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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: clarenmax on July 17, 2009, 12:37:49 PM
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Can you believe its a month since my boy went blind, and we going for a check up at 6.35 this evening, to see how his meds are going, and more importantly, to see if he's now fit enough to have the dental I'm sure he needs!
Vibes would be appreciated, he's been a bit quiet the last day or so, but I think that because he's still adjusting to how things are now. He seems happy enough and is eating and toileting fine, its just that he seems to have a really short attention span now, where we used to play certain games for ages, he'll do a few minutes then sit down again!
I'm not sure if we're blood testing as well tonight, so will keep you posted later on :)
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Lots of good wishes for max :hug:
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:luck: Max :hug:
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good luck Max - can't believe it is a month already Clare :hug:
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Good luck to you both everything crossed here at the Clan for you both :hug:
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Sending tons of positive vibes for Max~~~~~~Good Luck! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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:thanks: hunnies, I'll let you know what vet Claire says later on xx
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Lots of love and positive vibes for Max xxx Good luck at the vets tonight xxx
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Sending tons of good vibes to a very special boy xxxxxx
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Millions of vibes coming your way :hug:
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Sending a billion vibes x
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Good luck! :hug:
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Tons of positive vibes coming your way for Max, hope everything goes okay with the vet visit :hug:
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Sending lots of good vibes and love for Max. :hug: :hug:
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Not good news guys :'(
He's lost quite a bit more weight in the last 2 months, and his kidneys are huge - with all his issues, Claire said its actually a miracle that he's still with us :'(
She doesn't want to do the dental, too risky, and if he's not got long left, then its not fair to put him through it. She's given him a 2wk antibiotic jab to hopefully make his mouth feel a little bit better.
So not the news I was hoping for really - my little man is slipping away from me and there's not a thing I can to stop this... its breaking my heart :'( :'(
Our CP co-ordinator was in there when I came out of the surgery, and I just broke down, I couldn't hold it after I saw her :'(
I just can't bear this :(
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Sorry Clare - I don't know what to say :'( :hug:
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Oh No :'( He looked so fit and healthy in that video the other day :( It's just not fair :hug:
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Clare so very sorry :hug: there may be nothing you can do to stop your little man slipping away, but you can continue to enjoy the special relationship you share,its hard but look at your little man with pride and enjoy every minute with him :hug:
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Clare not sure what to say but Max is still Max and you are still his Mum so enjoy your times and create more wonderful memories of this special boy :hug:
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Oh hun i am so sorry. :'( I wish i could give you a big hug :hug: We are here all the time for you hun.
Give Darlin Max a cuddle from me too. :hug:
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Oh sweet heart :hug: :hug: i am so sorry. :(
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Thanks hunnies :hug: :hug:
For now he's good, he's happy, he's still trying to steal chips off my plate :Luv2:
Its just the fact that he's going downhill so fast that's hard to see, Claire said that it might be cancerous cells, so does that mean tumours making his kidneys huge?
Not sure really, wasn't really in the right frame of mind to ask too many sensible questions :shy:
However, she does think he might still have some sight in one of his eyes (which I thought all along), as the retina only looks partially detached now, so whether its reattached or what who know - he's already my little miracle man by all accounts, so I woudn't be surprised :Luv2:
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Sorry to hear this Clare :hug: and huge hugs to Max xx
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I just love Max and have since I first saw him, so can undersatand how you feel and I am so sorry :hug: :hug:
Clare so very sorry :hug: there may be nothing you can do to stop your little man slipping away, but you can continue to enjoy the special relationship you share,its hard but look at your little man with pride and enjoy every minute with him :hug:
What Teresa says is so right and if he is still stealing your chips then he may defy the vets for a time :hug: :hug:
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Sorry to hear the news Clare, glad Max isnt too fazed by it all and I wish you both some good quality time to enjoy your special relationship! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Im so sorry to hear the news wasnt good :hug: take lots of photo,s to make an album to look back on when the inevitable time comes,and until then treasure every moment with this special little man and take one day at a time, :hug: :hug:
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I am sorry that the vet wasn't more positive and I hope Max proves her wrong. Did she recommend blood testing in case his meds need readjusting, which might help?
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She didn't think it was worth putting him through more blood testing etc at the moment, she's amazed that he's still alive full stop at the moment. His bloods were only done quite recently anyway, so we're fairly sure the levels of his treatments are OK at the moment. What's strange is that his creatinine levels had been decreasing, so she's perplexed as to what is going on really. All I know is that his kidneys feel about twice their normal size, and she mentioned cancer cells, by that point I was getting too upset to really deal with it all.
