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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa) on March 12, 2007, 10:54:10 AM
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She still cant give me an answer
this is getting stupid now
she said if she was pregnant she is carrying a small amount of kittens and could be hiding them
her final word were " i cant tell u yes or no because i really can not be sure "
i said to my oh about taking her to a different vets for a second opinon
the other vets is much further away and id need a taxi there and back
what do u guys think?
should i get a second opinion now ?
is it normal for a vet to still not know ??????
no one understands i just need to know now !
i need to get things ready if she was pregnant
and if she aint i just want to get her spayed and get it over with now
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Is there not some kind of test or scan they can do (I am not sure if that would be really expensive though?)
I would expect a vet to be able to give you that kind of info!
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She still cant give me an answer
Did you answer you own question a couple of days ago.?
Thanks Ela yea i dont mind admitting im wrong when i am wrong ,and yes if the vet still cant feel anything then she will defo be spayed this week
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I think your vet has been pretty fair, he has examined but cannot commit himself to giving you a 100% clear cut yes or know answer. The only other thing i think you could do is find out if your vet or the other practice has an ultrasound machine and get that done. wasnt she meant to be 4 or 5 wks if she was pregnant (sorry if i have that wrong) i'd have expected the vet to be more confident if she was but as he said there may be only 1 or 2 kittens and she may have an amount of abdominal fat etc which can pad her out or pehaps her bowel was full of faeces aswell and it can be abit hard to differenciate.
apart from the ultra sound theres the xray option, a one off x ray doesnt ever seem to harm kittens (i think in humans the main concern is for the foetuses reproductive organs which in cats not an issue as they should be neutered) but then that would mean a sedative to xray and i dont know if thats abit much where as you could prepare anyway and wait another couple of week,
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True
i think im gonna get one more vet to have a feel thou
the vet i saw today said as soon as i make the decision they will spay her the vvery next day for me
the voucher runs out this week aswell
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i just had another thought, if she has been pregnant but the kitten hasnt been viable then she may be reabsorbing / mumifying and that could be why she's not back into season.
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wats that mean viable??????? dead????????????????????????????????????????
sorry im a bit thick
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i just rang the other vets , i can take her weds morning
they said theres no reason why a vet shouldnt be able to tell either way at 5 weeks gone
also they said if i wanted a scan its £52 pound
so it aint too bad i guess is it .
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Not vialble , yes that would be dead :(
I think that is good to try a different vets, good luck
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fanks
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i know some vets who openly admit to not being good at say palpating an enlarged thyroid gland etc so i guess it might be the same as abdo palps but im sure if it was clear cut they'd have felt it...but hey i could be very wrong
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When my aunts cat was about 2 weeks the vets could feel them so I dont know why your vet cant. Id say take her to another vets as if she isnt pregnant she needs to be done soon.
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When my aunts cat was about 2 weeks the vets could feel them so I dont know why your vet cant.
To be honest I think the vet may have been feeling a bit of wind, ;D as it would be extremely unusual for a vet to tell by feel at 2 weeks.
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Oh well she was pregnant anyways, but my aunt didn't keep the kittens cos she would worry about them going to good homes. But with her other female cat she did let her have the kittens, I suppose it stays in the conscience.
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i agree with ela, very unusual to feel at 2 wks as the uterine horns barely showing rounded swellings then but i guess the vet would have had a 50 % chance of giving the right answer :rofl:
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forever are you going to take her to be scanned do you think ?
I'm not sure if they extend the dates on your voucher or not but if you can afford £52 for a scan does that mean you can afford the spay aswell and perhaps save the cpl abit of money ? (if it was a cpl voucher, im not sure what type you said it was)
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i WOULD GO FOR THE SCAN.
