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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Mojo on July 19, 2009, 11:43:09 AM
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The oher day Chutney seemed to show signs of Cystitis, so we took her to the vet and she is on Metacam etc, and seems to be weeing and eating fine now, I think we caught it early. (We also got a Feliway plug-in) but since the beginning of the weekend Mango seems to have got really bad Diarrhoea! (sp)
Unfortunately she has taken to trying to "Run away" from it and is going everywhere in my house (throws, duvet covers, walls, brand new carpets) Mango has always had a bit of a dicky tummy every now and again ever since she was a kitten, and it never seemed to bother her, she would just use the tray as normal but it was a bit sloppy :sick:, so usually with holding her food for a night and feeding something bland usually helps (or if not she is taken to the vets) but this time it seems really bad and she seems almost scaredof what is coming out. :-:
Am currently in the middle of cleaning her last episode as she doesn't seem to want to use the tray to "catch" it, she wants to run away from it and I can't do anything to stop her! :'( I am taking her to the vets in the morning and taking either the morning or the day off depending on how she is.
Do you think it's cruel to keep her in the kitchen (where its tiled floor) or should I let her have the run of the house and just follow with a bottle of 1001? (it's really starting to smell now-poor Bear)
Good vibes please for my Bear :(
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Awww, poor Mango :hug: Hopefully she just has a tummy bug which can be sorted out with antibiotics. I don't think it's cruel to keep her in the kitchen til it's cleared up, she can have her comfy bed and toys in there. When Riley had his diaorrhea episode (which lasted weeks on and off) I would dread coming home, worried about what I was going to find and where :sick: Let us know how she gets on at the vets :hug:
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I think it would be fine to keep her confined a bit till tomorrow - maybe put another tray as well, just to give her every opportunity to at least use one try or the other! Hope the vet can sort her out. :hug:
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I will let you know how it goes. I can't stand her being unwell, she is my baby :-[
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Give her a gentle head kiss from me and the boys :care:
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Poor Mango, hope the vet can sort he poorly tum out tomorrow :hug:
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Awwww poor Mango, send lots of get well soon vibes :hug:
I think confining her to the kitchen would be fine hunnie :hug:
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I wonder if Mango's bottom's sore and that's why she is trying to run away from it! :(
Positive vibes for this to settle down quickly for you all~~~~Good Luck! :Luv: :hug:
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Sending lots of good vibes for Mango. :hug: :hug:
I think the kitchen is fine, may be you could put some news papper down for her in case she doesnt want to use the tray for now.
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Poor Mango, hope she is feeling better soon :hug:
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Fingers crossed for today - i have confined a few with diarrhea.
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How are you both today? :hug:
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How did she get on at the vets Mojo? :hug:
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How's Mango doing today hun?
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Well, the vets seems to think she has a tummy bug as even though she had had hardly any food all weekend, she still felt quite gassy. So she had an anti biotic and anti inflammatory jab and some tablets to take from wednesday onwards.
I stayed at home with her yesterday and apart from being hungry she seemed to be ok. She has not been for a #2 yet though so heaven knows what will happen then :-[ We are feeding slowly today; two teaspoons of meat this morning, lunchtime, after work and again before bed and see how her tummy takes it. She has lost a bit of weight though :'(
I just hate seeing her panic when it happens and runninga ll over the house to get away from it! fingers crossed her tummy will start feeling better now.
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Hope that Mango starts to pick up soon now, I have seen my cats do that running away from the tray too :hug:
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I think she is running away from the pain, cos it can be quite painful sometimes. Lots of love to Mango :hug:
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Hope the abs and anti inflamatories work quickly for her! :Luv: :hug:
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Aww bless her, hope the meds sort her out :hug:
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Mango went to the vets again on saturday morning as she was still not using her tray (I started another thread called "scared to poop")
Well, the vet gave her an even longer course of anti B's and I think this time it's done the trick. Today, right after dinner, Bear treated us to the sight of her taking a long luxurious dump in her tray LOL :sick: but at least it wasn't up the wall on on the carpet!!!!
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Yeah I seen the other thread! ;) So glad that all found its way to the tray! :sick: :wow: :Luv2: :hug:
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odd, isn't it, how on some threads everyone is clamouring for piccies
whereas on others ............................................. :evillaugh:
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Thats great ;D
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That's good to hear :)
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odd, isn't it, how on some threads everyone is clamouring for piccies
whereas on others ............................................. :evillaugh:
Hmmm! Reverse psychology methinks! :evillaugh: :P :hug:
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Excellent news ;D ;D
Defo no pictures of this required :evillaugh:
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I think I will however provide a photo of the new slimline Bear as she has lost a bit of weight since this debacle started!
She has gone from 5kilos to 4.4 now. I will see if I can get a good photo of her showing her new trim figure :Luv2:
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Oh yes, I think such a photo will be far more what we have in mind ;D
:pic: :print:
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It will be lovely to see a photo :)
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Well, the good times did not last long. Bear has had a couple more incidents since the 10 day course of antib's and is still not better. Back to the vet last saturday who has taken some blood.
Am still awaiting results (was told it would be today) but apparently they had an emergency this morn so will get back to me. It might be something similar to IBS or something which needs Vit B injections or something? :-:
My poor Bear :(
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Aw! Its really annoying when they cant find anything immediately wrong...I hope the tests show up a possible reason for it! :tired:
Lots of hugs to yourself and Mango! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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The vet called back. Mango's bloods shows raised levels of Urea and Creatnine, and she has early kidney failure and needs to go onto Fortekor and the K/D biscuits. Her white cells were also low (but we were expecting that as she has FIV). But none of this explains why she is still running away from her number twos!
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What can I expect in terms of how ill she may get/How long she has left :( etc?
How do I claim for the continued Fortekor on insurance?
my poor Bear.She is only three. :'(
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God bless her, thats awful news :(
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I am so sorry and thats very young for kidney failure :hug: :hug: :hug:
You make your first claim for the treatment and stuff that she has had and then every claim after that for anything related is just a continuation of the first claim..............who are you ensured with?
Lots of love and improvement vibes to Bear :hug: :hug:
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What a shock :hug: She's so young to have CRF :hug: Did the vets tell you what the actual figures were results wise?
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That's so awful. Poor you, and poor Bear. :hug:
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Oh dear! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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sorry to hear your cat has CRF, this link may help explain some things and there are further links in our health and behaviour guides:
http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,4817.0.html
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I am sorry to hear this, it is rare to hear it in a cat so young - but there is such a thing as ARF, rather than CRf, which can happen in young cats, it is more acute than chronic. I wouldnt put her on k/d biscuits though, cats with kidney issues need all the moisture they can get, so really did a wet food only diet - there are loads of kidney diets available, RC do 3 flavours, Hills do 3, Zooplus sell Kattovit and Integra, and VetUK sell Purina and something else, so plenty to try her on. Fingers crossed for her
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I am so sorry and thats very young for kidney failure :hug: :hug: :hug:
You make your first claim for the treatment and stuff that she has had and then every claim after that for anything related is just a continuation of the first claim..............who are you ensured with?
Lots of love and improvement vibes to Bear :hug: :hug:
She is with Axa and this will be her first claim.
In response to Desley, she generally has wet food and just a handful of biscuits a day so her diet is mainly wet anyway. She is currently on Felix AGAIL but this could be changed to something else. Luckily she is not fussy in the slightest and will eat anything! (including tablets, she ate her antib's like sweets!) I will ask the vet for her levels of creatnine and Urea to try and get an idea of how bad it is.
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Aw hun, sorry to hear Mango's diagnosis, if you can post up the creatinine and urea readings then we can compare them to our respective babes readings etc :hug:
Max was insured with AXA, and we always managed to get bills paid even with the FIV, my vets were adamant the 2 were not related as such, and pushed through each and every claim, which covered the drugs, as well as the ongoing blood testing etc, so you should be fine with them, they are a good company :)
At this stage don't worry, things will become more apparent over the coming months with the repeat blood tests, then you can monitor whether this is some kind of acute renal issue, or actual CRF which can be treated successfully.
I'm sure you vets will give you lots of advice, but there's loads of us on here who can help as well, so just ask with any questions you have. I can remember only too well feeling scared at the diagnosis, but there's no need to be, even if CRF is the official diagnosis, if caught early enough and with the right treatment, cats can go on to live for a few years beyond diagnosis. We lost Max a year and a half after he was diagnosed, but he also had thyroid problems, and was older, so was more difficult for us :hug:
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Mango's results were:
Urea = 12.9 (should be between 3 and 10.2)
Creatinine = 220 (should be up to 190)
TP (total protein) = 79 (should be between 52 and 77)
Got 14 tablets for now, 1 a day. When we get near end of the tablets, we have to phone vets and advise how she’s getting on.
They advised to ONLY give her the k/d biscuits?!?!
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They advised to ONLY give her the k/d biscuits?!?!
Different vets have different views on what actually is causing kidney issues in cats....Its an ongoing study for them and they are not really sure if not having biscuits will help.... ;)
Is she drinking plenty? :hug:
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Well those results don't look too bad to me, they're not hugely elevated so with the Fortekor she will hopefully be just fine for a long while to come yet :hug: As an example Tiggy's results were Urea 35 and Creatinine 312 - she was on Fortekor and shortly before she died (of an unrelated illness aged almost 19) the results were back within the normal range.
The vets will want to retest her blood at some point in the future but you need to give time for the Fortekor and any diet change to take effect. I couldn't get Tiggy to eat any of the renal diets so fed her 'normal' wet cat food with a phosphorous binder but no point in worrying about foods if she will happily eat the renal diets, although that said I don't think I'd be happy feeding 100% dry to a cat with kidney issues :shy:
There's lots to take in but this site is an absolute mine of information http://www.felinecrf.org/
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she seems to drink fine, though I will keep more of an eye out now. ;)
I was mistaken and I believe she can have the K/D pouches though where is the best place to shop for both the meat and biscuits?
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Claim with AXA is as I described ;D
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They dont look too bad, similar to Rosie's. K/D can be bought online or from teh vets, I wouldn't feed a cat with kidney issues dry food only though. Rest of food can be bought from places I said yesterday
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Those readings, although higher than normal, are not the end of the world at all, and I'm sure the renal diet together with the meds will bring those down and stabilise. It looks like this has been caught early which is the main thing ;D
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Still doesn't explain the rratic pooping all around the house though :tired:
Think I should speak to the vet again about that, but she has already had two long courses of antib's so what else could it be apart from bahavioural? The actual poop is fine most of the time (occasionally a bit sloppy) so this is what is really confusing me.
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Try not to worry, that is mild renal failure and as others have said, you are on to it early. I buy k/d online. Like others I'm confused as to why the vet wants the dry one, if Mango will eat the wet. There's the pouches of k/d and also they do the minced chicken cans, which most cats (most cats that eat renal food that is!) seem to prefer. Don't buy the original recipe, it's like rock hard soap, but get the minced chicken one.
You could get a few cans from your vet before ordering online, then if Mango won't eat it, Hills will take it back and you'll get refunded.
There is also Royal Canin renal chicken and tuna pouches that some cats like too.
all the best. No idea about why she poos in the house though, sorry!
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Mango has still been pooping erratically and it's a bit sloppy. |Just taken her to the vets again as the last poops were very runny and had lots of mucus :sick:
The vet thinks it might be FELV. She has had blood taken and am waiting results. The vet will be calling tonight.
gutted.
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I am sure it is not as this would have been discovered or thought about by the vet before :hug: :hug:
I hope they can find what is the problem quickly and sort it out. Lots of thoughts for Mango and you :hug:
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Hope that the results are ok Mojo :hug:
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Hope all goes well for Mango, might be an idea to send off faeces samples but make sure you do it when poop is runny.
Take care :hug:
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:hug: im sure its not, it would have shown up when her fiv did and she has been indoor since, it wont stop you worrying tho :hug:
Second the sample taking, sometimes you need a specific antibiotic to treat an infection
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I can't believe its FELV, so will keep fingers crossed that its not :hug:
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Sending positive vibes Mango's way and a :hug: for you both
:hug: im sure its not, it would have shown up when her fiv did and she has been indoor since, it wont stop you worrying tho :hug:
That's exactly what I was thinking MM
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Sending positive vibes for Mango. :hug:
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Sending Tons of get well vibes Mango's way :care:
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Positive healing vibes being sent for darling Mango~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed for negative test results, I do wish vets wouldn't automatically think this, there are far more common reasons for runny poo, especially as she has CRF.
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Everything crossed for a negative result xx
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me too, hoping that it's something very treatable. Vets can be very doom and gloom.
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Results are back.
Mango is NEGATIVE for FELV AND FIV!!!!
Now I am confused. We are doing another blood test and sending this to Glasgow. Her White Blood cells were rock bottom at the last blood tests so the vet is really confused. The test she had as a kitten is more unreliable than the one she has just done, as she was less than 8 weeks old and it was most likely a false positive. So is she FIV+ or not???
She has agin lost weight, down to 4.1 Kilos now.
Still doesn't explain the constant diarrhoea though :'(
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If it was an inhouse test when she was a kitten then those wont be as reliable as the Glasgow ones! ;)
So glad the results have come back negative! :wow: :hug: :hug:
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The negative result was also an inhouse one :scared:
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Its more likely to be the positive one unreliable and not a negative one if that makes any sense! ;) :hug: :hug:
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Glad the results were negative, hopefully you can find out the problem soon, I wonder if something is disagreeing with her? :hug:
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Good news about the negatives! Now if you can just get to the bottom of her tummy troubles :hug:
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Im so glad you got both negatives :wow: ;D but whatever vet tested her before 16wks with an inhouse test should be shot, the only test for little kittens is a special glasgow one, at a young age they can be 'positive' because of mothers antibodies so completely pointless testing them so young. Shes lucky she wasnt with a rescue who pts.
Has she had a poo sample tested?
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Yes- it was negative for everything.