She's basically said keep him happy and comfortable, for as long as that may be, and that he really is a miracle boy :Luv2:
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I am so sorry to hear that your baby is ill. I too am about to lose my first ever cat. Who is now 9. I really feel for you and want you to know you aren't alone. x
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OMG Clare that was NOT what I thought i was going to read :'( :hug:
I'm actually lost for words ...You must be so shocked
Hoping the AB injection does something to help
Sending Max a huge kiss....
Gentle hugs to You Clare xxx
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:care: Just wanted to send you guys one of these.
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I just wonder if it is worth doing them just in case the vet is wrong and there can be some kind of treatment.
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Oh hunnie :hug:
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Take care Clare
:hug: :hug: to you and Max
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Not sure if this is any help but has the vet yested for PKD? - still not good but cats can live for years with it. The test is an ultrsound. Sorry if this is no help Clare but I always question vets/doctors as they aren't always right :hug:
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What's pkd Mark xxx
Any suggestions welcome, I'm willing to try anything for my wee man :Luv2:
I will get together a list of questions and email them to her.
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Sorry to hear it wasn't the news you were hoping for, but sounds as if your miracle boy still has some fight left yet :hug:
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What's pkd Mark xxx
Any suggestions welcome, I'm willing to try anything for my wee man :Luv2:
I will get together a list of questions and email them to her.
It's Polycystic Kidney disease - usually persians get it but I'm sure other cats can get it too. There is an explanation here which says an ultrasound will confirm so it's non-invasive http://www.cat-world.com.au/PolycysticKidneyDisease.htm
I have done so much googling since Clapon was diagnosed - even looking into transplants although I still haven't found anywhere in the UK. There is also the ethical dilemna :(
Maybe just clutching at straws - who knows what our mogs have in their lineage?
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Thanks Mark, have just been onto the site.
The treatment is no different to what we've already been doing unfortunately, as the cysts cause renal failure anyway, so whatever is causing his enlarged kidneys, I doubt the outcome would be any different.
I will ask our vet though :hug:
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Sorry to hear this Clare :hug: If it is PKD, then you are right, the treatment is no different, my Suzie and Jasper both had PKD. Suzie had sub q's for her last month which helped her feel better. Its been a problem in persians, and also many other breeds, but isnt exclusive to peds. Its interesting his creatinine has be reducing though - maybe there is just an infection going on and the abs will help, don't know if an infection would enlarge the kidneys though, possibly could I would have thought. I'd have a chat with the vet again when you are feeling a bit less upset. :hug:
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At the moment I just want to make him eat more if I can, his weight loss has been quite dramatic over the last month since she last saw him, so if, and its a huge if, I can get him to put some weight back on, we may have a slightly better chance to keep him going. His renal diet is not appealing to him at the moment, so I'm feeding him whatever he wants right now with phospherous binder in it, it may speed up the downfall of his kidneys, but if these truly are his last weeks/months, whatever he has left, I want him to enjoy them, and if it means he gets food he actually likes, then thats what I'll do.
He's still wanting to play, albeit only in very short bursts now, then he wants to chill out and snooze again, so he's not ready to give up yet, and hopefully he'll carry on like this for a while longer!
I will speak to the vet about any other food which might build him up a bit again, I've got to get some more vidalta tabs next week so will have my list of questions ready by then.
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I would feed whatever within reason Clare, they stand a lot more chance with a bit of weight on....here's hoping that our gorgeous Max finds something that he loves and long may he reign! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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At the moment I just want to make him eat more if I can,
so I'm feeding him whatever he wants right now with phospherous binder in it, it may speed up the downfall of his kidneys, but if these truly are his last weeks/months, whatever he has left, I want him to enjoy them, and if it means he gets food he actually likes, then thats what I'll do.
Yes, definitely feed him what he wants to eat, it won't speed up the kidney failure, phos binders will reduce phos load going through kidneys anyway. :hug:
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Don't worry Clare - it is well documented now that the low protein thing for cats is an outdated myth.The original tests were done on rats and applied to cats and dogs - in fact too little protein causes muscle and organ wastage so a good binder with regular food is probably beter than renal food. The only other difference AFAIK is they add extra vitamin E to renal food. There is also mounting evidence that prebiotics and fish oil (and other long-chain EFAs support kidneys ) :hug:
I would avoid fish though at this stage as it is very high phosphorus.
Are you using Renalzin? - apparently it is the best one. Willow has it but Clapton refuses to eat food with it so I have to use Ipakitine.
I also have some Rubenal (prebiotic) kidney support but haven't started using it yet.
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I will speak to the vet about any other food which might build him up a bit again, I've got to get some more vidalta tabs next week so will have my list of questions ready by then.
Clare i have some Vidalta 10mg left its 11 tablets , if you want iam more than happy to send it for Max. Also have bottle of Renalzin which i used twice but Phoebe wont eat her food if i add any! If you do want any of them pm me your address and i post them to you.
