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Title: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 21, 2008, 12:22:28 PM

Sorry this is going to be quite a long post but please bare with me, I'm a bit emotional.

Well one of my cats Layla has always been a sickly cat. She had an incredibly bad start in life which is what I have always put down to a lot of her problems. She was born into a house of drug users then taken away from mum at 3 weeks and passed to another couple of druggies who proceeded to use her as a football and continually blow canibis smoke in her face. She was then advertised as 'healthy kitten £100' and when the new owner went to collect her, she found her 2 months old, tiny and dying of cat flu. The lady paid the money just to get her out of there... nursed her back to health but then had a difficult home sitaition and had to give her up (again)... this is where I came in. I took her on once I heard about this and absolutely adore her but she has been far from easy to look after! My partner and I were her 4th home at just 5 months old!

We've had her for a year and a half now and we love her so much but I am becoming increasingly worried about her. She has quite a few separate conditions that have been fully investigated and treated but I am starting to join the dots and it's painting a very worrying picture. When we took her on, I quickly realised that she is not quite the full ticket and although she is the most loving cat ever known, the vet and I both agree that she is likely to be slightly brain damaged. She also had never been litter trained and this took 8-9 months to get sorted. There was no pattern to it... she would just go wherever she happened to be at the time. Very frustrating but I coped and helped her through it. There were a lot of tears and frustration but we got there (or so I thought).

She also developed struvite bladder crystals when she was about 11 months old which although I manage, is very rare for a cat so young. She has a prescription diet and will have a painful flare up anytime someone gives ehr something else to eat. This seems to ahve stopped since she now has a collar which asks people not to feed her.

She also has chronic cat flu flare ups due to feline herpes virus at times of even the tinyest amount of stress. (from when she has the flu when she was tiny) The most recent flare up lasted for 7 weeks of sneezing/runny nose and we are on week 11 of yukky eyes but I think they are nearly clear after lots of treatment.

Currently her fur looks awful and as much as I groom her, she looks really out of condition. I put this down to the fact she has been poorly with her cold but is atrating to worry me as her coat's not bouncing back as it usually does.

She has always had reddened gums and even has a broken tooth. Neither are causing her any problems at the moment and have been discussed with the vet on neumerous occasions. Again, this is unusual in a cat so young.

The final thing that's driving me mad at the moment is that she has suddenly forgotten all her litter training and is pooing everywhere. She has very loose stools (always has) so it's a nightmare to clear up. We are going back to basics (2 weeks in crate with just minimal as this is what worked last time). It may seem like a small thing to clear it up to some people but trust me when I say it is a huge drain and we both worry about getting up in the morning or home from work cause we know wheat we will be faced with. I am going to buy some feliway again this week- it dodn't seem to help with the toiletting last time but am going to give it another shot.

The vet mentioned testing for FIV when we first had her but then decided against it because she seemed happy and he would recommend putting her to sleep if the result was negative so I never tested. We have had a lot of other bloods done at regular intervals and not much has shown up and anything that has has been sorted at the time.

Dispite all this, she genuinely seems like a happy, chirpy cat. She keeps herself to herself and ignores the boys and spends most of her time asleep on the chair or asleep on one of our laps. Up until now, I have just managed all the separate issues and although I am constantly skint from taking her back and forth to the vets I love her so much it's just been something I ahve managed and accepted althogh I think most people peobably wouldn't have. Since her fur has started looking so manky though and this last respitory infection has been reluctant to shift I have started to wonder if there is something more sinister as the main cause of all the issues. I was talking to my OH last night and saying although she seems happy, I am so worried she may be suffering as cats are very good at hiding things and I am now wondering if I should have her tested for FIV/FelV but worry about what the outcome would mean. Because while I couldn't bare to think of her as suffering, I also can't bare to be without her even though life would be a lot easier.

All I know is that I am incredibly worried but then wonder if maybe this is just how she is and should continue as we have. I really just don't know as she seems fine in herself.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 21, 2008, 12:26:58 PM

I would probably do full bloods, not just FIV/FeLV just to see what is going on and maybe some herbal type remedies to help boost her immune system. it may be more related to the cat flu though, and the teeth could be calici related.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: MrsR on September 21, 2008, 13:01:02 PM

Sweetie well done you for all you have done to date, I take my hat off to you I really do but I think you have to go with head over heart on this one and do the bloods to see if she is suffering in anyway.     :hug:   Sorry if I have put that bluntly but not sure how else to put it.   Its amazing what you have done so far x

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 21, 2008, 13:05:51 PM

I am going to do them. OH and I had an emotional conversation and we both agree we will- Not an easy decision though but her wellbeing is the most important thing.
Thanks for the support though, it means a lot. It's nice having people to talk to who know how hard it is as a lot of my friends just see animals as a pet rather than a family member.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: beanie260904 on September 21, 2008, 14:29:08 PM

I do not know what to suggest for Layla but I just wanted to say she is very lucky having a mum who cares about her so much and is willing to go through all this to take care of her so well done, she is a very lucky cat and I hope she gets better  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: MrsR on September 21, 2008, 14:41:54 PM

I think no matter what its going to be hard, hopefully she will be ok but even with her being ok going through this will be tough for you.  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 21, 2008, 15:11:40 PM

I would do as you are doing and have all the tests.  Then you know exactly what you are dealing with.  Your vet is your best counsellor at this time, but we are all here to help and support you.  Keep us posted on events.

 :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 21, 2008, 15:27:05 PM

I agree with Des about the cat flu and red gums being related-  its quite common to have combined herpes and calici infections, with calilci more associated with red sore gums. But I wonder also if the smoke blown into her face has caused some lung damage, which may be why the cat flu flare ups are so prolonged.

She had such a bad start to her life, but sounds like she's come on in leaps and bounds with the care you've given her. I hope the tests come back negative  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2008, 16:57:11 PM

I'm so sorry you are having such a big worry with poor wee Layla and you sound awfully tired. I would possibly do whatever blood tests you are comfortable with doing and where you feel that the result may lead to you being able to treat her or change the way she's currently being treated. It's hard to know the extent of the problem without full bloods though as you know. Cat flu is a real b**ger as it just does keep reoccurring and this is a tricky time of year, with the weather changing all the time. She sounds like she needs an immune booster & maybe antibiotics (?) for the gum infection. I don't know if vitamin B jabs might help a bit? Just want to wish you all the very best and say how moved I am by how much love you've given the little one and send you all the very best and big hugs to you both  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 21, 2008, 18:37:43 PM

There is a blood test for calici virus, I would ask for that as well - even if she is FIV+, it doesn't mean she has to be pts, it just means she will need a careful eye on her with her existing probs.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 21, 2008, 19:28:03 PM

Poor little Layla what a terrible start she had to her life.  I, too, would have the bloods done as you are doing and hopefully it wont be any of the bad ones.  Fingers crossed and well done to you for giving her such love and care

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 21, 2008, 19:50:18 PM

Thanks so much for all our support. It's actually making me feel a lot better about things... it is true what they say, it is definately good to talk!
I am going to call the vet tomorrow/ Tues depending on how early I can get away from work and have a proper chat then hopefully book her in for a full MOT later in the week. I get paid Thursday so can try and get it to corespond with that. Obviously the cost is not an issue because I will pay it however much but does anyone know roughly how much full blood work would be? Before when she's had bloods taken it's been for specific things so not sure how much full blood work would be (as far as I can remember anyway, we've had some many tests done that I forget what we've had and what we've not had.) It's cat tax and MOT time so having to budget very carefully this month!

Will definately get the vet to test for calici, I'm going to write a long list of things I'm concerned about and all her issues so the vet knows what to test for... have a feeling it will be a long list sadly.

Again thank you so much for your kind thoughs and words, and as far as giving her the care she needs, i'm pretty sure that you guys would do the same for one of your fur babies.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 21, 2008, 19:56:56 PM

Also, I don't suppose anyone has a test list for what they actually test for when you ahve full blood screening done. I have the extra tests that I want to ask for but wondered what the standard things to test for are.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 21, 2008, 23:56:29 PM

No advice I'm afraid, just a  :grouphug: Layla sounds like a special little girl and she is lucky to have you too  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 22, 2008, 08:11:32 AM

i pay for the most expensive and comprehensive test my vets lab does, I know it covers a lot, the usual kidney/liver/thryoid/wbc/rbc, cholesterol (Zi's is high), globulin, not sure what else to be honest. Good luck

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: sheryl on September 22, 2008, 11:39:52 AM

Thinking of you and Layla - big big   :hug:   :hug: xxx  I really hope that the test results are positive, Layla deserves good news after the awful start she had in life and you deserve it for all the love and devotion you have given to her. xxx

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 22, 2008, 20:32:27 PM

I called the vet today and spoke to the receptionist who I now know quite well and she was really nice. She said the best thing for me to do would be to take Layla in on Wed for a consultation and chat through all my worries then they can take bloods while I'm there. She couldn't give me a price or test list as the tests they do will need to be decided by the vet once I've seen him, dependent on Layla.
Obviously I have to just wait and see what the results say but I have been doing a lot of reading on Calici today and everything I've read ties up completely with Layla's symptoms. I know that it may just be coincidence so am being realistic but it has made me feel a bit better.
Thanks again for all your support and I shall keep you posted... I have a feeling weds night will feel like an eternity. How long do bloods usually take to come back? I remember it was quite quick previous times but I wasn't as worried in the past.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 22, 2008, 23:05:30 PM

all the best for Layla and you on wednesday. Round here blood tests usually come back within a day. If it's marked as very urgent by the vet, sometimes a bit faster. Hope it goes well and you get some peace of mind and treatment for your little one.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 23, 2008, 08:28:06 AM

i am glad that her symptoms tie in quite well with calici - I normally have bloods done on a Thurs eve, and they are sent off rather than done in house, I have had them back on a Sat, but sometimes it is Mon

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 24, 2008, 11:15:46 AM

Rght well, I am already feeling much better. Vet completely put my mind at rest and was really lovely. Because I'm well-know at the surgery and they knew that I was worried, I even got a cuppa in the waiting room :)
Talked through everything and vet feels it's unlikely that there's much a link between symptoms and that because of her poor start, she is just likely to be a bit of a sickly puss-cat. We took full bloods which they are doing this afternoon and I will get results at 4pm (luckily no waiting!) and then on Tuesday, she's going back to have swabs taken from her eyes (they need to get the strips in from partner practice) to see if the chronic conjunctivitis is caused by calici, herpes or chlamydia. If it's Herpes, they can put her on a months anti-virals, if it's chlamydia then a long dose of ABs and if it's calici then there's not much for that BUT at least I will know where I stand.

In terms of FIV/ FelV- vets opinion is that he's testing as a routine measure but he feels it's unlikely. His opinion is that if she is FIV+ then it's not actually that bigger deal as FIV+ cats seem to live long healthy lives nowadays and the chance of transmission is minimal so it wouldn't affect our lives very much. He believes that people are scared by the condition and put cats to sleep once they've been diagnosed unfairly. (Couldn't agree more!) He also thinks it's extremely unlikely that she will be FelV+ as he thinks she would have shown clinical symptoms by now. Either way, even if the results are pos, I know I will have a level-headed person treating her who will have ehr best interests at heart. He took full general bloods as well which he doesn't think will show much but again, if they do we will deal with them as and when.

He also assured me that by her behaviour, it is very unlikely that she's suffering and thinks she's very lucky to have such a lovely mummy who cares so much! :D
She obviously was a bit scared by the blood test but was so well behaved, I was very proud. She also gave the vet and nurse lots of coos (she doesn';t miow she sounds like a pigeon) and headbutts so they fell in love with her too. The vet also gave me some advice about encouraging her to move from dry to wet food as this will help her bladder (I ahve been trying to make the change for ages and feel like i;ve tried everythinG!) and he's going to give me some special food to warm up which is apparantly great for stubborn cats. On top of all this, I wasn't charged for a consulation, just tests even though I was in there for about half an hour talking everything through- that is what I call good service!