Thats why the vet is stumped- Nothing showed on the sample, the blood shows slight CRF and low white blood cells, but her tummy problem is not made any better by antibiotics. What the hell is it?!? :-[
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I think id test again before moving on to other options which tend to be more invasive. Sometimes parasites and bacteria dont shed in every poo so its possible to miss things.
What do you feed her? Have you gone down the food exclusion route yet?
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I know this sounds really daft but am wondering , has she had any abs recently?
If so that could be the answer and ask your vet if there is a problem starting using lacto B to see if that will help.
Abs can kill the good bacteria in the stomach which then causes them to have problems, the more abs and the stronger they are, the worse the problem.
Franta had probs in Feb after strong abs and he is still on the lacto B because he has had to have these abs twice since and if I stopped the lacto B his tummy got bad again. So in August I was reducing it slowly to see if that would be better but sadly he needed the abs again so we are back to square one.
I dont think the lacto B would do any harm but it may do some good.
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I know those in-house tests can give a false positive but never a false negative :)
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Yes- it was negative for everything.
Presume they tested for Tritrichomonas foetus? http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/lab_pcr_tritri.htm
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That name does ring a bell yes, I think so.
The vet is sending bloods to Glasgow (I tend to agree with CC about the false negative thing so I am not sure why) but he does seem to be quite doom and gloom about the whole FIV thing in the first place.
I will suggest the "good bacteria" thing to the vet. If she is negative though, what could be causing the rock bottom White blood cells??
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Is Mango insured?
If so I would be tempted to tell her to stop all the tests and refer Mango to a specialist as an emergency. Stop tests because the specialists will redo them.
The other alternative is to get a second opinion cos your vet is wasting time by being stuck on something and not taking advice....she could ring Bristol for example and get advice.
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Mango has been seen by two vets, the first man gave her the first course of antib's, the lady then gave her the second course, then the lady took the poo and blood sample, then the original bloke is sending the bloods to Glasgow (Phew!)
As both Mango and Chutney are going in on tuesday (both for jabs and both for blood tests) I might mention the specialist thing.
Yes they are both insured with Axa Gill, already claimed for the vats majority and cheque is on the way so it's an ongoing claim. What is in Bristol sorry?
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think Gill means the Bristol Veterinary Hospital
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Bristol is one of the centres of excellence and part of the university which has a vet training centre.
Unfortunately they do not have an MRI scanner but seenm to have knowldege about most other things.
Frantas xrays and blood test results were sent their by my Gower vet cos he is of greatvinterest to vets cos he has only one working kidney and the vet that did an excellent report of the what to do was extremly highly qualified.
I am sure that your vets know about Bristol , Liverpool, Glasgow and think its one near Cambridge , which is the one who do the MRi scans and have the expertise to read then properly.
At all but dont know about Glasgow, they also take in-patients but the care apparently is wonderful.
I know my vet rang Bristol for Franta but some vets seem to be too proud to admit they dont know and need advoce or help from the specialists.
I will try and find the link to Bristol for you.
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Good luck - and in house tests can produce false negatives, stats according to Glasgow are 7% for false positives and 5% for false negatives (these were produced after they rechecked inhouse tests). I still wouldnt be thinking FIV for a dodgy tum though, there are much likelier causes, especially as she has had recent antibiotics. Food exclusion would be very high on my list.
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Take another sample with you on tuesday, does her sister ever show any symptoms? If not then id be thinking more of a food intolerance of some kind rather than an infectious problem
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Think this is the link but you click on the link in the centre which brings you to Langford
http://www.vetschool.bristol.ac.uk/langford/cas/smallanihosp.html
Which brings you to here
http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/
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Take another sample with you on tuesday, does her sister ever show any symptoms? If not then id be thinking more of a food intolerance of some kind rather than an infectious problem
Chutney is not related, she is approx 3-4 weeks older. Mango has always eaten the same food, (except now she is on the k/d) when she started pooping round the house quite a lot of the time the poops themselves looked fine, not sloppy in any way.
I will also suggest food exclusion when they go to the vets on tuesday. The vet did ask about the possibility of foreign bodies, the food she was eating before k/d etc (pets at home light biscs and Felix AGAIL)
I should know the results of both their FIV tests by the end of the week.... :-[
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Maybe the kd is the thing that is upsetting her?
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She was only discovered to have the kidney problems (and subsequently put onto the K/D)when they took a blood test to find out why she was getting the runs/pooping round the house.
The kidney problems were discovered as part of the tests to find out why she was having trouble toileting.
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Hows Mojo been doing over the last few days? Any news on the test results :crossed:
Also wanted to say about LactoB, I've just started Riley on it almost a week ago now and it seems to have firmed up his runny bum nicely. Definitely worth asking the vet about, it's a probiotic so shouldn't be a problem for her to have it - VetUK was the cheapest when I bought mine.
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So nice to see people do care :Luv2:
The vet visit was fun on Tuesday, Mango refused to get into her box (my OH was on his own) so he took Chutney at 2pm to have her test (she is having an FIV test as well) and he said we would take Mango when I got home from work.
I got home and she still would not go in to her box. Lots of swearing and my poor OH had scratches everywhere :-[and poor Bear too, she obviously was tired of going to the vets. So, I put her harness on (and I was sooooo thankful I lead trained her) and had her in the car on my lap. She absolutely loved it!! she was a lot less stressed and was an angel.
Unfortunately when the vet took blood she got stressed again (came out dribbling and panting poor baby :'() but we have not had the results of the tests yet.
When I got home from work today there was a poo in the living room, which seemed to be a lot firmer. I think it may also be some kind of food intolerance (the vet is also wondering if its that) as the K/d meat was far too rich for her and definately made her squits a lot worse. To test the theory she has been eating K/D and occasional T/D biscuits only. Not ideal I know, but her poops seem a lot better. She is still uncomfortable though when she does go.
I think no matter what the tests say then I will suggest lactob to see if it makes her tummy a bit more comfortable.Also, as the claim I sent to Axa was for all the previous courses of antib's and then the kidney diagnosis, am I going to be able to do a continuation claim based on the fact her original problem (diarrhoea) has not solved? Or will they do it separate cos it's not related to the kidney failure? :-:
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The vets do the claim not you and it should be a continaution....you just fill your bit of the claim form in and tick the box that says money to the vet ;D
Kocka was terrified of the vets but as she was older she also was used to having a lead and she was much happier sitting in half of the carrier on my knee.
They can sedate briefly to do the blood test and think that is much better than having a very stressed cat.
Sounds like kd meat is the problem and am sure others on here can recommend other thinngs she can eat instead of that :hug: :hug:
Sorry to here that Chutney is also being tested....think maybe your vet is ummmmmmmm on the money grabbing front :shify: :shify:
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Sounds like a right kerfuffle! Fingers crossed for both their test results :hug:
My vets suggested food allergy to me aswell, at first I poo pooed the idea (sorry :-[) but then one of the vets explained that even if they've been eating the same food for years with no problems, that the vegetable and animal deriviatives in each batch might vary so it could be that something has changed with the food in that way.
You might get away with one claim with Axa - if they are linking the first lot of antibiotics in with the claim for the kidney diagnosis then not sure how they could say the continuation of diaorrhoea isn't linked to the first investigation of it when the anti-B's were given. If two separate 'conditions' are diagnosed then they will defo treat that as two claims though.
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Gill the vet is right to test chutney, initially they were both done too early with the wrong test and could actually not have fiv at all, which is a very good thing to know ;D
I hope you can get to the bottom of it soon, trying foods is made more complicated by the kidney issues. Would your vet let you use binders so that you can try alternative diets to help her bum?
Good luck for the results :luck:
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The vets do the claim not you and it should be a continaution....you just fill your bit of the claim form in and tick the box that says money to the vet ;D
So far we have been paying on credit card then sending the form off and having the cheque sent to me. I will just say to the vet to make sure whichever one does it states that its a continuation on the previous claim??
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The vet has to fill in his part of the form and I would speak to him when you give him the form and get him to confirm that its a contuation and its up to him to make this clear when he fill on the form.
I have never seen the form again after the vet has filled it in as it has always been sent off by the vets and my vets are happy for the money to be sent to them. You need to clarify the process with your vet because AXA will only send them the money if you have ticked that box.
I have used two vets surgeries with Frantas claims and all of the claims from both have been a continuation of the same claim and no problem with AXA.
You need to speak to your vet also about the tests on Mango because I think they need to also part of the same claim, Axa may not agree and make it separate but then if Mango has had two lots of tests then that should be a claim of its on related to Chilli, if they dont agree that its all one.
I hope that made sense.
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Good luck with the test results - there are other kidney diets available as well as k/d, so that might be an option so she can still have renal food - VetUK do 4 I think, and there are two available through Zooplus (Integra and Kattovit, Integra goes down well with some cats).
Not all vets will accept payment directly to the vet, so you would need to ask them, and also if they can do it as a continuation, as if not, you will have to pay another excess. As well as sedating cats, they can also use Emla cream on their neck, 2 out of my 3 need it for bloods, and it saves them being sedated, it is a local anaesthetic.
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I have already asked the vets about some of the form process and was told that they can't send the form for me, they can fill it in but I have to send it.
Also as I am with Axa they can't take payment I believe. They can if you have Petplan though.
Gill I believe you mean Chutney rather than Chilli. Are you confusing your condiments? :evillaugh:
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Hmm, my vets always used to send off my forms for me, they used to do it all in fact.
I know they wouldn't accept money direct from some insurers as they were slow to pay, but AXA was one they did allow, as they always pay on time.
I guess as long as you get the money back one way or another though is the important thing :hug:
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Gill I believe you mean Chutney rather than Chilli. Are you confusing your condiments? :evillaugh:
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:crossed: for the test results! :hug: :hug:
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I am with Axa and the vets can take payment if they want, I have never had a vet in 15 yrs who didnt send the form in.
Sounds like your vet is being very difficult and just doesnt want to do insurance unless its Pet Plan. Most of the onfo on the form comes from the vet and its freepost to send so they are being very naughty and causing you to wait longer to get your money back......greedy comes to mind!
My two current vets both take the money direct from AXA.
Mixing up the condiments am I :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Sorry :innocent:
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i thought the vets had to send it off, mine do - and I have had claims done by 4 different vets. Mine do charge for completing it though
Gill - all insurance companies allow direct payment to the vet, but it is up to each individual practice. The reason they probably say it only for PetPlan is PetPlan use reps to go to vets and do courses for vet nurses too, as well as the commission schemes.
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My vets dont normally send the form, it comes back to me, solves the problem of missing forms and irate customers! However as my claims keep on going through they sent the last one on for me, i dont get irate you see :evillaugh:
I dont blame vets for not taking direct payments tho, if the company refuses to pay they then have to spend more time and money chasing up the customer.
Mojo, have the results come back yet? :luck:
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I know yours charge for completing Desley and I would not use a vet who charged.
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Mojo, have the results come back yet? :luck:
Hope they have and can put your mind at rest! ;) :hug:
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Gill, it isn't that simple - they are the closest vets to the house, i can be there in 3 minutes in the car, 8 by foot, which is better for everyone. I did change to one a 20 min journey away and they didn't charge, but they didn't rush to do them either, it took weeks for Pebbles form to be completed and sent off, so I would rather pay £3.85 (unless it has gone up, haven't put one in for over a year)
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I also pay for mine to be completed, when you consider how much time a nurse will spend filling out forms and printing things it all adds up, one morning i was there and by 9.30 they had a dozen forms left to be done! Think we have to remember vets are a business not a charity
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I travel over 40 miles there and back to a vet cos there is no decent one near to me and yes its a business and bringing in the money from insurance claims is part of it.
they can have loads of clients with good insurance who pay them direct or a mixture of peeps who have no money, are not insured and it becames torture for all every time they have a sick animal....I think the former makes good business sense and may even help those who are not so well off.
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No results back yet; as we had fun getting Mango to the vets on the day (see some previous posts) I think the bloods didn't get sent straight away or the post is taking a long time.
My suspicions are that Chutney is Negative, and Mango is positive. I don't know why I think that, but if its is true then I don't think I would split them up. Surely if Mango was going to pass it to Chutney it would have happened by now? (with biting etc)
I am going to look on T'internet for some lactoB. I supppose it won't do any harm. Mango had another bad episode last night, it went everywhere and I am sorry to say that I did get a bit angry/upset that my house seems to be turning into a giant litter tray. :'( I wish they could find out what is wrong with her so I can have my happy slightly nutty Bear back. :-[
Will keep you posted whan I get the results and what the vets suggests next.
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My suspicions are that Chutney is Negative, and Mango is positive. I don't know why I think that, but if its is true then I don't think I would split them up. Surely if Mango was going to pass it to Chutney it would have happened by now? (with biting etc)
The way I look at it, how many peeps with outdoor cats get them tested every year - the answer - none at all. I'm sure there's lots of households out there mixing FIV and non FIV every day, if your own cats don't fight, then its not an issue :hug: The status quo with your babes has been such for a long time, there would be no need to split them up, even if one of then does turn out to be negative :hug: :hug:
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Sorry to hear Mango is still not good, I can sympathise with house like a litter tray problem it's not nice :hug: hopefully you will get some answers soon to help him xx
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I wouldnt split them up either :hug:
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They are both negative.
Still don't know whats causing Bear's tummy upset though.
Vet suggests to see how she gets on with the food for a couple of weeks. (Obviously if it gets worse, take her back) I did suggest the LactoB, he said it might be best not to bombard her with deifferent things and just see if it will settle.
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Are they both externally negative? Thats great ;D Are you up to contacting the rescue they came from?
Lacto b is rather harmless, its like us drinking yakult or eating natural yog ;D
Have you tried a bland diet of chicken or white fish? Its easy for the vet to say lets leave her for a few weeks, its not his home being pooed on :hug:
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Are they both externally negative? Thats great ;D Are you up to contacting the rescue they came from?
Lacto b is rather harmless, its like us drinking yakult or eating natural yog ;D
Have you tried a bland diet of chicken or white fish? Its easy for the vet to say lets leave her for a few weeks, its not his home being pooed on :hug:
I was thinking of contacting the rescue; I dread to think how many other False positive kitties the resue has had PTS :(
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Good news indeed :wow: Now you just need to get to the bottom of Mango's bottom problems :hug: Did the vet say anything about her kidney results?
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Just that at the mo it's very mild, and it's good we caught it early. Mango is very good at taking tablets :-)
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I wonder whether it is some food she isn't tolerating and that can take a while to resolve but may be worth keeping an eye on diet.
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I would go with the lacto B it cant do Mango any harm and may resolve the problem. Your vet is making it sound like a medicine, which its not. It just helps the good bacteria to breed again.
I am so pleased that both are negative :hug: :hug:
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Glad that both are negative - I would defo let the rescue know. Fingers crossed it is just adjusting to the food, www.felinecrf.org has suggestions for diarrhea in CRF cats
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Glad to hear the results are negative, very worrying though as you say about the rescue...I wonder how many peeps think they have a poss cat from there when they hav'nt! :shocked: :hug:
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well, the vet recommended leaving her for a bit to see if she got used to the food and her tummy settled down.
I have been keeping a diary and though she is now pooping every day, its not a good consistency and she still "Panics". I bought some Zylkene and she has been on that for a week now, still no change. I called the vet and he did sound disappointed, but we are going down the route of Inflammatory Bowel syndrome or something similar now. She is going in on Thursday so they can take some biopsies :scared:
Please my Bear luck; I just want my happy nutty Bear back, not a scared pooping machine :-[
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:luck: for Thursday Bear :hug:
Sorry to harp on about LactoB but defo worth a try, especially if she's been on anti-biotics as it's like a yakult powder for cats :hug:
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I would too and before any invasive treatment and it takes a few days to work.
Lots of love to Mango :hug:
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Sending positive vibes for her visit on Thursday~~~~Best of luck! :hug: :hug:
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Best of luck for Thursday :hug:
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Good luck for Thurs.
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Good luck :luck: shame there wasnt more scope with your vet for following food intolerance before surgery
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good luck for tomorrow and hope things aren't too bad today :hug:
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Bear had her operation Thursday. She was SERIOUSLY zonked when we got her back in the evening, and only perked up a little of the next day. By the following morning she had only slightly moved position so she is currently at a Vets Now clinic on a drip :'( She will come home tonight if she eats something.
The op did show swollen lymph nodes and her bloods show a low white cell count so she is fighting something. Once we get her stable I think we are possibly looking at an Inflammatory Bowel problem. This could mean steroids or diet changes, I don't know yet.
Thank goodness for Insurance and credit cards!
Please send some vibes for my Bear, she looked so ill :'(
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Aw bless her! Sending positive healing vibes to the gorgeous girl so she manages to eat something and get home to her mum tonight! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Amazing colour markings she has! :Luv2: :hug:
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sending lots of love to her,,,she is so gorgeous..get well soon :hug: :hug:
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:get well: little Bear :care:
Sending healing vibes her way :hug:
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Poor Mango :hug:
Sending lots of get well wishes :hug: :hug:
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She's beautiful, the poor little love, lots of get well wishes heading her way :hug: x
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Fingers crossed shes back to normal soon :hug: :hug:
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Fingers crossed she perks up soon
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Sending lots of positive healing vibes for this gorgous little girl :Luv:
Hope shes soon back home :hug: :hug:
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she's gone
Bear took a turn for the worse on Saturday and was rushed to the Vets Now clinic to be put on a drip. Throughout the night she seemed to be perking up, and even licked some food. The Vets gave her some more pain killing drugs as her heart rate and temp were still high but she was not strong enough and passed away at 7.45 this morning :'(
Me and my OH are absolutely gutted.We went to the clinic and picked out a casket for he. We chose one called "Mango Wood Urn" as it is apt.
Poor Chutney is confused and is wandering the house mewing a lot. My beautiful Bear. :'(
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OMG!!!! Mojo hun I am so shocked for you all! :( :hug: :hug: :hug:
RIP Sweet Mango....xxx
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Oh Mojo thats so terrible :hug: :hug: :hug: I am so very sorry, dont know what to say, breaks my heart :hug: :hug:
RIP beautiful Mango please ask for Kocka to show you around on the Bridge
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So, so sorry to hear this, what an awful shock :hug: Life is just so hideously cruel at times :( RIP little Mango, safe and sound at the Bridge by now xx
Remember Our Love
I was chosen that day
I'm learning to fly
the world took me away,
but please don't you cry
And I chose you today
to try and be strong
so please don't you cry
and don't say that I'm gone
When you're feeling alone
just remember our love,
I'm up near the stars
looking down from above.
Remember our love
In a moment you'll see
that I'm still here beside you
when you're thinking of me.
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I'm so sorry.
Been there 3 times in a short period and it hurts, it hurts so much you think you will never ever get over it.
