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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on February 27, 2009, 19:40:42 PM
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I've had Ollie to the vets today and have been given some Antirobe, Im hoping for a drastic improvement. My worry is trying to get them into him, the vet said they dont normally use them for cats because they are hard to get down, but he knows they work very well for dogs.
So how am I going to get them into him? Ollie is very good at taking his steriods they are only small pills, but this Antirobe is capsules about 2cm long. The vet said I can open the capsule and put it into tuna or something, but Ollie dosnt like tuna :)
So for others that have to use capsules, how do you get the cat to take it? I have been thinking mix with a little water in a syringe, but Im worried he may not get the effect. He needs this whole course in the hope it will kill the infection.
I will use this thread to keep updates of Ollies progress, hopefully he's going to get back to normal ;D
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Cat milk, that's what Byron's goes into and she drinks it no problem! she has milk every morning but if she has to have 2 a day then she gets a treat a little milk later on, even in a spoonful she will take in dead easy ;D good luck. In fact i've just been saying she needs a repeat prescription as her tooth is looking off again and he breath smelling and I'll be doing that.
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Ahh Ollie does like milk :sneaky:
So will the powder totally dissolve in the milk?
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The milk sounds like a winner but if not you could try mixing it in with a bit of beef sandwich paste :luck:
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The milk was a winner, 2 full capsules, well the powder downed in one go. And he even licked the bowl clean ;D Hoping for a good out come, for Ollie's sake. :)
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Thats sounds good, well done Ollie ;D
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;D So glad it worked and it's so much easier than faffing, regarding dissolving I just give it a stir it doesn't dissolve much but still goes down although I guess you fathomed that :evillaugh:
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Hope antirobe works for Ollie. :)
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Last night after the tablets there was quite a bit of green pussy salava and blood around his mouth, drawing out the infection I think, I hope. He seems ok today, I haven't had to clean his mouth this morning, he just had a milk goatie :evillaugh:
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my 2 get milky chins :evillaugh: sounds like the infection is coming out very much like an absess, poor boy should start to feel better soon.
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I can't believe your vets reasoning for not using Antirobe, it is such an easy med to get into them, despite the size. Sam's had two full courses in cat milk, and we cant open his mouth unless there is two of us. Fingers crossed it helps, but I definitely rate it in dental issues - jsut a shame Tino got clavaseptin.
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Im pleased you got some, was going to find your last post to ask ;D Antirobe is one of the easiest things to hide in food so you may like to tell the vet that :shocked:
Its much better in food as if the capsule gets stuck it can cause problems.
What was the vets feeling on changing to metacam?
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Sending positive vibes for the med change to make a significant difference for the better! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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MM I only asked for the Antirobe while I was there, there is no way of reducing the steriods atm. Thats something we will look into once this infection has gone.
I dont feel Ollie is doing too good. I think he is loosing weight, which is never a good sign. I really dont know what can be done if this infection doesn't clear up. I feel like Im slowly loosing him. For the most part of his life he has been fighting this constant battle, he was diagnosed at 6 months old. That's a lot for one little cat to go through and I really feel he has been suffering for most of this time, although there have been times he has been really well also.
I just dont know what to do. Sometimes I have thought I am just keeping him here for my own selfish reasons, the reason being I dont want to loose him but then he will get well again and Im left feeling what was the worry for. But seriously tho I dont think in my heart thats he's going to pull through this, not this time. I just have a feeling that the end of his days are coming very soon.
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:hug: It's so hard trying to do the "right thing" for them :(
Have yo asked the vet is he thinks Ollie is in pain? - I haven't read all the posts but if he is, surely he would also be given some Metacam?
Lets hope the Antirobe helps :hug:
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I can understand how you feel we're going through the same right now with Schui, one minute he seems ok then the next he doesn't and it is so hard to know what to do, I'll be having a chat with the vet if Schui continues like this :hug: for you and Ollie xx
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CC, it's hard to know what to do for the best sometimes. I know you'll do what's right by Ollie even if it's that you feel you have to let him go. Sending fuss to Ollie and :hug: to you.
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Mind you its still early days for the antirobe to work so positive vibes on their way~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both! x
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Mind you its still early days for the antirobe to work so positive vibes on their way~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both! x
it is, I had to ring for a second lot for Byron
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Do hope this works and understand like Janeyk how you feel cos of Franta :hug:
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Fingers crossed they work - its a shame the steroid can't be weaned, as I bet he would feel better with an anti-inflammatory than steroid.
Mark - Ollie can't have Metacam because of him being on steroids.
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Des, before Christmas we were in the process of weaning him off the steriods, he was getting half a day, then half every other day. This is when things started to go wrong. He's had this infection since Christmas so I have to keep giving him the steriods as it's a matter of keeping him well. As soon as this infection clears up his steriods will be looked at again and we will try to work out how to reduce them again.
You see I dont know if this infection has occured because of reducing the steriods, he was fine for 10 months and hadn't needed any antibiotics during this time. It's when I started reducing the steriods things started getting bad again, so really I dont know if it has been the reduce or not?
He's been ok today, had lots of salava last night, and had to clean his mouth today. It's been quite a lot really just hope it's the infection coming out and not getting worse.
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Poor boy, hope it clears up soon maybe give your vets a call and see what they think?
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I suspect it is the steroids that caused it CC, as they lower the immune system and resistance, so they ultimately make mouth issues worse - and as he wasn't on a decent antibiotic, it could be why it has lasted so long, it is probably very deep rooted by now - I had the same with 2 of my fosters, they had a steroid jab and Convenia, and it did nothing, they then had to have Antirobe 2 weeks later to clear it up.
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How many days treatment does he have? It can take a long course to shift such a bad infection :hug:
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He's got 10 days worth. He's not been as bad today but still the green at the side of his mouth. I have to take him back on Monday and am scared incase he is loosing weight. :(
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Still been getting the green around his mouth, its quite a bit and has been leaving long drool. He's at the vets tomorrow so we will see whats said. He will be ok with another course of Antirobe wont he? How long can he be kept on Antirobe if there are no signs of the infection clearing up? Where would I go from here :scared:
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Can't offer any advice but hope Ollie is soon better :hug:
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Mine have had 4 weeks before, hope your appointment went ok :hug:
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How did it go?
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It didnt go. I went and after a long wait the nurse came out and said my vet was not on today. It was packed and I think someone had just had their dog put to sleep, so I just wanted to get out of there!
My vet is on tomorrow so will be going back then :tired:
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hope all goes well tomorow :hug:
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He's got 10 days worth. He's not been as bad today but still the green at the side of his mouth. I have to take him back on Monday and am scared incase he is loosing weight. :(
Byron had a weeks worth and I rang for a second lot because it didn't clear hers up. It still looks dodgey and she could do with some more which I'll probably pick up when I go back. Vet told me to keep hers under control she would be ok to take a course every few weeks or so on repeat prescription as she's old and her last 2 teeth can't be removed they were too far in the jaw.
Good luck with the appt :hug:
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He's got another 10 days worth of the antirobe and I think we may be getting somewhere.
The vet said he doesn't think there is an infection anymore, he said he could even smell it the last time. When I said he has been getting loads of green drool, vet asked if it was while he was on the anti-b's. I said yes mostly and I thought it was drawing the infection out, he said it shouldn't be doing that as he (Ollie) was swallowing it.
So there is no infection and Ive been given another lot of anti-b's.
The vet said they could operate on his mouth but the swelling would make his mouth worse and cause his throat to close over, which would be worse for him. Operate and do what I dont know :-:
He also said after this lot of antibiotics he is going to see how he is and maybe try some hormones AS HE THINKS THE STEROIDS ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD ;D Im finally getting somewhere.
And even tho I didnt want to, I had to ask about the pts option..... :(..... vet said oh no he's nowhere near that stage, so Im very relieved :briggin:
So I think we will see whats in store for Ollie and hopefully these hormones will help him. Anyone ever delt with hormones before, giving them to their cat I mean. What kind would they be :-:
I think he aslo said it would be ok to give him the antirobe from time to time if Ollie needs them, seeing so Im getting him to take them.
Now vet has asked me to not give Ollie the antirobe for another couple of days to see if its them giving him the green salava, his mouth seems pretty clean now and the frothy stuff has gone white, he's not had any antirobe since Sunday.
Any thoughts on this?
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Sorry cc its all beyond any knowledge I have but hope Ollie will be Ok :hug:
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And even tho I didnt want to, I had to ask about the pts option..... :(..... vet said oh no he's nowhere near that stage, so Im very relieved :briggin:
Yay! So pleased for you both....give Ollie Bonga a head rub from me and mine! :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug:
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I am glad that the infection has cleared up, although it seems odd that if there is no infection that he would give you more antibiotics, and am glad he has finally admitted that the steroids are doing more harm, although I would have thought Metacam (anti-inflammatory) would be a better option than hormones - I know they use hormones in spraying toms, but there are some side effects such as mammary cancer, which is why I didn't go down that route with either of my two fosters. There may be some research I dont know about though. Glad the vet doesnt think he is near pts stage though - did you weigh him?
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Pleased that the news for Ollie is good and hope his mouth his alot better :)
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Good news you have had a positive check up ;D
I would also opt for metacam over any hormone treatment as a first test of a new treatment plan, great thats hes clicked the steroids arent helping, your getting there! ;D
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Argh just wrote a post and lost it! >:(
Yes he was weighed, now weighs 4.2kg, he was 4.3kg about a month ago.
Im going to opt out of the hormones and ask for metcam.
All is well for the moment :)
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Glad Ollie is getting better. Not sure that Metacam can be used long-term. I think they do with older cats but AFAIK, it does compromise kidneys over time.
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Glad he's doing OK, sounds like you're moving in the right direction with his meds ;D
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Mark he's been on the steriods since being 6 months old. His kidneys were tested last Jan and I was suprised that they were fine, no damage had been done. Its also not good for him to stay on them any longer as they are repressing his immune system which is letting infections in and then he gets very ill.
Im so proud of my boy for coming as far as he has, I hope he has many more years to live. He's only 5 this July.
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That's good :) Metacam should only be used 2 or 3 times a week though as it restrict blood flow to the kidneys amongst other things. If he does need it, his bloods will need to be kept an eye on.
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Mark, I think Metacam would be a better option long term than hormones, although both have side effects. It could be that once the steroids are out of his system that he doesn't need as much of anything though.
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Fingers crossed that is the case but Metacam does restrict blood flow to/from the kidneys and other organs so has to be used with caution. It's a shame cats can't tell us when it hurts :(
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Longterm Metacam is better than all those steroids, if he ended up with diabetes he would have more to cope with ontop of current mouth probs, i would always opt for a shorter life with a drug such as Metacam if thats what treats the problem. Its anti imflammatory action can help lots with mouths without the problem of lowering his immune system
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I hope that the boy rallies and that the treatment works
Milly's Mum Diabetes is not a death sentence Tiger lived with it for 18 months and injectins twice a day and had no issues and was fine
we have been on the steroid route with Miss gracie, Metacam with Bertie - he had more things wrong with him and lived to be 21.2 and got a new illness which took him
I think the way to go is follow vets advice and listen to Ollie as well and between them they should come up with a plan you are all happy with :hug:
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It isnt Liz but for a cat with other problems already getting him down its something best avoided
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Been to vets today, its not looking great for Ollie :(
His throat is totally closed over, worse than last time, all inflamed and red sore. He has lost weight 3.9kg is what he weighs now.
Vet give him a jab to help with the swelling on his throat and I have to go back on Sat.
Im finally realising no matter how much love or money I have got to give, nothing's going to save him. Im loosing my boy.
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cc I'm really sorry to hear that, you've tried so hard for him, fingers crossed the jab has made him more comfortable
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Hopefully the jab will sort his throat out! :wish:
Sending positive healing vibes for the man~~~~~~~~ :Luv:
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CC, I'm so sorry. :care: Hoping there's a massive breakthrough that helps Ollie.
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I hope the jab will get the swelling in his throat down :hug: does the vet think the infection has come back?
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Really hope you can get on top of this for him :hug:
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I really hope so to Helen but with the swelling and weight loss its not looking as if he's going to come back from this. His throat is at its worst, its never been swollen like that before :(
The vet thinks there may be some infection there.
I hope Im over acting, I really do but you kinda know when things are not looking up.
I feel so sad right now for the sake of no matter what is done, it just dont help my boy.
I just hope and have always said I want him to make it till his 5th birthday, which is July, 4 years of age is no age to go at all. Although I want him to live forever really :Luv:
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Poor boy, please do try and think positively though :hug: I will have everything crossed these meds help him lots and he's much better by Saturday xx
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Fingers crossed the jabs do work.
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I just give Ollie his tab and............................... I can see down his throat ;D Its still all red but at least its not swollen anymore. :briggin:
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Yay! Hope the improvement continues.
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Thanks Jack :)
There is no drooling either I have NOT had to wipe his mouth today ;D
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Its sounding very much like the antirobe had made him worse..... :Crazy:
So happy his throat has improved! C'mon Ollie were all rooting for you! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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That sounds positive CC ;D
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No drool or green slime today and I can still see down his throat ;D
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what great news!
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I AM SOOOO PLEASED ;D well done Ollie! :hug:
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Fingers crossed he continues to improve
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Glad to hear this, and fingers crossed he continues to do well.
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A little bit of green slime today but his throat is still open. He's at the vets tomorrow anyways so I will let ya's know what vet says :)
He has also been grooming himself and has sorted his sticky patches out. His coat is much better now :)
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Well the grooming is a good sign, well done Ollie ;D and loads of luck for the vet appt :hug:
I had to get Byron her repeat prescription of Antirobe yesterday as her teeth are a bit manky again.
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Now that is sounding much more positive for Ollie Bonga! ;D
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After a long wait at the vets :tired: Vet said Ollie looks as if he's doing much better. He was given a steroid and anti-B jab, mixed together in the same jab. Is that normal? He has been given them this way before tho and he's been ok.
So vet says these antibiotics are doing him good but they are ones that have been used before, so we are just going round in circles :Crazy:
I have to take him back in 10 days as thats when the jabs wear off.
Vet says he really wish he knew how to cure him but I suppose he can only do his best. I think Ollies case is for a specialist vet.
Not much of an update I know but as long as Ollie is well and happy atm, Im happy too :Luv2:
Hopefully he's going to have another 10 months antibiotic free after this lot. I think I could cope with his times of illness much better if I knew he was going to be well for a long time after.
Sorry Im just rambling now :evillaugh:
Thanks for the support :)
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Yey Ollie on the up and up mate :)
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Fab news.....Well done Ollie! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Glad that Ollie is better and hopefully he will continue to :hug:
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Glad the vet was happier with him, although it is a shame he has been given yet more steroids.
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I know Des but its anything to keep him stable at the moment :shy: I dont wanna loose him :(
But the vets said we'll keep him on the steriods for now, and Im due back in 10 days so we'll see what happens then :)
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I can understand not wanting to lose him, but long term the steroids are only making it worse.
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He's started back on the steriods today, this morning he was getting the salava again and his mouth needed to be cleaned, but not to a point where its been long drool.
He's back at the vets next Tuesday so I will update then unless any drastic change :)
He's been good in himself, he's also been sleeping in the top bed of the cat tree which he never has done before :-:
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Big :hug: to Ollie
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CC, did you ever try him on the Classic cat food? I got some for Sam, and his gums stopped looking red within days of eating it - he has a hypoallergenic dry food too.