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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: Desley (booktigger) on February 14, 2009, 14:44:13 PM
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He only arrived at 7.30 last night, so still doesn't have a name. Yet another painfully thin male cat, i hope his thinness is due to not having decent meals recently, and not health issues like the last two. He is a white and black cat, but less black than Kiz, and his white bits are a bit grey at the moment. Very friendly, and the poor thing couldnt decide what to eat first when given a bowl of wet and a bowl of dry last night, he kept flitting between the two till i mixed them. He then went and slept on the carpet, so I put a fleecy blanket down cos he didn't want to sleep in front of the rad - I think he would have been happy with the carpet, it is better than what he is used to. Not sure on age yet, might pop him to the vets on Thurs to be scanned, but will see, might give him a bit longer to settle first. Pics to follow
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Arrived on Friday 13th? Black and White - he has gotta be a Lucky!! Our Lucky came to us on a Friday 13th and was the most WONDERFUL cat...... :Luv2:
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black and white? ...........Minstrel?
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He has more white than black - ideally I would like a name beginning with E, V or X, so I can try and complete the alphabet, only 3 letters to go!! Might go with Lucky though, as his luck certainly has changed now.
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Poor soul, Desley. Hope he's settling in well (sounds like a promising start).
How about Vincent? Or Xavier?
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Cheers Sue, I like those names. i only had Victor for V, and didn't like that. He is settling in well, he has been sat on my knee already, not eaten loads today, but I suspect he just isn't used to so much food. Another heartbreaking little soul.
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Victor? Valiant? Valentine?
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I like Valentine, and Xavier. I'm sure he'll be fine now he's with you Desley. :hug:
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They are my two fav's, and Valentine is quite apt. i will get pics later, just not sure what I did with the camera.
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How about Valentino rather than Valentine, that's a 'real' name and he could also be called Tino for short :)
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ah, I was just about to say Valentino! ;D
Bless that hungry boy :Luv:
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Bless him, i hope he get on well with others. :hug:
Cant wait to see his picture. :Luv:
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He has wolfed the supermeat I gave him for his tea, he obviously prefers that to Felix pouches (typical when we have just had a load of Felix pouches delivered!!). He is certainly pooing well, I am just relieved he knows what the tray is for. I will post pics when Molly moves off my knee!!
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pics - not great as he is more interested in fuss or food, but can't blame the poor soul, wtih how thin he is, he obviously hasn't had a lot of either recently. Am trying him with Valentino for now, and see how he responds
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/booktigger/standing-2.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/booktigger/valentinoeating.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/booktigger/valentinoface.jpg)
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HE IS SO THIN! Poor little chap - feed him up, Desley :hug:
PS will you PM me your address again please?
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Valentino suits him - can you see a likeness? :evillaugh:
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Those pics dont even show his full thinness C - I can't believe I have taken in 3 that thin since Nov. He has had some extra tea, and also some cat milk this pm, and I bought some chicken for him and Sam, as they are the only two that need feeding up in this house.
Will do the pm now.
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Bless him :hug: He's so skinny!
I was going to suggest Valentino too ;D
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You can see from the photo how painfully thin he is,poor mite :( but now hes safe and will get plenty of love and attention :hug: :hug:
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He's a handsome boy, despite being so skinny. Sending Valentino fuss!
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Bless him, he probably couldn't believe his luck in having a choice of food!
Magnus was that thin when he arrived here.
Hope 'Valentine' is the same as Mags, and that it's purely down to missed meals.
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Poor thing, I'm sure he'll fatten up in time it may take a little while because he'll have to make the fat though at least he'll be getting nutrients now. He looks quite old to me too.
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Desley he's lovely, even if he is skinny, bless him. Valentino rather suits him actually! ;D
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I took some last night that made me cry. His mouth isn't great, and he is a bit off his food today, his tummy is grumbling, but not eaten much more than a few biscuits and some cat milk. Him and Sam have proper chicken for their tea though, and if he is still reluctant, I shall get the a/d out, and see if the vet can see him tomorrow.
Thanks for the good wishes, I hope it is just a dodgy mouth and lack of food so he can fatten up, but even if not, at least he is now off the street in a warm room with plenty of food and love - and he loves the fact he can sit on my knee!! He has been so severely let down by humans, yet still has enough in him to trust me and want fusses, it really does show how trusting cats can be, and did bring a tear to my eye.
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maybe his little tummy isn't used to much food yet poor boy :Luv:
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awww bless him but at least he's safe now good luck with him Desley
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i think that could be the case Jane - he has eaten something now, not loads, but then he wont need loads to be full.
He certainly is safe Sarah, and wont need to be on the street again.
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Little and often so his little tummy can get used ti food :hug: :hug:
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awwww bless him - he's a handsome little fella :Luv:
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He has eaten quite a bit since 4pm, I went in before going out, and he was tucking into the wet, then had some dry, which I topped up when I Got back, and they had given me some leftover Whiskas biscuits which I gave him, he wolfed them, then a bit of the tuna supermeat and some fresh chicken - I will give him another plate of that after i have watched my programme, and make sure he has enough dry for the night, as he likes that.
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Those piccies of Valentino bring a lump to my throat, he is lovely. I expect he can't quite believe his luck at the moment. Hope he continues to eat well and there aren't any underlying problems.
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He certainly is, and is very happy in the bathroom, even though I do keep finding him sleeping on the carpet rather than the blanket or the bed!! He has eaten well overnight, but bless him, he started eating his leftover wet food this morning (which had been down for just over 12 hours) - just shows what he is used to - he does seem to favour dry, but that is OK. he thought the two saucers of chicken yesterday were fantastic!!
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He'll be used to the stars and the open road....... :(
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he thought the two saucers of chicken yesterday were fantastic!!
Bless his little heart :)
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He is Sue, but I am glad that he is accepting being in a house, some strays hate being confined and cause loads of issues, I dont get a peep out of him, i think he is just relieved to have something soft under his paws, and a nice warm space with someone who comesi in and gives him fusses.
He had some diarrhea yesterday, which I have been expecting since Fri actually (I know my mum gave him milk and tuna on Fri), so he is on some bland food at the mo, which he isn't too happy about!! He doesn't have a chip, but he does have some incredibly bad teeth, they wanted me to book him in last night for them, but I want to a - give his tum some time to settle, and b - some time on good food to see if his general condition improves first, but it will probably be in the next week or so - both rescue and vet said 'you know how to pick them' - yet another dental to pay for though, which isnt good, he is going to need pre-op bloods. Still not sure on an age, but definitely old.
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glad he enjoyed his chicken so much :Luv:
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Valentino is just lovely. Glad he is settling in with you. Poor little soul, hope his dental goes well.
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Am also glad, Desley. :hug: Some cats might have no choice but the stars and the open road, but it doesn't mean they can't adapt fast to a life of chicken and tuna and warm, snuggley beds. ;D
Think it's a good idea to let him get settled, before making inroads on those teeth.
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How's this dear chap doing Desley?
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Tum's gone loose again overnight (he doesn't like Hills or RC Sensitive though), and his tummy grumbles quite a lot. He clearly wants some food, but is struggling with supermeat today (or he doesn't like the flavour), and he isn't wanting biscuits anymore, even though I suspect that is what he is used to. He did manage his plate of chicken last night though, but I am nearly out of it, so will have to go to the supermarket for some more, and I think I will book him in for his dental asap, in case that is the issue, and he will have bloods taken first, so if there is something more sinister, we will find out then - I dont want to book him in for bloods in advance as if they aren't too bad and he can have a dental, it will mean starving him twice, and he doesn't have the reserves for that.
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Poor little lamb chop. :hug: Hope you can get him to tuck in later, Desley.
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Poor chap. Hope he feels up to eating again later, I'm sending my best eating vibes his way.
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Awwww, Valentino is a honey, and I hope he can put some weight back on soon.
So pleased he's taking to a home environment Desley, sounds like he's landed firmly on his paws coming to you :)
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Poor little lamb chop. :hug: Hope you can get him to tuck in later, Desley.
What Sue said. :(
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Poor Valentino - hoping his stomach settles down soon. :hug:
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sorry to hear he is a bit poorly, I hope it soon settles :( Purina One can be very good for runny tums if he will eat dry food again.
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hope the wee mans tummy troubles sort themselves out soon Desley... its never nice seeing them so miserable with it all.
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He had a few biscuits as I was brushing my teeth, but nothing more during the day. tried him on various things before going to the shop and buying some chicken - he has had two plates of that!! his dental is booked in for Tues, I know what he will be eating till then!! Anything to get some meat on his bones, as his dental is sooner than I wanted, and fingers crossed for his bloods.
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Attaboy Valentino! Good to hear he's developing such high standards in such a short period of time! Hope he keeps tucking into that chicken - if he'll settle for chicken for a while could you postpone the dental?
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maybe his teeth are upsetting his tum, Byron was like that until her teeth were removed, good luck for Tuesday and for the bloods.
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He has a discerning palate, clearly. You can't expect a Screen God to eat just any old cat fud now, can you? ;) Will be keeping everything crossed for Tuesday Desley, and in the meantime, hope he carries on eating his chicken
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He didn't eat the second plate overnight, and he is just sniffing the fresh plate I took in, i hope I can get him eating enough till Tues. Will have to get the a/d out tonight. Have also left him a saucer of cat milk even though his tum is still unsettled, I just need him to get something in him. I have to say I am on edge a bit with him, in case there is something underlying causing his thinness.
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Oh Desley. Know that feeling well. Food fit for a King one day is the pits the next. Let's hope he'll take something else.
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Me too, but running out of options, he had 2 kinds of wet food, cat milk, biscuits and chicken last night. A/D is the last thing I can think of really, unless I try him with a new flavour of supermeat.
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Wonder if he'd take a little bit of minced meat? Sometimes Paddy will take beef or lamb when he won't eat other food. I've also tried tinned crab, with limited success.
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Desley, how frustrating. :hug: Hope you hit upon something that tempts the lovely Valentino. (I can't suggest anything you haven't already tried unfortunately.)
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REally frustrating evening with him, he had eaten his chicken this morning, but not sure he had touched the biscuits. Tried him on a/d, he hasn't bothered with it, but he also didn't want his chicken, or cat milk or the 3 lots of biscuits I have put down!! I gave him a dose of Metacam a couple of hours ago, as his stomach is really grumbling but he is reluctant, so I thought his mouth might be really hurting - I have just put his chicken in the microwave for 10 seconds and he has eaten some, so I wonder if there is something going on with him. If he hasn't eaten much more overnight, he will be at the vets in the morning to see if they can give him something to get him through till his dental on Tues. He is so affectionate tonight though bless him, i keep kneeling on the floor to coax him to eat, and all he wants is to sit on my knee!
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Sending lots of good wishes for Valentino and it does sound like his mouth is making it too painful for eating....and maybe even if the pain has gone cos of the metacam, he is scared if he eats it will hurt too bad. :hug: :hug:
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Bless him.
Hoping he eats overnight. If all else fails, he might lap up a raw egg yolk?
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Here's hoping he eats something.
It could be his teeth - if he's used to the pain when he eats, he'll be expecting it.
And fingers crossed that it's nothing more serious. He deserves a good long while with warmth and love and nice food!
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poor thing, hope you can sort something out
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I hope Valentino can bring himself to eat something and that the vet can help him pdq :(
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Metacam didnt work, so I took him to the vet, who gave him an ab jab, Vit B12, and a Diazepam tablet (she couldnt use steroids cos I had given him Metacam) - I was told it was an appetite stimulant, but he still can't walk very well (it was about 10.45 when he was given the tablet), he is very dopy from it, but hasn't really increased his appetite much, so I have spent the bulk of the day sat in the bathroom - brought him in here iwth me to do some research on it, and set up the cage so I can take him downstairs in a bit, my knees are killing me from sitting on the floor so much. IHe has willingly had some han and cat milk, and I am syringing a/d into him.
I have found a thread on here, and it seems like the hour I was told it would take to get through him wasn't right, according to someone on here, more like 8 hours, which is great!! He is currently sleeping on my bed (very naughty I know, he should still be in isolation, but I thought I might get a less biased answer on here than from the e-vet.
Looks like we need continued vibes please.
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Topping up the vibes Desley. Poor little soul. :hug: :hug: Hope your knees are recovering a bit.
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Thanks - he has licked a bit of HiLife salmon pate and had a few Asda Tiger biscuits (I am very grateful for that donated box now!!), not a lot, but enough that I dont have to syringe feed for a while, but will check on an hourly basis, and may just do a bit before bed. IT really is amazing what can give you so much relief!! I think I need some meds for my knees, and I can risk going to the takeaway for some tea now (when I decide what to have).
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If his mouth is troublesome have you tried different style of bowls/saucers and made of different materials, i know one who cant eat from stainless steel bowls as his teeth bang on it!
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I know we disagree about this, but how about tuna?
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Yep, he had2 bowls for wet and 2 for dry yesterday, and tonight I used a saucer when he licked some of hte HiLife off a fork. I decided to have fish for my tea and took some in, he has eaten it, so I knjow what I am getting for my tea!! I am concerned about his eyesight though, he isn't following my hand, and seems to struggle to find where the food is - although had no prob finding hte vets hand when she put him back in the carrier!! There is just something niggling me with him.
C - tried HiLife Tuna and Salmon - I always have it in, as it is very rare for cats to turn it down - he proved me wrong. I haven't tried human tuna yet, he was a bit iffy with it when my mum gave it him (only thing she could find in my nan's house when they lured him in!!)
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Maybe he's holding out for more chicken to be hand-fed on the bed?:sneaky:
Chin-up Tino!
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jasmine - he went off his chicken too!!
I went in at 11.30 last night, and got him to eat some biscuits, a forkful of HiLife Salmon pate (but then didn't want the second forkful) and something made me get a pouch of food in gravy, which he tucked into (only gave him a small amount). I could have cried with relief!! This morning he has finished off the fish I left him (so will have to cook another tonight and just have the batter for me!!), and all the pate/gravy food, it was wonderful to see a clean bowl - I know it wasn't a lot of food, but better than nothing. he has only licked at the pate/gravy food this morning though, so have given him two other kinds of food. I am not too concerned that he isn't eating a lot yet, as he had quite a bit yesterday. His tum is still very unsettled, and I know I am not making it any better with all this different food, but he needs something in his tum. He is still a bit unsettled on his feet today though, so the diazepam is still in his system 24 hours later!!
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Glad he has eaten a bit of something and at least it's getting nearer Tuesday
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great to hear that the little man is eating something Desley... fingers crossed he continues to improve! :hug:
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Cheers - I am not convinced that his bloods will be normal on Tues, and I have a niggling feeling that he will live his life out here, and I dont think he will be a very long term cat, I think we might be lucky with months. i do hope I am wrong though
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either way Desley at least he will have known care and love in his time with you. that is what is important... but as we all know we never know what is round the next corner!
good luck for his bloods on tuesday. will be thinking of the wee fella. :hug:
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Cheers - I am not convinced that his bloods will be normal on Tues, and I have a niggling feeling that he will live his life out here, and I dont think he will be a very long term cat, I think we might be lucky with months. i do hope I am wrong though
I hope you are wrong! what a sad few months it's been, Schui has been ill so many times we though we would lose him last July and he really surprised us until recently but he keeps bouncing back :) I will be hopeful for Tuesday xx
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so the diazepam is still in his system 24 hours later!!
Suggests how ill-nourished he is, as his metabolism must be very slow. His problems could be down to long-term starvation?
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Thanks everyone - not managed to get him to eat a lot today, and as the Diazepam has worn off, syringe feeding him is very tricky, I have only tried with water today, but he is really fighting me. I am currently cooking some fish, as chicken didn't go down well, nor did the 3 kinds of cat food I bought him earlier!! He has had some sliced turkey though, and at least he is brighter in himself.
Either that or the fact he has no fat to help it disperse C, I will warn them on Tues in case the anaesthetic has a similar reaction.
All we can do now is get through the next 36 hours and pray that his bloods aren't too bad and the vet can do a dental, as if she can't, I will have to let him go, he can't continue like this.
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How much does he weigh Desley?
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3.2 on Mon - which sounds OK, but he really is a bag of bones, bless him, he was obviously a decent size cat in his younger days - vet would only commit to him being a teenager yesterday.
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you may have already thought of this Desley but have you tried him on some of the really cheap cat food???? may be worth a shot. I've had cats before that haven't looked at the good stuf... give them the cheap rubbish and they wolf it down! :Crazy:
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How's he been since yesterday, Desley?
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MCR - not sure I have any in, although he did like the Asda Tiger biscuits at first.
Last night I gave him some Terrine, some Gourmet Perle, some chicken and some fish, and he didn't seem interested in anything. I got him to eat about half a slice of Turkey before I went to bed, so i tore up another slice and put it on his bed (he seems to struggle finding it on the plate). Got up this morning and had to do a double take, as eveyrthing bar the biscuits had been eaten!! So I gave him the rest of the Terrine and Gourmet Perle, he has eaten some of both, but ignoring the chicken and sliced meat now!! I am very relieved, and he should have enough till I get home tonight (via the shop for some more terrine of course!!)
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That's better news Desley. :hug:
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it is - I know there wasn't large amounts left down overnight, but at least it is some food, and he was still hungry when I went in, and ate most of the Terrine, and a small amount of the Gourmet Perle. hopefully he will eat the chicken and sliced meat while I am out, and will still eat the Terrine when I Get home wiht it.
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:) That's better news! does he not like Whiskas superfood, mine love it?
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He's had Asda and PAH supermeat - he ate the first lot, but then when I opened a second tin, he wouldn't touch it. I think I have one tin of Tuna Whiskas supermeat, but he wouldnt eat Asda Tiger Tuna - mind you, Whiskas is sloppier. I am more reluctant to open tins than pouches, I have thrown so much away this weekend - I will try the Whiskas tonight, before I feed anyone else, so they can eat it if he wont.
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May be now Valentino knows there is food there all the time and he is not going to starve again , he doesnt wolf the food down and eats little when hungry after all as you said it yourself he doesnt need loads to eat , poor guy needs time to get used to eating proper again. :(
Also if he is struggling to get the food from the plate , maybe he is not used to plates! I found Mr Tramp not eating from his plate when i was feeding him so i had to put everything on the floor for him. Desley i still have lots of Gourmet Terrine left which i got for MrTramp , thats the only food he would eat, do you want me to send them to you for Valentino, also have few applaws he might like , let me know and i can post them tomorrow.
Sending Valentino and you lots of :hug: .
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I wonder if he is used to eating only at night
Tiffany used to have her day's food put down in one lot every evening, when she spent her nights next door, and I still do it for her, as she is not interested in eating during the day
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It's so frustrating and worrying when they eat so randomly, even more difficult when you don't really know the cat and his habits. At least he is still managing to eat, the strategy of giving him a bit of everything seems to be working. At least after the blood tests you'll get to know what is going on, and let's hope they can do the dental. I'm really rooting for this chap, keep thinking about you both.
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Hope he starts to eat a bit more regularly, it could be as suggested below, that now there is food down all the time, he doens't feel the need to gulp it all down in one go :hug:
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Sadly it is nothing to do with him being used to regular food, it is his mouth - the ab's have worked well though, he wasn't nearly as smelly last night, and his fur on his legs is looking cleaner. He had a bit of his terrine, and half a pouch of Gourmet Perle, plus a plate of chicken and a plate of sliced meat while I was at work. Didn't eat much last night, and is starving this morning, bless him. Not long to go till he can go to the vets and have his bloods done, it is just a waiting game to see if they are good enough now.
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Thinking about you today Desley, and hoping all goes well.
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Fingers crossed :hug:
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:hug: I'm sure he'll be loads better after a dental, lots of luck for today
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Fingers crossed for Tino today. :luck:
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Posting update on behalf of Desley:
We had a major scare this morning when he was booked in and his weight was 2.8kg - he was 3.2 last Mon, so his not eating had had a big impact. I got a phone call at lunch to say his kidney levels were OK, but his liver enzymes were high, both his ALT and his ALK-P, way higher than Sam's were, but his bilirubin was OK. This could indicate either an infection, a thyroid prob or liver issues, so we have sent blood off for his thyroid, which will be back in a couple of days. He has had about 4 teeth out, and will hopefully feel a lot better, but time will tell whether it is enough to get him eating again, and he will need lots of TLC and building up, he needs to put on the 400g he lost, and more besides. So not out of the woods, but hopefully in the right direction, we just need to wait and see if he is hyper-t or not. She wouldnt like to guess an age, but apart from the 4 she has taken out, his teeth are good
i can't believe that this is 3 in a row that have been picked up old and painfully thin, and all have needed a dental, all have had raised liver enzymes, and 2 of the three are suspected hyper-t!!
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Phew, have been thinking about Valentio all day.
What a relief that they managed to perform the dental, let's hope it really makes a difference to him. If he is hyper-t and couldn't eat that would certainly explain his rumbly tum.
All of my best vibes are coming his way. :Luv2:
Fingers crossed for Desley that it's third time lucky.
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Erp. Desley sent me an email but I can't open it. ( :censored: hotmail playing up.) Wonder if it was this info?
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Just checking up on Valentino. Will keep up the positive thoughts while we wait to hear what is going on with the little old fella :hug:
It does bring it home to me when I reflect that Blip weighs nearly 5kg and she isn't fat. Poor Tino weighs only a little more than half that and he's male!
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Erp. Desley sent me an email but I can't open it. ( :censored: hotmail playing up.) Wonder if it was this info?
It was JS - my post was on behalf of Desley. :hug:
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Thanks Sue. I have 40 emails waiting to be read, but still can't access it. Poor Tino.
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Glad he was able to have the dental, hopefully he'll be better able to eat more now, and build his weight up a bit :Luv2:
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Hope Valentino wakes up hungry this morning and ready to eat. :hug:
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Thanks for posting Sue, and thanks for trying JS!!
Picked him up last night, and he had eaten a pouch of sensitivity at the vets, despite me telling them he didn't like it - I gave him half a pouch which he promptly ignored!! He had some cat milk, and a plate of sliced meat, I tried him on some pate food, which he ignored, so he had about 3 plates of sliced meat last night, but overnight he had eaten all the wet food. This morning he finished off the pouch of sensitivity, and acted starving, so I opened a tin of supermeat, which he is ignoring, the rest of hte pate, which he is also ignoring, so have opened a pouch of felix in jelly and some felix roasted, to see what texture he would like to eat, and left him a saucer of cat milk. He definitely can eat, so now it is just a case of seeing what kind of foods he likes, and if he likes food in gravy, it will be a trip to the shop - over 200 pouches in the house, and very few in gravy!! Unsurprisingly, he is ignoring his dry food.
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Oh Desley :evillaugh: Typical old boy. :hug:
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i know, bless him - I wonder how much of it he is putting on so I will put something else down, as he did eat everything overnight - so since his dental that is 2 pouches, at least 3 plates of sliced meat, 2 bowls of cat milk and whatever he has licked htis morning - his pooing seems to have slowed down though, which hopefully is a good thing.
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All sounds good so far and fingers crossed bloods are not too bad....hopefully it's just infection from the teeth and that he can now build back up
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Ah bless him, the fact he eat everything overnight sounds like there's an element of him trying it on Desley, but who can blame him :Luv2:
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They're so contrary in their old age, aren't they? :innocent: Glad he's OK.
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Aww bless him, i am glad he is eating now . :hug: I love oldies :Luv:
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- over 200 pouches in the house.
And his aim in life is probably to get you to open each one :rofl:
Seriously though, really pleased he has come thru the dental and has now got an appetite. :)
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Blip only likes foods in gravy - she won't touch pate. Perhaps she and Tino are related?
Hope he gets stuck into his food :hug:
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Dinah was also a gravy girl, except on the random days she wanted jelly or pate...but these were few and far between. I hope he eats well again tonight.
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How's he been since yesterday Desley? Are you on pouch 199 yet? :)
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When I nipped home at lunch he had eaten everthing, even a few biscuits, so I topped him up, and he had eaten all by the time I got home. All in all, he managed 4.5 pouches (and prob would have had more if I had let him), plus two lots of biscuits and some cat milk and a bit of chicken - so he is certainly feeling better!! I just can't work out if he is making up for lost time, or if he is indeed hyper-t - but we will know today. He is managing Felix pouches quite well, although does seem to favour gravy food - his poos aren't 100%, so he will have to have his gravy food limited. He is a lot happier in himself, although growled when I picked him up. The only problem is medicating him, he wont let me open his mouth.
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;D Four and a half pouches! Blimey, he is feeling more chipper. :) Though as you say, it could be hyper-t. Let's hope not, though, and hope he's indeed just making up for lost time.
(I'd growl too if I'd been to the dentist - "gerroff me mowf!")
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He certainly is, and is much brighter and more responsive towards me, although he does expect food everytime I walk in - luckily there is plenty in the house!! Ironically, we both had dental treatment on Tues, although mine was nowhere near as bad as his!! So now just waiting for good news on his bloods - if his thyroid is normal, she might want to retest his liver in a month to see if it was just the infection or a liver issue, but I wouldn want to home him straight away anyway.
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Good news so far and fingers crossed for the bloods when do you hear?
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I will hopefully hear today Jane, they were sent to the lab on Tues, and when I have them done on a Thurs evening, I find out on a Mon. I have to make an app, so will ring up at lunch and see.
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Ah well you see - did Valentino try to look in your mouth, eh? Eh?? No, I bet he didn't. ;)
Keeping my fingers crossed for the result of the blood tests. Would be so nice if this little fellow didn't have any complications and could find a good loving home to live out his twilight years.
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Wow, he's eating loads, he's obviously feeling much perkier :Luv2:
Fingers crossed for the blood results :hug:
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He seems to have his appetite back, then ;)
Fingers crossed for the blood test results.
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Thanks - he is still eating well, so doesn't look like we will need to use Metacam, which I am pleased about due to his liver values. We haven't had the thyroid results back yet, not sure what is going on with the lab, normally get them back by now, but hopefully they will be back today. He is now a lot more vocal and definitely demanding food, which is good. He has been here two weeks today, i think I will take him for a quick weigh next Tues to make sure he has put some of the weight he has lost on.
Sue - the home isn't an issue, he can always live his life out here.
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Sue - the home isn't an issue, he can always live his life out here.
I know. you're a big softie! :hug: :hug:
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Glad Tino is eating well. :)
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I am so pleased that Valentino is feeling better and eating well. :hug:
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great to hear that the wee man is feeling much better. fingers and paws crossed he continues to improve!
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How's he doing, Des?
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Sorry for the lack of updates, hectic day or so!! Only had a brief message about his bloods, as my vet wasn't in yesterday pm, so I have to speak to her on Mon, but he does have hyperthyroidism, which makes last weekend even worse, and explains the severe weight loss despite the fact I got something into him every day. The tablets I have in stock are the wrong strength though, so will have to discuss whether I can split these or if we need to buy some more. With his eating the past couple of days, I am not too surprised, he might get through those 200 pouches by himself at this rate, I bet he could eat half a box a day. The rescue lady didn't sound too positive about his rehoming chances though!! Am slightly worried about that, as I don't know if Kizzy will tolerate another long term cat.
Thanks for all the wishes, now all we have to do is get meds into him (he wont let me open his mouth), and hope that he can start to put on some much needed weight.
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It does all make sense and I hope things settle down when he gets on some treatment Desley
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On the plus side I suppose hyper-t is the lesser of many evils that he could be suffering from. He must be so relieved that he can eat, am sure he'll start to pile on the pounds as soon as his tablets kick in. Do you think he'll take his meds in some plastic cheese, or some ham?
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Glad to read he is eating v.well ;D
If you can get some weight back on him then the op would possibly make him alot easier to home ;D
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Thanks everyone - I am not too bothered by a diagnosis of hyper-t, it is better than CRF which was my concern on Tues. It shows we really did catch him just in time though, I honestly dont think he would be alive today otherwise. AT the mometn i am crushing his ab's into wet food, but will try ham.
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He hasn't eaten as much this weekend, I dont know if it is cos i have been trying new food, so just given him a small dose of Metacam - I know he missed last nights a/b, and he seems a bit picky with his tea that has tonights in it. His tum is unsettled again, but he is on ab's, and also hyper-t can cause it, so will wait till he is off ab's and Felimazole is in his system. He does have an odd bald patch on his neck, and the skin looks a bit funny - if I didn't know better, I would say it was a Frontline reaction. I was fussing him earlier, and I could feel a lump on his throat, which I assume is the thyroid gland, and his neck area does look funny, it is like you can see his pulse, it really shows how thin he is.
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things aren't looking good with Tino, his tum is really unsettled (both sickness and diarrhea) and I dont know if it is the ab's or the thyroid meds - his levels were 180ish and the top end of the scale is 60, no wonder he is so thin. His eating is off again, and I dont know if it is picky eating, or he isn't feeling well!! He also wont take meds, I tried wrapping last nights in ham, he kept spitting it out, so resorted to down the hatch, but he is a nightmare to get meds into that way. This morning he wouldnt' even touch the ham, so had to resort to down the hatch again, and I now have a sore finger and an upset cat!! Going to try Primula tonight, but I am away this weekend, so having to rely on my neighbours this weekend, and if we can't find a way to do it nicely, the thought of doing this twice a day for at least a month isn't good - he does have weak back legs too, everytime I let him go from wrapping him (else his legs wrap round my hand to stop me!!), he is very wobbly.
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Poor thing it sounds like it could be the abs and probably why he's avoiding them if he feels poorly, many cats I've had have reacted badly to them I'd contact the vet and ask for a different type obviously being HT won't be helping either it could be a mix of the 2, is he on thyroid treatment yet?
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Might be an idea just to check with the Vet about ab's. Poor little soul. (And sympathies for your finegr too Desley) :hug:
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I will be ringing the vets - but he has been on ab's since last Wed, and the sickness has only started with teh Felimazole, but surely it can't get into his system that quickly? Just to clarify, the meds I mentioned are the Felimazole, i can crush the ab's into his food, and we only have two tablets left, so from tomorrow we are down to just getting two a day into him.
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Although it says you can't, you can crush Felimazole too, my friend has a cat who can't be pilled and she crushes and syringes the liquid to make sure he gets his meds.
Hope its just the abs making his tummy poorly, but I do recall when Max started his thyroid meds his appetite was down for a few days :hug:
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the abs don't always affect straight away but it could be thyroid meds or thyroid itself better to check with vet, always a problem when they are on more than 1 medication, hope your vet can help.
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Oh poor Tino. :( Have you tried him on R/C sensitivity pouches just to help his tummy in case different food he is eating is too rich for him?
Desley i wanted to say that when i adopted Jim he weight was 3.2 kg i did not realize how tin he was because of his long fur only when i picked him up i realized he was just skin and bones, as i said before, he had thyroid problems and problem with his liver , he was on 2 felimazole a day and because he had no teeth i couldnt hide his tablets in treats but the primula did work with him, first thing i noticed was he was really WOBBLY on his feet and i called the vet straight away and was told its because of his condition being H Thyroid and of course his age being 17, but he spent most of his time in his bed as i think Tino would . Tinos conditions is very similar to Jim and i think if you find a way to give him his tablets he should be fine , i have to say that Jim never put any weight on during his 4 months with me eventhough he was eating all the time, and that gave him upset tummy some days , and in the end i had to let him go because of cancer .
I think is wise to wait till he is off ab's and then see if his tummy settles, also i was told by my vet that you can crush the Felimazole.
Finger crossed he feels better soon , he deserves a happy life with some one who cares for him. :hug: :hug:
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It could be the felimazole, vidalta may suit him better and thats once a day too so would be easier for you
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I will be ringing the vets - but he has been on ab's since last Wed, and the sickness has only started with teh Felimazole, but surely it can't get into his system that quickly?
My money would be on the felimazole. The vet and the literature may tell you it doesn't make them sick or can't react that quickly but you need only visit the Yahoo Feline-Hyper-T site to find out that it can and does. Is he on one twice a day? If so, its worth starting with a lower dose. Vets in the US now recommend that but UK vets still stick to 5mg twice a day and it seems to knock some cats for six, especially skinny ones with very high T4 like Valentino. My Tiny was only 2.8 kg and he was very ill when started on the 'normal' dose but when we stopped it he was fine. Tried again with the same result so we stopped it again then built it up slowly and he was OK.
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Carol, I can imagine it must knock them for 6, it must be as if their system is suddenly trying to go into reverse.
Felimazole is available in 2.5mg tablets - our vet started the Proot off on two of these a day as he was so skinny, I can't really remember him having any side effects.
Keeping everything crossed here.
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Martha was just 2.25kg & hyperthyroid when I rescued her in Aug 2005 - I've been crushing her Felimazole and adding it to her food ever since. If Tino is happy to take his abs this way, I would do the same with his thyroid medication.
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Thanks everyone, your thoughts mean a lot. Vets advice is to give him a few days break to let his stomach settle down, and then put him down to one a day (they are the 2.5mg, not the 5mg), the packaging says it can cause vomiting, but you dont expect it within half an hour. One other thing she mentioned was that it shouldnt be used in cats with liver issues, and he does have high ALT and ALK-P, but both those could be raised due to the hyper-t, so seems a bit of an odd contradiction really, as the liver can regnerate, but you would need the thyroid to come down first. If he is still being sick on one a day (which i think he will, as he was sick after his first tablet), then we will change his medication. I hope that works, as I dont know what we will do otherwise. I have just put his last antibiotic into his food, which he has ignored, hopefully he will eat that while I am at work (have given him something else as well). he seems to prefer food in gravy, which I am sure does nothing for his stomach, but he needs the food.
i am very puzzled by the crushing element though, the packaging tells you not too, and my vet said it was harmful to both him and me to crush them (I assume harmful to me cos of the teratogen aspect), she mentioned something about the coating and release of the tablet.
I should have expected some reaction though, this is one of my cats!!
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Typical cat, preferring the type of meat that's not the best for him! Hope he eats the food while you're at work Desley. :hug:
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keep at it Desley you will get there in the end and it wouldn't be rescue if you didn't sort one problem and another arose!
fingers crossed he starts to eat properly like a good boy and take his meds....... well we can hope! ;)
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One other thing she mentioned was that it shouldnt be used in cats with liver issues, and he does have high ALT and ALK-P, but both those could be raised due to the hyper-t, so seems a bit of an odd contradiction really, as the liver can regnerate, but you would need the thyroid to come down first.
I should have expected some reaction though, this is one of my cats!!
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Am pretty sure that they mean it souldn't be used in cats with liver disease as a separate condition in itself, as opposed to being caused by hyper-t, but then you don't know if it's caused by the hyper-t or not yet!
At least there are still options to be tried/other meds etc.
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WEll, at least his ab's are over (even if he didnt eat his last one!!), so he can now have food with no nasty meds in, so should be willing to eat more. I do wonder if he is feeling a tad sick at times, as he acts hungry and does gulp a bit, but then wont eat straight away - however he eats pretty much everythign that is down while I am at work/asleep. He did eat a bit more than normal yesterday, so hopefully that is a good sign - we have a vet visit for Mon anyway, as I want him weighing. I have no idea what to tell my neighbours to feed him, as I havent found much he will consistently eat, although now I am not hiding meds in his food that may change.
Thanks Baggy, think the vet was of the opinion that we have to at least try it, as there is a chance his numbers will come down, we didn't do any further testing on his liver due to waiting for the thyroid results. TBH, I dont think I would push for too much testing on his liver, or meds due to his age, and how difficult he is to medicate. I still think he will only be here for months, unless we can find a thyroid med that I can get into him and works, then I might change my mind, but his age and condition are against him.
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Hope Tino picks up now he has 1 less med to take
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WEll, at least his ab's are over (even if he didnt eat his last one!!), so he can now have food with no nasty meds in, so should be willing to eat more.
I hope that he will. He deserves to be able to enjoy some good food :hug:
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i am very puzzled by the crushing element though, the packaging tells you not too, and my vet said it was harmful to both him and me to crush them (I assume harmful to me cos of the teratogen aspect), she mentioned something about the coating and release of the tablet.
I think there's been a debate on this before and it was Millys Mum(?) who pointed out the teratogen aspect first to me - my understanding is that the risk only applies to a foetus, so unless you are pregnant or trying for a baby, it's not worth worrying about.
As far as a cat is concerned, I know it's not the ideal way to dose, but Martha was impossible to pill and surgery was out of the question (19 years old, in terrible condition - incl. heart and not expected to live beyond a few weeks) - almost 4 years on, she's put on a kg in weight and still with us (bless), so it can be done.
Anyway, I hope you find something that works for Tino - I think I might have a bit of a soft spot for him. :shy: :)
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Thanks everyone - I am off early in the morning for a well deserved weekend away, so he is in the care of my neighbours, I have left a variety of pouches and told them to give him as much as he likes, he has eaten a bit better today, although has also brought small amounts up. We have a vet visit for Mon afternoon, as he hasn't been wormed yet, and there is no way I can get a tablet into him!! I will also be getting him weighed, and we can start again on a lower dose of Felimazole, if that doesn't work, I will be picking up alternative meds on Tues. I will also be making a trip to PAH for some more cat milk for him, as I think we are down to the last bottle.
Where do you live Jasmine??
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How's he doing now Desley? And did you have a good weekend away? :)
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I was wondering how the vet visit went too, hope all went well xx
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Sorry, things have been hectic since I got back!! He has put on 100g since his dental, which isn't great, but at least it is in the right direction. We are on 1 Felimazole a day at present, which I am really struggling to get in him, and vet has prescribed Antepsin for his nausea - he eats that in Primula, but now he has bad diarrhea, not sure if it is the Primula, or the gourmet food I am getting him to eat, as that is in gravy (or both) - he did eat 3 little tins last night, plus some sliced meat and biscuits, and half a tin plus a full pouch this morning, and he has had his Antepsin (thought that if I just do it once a day, it shouldnt be too much Primula, and it has helped his appetite cos he obviously doesn't feel as sick - once the tabs run out, I might ask for it in liquid form). One worrying thing the vet said was that as the nausea/sickness is worse since his dental, there is a chance the anaesthetic could have made his liver worse - luckily it can regenerate, so not going to ask for further tests until he has had a decent amount of time on the Felimazole, in case that can help reduce his liver values - although if the dental tipped his liver over, the Felimazole might not be a good option!! So the next month is still quite touch and go, whether we can stablise his thyroid or not, and whether his liver (or indeed kidneys) have got worse with the dental. He is a lot happier in himself though, and I am debating taking him out of isolation.
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He certainly sounds a happier cat Desley.
I sympathise about trying to give him the tablets. We had to give up Paddy's Felimazole in the end because so many were being wasted (discarded carefully in various hidey holes) our vet said it was doing little or no good, and we were all getting stressed beyond belief in the process.
Glad to hear he's eating better, and hope his tum settles soon.
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He is, and even willingly jumping on my knee, even though his legs still arne't great. I dont think I could give up on thyroid meds for him, with how high his values are, but if we continue to struggle, I will have to chat with the vet about it.
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We had similar problems getting our cats to take them too, glad Tino seems better than he was though and has gained a little weight hope his tum settles down now.
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Our vet still bemoans the fact that he can't give cats like Paddy the old style injections which were withdrawn for use on cats as in his opinion, it was a better option for those that wouldn't take oral medication and weren't suitable candidates either for thyroid removal or for radiotherapy treatment.
So glad he's actively seeking affection though - he clearly appreciates your care for him Desley. :)
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Awww, hope his tummy settles down again soon, its good news that he seems happier though, definitely sounds like an improvement :Luv2:
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It sounds like progress anyway, 100g doesn't sound like much but as he's so skinny it means he's gained almost 5% of his total bodyweight! Great to hear he is seeking out lap and fuss.
Interesting about the Antepsin - our vet told us it wasn't available in tablet form...we had the liquid version for Dinah, which she wouldn't touch on food so we had to syringe it (it made her drool if it didn't go straight down) and would rather have had tablets.
His system must still be settling down, let's hope he does well on the Felimazole.
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Thanks everyone - I didn't think of it like that Gill, I was just thinking that he is still 300g lighter than when he first came here.
Trust me, you wouldnt like the tablet Antepsin form, it is just as big as some of my tablets, not sure how they expect you to get them into a cat!! They are very crumbly too, so wouldnt like to give them to a cat that wouldn't tolerate it mixed in with something.
i 'think' he got last nights tablet, I hid it in some meat, and he wouldnt eat it, but he did overnight - hasn't eaten as much wet food last night, but he did eat a lot the night before and in the morning - he is very slightly more solid though, just so much of it!! I do wish that he would eat sensitivity food.
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:cheer: 100g :cheer:
The felimazole, food and your TLC must be working!
Tino, bless him, so reminds me of Reg (RIP).
( live in Warwickshire by the way... probably can't take another cat... probably too far away anyway... although I'm good at crushing medication you shouldn't! :rofl:)
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Cheers Jasmine - can't say the Felimazole has helped, he has hardly had any, will speak to the vet next Mon (just in case I find a good way of getting them in him between now and then!!) - he did spit out last nights, i found it hidden when I hoovered!! Not even attempted to get tonight's down him yet, he is chilling in the cat room at the moment, I popped him in there to hoover the bathroom and he has taken over the windowsill, bless him. We are still having tummy issues, and he is much happier eating food in gravy, even though I know it wasnt the best thing for him, but quality has to be better than quantity.
Shame you are so far away from us Jasmine.
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... probably too far away anyway...
Always ways round that! ;) He's a sneaky lad isn't he?
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he is chilling in the cat room at the moment, I popped him in there to hoover the bathroom
You get your fosters to do housework? :rofl:
Glad the little fella is relaxing and beginning to enjoy his food.
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Of course C - they have to contribute!! :-)
His poo's are pretty much back to normal, I have been reducing his food in gravy, as he does enjoy it, he seems to do OK as long as he gets something else as well, but I do think the HiLife pate is a bit rich for him. He has been sick overnight and not eaten as much wet, he is tucking into an Asda foil tray at the moment and I have mixed some Antepsin in some cat milk, to see if he can tolerate that, as it does seem to have been the cheese causing the upset tum.
He has had some time out of the cat room, but isn't keen on any of the other cats, think he has growled at everyone now!! Should be an interesting integration. I hadn't realised just how tall a cat he is, until you see him near the others, and hopefully the walking around will help his back legs, as he does still have some weakness - did give him a Seraquin, but he ignored it.
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Desley, I'm really chuffed to hear that the wee man is doing well. well done :hug: long may it continue! :)
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i am, although the medication is still an issue, and after talking to a friend with a thyroid prob, if we can't get meds into him and stabilise him, he could suffer - there were a couple of things she said were symptoms and it was like 'yep, he has that' - and I hadn't realised they were thyroid related - things like his sweaty chest fur, it is a sign of how hot his core temperature is, and why he shuns the bed near the radiator for the one in front of the bath, and he is happier sleeping on the floor or a puppy pad. Glad I didn't give him teh heat pad!! I bought him some nice food like Sheba and Gourmet yesterday (reluctant with the high meat content as he is already prone to an iffy tum. He ate loads yesterday, and he has tucked in well today.
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Glad to see his appetite's picking up nicely.
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He ate really well yesterday, and it took 3 attempts with beef spread, but i eventually got his tablet into him. He's completely off his cat milk though, but eating more dry. He has had some time out of isolation, but he keeps crying at the front door to go out.
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He sounds to be doing really well Desley :)
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How long have you had him, Desley? Could you give him supervised out time? Glad he's eating well. :)
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Little butter has twigged with the beef spread, so didn't get a tablet yesterday. He was also sick, so he got some Antepsin in cheese and not convinced he got the full dose of that either. Going to have to speak to the vet later as he hasn't had a full week of them yet.
he has been here a month JS, still a tad soon to be going out I think. i carried him downstairs last night and popped him straight on my knee, he stayed there for quite a while, then had a wander and some chicken, so getting better at staying in.
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:) I'm sorry Desley, I shouldn't smile, because I know how worrying it is, but it's just so familiar. :hug:
Glad you got him to settle down on your knee to distract him from wanting to go out.
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Ahh, yep it probably is. Great that you managed to get a "distraction cuddle!"
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Still can't get any meds into this cat, and am waiting for the vet to find out where we go from here. he played a bit with Da Bird last night, till I got too close to his face and caught him, he got scared of it then, bless him. He is also losing a lot of fur this week. He isn't eating too bad, he loves teh Purely Salmon biscuits, although we lost out with the PAH food - it was supposed to be one lot in jelly and one in gravy, and both were pate style - normally he likes that (well, he loves ASda Tiger trays and Sheba) but barely touched the PAH stuff, so apart from biscuits he has'nt had too much today
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Oh Desley, its really hard when they dont take med :( Can i suggest some thing, thats how i get Phoebes tablets to her. I dont leave any food for her at nights so by early morning she is really hungry , the first thing i put down for her has her tablet and its a tiny bit , either a teaspoon of cat food or little bit of fresh meat, once she has that then i put the rest down :sneaky: Most days it works because she is hungry i hate knowing there is no food during the night if she feels hungry but she needs her medication. Just try this for Tino, because of his condition he must feel hungry most of the times so it might work for him. :hug:
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Sending positive vibes Des so Valentino can take his meds~~~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Not too sure that would work Pav, I hid it in his leftover tea other night, and he ate everything and must have spat it out - last week I gave him a plate of chicken, one piece had a tab hidden and he ate every piece but that one!! Last night it was in a ball of cheese, he ate round it. I was telling my nurse friend last night that it is sugar coated so it slowly releases into their system, and she said that if I crushed it, it would either give him a large hit in one dose, which could affect his liver, or reduce the effect. Will chase the vet today.
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Desley, what i meant was dont put all his food down in one go, first leave a tiny amount with the tablet in and if he is hungry he will go for it and then put the rest down. :hug:
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I was telling my nurse friend last night that it is sugar coated so it slowly releases into their system, and she said that if I crushed it, it would either give him a large hit in one dose, which could affect his liver, or reduce the effect.
If you have run out of options Desley, I would think it worth the risk - I not only crushed Martha's felimazole, but also Reg's.
I also did the same as Pav - didn't leave food down and 'starved' them for a few hours, then gave the minutest portion of food with the crushed tablet in and made sure they ate that up before serving the main meal!
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although we lost out with the PAH food - it was supposed to be one lot in jelly and one in gravy, and both were pate style
Iv also been had by this, completely misleading packaging >:(
Have you tried a pill popper?
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Managed to get two tablets in a row into him, but then he started passing bloody mucus, so stopped the tabs again, and only gave him a light tea of chicken breast, and left him with just a few biscuits overnight. He is pretty much back to normal this morning, so will have to ask the vet for the other thyroid meds tomorrow - that is twice he has had 2 in a row and he has had some kind of reaction, so I dont think he can tolerate Felimazole. Got permission to let him out though, he isn't going to be leaving here, and unless he can respond to the new thyroid meds, he will only have months, so he might as well have some pleasure, and he doesn't like being cooped up.
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Oh Desley, another one that's showing negative signs. :( You are a true star, do you know that? :hug: Sending fuss to Tino.
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I don't know how you do it, time after time
here's hoping Tino has lots of quality life, even if the quantity is limited :hug:
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Hugs to you and Tino, Desley :hug: I hope a change of medication will see him right.
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I don't know how you do it, time after time
Could'nt agree more..... :bow: :bow: :bow:
Positive vibes for Tino~~~~~ :hug:
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Thanks everyone, the thoughts mean a lot - never had so many poorly cats in such quick succession, can't wait for a nice young foster - only a few months ago I was glad to see the back of the last one, but have had a lot of heartache since then!! Fingers crossed he can tolerate the alternative thyroid med, but as the vet said, there are probably other things going on with him, there is a chance his liver is a lot worse,or it could be his kidneys, as he is sick even without the Felimazole. He has had a good day today though, he has been allowed out twice, for about half an hour each time, the first time was funny though, as I kept following him as I was concerned about him not finding his way back, and Sam and Kizzy kept following me, so it was a bit like the Pied Piper!! he managed to climb my neighbours tree though, which amazed me - his legs went funny last night and he knocked his water flying!! He thinks he should be allowed out again though, had to have a battle of wills. He is very restless tonight though, and he hasn't eaten as much as I gave him some chicken and pumpkin Applaws, and he obviously doens't like that - and the food I have been hiding his meds in has barely been touched, cos i tried him on something new!
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Tino climbing a tree - bless him - is a reminder that cats don't know they're ill, and shouldn't be doing such things - a lesson for us there, perhaps
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Tino climbing a tree - bless him - is a reminder that cats don't know they're ill, and shouldn't be doing such things - a lesson for us there, perhaps
I couldn't agree more, Trigger.
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Tino climbing a tree - bless him - is a reminder that cats don't know they're ill, and shouldn't be doing such things - a lesson for us there, perhaps
You're right, but I don't think I could ever climb a tree though :evillaugh:
Their curiosity often seems to keep them going and make them feel better. Great that he's at least feeling up to a bit of exploring...
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Well, i picked up some Vidalta last night, and he didnt seem to notice it in his bowl of food - my only problem is he seems very picky, he will only eat one food for so long before going off it - he currently has 3 bowls of wet food to see what he feels like today - and he went for hte one he shunned two days ago!! I have bloods booked for a couple of weeks time to see what is going on with his liver and kidneys, but there hasn't been any sick for a couple of days, and his tum was normal overnight (although wasn't yesterday day). He had about an hour out again last night, although had to be retrieved, and he is a bit short tempered, so I have a nice scratched ear and a couple of bruises where he tried to bite me, so he isn't going out again till weekend. HE wont settle on my knee for that long, althoguh he doesnt settle anywhere for that long, it is really his only hyper sign.
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Fingers crossed the Vidalta will work for him :Luv2:
And tree climbing, wow, he certainly doesn't believe he's a sick cat :) :Luv:
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He has started with bloody mucus again - managed longer with Vidalta than Felimazole though, so need to speak to the vet and decide if we continue and see if it passes, or whether we call it quits with the meds - he is on the lowest possible dose of Vidalta, which is normally only for mild hyper-t. He is up to be weighed etc in a few weeks time, so might be worth continuing till then.
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He's a roller coaster this one, isn't he? :hug: Hoping the vet has something positive to say.
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WEll, he has eaten round the last two, and off NOAH compendium, it only stays in their system for 48 hours, so will be pretty much back to non-treated now. His tum is still off, and back to bloody mucus, so maybe it isn't tablet related - both hyper-t and liver issues can cause diarrhea though. He was really picky with his food overnight, he barely ate, turned his nose up at Applaws this morning, so gave him some Sheba that was donated, which did the trick, he has eaten all that, so have let him go out to play, he hasn't been out since Thurs, so hoping that will help him, he was rather unsettled last night, wouldnt' sit with me.
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How's he doing today Desley?
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Dont seem to be doing too bad today, we had a bad day yesterday, he wouldnt touch wet food, he only ate chicken until about 9, when he deigned to have some biscuits (he did have 2 bowls of wet food, a bowl of biscuits and a saucer of cat milk in front of him!!), but luckily he ate some Sheba and cat biscuits overnight, and tucked into his Asda food (which typically I decided not to buy yesterday, as he had turned his nose up at the Felix foil!!). i managed to get some SEB powder from a health food shop, so mixed a bit of that in each of his bowls to try and help his tum, he still isn't completely solid, so maybe it isn't tablet related. He isn't staying out for as long now, I think he realises he has a couple of hours where the door is open and he can come and go as he pleases, and I think he enjoys the sofa quite a lot too, he barely moved off it yesterday, and when he did, it was to sleep in his bed in the kitchen
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Good to hear he's more relaxed about his access to outside, and thank goodness he's still eating, albeit pickily. I find that food Paddy will eat one day he'll turn his nose up at the next, so I try and rotate over a period of days/weeks, trying anything that catches my eye when I'm out and about. Have discovered that Paddy's rather fond of Shippams sandwich paste recently. That was a complete surprise.
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my food of last resort is dressed crab - usually accompanied with a slice of finger as it's snatched out of my hand
I do like hearing how Tino is doing - you are so patient with him, and he is leading you such a dance over his food
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my food of last resort is dressed crab - usually accompanied with a slice of finger as it's snatched out of my hand
I do like hearing how Tino is doing - you are so patient with him, and he is leading you such a dance over his food
And again you make me chuckle, Trigger :rofl: I concur with your second statement too.
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You can guarantee if you have one pouch/tray/tin of something left, that's the one they'll eat!!
Dinah was horribly picky too, having three plates out with different choices on sounds familiar...she loved chicken livers though. Not the best thing for cats, but if you can bear the smell they cook in about 2 mins in the microwave.
Good that he is sounding more settled now, and learning to love the sofa. Frustrating that his tum won't settle though.
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Thanks everyone, he is still eating well, and even ate the SEB in his food yesterday, which I wasn't convinced about!! His fur is going yucky again, and his heartrace looks ever so fast, so as he still has an upset tum without meds, I dropped a Felimazole into his food yesterday (Which it appears he ate, unless he spat it on the floor and I haven't found it yet!!) - I am not going to stress if he eats round some of them, and if I can get two a week into him, I will be very pleased!! Him and Sam are a nuisance when I open the fridge at the moment, they know there is chicken in there, and come running everytime I go in it!! I did take some pics of him last night, I must get round to uploading them on here. He's going to have to make do with teh food in the house till Sat though, am refusing to go to the supermarket again!! I did get him some Sheba on Sat though, and he still has some of the pate Asda food left.
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Not had a great day today, he has been a bit quiet, and despite the door being open for hours, he was sat on the sofa (unusual for him), he has been a bit off his food and had a dodgy tum too. We had a nice few hours sat on the sofa though, him at the side of me and Suzy on my knee, but when I brought him down after tea for a friend to look at him, he is limping on his back leg, hopefully he has just pulled it jumping, I am going to book him in for a couple of days time in case it is just that and it settles down (he can't have Metacam cos of his liver, and he is at the vets a week on Tues for repeat bloods anyway, I have also hidden some Seraquin in his tea, and will hide some Noractive in his breakfast). It isn't stopping him using the stairs or jumping on and off the sofa fortunately. She pointed out his breathing is fast,and I know his heart is fast, so not sure what his tests are going to show, as he has been drinking more this week - we are only doing basic bloods, as he hasn't had enough thyroid med, no point testing it, it is still going to be high. So fingers crossed his limp is nothing, because in himself he does seem fine, he is fussing for food, pottering about etc.
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Fingers crossed that tomorrow brings improvements in his symptons Desley :hug:
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Sending hugs x
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Me too - his back end is looking thinner too, so I might not post the pics I took today, all bar one he does look really thin on, so am not sure he will have gained any weight.
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That's the one thing I've noticed with Max over the last few months, his back end getting a bit skinnier. We're off to the vets on Weds for his next lot of bloods, so I reckon he might have lost a bit more weight too.
They can be such a worry :shy:
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They like to make you panic, don't they? Hope Tino has a better day tomorrow. :hug:
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Sending a gentle hug for Tino, Desley.
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Hope he picks up soon xx
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Hugs to Tino from me too :hug:
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Here's hoping he had a better day today...
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Thanks - he ate OK yesterday, despite me dosing all his meals, so he pretended not to want them, but he didn't get a choice!! He had a nice evening, spent most of it on the sofa, so maybe he is just happy that he can spend all his time on there rather than having to be out all the time - the only downside is he sits on my half of the sofa and sprawls out, so I had to eat my tea in an awkward position round him!! Very bright eyed, and that limp isn't stopping him (and it wasn't obvious this morning), so dont think I will take him this week, as if I do, he will still have to go next Tues for his bloods. His tum is still very dodgy though, but his fur feels better, and no sign of dehydration
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Oh Desley! :rofl: :rofl: He's all cat! And just what makes you think it's your half of the sofa, eh? Eh?!
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ahh, bless him!
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Hurrah! That's a positive post. :) I don't have a half of our sofa, I sit where I can. :shocked:
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Aww, bless gorgeous Tino. :Luv: x
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I wouldn't mind, but there are 2 2seater sofas, one has a nice set up for the cats with blankets, and he keeps sitting where I always sit!! He does have a special cushion on the back of the sofa now too though!! He hardly bothered with me last night though.
I am worried about his bloods next week though, his poo is rarely solid these days, despite some SEB in his food every day, and he felt bonier on his chest last night, so I wonder if he has lost some weight (when he had his dental, I was expecting some weight loss, but I wouldnt have said 400g like the scales said, so I am worried that I am not judging his weight right again), plus the fact he is drinking more.
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I wonder if he is liking the heat from your seat? :evillaugh:
Sending positive vibes for Tino's blood result next week! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I doubt it BM - he gets to the seat before I do!! I have stopped all meds in his food now, and he seems much happier - something has helped his limp though. He didn't really sit with me last night, not sure where he spent part of the evening, but at least he feels comfortable to sleep in the cat room. Last day at work for 10 days, so he will have lots of freedom.
Thanks for the vibes, I think we will need them
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:hug: :hug: For you and Tino. :)
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:hug: He's going to *love* pinching the sofa off you for the next 10 days :naughty:.
If he's happy, that's the main thing really.
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Thanks - decided he can have loads of freedom this next 10 days (I need to keep him isolated at night and while i am not here to monitor his food and toilet) he has already settled himself there, so have left him to it (with a bowl of food at the side of him, naturally!!). He had a really upset tum last night, and was sick as well, poor baby, I need to see if the vet can suggest anything to help him become solid, anything that has to be put in his mouth isn't an option, and I can only get small amounts of SEB in his food. He has eaten OK this morning (have stopped all meds for a couple of days, he was getting fussy cos of all his food being medicated)
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Just logging in to send hugs to Tino :hug: and hope his digestive system can be sorted out. I'm sure he'll enjoy pottering in and out, anyway.
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:( Hope you can get something for poor Tino's tum, do you think SEP really works though? I have tried it for myself and I just find it makes me feel worse, it may be good to build you up but I don't think it does alot tum wise
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Peridale granules might be worth a go, you can sprinkle them on food, and although they smell odd to me, Dinah ate them in food so they must taste ok. They're supposed to stop runny bums as well as constipation.
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Thanks, will ask the vet for some on Tues. He had a normal poo overnight, but back to loose this morning - last nights tea did have SEB in it. I must also apologise for the lack of photos, I have taken loads, but he does look so thin and bony in them I am reluctant to post them. He is certainly happy, although he was funny yesterday - he spent quite a lot of time in the cat room, he would sit on my knee while I was in there, but not too bothered with me when we came downstairs - he did try, but then Sam tried to join in and Tino didn't like Sam being that close!!
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This little guy is very special. He certainly has ideas of his own. Bless you Desley. You couldn't be a better carer for this little man. :cuddle:
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Delsey, I've said it before and I'll say it again - you are a total hero for the care you give these old codgers - it is clearly no easy job to keep the Tinos on the right side of quality life and your dedication is extraordinary
I reckon there must be a special section up at Rainbow Bridge for Delsey's golden oldies, where the grass is extra soft, and the flowers smell extra sweet
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He sure is, my sis came round earlier, and he had a good cuddle with her, and she agreed that his fur has got a lot better since being here (I thought it had, but couldnt be 100% sure), and he got bought some nice new food from Asda and PAH, he can just about manage the salmon Dreamies treats (didn't like chicken or the cheese ones though!!), and a friend kindly gave us some sliced chicken this morning (he doesn't know about that yet though, had a hectic day today) - first thing he did when he went outside was roll in the dust, he obviously doesn't want to be a nice clean white and black cat!!
Thank you Trigger, it certainly isn't an easy job, and I do feel I need a break now (although not sure how much of a break it will be, cos at the very least there is my 16 and 19yo - well, Zi will be next month, and Sam who is 11/12 yo with health issues!!), 5 terminally ill in 13 months, with the past 6 having at least one, and quite a bit of time with 2 has been hard. Although everyone on here who knows me knows that me and no dont seem to know each other when it comes to cats!!!
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Tino has his repeat bloods today, so can we have some vibes please? I'm not going to do thyroid on him again as he hasn't taken enough meds, so it will just be basic in house ones that I will get back today - am not sure they will be very good. His pupils are always quite dilated too. But, he really enjoys pottering about the house, and sleeping on the sofa, or the chair in the cat room, so no immediate decision needs to be made.
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Lots of good vibes for Tino :Luv: he sounds a happy, content old boy
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Lots of positive vibes on their way Desley :hug:
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Thanks - not the most promising vet visit - started off with the vet passing comment that he doesn't look great!! He now weighs 3.05kg, which is more than he did at his dental, but less than when he came in - at least he has put half of his lost weight back on, so there is a chance for the other half. We really struggled with bloods though, apparently his blood pressure was really dire, so we nearly didn't get bloods out of him!! When she went to check his heart, I pointed out that I can see his heart beating really fast, which the vet said isn't a good sign, and the smell from his mouth that started a couple of days ago is likely due to his kidneys (I had suspected that, but prayed it wasn't) - that is an incredibly bad sign though. So there is a very good chance his kidneys are going, and combined with untreatable hyper-t, means he wont have long. We have some Pro-kolin for his tum, as if we can't control his tum and he does have kidney failure, it will cause him to get worse even quicker due to dehydration.
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So sorry to hear that things are taking a turn for the worst Desley. You are doing everything for him that you can he just got to you too late.
He is comfortable and happier than he has probably been in a long time. If you can make his time to the end as comfortable as possible then you have fulfilled your role in his life, however short or long a time that is.
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Sorry to hear this Desley, hopefully he will have a good amount of quality time left :hug:
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Sorry to hear this, Desley. At least he is living out his days in comfort.
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oh dear, lots of positive thoughts going his way xx
when do you get the results back?
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Sending lots of positive vibes Tino's way~~~~~~~ :hug:
Sorry things arnt sounding to good....but he is in the best place possible! :Luv: :hug:
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Am sad to hear this Desley, but you've given him so much in this latter part of his life. Hoping he'll have a little time left yet. :hug:
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:hug: Desley, I'll say it again - you'll do what's best for Tino, just as you did for all your other oldies. A lot of older cats are lucky there are people like you in the world. Sending Tino fuss.
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Thanks everyone - we only did in house results so they have come back - his ALK-P is so high the machine can't read it, and his ALT has got a lot higher too, which explains the sickness, and the drinking. His kidneys look fine, which is amazing, although there can be 75% loss before they show up. So it is just a case of monitoring and if the sickness and diarrhea get too bad, I have to let him go, but hopefully he can have some quality time till then - the vet did warn me last month we were down to months, and I have said from teh start I only thought he had months - hasn't stopped me being upset, but as I said to the vet, at least he is in a home environment, as I picked him up from the streets, it could have been so much worse for him. Seeing him sprawl out on the sofa or chair, enjoying coming and going, he has a good enough quality of life for now, and it is just a case of one day at a time with him.
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your role in life, Desley, seems to be making sure these lovely oldies have some quality home life for as long as possible, and when that is no longer feasible, as good an end as any cat could hope for
and I can't think of a better one :hug:
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It does seem that way at the moment, I am going to try and take a couple of younger cats in next though, just to have a bit of a break, although Sam is very good for comforting (so glad the rescue agreed not to rehome him due to his health - no signs of being ill fortunatley, but he is borderline for so many things, who knows when that will change) and I have plenty of choc and alcohol in the house.
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Big hugs for Tino :hug:
I'd like to do what you do Desley but for some reason I don't think they get that many oldies round here, whenever I've asked or maybe the fosters keep the older ones? I have thought of asking about fostering old and ill cats they get in is that what you did?
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Will pm you Jane. I foster anything that is needed, it just seems that we have had a lot of old poorly strays recently.
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Thanks Desley
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Aww, sorry to hear that 'Tino is not as well as he could be. All I can do is echo what has already been said here, he's in the best place possible with you, and the pleasure he's getting from your sofa must mean so much to him!
Hope he will continue to enjoy pottering on for a while yet. :Luv:
I can quite understand that you feel a break from the oldies would do you good. :hug:
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Thanks - he is certainly happy enough, although I am sure he would prefer his food not to have medication in it!! His fur is coming out in clumps though, I hope it is just normal moulting, but I did take a tremendous amount off him yesterday. He doesn't seem to be aware of the fact he is on limited time, he seems very content, even if he does rebel about being in isolation from time to time!! I hope he has a lot of time left, but realistically I do think it will only be months if we are lucky, but he will be spoilt as it is all about quality now.
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He doesn't seem to be aware of the fact he is on limited time, he seems very content, even if he does rebel about being in isolation from time to time!! I hope he has a lot of time left, but realistically I do think it will only be months if we are lucky, but he will be spoilt as it is all about quality now
That's the main thing - that he's content, and enjoying himself. That's down to you, that is - he's blossomed under your care. :hug:
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Thanks - my mum was of the 'let him go' opinion at first, until she popped round today - he wouldnt let her back out of the bathroom, cos he wanted a fuss, and her exact words were 'he doesn't act ill', so even she has changed her mind - he is eating really well today, poo still not solid, and still clumps of fur all over the place, but that doesn't seem to bother him too much. I bought him some nice new food at the cash and carry, he wolfed the first pouch. I was bad and forgot his chicken though!!
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certainly sounds as though he is happy Desley and thats what counts! ;)
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He does still sound a happy boy :) and that is good news.
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:hug: :hug: Am glad your Mum has seen him like that. I know I've said this before, but let him set his own pace. You'll know when things are getting a bit much for him, but meanwhile - if he's happy in himself..... Paddy's been written off by our vet on more than occasion, but thank heavens he never takes any notice! :)
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HE is happy, although I seem to have overdosed him on Dreamies treats looking at the contents of his litter tray - will limit those now!! He still isn't keen on the Prokolin in his food, so I have only just let him out of isolation for today in the attempt to make him eat some of it!! I have pulled some turkey out of the freezer for his tea, so he will have some nice, unmedicated food then, an I might be brave and try and put the Prokolin in his mouth.
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WEll, he had a fab afternoon - started off grumpy cos I had to go out unexpectedly and he had just wanted to get some fresh air!! He was funny with his turkey, he actually jumped on the worktop while it was cooking and then camped out on the fridge freezer to wait!! He actually did spend some time sat on my knee yesterday too, which was nice and he even got to spend the night loose in teh house cos of how him and Sam were sleeping, I didn't want to disturb them.
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awwwwwww bless them :Luv2:
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lovely piccies :Luv:
if he can jump up on a work top there is certainly life left in the old dog cat
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Thanks - he definitely does still have life in him, I was shocked to see him jump on the worktop, and then to see him on the fridge freezer - he might look frail, but certainly isn't stopping him!! He also had a good roll in the dust outside too, he loves doing that.
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Desley, those photos do my heart good. :wow: :hug:
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Awww :Luv2: :Luv2: , they both look great. x
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Aw bless....they both looked so chilled out and happy! :Luv: :Luv:
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They were both happy last night - I wasn't, as first they laid on my knee and stopped me doing paperwork, then they laid on the paperwork!! He has had another good afternoon, had a potter and roll round outside, and some more turkey, but I did put some med in his tea, so now refusing to eat that!!
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Tino is still really picky with his food, we must have gone through 5 kinds of wet food this weekend, going to buy something he ate last weekend tonight, he hasn't even eaten much chicken this morning, he has had some dry overnight though. I dont know if he is just having a couple of off days (he has eaten dry overnight), or if this is his way of saying he is feeling too bad.
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Aw bless him...its really upsetting when they dont eat as they should, atleast a bit of dry is better than nothing but as you know you would prefer the wet! :(
Hope this is just a few days off and beautiful Tino will pick up from this....Good Luck Des! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
C'mon Tino you can do it!!!
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Desley, Paddy has days like this when he won't eat, but for the most part he makes up for it later.
He loses weight quickly, which is always alarming, but then he regains substance when he does eat. It's not ideal, I agree, but so long as he's still pottering, rolling and sitting on things to stop you reading them, and "enjoying life with Desley," then try not to fret too much. :hug:
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Our cats have always had days where they don't fancy eating, even humans feel like that sometimes, I would just see how he goes xx
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This is more days than normal though, I wonder if it is the heat, I had turned the heating up in his room last week, so turned that back down again, but he did something really odd this morning - he jumped in the bath after I had my shower (he is known to jump on the windowsill while I am in the shower), and was sniffing the bottom of the bath. I tried to stop him as I had used shower gel, and in the end put his bowl in the bath with him, and he did drink some of it - I also wiped his legs and chest with cold water to help him cool down, as he is looking rather sweaty again. I bought him loads of food last night, he tucked into the first tray, but only ate half of what I put down and the same with his chicken. If it was any other cat, I Would say what he ate yesterday was enough, but iwht his thyroid he needs to be eating more. His tummy does still make noises, but I daren't put any meds into his food - what other way can I get SEB into him, bearing in mind he hates his mouth being touched. While he is eating somethign every day, I am going to give him some time in case it is just an off couple of days, but if he is still like this in a few days, then I will have to really think, as I suspect it is nausea, and having an upset tum at the moment myself, he can't be feeling great and he has no chance of getting better, so am I keeping him going for him or me?
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so am I keeping him going for him or me
I don't think so, hun. :hug: A cat who is suffering would not be so playful or interested in his surroundings, I feel. As JaneyK says, we all have days like that, and as we get older, they become more frequent than they ever were. Doesn't mean to say he's ready to jack it all in yet.
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Yeah, but living with constant nausea can't be good for him, and he still isn't completely solid (in fact, hardly pooed at all yesterday, unless it was while he was out), his tummy makes such awful noises.
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Are you able to get half a small tablet down him Des? I mean hidden in the chicken or whatever?
Them tablets I mentioned to you are working wonders on Teddie....she has managed to keep everything down for over 4 weeks now! ;)
But saying that she has no problems with her tummy or eating and I know that what does one cat good may not be the answer for another! :Crazy:
Positive vibes coming Tino's way~~~~~~~ :hug:
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Doubt it - he is very good at finding tablets in things, and can spit them out 3 times in a row, or ignore the one piece of chicken that has meds in it!! I have some Periactin in, but he isnt being sick.
He seemed a lot brighter when I got home last night, and interested in food, but then went really subdued, he didn't even come downstairs last night, and didn't eat much overnight (I did leave him 3 kinds of wet food, plus chicken and dry), and while he seems interested this morning, he has barely touched anything. He is a bit snuffly, so left the shower on longer this morning for the steam, and have left a tissue with some eucalyptus oil on it for him to see if that helps clear him.
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Maybe as he's a bit bunged up he's having trouble with eating? Poor baby I hope he gets more good days.... :hug:
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Maybe, but I dont think he is going to have as long as I had hoped, I am tempted to make an app for this weekend, as even if I can pull him through this, it is only going to be a matter of time. My main concern is heart failure, everyhing I have read says symptoms are laboured breathing and coughing, rather than sneezing, so hopefully it is just a cold. HE has eaten more today than the rest of the week though, but barely moving from the cat room - he started off looking brighter, and I did get him to go downstairs, and he ate quite a bit out there (neighbours have seen it all now, me sat outside watching a cat eat, while two others hover thinking they can get something), but then he went straight back up into the cat room and didn't move - even when I tried to sit on the chair iwth him, he didn't want to know, and normally he loves to sit on my knee if I sit there. Thinking about it, I can't remember the last time he did jump on my knee, he jumped on my mum's last Wed but I'm not sure if he has jumped on mine since, and that is one of his favourite 'tricks' - wait till human is about to get up, then dive on!!
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you've been on a long journey with Tino, Desley, and I am so sorry you seem to be reaching the end of the road
it's wonderful that you have brought him so far, and I'm sure you will know when it's time to wish him God speed to the Bridge :hug:
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:hug: :hug: Not much that can be said really. You'll know when it's time and until then Tino is getting the love he deserves.
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:hug: :hug: Not much that can be said really. You'll know when it's time and until then Tino is getting the love he deserves.
Could'nt say it better myself! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks everyone, he had a really good night, so he has had a reprieve for the weekend, but I do think we are down to weeks going off his blood results - for some reason, he eats more outside (although still only half of what you give him, but at least he is having some food). I have just taken him outside for his breakfast, and he has eaten his half of a half tray, plus half a slice of ham. I made him come downstairs twice last night and he did stay - the second time he got fed up of sitting with me, and started eyeing up the ironing board (which I leave up all the time for Kiz), and he did manage to get on it, and slept there for a good hour till I had to go to bed, so definitely still some fight in him. Still sneezy though, so got plenty of steam going in the bathroom again, and had eucalyptus going last night.
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Yay! Glad to hear that he is having some happy times....hope it lasts for as long as possible! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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I am so pleased Tino is doing well for now :Luv: Sending him some good vibes and hope he has a good weekend . :hug: :hug:
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Sending lots of good vibes for Tino and hope you have a good weekend :hug:
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Desley, our local pound shop has Sudafed diffusers, do you want me to pick one up for you? (Well, Tino!) Glad he had a good night.
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for some reason, he eats more outside
Perhaps he's used to being fed outside?
All the best to him :hug:
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Thanks for the offer JS, but I think we should be OK with the eucalyptus in teh oil burner - I put some on a tissue and leave near him when I am at work.He is the hardest of the three terminally ill cats I have had in the last 6 months to work out, on one hand, he is bright and responsive, but on the other, he is barely eating, and with his hyper-t, he can't afford that, I can see a weight loss on his back end already. I have a vet appointment with Sam on Thurs, so I think I will give him till then and if no better, make that call, it gives a bit longer to see if today is just a one off, and I will obviously do everything I can to spoil him in case it isn't - he now has 3 kinds of sliced meat, fresh chicken, and a large choice of cat food!! he has enjoyed his ham, beef and tongue today, and had some normal cat food plus some dreamies treats. Wouldn't touch the cat milk though.
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Desley, if I come back as a cat, I hope I end up with you in my last months ;D
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One of my friends says that to me a lot!!
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WEll, all he had for his tea was sliced meat - he ignored the Sheba I went specially to Morrisons for, typical!! HE didn't eat anything I left down overnight though, and has only halfheartedly eaten some sliced meat this morning, and licked a bit of gravy from his pouch. He does smell incredibly bad though, it wasn't too bad yesterday afternoon, but by teatime it was getting worse, luckily not too bad this morning. IT is the same smell he had when he came, which was bad teeth, so I wonder if they are the real problem. If they are, there isnt much I can do, he can't have Antirobe as they are hard on the liver (he didn't have those after his dental), and I Wouldnt be able to hide normal ab's anywhere. His poos have also gone very small and dry, I think that could be a sign of something, but not sure what.
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Poor boy, Byron's smells bad if her 2 teeth are dodgey it must be awful for them. There is another ab because my vet said that if Byron couldn't tolerate antirobe for her teeth she would be able to give her a different sort, couldn't you crush a different type in some food or milk?
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He is currently on my knee, and nowhere near as smelly as yesterday, fortunately. I would really struggle with ab's, he has stopped drinking cat milk, he can find tablets in pretty much any treats, and isn't eating a lot of food to hide anything in. I know from experience that ther Convenia jab does nothing for mouth issues.
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Tino has shunned two kinds of cat food, but has eaten some sliced meat (although it is only the cheap stuff with additives) and now getting some fresh chicken breast. I do think I am going to have to make Thurs his final app, as much as I want him to have longer, he was laid in a sunny bit before, and while he looked really content, his back end looked a lot thinner, and his front end is such a mess with sweaty fur, the worst it has been I think. He can't be feeling very pleasant, cos if he is hot all the time and it is getting warmer, he is just going to feel worse.
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if he is struggling then of course you must step in and help him out
it's what we humans have to do for our furries - it isn't always easy though, is it? :'(
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It's so hard because mentally he is so bright, but his organs are failing, and I want him to go with dignity, while he is still alert, not wait till his body has completely given up, and if that means a bit less time with him, then it has to be, I would rather that than to wait and find out he has suffered.
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the worst thing about losing a much loved cat is being haunted by the manner of their death - so I do so understand :hug:
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I completely understand wanting the lad to have a little dignity at the end of his life. Although some cats just get really skinny when they age.
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It's so hard because mentally he is so bright, but his organs are failing, and I want him to go with dignity, while he is still alert, not wait till his body has completely given up, and if that means a bit less time with him, then it has to be, I would rather that than to wait and find out he has suffered.
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What an awful time for you both! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Desley, I don't think you've ever misjudged a decision like this yet. :hug:
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Thanks everyone - I went to bed last night very down and expecting to ring the vet today to get him in sooner than Thurs, as he spent all evening in the bathroom and barely touched his chicken. This morning, a brighter Tino who is scoffing his chicken like he hasn't eaten (well, sort of true), so he has a reprieve for the day, as he can cope with only eating chicken for a few days.
JS - obviously cats do get thin with age, but his is entirely health related, as his hyper-t is speeding up his metabolism and he isn't eating enough to keep up with it, he has already shown he can lose 400g in a week, and I suspect he has had another of those weeks.
Sue - sadly I have, my first ever cat. She started fitting in the early hours, and ended up on a drip at the emergency vet. We visited the day after, and she was still fitting when they took her off the morphine, so it was my choice to let her go or see if she had a chance, they did warn it was very slim - I let my neighbour talk me into giving her the chace, and she went an hour later alone, when she could have gone with me there - mind you, she didn't particularly like me, so whether she would have liked it or not I dont know (Her owner died and she had spent weeks outside cos her son didn't like cats, so she was a tad messed up)I think that is why I am so 'passionate' about being with them
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No Desley. You didn't - "I let my neighbour talk me into...." That's not quite the same thing. :hug:
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I agree with Sue - you're very good at judging these things. And with your first foster you'll have been nervous about making the decision and led a little more easily by someone you felt was more experienced regarding the decision.
I know you'll do what's right for Tino and give him the love that's due until it's time for him to go. :hug:
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I know you'll do what's right for Tino and give him the love that's due until it's time for him to go. :hug:
I couldn't have put that any better :hug:
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Sending you and Tino lots of :hug: :hug:
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Thanks everyone - apart from eating wise, he had a good night last night, spent loads of time on my knee, and was bright. Didn't eat too much overnight, but has just dived into a plate of chicken, so will make the appointment for tomorrow, it is so hard with him cos of him still being so responsive, but I can't keep putting it off forever.
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Aw Des please give Tino big hugs from me and mine.....and for you, well your just an angel! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Thinking of you both! :ahh:
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Thanks a lot, it isn't easy, as he is still alert in himself, but his tum looks a bit swollen, so I suspect fluid is starting to build up. He had a reasonable amount of chicken and a few biscuits yesterday, and just given him another plate full. I am going to leave the bathroom door open today for him, so if he wants to spend his last day on the sofa, he can.
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:( :'(
I've been following this thread but haven't been able to post because the story reminds me so much of my hyper-T cat Tiny's final weeks. I know how you must be feeling, Tiny was alert and interested till the end as well but he stopped eating and drinking and I wasn't going to force him with no hope of a recovery. Thinking of you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks Carol. I came home to him looking all regal at the top of the stairs. The vet confirmed he had a lot of fluid in his abdomen, and could hardly feel his liver and kidneys, so I think I did get the timing right, he had tucked into his breakfast this morning, and was still alert enough to growl at the vet - she did pass comment on how nice his fur was despite his health issues. RIP little one, I wish you could have had longer here, but at least you got 10.5 weeks in a home environment wiht a lap when you wanted it, a sofa, choice of beds and lots of food.
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RIP Sweet Tino...play hard at the bridge x
Des.... :care:
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Oh no! :'(
God Bless Tino
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Oh Desley. :care: You did such a wonderful thing, giving him love and a normal home environment.
RIP, Tino.
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Desley, bless you for the kindness you gave this noble gent. :hug: I know this is always the hardest part for you :hug: :hug: For any of us. :hug:
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Im so sorry to read this :( but at least he knew love and kindness with you :hug: and now hes suffering no more R.I.P. Tino, safe at the bridge :Luv:
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Thanks everyone, the comments mean a lot.
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Am very sad to hear this, godspeed gorgeous Valentino.
Sounds as if his last day was a good one, and you let him go with dignity at just the right time.
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I'm sorry Desley :hug: :hug:
You gave him home comforts, and more importantly lots of love, I'm sure Tino couldn't have asked for more :hug:
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Sending you a big :hug: Desley. You know you did the right thing but its never easy is it. Stay strong.
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:'( RIP sweet Tino xx
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RIP Sweetheart. :'(
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I have so enjoyed hearing about Tino, Desley, and I am very sorry to hear his indian summer with you has come to an end
but very glad too that he went to the Bridge with a smile on his face and chicken in his tum :Luv2:
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R.I.P. Tino :( :(
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Thanks for the nice comments everyone, they mean a lot.