I will obviously keep you informed once I've heard about the results.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 24, 2008, 13:40:40 PM

That sounds like good service indeed and I'm glad the vet was able to reassure you on several counts.  Let us know what the tests reveal.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 24, 2008, 13:52:28 PM

Thats all sounding more positivie isnt it? Sounds like a great vet who has explained things really clearly and put it in perspective for you. Good luck with the results  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 24, 2008, 17:33:57 PM

Well I called as suggested and the receptionist said she didn't think the results were back yet but the vet would call me if they were and if not, then tomorrow. Well the vets are closed now so I guess I have to wait til tomorrow which is fair enough but I must admit I really just want to know. I am all twitchy as I am a real worrier and waiting is really horrid!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 25, 2008, 08:17:40 AM

i am glad you have a good vet who has put your mind at rest - fingers crossed for the bloods today.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 25, 2008, 21:07:36 PM

Saw the vet today and the bloods have come back. FelV and FIV negative (yay!!!) and other bloods showed nothng to worry about- all is well! We're going for the swabs on Tues so hopefully we'll ahve a good result there and it will either be herpes of chlamydia and then there is treatment. If it is Calici though, I will at least know what's what.

Thanks for all your support everyone :D

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 25, 2008, 21:25:44 PM

Great news  ;D  She might just be one of those special ones that needs extra TLC  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: sheryl on September 25, 2008, 22:44:40 PM

That is so good to hear  :Luv2:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 26, 2008, 08:11:30 AM

i am glad that there is nothign too serious to worry about, bet you are really relieved.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 30, 2008, 17:40:28 PM

well we've just got back from the vets and feeling a bit fed up again to be honest. Had a different vet to normal which threw me a bit, she was very nice but not the vet I'm used to talking to and whom I know will explain everything thoroughly and whom makes me really relaxed. We came home with tablets and eye drops to sort out the current issue (she's snotty and gunky-eyed again!) and will know more when the swabs come back in a week-10 days as she's being tested for calici, herpes and chlamydophila so the results will depend on the treatment. The cost was a lot more than I had expected- of course I will pay whatever is needed but I honestly wan't expecting as much as today and times are hard, money is tight... etc.
The other thing I was told was that she's got a slight heart murmour. Vet said I ought not to worry about it but they'll keep an eye on it. I asked a couple of questions but don't feel I am really any the wiser as to what the implications of this are, hence why I feel a bit :(
I know I should be pleased that things aren't as bad as I initially thought but the heart murmour now just adds to the list of problems she has to contend with.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 30, 2008, 17:50:07 PM

Sorry that you had to deal with someone else but hopefully they'll sort out the eye gunk problem inasmuch as those can be sorted - it's likely to be an eye ointment job off and on forever unless you are really lucky. They tend to get them worst when the weather changes or when they are stressed. The treatments work on the eyes pretty well, but getting them in the eyes can be quite a mission  ;)

As for the heart murmur, Swampy was diagnosed with a category 1 - 2 (of 5) in 2005 and had a scan for it, which the vet at the time thought should be done and my current vet wouldn't have done. The sedative to do the scan caused his liver to collapse, so there are risks with scanning. If the vet thinks it's so mild that it's barely noticeable, it shouldn't hopefully affect her life at all. What my current vet suggests is that each time a cat with a low grade murmur goes to the vet that they listen. Sorry it was so expensive too, know how that feels!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 30, 2008, 18:31:13 PM

And to top that off, she's just been straining in the litter tray and has cystitis again! :( Poor thing- it really is not a good day!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( Some support and advice needed please
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 30, 2008, 18:31:55 PM

Quote from: Debsymiller on September 30, 2008, 17:40:28 PM

The other thing I was told was that she's got a slight heart murmour. Vet said I ought not to worry about it but they'll keep an eye on it. I asked a couple of questions but don't feel I am really any the wiser as to what the implications of this are, hence why I feel a bit :(
I know I should be pleased that things aren't as bad as I initially thought but the heart murmour now just adds to the list of problems she has to contend with.

There are a number of people on here with experience of this - I can't remember offhand who they are, but there are several - and they'll be able to put your mind at rest on this score at least  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 30, 2008, 18:38:13 PM

I believe heart murmours are graded and the top end being the  the worse I think is the higher numbers........I am sure someone else will confirm this.

When Franta had his health check this year I was told he had a little murmour but common to birmns of his age and nothing to worry abouit. he is 15 yrs old. Its never been mentioned on other health checks.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: bunglycat on September 30, 2008, 18:45:41 PM

Smartie has an enlarged heart - only found this year when he had an op - he is on Fortecur ( spelling!) and he is doind fine -he is 11 and spends a fair bit of time in his heated bed - it was put on when he had the op for him to come back to - in February !! :rofl:  Its not been off since except when we had a couple of warm weeks - he is asleep in it now - with FiFi in the new heated one that came today - next to each other  :Luv2:
Hope she gets better - she does have a very good mummy !!!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 30, 2008, 22:55:27 PM

sorry again that you are having such a tough time, now the cystitis as well. You must be so tired too as well as worried  :hug:
yes, Gill is right -heart murmurs are graded 1 - 5 with 1 being the least significant and 5 the worst.
Hope things are better tomorrow for you both.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 01, 2008, 06:06:58 AM

Both my dog Pepsi (RIP) and my cat Dragan (RIP) had heart murmurs.  Neither of them were put to sleep because of them.  Just ask your vet to keep checking whenever you visit and make sure there is no over exertion.  You are having a bad time and I hope things perk up for you all today.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 01, 2008, 07:53:42 AM

Fingers crossed for good test results, but dont fret too much about the heart murmur - Ginger had one and it never caused him any probs, and when I took Zi for her boosters, I found out they had picked up on one when she had a dental earlier in the year, and they hadn't told me. Good luck with the Cystitis - have you tried Cystaid or Cystease?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Dawn F on October 01, 2008, 10:02:59 AM

our bluto had a heart murmur, he took a quarter of a pill beginning with a a day (can't remember the name sorry) although when we moved away from london and changed vets they said he didn't have it and took him off the pills  :Crazy:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on October 01, 2008, 11:37:51 AM

I would like to try cystaid or cystease but with all the vets bills I can't afford it this month as it seems to be about £50 wherever I look. I will get some next month but does anyone have any good suggestions that will help her with the cystitis. She's had an anti-imflamotory/painkiller at vets this morning and advice to stick with the prescription food and give her extra water via syringe to flush it through which is what I have done in the past and it's cleared up quickly. I can only imagine it's as she's been poked and prodded so much at the vets this last week and she's obviously not liked it and it is stress related cystitis. She's a tortie as well and they are definately prone to stress related illness!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 01, 2008, 15:05:17 PM

Quote from: Debsymiller on October 01, 2008, 11:37:51 AM

I would like to try cystaid or cystease but with all the vets bills I can't afford it this month as it seems to be about £50 wherever I look. I will get some next month but does anyone have any good suggestions that will help her with the cystitis. She's had an anti-imflamotory/painkiller at vets this morning and advice to stick with the prescription food and give her extra water via syringe

Vetuk does Cystease at around £36, better price than cystaid. http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=747

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 02, 2008, 08:15:53 AM

Might be worth asking your vet about Cystaid, my vets let you buy a month at a time, it cost me £8 a month when I had Tom.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: bisley boys mum on October 03, 2008, 14:07:36 PM

its so hard when you worry so much about a fur babe isnt it?

Have you tried metacam for the stress related cystitis? we use it on our cat TC who is a very stressy boy and started getting stress related cystitis 5 months ago after his brother had to be PTS. he has been on it ever since and it has helped him immensely. its about £20 and lasts about 3 months i would definitely recommend it, maybe you could ask your vet about it as you just squirt it onto food so its nice and easy to administer.

hope it helps - sending lots of love from me and TC  ;D

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Millys Mum on October 03, 2008, 14:22:13 PM

If you could find the cause of his stress it would be much better than long term metacam as its not great for cats insides after awhile.

Quote from: Debsymiller on October 01, 2008, 11:37:51 AM

I would like to try cystaid or cystease but with all the vets bills I can't afford it this month as it seems to be about £50 wherever I look. I will get some next month but does anyone have any good suggestions that will help her with the cystitis.

Cystaid and Zylkene can work for some cats, feliway and valerian extract also. Taz has all of these and i do think they do help him out abit. I use metacam as a last resort and gave up with all the antibiotics on offer as his samples never cultured anything :tired:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on October 03, 2008, 15:30:34 PM

OMG I have only just seen this thread - Poor Poor Layla - thank heaven this lady paid the money -  I would of paid too as many of us would.

The poor little lass. I so hope her cistitus clears up - she is a credit to you and deserves all the medication possible - it could of been a terrible life for her. But thankfully she was offered as a 'healthy' kitten  taken away, and nursed back to health.

I hope the druggies got / get what they deserve. Give Layla a giant hug from me here - would love to see a piccy. torties are just  :Luv: :Luv: I have a tortie tabby girl  called Thai :Luv:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 03, 2008, 16:19:56 PM

I would go down Cystaid/Cystease route rather than Metacam, as MM says, it isn't good long term, and Cystaid is basically just a glucosamine based product that helps the lining of the bladder. Tom did wonderfully on that and wet food only for his stress related cystitis, although obviously rehoming him cured it completely!! So looking into the reason is another good thing to do

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on October 03, 2008, 18:51:30 PM

Well the cystitis has cleared up thankfully but she's got a dodgy tum from the tablets she's on for her cold. (if it's not one thing it's another) She's generally a lot happier though that her snots have cleared up. We have feliway on the go all the time which I'm sure must be helping and the cystitis isn't actually a very common thing anymore luckily as she is on prescription food for struvite crystals which keeps everything at bay except for the last week when obviously she's been very stressed because she's had so many trips to the vet, blood taken, swabs taken etc. While it's all for her own good, I'm sure she doesn't really understand what's going on.
She's spent the day asleep on top of the rabbit run- she adores Daisy and Herbie and has been very chirpy :)
Ordered some cystease this morning which I'm sure will help with further attacks :)
We should get the results of the swabs back soemtime next week so will know what type of cat flu she has and then will hopefully be able to find a suitable course of treatment. In the meantime we're having lots of cuddles to keep her happy (she loves nothing more than cuddles!) and I'm giving her extra fluids via a syringe which I always do when she's poorly. Luckily she doesn't mind it- I think she actually quiet likes the attention!
Thanks for all the support :)
And for Gail Bengal Slave, my princess...

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( swabs done but more bad news :(
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 03, 2008, 19:05:25 PM

Glad she is seeming better

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( RESULTS IN
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on October 10, 2008, 22:14:59 PM

Well the vet called and left a message on my answer phone. Layla's results have come in- the cat flu strain she has is chlamydophila, negative for herpes and also calici. Previous vet thought she had herpes but never actually tested. This is actually pretty good news because it can be cleared with 30 days of antibiotics. I am going to call the vet on Monday to discuss treatment as it was closed by the time I got the message.

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Post by: sheryl on October 10, 2008, 22:26:35 PM

That is great news Deb, you must be feeling so relieved Hun  :hug:

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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 11, 2008, 05:30:33 AM

Brilliant news

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Post by: Rosella moggy on October 11, 2008, 10:44:58 AM

So pleased that Layla will get over this given a long course of anti biotics. You must be so relieved that there is light ahead  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( RESULTS IN
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on October 11, 2008, 12:56:59 PM

Yeah I am!!! It's nice it can be something we can all be free of. I need to talk to the vet about a couple of things though: Whether or not the whole house needs to be teated as the conjunctivitis spread to all three so they probably have it too. I don't want them to not be done and then give it back to her (vicious circle!) and also about what antibiotics she can ahve because the ones she had last time gave her the most horrendous diarrhoea which when she was losing the amount of fluids she was (sorry to be gross!) that's not going to be at all good for her bladder problems... plus also, she couldn't be left unsupervised in the house at all because she was doing it everywhere as it was so nasty. I ahve been researching and there are a couple of ways to treat it so hopefully my vet will be able to come up with a good course of action.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( RESULTS IN
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 11, 2008, 13:20:16 PM

Good news   ;D Hope the vet can work out a treatment plan that agrees with her  :)

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Post by: Millys Mum on October 11, 2008, 19:31:50 PM

Glad its something treatable  ;D
Longterm ABs do often affect the stomach  :sick: so a probiotic supplement may help her abit.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy :( RESULTS IN
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 12, 2008, 09:58:23 AM

Glad it is something treatable, fingers crossed

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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 12, 2008, 10:39:26 AM

me too. I'm so glad that it's not herpes but instead something you can get rid of. What a relief and good luck with the antibiotics. I'm sure there must be something you can give at the same time to help the tum - probiotics may work straight afterwards but may be killed by the antibiotic if given during that treatment (?). One thing we used to use was Diarsanyl (sp?).

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 11:10:02 AM

Sorry in advance that this is a bit long and rambley... don't expect too much from the spelling either as there will be lots of typos more than likely. I've been up most of the night, tossing and  worrying about what we are going to do with Layla so am rather tired!........

Well we have started the treatment and that's fine, at least where Layla is concerned, a months antibiotics twice daily for her are fine as she's so placid I can just pop them in, and even Rufus is still small enough that I can hold all his limbs while I do it BUT Oscar, bless him is not a happy boy! We have to do the full towel treatment and he wails cause he doesn't like being picked up at the best of times (very cuddly on laps but has never liked to be held for more than a few seconds!) and his are BIG tablets that I have to section as well so it takes a few goes to get his down him. Of course it will all be worth it in the end once they are all free of Chlamydophila. The vet and I decided it would be best to treat all 3 cats as Layla could have easily passed it on and then they may well pass it back to her. It seems more than likely as she gave them all conjunctivitis and that's the main symptom of chlamydophilla.

Anyways, that aside Layla is still a BIG problem. I really don't mean to sound heartless as I love her SO MUCH but my OH and I are literally at the end of our teathers. Please read back through the previous threads if you are new to this, the first post tells all her history.
Basically, her toiletting has got to the point where we are so fed up! We have trays everywhere, using the only litter she will attempt to use (sometimes) We even have trays in the dining room! (eeww!) I have Feliway on the go all the time and she's on a diet for sensitive stomachs. We have tried all kinds of litter training techniques that I have tried and tested with lots of rescues, but she is just completely inconsistant. The vet has said to me that he thinks her possible (well likely) brain damage has a lot to do with the fact she struggles with the concept and is inconsistant.

Take this morning for example, I woke up and came downstairs and there was a big sloppy poo in the tray, as many trays as we offer, she will only use one of them (???) but nether the less she had gone in the said tray and I was very pleased, almost jumoing up and down on the spot type pleased as it had been so long since she's used any tray... I gave her lots of 'well done' cuddles and a couple of temptations which she is obsessed with and got the nappy bags out to clean the tray quick. I had to pop to the loo quickly myself though so left the bags on the side. By the time I got back... she was pooing on the carpet next to the tray... AAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So as always, I made sure I was really calm although I was screaming inside and went to clean it all up. As she was walking away, she managed to get it on her foot so I had to put her in the garden to clean herself off as I really didn't want it all over the sofa and when I got back to the tray.... Rufus was trying to help by cleaning up the poo himself. He's a very clea cat and really doesn't like the fact Layla never covers up so was trying to bury it on her behalf! Bless him! The problem was, he also got the poo on his foot in the process! He was absolutely discusted by this and then sat next to me washing himself while I was washing the carpet again!

The thing is, apart from the fact that I just dread coming downstairs in the mornng/ home from work to find poo that I have to clear up. We live in a rented house. As it happens we have been told we can stay here for a few years and then will more than likely have a chance to buy it in a few years BUT if we have an inspection which is possible, we may end up without somewhere to live because she is completely wrecking the carpets. I have no idea what she's doing for wee either as I haven;t found any signs of her urinating round the house and I know from when she did it in our old flat, it was very obvious but that's a worry too.

My OH loves her to bits BUT he is completely exasperated and every single day at the moment, he tells me he doesn't know how much longer he will be able to put up with it. To be honest, although I keep saying 'think about how much we love her though' to him all the time, I too am feeling the stress and just don't know what the answer is.

We have been spending at least £200 a month in vets fees for the last few months (last month was £400) and it's got to the point where although it's not about the money, we are not hugely well of and are having to seriously go without every month as a consequence. As we inherited her with all her problems (althogh we knew little about them until she was firmly lodged in the household, we can';t claim a lot on the insurance either as most things are previous conditions.

What I really want to know is... What would you guys do if you were in this situation????????

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: sazkat2 on November 01, 2008, 12:12:46 PM

Im so sorry you are having so many problems it must be soooo hard for you all  :hug:  Just a thought you may have already tried this and some people may not agree but could you get a large mesh dog cage to put her and her tray in at night?  With the tray in the cage with her she may use it to keep the cage clean?  I know it doesnt solve the problem but at least you wouldnt have to wake up and start hunting for the mess!!  I hope thing get sorted for you soon  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 12:27:43 PM

This was something we actually did for quite some time. We got the cage/crate for litter training initially- did 2 weeks with just the basics and it did help a little but again it was a little inconsistant so then we adapted it to just using the crate at night. It did solve the problem of the carpets at night (although daytime can be problematic at times too!) but I found the whole concept quite difficult to get my head around as I would often feel guilty about putting her in there although she did not seem to have a problem with it at all, in fact she used to go and jump in there at bedtime of her own accord! The other thing that is difficult to manage is the time-factor as she makes such a mess in the crate it takes about half an hour or more to clean the crate everyday just to put her back in it. She has no quarms about pooing/weeing in her bed/ nr food bowls etc. I have been seriously thinking about going back to this but am not sure how fair it is to keep her in the crate over night?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: sazkat2 on November 01, 2008, 12:50:02 PM

It must be hard for you I must admit I would feel guilty too but if she doesn't mind been in there maybe try it for a week or so?  What type of bed does she have - at the rescue I volunteer at there is often cats that wet the bed but they have the plastic vet beds and then we just take out the piece of fleece and wash it.  Dont know if that would be any easier for you.  We also use some kind of pads to put in the bottom of crates and carriers that soak wee up really well Ill find out abit more about them what they are called etc maybe you could use them around the trays and in the crate then you could just throw them away when they are dirty.  Sorry if im not much help I can just see how hard it must all be for you!!

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 13:20:17 PM

No they are all good ideas! When she's in the crate she has a little furry igloo which she loves and doesn't tend to toilet in but if I just leave a blanket or anything else she will so will stick with the igloo as it's easy to clean the outside. Although if she does toilet in that again, I shall get a plastic one as that sounds like a good idea! I tend to put incontinence pads in her bed but putting them around the trays sounds like a great idea! I will go and get some at pets at home later (puppy training pads) but if you know anwhere I can buy thm cheaper then do share!
Thanks for the suggestions! :)

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: sazkat2 on November 01, 2008, 13:52:20 PM

Best price I have found is on the net but dont know how much postage is?!  http://www.feedem.co.uk/dog-2/puppy-dogs-15/bramton-simple-solutions-training-5615.htm?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=5615&utm_campaign=froogle  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 13:57:06 PM

Thanks :)

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 01, 2008, 16:23:24 PM

When I have elderly cats in who have issues, I use doggy pads, I get mine from a garden centre called The RAnge, they are the cheapest i have found so far, and sometmes Netto has them in.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Millys Mum on November 01, 2008, 19:46:07 PM

Would you be allowed to change the carpets to lino? Much easier to clean.  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Janeyk on November 01, 2008, 19:49:42 PM

Quote from: Desley (booktigger) on November 01, 2008, 16:23:24 PM

When I have elderly cats in who have issues, I use doggy pads, I get mine from a garden centre called The RAnge, they are the cheapest i have found so far, and sometmes Netto has them in.

what are doggy pads?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Millys Mum on November 01, 2008, 19:56:46 PM

Larger incontinance sheets, the kind you use to train a pup instead of newspaper

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 01, 2008, 20:03:09 PM

Teresa uses them for Minimopsical, I just put them under the tray as they are more absorbent than newspaper - I was going through loads with Rosie, as she missed the tray a lot, bless her, and with my old covered tray I needed them under Mol's as she likes to wee standing up, but not had to use any for a while. They are just a bit bigger than a litter tray.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 20:17:45 PM

Well I got some puppy training pads plus another tray today and I've decided that I'm going to cover the whole area around the trays with pads and newspaper. Doggy pads are the pads that can be used to help train puppies and are very good for going in the bottom of pet carrier.

Quote from: Millys Mum on November 01, 2008, 19:46:07 PM

Would you be allowed to change the carpets to lino?

The dining room carpet continues through to the living room so probably wouldn't be appropraite even if we were allowed (not sure we would be) BUT nether the less was a very good idea- thanks! :)

I also think that a bit of the problem may be that the boys are always around when she wants to go as I noticed that she got in the tray earlier and then Rufus went bounding up to her to play/ annoy her and she stared at him for a while and then jumped out of the tray and ran away. I shut him in the living room and then took her back to the tray gently but by then she didn't want to know. When it was happening I was torn between going to grab him and leaving it to see what would happen cause I expected if I went and got him, that would have put her off too. I managed to get another tray exactly the same as the one she likes today so at least that gives her another to use if she dirties the tray when I'm not at home/ overnight as she won't use a tray twice. We already have about 7 trays in the house in all different places so she's nto short of choice anyway but at least this one is vry similar to the other one she likes so may encourage her to use it.

I have been looking at a new product from Feliway which is called 'Felifriend' which is a spray which can be sprayed on new objects in the house to make cats accept them- I wonder if it would help if I sprayed it onto teh trays to make her feel more at ease with them. Has anyone tried it? I don't know if there are any products which attract cats to a tray? I know PAH sell stuff for puppies that you can spray on pads but I don't know if there's anything similar for cats?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 01, 2008, 20:20:29 PM

You can get a product called Cat Attract - I have mainly heard it on the US forum, and I did recently see it for sale in the UK, but I can't remember where, someone may have posted abut it on here though, so a search might help

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: bunglycat on November 01, 2008, 23:28:29 PM

I bought 3 bags of cat attract from the show at Doncaster -buy 2 get 1 free and it was £43 for really big bags - 10kg i think  (3) , could barely lift them out of the car , but as no one around , had no choice !
They are from R&L Pet Products ( type into google or any search engine) they also do home delivery and its supposed to guarantee your cat will use it.
I bought this as they don''t do the one i have been using anymore .

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 10:52:00 AM

Thanks- I will get some when I manage to find some more bits to sell on ebay- it's only days from payday and I am already skint due to all the vets bills.

To be honest with you all, I am crying m eyes out as I type, and have been ever since I got up. Things have got to a point where I have honestly don't know if I can cope, I know I will keep going but I am miserable and so is OH. It's awful that such a sweet and loving cat can do that to us but she is. This morning I woke up expecting poo on the pads with high hopes for teh carpet and no- empty, clean litter trays x3, pads all around and poo (3 big, sloppy piles) around on the outside on the carpet. If the litter had been used by one of the others I could explain it but there was really no explanation for this- it feels deliberate except I know it probably isn't with her because she doesn't have any malace in ehr at all- she literally goes wherever she is when she decides she needs to go. I am starting to worry that she doesn't have te control to use the tray :(

And then I go back to worrying about whether or not she's feeling so ill and this is why she behaves like this.... she has so many problems but my vets opinion is that they are all separate and as they are being managed, I don't know if she is  necessarily suffering although cats can hide things welll. The other thing I am starting to wonder is whether or not she would prefer to be an only cat with someone who was home a LOT and could support her when she needs to go. We initially got Oscar as a companion to her as she was crying everytime we went out when we first got her and her and kitten Oscar got on great but as soon as he grew and wanted to play fight she went right off him. Because she was getting so fed up with his attempts to play, we introduced Rufus who now fulfils Oscar's play requests and they adore each other and leave Layla alone most of the time but she still hisses at them if they go to give her a sniff or show any affection apart from at dinner time when they just ignore each other.

AAGGGHHHHHHHH! I am just so torn but know that something has got to change because I thnk the point has come when I can't cope and don't know if she can. Please can someone tell me what they would do in this situation...

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 02, 2008, 11:02:54 AM

one thing that stands out is the fact her poo isn't solid - i have found they are more likely to miss if they do sloppy poos - is she always sloppy or is it cos of the ab's?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 11:03:24 AM

I'm just wondering if I need to give her something else to help with her stress, we have feliway on the go all the time in the same rooms as the trays but I am thinging of going to boots and getting some rescue remedy- what's it like for cats? What's teh cat dosage and how often to give? How long ca it be given for?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 11:09:55 AM

I have had her poo tested and a variety of tests done at 3 different vets (I have always been looking for a dfinitive answer but even new vet who is fantastic hasnt found anything suspicious in samples/ bloods) as her poo has a tendency to be frequently on the runny side, not diorreah but nether the less, very loose.  :sick: It's been something I have always been very concerned about but apparantly she has what can be compared to the human condition IBS. Sometimes they are hard, more than often they are soft. It makes no difference though in terms of her toiletting habits- 90% of the time they are on the carpet. The ABs don't help her as she has a sensitive tum but it's not much worse than normal.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 02, 2008, 11:13:41 AM

I use REscue Remedy on Kizzy, I put 4 drops in her food, 2 times a day, and you can put it in their water and on their ears - up to 4 times a day for humans.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 11:16:32 AM

On the outside of the ears?

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Janeyk on November 02, 2008, 11:16:57 AM

I do feel for you in this situation and poor kitty too, we had a similar situation when our Squeaky got older and it is very frustrating.  He pooed anywhere but the tray or missed it when he did, have your vets tried probiotics for his tum?  I also know that the 2 cats we adopted later had sensitive tums and were very similar, the CP advised us to only feed Purina biscuits as they have high proportion of rice and they were much better on that.  I do hope you can sort something out x

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 11:20:54 AM

We did try some probiotic in syringe form some time ago but things got even more runny, I will chat to the vet about it though- thank you.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: sazkat2 on November 02, 2008, 11:38:58 AM

Im so sorry you are so upset today it must be so hard for you all.   :hug:  Just something you could ask your vet about - there is Hills ID cat food that is good for upset stomachs but it is a little pricey but may be worth ago.  It must be difficult for you if it is runny.  The lino was a good idea but if you cant put it down how about some sort of plastic sheeting that you could roll up when u like?  I hope you are feeling a little better as I know how upsetting it is for you  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 12:23:12 PM

Well, I have just had a horrible experience that's made me realise a few things- I think poor Layla may be quite incontinent to be honest. She's just sat in the middle of the lounge and all of a sudden has pooed. She had a bit of a shocked look on her face once to had happened but she genuinely didn't seem to expect it at all. I've cleaned her up and now she is just laying on the sofa next to me and she looks so sorry for herself. I can't help but think this has been happening more than I realised and I feel awful.
I've just been talking to my mum too and she thinks that she is suffering. She has so many health problems and has had so much vet treatment in her short life and she always looks so sad. for a two year old she should be playful and sprightly but in fact all she does is sleep. The only time she is hapy is if she is curled up with me or OH. She has had a continual cold since June and I can't even tell you how often she has had treatment for it only for it to come back a week later. She has frequent bouts of cystitis due to bladder disease which although are under control at present, I can never tell if she is still uncomfortable as she can't tell me. She sits and rocks if she isn't laying down probaly due to her possible brain damage. On top of all of this, if she isn't able to know when she needs to go to the toilet then I don't know what quality of life she has. I feel so guilty as I wonder if she has felt like enough is enough for a whil now and I just haven't faced it because I don't want to be without her.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED WITH LAYLA PLEASE!
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 02, 2008, 12:24:31 PM

Quote from: Debsymiller on November 01, 2008, 20:17:45 PM

I have been looking at a new product from Feliway which is called 'Felifriend' which is a spray which can be sprayed on new objects in the house to make cats accept them- I wonder if it would help if I sprayed it onto teh trays to make her feel more at ease with them. Has anyone tried it?

Felifriend is used to help cats feel more comfortable about people that are handling them rather than accepting objects around the house - which is where Feliway spray comes in. I use Felifriend on my hands for instance, when I'm meeting a new cat either for grooming or cat-sitting, its used by vets, rescue workers etc. Feliway spray is better used for objects around the house - but not near the trays, its main use is in preventing spraying therefore you spray the target areas - so you wouldnt want to spray the trays as it may mean she avoids (even more)

I agree with Des, that the real problem may be linked to the consistency of the poo and if she has a touch of BD she will feel a bit uncomfortable when she poos and therefore will avoid places (like trays) where she remembered feeling like that. Unfortunately the course of antibiotics can make the problem worse - bit of catch 22 really. Theres no point starting probiotics until the antibiotic course is finished as antibiotics kill of good and bad bacteria therefore the probiotic will have no effect, but when the course is finished LactoB is a good probiotic http://www.petmeds.co.uk/c-523-lacto.aspx?gclid=CIno4_W91pYCFQOx1AodBhhV3Q

Is Layla the one who won't eat anything but dry food? I think diet should be a real conisderation, if you can get her eating wet food without grains/cereals or even better a raw diet that would firm up her poos it may start things on the right road. Have a read of this, see if it is any help http://www.catnutrition.org/ibd.php

So sorry your'e having a tough time at the moment, :hug: I know how frustrating it can be - my Jasper who has CRF frequently goes right next to the tray, or by the front door, or on my bedroom carpet  :sick:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Lynds on November 02, 2008, 12:55:26 PM

I've just sat and read this thread and my heart goes out to you. You must be going through hell.

I don't have anything particularly useful to say but want you to know I'm thinking of you.


 :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Janeyk on November 02, 2008, 13:01:59 PM

Quote from: Debsymiller on November 02, 2008, 11:20:54 AM

We did try some probiotic in syringe form some time ago but things got even more runny, I will chat to the vet about it though- thank you.

they didn't work for our cat either but it was worth a mention as I believe it can for some.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 13:41:34 PM

I called our vets practice over an hour ago as she has had several bouts of incontinence since I last posted and although out of hours, I have a good relationship with my vet and he came by to look at her. (I see him for CP cats as well as my own 3) He explained that he thought she was definately suffering and confirmed what I had thought, the time has come. It is something we have discussed on the last few visits to the vets and so I knew it would come to this. He has arranged for us to have a couple of hours with her and then we are to take her to the surgery at 3pm today for her to pass on. Our lovely vet has assured me that it's the kindest thing for her and I don't want her to suffer anymore but I feel absolutely devastated and am dreading it. She is laying on the sofa with me now and looks so peaceful as she's asleep. I love her more than anything and I am going to miss her more that I can describe. I feel like my heart is breaking.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - MORE HELP NEEDED! Bad start2day- very emotional :(
Post by: hOrZa on November 02, 2008, 13:43:34 PM

:'(

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 02, 2008, 13:48:08 PM

I just want to thank everyone for all their support with my proncess over the last couple of months... all the ups and downs... All your supportive words and healing vibes have really helped us through what has been the most heart wrenching time. I can't ever remember feeling so sad and scared.   

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 02, 2008, 14:06:31 PM

So sorry Debs, I really feel for you  :hug: I'm glad that the vet can come out and that you can have this last quiet time with her, thinking of you  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: sazkat2 on November 02, 2008, 14:47:30 PM

Im so sorry Im thinking of you all  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: tab on November 02, 2008, 16:47:49 PM

Im so sorry
 :hug: :hug:
love
Tab

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 02, 2008, 17:08:29 PM

Really sorry to hear this  :hug:  RIP Layla xx

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 02, 2008, 18:51:44 PM

I'm just so very sorry. RIP with no more suffering little Layla.  :hug: xxx

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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 02, 2008, 18:55:57 PM

I'm so sorry that it has come to this  :hug:

RIP lovely Layla.

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: psychopunk on November 02, 2008, 18:56:58 PM

 :candle:  RIP Layla  :Luv:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Millys Mum on November 02, 2008, 19:15:58 PM

RIP Layla, your mummy loved you very much

IF IT SHOULD BE

If it should be that I grow weak
And pain should keep me from my sleep,
Then you must do what must be done,
For this last battle cannot be won.

You will be sad, I understand.
Don't let your grief then stay your hand.
For this day, more than all the rest,
Your love for me must stand the test.

We've had so many happy years.
What is to come can hold no fears.
You'd not want me to suffer so;
The time has come -- please let me go.

Take me where my need they'll tend,
And please stay with me till the end.
Hold me firm and speak to me,
Until my eyes no longer see.

I know in time that you will see
The kindness that you did for me.
Although my tail its last has waved,
From pain and suffering I've been saved.

Please do not grieve -- it must be you
Who had this painful thing to do.
We've been so close, we two, these years;
Don't let your heart hold back its tears.

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Post by: bonnielass on November 02, 2008, 20:02:24 PM

i only caught up with this  thread a couple of days ago and my heart goes out to you, it must have been heartbreaking to lose her after trying so hard, but at least she knew you loved her very much  :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 02, 2008, 21:03:25 PM

I have only just read your thread and I am so so sorry.  Your poor baby RIP Layla

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on November 02, 2008, 21:11:45 PM

So sorry Debs.

RIP little Layla :hug:

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 02, 2008, 23:31:19 PM

So sorry have only just seen this thread today but saw the other thread. I am so very sorry but you made the hardest and kindest decision  :hug:

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Post by: Lynds on November 03, 2008, 11:01:57 AM

Heartbreaking.


 :'(

Title: Re: A very worried mummy - Support and vibes for strength needed.
Post by: LesleyW on November 03, 2008, 14:36:18 PM

I too have only just caught up with this thread, after having seen your Rainbow Bridge thread.

I am so sorry for all you have been through and know exactly how you feel as I  had the same sort of problems with my precious Tarka.  If you search, I am sure you will find his story but basically he was 10 months old and had been incontinent or had bad diarrhoea all his short life.

I, like you, felt incredibly guilty in the fact that I was upset at having to clean up after him all the time and, to this day, I still feel so, but I know in my heart of hearts he had no real quality of life.  He spent most of his short life in a pen as he could not be left to roam around as he constantly had a runny bum, and his life was never going to improve.  His favourite past time was to sit on my shoulder but I had to be so careful he didn't move around my face too much and I could have four or five clothes changes a day.

Be proud of the life you gave to Layla - many would have given up long before you did - and be very, very proud of the love that she knew she was given by you. :Luv2: :Luv2:

RIP Layla, find little Tarka to play with and have fun with on the Bridge.

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Post by: koscha (Ruth M) on November 04, 2008, 02:40:00 AM

RIP sweet Layla, no more suffering  :'(

DS,you gave her a very precious gift, that of a loving home.  :Luv:

She had an excellent life compared to that which she started with, you never gave up on her, despite her many issues.

Bless you all at this difficult time.....

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Post by: Janeyk on November 04, 2008, 07:04:05 AM

Layla  :Luv2:
that poem has made me  :'( :'(