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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Felix (Caroline) on April 15, 2008, 09:19:04 AM
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Things are still bad with Simba, went the vets with him last week because there was more blood in his poo's, he was given an inflamatry tab (spelt wrong I know) which should last for 4 weeks but he is going the toilet everywhere he can in the house and it is getting out of control,and all the kids are moaning which I can't blame them,went jollies yesterday and got some spray to stop him going in certain places but he still finds somewhere else to do it. Michael my son and his girlfriend are saying well the baby isn't coming here when we have it with all this going on and it is really upsetting me.We are spending a fortune at the vets and now we have no money to pay for their boosters at the end of the month which is gonna come to about £200 for all five of them.I don't no why he is not going outside in his cat litter tray (WE HAVE 3 OF THEM) and hubby won't let me bring a cat litter tray in the house.Sky is trying to have her wee' in the house too,it has been going on for ages now even when his stomach isn't to bad.It is causing loads of rows in the home and making me feel really down. any help would be great. Thanks Caroline xx ps also Sabre is still going mad to go out :'(
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Sorry to hear that Simba is still not well, when we had the same problem the only thing that really sorted them out was feeding raw meat and the Lacto B, they are now on Orijen dry and felix pouches with raw every other day, we have never had the soiling in inappropriate places though, and Im glad to say that they are both "solid" now. It sounds as if they are a bit unsettled for some reason.
It may be worth you taking out some pet insurance for peace of mind in the future. I hope it all gets sorted soon
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Thanks very much for your advice Sheryl, hubby has looked for cat insurance but recond with all the cats it would work out dearer than just having to go the vets when he wasn't well,because you have to pay so much money back each time when you claim and that would be dearer than each vet visit,s we can't win. :'(
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Tilly had bengal bottom when she was little but luckily grew out of it. they aren't the easiest of cats, Tilly ruined our bed the first time we went away, a poo for every day! unfortunately they are very sensitive maybe they can tell you aren't very happy - no proper advice sorry but hope it gets sorted
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Thanks Dawn xx
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Sometimes even when cats are mainly outdoor cats they still prefer to toilet inside. Maybe the garden is still a "Scary" place for them and they just feel safer inside, especially if they aren't feeling too well at the mo :(
Can you not convince your hubby to have some trays indoors? surely a few trays in a back room or a not-very-often-used part of the house for trays is better than them pooing/weeing anywhere inside the house?
If they have the opportunity to toilet inside then this may make them feel less stressed and given the choice they then may decide to toilet outdoors instead of all over the house.
There are lots of people on this forum who know a lot more than me on this subject, personally my cats are indoor (they have FIV) and usually the tray only needs cleaning twice a day (its done as soon as its used) and you can also buy some hooded trays that dont even look like trays; they look like an attractive piece of furniture! Having trays indoors also means that you can spot any changes.
sorry to blah blah and I hope the kitties start feeling better soon :hug:
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Thanks Mojo, but we have a great big run in our garden with their own toilet house with a cat litter tray for each of them, with Sky I think she is just lazy, Sabre goes out all the time to use the litter tray,and they can come and go in the run all day and night if they want to, I have put a lot of pictures up of the run in the past. Caroline xx
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Aaaaaaaaah I seeeeeeeee :shy:
Sorry to preach Caroline, good luck with the kitties, hope Simba is better soon :Luv2:
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Thats ok Mojo, I value anybody's replies,
Thanks for yours and thanks for your get well wishes :Luv:
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I am afraid I have to agree with Mojo and you need litter trays in the house.
I suspect he is trying to tell you this and that he doesnt want to have to keep rushing out into the cold, run or not, and the only way you are going to resolve this is to get some trays in the house.
You need one for each cat plus one until things settle and then you get rid of ones not used , except ypu always keep one.
Simba maybe suffering with stress which would likely be caused by having no tray in the house and presumably either getting in trouble for what he is doing , or just pisking up from everyone the bad vibes. Cats can tell you are stressed even before you know you are. I think right now all of your household is stressed and that will affect Simba and the others.
Insurance is never more expensive than the vets if you have a sick cat who is racking up vet bills and of course that is exactly what insurance is for, insuring for the bad times.
I would never ever not have insurance for my 4 cos as they get older thats when they start to need the vets and its no good waiting until they have a problem cos then no insurance company will take them on for the problem, you must be insured first.
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Have the vets tested his urine to make sure he doesn't have an infection? What are you feeding him on? I dont blame him for not wanting to go out to toilet in the rain, we had hailstone and heavy rain yesterday. While insurance might seem more expensive than vets at the moment, that might change if they get older.
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Thanks Gill for your reply,will get another tray for the house,
No Desley he hasn't been tested for an urine infection,he is on chicken highlife and nm,he won't even eat any dry food ever and some have things in to help his stomach,so I've been told. :(
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NM really made my Bengals bad tummy wise, have you tried the Orijen biscuits? Try buying some really good quality minced lamb (i buy organic) feed him just the raw for 24 hours and see how he goes. It worked for my Bengals.
I would say that you definately need a tray indoors.
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I used Royal Canin sensible 33 with Tilly
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i am surprised that the vet hasn't asked for a urine sample, and I would urge to get a tray in the house.
Dawn, that sounds quite dangerous advice, mince isn't complete, so giving that for a full 24 hours means they will lack in nutrients. Also, using mince for raw doesn't give most of hte benefits, such as helping their teeth, as there are no chunks to chew.
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huh??
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I think Desley's comment was intended for Sheryl Dawn ;)
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its only for 24hrs Desley, the raw they are on at other times is deep frozen and has everything in it ie bones and so on :sick: so it is complete.
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Rang the vets up before gonna have a word with our vet he will ring me when he gets in, he hasn't eaten or drank anything today just sleeping :'(
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OOps, sorry Dawn.
Sheryl, the problem is someone else could read your advice and think it is OK to feed a cat raw mince for 24 hours - it isn't complete, and if a cat isn't used to raw food, they are likely to bring it back up again. Bland food is better.
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Sorry, didnt mean to mislead anyone.
I hope that Simba is feeling better soon. xxx
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:thanks: Going to pick up a ten day course of antibiotics in the morning,been giving Simba a lil bit of water through a syringe thing which I got some down him, and he did have a lil bit of nm food before, will ring him again in a week to let him know how he is getting on. :Luv:
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Good luck
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:thanks: Gave him a tab this morning, then he had a lil bit of food 10 mins later he was sick :'( rang the vets again they said not to give him another one till tomorrow morning and see how it goes,if the same thing happens will have to maybe give him different antibiotics. Simba is on my shoulder now as I am typing purring but still meowing for comfort,which I am giving him (poor baby) xxx
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Aw bless him..... :ahh:
Sending healing vibes his way~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou Bazsmum xx
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poor simba hope he is better soon
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:thanks: Dawn xx
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Gave him a tab this morning and he was sick nearly 20 mins later, clear brownish liquid. Rang the vets at 8'0clock and again at ten still waiting for them to ring back, was told they are so busy this morning and will ring as soon as poss. Simba hasn't eaten today, but was trying to get at Corky's beef food, but he not allowed anything apart from chicken flavours.The vet told me the night before last that that does happen with food they shouldn't eat,they will crave it all the time even though they can't have it as it will do them no good.He has seen it in Horses to when they have been poisened by a certain thing,they will go and try and eat it again. :Crazy:
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Sounds like antibiotics may not agree with him.......have you heard from the vets?
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Finally rang after 4oclock, have to ring the vet up at lunch time tomorrow to tell him how he is, so I can't give Simba another tab till after that or maybe he will have it in injection form, the vet said that sometimes they don't like the taste of the tab and will bring it back up. But Iam worried about his weight aswell and he seems so skinny compared to our other ones.But he has alway been small. The vet also said that so many breeded cats seem to suffer with I B D and in Humans it is a faulty gene,but moggy's don't seem to suffer from it (hardley ever) moggy's are more immune to it.xx
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Sorry what is I B D?
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Hello Caroline just caught up with this thread tonight. How is the toileting problems with Simba now? you have received very good advice so far, the only thing that I can see that is not mentioned is that in the areas where your cats usually pooh or pee for that matter, place a saucer of biscuits because they will not toilet close to food.
Take a look at these litter boxes
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=hooded+litter+tray
I hope that the arguments have ceased and family have come round a bit. Believe me I know what it is like when there is an atmosphere in the house - not nice.
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Hi Caroline
Just caught up with this thread so ive not got all the background. Apologies if i am going over old ground.
Dietary problems are a common cause of vomiting whether they are primary (over eating, gorging, too rich, too fatty food) or secondary to some other cause of vomiting (such as a gastric infection).
As you will be aware bengals have pretty delicate stomachs. I would suggest a low fat, easily digested, medium protein diet fed in several small portions over the day. Ive found Hills Feline i/d Diet and Eukanuba cat intestinal food to be very effective.
Sounds like your GP may think there is some sort of gastric infection of the tum given he is treating with antibiotics........id be asking whether its possible to give the antibiotic via injection or even if there is a liquid alternative (my bengals seems to react better to this).
Can I ask a few questions? You mention that there is blood in the stools - what are the actual stools like? Normal, runny? Does Simba have a bloated tum or any gassiness? How long has Simba not been right? Has the vet done any stool samples given the blood or any other tests? How much weight has Simba lost? Again apologies if this is covered elsewhere.
I would like others plead with you to put a litter tray in the house for Simba ........... stressing him out at this time will not help.
Im here if you need any advice/someone to chat to xxx
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Hi Caroline, i just caught up with this tread tonight, i do hope Simba gets better soon. :hug:
You mentioned IBD, is this inflammatory bowel disease? IF it is then my cat Boy was diagnose with this after tests done in RVC , he is a moggy ,any how they told me IBD is an overpopulation of the gut with white blood cells that in part are stimulated to be there by an allergic to the food passing through and they instructed me to give him Hill's D/D Venison tinned diet and nothing else, not even treats , they said with this diet its unlikely that hewill have developed any kind of hypersensivity to it and it limiting the inflammatory reaction in his intestines.
I appologise if that is not the case for Simba, but when i saw IBD, i thought it might help him if you try Hill's D/D Venison diet. :hug: :hug:
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Gill I B D is inflammatory bowel disease,as Pappilon has described.
Yvonne Simba has stopped going the toilet in the house now,and is using his litter tray that is in their own private made toilet house which is in the cat run. They do have a litter tray each. I will have a look at the website you sent me,the rows with everyone has stopped now,from our Michael,he and his girlfriend are renting private and he will be moving out in a week or two.Then we will only have 3 sons living at home our Den moved out at xmas time to get a place with his girlfriend too.
Linda thanks for your advice,his stools were runny,but he hasn't been in the last couple of days,he had an antibiotic injection this morning which should last for a couple of weeks,then will take him the vets again,Have to ring the vet on Thurs to let him no how Simba is. Simba does have gassiness and was a bit bloated,his weight was the same as a few weeks ago,but still seems to thin,Simba has been suffering from this on and of since we got him last April,but over xmas he seemed to be ok for a few months.He hasn't had any stool testing but has had blood tested in the past.Which he was low in his white blood cells. Thanks for your offer for any advice :thanks:
Thanks Pappilon, I have been asking the vet about changing his food, but he told me to wait untill he was better, I will ask the vet about the food you have just mentioned. Thanks to everyone for all your help :thanks:
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Do you think I should put him on the kitten food I buy to build him up abit?
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Caroline, if you want to try the D/D Venison tinned diet for Simba, pm me you address and i will send you few to try , i was told is best to add some warm water from boiling the kettle not tap water to the food and it might help. If Simba likes it and your vet agrees it might help cos of IBD. :hug:
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I would be a bit reluctant to try him on kitten food in case it flares up - best thing would be to ask the vets advice.
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kitten food will probably be too rich for him Caroline, when my 2 benglas had tummy problems it was difficult because boiled chicken was always recommended but it always made them worse. I think if it was one of mine I would be asking the vets to do more tests to try and get to the bottom of the problem, it cant be good for his system being on so many antibiotics all the time.
Get better soon Simba xxx
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Have you tried either Hills i/d or RC sensitivity foods as they are designed for tummy problems? both companies will take food back (if you get it from the vets) if he doesn't like it. My Max was also put on venison D/D for vomiting but he didn't much care for it. It's quite different from most cat foods in smell and (I think: haven't personally sampled it!) taste. Has the vet given you any Diarsanyl paste as that works to settle tums as well.
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:thanks: very much guys for all your help :Luv: I am going to ring the vet this morning, so I will as k him, Simba is still very quiet and just sleeping most of the time, he has gone of his normal food totally, thats why I brought some perfit fit kitten wet food yesterday and mixed it with his food and he gulped it down. :'(
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Rang the vets but he isn't in till 2.pm and then he might have to go straight into surgery,so he will ring me as soon as he can. Will let you know what he says then.xx
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The vet finally rang me about 8.45pm he said that Simba should be fine on the kitten food to help build him up as long as it doesn't give him the runs.And he should be ok up untill the age of about 3 years old.I asked him about the D/D food he said it is very good but very expensive,but he also knows of cats that have been on it all the time and still suffer with bad tummy's. I will see how he goes on the kitten food to try and build him up .xxx
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Good luck
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Here's hoping that the kitten food settles his tum! :wish:
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oh caroline, hope this gets sorted, I know when tilly had her bengal tum it was pretty hard work
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Thanks guys, he just wants to gulp it down so fast everytime he see's it but he can't have to much as once, but you would think that I never feed him the way he is eating it.xx (he won't let the others go near it)
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Got the samples Pappilon :thanks: will give him some later :Luv:
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Hi Caroline
Hopefully the vet will get to the bottom of whats going on with Simba soon x
Whilst you are waiting id try not to continually change what hes eating (not suggesting that you are), best to leave him on whatever you feed for a few days to see how he does before switching to something else that way you can work out what is not agreeing with him. Although he probably does look like he needs built up beware of any foods with high protein content, my experience is that depending on whats wrong, this can upset the tummy more. Id settle for something of medium protein and that is sensitive to the tummy, i might even try liquidising his food a little to aid digestion. He will build up far quicker on something that settles his tummy than a high protein one which causes further upset.
I really do hope you can get this sorted soon. Big hugs to you and yours :hug:
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Thanks Linda, the food that he is usually on, he has turned his nose up on them,thats why I thought of kitten food as he needs high protein (as the vet has told me) his tummy problems has seemed to of settled now, tried the d/d food which pappilon sent me and he gulp it down, the others cats were trying to get at it to but Simba wouldn't let them have any anyway.he pooed in the kitchen floor earlier but it was firm, (which is good) so he still must be feeling down but that is prob cos the antibiotics still in his system.Gonna have to see how much this d/d venision food is. Does anyone know where the cheapest place is to order it from if I need to keep him on it. Thanks Caroline xx
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you can get prescription foods from VetUK - if you do go through them, please use one of the rescue links on here (fraid I have no idea where they are though!!), as we can get 5% commission. We ordered the RC Sensitivity this week, and it arrived the day after.
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Thanks Linda, the food that he is usually on, he has turned his nose up on them,thats why I thought of kitten food as he needs high protein (as the vet has told me) his tummy problems has seemed to of settled now, tried the d/d food which pappilon sent me and he gulp it down, the others cats were trying to get at it to but Simba wouldn't let them have any anyway.he pooed in the kitchen floor earlier but it was firm, (which is good) so he still must be feeling down but that is prob cos the antibiotics still in his system.Gonna have to see how much this d/d venision food is. Does anyone know where the cheapest place is to order it from if I need to keep him on it. Thanks Caroline xx
No problem Caroline. Glad to hear that his tummy seems to have settled. Did you bring a litter tray indoors?
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you can get prescription foods from VetUK - if you do go through them, please use one of the rescue links on here (fraid I have no idea where they are though!!), as we can get 5% commission. We ordered the RC Sensitivity this week, and it arrived the day after.
If you go into "links" in the top blue and white tabs....and scroll down you will see top 5 links....1 of them is for Vetuk! ;)
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Ok thanks guys, yes have a litter tray in he house aswell now Linda xx
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Just looked at the prices of the d/d hills food, just won't be able to afford them at that price. will have another talk with the vet next week and see what he recomends at a prie we can afford.x
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Simba is still a sleep day+night he only moves to go the toilet and to have a bit of food,he seems to have gone of the kitten food as well now too :( noticed this morning that his left eye is starting to close a bit. He seems to be taking a much longer time to get better this time,have to take him vets again on tuesday. :'(
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Poor Simba and poor you. Hope the vets can help.
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Thanks Jackspratt xx
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Sorry that Simba is not getting better, he sounds to me like a very poorly cat, is there any chance that you can get him to the vets before Tuesday, he could deteriorate in 4 days. I think its time that the vets run some tests etc to find out exactly what is wrong with him, this has been going on for so long now - poor wee man.
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yep gonna give the vets a ring and see if I can talk to one of the main vets we are under xx
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Rang the vets but he is operating at the mo,so will have to wait till he rings me back :(
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Have any of you noticed a weird smell when they have been the toilet wee's+poo's when they have had a antibiotic injection, or could it be because he is not well. :(
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Our Bengal Poos always smell Bad :sick: :sick: but havnt noticed the wee smelling unusal, even when they were on antibiotics. TBH Caroline I would ask your vet if there is an alternative treatment to all the antibiotics, is Simba drinking plenty? did you try any raw meat?
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He had an injection so that will last another fews days or more,you never see simba drinking water but he must do otherwise he would die of thirst.Thevet advised me in the past not to give them raw meat, but I will ask him in a couple of hours because we are going the vets again.
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Sending healing vibes for Simba~~~~~~~and :hug: to you both! :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou so much! xxx
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Our vet nearly had a fit when I said the Bengals are on raw meat :rofl: In the end I took the advice of our Breeder and have never looked back.
Get better soon Simba xxx
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Thanks Sheryl :Luv:
Does anyone think of somethings I can ask him! Have wrote some things down to ask like.
Using warm water in his food
What food he recomends
Using high meat content food or low protein foods
Eating raw food
Having some test done.xxx
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What I would do Caroline is write down all his symptoms not matter how trivial they seem to you, if it was one of my cats I would tell the vet that I really need to know what is wrong with him.
Good Luck Hun xx
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Thanks Sheryl xx
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Does anyone think of somethings I can ask him! Have wrote some things down to ask like.
Eating raw food
Caroline you might want to print out info from this site about rawfeeding and show your vet http://catinfo.org/ - its written by a vet.
Good luck at the vets. :hug:
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Ok thanks xx
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Had to write the wesite down to show him,printer is playing up. Got to go now so will let you know when I come back what he says xx
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Caroline, just a thought - has he been tested for coccidia & giardia - if not ask if your vet can test for these.
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Good luck at the Vet
Please keep us informed as to Simba's progress
Sending :hug: to you and to Simba
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Just come back from the vets am still in shock,after having a long talk about all the questions I was asking him,the vet examined him and said that he didn't think that why we have comwas anything to do with his I B D. He has lost some more weight only 3.1 k now. He was also worried about his eye and one of his kidneys is enlarged. :( So he took some blood to test him for Felv Fiv and Fip. Even though he had the felv vaccine.Will have to wait a week for the results when we have to go back again with him.He told me just to feed him on Tuna in sunflower oil (because at least he will eat that) he doesn't feel like eating anything else.Then after about a week mix the tuna with some James wellbeing biscuits even though he doesn't eat biscuits,but will have to mash them up.Now I am so worried about the other cats incase they pick something up.But maybe then it could be something different altogether.Please send lots of lov to Simba for he has never had any goodluck yet. Caroline xx PS couldn't hold my tears in at the vets.xx
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oh caroline what a shock - not to sure about felv but he isn't a usual profile for fiv is he, he doesn't fight or anything - is the vet testing for fip or coronavirus? :hug: :hug:
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Sending you and Simba loads of positive vibes~~~~~~~~ :ahh:
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Don't know Dawn he just said fip x
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:thanks: Bazsmum x
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there are people on here who've experienced fip and will be able to help you better than I can :hug:
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:thanks: xx
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Oh Caroline Hun what a shock for you, stay positive for Simba and hopefully the blood tests will show a treatable condition.
:hug: for you and sending Simba loads of love and positive vibes xxx
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:thanks: so much Sheryl, all sorts of things are running through my head now :(
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Sorry to hear simba is still poorly :hug:
Your vet will be checking his coronavirus titre level (which btw if it is high doesnt mean he has FIP) Has he had any stool samples taken? Campylobacter has a funny smell and in humans you feel really rotten with it. Giardia has already been mentioned but theres other bugs such as salmonella that he could have.
You can pick up a sample pot from the vets without a consultation ;D
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Nope he hasn't had any stools samples taken,but the vet was very worried about his eye and enlarged kidney, he is also going to be tested for fiv and felv Milly's Mum x
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I personally would be getting a second opinion, I dont like your vets feeding advice - tuna doesn't contain enough taurine and can cause steatitis, or yellow liver disease, if fed too long and as an only food. And adding a food that he doesnt eat doesn't sound good either.
Good luck with the test results.
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Think the vet has said it is ok for the tuna in the sunflower oil (not brine)because he won't eat anything else and he needs something to eat,and with him being fed on it from the breeder but she gave the brine one witch is full of salt and no good for him.The tuna is only short term then I've got to start mixing it with biscuits.(to get his weight back up)With the ibd he said he has prop grown ok with the tuna as what you have at such an early age will always stay with you so it shouldn't effect him. :thanks: for your advice Desley x
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What about liquivite, Caroline? When LJ (my diabetic cat) had low blood sugar and was too lethargic to eat properly we gave him that stuff and he liked it quite a lot.
It's a complete food - not ideal for a long term solution but good for building up a cats strength.
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:thanks: Jackspratt will have to ask the vet about it, where did you get it from xx
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I just can't understand a vet advising that only for a full week, rather than trying him on something like chicken. Would he eat something like HiLife Tuna, which at least has added things in it to make it complete? Liquivite is available from the vets, but I have never had any luck getting cats to eat it, so I use Hills a/d instead (again, available from the vets).
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Caroline, I really think you need to get a second opinion Hun, this has gone o for so long and i cant believe that a stool sample hasnt been tested.
I hope that Simba is feeling a bit better today xxx
PM me anytime if you want a chat xxx
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Caroline, I really think you need to get a second opinion Hun, this has gone o for so long and i cant believe that a stool sample hasnt been tested.
I agree. No point going for more expensive investigations if theres a simple bacteria thats needs treating :hug:
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I'm so sorry Caroline. What a long wait for the tests to come back too. I really feel for you, and Simba. My vet was happier for me to try sardines or pilchards in tomato sauce (they are allowed the sauce too if they like it) to get them eating, as he prefers it to tuna. However of course if tuna's all he'll eat, it's difficult. You can get those little ring-pull tins of the sardines from most corner shops. HTH. Really wish you the best x
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:thanks: So much Sheryl :Luv:
Milly's mum I will ask the vet when we see him why he hasn't done a stool sample test yet :Luv:
Swampmaxmum I have a tin of sardines in tomato sauce will try him later and see if he likes it :Luv:
Simba is still sleeping at the moment,he did come out in the cat run before, just for five mins,he was trying to drink water from the toilet before which I have never noticed him doing before so I gave him so more fresh water but he kept messing with it with his paws.He is not usually one for drinking water because you never see him drinking it! but its prob got something to do with the enlarged kidney I'm thinking xx
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Hope Simba is feeling better
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Still the same have been giving him some cooked chicken aswell he seems to like that just a much as the tunaxx