Cant believe vet cant tell if she is pregnant or not
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Im defo taking her to the other vets weds
and if i get " i cant be sure"
then she will have to have a scan to get it over n done with
coz i h8 not knowing
lynn : i cant afford the 50 odd quid but imo its quite important i know why my cat aint come in season
as earlier u were even saying there might be a kitten dead inside her
as for the cpl voucher
Ela said yesterday that she would even give one to a millionare and wouldnt mind
thing is b4 shes spayed
she either needs a scan to make sure theres nothing there
or she needs to give birth
and buy paying for the scan id not be able to pay an extra 47 quid for the spay
so its a good job do have the voucher
no offence but i said yesterday in one of my posts me and the oh was thinking of donating summit to ela cpl as a thanks for the 3 vouchers
plus everytime the cpl is in asdas collecting money or food we always give them some food and cat litter
so its not as if we take and give nothing back .
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I didnt realise it was Ela who gave you the vouchers, infact i'd missed all the bit about vouchers till you mentioned it running out. Looking at it logically if you go to another vet you'll be the price of a consult on top of the scan fee. Personally if a second vet cant feel anything conclusive esp as you think she's closer to 5 wks, i wouldnt feel a need to spend £50 on a scan and i'd use the voucher for her spay then donate the £50, or if not donate it then keep it to pay for the kitten neuter if indeed she goes on to have one ;D
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i dont have to pay for a consultation as they said they will b booking her in as a pre op check which is free of charge and they said they wouldnt charge anything for simply feeling a cats tummy to c if shes pregnant .
the thing is u have worried me a lot be saying there could b a dead kitten inside her and that could be stopping her from coming into season
that is why i thought the scan would b a good idea
if a cat does have a dead kitten inside her then wat do they do ???
a spay and remove it the same time or wat???????
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there is no need to worry if the cat is 100% well in herself. If she had an infection etc she'd be febrile (high temp) and prob off her food perhaps polydipsic (drinking more) amongst various other symptoms.
get the other vet to have a good feel..if he/she is certain they can feel a kitten(s) then fine but I think it would probably be unlikely 2 vets would be unsure bearing in mind she'll be a few days further on when you go to the 2nd vet. so if the second vet cannot say with great certainty that they can feel a kitten then just go and get her spayed as you said the other day you were going to do. If the 2nd vet thinks they can feel a kitten(s) which in their opinion are normal sized for estimated gestation then carry on with the pregnancy as you had planned.
Many animals can carry a pregnancy with foetuses that have died without any ill effects.
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Good luck for WEd, I do hope you can get an answer, and I agree with Lynn, if they still can't tell for definite on Wed, then I would book her in
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Its one thing after another
Now Today she seems to have the runs :'( :'(
shes been 3times today
she hasnt eat nothing different to any of the others :'(
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Lynn, is there some kind of blood/urine test for pregnancy in cats, as in humans? If so, surely this would be cheaper that a scan.
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I am sure when I have looked into that Hippy the answer has been no, but i could be wrong. It woudl certainly be cheaper and easier than a scan though.
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i been away today so just saw the question. I agree that really there must be a test infact i could near swear there would be one but where you send the blood off to etc i do not know...ive never been personally involved what that but it is hard to believe there isnt such a thing. I know in horses they can even run tests on the colostrum which will basically tell how soon labour is going to be (but then again that was a billionare in abu dhabi i seen getting that done on his horses :rofl:)
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I also am not totally sure but i have a feeling that there isn`t. There is a blood test that can show whether a cat is spayed as far as i know but not pregnant.
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really amanda, could you find out more about that for us please as you are in a position to do so. It makes sense that there could be ie testing oestrogen etc levels.
Im still sure that they could test the equivelent of hcg in humans.
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hey i just had a google and found this..will need to look into it further
DIAGNOSIS OF PREGNANCY
The owner may notice that the unspayed female is rounder than usual and that her nipples have become prominent (called “pinking up”). This may not be noticeable until well into advanced pregnancy depending on how observant the owner is, how large the litter is etc. There are several ways to confirm feline pregnancy:
Blood test: The Witness Pregnancy Test is approved for both canine and feline use and can be performed in about 15 minutes at your vet’s office. She must be about 30-35 days into the pregnancy for this.
Ultrasound: Ultrasound can readily confirm pregnancy at approximately 22-25 days of pregnancy but is not readily available in all animal hospitals.
Radiology: At about 45 days of pregnancy, the kittens will have mineralized their skeletons and be visible on an x-ray. This is the only procedure that reliably can determine how many kittens to expect.
Palpation: some veterinarians are talented enough to feel the developing kittens between days 17 and 25.
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question officially answered.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1439-0531.2006.00736.x?journalCode=rda
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That is really interesting Lynn.
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yes but unsure as of yet if these can be sourced in uk ? but very good to know for future ref !
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Yes it is and the last one very interesting cos the implied thought is that most vets are not good enough to do this !
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i dont think it was purposely meaning that gill but as i metioned before many vets will openly admit they arent so good at palpations as others they know, a female vet i worked with was EXCEPTIONALLY good at that and my boss always got her to feel for thyroids etc. I guess more experienced vets would also be generally better at it than new grads etc.
I see in the link i gave that cambridge vet uni is mentioned so perhaps if anyone felt inclined they could send an email and enquire further, perhaps they are the only ones who stock this test and bloods have to be sent there ??
I was just thinking about this more logically and wandering why it wouldnt be more readily available and the conclusion i have come to is that it would mainly be in the breeding world that it would be used and most experienced breeders can most often tell without tests normally also i suppose it would all add to the cost of breeding so less profit to be made whereas they could just "wait and see", however i could see them using it if their pet was suspected of repeatedly falling pregnant but then the pregnancys never advancing or something like that.
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How is Makosi today? What time are you at the vets?
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she seems fine in herself :thanks:
at vets at 12.30
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Spay on Monday then with any luck.
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Forever, if she still has a temp today, do quiz the vet about pyometra, as Lynn posted above, a temp is one of the signs. Fingers crossed it is just a coincidence though, and she is fine to be spayed on Mon.
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How did you get on?
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the vet said makosi had a slight temprature today but this could be due to the fact it was so warm in the car and in the clinic and because she is so nervous at the vets ,her heart beat was going crazy :Crazy:
he said see if she carrys on being ok over the weekend or if she goes bk to being quiet and sleeping a lot again as now the antibiotic injection has worn off , i never mentioned about the pyo thing coz i only just seen the post now , he said he is willing to give her another full check over on monday even if she seems ok then book her in to b spayed the next day .
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how stupid is that, i would have had you in on monday morning and if she was fine then keep her to spay on the same day !! saves stress for you and masoki travelling back and forth..
oh well hope she is and finally gets done on tues then.
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yea i cant wait to get her spayed
then all mine would of been done .
no more worry about pregnany etc lol
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Is she not pregnant then? Havent been following
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95 percent sure she isnt pregnant
ive had 2 different vets examine her now
and they reckon theyd be able to feel the kittens at this stage
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Fingers crossed she is still fine on Mon and can be spayed - I would have thought they would book her in in case she is fine personally.
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they said they only need to give the hospital where they do it 24hrs notice so thats prob why they havent booked a date , so if i go monday and shes fine they will b more than happy to carry out the spay tuesday .
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ITs just that if they had booked her on Mon, you could have taken her and if she was fine been done there and then, rather than waiting another day, and another journey for you and her as well.
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how stupid is that, i would have had you in on monday morning and if she was fine then keep her to spay on the same day !!
I agree I think this is getting very silly now. Are your vets charging you a consultation fee each time you go?
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No shes just going as a pre op check each time
as they know all i wanted was an answer and now all i want is her to b fit as a fiddle and to b spayed
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No shes just going as a pre op check each time
Some vets charge for a pre op check and I know if one vet who will try to charge for stitch removal, if challenged they say Oh! sorry our mistake. Of course if I know anyone going to that vet I wouldn't dream of advising them, that would not be right, would it? ;)
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my vet is pretty good
for example last time i wormed my cats i had terrible problems with molly taking the tablet
i tried everything i put it in a bit of chicken ,i tried putting it in tuna
and i tried putting it down the bk of her throat and my god the fuss she made !
when i told the vet she said " bring her in here during open surgery and ill pop it down her for u and i wont charge u nothing "
well i went throu 3 tablets and they were all ruined after putting them in food etc so instead of buying another one i just bought that profender stuff and put that on the back of her neck .
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my vet is pretty good
Sorry I thought you had taken Makosi to a different vet for the 2nd opinion and kept going back there.
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well myself, Ela and Des all in agreement ... hey not often you get that LOL so we MUST be right.. :rofl:
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no offence but im sure a day or two wont matter will it , she will be spayed next week and thats all that matters imo
But i am making sure shes 110 percent fit n well thats why im getting her checked over monday ,
I Know u all only have cats best interests at heart
but i can honestly say NO vet i have ever seen in all the time ive had my animals have been obsessed with cats being spayed n neutered for health reasons they have only ever said " if u dont intend to let her have kittens then id advice a spay "
i get the impression that u all think theres some kind of reason i dont want my cat to b spayed !!!!
i have 4 other females who r all spayed and 2 males who r both neutered
and makosi will be spayed too
but imo it doesnt matter if its monday tues weds as long as its done .
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It matters because the longer you procrastinate, the greater the risk that she will accidentally get pregnant.
And... I've got to be honest here I felt very anxious about getting my girls spayed but I did it absolutely ASAP because it is the right thing to do.
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She didnt get pregnant while she was on season and there was an uneutered male 6mthold kitten here ,( which the vet thought was odd)
so i know she wont get pregnant between now and 2/3days time as the kitten max is neutered now and makosi hasnt come in season since beggining feb (very odd yet the vet dont seem worried at the mo)
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think you misunderstood what we were meaning about taking her next week..A lot of the time pre op checks are done and then supposing the cat is fine they are then spayed on that day. However you are having your pre op check the day before she is booked in to be spayed which just seems like extra hassle for you (to'ing and fro'ing the vets) and stress for puss being carted back and forth.
Theres no problem with the way your vet has organised it as its obvious you are determined to have her spayed next week regardless of which day that is.
The only reason we may seem obsessed with it here is A) we probably have more time to go into the full ifs and buts than what your vet does (time is money after all) and B) when people follow our advice it saves all the upset and worry youve had in the first place ;D
How is she doing anyway ? back to normal etc ?
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yep so far all is well shes eating drinking and playing
she gets angry when max trys to jump on her thou ,
hopefully soon his horrmones would have settled down a bit as its 2weeks since he has been neutered now .
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but i can honestly say NO vet i have ever seen in all the time ive had my animals have been obsessed with cats being spayed n neutered for health reasons they
All I can say to this is I don't know a vet who is not keen to neuter and spay, and I deal with over 50 vet practices all emplpying other vets. Any vet worth his salt knows the implications of of late neuters and spays.
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I agree that it's a bit odd the way the vet has arranged it with 2 trips in 2 days when 1 would have done. I know my vets (like most I imagine) do a pre op check up before a neuter or spay to make sure the cat is fit and healthy and that the op can go ahead. It would have made more sense for it all to have been done on one day (whether it be Monday or Tuesday). If she hadn't been well enough then the spay just wouldn't have gone ahead.
I think the reasons most peeps on here are more vociferous in their views re spaying and neutering is that many are involved in rescue and so see firsthand the consequences of not spaying and neutering, whether that be unwanted kittens, illnesses such as mammary cancer or pyometria, RTAs and injuries caused by unneutered cats fighting or roaming in search of a mate etc. I don't doubt your determination to get Makosi neutered but unneutered cats can be very determined in getting out to seek a mate and every day that passes with her unneutered carries with it a risk that she'll get out and get herself up the duff! But I know you're aware of that and are doing everything you can to get her spayed as soon as she'd well enough so fingers crossed it all goes ahead without incident next week.
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Nah she would never get out
all my house is all secure and windows are only opened with a safety lock that just opens about an inch ,
imo shes defo bk to her normal self now
and theres no reason why she cant b spayed next week .
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I hate to say it but the first part of your last post reminds me of the term "famous last words"! I hope you're right.
I'm very keen on spaying even though I don't work in cat rescue, because I have been to rescues and seen all the poor cats waiting for homes. It's heartbreaking.
Good luck for next week. I do agree with Lynn that it would make more sense and save you trouble if your vet did the spay on the same day as the examination. That's what mine have always done. Not long ago Polly needed an op to remove a lump. I took her in the morning and left her there. The vet did pre op checks and phoned me with the result of her blood tests (to tell me her kidneys were a tiny bit wonky and ask if I wanted to go ahead, I said yes) and then did the op, phoning me again when Polly came round. (We were concerned about her age.) This saved me the hassle of to-ing and fro-ing to the vet. It makes more sense.
Could you rearrange things with your vet? Take your cat in on tuesday morning and leave her to be examined and spayed. Cancel monday.
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yea i suppose i could ask .
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The main reason we all think it is odd is that it is making things harder on you and Makosi, having to do so many trips. As I foster, my vets have always waived a pre-op check a day before, and do everything on the day for me. My other reason for being anxious is that while it is only days between, there is that risk she will get out - the amount of times I read on forums that 'my cat can't get out' yet they end up pregnant is unbelievable, it is a daily occurence at times - and I know how easy it is to let cats out accidentally myself. Plus, there is a risk of pyometra the longer she is left unspayed, and this can happen weeks after a heat. Plus, males can produce sperm for anything up to 6 weeks after a neuter, so depending on when he was done, there is a chance that is why he is bothering her. We are only thinking about Makosi's health and wellbeing, however it may come across.
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yea i know u r and thank u
i will ring the vet and ask if she can be checked over and spayed the same day instead of me going there twice .
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Your welcome, I am so glad that she is going to be spayed now, but please do me a favour and check her breasts on a monthly basis, and any slight change, get her to the vets. Trust me, you dont want to get told that she has mammary cancer but it is too late to do anything about it, and it is one that if caught early enough, can be treated.
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what do i need to look out for when feeling them ?lumps?
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Any slight change in them, so best to start now, so you know what normal is for her. And any slight change at all, a vet visit is in order - it is better if you can pick things up before they get to noticeable lumps. It literally is seconds of a job every month, but could make such a difference to her life.
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ok i will start checking them .
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This may sound strange, but I have a little game with my cats to check them. I play 'tickly nipples', they love it.
When they are sitting on my lap, I'll rub their tums, paying special attention to their nipples. They go all silly.
Some female cats will only let you rub their underbelly for a certain time before they attack, even if they seem to be enjoying it. So the first time you do this, beware.
Hope everything goes well.
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This may sound strange, but I have a little game with my cats to check them. I play 'tickly nipples', they love it.
Although all my females were spayed before their first season so the chances of getting mammary tumors would be very negligible, I would know if there was anything amiss when I groomed them. Also it is not unknown for a tom cat to have a mammary tumor, rare but possible.
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I do something similar with Molly, but Tiger isn't good at being touched in general, never mind her belly. As I got both mine as oldies, I dont know when they were spayed.
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all of mine will let us touch them anywhere apart from molly who is a bit feral due to her past life ,
i had a feel and u can feel them and they all feel the same .
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Have you got her booked in to be spayed yet? :)
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Have you got her booked in to be spayed yet?
Was just looking for the topic to ask the question and you have done it for me.