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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: Canterbury_cats (Sharon) on June 04, 2008, 13:13:38 PM
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While i was away we have been dealing with MiaMia a 19 month old female Blue point siamese who was a queen from a breeder that has been diagnosed with FIP.. She was due to be PTS until the vets rang us up and we have managed (through lots and lots of hard work) to find her a placement with Siamese Rescue in Bromley.... But we need to assist in getting her there... She is at our vets in Herne Bay and is very depressed at being in a pen and due to her condition is in isolation..
Due to her young age we didnt want to give up on her.
So can anyone help with transport of this lovely puss that deserves a chance...?
Pls not that due to her FIP she cannot be with other cats and the basket that we have would have to be disposed of and all bedding as well. We dont have alot of dealings with the disease but hte breeder has now been struck off the register (she breeds Bengals) and MiaMia kittens that are now 8wks old have just been tested to see if they carry FIP, if they do then we are unsure of their fate. We have no facilities to help her but at least we have been able to find a place for her rather then just let her be PTS like the breeder was suggesting..
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Is it actually FIP she has got or the Corona Virus as there is a difference?
I'll put a plea out to see if anyone can help with the transport :hug:
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Its the Corona Virus as she shows no symtomos of ill health.... I am not up to date with FIP but she isnt unwell just tested positive to it
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I thought it may be. I've put a plea out for transport for you, have to say, stress will have to be kept to an absolute minimum as this can induce the symptoms for FIP and she's at a young age so it's possible. Good luck with her and I hope she's okay :hug:
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I wish this little babe all the luck that the virus does NOT mutate in to FIP.
lots of loving vibes xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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yes we realise that the stress would be an issue, but it was that or PTS..
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hopefully she will be fine Sharon - according to a cp leaflet I picked up 80 to 100% of multicat homes would show corona virus but it would never turn nasty - its the stress and age factors that are the problem so you are right to try and keep things as stress free as possible, can't believe someone would pts a 19 month old for this
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If other cats from the breeder have FIP then all the cats in the household will have titre readings as they have been exposed to the virus. This doesn't mean that they will all die of the virus but their their immune systems are fighting it. her kittens will also show positive readings and will need to be kept isolated until retested when hopefully the titre levels will have gone down. however all cats in contact will normally always have a reading for the rest of their days this doesn't necessarily mean they are infectious or will die of the disease.
the problem with FIP is that there is little more known about it now than a few years ago .A good person to talk to is Diane Addie at Glasgow university.
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If someone could do 1/2 the journey, I would do 1/2 - or at a push all. I would have to find out about how infectious it is. I know the carrier will be left but would the car need to be disinfected somehow before other cats go in it? - the back of my car is felt so not practical to wash
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This is worth reading
http://www.moggies.co.uk/articles/fight_fip.html
I think if she had FIP when she gave birth then the kittens would not have survived to 8 weeks.
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I think if she had FIP when she gave birth then the kittens would not have survived to 8 weeks.
So as not to confuse everyone, this cat does not have FIP but is carrying the Corona Virus.
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The coronavirus can develop into FIP through stress I personally believe that producing kittens is stressful so maybe the outlook is good for her and the babies but as the link i posted explains the coronavirus can develop into FIP at any time and there is no test which will show this happening other than titre levels and by the time the symptoms appear for wet or dry FIP then it is only a matter of days before death.
FIP is only shed through infected faeces.
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Is there anyone on Purrs from Bromley area or CP or rescue...? It would so help if we could do a half way transfer....? We really wish to get her out of the vets and into a more homely environment.
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Mark i always give my shoes a spray with the purple stuff from pets at home that you clean the trays with (name escapes me) when I come back from the cattery, more for enteritis than anything as it is quite long lived
good luck with this little girl sharon sounds like she needs it, glad you hear the breeder has been banned
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FIP is only shed through infected faeces.
Again, I'm not having a go but the Corona Virus is shed through infected faeces not FIP. There is a big difference between the Corona Virus and FIP and when FIP is mentioned, people go into panic mode :shocked:
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I now the difference between the two. But I do panic when I see FIP. Those three little letters killed my Beau.
When it was mentioned for Simba & Coco my heart stopped - thank god they were wrong.
& thank heavens it is the coron virus for this little one - I pray it just stays at that ans she has a fun filled happy loving life xxxxxxx
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Mark i always give my shoes a spray with the purple stuff from pets at home that you clean the trays with (name escapes me) when I come back from the cattery, more for enteritis than anything as it is quite long lived
I have some stuff in my car you water down but haven't used it yet as I always get the vet to spray cages before they go back in my car and ask them to bin towels.
I don't want to sound paranoid but I have to be sure I'm not putting my own cats at any risk, especially having 2 vunerable ones. Is it airborne?, what if she has an accident in the car etc. Excuse my ignorance.
I remind myself of an old commissionaire where I used to work that knew everything about everything (in his mind) and said things like "they tell you you can't get AIDS off a doorknob but they are lying" :tired:
Sorry to sound so paranoid but I need to be certain
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Mark, treat her the same as any other cat. If you read the lit, you will find most cats carry the Corona Virus so it's likely if you've transported others in your car, they too may have had it. The virus is spread via faeces so it won't be a problem, disinfect hands etc after handling, and I'm sure you'll be fine :hug:
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I now the difference between the two. But I do panic when I see FIP. Those three little letters killed my Beau.
That's why it is so annoying when Vets mention FIP, when that is not what they have tested for at all, it can only really be confirmed by post mortem, the test is for corona virus :-[
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its perfectly natural Mark but chances are, as far as i understand it, you've probably already got the virus in the house one way or another
if you were worried about accidents could you put a plastic sheet under the carrier and then just throw it away, I do understand why you are worried, my oh is same which is why I have the shoe spraying ritual! He even came to the vet with me to take her advice on what I would be bringing back with me from the cattery illness wise! Corona wasn't high on her list of priorities I have to say, the main thing is that when it does go bad, it goes really bad and that is why people are so rightly afraid of it
if it was me I'd do it but you must do what is right for you
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I'll help !
Take it whoever brought her up from hearn bay would be coming up on the M2 onto the A2 ?
I dont fancy driving too far down the A2 at the mo as not feeling too good but if someone wants to meet me at Black Prince interchange (theres a hotel there) I'll take the cat the rest of the Journey into Bromley (safes that person coming off the A2...they can just go straight back down it)
Is that any good ?
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good on you Michelle, this poor little thing deserves a break
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Hi Michelle
Will work on someone getting to you as you suggest... What day is good for you..? We were looking at Friday...
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Were we? :-:
Seriously, I could do that but road names and numbers mean nothing to me. I need a street and a street number :evillaugh:
Just wondering if it would stress her out more being transferred? - If that's the case, I would rather take her all the way. Thinking aloud here but me and OH have been thinking about going to Bluewater soon in which case Saturday might be an option. I don't mind doing Friday though.
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Thursday or Friday is ok with me - Afternoon if poss (well after 12)
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its perfectly natural Mark but chances are, as far as i understand it, you've probably already got the virus in the house one way or another
if you were worried about accidents could you put a plastic sheet under the carrier and then just throw it away, I do understand why you are worried, my oh is same which is why I have the shoe spraying ritual! He even came to the vet with me to take her advice on what I would be bringing back with me from the cattery illness wise! Corona wasn't high on her list of priorities I have to say, the main thing is that when it does go bad, it goes really bad and that is why people are so rightly afraid of it
if it was me I'd do it but you must do what is right for you
Thanks Dawn - I could get a decorator's plastic sheet for about £1 to be safe.
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Sorry Mark didnt mean "we" i meant as in the branch... Anyhows, I have no idea of place names either.
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I've just been given a number for a lady who runs I think either cats or animals in crisis and i think she's in Bromley or thereabouts, apparently she knows someone who is after a Siamese so I'm not sure whether this may help in getting her a home. I'll pm you the number Sharon and you can get in touch with her if you want.
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I will change the title of this to avoid any misconceptions about this little one ;D
Ahhhhhh someone beat me to it, thanks ;D
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Michelle, if your offer still stands, can you arrange to meet the lady at Siamese rescue. I will see if I can get an address for where you suggested to meet. If you can't do it, I will speak to her. Thanks :hug:
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Mark caroline is dropping of a basket at Ah today for you..
Mrs Brigid Oakley Tel:020 8464 8857
Call anytime(within reason please!) Kent, London & Surrey
Thisis the number and Brigid offered to met someone that was good for all.
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I just spoke to Brigid and it seems easier all round if I take her straight there - hope Michelle doesn't think we are snubbing her kind offer :scared:
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Not at all Mark - Been given really strong tablets by Dr that are going to knock me out anyway so i wouldnt have been able to help tomorrow now...I feel bad though, I AM REALLY SORRY TO HAVE LET YOU ALL DOWN x
I have got an amazing story to tell though but i cant face writing it out at the mo....it will keep.
Good luck with this little one - well done to everyone involved - xxxx
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Michelle you tease
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Anyway, I'm all geared up to do this run tomorrow. Including going to the vets, I think it's around 120 miles round trip :Crazy:
The vet is in the opposite direction to where I am going.
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Sharon if you have any way of making contact re the kittens, they shouldnt be pts on on one titre reading. They need to be given time, looked after with 5* hygiene standards and then retested. The titres can drop, if they dont then they are at higher risk.
Hope the drive goes smoothly mark.
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I have already spoken to the vets and SR about the kittens, we can only do something if she decides to hand over to rescue or she may just sell on if they are fine.. The test results are another 10 days or so and then retesting..
Mum was spayed today...
Mark good luck with this all tomorrow, dont forget vac cert and thanks for doing this your a star!
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I have got an amazing story to tell though but i cant face writing it out at the mo....it will keep.
Have posted it on General Cat -
It has really lifted my spirits...you must have a read xx
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hope you go on ok Mark, hope the babies end up in good homes too
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She is safely at the Siamese rescue with Brigid now :Luv2:
Sorry but I forgot to take photos - she is a beautiful lilac point. Underweight. Brigid said she was the size of an 8 month old - she is skin & bone. I know they are sleek cats but she really is underweight. Anyway, she is with the right person to get her better. Brigid is confident that she will be rehomed :Luv2:
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Sharon just sent me a photo that Sally took yesterday :Luv2:
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn224/MarkB_014/maimai.jpg)
Here eyes are beautiful - it's a shame you can'r see them :evillaugh:
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Compared to Amelia and Azura, she looks to be in fab condition :Luv: :Luv:
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Aw she is beautiful! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Compared to Amelia and Azura, she looks to be in fab condition :Luv: :Luv:
I think her condition is good (Apart from the obvious) but the lady said she is tiny and skinny for 19 months. She has plenty of welly left in her - she told me off for 1 1/2 hours in the car :evillaugh:
Fingers crossed for her kittens. The lady at Siamese rescue said she will take them if they test positive :Luv2:
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Thats what i lvoe about siamese, its when they are not noisey that you know something is up! She looks like my Lizzy i had a few years back..will be updated bySR on her progress.
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I rang to the vets just now to let them know that SR would take the kittens if they tested positive. The vet said the results came back yesterday and they are NEGATIVE ;D
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That's great news for the kittens and maybe indicates the mum will loose her readings too when retested.
Has the breeder handed these kittens over to rescue? -now they are negative she can sell them -i believe someone said the GCCf have struck her off but she will simply sell them unregistered as most 'breeders' seem to now and they often end up as kitten machines.
Best if kittens could be got out of the breeders house in case of reinfection/infection but there may be a fight to get them?
Poor mum looks like she still has milk too-hopefully will dry up no probs now kittens are away.
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I don't know what the future hold for them but I'm sure she will make some money out of them if she can.
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Are the kittens still with the breeder?
If she has been struck off GCCF then she must have either had a cat postmortemed to be sure it died of FIP and then informed them-which seems honest but probably unlikely or a kitten she sold has died of it and the disease traced back to her -or she was struck off for some other reason???
I just feel that this is sad for these babies and their future is not looking good.
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I know a little about this story, Tagalong. I gather the breeder imported 4 breeding adults from the US and 2 of these have subsequently died. A post mortum was carried out and FIP was found to the the cause of death. Until the result of that, no one suspected these cats to have the Corona Virus. Maybe the vet notified the authorities? In any case, her vet is our vet and he has taken this case very seriously. That's as much as I know. :(
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A vet that takes the condition seriously, lets hope he can have some input towards the kittens.
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Thanks -that now all makes sense.
Yes let's hope the vet can use his powers of persuasion to help out with these kittens.
Obviously unless anyone knows this breeder it's not fair to comment on whether or not she will home these kittens responsibly.
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Sharon will need to update title - but she had an email from Brigid at Siamese cat rescue - MiaMia (pronounced MiMi) has been retested and is CLEAR OF CORONAVIRUS ;D
She will shortly be ready for rehoming. She said that 6 months is a long time for a cat to be in quarantine but MiaMia has such a lovely temperament that she managed OK. She said whoever rehomes her will be a very lucky person - :Luv2: ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Great news, shows with good hygiene it can be eradicated ;D
Fingers crossed shes rehomed soon
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What wonderful news ... I'm so happy she is fitting fit and ready to go to a forever home. She sounds delightful xx
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great news after all that she's been through :)
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Wonderful news.
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great news!