Sending more good vibes and love to Max.x :hug:
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Oh Clare :hug:
Only just seen this, sending lots of love for you and Max :hug:
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OH Clare , just seen this and I'm so sorry. Maxy is a fighter tho , and I am sure he will be around for a while yet. :hug: :hug:
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I agree about giving him what he wants to eat Clare, the vet said with Schui that any food was better than none and so long as he is happy that's the main thing, glad to hear he is still enjoying have a little play :hug:
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So sorry to read this, it's the kind of news we don't want to hear but time after time, we are confronted with it :(
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OMG Clare thats not what I thought I was going to be reading when I opened the thread, :hug: :hug: to you and Max
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Only just seen this, I'm really sorry :(
:hug: to you and Max :hug:
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Clare - hope you don't mind but another straw here. If it is PDK, Pottassium Chloride is supposed to help and it is one of the ingredients of RC Persian food.
It says here that Pottasium Gluconate is preferable http://www.felinegood.co.uk/treatments/en/potassium.shtml
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a big hug for Max :hug: and his mum :hug: I hope that you still have quite some time together and know just how it feels to wonder what to feed and how if you give the "wrong" food that somehow you may be hurting him. I'm not sure about the foods and how much they help or hinder anyhow, if you aren't feeding them for years I mean - can he tolerate binders? My Max now just eats Applaws as it's what he likes, but I'm still trying renal k/d with Swampy as he likes it, but has just gone off all food so no doubt will soon be in the same boat with him.
All I do know is that fish isn't a good idea which is a pity as when they feel yuk, sardines in tomato sauce seems to go down better than anything else.
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I've been out this lunchtime and bought a few boxes of senior Oh So Meaty, as I know he will usually eat that, and the binder powder gets absorbed quite easily into the juice as well, so that should hopefully tempt him. He's also got Natures Menu as a smoother pate style option, as with his teeth I think he has trouble with some of the larger chunks like Felix. I've also bought him some ordinary dry food as opposed to his usual renal biscuits, I'll mix them in so its half and half, just so he gets a few more interesting flavours, as the renal stuff is just so bland :sick:
Its a shame the fishy ones are bad, as they smell so much more tempting and he always eats them, so again will use these as a last resort with the phospherous binder in them, to make it a little less bad!
Apparently he's eaten a little bit this afternoon, but not a huge amount, so I'll have to try and tempt him when I get home with something yummy :)
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My Max now just eats Applaws as it's what he likes, but I'm still trying renal k/d with Swampy as he likes it, but has just gone off all food so no doubt will soon be in the same boat with him.
All I do know is that fish isn't a good idea which is a pity as when they feel yuk, sardines in tomato sauce seems to go down better than anything else.
I can always guarantee with my Mr Max that a bowl of chicken and cheese will be hoovered up almost immediately, I've got a few tins of that in reserve as well!
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oh Clare I'm just catching up and I am sorry to hear this
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:hug: :hug: for you and Max, Clare
Trigger always leaves lumps, so I mash them up with a fork, with extra water added
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Hey everyone, just popping on to say thanks again for all your good wishes.
I'm sure they're helping my boy, although life in our household has slowed down a lot, he still seems content for now. He's not just sitting in one place, which I'm taking to be a good sign. He varies between the 2 sofas, and the windowledge at the moment. He still goes downstairs fine to his tray, and the last 2 mornings he's come downstairs for his brekkie, whereas the days before I'd bought it up to him to try and encourage him to eat a bit more.
I know our time is limited, I don't think he's putting any weight on that's for sure, but as long as he's happy and enjoying the basics, then I will let him hang in there :Luv2:
I'm not sure how I'm feeling right now? I go from having a good couple of days, being able to talk to people about Max and the problems we're having, whereas last night just this wave of emotion overtook me, and I just started sobbing the bath :'( I guess its normal, not having ever been through this before? Highs and lows I guess?
Anyhoo, thanks for listening :hug:
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Yes its good that he moving around and coming down for things and you are right the ups and downs of your emotions are quite normal. Enjoy every day with him, handsome Max :hug: :hug:
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Glad he's still doing well Clare and make the most of your special time together :hug:
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Im glad to hear that Max is in good form, sounds like he has picked up over the last couple of days! More positive vibes for him hun~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
Your reactions are normal Clare, our big old silly hearts and heads dont take this too well and thats why our furbabes are to be so well commended!
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I guess its normal, not having ever been through this before? Highs and lows I guess?
Completely. I was like that with Tobes when it hit me how ill he was. I think part of you pretends it isn't happening and every now and again reality slaps you and makes you face up to it.
Glad Max is doing well - if he'll allow a fuss I'm sending him one! ;) And sending you one of these: :hug: