Glad to hear Clapton seems better today :hug:
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:) Glad to hear Clapton seems better today :hug:
Metoo. :hug: :hug:
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Thanks Pav :hug:
He is cleaning himself now and has decided to go back up to the bedroom but if I go up there, he jumps underneath. Given how clean he looks, I think this mst have been building up for a while. I don't want to be premature but I have a good feeling that it was just a nasty infection and hopefully nothing worse. I'm sure he wouldn't be as well in himself otherwise?
He was sitting on the stairs tonight and I went to sit with him. I was gently rubbing his head and cupped it in my hand and he rested his head in my hand, closed his eyes and started to go to sleep :Luv2:
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Aww i love it when they do that with their little head they just keep bending it and then fall :Luv: :Luv:
I think so too, it must have been something in his mouth like an infection , i remember last year Phoebe stopped eating and that was before , she was diagnosed with CRF and the old vet kept admitting her and sending her home after 3 days it happened 3 times and she was on fluid there so was ok but as soon as i brought her home she would stop eating again, that's when i decided to ask mayhew to help and they recommended the new vet, the first thing he did was to sedate her and took x-ray and the one in her mouth showed she had a huge hole in her gum :( That's why she wasn't eating but the old vet never checked her mouth cos they were scared of examining her , never the less i was charged for examination on daily basis >:(
I am sure Clapton eating is a good sign also from my experiance when they clean and groom themselves it means they are feeling good, Phoebe stoped doing that the last few days of her life and i knew she is not feeling well . :(
I am so glad Clapton is doing well. :hug: :hug:
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This morning, I was putting the coffee on and went into the hallway and saw him go flying through the door. I thought he was running from me but then I realised he, to use my dad's expression with our old cat "had a flea up his ass" :evillaugh: - his tail was up and he was just chasing around like a loony. He hasn't done that for so long and we just put it down to deterioration. Especially as he had been seen by the vet several times recently - this must have been building up for some time and the reason why he rarely left the bedroom. He is back in the dining room on the back of the sofa fast asleep :Luv2: - it's funny but I thought he would avoid that room as that is where he is always seen by the vet :Crazy: - anyway, I am just hoping for the best with the biopsy.
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Glad he's more perky Mark, and cleaning himself and wanting to eat are all very good signs that he's feeling better in himself :Luv2:
Fingers crossed this was just a nasty infection and he's now feeling much better x
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So glad Clapton has perked up a bit Mark :Luv:
Let's hope it is just a nasty infection and he is feeling better soon :hug:
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Thanks Pav :hug:
He is cleaning himself now and has decided to go back up to the bedroom but if I go up there, he jumps underneath. Given how clean he looks, I think this mst have been building up for a while. I don't want to be premature but I have a good feeling that it was just a nasty infection and hopefully nothing worse. I'm sure he wouldn't be as well in himself otherwise?
He was sitting on the stairs tonight and I went to sit with him. I was gently rubbing his head and cupped it in my hand and he rested his head in my hand, closed his eyes and started to go to sleep :Luv2:
Awwww, glad he seems to be picking up even more :) hopefully just infection Mark, Byron loves me to cup her head too, it's so sweet - I think it makes them feel secure :hug:
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Its amazing how they can seem at death's door and suddenly perk up! So glad he is on the up Mark and tearing around like a loonie! :evillaugh: :Luv: :hug:
"Go Clappers Go" ;D ;D ;D
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No fleas up asses in this house, we have the more demure ants in pants ;) Can't tell you how pleased I am for Clapton ...and you and OH of course Mark. Have been tied up all week but been coming on just to check in on Alison's thread and Clapton's progress. Can log off again with a big :)
Well done that boy and fingers staying crossed for biopsy results.