Words fail me, just :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I'm so very sorry. RIP little Mango, your mum's loved little Bear. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I'm so so sorry :(
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:( oh I'm so sorry :hug:
Godbless Mango xx
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how shocking and how sad
she was a real beauty :hug:
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So sorry to read you have lost her :'( :hug: :hug:
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:'(
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I'm so sorry for your loss. :hug:
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I'm so sorry to hear about Mango :hug:
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Oh Sweetie I am so so sorry - thinking of you xxx :hug: Did the vets give you any warning about the risks of biopsy ?
RIP sweet Mango - have fun at the bridge pretty girl xxx
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So sorry for your loss, another bright star in the sky :hug:
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OMG I am really shocked to read this
I'm so so sorry :hug:
poor Mango :(
RIP Sweetheart xx
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I am so sorry to hear this, I am so shocked. I can't imagine how you must be feeling. RIP little one.
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Oh sweetie, this is not the news I was expecting to see today :'( :'(
I'm so, so sorry :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry
You're heart must be breaking :(
thinking of you
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I'm so sorry, Mojo. :care:
RIP Bear.
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So very sorry to hear this
:RIP: MANGO
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This is so sad and must have been such a shock. Thinking of you :hug:
RIP beautiful Mango
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I'm so sorry to hear this.
:hug:
RIP sweet mango.
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So sorry.
Play hard at the bridge, little one.
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I had a call from Mike the vet earlier, he has left Bear in the hands of the emergency vets on Saturday night and only found out about her this morning-he was very shocked as she seemed to be picking up and was licking food off his fingers :'( He called with Mango's biopsy results :-[(I was interested to know)
They show inflammation in her gut and in her lymph nodes. Apparently the guy doing the test had seen these kind of results before and it could have been that she was in early stages of some kind of lymphoma or something (I don't really understand). He said that we could have had a losing battle with her as her tum was obviously not well and any changes in her diet would not have been great for her kidney problem. But of course we will never know.
As we are claiming for the two weeks worth of Synulox and Fortekor, 2kg bag of slightly opened K/D biccies and 4 pouches of I/D food I am giving it all to the rescue I volunteer at (Shropshire Cat Rescue). I spoke to the lady who runs it and she is very happy to receive these :) I like to think that Bear gave them to all the other kitties in need of medication and food :Luv2:
Missing Bear lots; I woke up this morning and there was no one on my legs and no one to chirrup at me for breakfast :'( poor Chutney is still confused, lots of mewing (Mike the Vet could hear her when he called me at 6.45 this evening) so we are giving lots of cuddles and playing with her. Though I fear she may start getting lonely soon?
Do they miss lost companions at all? Or do they just forget them?
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They do miss them and mourn just as we do :hug: :hug:
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They show inflammation in her gut and in her lymph nodes. Apparently the guy doing the test had seen these kind of results before and it could have been that she was in early stages of some kind of lymphoma or something (I don't really understand). He said that we could have had a losing battle with her as her tum was obviously not well and any changes in her diet would not have been great for her kidney problem. But of course we will never know.
Do they miss lost companions at all? Or do they just forget them?
lymphoma is what Issey had and died from. They really isnt any cure Mojo.
And yes i believe that they miss their companions
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Just caught up with this :doh:
Mojo im sorry for your loss, you must be totally heartbroken to loose her :(
She was beautiful :Luv2:
RIP Bear, safe at the bridge :Luv: :Luv:
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:( :grouphug:
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Mojo, i am so sorry for your loss. :hug: :hug:
RIP beautiful girl. :( x
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I'm so sorry Mojo. :hug: :(
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O bless, it is a loss more terrible than anyone can imajine who has not experienced it, hugs. :hug:
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My OH brought her back last night, in her little "Mango Wood" urn. :'(
I was scared that she was just going to have her ashes loose in the urn but they were in a lovely velvet bag. There was a card in there too. She is on a shelf by the TV next to a ceramic cat figurine. I don't know if I want to scatter her ashes, I still want her close to me at the moment. I also want to get a really nice pic of her framed and put next to the pot when I can face looking at the pic all the time, I can't at the moment. I just need to pick a picture first.
Chutney gives a mew to you all by the way. She has really come into her own in the past two weeks; more affectionate but more noisy and I even spotted her sitting in Bear's bed the other day (never done that before).
I really wish I had asked for some of her fur, its so unique and I miss her little belly fluff. Night night Bear, no more pain. :brokenheart:
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Have a big lump in my throat just reading that Mojo :hug: She's running free at the Bridge now :hug:
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Sorry for your loss Mojo :'(
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Back home where she belongs :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry about Mango Bear :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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:hug: :hug:.x
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Back home safe sweetie where you belong! :hug: :hug: :hug: