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Title: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: wharfevalley catsprotection on June 09, 2008, 12:05:24 PM
I know there's another thread on here about a cat we've helped, but this is another one!

I hope people know that I don't post these just in the hope that people will clean up the mess, but I do go on the Tree site a lot for work and so i'd rather pass them on  :thanks:

PM me if you need the details.

They say they are moving in a couple of weeks (doesn't say how far gone the cat is).

Jen xxx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 16:56:34 PM
I've now had a chat with this lady and she said she can keep her for about 2 weeks so I'll try and get something sorted for her.  She is approx 2 weeks caught but possibly up to 4 weeks so if I can get her in, I will do.  She's had 4 litters up to now and she said she did want her doing but her vet won't spay whilst pregnant.  I will keep you posted  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn F on June 09, 2008, 16:57:30 PM
is she keeping her Dawn, if she is spayed?
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 16:59:31 PM
Sadly she can't.  She's moving in with her boyfriend who has a Japanese Akita and she's worried about her getting hurt.  She's just told me the woman across the road from her also has 2 females, constantly pregnant and sells the kittens for £90 a time  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn F on June 09, 2008, 17:00:57 PM
for gods sake, who buys them - I hope this little one gets to safety as well, four litters is a lot
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 17:03:02 PM
I'll get her sorted don't worry, she's going to pull the ad off now but ideally I need a foster home for her  :tired:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 09, 2008, 17:11:08 PM
wish i was closer to help Dawn... but if I can be of any help at all just shout  even if it means a relay 'up north'. 

Is there no-one else near your area that could help out?? 

Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 17:13:43 PM
Thanks hun  :hug:  I've got a couple of mates that I might be able to rope in for fostering, so I'll see what I can do  ;)
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: wharfevalley catsprotection on June 09, 2008, 17:21:04 PM
Thanks Dawn  :hug: You're a star!
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 09, 2008, 17:22:35 PM
Ok let me know how you get on... but the offer is there if you need it :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 09, 2008, 17:46:27 PM
Surely there must be one vet in manchester that would spay a not very pregnant cat  :shocked:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 18:09:18 PM
Surely there must be one vet in manchester that would spay a not very pregnant cat  :shocked:

Sadly I haven't got time to find one and plus she will probably need funding to get her done.  Hopefully I can get her sorted before it's too late for a spay.  I have had an offer off someone this afternoon who has offered to pick her up, they are going to Manchester the next few days so I may be able to get her in.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Angiew on June 09, 2008, 20:47:16 PM
As with all sidetracked threads the side track is a very interesting one!

I had the self same chaat with the vet this afternoon! Two Queens in to be spayed (one of them a ftgh that I picked up last week) and as her kttens was 12 weeks old, i expected her to be preg and told him not to spay if she was. He asked why and I said though not a prolifer etc, It just seemed that if a life had started it was for us to look after it.

Having said that hthough, I wouldn't be upset if a cat was found to be pregnant when spayed.....

And his argument was that they are too many kittens, CP here having some that they cannot home and we have 4 8 week olds with no homes lined up yet.

edited to say - damn why are all the good, thought provoking debates always removed! :Crazy:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 09, 2008, 20:59:25 PM
edited to say - damn why are all the good, thought provoking debates always removed! :Crazy:

I agree, things get heated but if it can open the eyes of people that dont think then its a good thing. Alot of guests read who may not realise the extent of the problem and decide against their "just one litter"

I agree with dawns decision
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Christine (Blip) on June 09, 2008, 21:13:41 PM
why are all the good, thought provoking debates always removed! :Crazy:

I agree entirely.  If I, in conscience, had expressed an opinion, I would be broken-hearted that it had been removed.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 21:34:59 PM
I agree entirely.  If I, in conscience, had expressed an opinion, I would be broken-hearted that it had been removed.

This isn't about people's feelings though, this is about what is best for the cat.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on June 09, 2008, 21:38:07 PM
Dawn
I am publically offering Pen space for this cat so that she may be allowed to have her babies; I have taken many cats from you in the past so you know the high level of care given at Paws Inn. The decision is yours, I will not post again on this thread ,you have my details should you choose to use them.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 09, 2008, 21:43:27 PM
Dawn
I am publically offering Pen space for this cat so that she may be allowed to have her babies; I have taken many cats from you in the past so you know the high level of care given at Paws Inn. The decision is yours, I will not post again on this thread ,you have my details should you choose to use them.

I know this post has been made to make me look bad but sorry I've made my decision.  She has had 4 litters in a year and I'm not letting her go through a 5th if it can be avoided.  Thanks for the offer anyway.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 09, 2008, 21:45:57 PM
sometimes you have to look at what is best for mum not the babies.

By the sounds of things mum has been through enough already and if Dawn feels that it is in the mum cats best interests to not go through another draining pregnancy and birth and rearing of kittens... then she should be allowed to make that decision without fear of criticism or of being branded as heartless because of her actions.

Revised to add....

4 litters in a year is a rediculous number of pregnancy and births to go through.... 9 weeks per pregnancy, then all the weeks of raising.... people should do the math... this poor wee thing has been a permanent baby machine for the last year.  Does she deserve to go through this for a 5th time.... I'm surprised she would even have the strength to get through yet another pregnancy without complications.  Surely it would be just as 'cruel' to allow her to have the babies????  :shocked:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: MBll on June 09, 2008, 22:51:39 PM


 She has had 4 litters in a year and I'm not letting her go through a 5th if it can be avoided.  


4 litters in 1 year is to many  this poor cat is a breeding machine due to incapable unresponsible humans there is no need for her to  make it a fifth.  For many reasons....she will not thank you for it.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: JackSpratt on June 09, 2008, 23:29:36 PM
How old is this little girl? So many litters already. :(

Good luck with this little one.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 10, 2008, 01:32:39 AM
How old is this little girl? So many litters already. :(

I think the lady said she was 5 but up until last year, she very rarely went out and since then they haven't been able to keep her in, every time they wanted to get her spayed she was pregnant so again it was delayed

sometimes you have to look at what is best for mum not the babies.

4 litters in a year is a rediculous number of pregnancy and births to go through.... 9 weeks per pregnancy, then all the weeks of raising.... people should do the math... this poor wee thing has been a permanent baby machine for the last year.  Does she deserve to go through this for a 5th time.... I'm surprised she would even have the strength to get through yet another pregnancy without complications.  Surely it would be just as 'cruel' to allow her to have the babies????  :shocked:
.

Exactly, and this is why if I can get her in, she will be going regardless of others comments.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: koscha (Ruth M) on June 10, 2008, 01:38:57 AM
I support your decision to ease this little ladies burden and get her spayed, i really dread to think what condition this little lady is in having been thorough so many pregnancies in such a short time....especially if she hasn't been cared for well on top of it.
Sometimes it is best to put the mummy first....  :Luv:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 10, 2008, 08:04:27 AM
Aww, teh poor baby - I am glad she is doing to be spayed, the poor baby doesnt need to have a 5th litter.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on June 10, 2008, 08:25:00 AM
it's sad and I hate to think of her having her babies taken away from her   :(

 but I think you are right DD - it's not fair on this little lass to have to go through it again. Poor little babe, xxxxx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn F on June 10, 2008, 09:09:51 AM
what a situation for the poor cat to be in, surely that many litters in a year can only be detrimental to her health
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: wharfevalley catsprotection on June 10, 2008, 11:03:45 AM
Thanks DD for this. Here at our branch, we spay whislt pregnant (up to a point of course) and although none of us like it, it really is one of the only ways that we can save mums/cut down on unwanted kittens etc etc.

I think more than anything, this thread shows that whatever side of the fence you're on, couldn't it all be saved by people having their cats neutered?  :(
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Angiew on June 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AM
I think its good for all rescues to discuss this issue. At the end of the day our first prioity is to look after the ones we already have in our care - this we all agree on.
Though Covcats state in our handbook that it is generally felt that if kittens can be felt it is probably too late to spay, it is kept relatively vague in that at the end of the day (now this is my personal opinion) that it is up to the fosterer concerned if they feel comfortable with the procedure. I would hate to loose a valued fostered (and they are not like gold dust but bloody great big nuggets of the stuff!) by forcing them to make a decision about a cat in their care that they are not happy about.

As Adel says, ultimately it should be the responsibility of the people 'out there' to be sensible and do right but it is us that pick up the pieces and are forced to make life and death decisions - whether this be to spay a pregnant queen or even to find that extra space to take in a cat in need. I know of one young stray that was reported to me , that I didn't take in and she was subsequently run over in an RTA - thats one I don't forget after several years.
This is the reality of rescue, we try to help as many as possible in the best way each of us sees fit and while we may disagree with some of the things other rescues do, it is up to each rescue.
I like to debate such things as I am always open to learning and changing my attitude and if these things aren't discussed then I feel I lose out personally which can then have a knock on effect on the cats in my care.
I think if we weren't so overburdened we would all not consider aborting and of course there is the health of the mother and litter to consider. We have seen recently (with Gems litter) that things ae not always striaghtforward.  :(

So please, lets talk about the issue but not get personal and remember that we will always disagree about such sensitive topics but perhaps because it is so sensitive, it more deserves to be discussed.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 10, 2008, 12:06:59 PM
I must say I'm surprised by peoples responses, I really thought I was going to be the evil princess in all this by doing what I feel is best.  I really appreciate all your support and I will point out, I do not take these decisions likely.............I hate abortion with a vengeance but that is my own feelings on it and no matter how I feel, I have to put my feelings aside and think of the cat in question and all the homeless/unwanted animals out there, thanks anyway  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: JackSpratt on June 10, 2008, 12:14:59 PM
I must say I'm surprised by peoples responses, I really thought I was going to be the evil princess in all this by doing what I feel is best.

Not at all, Dawn. Although it's terribly sad regarding the kitten aspect, the mother cats health both psychologically and physically has to be taken into account too.

I hope she's OK. :)
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: MBll on June 10, 2008, 12:29:48 PM
Its  a lot to put on a cat or any animal having 4 litters in the same year & expect to have a fifth  cos of human preference.   Right through a pregancy, labour, droping what 5 or 6 kittens & then nursing them for the next 6/7 weeks.....its a drain on body & heath. .....& this has happened 4 TIMES.  This cat is nothing more then a breeding machine which is not right.


Imagine yourself  going through  this cos someone else wants babys from you....4 times in the year & expecting to drop litter number  5







Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 10, 2008, 12:35:58 PM
So please, lets talk about the issue but not get personal and remember that we will always disagree about such sensitive topics but perhaps because it is so sensitive, it more deserves to be discussed.

Good point Angie.... and I whole heartedly agree that personal jibes should not come into it.  As you said we all have different opinions but at the same time we all have the best interests of the cats at heart.  This is what must take priority and whether we agree 100% with the actions of another rescue we should be big enough to respect their decision especially in circumstances such as these.

In a situation such as this, whilst yes it is sad that the kittens may not be born, it is what is best for mum.  What is the point in letting her have the kittens only to perhaps lose mum through complications as she is not strong enough to cope with yet another birth this year?  

Dawn - you have weighed up the pro's and con's of this case and any decision you make should be respected whether or not we agree with it.  If in your care you are responsible for mum's well being and we should trust that you will do the best by her, of which I do.

None of us, whether right or wrong in others eyes should have to feel we are doing 'wrong' simply because others don't agree.  Discuss and debate the topic if needed but please don't put others down for their beliefs and actions.

Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Liz on June 10, 2008, 14:56:05 PM
Sometimes the decisions we make are not in our best interests but the cats, had I known with Gem it would have saved a lot of heartache on both sides and the expense that she racked up ( we have paid and do not begrudge it) but again cost is an implication and also the time involved, me I love vets visits late at night!

We do not begrudge gem and Brodie or Beijing but as both "parents" are only 8 months themselves sometimes it is so sad to see

Dawn you will do whats right and I will support you 100%
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 10, 2008, 15:05:06 PM
Thanks for the support  :hug:  :hug:  With the tortie I have in at the moment, if she had have been pregnant, I would definitely have made the same decision.  She has 2 babies and she is literally a bag of bones, they are taking so much out of her and again she's been bred and bred.  She has been on a/d for the last few weeks and Sean has suggested I take the babies away from her as the babies are having a detrimental effect on her health.  I think the easy decision is letting them go through a pregnancy, clear conscience and everything, the hardest decision is making the right one and I have no doubts in my mind that this is the right one.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: ccmacey on June 10, 2008, 23:41:04 PM
How far gone is she?

With the health of the cat it wouldnt be fair to let her go through this again, after all obviously being pregnant has done this to her. There are already millions of cats needing homes why create a bigger burden?

Although if the pregnancy has gone past a certain stage I do not agree with taking them away. I think if it has you should take up Teresa's offer.

But most importantly the health and wellbeing of the cat thats already here must come first.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 11, 2008, 04:45:00 AM
Although if the pregnancy has gone past a certain stage I do not agree with taking them away. I think if it has you should take up Teresa's offer.

CC, if you read my post properly, you will already see what my decision is as to whether she will be spayed or not.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 11, 2008, 08:00:48 AM
I agree that it should be something we can discuss maturely, without any personal comments towards people, as this is the way we learn, and for people like me, who have only been doing it a short time, and haven't been in this situation, it is good for us to have a discussion which could help us if we are ever in that situation. I have had 2 mum cats who have been allowed out while kittens were still with them, so potentially could have, and both were spayed regardless, as they were both 10 months old, and had already had one litter. Fortunately neither were.

I think I would have done the same as you Dawn, as she has been through so many litters already, I would be very concerned about her health, and the chance of her being able to give them enough to produce healthy babies - our first mum cat of the year had poor nutrition whilst pregnant, and I saw the effect on her babies, it wasn't a pleasant thing, and not one I want to have to go through again, or put a mum cat through again.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 11, 2008, 13:20:49 PM
I only have to think about Smokies babies to realise that spaying is the best solution.  I didn't know her history, only that she was a scrapyard cat having continuous litters.  If you remember, she had 7 babies, all born mostly blind and only Emily survived  :'(  Sean had tried to persuade me to get her done when I got her in but because of my views and being pig headed, I wouldn't.  Because of that, 6 kittens died and I had to go through the heartache when it could so easily have been avoided.  I know I wouldn't have had Emily now but looking at it another way 6 babies ended up dying to save one  :'(  This episode in my life certainly made me think of the consequences of my actions.  Cats don't choose to have babies, it's up to us humans to make sure we are responsible!!
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn F on June 11, 2008, 13:26:43 PM
that's the point they don't have the choice and can't say no to the tom down the road, sometimes we have to step in, such as when we pts, its not natures way but its the kindest way

Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: ccmacey on June 11, 2008, 13:29:32 PM
Yes I have Dawn, and said as this involves the cats health then that must come first. Obviously whats already here has priority. But if it has gone past the stage, I couldnt do it, after all they didnt ask to be here  :shy:

Prolife has 2 meaning with this situation.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on June 11, 2008, 13:31:24 PM
quote author=Dawn (DiddyDawn) link=topic=15510.msg266985#msg266985 date=1213186849]
 Cats don't choose to have babies, [/quote]


 Well Said DD   :agree:    :cuddle:

You know what you are doing - and you have to think of Mum - It's sad that she will loose her bubbas but can she really afford to have them? will he health suffer? - these babes are already loved by us here. xxxxx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: JackSpratt on June 11, 2008, 13:34:26 PM
...and I had to go through the heartache when it could so easily have been avoided.

I know this wasn't the main reason for your decision because you're so much about the cats! The stress that poor cats body will have gone through to have so many litters in such a short space of time doesn't bear thinking about. I can understand it influencing the decision, though. It must've been terribly traumatic.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 11, 2008, 19:50:40 PM
I've had a chat with Sean about this little one tonight and he agrees 100% with my decision.  He said he would not advise letting any cat have 5 consecutive litters in such a short space of time, not only would it be detrimental to her health but also to her unborn babies.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 11, 2008, 19:57:04 PM
no doubt it was the right decision Dawn but at least it may have put your mind at rest now that Sean has backed up your decision.
  I hope so anyway :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 12, 2008, 07:58:55 AM
i am glad Sean has agreed with you, although to be honest I would have been surprised if he hadn't.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 12, 2008, 18:11:22 PM
Have you managed to collect her yet dawn?
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 12, 2008, 18:31:46 PM
She should be getting sorted by tomorrow  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2008, 18:40:30 PM
Well done Dawn  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 12, 2008, 18:54:01 PM
Great, is she going back to her owners for a while?
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 12, 2008, 20:55:31 PM
That is good.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 20, 2008, 00:29:52 AM
Just a quick update on this little girl.  She feels quite a bit bigger than the 4 weeks the lady thought she was initially so she's going in for a checkover tomorrow and I'll see what the vet says.  Her last litter was taken away from her on the 13th April and they were then 6 weeks old, prior to that, her litter before was given away on the 23rd December so she's had a busy few months really  :tired:  She may feel bigger because she's quite a small cat but I'll see what they say  :wish:  I will keep you posted and I'll get some piccies of her as soon as I have chance.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 20, 2008, 11:24:49 AM
all you can do Dawn ... keep us posted but hopingall works out OK :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 20, 2008, 18:07:32 PM
Something came up today so I didn't manage to get to the vets but she'll be going in tomorrow after work and she's pencilled in for Monday just in case.  I spent all day yesterday and today thinking about the rights and wrongs of what I'm doing and it's making me feel physically sick, and this has nothing to do with comments that were made earlier on in the thread, this is just my whole feelings on it.  I'm going to make the right decision for mum regardless but it doesn't stop it breaking my heart if I decide to go ahead with the spay  :'(  :'(  I've been sat here in tears thinking about this and I shouldn't have to making these decisions day in and day out and be expected to let it wash over me, I absolutely  :censored: hate it  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 20, 2008, 19:49:34 PM
 :hug: :hug: let sean guide you, its never easy making such decisions.  Would be more concerned if it didnt bother you  :shy:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 20, 2008, 20:13:26 PM
I'll be seeing the other vet tomorrow as I know she'll be honest with me.  I trust Sean 100% but he also knows how I feel so he may tell me she's less than she is so I don't feel as bad.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 20, 2008, 20:40:22 PM
Dawn, if it didn't break your heart or you got upset about it, then I'd say its time to hang up your boots!  :hug:     I know there are those who can make these decisions without feeling or emotion but I, like you, struggle with certain decisions that although my head knows its the right thing to do, my heart still tugs.

In this instance though I do feel it is one that has to be made with your head based on the information from Sean or the other vet as to how far along she is and what their recommendations are to ensure the best for mum.  As hard as it is a decision to make mum has been through a lot and whilst yes she'd go through it again as she has no choice it may not necessarily be what is best in the end.  Either way the vets will guide you through it based on their opinions and if you follow their advice then it does take it off your shoulders in a way regarding the decision.   :hug:   :Luv2:

If you need or want to talk it through, you know where I am!  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 20, 2008, 20:56:50 PM
Thanks Sarah  :hug:  :hug:  The mistake I made was thinking about it too much, always a big mistake with me.  I then made the mistake of talking to my mate who's a vet nurse, she feels exactly the same and it was just something she said that really got to me  :'(  :'(  I know what the right decision is basing it on when her last litter was rehomed, but I'm finding it hard at the moment as I have another 2 in the same situation and I have to make the same decision, so it's just getting to me a little at the moment   :'(  I'm not sure what it will achieve getting the vet to check them all but I think it may help me get my head round it, I honestly don't know  :Dont know:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on June 20, 2008, 22:02:42 PM
Dawn we all know you and trust your judgement.  :hug: :hug: A situation like this is always going to end in tragedy in some way, but you must remember you brought none of this into being. Don't beat yourself up as it achieves nothing and certainly won't help mum cat, will it?  :shy: :blow kiss:

Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 20, 2008, 22:17:57 PM
I think you've just got a bit too much on your plate and too much spinning round your head Dawn.  Give yourself a little time out if you can and see the other vet on Monday.  ALthough they may not say anything different to Sean, even if they say the same then it may help you get your head round it all.

I know its far easier said than done... as we all get emotionally involved even in the shortest time... but try stepping back from the decision completely and let the vets decide.  You concentrate on the after and daily care for mum.  One other way to look at it  as well... which maybe not the best way to put it.. so sorry....

is if anything were to happen to mum as a complication of the birth I know you would never forgive yourself so take yourself out of the decision making process if you can hun :hug:

Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: woowoo on June 21, 2008, 11:46:53 AM
DD if you need any help I'm in South Cumbria, so not too far away. I've got a kittenery(!) in my garden, only new this year. I'm sure you'll work out what's best for her. Trust your instinct. :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Mark on June 21, 2008, 12:19:00 PM
 don't know what to add Dawn other than I agree that you should let the vet give you an unbiased opinion  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 21, 2008, 20:10:12 PM
Thanks for everyones advice and yes I took the vets as well  ;)  :hug:  :hug:  Cleo is in the vets and she'll be getting done on Monday, Siobhan said she's healthy at the moment and it's best that we keep her that way, by putting her through another birth may be too much for her.  She was fine when I took her through and got her cage sorted and was eating within seconds bless her, I'll get some piccies of her when she's recovered from her op  :Luv:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 21, 2008, 21:20:15 PM
glad to hear she has settled in fine and fingers crossed that all goes fine for Monday Dawn.  :hug:   I hope this had put your mind at ease now? :)
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 21, 2008, 21:22:20 PM
Thanks Sarah  :hug:  I'm sure she'll be fine, Sean will be doing her op so she's in safe hands  :)
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on June 22, 2008, 16:04:27 PM
Cant say i agree with the decision that has been made but i hope all goes well - big kiss to Chloe and a hug to you Dawn xx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 22, 2008, 16:47:02 PM
I think under the circumstances, and with the advice of the vet, it's the best decision for Cleo.  You have to remember, this poor cat has already had 4 litters in less than a year, a fifth is putting unnecessary stress on her body.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on June 22, 2008, 17:11:42 PM
Dawn..... :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: JackSpratt on June 22, 2008, 17:48:46 PM
Dawn, you did what you thought was best. Cleo is already here and has had so much stress put on her body. It's awful that you and every other rescue have to make decisions like this because people are so irresponsible. :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 22, 2008, 21:50:48 PM
i think you are doing the right thing, she hasn't had enough time to recover from her previous litters, so why put her and the babies lives at risk?
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 22, 2008, 22:49:44 PM
i think you are doing the right thing, she hasn't had enough time to recover from her previous litters, so why put her and the babies lives at risk?

Thanks Des, I know it's the right decision, there are other considerations to take into account and it would be great if everyone looked at the whole picture.  It's not a decision taken lightly and it has made me feel  :censored: but Cleo is the priority, not how I feel  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on June 23, 2008, 12:29:54 PM
Hows Cleo doing? - hope is going well bless xxxxxx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 23, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
I phoned the vets up earlier and she's absolutely fine  :Luv:  I can pick her up later this afternoon and if she's up to it, I'll get some piccies  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2008, 12:46:18 PM
Great Dawn  :hug:

You did the right thing by her and she can look forward to building her strength up and having the great life she deserves  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 23, 2008, 12:50:12 PM
Thanks Mark  :hug:  :hug:  She is such a sweetie and I can't see her waiting long for a home, she's the spit of my mini Soot and fairly dainty.  I'm just pleased it's all over and done with and she can now enjoy being a cat for once instead of being a kitten rearing machine  :Luv:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Yvonne on June 23, 2008, 13:50:13 PM
That is good news - I am so pleased that Cleo is ok and look forward to seeing pictures.

I was somewhat surprised that your Vet would spay during pregnancy because my Vet practice will not.  When I took Parrot in to be spayed last month the lady Vet made sure that she was not pregnant before taking her in as Parrot had just had her first season a couple of weeks previously.  I presumed that would be the same with all Vet practices but obviously not.

Good luck with the recovery period   :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 23, 2008, 13:58:15 PM
I think most of the vets round here do.  It's not the ideal scenario but when you look at how many homeless cats/kittens there are and how many ferals, it's the only way  :'(  It's just a shame people don't think of this when they allow their cats to get pregnant and then decide they don't want them  >:(
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 23, 2008, 18:22:27 PM
Cleo is home and she's absolutely fine  :Luv:  :Luv:  Sean said the surgery went well but she was a little cold when she came round so he put her on a heat mat.  As soon as she saw me she jumped up for headbutts telling me everything that nasty Sean had done to her bless her   :Luv2:  Siobhan the other vet has totally fallen in love with her and has for the last couple of days been trying to persuade her hubby to let her have her, she said she is the cutest little thing and when she was fussing her over the weekend, she said she kept squashing her nose under her chin when she was having a cuddle  :Luv2:  :Luv2:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Millys Mum on June 23, 2008, 19:15:30 PM
Glad Cleo is ok  ;D
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: JackSpratt on June 23, 2008, 19:26:32 PM
Piccies!! She sounds lovely. :Luv:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 23, 2008, 21:28:30 PM
glad everything went well.
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on June 23, 2008, 23:20:51 PM
Glad Cleo is ok, she sounds a little sweetie. It was a horrible decision to have to make Dawn but you did what was best for her. These things are never easy and if only people would be responsible we wouldn't have to beat ourselves up so much and have to make these decisions.

She has the chance of a fabulous life now - fingers crossed the vet can persuade her hubby  ;D :Luv2:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: candyshandy on June 23, 2008, 23:26:43 PM
I know how upset this decision has made you but you have found the strength to put this little kitty's life first and foremost.


xxxx
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on June 24, 2008, 00:51:07 AM
I'm feeling a little better about it now, I had a few tears this evening when talking to Candice but she talked some sense into me as always  :hug:  :hug:  I don't regret the decision I made, I know it had to be done but I can't say it didn't get to me  :'(  and I know I have to go through it again on Friday but I'll deal with that as and when  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on June 24, 2008, 04:51:41 AM
Dawn, that's marvelous news! Well done you and well done Cleo... wouldn't it be nice if the vet nurse worked the oracle on hubby!  :Luv2:

I agree - we need piccies.

 :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: madkittyrescue on June 24, 2008, 10:25:07 AM
great news Dawn, so pleased that Cleo is doing well and that you may have a home lined up for her ! ;)  fingers crossed!! lol

I'm very sure that she is quite happy not to be going through it all again and again and now she can get on with being a happy little cat instead of a permanent mummy cat!

Heres hoping the perfect home for her comes along soon and she is happy and living life to the full thanks to you Dawn! :)
Title: Re: PREGNANT CAT - MANCHESTER AREA 9/6/08
Post by: Dawn F on June 24, 2008, 10:33:07 AM
glad Cleo is ok Dawn, would be great if someone from the surgery gave her the home she deserved