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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Desley (booktigger) on December 22, 2008, 10:15:09 AM
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Sam is my latest foster, picked up as a 7mo, but the rescues vet thinks he is around 11-12 with a possible thyroid problem, so he is going to my vets for tests today (they were the only ones who could guarantee results back this week). He's also going to have a drontal down his neck too, lucky boy. Once we have the results of these, I will know if he can be put up for rehoming in the NEw Year or not. I have never dealt with a thryoid condition before, but seem to have done lots of 'firsts' this year!! The liver/kidney side is being done in house with the thyroid going to the lab, hopefully that will be back tomorrow, but they are open for a few hours on Christmas Eve, so I should be able to get them then at the latest.
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Good luck, Sam! :)
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Fingers crossed for good results :hug: :)
Max was diagnosed with a thyroid problem this year, which seems to be under control with Vidalta tablets at the moment.
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Best of luck for Sam Desley, our first 2 cats became hyperthyroid at about 13 yrs (as I had it at the same time all 3 of us were on the same medication - Carbimazole - very odd it was!)
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Good luck Sam
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Well, due to fact that he had a two week steroid jab, the vets couldnt do more than a thyroid test, as the steroids could skew the liver and kidney results. His mouth is a mess despite the jabs he had at the rescue's vets, so he has some more ab's to see if these help. IT is a wonder he can still eat, there was smell from ulcers (poss caused by the steroid) and some blood - he then started scratching his mouth bless him. He was a nightmare to get bloods out of, so we missed today's courier, so we might not get them back till weekend.
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Poor Sam, I hope the a.bs sort out his mouth soon so at least he can eat properly. Sending lots of vibes for good blood results too.
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Oh dear poor boy hope everything is ok with the blood results.
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poor Sam, hope they can sort him out x
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Thanks - luckily he is eating well despite his mouth, and I just have to work out what to do next week, as he should be seeing the rescue's vet, but I dont want him to have any more steroid jabs. He does need a dental though, but is going to have to have bloods first, and if they are going to be skewed cos of the steroids, then it is double cost and stress for him if done too early.
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his thryoid is high, but until his other organs are checked, the vet doesn't want to do anything more. Leaves me with a bit of an issue really, as the steroid jab is causing issues with his organ results, and I dont want to put him through a dental till we know what his organs are like - yet he does need a dental. Also have to figure out a way of getting the dental done by my vet, as the rescues vet seem to prefer the long lasting ab and steroid route and it did nothign for Rolo either - Sams teeth i think are slightly worse.
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Sounds like his mouth is a bit of a priority - are decayed teeth causing the ulceration? Poor little Sam. Plucky little fellow too, eating when his mouth must be so painful.
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Hope you can get Sam's mouth sorted - my vet did the abs for a year with Dragan cos he didn't want to risk the op but his new vet dealt with the teeth and he was much better for the last three months.
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It is, but if he has kidney or liver issues, the GA could make them worse - and if we test him now, they could be high purely due to the steroids, which might prevent the vet doing a dental, and we would have to re-test in a month or so, which from the charities point of view isn't good. We aren't sure what is causing the ulceration - it could be the bad teeth, it could be the steroid jab, or it could be kidney issues. He is currently taking his Antirobe in his cat milk, he is dead chuffed to get 2 lots a day!! He had lots of chicken yesterday (only the poorly ones liked it, so they had a breast each!!), plus some food in gravy and some biscuits, so I am confident he is getting enough food.
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It is, but if he has kidney or liver issues, the GA could make them worse - and if we test him now, they could be high purely due to the steroids, which might prevent the vet doing a dental, and we would have to re-test in a month or so, which from the charities point of view isn't good. We aren't sure what is causing the ulceration - it could be the bad teeth, it could be the steroid jab, or it could be kidney issues. He is currently taking his Antirobe in his cat milk, he is dead chuffed to get 2 lots a day!! He had lots of chicken yesterday (only the poorly ones liked it, so they had a breast each!!), plus some food in gravy and some biscuits, so I am confident he is getting enough food.
that's how I'm getting Byron's antirobe (for her teeth) into her Desley! I open the capsules and sprinkle them into her milk on a morning, then she gets the other one in a little milk at teatime - she's loving it too because she's milk mad
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He would need a few weeks treatment for his thyroid before a dental so that should buy you enough time for the steroid to wear off?
Poor chap, shame he was jabbed before blood sample was taken! :doh:
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Vet doesn't want him on meds for his thyroid till we know what his liver and kidneys are like - I got the impression that while they were high, it wasn't overly high and obvious hyper-t. I also got the impression that the dental was priority, although now he has had a couple of days Antirobe, things seem much better, although not opened his mouth to look yet.
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I hope whichever vet was stupid enough to jab him before anything else was checked out is made to wait for a dentist next time he is in discomfort!
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Me too - luckily Sam's mouth is much less smelly after some decent ab's - the two jabs did nothing for Rolo too, if it had been me with him rather than Rach, he wouldn't have had either jab. Luckily he has been eating well, or we would have had a major problem.
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Im glad the antirobe are working, they always do when simon has them ;D do they upset his tummy? :scared:
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I hope the anti-robe are working well for Sam, Byron's teeth looked no different so Christmas Eve I rang and we got another weeks worth for her.
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Me too, as his mouth was awful on Mon. Not sure about his tummy, as he has never been solid - we did try and Drontal him, but his mouth was wayy too sore. I do have half a Milbemax, but not brave enough just yet, I think I will give him another day on the ab's first - not sure if he will take that in his cat milk!!
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Hope Sam is feeling better :hug:
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He is certainly fed up of being in isolation!! I let him come downstairs last night, and he ended up sleeping on the stairs, as he hates Norman and Jeannie (Jeannie slept on the front room floor while I was watching TV) - it is weird, he doesn't spit at Kizzy much, yet does with the blind/deaf cats. Kizzy is similar too.
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Sam's dental is booked for next Wed, at which point he will have the rest of his bloods done. I am just praying that his bloods are OK enough for him to have a dental, as the alternative isn't good, he can't eat a lot bless him.
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Best if luck with his bloods and dentals, hope it goes ok :hug:
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Fingers and toes crossed that all goes well next week :hug:
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oh, I hope things turn out ok for Sam bless him.
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I do hope all goes well for Sam next week, bless him. :hug:
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Good luck with his bloods
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Good luck with the bloods and fingers crossed all goes well next week for little Sam :hug:
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Good luck to Sam for Wednesday: hope it goes well for him :hug:
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Hope things go well for Sam :hug:
My cats did not like Ducha cos of him only having 3 legs so maybe it takes a while for cats to accept a new disabled cat?
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Thanks everyone - I need some eating vibes now, as his mouth is obviously very sore to eat, I am going to see if the vets will let me pick up some more Antirobe in the morning (annoyed with myself as I Was only there last night, but he wasn't as bad yesterday). he doesn't like a/d, but is drinking cat milk (which is good as he doesn't drink water), and I am going to get some chicken for him tomorrow.
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Poor boy, hope you can get something to tide him over and help him eat
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hope today is a better day :hug:
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Just as I was on the phone waiting for them to answer, he dived into the Whiskas Oh So that I put out, so as long as he continues to eat that, we shall be OK. I did leave some kitten biscuits down last night too, in case they are smaller and easier, someone has eaten them, but it could have been Kizzy. I know he did try, but his mouth must have been too sore.
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Glad he has eaten it's such a relief isn't it?
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Yep, even though he's not been as great today!! I bought him some sliced chicken (proper chicken, not the processed stuff), so am getting some of that in him, as well as cat milk, and the odd bit of cat food - it looks like he has eaten some more of the kitten biscuits overnight too.
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That's great news ;D
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Have you got round biscuits, they are often easier to eat
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We have JWB, Hills and Burns (the kitten ones are round, and i am not too bothered by him having kitten biscuits with being underweight), he seems to have eaten some of the kitten ones. He loves the Whiskas Oh So though, and have got a decent amount into him today, got about another 8 pouches or so left, so should get him through his dental, and still 3 trays of Sheba terrine for him, and cat milk and chicken.
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Well, it is Sam's dental tomorrow, just about to go and remove his food for the night. Am very nervous about tomorrow, as he will be having his liver and kidneys checked first, we already know his thryoid is a tad high, and so is his heartrate, I am just praying his organs are OK for the anaesthetic, as if it isn't, I will have to let him go. It would be a shame, as he is such a loving little boy, and loves to sit with you, but he can't live with a bad mouth. If he does get through the dental, then we have to decide what to do about his long term future, i.e how we treat his thyroid, and also about rehoming him. He is getting better with other cats, although ironically he hates Jeannie more than most of the cats in the house!!
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Sending lots of positive vibes for Sam for tomorrow and hope everything goes okay for him and you too,it would be heartbreaking to have to let him go now. :hug: :hug:
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It certainly would, cos other than his mouth, he is wonderful, loves to sit with you, full of life.
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Is there nothing they can do for his mouth if he cant have the dental ?
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The only thing I can think of is long term antibiotics, but ultimately I think he might suffer if I go down that route - when we checked his mouth two weeks after the Convenia and steroid jab, he had ulcers, it stunk and parts were bleeding - he then proceeded to scratch his mouth to relieve the pain - Fortunately the Antirobe worked, but I would be worried about a - how long it would take before it became resistant, and b - how long it would take for him to stop taking them, I Can't pill him cos his mouth is too sore, so it is hidden in cat milk.
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awwww :( just found this post
Good luck to you both tommorrow
sending loads of possitive vibes :care:
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Best of luck for today Des and Sam
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Sending positive vibes for Sam. :hug:
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Hope all went well?
Strange he hasnt had treatment to help his heartrate before surgery to make it less risky
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Thanks everyone - had a very fraught day!! Vet rang at 11, they had had a nightmare getting bloods out of him, and his ALT was double what it should be, so the vet asked if I Was willing to take the risk with the dental. I agreed, as the alternative was letting him go, so she put some fluids into him to be on the safe side. he had to have 9 teeth out, so no teeth left at all now, and not willing to eat, so if no better by the time I get home tomorrow, he will have to go back to the vet. He is dribbling a bit of blood and looks very doped - they gave him an extra strong painkiller before leaving to be on the safe side, but it is vitally important he starts to eat, as obviously not eating can make the liver worse. He had put some weight on though, which surprised me as he feels thinner - still underweight though. He isn't allowed his cat milk till the morning.
MM - vet didn't want to give him anything without having liver/kidney tests in case there were issues there, or that it might mask what is really going on. I was fairly sure his kidneys were fine as he hardly drinks, but didn't know about his liver. Vet doesn't feel his thyroid is high enough to warrant medication but a retest of his liver in about a month is advised - that shoudl be fun, he has fought them both times for his blood so far!!
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Great to hear it's over now and hopefully he will start eating tomorrow and feel better for it soon
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Had to go to work this afternoon so was wondering how Sam had gone on at the vets,im so glad everything went okay and fingers crossed he will start to eat today when hes not feeling so groggy,sending some healing vibes and hugs :hug: :hug:
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Well, the sensitivity food had gone overnight, I gave him some Sheba and he tucked into the first half of the tray, although has ignored the second half. He is now drinking his cat milk laced with Antirobe, so he might eat a bit more after that. I am happier that he has eaten, i thought we were going to have to go back to the vets tonight!!
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That's encouraging. well done Sam
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What a relief ;D hopefully he will now go on to make a full recovery :hug: :hug:
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That's great news, I bet he's feeling a bit better now
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He is eating, although only small bits, but he has just had 9 teeth out - unlike Rolo, who had 11 out and wolfed two pouches while at the vets!! He had lovely snuggles on my knee yesterday and was upset when I had to move him. His eyes were still a bit dilated last night, although forgot to check that this morning. Just need to see what the vet says about rehoming him now.
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He had a checkup yesterday and his mouth was still quite red, and he was reluctant to have it checked, so he got half a dose of Metacam, and he has to go back on Wed. He has eaten really well since then, so obviously feeling much better - he didn't even want to wait for me to rip his chicken smaller, he tried to take it off me in a really big piece!! He will only eat Whiskas Oh So chicken flavour though, so had to go and buy a load of it yesterday.
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That sounds encouraging, Desley. I hope he'll start eating again now.
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Yeah, me too - he was a tad fussy this morning, but is much brighter in himself- I allowed him to go outside yesterday as he is climbing the walls in desperation and he came back - he wants to go back out today, but I have to go and pick up some stuff from a friend soon, so he is having to wait. He still doesn't like Jeannie though, she gets spat at even when she is fast asleep, bless her. Hopefully his ALT will go down at the next bloods, and we can then look at rehoming him.
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I'm so pleased he's eating again and seems happier, poor Jeannie though!
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Im glad hes feeling better this morning and eating is a good sign,do you think he could be stressing Jeannie with this hate thing,?
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I am glad , Sam is feeling better. :hug:
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Haven't checked how much of his tea he has eaten, but he has had all his cat milk again, so at least had his meds. TBH, i dont think JEannie is aware of it, as she is completely deaf, and was fast asleep earlier when he walked past and spat at her.
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His thyroid was either 54 or 56, so in the high end of normal - labs advice was to retest in a month. Obviously his liver will also need retesting in a month. So, he can't be rehomed for the next month till we get the results back and know if he is hyper-t, or if he has some kind of liver disease. Hopefully the teeth was just causing his ALT to be high, and hasn't suppressed his thyroid, but he will still be borderline hyper-t, so could be an issue rehoming him. He also has a heart murmur.
On the positive side, they dont want to see him back again till his bloods, and he is eating really well - he was only eating one food before his dental, I have tried him on some more normal food and he is eating, so now the test is what flavours, as up to now he has only eaten one flavour of food!!
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Glad to hear Sam is on the mend and hope the next set of bloods come back with a good result :)
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Me too, or we can't rehome him.