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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Michelle (furbabystar) on February 02, 2007, 15:40:57 PM
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I posted on the Lost and found board that a cat was run over outside my friends house the other night.
She didn't know what to do so rang RSPCA.
They very kindly (haha!) came out and took the poor cat and gave my friend some leaflets to put up.
I rang RSPCA today to get some details to give to Sue at MyMoggy and was told he was at a certain vets.
I have rang the vets and the cat has a broken pelvis and is going to be operated on. The VN said that RSPCA hadn't wanted to pay the bill so had authorized for him to be PTS.
Luckily this Vets deal with a few Charity's and Animates are going to pay the bill so the RSPCA signed him over !
What is wrong with the RSPCA ???
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It frightens me, they think they are a power unto them selves. On all animal sites you hear some tragic stories caused by the RSPCA and yet a lot of people still think they are the best thing since sliced bread. Thank god in this case vet deals with proper charities otherwise it would be too late for this little puss.
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It's sickening as they have more money than all the rescues put together!. It's sad that well-meaning people hand animals over to them expecting them to do the right thing when it's clearly not the case. Anyway, must get back to work, got to make some money for privacy screens for the cats :evillaugh:
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OMG this is so shocking ..... Thank god the vets are more caring then the RSPCA. Why do they think they are God ... who gives them the right to make these decisions.
Fingers crossed this poor little one is OK and makes it through the OP OK. Hopefully it's owners will also be found and there will be happy ending.
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:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: is what I think of the RSPCA maybe Rolf Harris should have followed them around for a couple of months instead of in that blue cross.....
Everytime I read or hear about the ill doinfgs of the RSPCA It makes me so angry. Poor little baby lets hope his Mummy and Daddy are found
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Maybe now some of you will understand why Fuzziesdad has made the petition which I hope everyone on Purrs will sign, also take a look at 'was this really neccesary'.
Sometimes we all have to agree that there our people out there with better experience than our selves & I know that everything Fuzziesdad does is for the welfare of cats so lets support the petition he has set up
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poor little mite,hope he is OK and finds his owners. :thanks:to the vets and animates.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/rspcainquiry/
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It is very distressing to read accounts like this - thank goodness the vets had the cat's interests in the forefront of their minds and made the effort, Michelle. Blackheath is a warren of streets as well as the famous heath - puddy may not have been far from home. Well done for notifying MyMoggy. Fingers crossed.
I've signed up to the petition, Roger.
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I can only second what has already been said and hope that the cat recovers and lives a long and happy life, with no thanks to RSPCA :censored:
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:censored: :censored: I didn't think that the RSPCA would allow a healthy animal to be put to sleep? Just because he had a broken pelvis, yes he wouold have been in pain, but vets can do wonderful things today!
Similarly to this, where my Dad lives, there is a feral dog living in the fields behind his house and the RSPCA have been rung and they came down to see if they could catch it etc but they just said that the weather was going to turn bad soon so that might put an end to it :'( The dog is still alive and is often seen catching rabbits etc!
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Prevention of Cruelty to Animals....................I think that is wrong somehow, its more like cause as much pain and suffering as possible and if you actually get your hands on an animal well just get rid of it onto the Bridge cos its cheaper than spending all that money thats rolling in to HQ :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
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I didn't think that the RSPCA would allow a healthy animal to be put to sleep?
You know what thought did don't you? Thought he had but he hadn't however, in this case it is thought they didn't but the did or rather do.
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Prevention of Cruelty to Animals....................I think that is wrong somehow,
I agree, often when one phones up they will do nothing as it hasn't happened yet, so where the prevention comes from I do not know.
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The dog is still alive and is often seen catching rabbits etc!
That is an absolute disgrace (not catching the rabbits), I think someone locally should contact the papers about this.
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RSPCA Medway who are independent
RSPCA branches are all independent, I have no idea if they have any shelters funded by their HQ as the CP do.
All branches need to follow the RSPCA guidelines and before they do many things the need to have authority from their HQ e.g if it were their national policy to PTS FIV cats and a certain branch didn't want to they would have to ask permission. Of course the Inspectors are paid by HQ and not affiliated to a particular branch just a particular county or when I phoned the national line once I was advised that only one inspector was on duty and he was covering 5 counties. Strange that when Rolf Harries and a TV crew attended an incident about 5 inspectors and their vans would arrive in minutes.
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being part of a production team (at the time) I 'm afraid to say that Rolf Harris has no idea that people queued for hours with their pets to take part in certain programmes & yes the only time rspca inpectors were around were when the camera's were rolling.
All rspca branches are run on a franchise sytem which they fail to tell the public about when collect funds, if they really cared as far as I am concerned they would stand up & be counted & boot the rspca into touch. You cannot say you are independant if you are going to operate under the rspca banner
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What another sad story involving that well known national charity - I told our new FD a few truths about them when he said he donated to them - was rather forceful though, and the poor bloke had only been there a couple of weeks!! I just wish that everyone could know the truth, it might make them change their ways then, when the money stops rolling in. Although I have heard loads of good things about Amanda and Penny at Medway, so they are not all bad. I havne't managed to make it to our new branch since it opened though, I have been near it during opening hours and haven't figured out where the entrance is yet!!
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amanda and I have had many discussions about this and she knows how I feel about the RSPCA ......but that is the HQ not those who work for them or have the franchises most of these people are like most people who work on shelters and rescues overworked angels nevertheless the RSPCA franchise do carry the RSPCA name and use their logo's and all that goes with that.
The RSPCA were very clever setting up these franchises,getting rental and initial costs from people who will only do their best for animals giving them the idea that they have independence when in actual fact they are still hamstrung by RSPCA policies and rules.
I will say what I have said before I only have the deepest respect for anyone who works at what I call the sharp end of animal welfare,RSPCA,CP,whoever its those who sit in offices and dictate what is right and wrong in that field but have never had to scoop up cats poo or sick just because they love the animals and it does seem to me that this attitude has crept down the ranks in the RSPCA as far as the inspectors so much so that they would not think twice about closing one of their own rescues/shelters down for not towing the line (just ask those at the Swansea animal rescue which gladly is now ex-RSPCA). I would really love the RSPCA to go back to what they were 20 years ago when the byword was advise not prosecute but it really looks more and more like that is a pipe-dream to far.
roger.
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Roger have you put the link on the petition page !..
I hope so i have in recent years discovered more and more upsetting things about the work or lack of it that they do when it comes to animal welfare ..I have a friend who works for them and feel quite sorry for them as they will do their best but have to go with head office unless they have an alternative !
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RSPCA & the SSPCA are tied with the same stick....not interested in animals but only money. The royal in RSPCA is cause theres a 'royal' patron.....which is EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL as the royals a bunch of :censored: :censored: :censored:.
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Thats what I thought Mbll, about the royal connection but someone said that its not true. If it was we would have someone to target
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yup gill true
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you need 100 to make it viable and put in front of those that make it work, it will run until July and up to now we have 258 and we have one Alistair Campbell now it would be nice if it was THE Alistair Campbell would'nt
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Signed.
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Thats great cos its gone up by approx 100 in last 24 hrs ;D
more more more!
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Thats great cos its gone up by approx 100 in last 24 hrs ;D
more more more!
I've signed and clicked the link but I'm not up there (last time I looked) - does anyone know if there is a short delay while they verify?
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I just signed it and my name went to the bottom of the list rather than the top :Crazy:
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mark, they all go to the bottom typical government thing everything in reverse.
once you have clicked the site to sign they will send you an email with the link (might be an idea to look in the trash as sometimes thats where you will find it)and also it might take some time as it looks like they do it in blocks (probably manual)
thank you to all those who have signed its now at 308 and seems to be gaining momentum there is also one vet as far as I know (MRCVS) who has signed :thanks:
roger.
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:thanks: lyn I have just had a good look at the petition and the surprising thing to me is how many men have been signing it,don't know the exact figures but its a good percentage.
once again :thanks: to all those who have signed and passed on.
337 this evening.
roger.
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Just in case it not clear, when you have signed you will get and email and you have to action the link in that to actually get your signature on the petition.
The more animal forums the link is put on the better.
It sounds like it is finally getting some momentum cos the numbers have suddenly stated increasing....................sign sign sign ;D
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I have just had a good look at the petition and the surprising thing to me is how many men have been signing it
I would like to bet that partners have been putting their name on in some cases. I know I would.
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Just had a lady on the phone who needs to rehome her two cats, one is 8 the other 9. She is way out of our area, but I gave her some advise and asked where she got them from. RSPCA apparently, I told her to ring them and they may be able to take them back. She told me she had and they told her the best they could do was to put them to sleep due to their age. !!!!!!!!!! Even though they were the ones that rehomed them only a few years ago.
I ask you............................ beggers belief. I have no doubt that poor Isaac with me wouldnt of survived the RSPCA.
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It's unbelievable - It's like they are beyond reproach. They seem to have such dated fascist ideas about how animals should be "dealt with" they seem to be run like a local council going by a rule book with no grey areas or taking each case by it's merit. Until recently, I thought they were wonderful and I'm sure most people still do. Why does this woman want to rehome? I can never understand how people can let pets go so easily.
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. She told me she had and they told her the best they could do was to put them to sleep due to their age. !!!!!!!!!! Even though they were the ones that rehomed them only a few years ago.
That is an absolute disgrace. Perhaps someone should contact RSPCS HQ in Horsham and ask what they think to this scandalous statement.
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A weird thing is that my name hasn't appeared on the petition website yet >:( and I signed several days ago...
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I have put this link onto the Katnip forum.
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It's unbelievable - It's like they are beyond reproach. They seem to have such dated fascist ideas about how animals should be "dealt with" they seem to be run like a local council going by a rule book with no grey areas or taking each case by it's merit. Until recently, I thought they were wonderful and I'm sure most people still do. Why does this woman want to rehome? I can never understand how people can let pets go so easily.
I think the word you are looking for mark is DRACONIAN.
christine try doing it again and also look in your trash as it ends up there some times(who says computers can't think for themselves :rofl:).
again :thanks:to all those that have signed.
roger.
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A weird thing is that my name hasn't appeared on the petition website yet >:( and I signed several days ago...
Did you get a reply mail with a link to click ... if so try clicking the link again .... it will either tell you you have already siged or it will register your name.
If you haven't had a link I would suggest trying again (check your spam folder ... it seems the emails with links end up in there).
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Just bringing the link up again ;D
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/rspcainquiry/
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Just had a lady on the phone who needs to re home her two cats, one is 8 the other 9. She is way out of our area, but I gave her some advise and asked where she got them from. RSPCA apparently, I told her to ring them and they may be able to take them back. She told me she had and they told her the best they could do was to put them to sleep due to their age. !!!!!!!!!! Even though they were the ones that re homed them only a few years ago.
I ask you............................ beggers belief. I have no doubt that poor Isaac with me wouldnt of survived the RSPCA.
:censored: :censored: :censored: that is an absolutely appalling thing for them to say.....think they need to change their name to RSPKA ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION KINDNESS TO ANIMALS.
It really makes me Angy as 8 and 9 are no age for a cat....Bella and Milo are proof of that (25) .....I wish I had more room to take some more fur babes :( :( :( I really think Horesham needs a call it wouldn't even be worth taking them to the RSPCA now as you know what their outcome is Rainbow bridge way before their time poor, poor little fur babes
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Have signed the petition days ago and sent the link to friends
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[Did you get a reply mail with a link to click ... if so try clicking the link again .... it will either tell you you have already siged or it will register your name.
I did get that email, Sam, and did click on it. Today I've clicked on it again only to find that a name spookily like mine but spelt differently had recently appeared on the list. I suspect that the list is updated manually and that I have now inadvertently double-voted - hope they don't disqualify me :scared:
Even if they do, it's up to over 500 signatories already :wow:
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[Did you get a reply mail with a link to click ... if so try clicking the link again .... it will either tell you you have already siged or it will register your name.
I did get that email, Sam, and did click on it. Today I've clicked on it again only to find that a name spookily like mine but spelt differently had recently appeared on the list. I suspect that the list is updated manually and that I have now inadvertently double-voted - hope they don't disqualify me :scared:
Even if they do, it's up to over 500 signatories already :wow:
hey thats a good one maybe we can all try that,I am sure as you say christine that it is updated manually.
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Ok I thought I was imagining it but posts on this thread are being deleted...............I have posted a number of times and all the posts are gone, including what I put yesterday. So who is deleting posts? >:( >:( >:( >:(
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think we have been here before. :rofl:
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Well, I can tell you with absolute certainty it wasn't me.
But I doubt you thought that it was? Why would anyone do such a thing?
>:(
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Defo not me either!!
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Where are we again Fuzzie?
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I have just discovered the mystery, and its all my fault, my one brain cell forgot there are two threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
The other thread where my posts are is of course the petition one but because of sorta crosss posting on this thread, I was confudddled to bits :rofl: :rofl:
Apologies to all , no posts missing they are just somewhere else :-: :-: :-:
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Desley, I know what you mean; many people think the sun shines from the RSPCA's bottom. An animal-loving friend of mine has a daughter who recently graduated; after consideration, she's decided to become an RSPCA officer, as she wants to help animals. When told this I 'grrrrrr'd' through gritted teeth, then politely explained that there are many things about them which is just not caring. But she's been brainwashed by the adverts, Rolf, et al into the belief that they help suffering animals.
HOW DO YOU GET THROUGH TO NICE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS?
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Rolf, et
I heard he has fallen out with them now, don't know if it is true or not.
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Desley, I know what you mean; many people think the sun shines from the RSPCA's bottom. An animal-loving friend of mine has a daughter who recently graduated; after consideration, she's decided to become an RSPCA officer, as she wants to help animals. When told this I 'grrrrrr'd' through gritted teeth, then politely explained that there are many things about them which is just not caring. But she's been brainwashed by the adverts, Rolf, et al into the belief that they help suffering animals.
HOW DO YOU GET THROUGH TO NICE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS?
Most people think like that - they simply have no reason to believe otherwise. I'd never heard any negative stories about them until I came on here/catchat. They portray themselves as a caring organisation that helps animals and are probably the first organisation that would spring to mind if you asked any memeber of the public about animal welfare. I'm sure there lots of caring individuals who work for them, but unfortunately there seems to be this dark side that the general public, unsurprisingly, doesn't get to see.
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HOW DO YOU GET THROUGH TO NICE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS?
Try giving her this site, http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadvision/
Also she could use the links to speak to the SHG & realize just how much anger there is out there towards this so charity.
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Saffron, that link doesnt work for me :-[
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sorry fould up there, it has moved will try & get new link or maybe Fuzziesdad can put the link on......
try www.webtribe.net/~animadversion/
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http://www.webtribe.net/~animadversion/
I think this is the one you want .................but be prepared for a shock
Most people think like that - they simply have no reason to believe otherwise. I'd never heard any negative stories about them until I came on here/catchat. They portray themselves as a caring organisation that helps animals and are probably the first organisation that would spring to mind if you asked any memeber of the public about animal welfare. I'm sure there lots of caring individuals who work for them, but unfortunately there seems to be this dark side that the general public, unsurprisingly, doesn't get to see.
well I am glad that all that ear bashing saffy and I(and a lot of others who wish to stay anonymos) have done on catchat and other sites has done some good nearly 3 years its taken us to convince people,neither of us want to bring down the RSPCA which was the obvious assumption at the start the RSPCA was and still is to some people the holy grail unfortunately it is far to late now to stop them becoming even more dictatorial,despotic,draconian (take your pick) but at least now we have bought their antics to the fore and people will know how to handle them.
I am not going to go over it all again (it gets boring and like banging your head against the proverbial wall) but I do suspect that those who have signed either have because of the publicity or because they have already been caught out by their(RSPCA) liking of picking on and bullying older and single people,they have to all general purpose become the animal police,which is not what all this new animal welfare law is about.
roger
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Last year I fostered a pregnant feral cat through a charity in London. The lady whose garden she'd been living in with a number of other ferals had phoned the RSPCA and asked for help. By this point she had 4 pregnant ferals, one had given birth, the RSPCA told her to leave them alone and they'd sort themselves out! Thankfully she called around an a smaller charity, took all the mothers, neutered and spayed the colony and found homes for the kittens.
People think I am mad when I say the RSPCA are evil, but i think what is mad is people not knowing what they are really like
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my friend (cat lover) had a stray kitten in her garden who looked under the weather and really wanted to come into her house for warmth, etc. She was feeding him outside but he could not come in as she had another cat who was hissing and did not like the stray at all. She phoned RSPCA on a few occasions and they said they would send someone but nobody ever came. She was worried for him as it got to winter. She called her local CP and they didnt come either!
Unfortunately for her cat, it was diagnosed with being ill (cant exactly remember now but I think a tumour in the stomach) and died shortly after. She then took in the poor kitten as she knew nobody was going to come for him! He is a beautiful cat. She heard afterwards that his owners moved away and left him behind.
She now also has a gorgeous red tabby boy who turned up on her doorstep just before Christmas howling to get in. She seems to just attract needy cats , they must be able to smell a cat lover from a mile off! :rofl:
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She called her local CP and they didnt come either!
That is sad, what I would have done in these circumstances is ask the caller if they were prepared to take the little one for a vet check and then feed it until we had room. Unfortunately we are all unpaid volunteers and most also work full time so we do need people to meet us halfway. We cannot go round picking up all the strays, some days I have calls to bring in up to 30 which is absolutely impossible.
To say you are coming and then not is not in my opinion on. In our area the RSPCA would automatically put the caller on to us as they do not deal with strays, only gifted cats.
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"gifted cats" I like that one Ela there are good and bad at all charities and I think everyone who bothers to contact one should be given an answer even if it is we can do nothing at this moment in time but...........................I must admit (while with CP) if I thought that someone was swaying about the cat I would ask them to foster it supply food and visits to the vet and by the time we got round to taking the cat it had well and truly got its feet(paws) under the table :rofl:
CP have aways had some excuse as far as I am concerned because they don't have adverts on the TV saying they save animals and we get stories like this and basically they have always had a no kill policy :thanks:
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I think and I've said this before, the only way to change things is to get involved. I've heard lots of horror stories about the RSPCA and I don't doubt any of them. I got involved in our local RSPCA committee just to see how they work and what actually goes on. I have to say in our local branches defense, they are a bunch of fab people who do a lot for animals and the inspectors clearly show compassion for them. Ours spend a lot of funding on neutering, vaccinating and microchipping which has to be a good thing. Everyone knows Feral Cats are my passion........they do an awful lot for these guys, which sadly I can't say for a lot a branches or a lot of charities for that matter. The problem tends to lie with the HQ and I think in most cases, if you contact local branches, you would get more sense out of them. When I've dealt with HQ in the past, if I'm not happy with who I've spoken to, then I phone again until I get someone who is doing the job for the animals and not just seeing it as a job. There are some good guys in the RSPCA and it's a shame they all get tarred with the same brush.
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When I've dealt with HQ in the past, if I'm not happy with who I've spoken to, then I phone again until I get someone who is doing the job for the animals and not just seeing it as a job.
I think that is exactly it with many Charity HQ's, for most of the people who work there it is a paid job and some don't necessarily even like animals, they can go home at night , have the weekend off and not even think about the plight of the little ones suffering. Whereas we unpaid slaves volunteers are here because we care and want to make a difference 24/7
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a lot of the rspca workers r unpaid though .
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a lot of the rspca workers r unpaid though
Most branches do have volunteers but they often only work a few hours a week and may not be allowed to do the tasks that involve dealing with the public or making the often life and death decisions.
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They are in the branches Forever, but a lot of HQ staff are paid - and as Ela says, once you get paid, you are doing a job for money, and it doesn't always matter whether you want to be there etc, whereas the unpaid volunteers do it cos they want to and care.
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yea thats true
we give 3pound a month by dd to rspca
but i want to change and give it to cpl or dogs trust as they are much more better imo
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If you want to give to CP you need to contact whichever branch you wish to benefit from your generosity and ask them for a Standing Order form. Please be aware that branches can only accept Standing Order – but not direct debit - If you do not stipulate a Branch HQ will receive the donation.
Also if the donor is a tax payer and has not filled in a Gift Aid form please consider doing so as the branch can then claim 28p in the pound (at no cost to yourself) from the taxman on all donations.