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we have the more demure ants in pants ;)
How about going like the Clappers? :evillaugh:
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I managed to get a few pictures but didn't want to bother him too much. I put a lap protector on the back of the dining room sofa this morning - some would say it is to protect the sofa and others to make Clapton more comfortable :innocent: :evillaugh:
PS - in case anone is wondering why the sofa is in front of the door, there are 3 doors into the dining room from the hall and it isn't a massive room :Crazy:
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PS - in case anone is wondering why the sofa is in front of the door, there are 3 doors into the dining room from the hall and it isn't a massive room :Crazy:
I was'nt wondering but now you have brought my attention to it.....to stop people escaping? :sneaky: :naughty: :rofl: :hug:
Clapton looks so relaxed! :Luv2:
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he, to use my dad's expression with our old cat "had a flea up his ass" :evillaugh:
Thats sounding good (well not necessarily flea up ass, but that he's perked up!) :hug:
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to stop people escaping? :sneaky: :naughty: :rofl: :hug:
No need for that, they have to get in first! :evillaugh:
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How is Clapton today Mark? Hoping he is in good form! :Luv: :hug:
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He seems fine thanks Ruth :)
In fact, he was the first to ask for breakfast this morning :evillaugh:
He has decided to move into the dining room rather than upstairs where he had spent the last 6 months+
In fact we bought a nice throw in TK Maxx to protect the back of the sofa from drool make him more comfortable.
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Good to hear! :) :Luv: :hug:
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Sounds good Mark :)
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I chased results today and they said a week to 10 days :waiting:
Just wondering if its an age thing but Clapton although seems quite well in himself and a lot calmer than he has been in ages, doesn't seek out our company or want to go in the garden. He has the dining room to himself and just lets me know when he is hungry. He always used to look for a lap in the evening.
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Awww glad to hear Clapton seems better, thats an awfully long time to wait for results isn't it.
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I am being quite lenient foodwise. He was on senior but has never seemed that keen. He adores Whiskas adult chicken in Jelly pouches so I have been allowing them (still adding binders) It's a juggling act between keeping them happy with food they enjoy and keeping them well.
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It is bit of a wait, glad he is doing ok and enjoy his dins :) hopefully good news soon :hug:
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I am being quite lenient foodwise. He was on senior but has never seemed that keen. He adores Whiskas adult chicken in Jelly pouches so I have been allowing them (still adding binders) It's a juggling act between keeping them happy with food they enjoy and keeping them well.
It is a juggling act, but I always say weigh up what they appear to be better on, but then you feel bad in other ways so its an ongoing vicious circle! :Crazy: :hug:
Maybe he is feeling more contentment of late and thats why he is seeming more chilled?
So what day are the results gonna be available from? :shocked:
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I'm glad Clapton is doing better :hug: I've given up trying to get Max to eat anything 'good for him'. He lives on Applaws, Hi Life and his senior RC dry. If it was a choice between a 'good' food that he enjoyed, then I'd push that rather than the junk. Like Swampy really likes k/d, but probably would prefer applaws. So he gets mostly k/d and a little applaws just to keep him happy. I eat enough that isn't good for me!
I hope you get the results soon and that they are good news Mark. I know how stressful it is waiting :hug:
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Its funny but I always say Clapton is fussy as he eats about 1/3rd of a pouch and sits there waiting for something else. It must just be that he eats enough to take the worst of the hunger off but doesn't like it as since I have been giving him adult Whiskas chicken in jelly, he has been licking the plate clean - if he doesn't eat it all, he is happy to go back and finish it later. He never does that with senior and renal is just a waste of money as he attempts to eat about 1 in 7 but givs up after 2 or 3 mouthfuls. I may try to do a mix of renal and whiskas to see how it goes. Otherwise, it is just an expensive waste.
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I missed a call from the vet.
He said it was a Moderate sub-acute infection (OH says he thinks the vet said sub-cut(aneous) but it didn't sound like that to me although it makes sense) - he was leaving to do home visits so said he will speak with me in more depth tomorrow.
ANyway, at least we know our boy hasn't got cancer :)
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Oh Mark, what a relief :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Excellent news ;D
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Great stuff ;D I'm so pleased for you :hug:
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AND I just dished up some Purina renal pate and he wolfed it ;D (so fast he didn't notice the fortekor :shify: )
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Fab news x
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Fantastic news Mark, Im so happy for you all! ;D ;D ;D :Luv: :hug:
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REally pleased to hear this
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great news Mark!!
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wonderful news, what a huge relief :hug:
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Excellent news :hug:
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James had phoned again this morning while I was out (at PAH :evillaugh: ) so I phoned back. He said the way I heard it is correct "Moderate sub acute inflammation" - I suggested it may mean that although it was bad, it didn't do any permanent damage and James seemed to agree with that. I also asked about feeding Clapton adult food with binders rather than senior with binders as he enjoys it so much more - he really relishes it rather than eats some as he is hungry. James said the most important thing is that he is eating but at the same time to minimize phosphorus as much as possible. So I will stick to a mix of foods including Purina renal so at least he is getting as little phos as possible but still gets to enjoy his food. I think enjoyment of food is a big part of quality of life so have to compromise somewhere.
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Brilliant news ;D :hug:
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Fantastic news Mark :hug:
Brilliant start to the weekend to hear some good news x
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Now I just need him to trust me. He is fine when he is hungry but when heisn't he is running behind the sofa etc. It is a nice afternoon an I haven't hoovered the dining room for over a week so I guess he is going to enjoy a bit of time in the garden :evillaugh:
I just want him to chill outside like he used to (this was 5 years ago)
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn224/MarkB_014/sleeep-58416.jpg)
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Aw! What a lovely piccie of him looking very relaxed indeed! I do hope he goes out and enjoys some sun! :Luv2: :hug:
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Great news that its not cancer
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Just caught up with this excellent news: :wow:
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Mark I am so pleased for you :hug:
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Great news :hug: :hug:
Lovely piccie :Luv2:
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awww lovely photo :Luv:
I def agree about the food Mark, if they're eating and happy that's the main thing because if we had to eat food we didn't like we'd be miserable and being miserable will affect their health too so it has to be a balancing act :hug:
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Just wondering how our Clapton's getting along Mark?
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He is much better thanks. He isn't running from me now. People don't believe me when I say it takes him 2 weeks to get over a vet trip. He is eating well and his fur is looking much better :)
However, Willow is never far from a tap and is drinking almost constantly. In fact over the last couple of days, she has taken to sleeping in a bathroom sink and is sitting in the walk-in shower. She Will have a drink from the drinkwell, Then go to a water bowl and then to a tap. She just can't get enough. Also her usual runny eye liquid has gone from clear to opaque so may be some infection. They are also running more than usual. She also smells funny - like a zoo smell :sick: She is booked in for 5pm today.
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omg Mark does that mean she is peeing loads as well?
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Yes but apart from the 2 places I dealt with, she is going outside and in trays luckily
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Glad that Clapper's is back to normal and got over his vet trip bless! :Luv2:
Sending positive vibes for darling Willow's visit tonight~~~~Best of luck it can be sorted! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Glad she is finding the trays or you would be having a right old time with all the fluids she is taking in! ;D :hug:
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Glad Clapton has nearly forgiven you!
Hope Willow gets on well onight - Tiger had a smell and drank shed loads - he was diabetic may be worth a quick test
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Glad Clapton has forgiven you now :hug:
Best of luck with Willow later, do you think they'll be doing bloods tonight Mark?
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I expect so. I want them to check her potassium. Also want to find out about vitamin depletion through weeing and see if it is worthwhile giving her a B jab. She is bouncy at the moment but seems so get worn out during the day and sits like a sphinx looking sad :(
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Sounds like a very good idea to get all these things checked, hope all goes well :hug:
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Thanks Clare - I need a break from vet trips and I'm sure OHs bank account does too! :evillaugh:
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I know only too well what you mean on both counts :hug:
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She is quite dehydrated despite the amount she is drinking. Jeremy gave her a B12 jab and a Laurabolin jab. He said it helps to get the toxins out of the system. I need to google this one. I explained about her aversion to "palatable " Fortekor. We are trying a new one which has the same active ingredient but is 1/2 the size and film coated - it is called benazacare. The smell I could smell around Willows mouth was uraemia (not catty smell as OH thought) - I know what the cats smell like :evillaugh: Obviously Clapton was caught early and has stayed fairly stable. He said her change in behaviour could be down to the toxins making her a bit senile. She has turned into a different cat. She wasn't remotely bothered in the car nor by the 8 or so dogs in the waiting room. Jeremy recommended her having repeat jabs every 4 weeks, possibly every 3 weeks. I just hope she perks up and we can pill her one way or another. Also she has a bit of an infection in her eye so I have drops for that as well.
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Noah description of Laurabolin.
"Nandrolone is a testosterone derivative which can be used in the supportive management of chronic renal failure."
It is an anabolic steroid.
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Aw bless her Mark....Hope the jabs manage to perk her up soon! If its not one its another! :( :Luv: :hug:
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Luckily with our setup, I can manage to take her every 3 weeks. She is the opposite of Clapton in that she seemed to enjoy the afternoon out :evillaugh:
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Hope she picks up with the meds, the laurabolin and B12 used to help Suzie somewhat :hug:
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I hope so. Any idea how long before we get some kind of change? ATM she is gaga. She is either lying in the sink or sitting in the shower. I took her to bed last night and she settled but this morning she was back in the sink. OH said she has lost it - it's as if she has reverted back to being a kitten but without the playfulness. I made her up a nice bed in the garden in the Lloyd Loom chair with vet bed and made her a tent with blankets. Five minutes later, she was back upstairs sitting in the shower. OH asked where she is peeing but I think she has stopped peeing in the house and using the corner outside. Anyway, good news is I got her to take her meds in some pork. The new tablets are tiny compared to fortekor. A 5mg one is 1/2 the size of a 2.5mg Fortekor and they are film coated. It's a shame they don't make a 2.5mg coated pill as that way it would be even easier to hide. I asked Jeremy about what I had seen on the internet re having meds made into transdermal so they are applied to the ear. He said we don't have compounding pharmacies in the UK. They have them in OZ where he is from and I know they also have them in the US.
Another frustrating thing is she has lost 200g since she was weighed in April and now only weighs 2.4kg. Although we are trying to keep the phosphorus down, the important thing is keeping her weight up initially. Also, I know dry isn't great for CRF cats but I have bought her favourite food which is Hill's adult chicken. I will gradually start mixing k/d into it when she has gained a bit of weight. Luckily Hill's adult is low phosphorus compared to a lot of foods.
Anyway, some pics I took of her in the shower. She is responding so not totally out of it.
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Fingers crossed for her MArk - this is what I got told about compounding pharmacies over here, not looked into the link though. forgot that they don't call them compounding pharmacies in the UK--they are referred to as Special Units: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Pharmacy-...ompounding.htm
Good luck with getting weight on her - does seh like cat milk or a/d?
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She won't touch pate type foods. In fact there aren't many wet foods she will eat. Good idea re cat milk :). I bought some senior cat milk in PAH the other week so will try it.
I will check the link thanks.
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Aw poor Willow, hope the injections work, and the new tablets are easier, they certainly sound better if they are smaller, so should be easier to hide :)
If you're concerned about her weight at the moment, I'd also try cat milk, as well as dry food as well, as she's clearly drinking, so dehydration shouldn't become an issue? This is what I did with Max to try and build him up again, and it didn't make a huge amount of difference to his bloods.
Weird that she's liking sinks and showers at the moment though! Could it be that they are cool and it feels nice maybe? xxxx
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she's clearly drinking, so dehydration shouldn't become an issue?
The vet said she is dehydrated already as it is going straight through her which worries me. :(
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Could it be that they are cool and it feels nice maybe? xxxx
OH wondered that too. Anyway, I want to get her out of the habit. I brought her back downstairs and put her in the nest I made outside and she is fast asleep right now :Luv2:
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Could it be that they are cool and it feels nice maybe? xxxx
OH wondered that too. Anyway, I want to get her out of the habit. I brought her back downstairs and put her in the nest I made outside and she is fast asleep right now :Luv2:
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she's clearly drinking, so dehydration shouldn't become an issue?
The vet said she is dehydrated already as it is going straight through her which worries me. :(
Sorry hun I missed this in your post :hug: What did the vet say about this?
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she's clearly drinking, so dehydration shouldn't become an issue?
The vet said she is dehydrated already as it is going straight through her which worries me. :(
Sorry hun I missed this in your post :hug: What did the vet say about this?
He didn't say a lot except the meds would help. I'm sure he would have suggested rehydration if he thought it was necessary. I was a bit embarrassed asking so many questions and said I try not to obsess about the cats and he said there is nothing wrong with that and that he obsesses about his own and that they are family :evillaugh:
He was so good with her :)
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Sending positive healing vibes for the new meds to assist her and for her to take them easily! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Hope Willow is enjoying her comfy nest still Mark, and is staying out of the sink/shower today :hug:
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just picked up on this Mark. I'm so sorry Willow's poorly. Swampy has laurabolin once a month, but you can give it every 3 weeks if she's very anaemic. Sometimes it makes him feel better, sometimes no difference. My vet usually mixes in vitamin B too. I hope it makes her want to eat more.
If she enjoys a trip out, could you get the vet to give her say twice weekly sub cut fluids which may help with her dehydration? From what you say about giving her pills, I take it giving her fluids would be impossible to do at home.
:hug: :hug: for her and Clapton
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Hopefully the vet would have told me if he thought she was dehydrated enough to need it? - it is a 10 mile round trip so every 3 weeks is enough for me unless she really needs it. I will be back at class in a couple of weeks so won't have as much free time.
I don't think they would do sub-cut at the vet anyway, I thought it was intravenous?
I must have misheard the vet as I thought he said the Laurabolin was to help clear toxins and the B12 was to help produce red blood cells (he said the kidneys play a part in red blood cell production)
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A vet could do sub cuts for you during a consult, it's very quick. You could ask them I suppose, to see what they think. Not all UK vets do it anyhow.
Laurabolin's an anabolic steroid so increases the red cell volume I think. It's what the riders on the Tour de France used to use before more up to date cheating drugs were around. Anyhow, it's the main treatment and safest treatment for anaemia. Vit B just sort of helps it along, can boost appetite and energy and you can give it a lot more often. You can give vit B complex pills to cats - Swampy has 1 every 3 days. But the injection is vit B12, which I think's the best one.
Hope it all helps make her feel perkier.
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Thanks :)
There is an imrovement :)
I was looking into getting B12 as a supplement but as methylcobalamin as it is more easily absorbed.
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She has improved a lot but I don't expect she will be the same again. She has started grooming again. The uraemia smell is still there but not as strong. She has stopped sitting in the sink and shower and is back to sleeping on the bed or in her nest in the garden. She even slept in her
rotary line tree house bed yesterday. She is eating well (at least as well as she ever did). Amazingly, she has started eating renal food. She refused point black previously. My old vet said animals are good at knowing what is good for them :shify:
Her eyes are clearing up and she is returning to the feisty madam we know and love. I'm really pleased we have found a form of Benazeprine that she will take and I know she will need her jabs every 3 weeks but as long as she has a good quality life, I will keep it up - however, I have warned OH that I refuse to see her go gradually downhill and be poorly. Decisions will have to be made.
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I am so glad that darling Willow has perked up Mark and is now enjoying her food and other beds! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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I am glad she has perked up - vets can give sub-q fluids during consults quite easily, I have had it done on a few cats - and held some of them while it was done. I am glad the smell isn't as bad, that is a really positive sign, as that is the toxins you can smell.
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All sounding much more positive Mark :Luv2:
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She even ate some boiled egg this afernoon :) (highest quality protein source)
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Just noticed this bout Willow,
Glad she has perked up :hug: :hug:
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Thanks - Now we have to get some meat on her bones.
I was cooking chicken in Olive oil at 11.45pm so she would take her pill - she wasn't fooled with the ham :tired: