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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Desley (booktigger) on November 11, 2008, 22:26:09 PM
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Jeannie, my blind and deaf foster cat, is going for bloods tomorrow night, I was initially going to give her longer than a week to settle before doing this, but her back legs seem really weak, and I dont want to put her on any meds without checking the state of her organs first. I am hoping her poor fur and condition are just due to being found on the streets and only being in a safe environment for a month, but I just have a niggling feeling about her, lets hope I am wrong.
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Good luck at the vets, Jeannie. :hug: to you, Desley.
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Lots of luck today with Jeannie Desley xx
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I got my days wrong, she is actually going tomorrow - for some reason, I keep getting my days wrong this week!!
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Got everything crossed for Jeanie :Luv:
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Good luck and fingers crossed :hug: :hug:
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Fingers and toes crossed that Jeannie's results all come back fine tomorrow :hug:
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Good luck for tomorrow, thanks for the update :hug:
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Good luck for tommorrow :luck:
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Thanks, we will get the results tomorrow, although I dont know how positive my vet will be, as Jeannie does look very pitiful, bless her. I really wanted the chance to build her up for a few weeks first, but she is now weeing a lot, and I want to know what I can give her as she really does look arthritic on her back legs. I will post pics this weekend.
I am also taking Phoebe with me, she has had the odd bit of sick with fur in it, so thought she was starting with a furball, but now she is off her food as well. She is only young though, so I suspect it is something and nothing
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Hope the results are good news :hug:
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Hope all the bloods come back OK :hug:
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Well, still trying to sort out Jeannies ears, there is still loads of black gunk in them, which she hates me cleaning and put STronghold on her tonight, as it is a month since she was last treated (although that was just Frontline). Her fur is getting a bit of a sheen to it, although still a tad greasy, and she does seem a bit happier.
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What were the blood results?
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Can't believe I hadn't posted that - they were fine, just slightly raised Urea and ALKP, so vet says that is just due to the ear infection. She does seem much brighter, even if she wont sit on your knee, and is wandering round the kitchen more.
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glad she is picking up :)
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Lol Des, glad the results were good and she is perking up
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YEah, she is getting a bit of a shine to her fur now.
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awww great news Desley ... really pleased she is picking up! :)
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That's great news Desley :Luv:
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Brilliant ;D
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Aww Desley that is great news :hug:
Sorry to post here but cant find Norman treads :-[ How is he doing :Luv:
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We had a bad day yesterday, so I am seriously considering what quality of life she has - I have had two wash two lots of bedding in two days due to it being weed on, yet she does still use the tray, caught her sleeping in the litter tray at one point last night, then on the cold floor and she is back to sitting slumping staring at the floor. Her back legs were a bit weak too last night, bless her. Just need to speak to the rescue now.
Norman isn't doing too bad thanks Pav (not sure where his thread is either!!), still eating me out of house and home, and i gave him a new bed on Tues which is a bit of a covered one and he loves it.
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Desley, it must be so hard for you seeing her like this, poor little girl. It must be hard for her not being able to see anything or hear. :(
Sending you both :hug: :hug:
I do love Norman he is such a sweetheart. :Luv:
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It is heartbreaking to watch her. She has finally settled on one of the beds rather than the floor, but it has made her back legs a bit worse. I know my vet doesn't like using MEtacam for arthritis, but I think it might have to be done, to see if she can have some more enjoyment.
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We are going to try another course of ab's for Jeannies ears, and see how she goes on, but i have warned the rescue that while I want to give her a good Christmas, I dont know how much longer she will have after then, as she doesn't respond to anything like catnip or honeysuckle, and can't see and hear. Hopefully if we can get these ears sorted, she will seem happier in herself though, and is more than welcome to potter round.
I have also said similar to my rescue over Norman, I am going to get him weighed again in the next few weeks (he was only weighed a week and a few days ago), and if it turns out that despite eating 6 pouches a day he isn't putting much weight on he wont have long after Christmas either, as to me it is an indication that his liver issues are too serious. If you look on the last pic, you can see a 'ridge' part way down his back - that is actually the end of his rib cage, as he has hardly any flesh over his bones. He did look on the thin side when I took those (well, thinner than normal for him!!). I would guess he is probably half what he should weigh.
So i think these two need some serious vibes, as I dont want to lose another two close together.
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poor loves, hope the abs work. Sending lots and lots of vibes for them both and for you Desley :hug:
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Bless them... they're gorgeous. Our previous cat (Uncle M) was like your Norman- skin and bones for the last months of his life though he ate like a horse. How old are they?
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Every good wish for those kitties Desley, they are very lucky they have you :hug:
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Thanks - we are not sure how old either are, as sadly they were both found wandering on a road (not together), JEannie has seen two vets who both have just said 'very old' - I would say she acts older than my 18.5yo (currently trying to catch her tail!!), but could purely be due to her disability. The vet Norman was taken to estimated him at 12, but I would put him a bit older too.
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It's very difficult sometimes to guess an age when we adopted Schui who had been straying (he had a collar mark) they told us 12+ another vet said 15+ that was three and half years ago, we just don't know. Byron keeps very healthy for her age she's 24 now in some ways she looks kitten like as her tummy fur is very white and fluffy but she looks very old in other ways, her feet are quite bald and she squints all the time. Both sleep most of the time but Byron will have a little play every now and then.
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Have spoken to the rescue and they agree that it is quality not quantity with her, and I just can't work out if she has a good quality of life, or if I am just expecting too much. Just had a friend on the phone who has convinced me that my idea of taking her to get the vets decision on how she is is the way to go, and has kindly offered to come with me and pay. So i will be booking her in for either Mon or Tues and it is up to the vet, I will go along with her decision (although I suspect I know what it will be). The important thing, whether the decision is made this week or not, is that she has spent her last few weeks in a home environment, although I would naturally like it to be longer.
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Poor things. I hope the vet visit goes well and little Jeannie can at least enjoy a good Xmas
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I think seeing the vet if you are doubting their quality of life is the way to go and what we would do if they seemed in discomfort (there must be reasons you feel this way) it is obviously a two-way thing though as you are with them more. I do hope though that news will be good, best of luck.
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i do - my main concerns are her wetting the bed 3 times in a week, as she either goes and sleeps on the floor which makes her arthritis worse, or she continues to sleep on it (there are 3 beds for the 2 of them, but she sometimes ignores the third - mind you, Norman can't distinguish between her and the bed if she sleeps there, so she does get stood on a bit) - she does use the tray a lot though, so not because she cant get to it. She does wee a lot, despite bloods showing her Urea and Glucose to be fine, so unless they were wrong when done, she doesnt have CRF or diabetes, and I can't think of anything else that can cause increased urination - well, Normy's is liver related, but her liver was fine too. Me and the vet were convinced there was something not right with this cat a month ago, bloods showed nothing, but there is still soemthing not right. I'm not convinced we have got her ears right either, despite antibiotics and drops, so it could just be that, in which case the vet can sort it - very hard to tell with a black cat if they still have gunk in their ears, especially when they hate their ears being touched.
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Hi Desley, how is Jeannie, and if she is going to vets today? :hug:
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She had such a good day on Sun that I decided she has more life left in her. She has pottered a lot today, although got herself confused twice, so circling and yowling, bless her. She is going to the vet on Sat for her ears though
Normy has been pottering more today, much to Kizzy's annoyance. Wonder if there is something in the air??
Sam has been really sweet tonight, he is going to the vets on Mon to be scanned, as Rach forgot and for bloods, we shall see if he does have a thyroid prob, and if so whether it can be operated on or not.
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Glad to hear she has been doing better
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Aww that is great , hope she goes on doing well. Bless her :hug: :hug:
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Hope she continues to do well :)
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Sadly Jeannie didn't go to the vets on Sat, I should have known booking one so soon after my X Mas do wasn't a good idea!!
She is going this afternoon though, not sure how it is going to go, she was sick yesterday and Sat (well, I am fairly certain it was her and not Normy), although part of yesterdays could have been a fur ball. she also still has weak back legs, and wont take any of the three things I have in the house for arthritis. I am going to try and get a urine sample out of her, to see if there is any reason for her excessive weeing, but that depends how tolerant she is this afternoon!!
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Best of luck this afternoon
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all the best with Jeannie and the urine sample too.
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Thanks - she isn't having that good a day today, so not sure what tonight will hold.
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Well, the vet was very happy with her on Tues, but she has had a bad couple of days - I couldnt get all the cat bedding in the washer on Christmas Eve, so I left some of it in front of the washer, that has been weed on at least 2 times since then, and I was just doing the trays and she ignored hers, and weed on that pile yet again, so I think the vet is right about dementia, she thinks the blanket is a litter tray unfortunately. She has also been sick the past 2 days, and was sick on Mon, so not sure what to do with her now really. Her legs seem to be worse after two lots of Metacam as well. Vet said she might have months, but it really all depended on me being able to deal with her, the decision has to be about what is best for her though, not for me, but I have been watching my Nan go downhill with Alzheimers for nearly 2 years and I can't watch a cat do the same.
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Poor old girl, I hope she picks up - it is sad when they aren't too well and have dementia too. We think Schui has some dementia some days he uses the tray other days like this morning we were sat having breakfast and he stood in front of us, infront of the TV crouching to poo. He also pees on any papers on the floor, I had to send for new study book because he peed on that and sometimes on Byron's duvet infront of the radiator. He seems, thankfully quite well at the minute on himself and hasn't been snotty for a week which is a miracle.
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I have somehow managed to miss this thread before - no idea how.
Just to offer support. Our head vet is of the school that low doses of Metacam can be used for arthritis, provided the cat concerned is carefully monitored. We've got Blip back on it following good blood test results after her first long course July - November.
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Desley i do hope she picksup again
Its so hard to know whats best to do, i feel for you. :hug: :hug:
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She got herself stuck in the front room this morning, I popped her in the kitchen then had 5 mins of both her and Norman yowling in tandem at me - hope the neighbours weren't too bothered. She has been sick again, but it looks like it is the Whiskas she is bringing up, so I gave her some rabbit supermeat and she wont eat it - mind you, neither will Norman!! My sis met her yesterday and was upset - she can be sleeping and looking really peaceful, but as soon as you try and stroke her and wake her up, she gets so disorientated and it takes her ages to stop circling round. She didn't have any Metacam yesterday, as her legs looked a tad worse after two doses of it. Also, I find the cat Metacam is such a bigger dose, the dog one was much easier to get into them.
Had a bad day with Norman yesterday too, seems what little teeth he has left are bothering him, he was drooling a lot and unable to eat his normal food.
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I'm sorry to hear they're not having such a good day today.
Also, I find the cat Metacam is such a bigger dose, the dog one was much easier to get into them.
We're using the palatable liquid - the dose is small and Blip happily eats it in her food. Are you not using that one?
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i to have missed this thread for some reason, i feel for you :hug: it must be so distressing for you and jeannie
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Oh dear I am sorry to hear they are both not so good. Hope they pick up soon
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The neighbours must wonder whats going on in your house :evillaugh:
I'm sorry to hear they're not having such a good day today.
Also, I find the cat Metacam is such a bigger dose, the dog one was much easier to get into them.
We're using the palatable liquid - the dose is small and Blip happily eats it in her food. Are you not using that one?
Compared to the dog one (which was all that was available until recently) the newly licensed cat version is a much bigger volume as its a third of the strength, the dog one was literally a couple of drops! Saying that its not too hard to shoot a 3-4kg dose in without it comming back out.
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oh I'm so sorry Desley about these 2, I really wish they would be a little better - has the vet not suggested a steroid injection to try and boost them a little? we thought the worst for Schui late summer but the injection has boosted his health and appetite no end.
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Thanks C - I have got her eating it in some HiLife senior - the only problem is I am nearly out of it, and it was a special offer I got when I got Mabel, back in July!! I can't believe how much more they need in the cat version, and it is a lot more expensive, I half wish it hadn't been licenced, 2 drops was a lot easier to hide!! Vet was amazed that she wouldnt eat it in food though.
MM - one of the neighbours knows the reason why, not sure about the other, but as they play loud music at odd hours and wake me up, that is my little bit of revenge!!
Jane - there is no way I would agree to a steroid jab with Norman, he can manage 6 pouches a day already, he just seems to be having issues with chunks this weekend (I checked his chart, he only has about 5 teeth left, bless him). Since I remembered the last box of HiLife senior this morning, he has probably had 4 pouches (although they are only the 85g pouches). I dont like him eating too much senior food though, as although it is good on his liver (and the possible kidney issues), he needs the calories in adult food as he is still like a walking skeleton, 6 weeks on.
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Vibes needed again please - we had a bad weekend with Jeannie yowling for no reason, one of them was sick while I was at work today (and Norman was sick on Sat), and Jeannie has been at the water bowl a lot, which is concerning - she did only have a couple of days of Metacam, so have stopped that, but her back legs are very weak, so she isn't walking great, although fortunately enough to get to the tray.
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Sending loads of positive vibes Des. Hope everything will be ok :hug:
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Best wishes for Jeannie :hug:
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Sending lots of vibes for Jeannie and Norman and hugs for you :hug: :hug:
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:hug: all round
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Lots of vibes being sent your way :hug:
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Thanks everyone. I know it is only a matter of time with both of these, but still want to give them as long as possible.
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Another bad few days with JEannie, I Really do think I am going to have to make the decision soon, but she is still eating well and pottering about, which makes me reluctant - she isnt on MEtacam at the moment though, as she started to drink a lot more a few days after being on it, so I panicked - there wasn't much improvement though. Her legs really aren't great.
Norman is just demaning more and more food, which ordinarily would be a good thing, but he isn't pooing that much, I am lucky to get one poo a day, and he can eat 6 pouches a day. He is also showing signs of constipation (and wont always eat food with lactulose in it!!), which to say he only eats wet food and drinks a lot of water shouldnt happen, so I suspect his kidneys are getting worse. He has been here 2 months though, and the vet didnt' think he would be here for 3 months to have his bloods redone. Again, he is eating well, and can still get up and down the stairs when he wants, and tries to sit on the sofa with me most days, so I am reluctant to do it just yet, but not sure how much longer.
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Oh dear Des hope they both perk up a bit - could you try the once every few days?
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Hope they continue to have more good days and that you don't have to make any decisions yet :hug:
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I was only thinking of these two yesterday Desley, from what you say they do sound ok for now there is only so much you can do when like they are and you are doing your best for them xx
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Thanks guys, its times like this where I wished there was someone else who could just come and make the decision for me. I just dont know how much more time to give them.
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It must be so hard for you :( but im sure you will know when the time is here and make the right decision,sending hugs for you and vibes for Jeannie and Norman :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks guys, its times like this where I wished there was someone else who could just come and make the decision for me. I just dont know how much more time to give them.
It's so difficult but a think in most cases the appetite can be a good marker Desley, I always think like with us if we're really poorly and in pain we wouldn't want to eat and that for me is often the main sign. I am sure you'll sense when the time is right but I do know how difficult it is :hug:
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I'm sorry Desley, but eating is still a good sign I reckon as well. As for Mr 6 pouches a day (!) have you tried giving lactulose in a syringe? My vet says it's good for elimination of a few urea toxins as well, so in theory could help his kidneys.
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I hope that eating well is a good sign too, but I dont know what enjoyment JEannie gets other than eating, if I stroke her while she is sleeping, it disorientates her for a good 15 mins, and I then feel awful cos she circles and yowls. If I sit next to her and she wakes up, there is a similar reaction, and me at the side of her makes her confused, she has been known to walk the whole length of the kitchen cos I was between her and the tray. She doesn't respond to catnip or valerian, so can't even stimulate her that way.
I wouldnt even contemplate syringing Lactulose into Normy, he hates his mouth being touched. I will make more of an effort to put it in his food though, although there has been more poos in the tray the past couple of days since I gave him at least one lot of food in gravy a day. It is all in her tray though, but maybe they have been confusing me, and he just poos in her tray, so what i have thought was not a lot of poo is.
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She has been very yowly this weekend, about 5 times yesterday, and 3 times already today. Luckily it doesn't last for long and she does quieten down after a few minutes, so I have stopped racing downstairs to comfort her now, as more often than not she is quiet when I get there, although if I am downstairs of course I comfort her. Her legs weren't great last night, but i gave her some new food this morning, so didnt' want to risk Metacam in it - and good job, as her and Norman swapped bowls half way through, his liver values are bad enough without giving him Metacam. I can't use a heated bed on her because of her bed wetting issues. Might try crushing Seraquin into her food later, it shouldnt matter then if he finishes it off.
Norman had a really good day yesterday, I let Sam out for the first time, so the front door was slightly open, and he was determined he was going to check it out!! Despite him medically being the poorlier of the two, you wouldnt tell to look at them, he really does have such a zest for life. He might actually be here long enough to contemplate re-doing his bloods, although I dont fancy starving him for them!!
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Could Jeannie feel frightened (of Sam maybe) or a bit disorientated when she wakes up?
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As you cant use the heated bed could you perhaps use a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel for her,,i know the heat has worked for Eddie (my oldie ) and altho hes not brilliant it has eased him tremendously
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i think it is disorientation, as Sam rarely goes into the room with her. This is definitely her worst day for yowling.
I might try a hot water bottle, but dont think i have one in the house. She does sleep in front of the radiator though.
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We had a very old deaf and partially blind cat for a short while who was just the same in the middle of the night, we guessed it was either he was a bit disorientated and wary when he woke up with our other cat/would possibly feel safer in our room with us or a bit of senility.
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I got up this morning to find her sleeping at the side of her bed, bless her!! She hadn't wet it though, so no idea why she had slept on the floor at the side. She isn't keen on her new food, so I can't get Metacam into her that way. She is quiet at night, it is just during the day, so she mustn't wake up as much at night. She is purring a lot louder this morning, I get paranoid about little things like that.
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I forget now - is she deaf? deaf cats can be noisy, the cat I talk of was deaf as is Schui who isn't vocal unless he's out to scare the ferals off but then he makeis a really loud, weird yowling noise he just can't hear himself I suppose. Maybe she slept outside her bed because she was warm, it seemed very mild here last night
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She is completely blind and completely deaf, hence me constantly wondering about her quality of life. She was yowling a lot again yesterday, but then did allow me to pick her up and sit on my knee (she normally hates being picked up and wont settle on my knee) - until she nearly fell off, bless her. I had her on my knee and Norman at the side of me, so wasn't quite quick enough to stop stroking him to grab her bum!!
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Another bad day for yowling, and her legs were quite bad, so I syringed some MEtacam into her, as I picked up some new food from the rescue on Sat and she can't decide if she likes it or not, so can't put it in her food - she went mad at me syringing her though, there is no way I could put her through that every day, so it is looking like limited time, as I dont want to end up with her suffering or come home/wake up to find her unable to walk. She is allowing me to pick her up and put her on my knee though, and didn't even complain at Norman joining in, so she can have some enjoyment.
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Norman had his monthly weigh in today, but he has lost the 200g that he put on last month, so he is booked in to see the vet next week, but i do think it will be his final visit, I have always said that when he starts losing weight, that will be it. He has had 2 months here, and the vet didn't think he had 3 months left, so i knew we were coming close. IT is a shame though, as he is so perky, he keeps trying to get out of the front door, and happily sits with you, but his eating has been worrying me, and he missed the tray earlier, and when I cleaned it up, it didn't even look like wee, there is practically no colour to it at all. I do think his kidneys are getting a bit worse, as if i dont give him some food in gravy every day, he has constipation, which with the amount of wet food he eats and the fact he drinks a lot of water, shouldn't happen.
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Norman has weed in places round the house yesterday - in really odd rooms, and I did find a wet patch i couldnt work out on Thurs night, but that was obviously him too - no idea why he is walking upstairs and weeing on the floor when there are two litter trays in the kitchen, both of which I see him use, but I did have to encourage him to come down twice yesterday, he sat halfway down staring at me, but like he couldnt work out how to carry on walking down the stairs.
Jeannie's yowling is definitely getting worse, and she is getting worse at taking MEtacam, so who knows how long she is going to have.
They are both being really picky with their food today, there is 3 different lots of wet food down, and I had to put some dry down for Jeannie as she had barely eaten anything, and she didn't like her tea last night either. Even Norman hasn't scoffed it all down, and yowled at me last time I walked in the kitchen, even though there is all that choice there!! They are going to have fish for their tea.
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Sounds like a very stressful time, Desley. One runs out of ideas, I should think... :hug: I do hope they'll eat their fish this evening.
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It certainly is - the only thing I can do is give Norman a good time for his last few days, and see how Jeannie gets on, and hope that I Can find something she will eat, or I will have another decision to make.
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Hopefully they will both enjoy their fish.
Is it possible that Norman has a urinary infection?
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Hope they enjoyed their fish and manage to settle down a little
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I hope so too. I dont think it is a UTI with Norman, his urine is practically water, which with his constipation, makes me think his kidneys are going - we already know he has severe liver issues, and 2 months is impressive with how bad his blood results were in November - my vet was surprised he was still alive back then. He also acts starving constantly and will stop eating his breakfast to see what Jeannie has, regardless of whether they are on the same food.
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If he wasn't making the effort to go upstairs you'd think maybe he was just getting caught short. Who knows why these things suddenly happen.
Dinah's favourite poo place is the bathroom floor now, even though she has two trays with nice soft litter (which she wees in). All I can think is that she associates the tray with painful poos from when the colitis was bad.
He sounds like a great cat though.
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I have no idea why he has weed upstairs twice - the last time last night was in teh front room - and he did wee in his litter tray after that. he doesn't wee on the carpet intentionally though, yesterday was my nightie and a carrier bag (which inevitably meant it went on the carpet), and I think there was a foodbox at the side of the wet spot on Thurs, that I had put there to take downstairs - it puzzled me, as there was no colour or smell on Thurs, I couldnt work out what had happened. I dont think he knows there is a litter tray in teh front room, although Jeannie has found it, and she is fully blind, Norman is only partially blind!! I am going to give him some supervised access outside this afternoon as long as it stays dry, he has shown more interest in hte outdoors this past week. Norman seems to prefer to poo in Jeannie's tray than his own - might be worth putting a tray in the bathroom for Dinah
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Norman walked upstairs to poo on the bathroom carpet last night - no idea why, as all 3 of the downstairs litter trays were clean (although I dont think he knows about the one in the front room) - and then when I picked it up, he proceeded to yowl at me thinking I had something he could have in my hand, so i showed him what it was!! I can't believe how quickly this week is going, it is going to be his last night here tonight.
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Schui pees all over and it is getting worse, it used to be just poo. He peed in Byron's bed the other day so I washed the bedding then he left poo in it, I cannot leave my study books around or he pees on them (no smell either oddly) I have had to order new and the last lot he just caught the very bottom thankfully. I have had this happen with other older cats (never young ones) so I presume it is down to that. I bought some Feliway at the weekend do you think this may help?
Desley what do you mean by his last night ? :scared::(
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You beat me to it, i was also wondering what was meant by that as well "his last night here"
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Desley just emailed me asking me to post this as she won't have chance to get on the site until later:
"I have always said that as soon as Norman starts losing weight despite eating well, that it would be his time, and his weigh in last week showed a loss of 200g for the month, which takes him pretty much back to what he was when he came (he is so severely underweight so can’t afford to lose weight), despite the fact that he is demanding more food than ever before – his food demanding in recent weeks had been worrying me, as he will spit his food out to yowl for more even if you do something simple like get the milk out of the fridge for a brew, and last night yowled at me after I picked up his poo thinking that what I had might be food – it is like he is constantly hungry, and doesn’t’ matter if there is food down that he is happy to eat - there is generally 3 different lots between the two of them, plus dry for Jeannie. Bloods done in November show that his thyroid is at the very low end of the scale, so I know it isn’t a thyroid problem causing it, and I have never come across a cat with liver issues that has been that hungry, so I do suspect something else is going on. The toileting round the house to me is just another indication that he isn’t feeling great, I am surprised he has managed 2 months with how bad his blood tests were. This has been a very hard decision, but I hope that I have timed it right so he is going to go while he still has some dignity left and if I left him a month to see if it was a one off and he continued to lose weight, I would feel awful as I may have made him suffer."
Desley is an extremely competent fosterer, and would never let an animal go if she felt the cat in question had a decent quality of life. I have been getting regular updates via email about all of her fosterers and know how much time and how much she's struggled to make this decision.
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:'( Thanks for posting that JS :hug:
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Thanks for posting JS :'(
Thinking of you Desley hun, I know you don't take this decision lightly for any of the animals in your care :hug: :hug:
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(((((((((((Desley)))))))) and ((((((((Norman))))))
I know you were dreading making the decision
love
Tab
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It could be pancreatitis, Dragan was like that before he was diagnosed and his poos were big and very beige in colour. Hope you can get to the bottom of it Des :hug:
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:hug: Sorry to hear you've had to make such a difficult decision.
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Thinking of you Des :hug:
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It could be pancreatitis, Dragan was like that before he was diagnosed and his poos were big and very beige in colour. Hope you can get to the bottom of it Des :hug:
There is nothing to get to the bottom of, his poos aren't pale, but he is terminally ill, and I knew that he only had months to live, and he has been here since the middle of November. He had plenty of cuddles last night, and i have just given him 3 lots of wet food - Jeannie is only picking at her food again today, so I suspect he will eat the majority of it. I hope I can get her to start eating again, and that it isn't because she is fed up with life. Might try some more MEtacam tonight, but she screams when you syringe it into her, and she isn't eating enough to get it into her through food.
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Thinking of you all today, Desley :hug:
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:hug: :hug: Delsey, hoping you're OK today.
Sending best wishes to Normmie and all the others.
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Thinking of you and Norman today, i know your a believer of quality over quantity and wont let him suffer 'just incase' :hug: :hug:
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Thinking of you and Norman today, i know your a believer of quality over quantity and wont let him suffer 'just incase' :hug: :hug:
Couldn't have put it better myself :shy:
Thinking of you Desley :hug:
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Well, Norman went very peacefully, and before the injection had even finished. My vet would put him anywhere up to 20 looking at his face, and his mouth was very red, which could explain why he had started leaving some food, so I do think i made the decision at the right time for him, as we couldnt have given him a dental, and Antirobe could have made his liver worse. RIP little one.
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Im so sorry to hear about Norman :( but you made the right decision, sending you lots of hugs :hug: :hug: r.i.p. little one, safe at the bridge :hug:
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Glad that Norman went peacefully, RIP. :hug:
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RIP sweet Norman. :( :'(
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Thanks guys - there are more comments on his Bridge thread.
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RIP Norman, sounds like you did the right thing for him Desley :hug:
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Yeah, I did, just wish the decision didn't keep getting harder, I would have loved not to have had to do that tonight, but i knew it had to be done for him.
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Sorry Des :hug: RIP Norman :RIP:
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:'( :hug:
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Thanks - back onto being worried about Jeannie now, it is the first time in a couple of months she has been in a room by herself, so can actually monitor what she is doing - she had been a bit sick overnight (typical as I changed her bedding last night!!), and had 3 decent size wee's, despite the fact she hadn't eaten that much wet yesterday (although her teatime pouch had finally been eaten by this morning, it hadn't when I went to bed), and the water bowl didn't look to have been touched that much. She hasn't yowled as much though, which is good, it is the quietest day we have had in nearly a week.
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Jeannies yowling is getting worse - I popped into my neighbours last night, his TV was off and I could hear him, fortunatley my neighbour couldnt, but just shows how loud he is. Part of it seems to be after he has used the tray, but yet the tray doesn't move, so I do wonder if he is getting disorientated, and how much is fair on him. Gave him some different food tonight, so he has't eaten mcuh - why is it you get somethign donated, the cat likes it, you buy a full box, they dont???
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why is it you get somethign donated, the cat likes it, you buy a full box, they dont???
Well, if I were superstitious, I'd say that love tastes better than money.
But I'm not, so I won't. Dunno, Desley :hug:
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WEll, in that case he should be eating it, cos I was kind enough to think 'oh, he liked that when we had some donated, I shall treat him to a full box'!! At least he ate the food I treated him to last week, so one out of 2 ain't bad.
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Part of it seems to be after he has used the tray, but yet the tray doesn't move, so I do wonder if he is getting disorientated, and how much is fair on him.
Old Mog does the same; she "lets me know" she's used the loo after everything.
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We have had a really bad weekend, I am going to ask the rescue to make an appointment for Sat, which gives me a bit of time to see if it is just a one off, and whether i am 100% sure the time is right for his final visit, I can't put my hand on my heart and say this is a happy cat, and I Can't think of anything i can do to make him happier, so I think it will be his time. His back legs still aren't great either, and nothing i try helps those either, whehter he is in pain or they are just weak, I dont know. he has had just over 3 months here, which is more than i thought, and am sure more than the rescue thought.
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oh dear Ihope he perks up this week :hug:
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Fingers crossed for him :hug:
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I have spoken to the rescue, they are going to make me an app for Sat, but if he gets worse they will come and pick him up for me. his back legs really weren't good last night. The rescue were very nice though, they didn't expect him to come back from his first vet visit, and then when he had his bed wetting accidents we thought it was the start of the end, so to have just over 3 months is more than any of us expected, and it is better for him to go now, even if it is a week or so too early, than wait for his arthritis/yowling to get worse. I was on the phone to them for 20 mins, and he had at least 4 yowling episodes in that time - he does seem worse if I am in the kitchen, I wonder if the light being on disturbs him?
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You don't think it could be other cats that worry him/you not being there and that when you aren't in the room he is worse?......just a thought as you said he was like it the other night when you were at your neighbours and I had a cat who yowled but was fine when he had lots of people company and was not with other cats. It must be awful having to hear him and not knowing why.
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He is in a room of his own Jane, and he actually yowls more when I am in his room (which is the kitchen). I can't work out why he is yowling, when I cooked my tea on sun, he was really unsettled, i tried taking him to the tray, fussing him, putting him back on his bed, nothing worked - although thinking about it, he was a bit quieter when I left the room, and his yowling last night was also when i was in the kitchen, and again, fussing him didn't help. When i am upstairs, he does yowl from time to time, but not as much as this weekend.
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How is Jeannie Desley?
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STill yowling lots, he weed all over the kitchen floor on Tues, woke me up at 3.30 am yowling that night, sick all over the kitchen floor yesterday!! The app has been made for Sat, unless I change my mind between now and then, or if the vet refuses on Sat cos he doesnt feel it is time, although he will then have to find something for his arthritis, as i haven't found anythign yet that helps it, and that isn't fair - it is such a shame though, as his fur is shiny and he eats well.
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That is what I was going to ask, does he eat well as usually that's what I go by (unless they have brain damage) usually if we feel ill we don't eat so that is a good sign. Sometimes I think old cats yowl if they have a bit of dementia or do you think it could be because of pain? poor boy - just wondering why you think he is suffering badly with his arthritis or is he struggling to walk?
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I think the yowling could be dementia. I suppose it's harder to gauge disorientation with Jeannie being blind and deaf. It's difficult because you can't know if it's pain that making him yowl.
I know you'll do what you think's best for Jeannie, Desley. :hug:
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Yes and I think deaf and blind cats are even more likely to do that Schui is all those things and will yowl outside although he doesn't in the house they seem to be more vocal in my experience maybe for expression.
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Well, it looks like I got the timing sort of right - Jeannie's legs are very weak tonight, he is struggling to walk - have given him a dose of Metacam, and waiting for the rescue to ring to see if they can pick him up tomorrow rather than make him wait till SAt (unfortunately I can't get out of work tomorrow, we have a major deadline and my colleague ended up in hospital last night) - I so wanted to do it before his legs got too bad though. Despite the fact he is struggling to walk, he is still eating, bless him, although I learnt last year that eating well isn't always a good indication, and not always a good reason to keep them going. ~He wasn't this vocal when he first came, so something is definitely changing, and he has always been blind and deaf, so it isn't that
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I am going to get the rescue to pick him up at lunchtime, he is marginally better, but I dont want to take the risk of coming home and finding him barely able to stand again. At least someone who knows him will be there with him, I just wish it could be me.
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Im so sorry to read this :( i know youve tried so hard with him and i know you are only doing whats best but its still so very sad, :hug:
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:'( oh Desley :hug:
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Im sorry :hug: :hug:
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Does that mean you're letting Jeannie go today? I'm so sorry, I know you've tried really hard with him and have always been a little concerned that his quality of life isn't what it should be. :hug: It's another of those times I think I couldn't do the job you do. Well done for giving him love; Jeannie sounds like he deserves and needs it. Gentle fuss to the old man.
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I am sorry to hear this but know that in sparing him suffering, you have Jeannie's interests first and last.
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Sorry to hear hes leaving you today :hug: :hug:
I agree that eating isnt always a ticket to continuing on, ^george^ ate well throughout his illness but i still had to let him go :'(
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I met the rescue at lunch, and was in tears handing him over, i dont like not being the one there at the end, and this evening has been really hard, he isn't here, but the emotions are different as I wasn't there at the end. I did get a text at 3 to say that the vet had agreed it was time, and they had stayed with him. The house is so quiet tonight, that is both loud disabled cats gone within a month of each other - I was convinced that jeannie would be the first to go though.
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:hug: I'm so sorry Desley. :hug:
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Thanks - certainly not an easy decision, but at least the vet agreed it was his time, it does make a big difference. House is just so quiet, I have had very noisy cats in the kitchen since Nov!!
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Its always a hard decision to make but you obviously made the right one ,hard tho it was :( and just think at least he had extra time because of you and now hes gone with dignity,no more pain and suffering,and altho you couldnt be there you have nothing to reproach yourself about,it was the right time to let go :hug: :hug:
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Thanks - I worked the dates out last night and he had 15 weeks here, so very nearly 4 months, and longer than even I expected.
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Sorry to hear Jeannie has gone. He had four months of the best care a cat could ask for. :hug:
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RIP Sweetheart. :( x
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Godbless that much loved boy :hug:
RIP Jeannie xx
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Thanks everyone
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RIP Jeannie xxx
Des you truley are worth a million dollars....Thanks for being you! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Aww, thanks, that is really sweet.
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I'm so sorry Desley, sending you a big :hug: