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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Desley (booktigger) on April 12, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
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Here is the background, and we have just got back from the vets - her blood results show that she has kidney failure. It isn't the worst they have seen (I will post results later), but i will just be providing short term palliative care, as she isn't truly happy here, but she is eating well, so while she is eating, and no signs of vomiting, and looking perky, so she will be spoilt.
I hate being right at times, and am annoyed with her owners, they thought she was perfectly healthy, and if they had had her tested (or I had thought to get them to do it), she wouldnt have had to go through the stress of being moved, and put up with not being happy, and could have gone with people that she knew and loved.
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Oh no poor Rosie.....you did suspect though Des! :(
When you say short term palliative care does that mean she will be going elsewhere afterwards or does that mean "gulp"? :hug: :hug: :hug:
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i know, I have amended due to that.
Sadly, it means 'gulp' Ruth, even if we had somewhere that didn't have other cats, the stress of another move could tip her over.
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:'( :'( :'( This is so sad! :hug: :hug: :hug: and please give Rosie a big :hug: too! :(
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It is, but she is showing an interest in food, and perky, so it coud be a lot worse. I will do. I hope we get some decent weather, so I can take her outside from some fresh air.
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Oh I am so sorry I hope she gets some time I know you will care for her Des. :hug:
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Thanks C, I hope so too.
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Oh no poor Rosie :( Does she need to have special diet ?
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Big :care: to Rosie and to you as well Desley :hug:
Dee x
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I am so sorry to hear this, Desley, and can really understand your frustration over the lack of tests previously. Well, you will make the best of things for Rosie, we all know that :hug:
Give her an ear tug (or whatever she likes most) from me.
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Ruth, I gave her a hug and a kiss from you.
Pav, I am not going to go down that route, as I dont feel buying her time is in her interests, so i would prefer to spoil her with nice yummy food.
Thanks C, i will spoil her, and fortunately, she does seem happy in the bathroom!! there is a chance that if she had had bloods done before moving they would have just shown her to be the high end of normal, and it is the move that has brought it on, as her levels aren't tremendously bad, the vet nurse has seen a lot worse. Or, they might not have known about the possibility of kidney issues, she could have been doing a lot of her drinking outside, and she didn't toilet in the house, so they would never have noticed the excessive weeing either.
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Has the vet precribed Fortekor?. I may buy time but it buys quality time. Clapton went from Miserable with little or no appetite to a healthy cat who enjoys his food and snoozes. AFAIK, he isn't uncomfortable at all.
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The vets were busy today, so I have to ring this week if I want to speak to a vet, but I am not going to go down that route - not only because she hated the antibiotics she was given, but mainly because she isn't happy here with the other cats, so I dont feel buying her time is the right thing to do for her. And she has a really good appetite at the moment, so that side isn't a concern, her only symptom at the moment is drinking.
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Fuss to Rosie and hugs to you Desley. You do an amazing job.
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Thanks.
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Sorry to hear about poor Rosie. In this situation and you will not agree with me but I would find her a home where she is on her own. It's a risk you would have to take with her health being what it is, but if she isn't happy with you and you are not going to give her treatment, I think this would be the kindest thing for her. New owners may be prepared to try her on Fortekor as Mark has suggested and she will have the added bonus that she may be happy elsewhere, which in itself can prolong her life. I think you owe it to her to give her a chance and to improve her quality of life however long she has. I'm not having a go at you but her mental well being is just as important as her general health.
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Sorry Desley but I agree with Dawn 100%.
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It was actually the vet nurse who recommended not rehoming her, as I did ask their advice, and I will be speaking to my vet this week. i had thought of the stress on her, as she hasn't tolerated the move here all that well, as it could make her existing kidney issues worse, but the vet nurse said that it wasn't fair on a new owner. Fortekor might not be an option as she hated 3 days worth of antibiotics. The other thing I had to think of was the fact she was already on the rehoming page (only taken off yesterday), and had been for a while with no interest, we have a number of cats in who need to be only cats, and are struggling, as the majority of people who contact us have another cat, if cats years younger than her have been waiting a lot longer, what chance do we have?
One other thing is that if I had gotten this diagnosis yesterday for Molly, I would be doing pretty much the same, the only thing I could do wiht Molly is try the food, but fluids and meds would be a no go for Molly as well. The main difference is that Molly is happy here, whereas Rosie isn't, so the decision is being made for her, if we can't rehome her, and she isn't happy here, I am not buying her time for the right reasons. She does only have one symptom at the moment, which is her saving grace.
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I have to agree with Des here! Sorry DD and Ela! :P ;)
She may actually prefer the bathroom as apart from not liking the other cats it is her way of "getting under the bed" as they do when cats are ill!
Ive read so many times on this site about our babes that put up a fight to get their meds down....that in itself can lead to depression....
I really dont think moving her at this stage would bring any benefit only added stress as she is a shy girl!
Dont get me wrong if things are/were caught early enough then yes by all means find her a different home!
My Gnarla (RIP) was 15 and the wrong side of cancer when we met.....she was deaf and deplored the other cats in my house....but boy did she have grace! ;)
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When we have cats like this we make a special appeal. Some people like to take on a challenge cat and care for a little one in its twilight years. Off course we would always pay vet fees. Even if a cat did not like taking medication it would be no reason for us not to give it and ensure that little one had every chance. I know loads pf people who manage even the 'they who must be obeyed type of cats' without a fight.
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Thanks for the support Ruth, it hasn't been an easy week with suspecting this and then getting the confirmation. Apart from the fact I can't get her to leave the bathroom, she does seem quite content in there, and as you know, I had doubts about rehoming her before this diagnosis as she had struggled with the move - she had been with her owners from a kitten, poor baby. If the vet recommends prescription food tomorrow when I speak to her, it will be done.
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I have to agree with Des here! Sorry DD and Ela
You don't have to apologise. we are all very different and do things differently. I just like to know that I have done everything possible to ensure a long, quality life and explore and try every avenue before I give up. We take in a number of cats with CRF each year, some we are told have a very limited amount of time left, we get them on medication and most go on to have a quality longer than expected life. Each cat is an individual and there can be no set life-span for a cat in CRF. It depends on how well the cat responds to treatment and treatment varies with each cat.
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Its very difficult but perhaps it would be a good idea to advertise for an experienced local home where she may respond well to some one to one attention with no other cats to unsettle her. You may never get an enquiry but you never know....
In the meantime I would definitely give the diet food a go as a minimum.
I've just picked up Fabes and he is now on the RC renal food and apparently loves it :-:
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I've just picked up Fabes and he is now on the RC renal food and apparently loves it
You are lucky we get and hear about so many cats who do not like the 'special food'
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It sounds like Rosie hasn't handled the move well because she doesn't like other cats which will also be detrimental on her health. I will be hated for saying this but if she can't be rehomed, maybe it's kinder to have her put her sleep and put out of her misery. What is the point in waiting for her to get to that point if she's miserable anyway, I really can't see the sense in it. I know a life is a life but at what cost :shy: But I would still try finding her a home, maybe a special appeal like Ela has suggested, you really don't know how she's going to react until you give it a whirl. I've had cats in that have have not liked other cats, and on rehoming them, they have thrived and the difference is virtually immediate.
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That is the daft part Dawn, she has lived with other cats for the past 18 months. She is different to how her owners described her though. so I do wonder. AT the moment, she isn't miserable, she is eating well, and enjoying sitting on my knee having fusses, we had a lovely hour before with her sleeping on my knee and being groomed. I have just been reading the feline crf site, and 2 of her high values might indicate other things as well as kidneys, her cholesterol and globulin are also high, and I also need to ask if her liver values were near the high end of normal before i make any decision.
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That is the daft part Dawn, she has lived with other cats for the past 18 months.
That still doesn't mean she will like them. Holly I'd had for approx 3 years, she came in with Cleo but from day one it was obvious she did not like other cats. She always tolerated them and appeared happy, but I rehomed her a couple of months ago and the difference in her is fantastic. She was chilled out from the start and yet I thought because she had been with me so long, she wouldn't handle it well, it's amazing what difference the right environment makes. I really hope you can sort something out for this little girl, and by that I mean getting her into a cat free environment.
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Ive read so many times on this site about our babes that put up a fight to get their meds down....that in itself can lead to depression....
I really dont think moving her at this stage would bring any benefit only added stress as she is a shy girl!
If she can't be medicated, that is totally different. I have that problem with some of my ferals, if they ever got seriously ill and I couldn't get meds into them, Sean would advise pts and I hate to say but I would agree with him. I couldn't sit there and watch a cat get worse and worse, and then think I was doing my best for them, sometimes for the sake of their well being, a decision has to be made. If they have a decent quality of life and it's a case of waiting until that diminishes fair enough, but with any animal welfare, emotional well being comes into play as well.
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As for not liking meds. Clapton hates meds and fights if I try to give them manually. I have found after a long struggle that the only way to administer is wrapped in chicken skin so he doesn't notice. I buy chicken thighs & drumsticks and he gets 1/2 every day. I freeze the extra ones and defrost them. It's a pain but it's what I need to do to keep him healthy. I do agree that if there isn't someone prepared to offer the best possible chance, it would probably be kinder to PTS now instead of a slow decline and months of increasing sickness and discomfort :(
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Can I ask how far advanced is stage 3? :-:
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That is the daft part Dawn, she has lived with other cats for the past 18 months. She is different to how her owners described her though. so I do wonder. AT the moment, she isn't miserable, she is eating well, and enjoying sitting on my knee having fusses, we had a lovely hour before with her sleeping on my knee and being groomed. I have just been reading the feline crf site, and 2 of her high values might indicate other things as well as kidneys, her cholesterol and globulin are also high, and I also need to ask if her liver values were near the high end of normal before i make any decision.
Desley, if the owner described her different may be she needs more time in your place to get use to new cats, the main thing is she is happy and content to be in the bathroom and if she is eating well and spend time with you then why even considering PTS?! Rosie is not suffering and might have months before she start going down hill. I really think its best to let her live her life now and when the time comes that she is not well then you make decision. Well thats my opinion.
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but I am not going to go down that route - not only because she hated the antibiotics she was given, but mainly because she isn't happy here with the other cats, so I dont feel buying her time is the right thing to do for her.
Des has already stated in her previous post that she isn't happy so I still stick to my opinions.
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Sending positive vibes for Rosie and Hugs for you Desley. xxx
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Perhaps a chat with Elaine would help too Des. She has been really helpful with me re Fabes.
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Whatever you choose Des i know it will be for her, afterall you and your vet know her best :hug:
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Whatever you choose Des i know it will be for her, afterall you and your vet know her best :hug:
Well, I would concur with that :hug: All the best for Rosie.
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Me too Des. :hug:
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By not happy here, I mean she lives in the bathroom and doesn't like seeing the other cats, she does seem content in the bathroom though. She has had a good day today, although I gave her senior food for her tea, she was much happier with her normal food, although it was beef flavour and only 2 of the 5 have eaten all up.
Stage 3 is between 76 and 90% of kidney function lost, although she is literally only just in it.
PAv - I am not considering pts while she has a good appetite. is eating well and responsive, it will be when things get worse that I will have to rethink. Her owners described her as an independent cat who you barely saw, she is happy to sit on my knee, and I have taken her into the cat room the past two nights to save my legs, and she has settled on my knee and only moved cos I have made her - I had to get up twice while i was with her last night, and she happily came back on my knee, so at least she is different in a good way.
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Des everyone knows that you will do the best by Rosie. She is a lucky little girl to have you.
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Des everyone knows that you will do the best by Rosie. She is a lucky little girl to have you.
I agree 100% with Chrissie there! ;)
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Spoke to the vet today, she has pushed me into trying Renal food, and given me 3 different kinds - she started to tuck into the Alutray food, but didn't even eat half of the quarter tray I put down before giving up, although tucked in when her favourite food was mixed in - she does have a sensitive tum though, so we might not get her on purely renal food. They are getting me some dry to try as well (she didn't eat that in her last home, but eats it well here). Vet doesn't recommend Fortekor though, she says it only works for cats that either have protein in their urine, or a low appetite - we haven't done a urine sample yet (slightly uncooperative there!!), and doesn't have a low appetite, so happy not to try that. She did agree with not rehoming her, so i am going to go with the advice of people who have seen her and the test results.
WE have had a good half hour though, she was reluctant to stay outside, and was sniffing the front room when Rolo dashed about having a mad 10 mins, so she went on the stairs. I found some catnip drops, and finally found something that makes her act like she has some life in her - normally she has less energy than the nearly 18yo!! When I get chance, I will upload the pics.
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Glad the vet visit went well and pleased that she ventured out a little even though she met Rolo the whirling dervish. Hope she continues to do well Desley.
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I don't know if what the vet said about fortekor is true or not, it was my understanding it can be started as soon as crf is picked up and will be of benefit. However it was not used for this condition when i was last at work so i am not really in a postion give an opinion.
I've read through most of the posts on this and picked up on
Off course we would always pay vet fees
I do not know for sure but i wonder if that may be an issue and should imagine it must be very difficult for fosterers if it is.
Glad she's perhaps showing positive signs of feeling more secure and fingers crossed she eats the prescrip food.
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I'm glad you are trying the renal food on her, hopefully it make her feel better in herself. As far as advice goes, that's your decision at the end of the day but I would follow the advice off people with more hands on experience than someone who probably hasn't had to deal with situations like this on a day to day basis. Whatever happens, I hope her quality of life improves and that includes her emotional state.
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Off course we would always pay vet fees
I do not know for sure but i wonder if that may be an issue and should imagine it must be very difficult for fosterers if it is.
This had crossed my mind as well.
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Can I add my two penneth here please. Firstly, and this is just a personal opinion, but to describe Rosey as having Stage 3 CRF isnt very helpful as most cats are diagnosed when around 75 - 90% of kidney damage is done. That is not the fault of any owner but the cats survival mechanism to hide illness.
As for fortekor, there is some controversy about its use and again I am talking from personal experience, I feel Winston did benefit from its use. He was, on the most part, a very good eater and I feel that the fortekor as well as the use of slippery elm bark and Pet tinic stood him on good ground. Fortekor is made palatable and Winston used to eat it straight from my hand even on his sickly days.
As for the renal food, it should be gradually introduced just as any other change of food. ~If she will eat the wet then wet is better as the dry will make the kidneys work harder and make hydration a little harder to maintain.
Do you have a copy of her blood results? Is she vomiting at all?
My personal opinion is that treatment is better than no treatment, whether that treatment be renal diet, treating individual symptoms as well as trying to keep fluids up are all very worthwhile things to give a crf cat a good chance of life quality.
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From reading your posts Des I think Rosie is happy, its just that to her happy is being in the bathroom.
Kocka had various things wrong with her including CRF and she was not medicated at all after a few months of injections cos it was far too stressful for her.
She had meds for high blood pressure cos they were very small and I could mix with her ad diet. Kocka on the recommendation of the vet was allowed to eat anything she wanted.
I think the decision that you will make when Rosie starts to have no quality of life, you will make as you always have, with dignity and for the love of Rosie :hug:
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Bear in mind that senior food is around 30% less phosphorus than regular and a lot more palatable than renal (as well as 1/2 the price). It has worked for Clapton. Another thing to consider is binders. Not only does the cat get to eat regular food but it's a lot cheaper. I'm not sure if binders are suitable for all cats - my vet didn't recommend it.
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I was told last year by my vets who gave me Fortekor for my RIP Mitzi! Unfortunately the Fortekor had no effect as the failure was too advanced! :(
I think it depends of the advancement of the CRF also....:(
Keep strong Rosie.....sending you my best wishes! :wish: :ahh:
Des....I trust your judgement 100% and I know that you will know when the moment arrives to say goodbye! :hug: :hug:
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Vet doesn't recommend Fortekor though, she says it only works for cats that either have protein in their urine, or a low appetite -
I really do not understand the vets comment. My Jeannie was diagnosed with CRF over 15 months ago and was immediately put on Fortekor she had none of the above symptoms. To be honest at the time she was diagnosed we thought she was on her way to Rainbow Bridge, as she went blind and was also diagnosed with blood pressure and thyroid probs also. Yet she has a very happy little life abeit on medication, We also take in a number of cats in with CRF some of them at a very advanced stage. However, all are given medication and have survived with a quality life. One of our fosterers has a 'golden oldie' Ria who came in with CRF and mammary tumours over 3 years ago and she has a nice little life although at the time no one thought she had long but we wanted to give her every chance. We also have another cat in with CRF she was diagnosed over a year ago, her owner gave her Fortekor for 1 month then stopped. Early January this year she came into our care and our vet immediately put her on a drip for 4 days as she was so bad. The vet prescribed Fortekor and now she is a different cat and hopefully we will find her a home
I do appreciate however that what works for some may not work for others.
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I don't think Clapton would be alive today if it wasn't for Fortekor. He needed a steroid jab to kick-start his appetite and the toxins were built up so much that he was really poorly and his stomach gurgled all the time. He was just wasting away.
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Desley, whatever you do with regards to Rosie I know it will be for the best. You see her every day and care for her, so you're the one who can read the situation better than anyone.
I hope the dignified lady is doing OK today. Sending her fusses. (And the others too, of course!)
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Sending lots of love to you all :Luv:
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I do not know for sure but i wonder if that may be an issue and should imagine it must be very difficult for fosterers if it is.
If the above means what I think it does then all I can say is when I ask our fosterers to take in cats they have a responsibility to ensure they get every chance in life and all are treated as we would our own. It is my responsibility to ensure the fosterer's have the financial support. I think there is no point in rescuing if the fosterers could not then do everything that is needed to try to ensure a cats wellbeing. All our fosterers are supported 100% by me and know I will find the money somehow and our vets know that whatever the cost we will do anything to try to ensure a quality life.
I would feel sorry for any fosterer who would to ask a co-ordinator or manager for permission before any tests etc could be taken, then again I would feel sorry for myself as most of our fosterers are at the vets every day and I would receive even more phone calls.
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I know its not fair on them. I have even heard of in the past of fosterers even using their own money which is quite comendable i think.
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Desley, whatever you do with regards to Rosie I know it will be for the best. You see her every day and care for her, so you're the one who can read the situation better than anyone.
This is what I can't understand with this thread :Crazy: Des has stated quite categorically that Rosie is not happy and that was the main reason why she wasn't going down the treatment route. If this is the case, why is everyone supporting that by leaving her be in a situation she obviously isn't happy in, is in Rosie's best interest >:(
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By not happy here, I mean she lives in the bathroom and doesn't like seeing the other cats, she does seem content in the bathroom though.
Her owners described her as an independent cat who you barely saw, she is happy to sit on my knee, and I have taken her into the cat room the past two nights to save my legs, and she has settled on my knee and only moved cos I have made her - I had to get up twice while i was with her last night, and she happily came back on my knee, so at least she is different in a good way.
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Dawn may be you should read every thing Desley posted about Rosie and then you will see why people are supporting her and her decision. :hug:
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There is clearly some confusion here.
In the first post it is stated that she isn't happy whereas further down the thread it says she is. Is it perhaps the fact that Rosie has settled since the first post and is now content?
It would appear from the wording in the posts that there is a reluctance to 'treat' Rosie with either renal food or medication.
I understand the problem re the medication - I am very lucky as Fabes actually cries for me to give him his tablets and I'm not sure how I would cope if he fought against it.
Fabes initially loved his renal food but as soon as he walked into the house from the hospital he decided that he would rather have his old biscuits. :tired: I am now mixing the two foods as the vet said this is preferable to not eating anything.
My own concern is that during CRF and if the cat is not hydrated then they will feel as if they have a constant hangover - that was why I suggested that perhaps the food could be introduced. There may be more required to limit this though, unfortunately I am not an expert. I am just thinking along the lines that no matter how long Rosie has left at least she won't be feeling as bad.
I am a completely newbie in respect of CRF and have taken advice from Fabes' vet at Uni of Liverpool and of course Elaine who I consider to be a lay 'expert' in the condition. In addition, my vet (who is a feline specialist in the UK) has recommended I join CRF forums and discuss worries/treatment/supplements etc with people who are 'going through it'. Obviously I would have to run anything by her but I feel its refreshing to hear such an attitude.
Elaine may be able to advise on supplements which would make Rosie more comfortable without being too invasive - unfortunately there are some that Fabes cannot take due to his hypercalcaemia but I know B vitamins are extremely helpful.
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I would like to say one thing in response to Ela - I am doing the same with Rosie as I would if I had got the same diagnosis for Molly - and I did state that on Saturday. Admittedly it is cos Molly is more temperamental than Rosie is, but my vet is aware of my views, as I have a knack of getting cats that we can't do much with (although hopefully she will have a break from aggressive cats, at times I wonder if she likes seeing me!!). And sadly not all CP branches are like yours, when I fostered for CP, I did have to get permission to go to the vets.
Rosie doesn't like the Alutrays, but I really don't blame her, they looked and smelt awful. She wasn't too bad with the Chicken pouches though, although isn't eating as much as before I added the renal food, so I bought some of her favourite crunchies to try and entice her to eat more (not normally an issue with her) of it, and then wean her back off those. I have taken her outside again today, she stayed out longer today, and enjoyed a potter in the sun, and even wanted to jump, so certainly getting more interest in things!!When we got in, she got her catnip drop and crunchies, she was in such a deep sleep when I have just been in to see her, it took a lot to wake her up, so she must have tired herself out, bless her. Rolo is learning to walk away cos she goes mad at him, the vet did warn me cats would struggle with him though, cos they can't read him as well due to having no tail. I actually checked my records, and she has been here less than I thought, it is actually 5 weeks tomorrow (scary that I have lost a week or two!!), so hopefully Pav and Gill are right, and that she will improve in time, the poor thing has had one owner all her life, and then at 15, feeling crap cos of her kidneys (and she did have diarrhea when she came), having to come to a strange place, and Rolo is a bit in your face, bless him, so maybe I am just expecting too much.
CS - I actually thought I had used the terms 'not truly' and 'not 100%', but I had miscalculated how long she had been here. Medication isn't being done following vet advice, although she did mention Vit B and K injections, as well as steroids - but she is eating well (or was, before I tried to introduce new foods - typical cat!!). Fortunately, her only symptom is excessive drinking and weeing, I Can't see any signs of dehydration,
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Desley, Kocka had kidney injections and they caused her to limp badly and become very stressed, they were the alternative to tablets as she could not be medicated.
My vet in London said it was best to stop them due to her stress and to keep her away from vets as long as possible, again due to her stress. He also advise to let her eat what she wanted cos anything was better than nothing and she had a history of refusing to eat and would starve herself rather than eat what she didnt want!
I didnt know about cat chat until after Kocka had gone to the bridge so didnt know about any special foods I could have tried, its unlikely she would have ate them but I never had a chance to try.
I hope Rosie has a happy life now as you know her well and if she wants to be in one room, then thats happyiness for her. :hug:
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I'm not sure how you can check this but Fabes was drinking a lot before he was admitted last week and he was dehydrated. One side effect he had was constipation so perhaps you could keep an eye on her poos.
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Some food for thought there Gill - fortunately she isn't bothered by travelling, I think SAturday's visit was more stressful for me than her. Vet is very insistent on special food, but she isn't eating as much with it, so we shall have to see - she hasn't had much of it yet though. i need to figure out how to work out phosphorus of the other foods she likes to eat - she isn't a picky eater (well, her owners said she was), but she does have a runny tum with certain foods.
CS - I do keep doig the snap test on her neck - not brave enough to check her gums!! Defo no constipation issues yet, although there are 2 things I know have the opposite effect, so if she suffers with that, I do have ways round it.
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Check out this website it has a list of foods and their content:
felinecrf.org
I can't get on it at the moment so there may be a temporary problem with it.
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Thanks CS, but already spent hours on that site over the weekend, the food she is guaranteed to eat with no tummy issues isn't on there. I cant' actually find phosphorus on packaging, never mind work it out!!
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Dawn may be you should read every thing Desley posted about Rosie and then you will see why people are supporting her and her decision. :hug:
I have read it Pav over and over again and I still stick with my views. The posts seem to contradict themselves when reference is made to Rosie being happy. I think if anyone put themselves in her situation, she would tell a different story :tired:
I'm glad you're trying the food now Des, and I think what CS was saying was even though Fabes didn't appear dehydrated, when checked by the vets, he was so may be worth getting her checked out.
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[quote author=Gill (sneakiefeline) link=topic=13933.msg241404#msg24 He also advise to let her eat what she wanted cos anything was better than nothing and she had a history of refusing to eat and would starve herself rather than eat what she didnt want!
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I was just reading the same thing a moment ago on John Burns website (I assume it's person that does the food?)
Quite a good and straightforward site http://www.holisticpethealth.co.uk/health_management_programme.htm
Wild horses won't make Clapton eat renal food so I have to compromise. I have managed to medicate OK for months but for the last 2 days he has spat them out - I can see him going downhill already. He is sleeping now but I am determined to get him back on them as they are doing him so much good.
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Fingers crossed for him Mark - I am struggling with Rosie and Renal food, even a small amount mixed with her normal wet isn't going down that great, yet she did eat a smal amount on its own last night. Ovrenight she hasn't eaten up, so was starving and preferring to eat dry than wet, which is probably worse than her eating normal food. Got to get a couple of phosphorus levels to work out which alternative to use - one of the reasons I rarely feed senior food is I haven't found one wiht a decent meat content, but I have bought some of the 'normal' brands for her.
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I have found the new whiskas senior "Fishermans's Choice" seems to go down best - they are 2 boxes for £5 in Sainsbury's at the moment. I believe they are around 1% phosphorus compared to regular being around 1.4 and renal 0.4. I don't know why some vets are against binders.
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I do hope Clapton soons starts on his medication again, perhaps I could lend you my index finger in my right hand, it seems better than any pill popper I know. Works every time even with the most agressive cat. My problem is that my Jeannie parrt from her Felimazole and Fortekor also has to have 1/8 of a very small tablet once a day now that is hard as it seems to go round and round the mouth and if it comes out it is so so I cannot see it on the carpet.
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I got a pill down him this morning in a piece of fish that I cooked last night. The strange thing is, I expected him to be poorly this morning but he was jumping around the garden chasing a leaf :Luv2: - Last night he was hunched up in a ball. It's difficult to give him pills. He isn't at all agressive but he goes limp with fear and cries like a baby. It is so pitiful :( - he plays dead at the vets as well - it is really upsetting to see.
I know tonight won't be a problem as I have a cornfeed freerange chicken and Clapton won't even notice the pill in the parsons nose :sick:
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Desley, whatever you do with regards to Rosie I know it will be for the best. You see her every day and care for her, so you're the one who can read the situation better than anyone.
This is what I can't understand with this thread :Crazy: Des has stated quite categorically that Rosie is not happy and that was the main reason why she wasn't going down the treatment route. If this is the case, why is everyone supporting that by leaving her be in a situation she obviously isn't happy in, is in Rosie's best interest >:(
I think there needs to be a balance between airing views and respecting someones decisions. I dont agree that mixing fcov cats with so many others is in anyones best interests but i let that thread lay. :shy:
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I think there needs to be a balance between airing views and respecting someones decisions. I dont agree that mixing fcov cats with so many others is in anyones best interests but i let that thread lay. :shy:
And who mentioned anything about ANY of mine having FCOV, I certainly didn't. If you read back the posts, I stated that most cats in a rescue situation, breeding establishment whatever, would have it. At no time did I say any of mine did so that's you jumping to conclusions which is abit different than airing ones views. If you read up on FCOV, you will find MOST cats have the Corona Virus. Up to date, I haven't had any reason to test any of mine for the virus, the only one I tested was Vita, she was kept separate when she came back positive and up to that point, she was in a dog cage most of the time because she didn't like other cats. She was rehomed in a single cat household where she wouldn't pose any risk to others. And seeing as you are fit to comment on me so called mixing, have your cats been tested for the virus, I doubt it very much. You will find most rescue cats have this virus, if any had health problems that would indicate they had it, then they would be tested. As far as airing views, Des stated Rosie wasn't happy, I'm sorry if no one is allowed to pick up on that point but tough, I did and so did many others.
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Can we keep this thread an a calm level and related to the topic which is wishes for Rosie please. :thanks:
With so many members and many different Rescues with us, we are bound to get different views and advice and they are best kept on a polite level to give the best help possible. When any advice is given with many different opinions, it is up to the individual to take on board all that is said and act. All our rescues are recuses cause they care very very much about cats in their care and at times we may have to agree to disgaree with different methods or care chosen. From knowing many of you in rescue for years on CC and here, i know it's soo not easy at all in rescue and it is good to exchange your differnent points of view as many of us can learn alot from those threads and start to understand just what hard work and care you all do. :Luv:
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Well, Rosie is off the renal food, she acted starving when I got up yesterday as she had barely eaten her tea, and I put just the tiniest bit in her normal food, 40 mins later she was still acting hungry, as she didn't want to eat it, so I took it away and gave her her normal food. She tucked in, and I got the first clean bowl since I started trying to change her food on Sun. Last night she ate loads of food, and seemed that bit livelier. I am going to try the dry renal food, to see if she can tolerate that, and if so, that might be a bit of a compromise, and I have bought Whiskas Senior - my Asda is poor for that though, but I have to go to PAH on Sat, they might have a better selection. I have mixed some in with HiLife chicken for her this morning, just been into check, and she has eaten more HiLife than Whiskas, so we will just have to see what she eats during the day.
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Aw....its a shame she wont eat the sp diet food but if they all did what they were all supposed to would'nt life be a doddle! :innocent: I know that it is better for Rosie to eat than not eat whether it is the recommended food or not at this point is really immaterial....the main thing is she still has her pleasure's...... ;)
Good luck with finding her something she can tuck into that hasnt got too many naughty ingredients in! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
>Rosie :ahh:
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Has she tried Felix senior - the foil trays? That has a relatively low phosphorous content, Tiggy was on that for a few months happily until she realised she could hold out for Gourmet pearl :evillaugh:
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Has she tried Felix senior - the foil trays? That has a relatively low phosphorous content, Tiggy was on that for a few months happily until she realised she could hold out for Gourmet pearl :evillaugh:
Awwwwwwwwww cats and I so agree that if eating is one of her few pleasures, then its best to be a panda :rofl:
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Has she tried Felix senior - the foil trays? That has a relatively low phosphorous content, Tiggy was on that for a few months happily until she realised she could hold out for Gourmet pearl :evillaugh:
Funny but mine won't touch the senior alutrays but they will eat the senior pouches :Crazy:
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Has she tried Felix senior - the foil trays? That has a relatively low phosphorous content, Tiggy was on that for a few months happily until she realised she could hold out for Gourmet pearl :evillaugh:
Awwwwwwwwww cats and I so agree that if eating is one of her few pleasures, then its best to be a panda :rofl:
Forgive me for going off-topic ever-so-briefly, but whats this about pandas? :Crazy: :rofl: I am being dim again, arent I? :-:
Hope Rosie has found something on the menu that pleases her, Desley :Luv:
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I assumed Gill meant to Pander to their Lord & Ladyships :-:
Maybe not? :Crazy:
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We have had an absolutely excellent night, and if she carries on like this, she could have months, and not weeks. She didn't take any notice of the renal dry I got - I have done two trips to the vets and two trips to the supermarket this week just for her!! She does love the HiLife chicken, just waiting to see if it agrees with her tum. I have tried FElix senior tins, but it was beef flavour and she wasn't over keen. I have to be careful what I give her with her tum, she can't afford diarrhea. Some of the food MArk mentions I can't get as I have only found my nearest Sainsbury's when I was lost. I am going to PAH on Sat though, so shall see what they have. I would ideally like a high meat content (as that is the only reason the girls don't get Senior), but the only one I know of is HiLife tins - but they are £3 something for 8 small tins, and very hard to get hold of.
Tonight, she has been outside, then I put Rolo in the kitchen, she had a wander round the front room and then sat on the stairs, I got ehr a couple of catnip drops, she went bonkers over them, then gave her the catnip ball (fell down the stairs!), a mousey, whcih she liked till that fell down the stairs, and then the tail tickler came out - she loves the tail tickler, has had two plays with that (I will post pics over the weekend), then another wander round the front room, found the catnip ball again, then settled on the stairs, she was on the stairs for at least 25 mins, plus her time wandering outside and in the front room.
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Yes Mark thats excatly what I meant :rofl: :rofl:
Christine dim never ;D ;D
Rosie sounds like she is doing very well Des and playing too , thats great ;D
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What a fantastic turn around.....Im sooo pleased for you both! ;D
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Thanks, I am really pleased - she is very perky this morning, and has dived into her Whiskas Oh So Chicken - biscuits haven't been touched overnight, so think we will give up with the renal food and just give her the JWB and her Whiskas crunch. Can't wait to show the pics off!!!
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Try mixing the biscuits Des - thats what I'm doing at the moment with fabes
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Brilliant stuff! Well done, Rosie. ;D
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Hi Des, just catching up with this thread.
As you know I've been going through this with Max in trying to get him to eat his renal food, if not all the time, the majority of it, as his levels have improved in the space of the 2 months we've been doing it.
I would recommend trying the new RC tuna flavour pouch if you haven't already, its the only one that Max has ever eating with gusto, he eat the whole lot in one go without coming up for air!
Sending lots of positive vibes Rosie's way :Luv:
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WEll, she ate some of her mixture of RC Renal, JWB and Whiskas crunch during the day, wolfed her Whiskas Oh so, I took her downstairs, she didn't want to go out, but happily stayed on the stairs for well over an hour, first playing with her toys - n o catnip needed (I will need new ones, her idea of playing is pullig the feathers out!!), then happily sleeping, so I think she decided to prove me wrong. Either she just needed some more time to settle, or it was the outdoor access she was missing - she does still spend more time in the bathroom, but is much more alert now.
I had to go to the vets (again, 3rd trip this week!!), and the vet was about, as it was going home time, so I got a few mins chat, she said she wasn't surprised that Rosie wouldnt eat the food, which is why she only gave me a small amount (i'd hate to see her large amounts, there were 8 pouches and 2 alutrays!!), I asked about the Tuna pouches, and she said they have some at the other branch, so will pick some up for me tomorrow, and I can pick them up next week - we already have an app, she will have to wait till then, I Dont want to do 2 trips next week as well. She has eaten some Whiskas senior tonight, but loves the HiLife and Whiskas Oh So chicken, so I might just leave her on that. Now for the best bit - pics!!
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Awww Desley, Rosie looks great , so different from her very first picture! I have to agree she does look alert and is great that she is playing or trying ;) She does not look her age .
Well done Rosie. :hug:
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Rosie looks wonderful and so cheeky ;D
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Thanks Pav, she certainly seems to have more life in her, she isn't sleeping as deeply either, which is good, as I felt awful startling her. The fact she is playing without catnip is a really good sign, I dont want to do too much too soon with her, I did have to take the toy off her yesterday as she seemed to have overdone it.
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Awww! No sign's of unhappiness there! :Luv: Like most animals they always manage to make you think the opposite then all of a sudden change on you.....looks like she is opening up now! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
I love the first pic but may I suggest you introduce her to a real cat and not the toy one! :rofl: ;)
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Nope, there certainly isn't, and she certainly is opening up - maybe she thought 'well, I've been here this long, obviously my mummy and daddy aren't coming back for me, so I will have to accept it'.
:-) - that's my doorstop!! Rolo was already outside, he doesn't need any encouragement.
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Awwww, lovely pics, she's such a pretty girl :Luv:
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Thanks. I got a good deal at PAH today, so Rosie has a new catnip parcel that she loves, which made her run round playing with the ball, then scaring herself. She also liked the new mousey. She doens't like the replacement toy though, but Moses does. I also bought her a comfort mat which is so so with her - she wouldnt stay on the stairs tonight though.
One thing I forgot to say is that I am even more proud of her for playing, as one of her owners comments was 'she's old, she doesn't play' - I Did respond that my 15yo loves to play. So to get her playing 5.5 weeks later is wonderful, and makes me more hopeful that she can have a summer here, rather than the few weeks I initially thought.
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I am sure Rosie will have a summer with you, if not longer :hug:
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I do hope so, I know there are no guarantees on how long she will have, but at least I have found some things that make her happy.
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I do think is important that Rosie enjoy her self now, she is still well and that is the main thing. :hug:
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I do think is important that Rosie enjoy her self now, she is still well and that is the main thing. :hug:
I think she is definately "going for it" as the expression on Rosie's face as she plays on the stairs says it all! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Yeah, she certainly was!! She had a really good play session when I went to say night to her, until I ruined things by putting the mousey in water. Nothing is where it was left when I said night, so she must have played overnight. I also had a shock this morning, I spotted Moses on the landing, so went to put her back in the cat room before i did anything, she wouldn't go though, and when I turned round, Rosie was in there!! She then had a potter on the landing, sniffed zi - they both spat at the same time, but at least they had a few seconds nosesniff first. Another potter, and I found her on the second step of the stairs, so she is realising she can go down them on her own. She polished off the first half pouch i gave her, so gave her the rest - am glad she is eating so well. More pics of her iwth her new toys.
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Its amazing when they do come out of their shells....I always new she was a shy cat but now Rosie is gaining confidence I feel your gonna have a cat that is the total opposite of when she first came to you.....
I honestly dont think her owner's have got to know this babe for real, to think they said she is a loner who dos'nt play! :Crazy:
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It is lovely to see, I am so proud of her. She has had a wonderful afternoon, I brought her downstairs (Rolo was asleep out of the way), she had a sniff outside, a good explore of the front room, and a good play. Pottered back upstairs when I went in the kitchen, but happily came down when I spoke to her. She has stayed on the stairs since then, and is still sleeping there, on the blanket - think she has been down for nearly 2 hours now, Moses sneaked out of her room and Rosie was fine. Just a shame I cnat do the hoovering now.
I think they were right about her being an independent cat, she is much happier to be sleeping on a blanket than with me, but she did try and climb on my knee yesterday (Woudlnt stay on today), but is very responsive.
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Thats brilliant news. Well done Rosie. I have to say I had the pleasure of meeting her and she really is a little sweetheart. Theres no way shes unhappy the way she acts. She came for a look at me and stayed for longer than my own cats stay with strangers which was nice. Im glad shes coming out of her shell now and exploring more
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Thanks Tab, I am very pleased with her today, she is still happily sleeping on the stairs (on that blanket near the top), so it does seem as though my fears were wrong.
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Great stuff, Desley :wow: Rosie certainly looks lively and happy in those pictures: I really am pleased to see that.
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it certainly sounds as though shes better settled now.
Maybe she was suffering with a little depression being uprooted then when she realised her owners weren't coming back she just got on with it.
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Rosie looks happy with her little mouse, as being independent and sleeping on her blanket there are cats which choose the places they like and
move around , at least she does sit on your knees, my Boy after 8 years still doesnt come to my bed or even sofa, and he is a very friendly cat but i guess some like their own space ;)
Still Rosie might surprise you and one morning you find her down stairs on her own, i think she just need some more time, still early days, but is so good to see her opening up. :hug:
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Thanks for the nice comments, we have had a wonderful afternoon, she stayed downstairs for hours, and even when I thought she had gone up for good, she came back down of her own accord!! She hasn't eaten all her tea, but she has still eaten 1 3/4 pouches, plus some of her Whiskas crunch - it's more than Molly eats some days, and Molly weighs over 1kg more.
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Bless her, the turnaround in her is amazing :Luv: :hug:
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I know, she has certainly proved me wrong!! Will see what she thinks of the REnal tuna on Thurs, but to be honest, i am not too bothered if she eats it or not
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sounds like she's eating well and the catnip mice are being well dealt with! all the best :hug:
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wonderful desley & well done :)
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Thanks - she is continuing to improve, she stayed outside for about an hour yesterday, I tried to leave her alone, I did go out twice, and both times she came to me and followed me, so I felt a bit sad I had disturbed her really - was amazed to find her on the wall though!! She even had a couple of nose sniffs with Rolo - but she started the spitting first, so I think he is learning to stay out of her way. She is staying out of the bathroom more and more, and happily sleeping on the stairs, just need to get her used to eating on the landing now. I honestly can't believe the difference in this cat in a week.
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Fab news! Sound's like she is gaining her confidence from you Des....glad she is moving around a lot more and obviously having fun! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Tell Rolo I think he is being such a gent! :Luv:
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That is really great news,am so made up for you both xx
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Can't tell Rolo that I'm afraid BM, he has been a naughty boy today. Rosie did bat him for walking past her though!! She has had a good day, although eating a bit less. She is spending more and more time out of the bathroom though, which is a good thing.
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Oh what has poor Rolo done :-:
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HE got into a fight yesterday morning, and yest evening, I was wandering about doing things, and ignored him when he was miaowing at me, so he sprayed in front of me to get my attention.
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Oh Desley, he's a demanding one that lad!
Glad Rosies feeling a little better, though. :)
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Certainly got your hands full xx
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I certainly do!!
Can I ask for some more vibes please? I noticed a lump just under her ear tonight, I dont remember feeling it when I was scratching her ear on Fri. It does move slightly, so hopefully that means it is something and nothing. Fortunately we have a vet visit tomorrow anyway. She has had a nice potter outside with me again tonight, and is still eating, although she seems to have gone off the Whiskas Oh So Chicken a bit - typical as I have bought more of that!!
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More :hug: from me, simba keeps going of the foods he usually likes too! xx
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Thanks. I hope it is nothing, when PEbbles wouldnt eat her favourites, I knew it was cos she was in pain.
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Sending Rosie positive vibes for tomorrow. :hug: :hug:
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Loads of luck to Rosie for tomorrow :hug:
poor Rolo, ypu know you should give him more attention :rofl: :rofl:
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Sending positive vibes for Rosie at the vets later today~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks for the wishes.
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Sending lots of positive vibes for Rosie's vet visit :Luv:
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Well, it was a fluid filled cyst - and fortunately clear fluid, so vet isnt too concerned. She has one dodgy tooth, but it isn't bad enough to warrant worrying about, a tad dehydrated, but other than that, vet says she is in good enough shape to suprise me and have years!! Picked up some of the RC tuna, and it has had mixed reviews really, she started off well, but then stopped - although eaten more than the other flavour (haven't tried her on the beef, as she doesn't seem keen on beefy flavour foods). I am going to start adding water to her wet food to help her dehydration, and limit her dry food. OFf to Asda to stock up on HiLife chicken - despite the vets advice being senior. At least with this I know she will eat it, so can mix it in with the senior if needs be - she has been fussy with the senior, I know she will prob love the supermeat, but adult supermeat went through her.
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Thats a relief ;D
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That is great. ;D
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Wow fab news Des! ;D Well done Rosie! :wow:
Is it the sachet's of Hi life chicken you buy Des? If so how much do they cost if you dont mind me asking? :shify:
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Glad Rosie is O.K and vet trip went well.
Asda do hi-life pouches 4 for a £1, its been on offer for a while now. I think a box of 12 is £3.80. I was all set to move my boys onto it as Charley loves meat but they are favouring stuff in gravy at the mo- I can't keep up.
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Wow that is good....and here was me thinking that I was getting a bargain at 27p each! :-:
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Forgot to mention that the vet has given some Antepsin for her gassy tummy, but she doesn't think it is anything too sinister. She did make me sad last night though, I thought she had eaten quite a bit of the renal food, and I then mixed it with some Whiskas Oh So. Before i went to bed, I checked on her, and she had licked it dry, so I mashed it up and added water, but she wouldnt touch it, but did rub round me (not normal for her) and acted hungry. When I opened another Whiskas Oh so and put it on top, she dived in as though she was starving poor thing. So no renal food this morning. I think she struggles to eat the chunks to be honest, she doesnt have a lot of teeth, so I think RC might be a bit hard for her. I might have anohter go with the Alutray, and maybe mix it with her HiLife.
BM - it is the Essentials pouches I buy, they are exclusive to Asda. The boxes are £2.88, so cheaper to buy a box than individual now I know she likes them. I am avoidig the tuna ones though, as I didn't think they were good with kidney issues.
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WEll, she would rather starve than eat food with Antepsin in, so have given up on that idea too, as it breaks my heart to watch her so hungry for food even though there is some down. She is taking longer to eat her food at the moment, but still eating a decent amount during the day. She is on Feline Fayre chicken at the moment, it is just 50% chicken, gelling agent and minerals, so has to be decent, as I know the old suggestion was a pure chicken diet - this just has things added to make it complete, and in a multi-cat household, is easier than cooking proper chicken. So, two weeks after diagnosis, my original idea is right, as she wont tolerate food or meds, but I am aware of the fact she might not have as long cos she wont eat the food or take the meds - it is typical for one of my cats though. I have to pop in the vets on my way home tomorrow, so will see if the vet is free for a chat to see if there is any other alternatives for her tummy. I might try the SEB in the morning just in case she will accept that.
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God love her...you know how hard it is too eat with a gassy tummy..... :sick:
Feline Fayre....now I seen that for 19p a sachet in Home Bargains is that cheap Des?
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Sending all my best wishes her way.............I know how hard it is when they dont want to eat. :'(
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I know, but the silly girl wont take the meds for it - she was actually eating better before I Tried her on the meds though, bizarrely enough. Unless the Feline Fayre is making it a bit worse. She has come down of her own accord today, sat on the arm of the sofa to eat some chicken, then went and slept on the stairs for a bit before retiring to the bathroom. After I relented and gave her 'untainted' food, she had a good play, and I found one of the toys in an odd place this morning, so she had had a good play then too.
IT is (they are 29p each or 4 for £1 in Asda), but you have to watch that, only the black pouches/tins are complete, the blueish ones are complimentary, and they dont go down as well here as HiLife - we also had issues at the rescue with their tuna, it caused the cats to produce very dark sick/poo, something we haven't had issues with HiLife
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I will have to check out which ones they are... :shify: My lot hate them I know that much but gave them too my sis for her puds! :shy:
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They were the bluish ones! :shy:
How is Rosie today Des....hope her tummy has settled for her! :hug:
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Just tell her not to feed them all the time then.
I actually popped in the vet last night (seem to love that place at the mo!!), and had a quick chat with the vet. She said that the other options for controlling the gas are even less accepted than what she gave me, so basically, we have tried and can't do anything more on that respect. I mentioned the food, and her opinion is the protein content. She thought 11 and 12% is fine, but I checked the majority of foods in the house when I got back (no mean feat either!!), and it is one of the highest in the house, so I will have to have a rethink - do I go for high meat content or low protein content? I did find some foods that had even less protein in than the prescription food though (due to the amount of food donated recently, I do have over 20 brands/types/flavours!!), so maybe I should mix them. Important thing is that she is eating and happy.
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Thinking of Rosie! And hoping the good eating continues! :hug: :hug: ;D
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Thanks, I was going to post on Sat as we will be three weeks after diagnosis then, and she is doing much better than I expected, I honestly expected to have to have made that decision by now for her sake, but she is doing well. Think I have had her playing too much though, as she is preferring to sleep in the bathroom rather than on the stairs (although me not seeing her the other day and catching her could also have something to do with that), and she didn't want to stay outside today, but she did potter round downstairs, and played with Da Bird. She eats well as long as you dont try and put anything in her food!! HEr cyst is filling up again though, but am going to try and leave it as long as possible before having it drained.
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i had an e-mail today of her owners, asking how they were all doing and if all had new homes - so I had to tell her about Rosie, and that it means she wont be rehomed - haven't heard back from her yet, but I know how upset I was, and I was expecting it, dont think it is two months yet since she has been here, so it will be an even bigger shock to her owner, as she thought she was healthy - I also dont have the guilt to live with that she will.
She has had a good night though, didn't want to eat her Feline Fayre, but was happy wiht the Whiskas Senior and HiLife chicken, and has had a good potter outside with me, and a bit of a play.
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Bless, she seems to be doing well Des, at least if she is playing she must feel good.
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My cats wont touch the feline fayre Des...they all hate it.....is it the one where the chicken looks stringy? :sick:
I suspect it will be a fair old shock for Rosies previous owners to find out of her medical condition.....but then again they must of seen some sort of symptom! :Crazy:
Glad she is still eating what she fancies okay, and to be able to go outside for a potter sounds like bliss for her! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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IT is - Rolo isn't keen on it, and Rosie is happily eating HiLife chicken again - which isn't too bad, as it is lower in protein. Gettig her some more senior food today, despite living on Whiskas for years, she tucked into the Felix SEnior!!
I think it will be, but as her only symptom until recently has been drinking and weeing, there is a fair chance they didn't notice in a multicat household with a cat who wouldnt use a tray.
She is gulping a bit today, but isn't keen on SEB in her food, it took me ages to get her to eat it. I did get up late this morning, and hadn't taken the clean bowls upstairs, so she had to wait for me to go down and get them - she actually followed me into the kitchen, sniffed at Rolos breakfast and then had a sniff at the fresh air, before coming upstairs, so other than the gulping, she is having a good day.
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I wonder if the gulping is anything to do with her gassy tum? :shify:
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Clapton used to gulp and gurgle until the Fortekor stabilised his condition.
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Yep, I think it is BM, but she wont take the medication for it. As she is one of mine, i shouldnt have expected anything different really, it happens with most of my cats - and I know if something happens to Molly, daily meds are out of the question, and the vet has already been told. I wouldnt like to give Zi daily meds either, but she is a tortie.
Meant to add - I got her some FElix senior today (she has so much food it is unbelievable, there are 4 boxes in my bathroom!!), and I Found it interesting that the pouches are a higher protein content than the tins are. Might have to mix the Felix senior with whatever the girls are having so I can keep her on the tinned stuff (not sure she could get through a full tin a day by herself).
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typically, there has been no sign of gulping since i posted!! Her tummy didn't like the amount of Felix I gave her though. She is doing very well though, I keep hearing bells jingling from the bathroom, which means she is playing of her own accord (I bought her a new catnip mouse on Sat - might as well encourage her while she is feeling good enough to play), and she is pottering about the house a bit more, I took her downstairs yesterday to sit with me, but she preferred to check the front room out, so we had a play with Da Bird, and she had some catnip. Today I have had her playing in the cat room.
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Keep it up Rosie hope you have many happy playing days
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I hope so too, it is lovely when I am sat here and can hear jingling from the bathroom. She has been pottering about a lot today actually, and has also wandered in here and eaten some of the food - just hope it doesnt set her tummy off again, it is just back to normal after the Felix.
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Yep, I think it is BM, but she wont take the medication for it.
Who wont take their medication ? (i'm getting very confused lol)
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Oh Drat Michelle...you caught me out! :evillaugh:
Glad Rosie is having a lovely fun time! ;D
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You misread that comment Michelle!!
I am glad to - bit of a dodgy tum again overnight, so have put her on some sensitivity food, but she isn't appreciatign it.
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Hope Rosie's tummy settles down again Des
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Sending healing vibes for Rosie's tum!~~~~~~~ :ahh:
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She's fine now - it is my fault, i wasnt quick enough in stopping her eating the other cats food. She has had a nice potter about outside, and even went back out of her own accord after coming in, so that was good. She certainly seems to be enjoying life now, and she has been here 2 months tomorrow, it has been a hard 2 months for her.
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So glad for you that Rosie is feeling so much better, its really hard isn't it when they are not well. xx
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Thanks - it certainly is, just Zi's vet visit on Sat to worry about now.
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Glad Rosie is enjoying herself. Try not to worry about the dental Des although I know you will :hug:
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Me too, she is still eating really well, which is good. Luckily, I am mega busy at work this week, so at least I haven't got as much time to worry myself.
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Hoping that Rosie is having a nice week! :hug:
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She is, she has had lots of potters about outside, and lots of playing with her toys, I honestly didn't expect this turnaround when I took her for those bloods, I really did panic for no reason. Her legs aren't the best, but it didn't stop her eyeing the wall up last night!! I have had an answer back from her owner as well, here it is
really sad to hear about Rosie, just gald that she is in your hands. Please give her a kiss from me x.
Thank You for being there for Rosie, I know that I am all this way away but if you need anything for Rosie I can contact my mates back home.
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Its sometime's nice just to know you are appreciated! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hope Rosie continue's having a wonderful time! ;)
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IT is.
Bit bothered by Rosie today, she has had a wonderful day outside, but she is seeming quite thin on her back end (I have been giving her more senior this week), and her fur wasn't as good - she wouldn't let me touch certain places though, i.e. her back legs, and she does stand funny on her front legs. I might have to get some Synoquin, and hope she will take it. I will post pics of her outside and playing when Photobucket will let me.
On the plus side, it was a month yesterday from her diagnosis, and apart from her legs, she is doing so much better - when I first got the results, the idea was 2-3 weeks palliative care, purely cos she was eating well, and then letting her go due to how she was acting, but she decided to prove me wrong. Her first month since the diagnosis has gone well, here's to the next one!!
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Yep here's to the next one. Maybe she has overdone it on her legs with playing and stuff Des. Dragan used to get very sore when he overdid things.
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She could have done, I might have to take her toys away for a day or two
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Poor Rosie....only finding a love for toys at 15yrs then having to lighten up with them :(....hope her legs start to show some improvement! :hug:
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Bless her ... hope she feels better soon :Luv2:
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I am sure I am seriously missing something here but have been back on the thread and cant find out what is wrong with Rosie and what this diagnosis was.
Please can you tell me Desley cos I been back to April and saw she had a cyst and its driving me crazy that I cant find it, sorry :shify:
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Des the fur not being right is what sent us on the diabetes route and since stabilised Tigers fur is much better but he does get tufty in the backend I would ask for her blood sugar to be tested as some of the other things can mask this.
It does mean a day at the vet but may be the route cause and this is curable and may be whats wrong with her
Good luck with her anyway :hug:
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Gill - the lump was just a harmless cyst, she doesn't have any other illnesses other than her CRF at the moment.
She is at the vets on Sat, we are going to weigh her and discuss options for her suspected arthritis. IT isn't stopping her pottering about and playing though, but I am wondering about supplements as she hasn't been happy at taking any meds so far. IT isn't my vet on Sat, as she has broke her arm, so will have to see what the new vets thoughts are about her. I do think she has lost some weight, but she is on mainly senior food and no dry, so not too surprising.
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Aw bless her! :Luv: Hoping that they can find some relief for her legs....luckily as you said it is only slight so the meds should work a treat! :wish: :hug:
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The main issue is finding some meds she will actually tolerate!!
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I'm so glad that she seems to be better and long may it continue. Can she not take any of the glucosamine (does it come in liquid form?).
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You can get liquid glucosamine capsules , if you can pierce them can you use that?
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I have some sachets of powder you sprinkle on food but Alice won't eat the food with it on :tired:
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I do have some human Chondroitin/Glucosamine, but they are mega big tablets, so not even going to waste my time trying to crush them - we are at the vets in the morning, so shall see what they say.
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Was it this morning you were at the vets with Rosie Des? ;)
Hope all went well! :hug:
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Well, quite a good vet visit, despite having to wait for ages!! She has put some weight on, but her tum was quite bloated, so dont know how much was down to that. I suspect quite a bit, as her back end is looking thinner. Vet was wondering if her joints were due to a potassium issue until she felt her - her shoulders felt fine, but her knees are very bad, luckily, she got a leaflet on her desk this week about a new med that is in a liquid form, and there was an article in Your Cat about a homeopathic remedy for it that comes in liquid form, so going to look into those two, as she isn't happy to give her Metacam, and Synoquin comes in 90 tablets, and I dont wnat to spend £30 on something she wont take, would rather spend that on something else for her!! Going to get a urine sample this week to check for sugar in her wee, and she has OK'd her to have dry food as she is drinking enough to compensate for it. Overall, vet is happy with her, she did reiterate her being on limited time, but she thinks she seems happy. She has been very bright today, wandered a bit, and had a play. Still not looking past getting a good summer out of her though, especially if we can't get this arthritis under control.
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Good luck with the liquid form meds (when prescribed).....Aw bless her though....the weight loss could of been due to not having any dry so hopefully that should get back to normal now....but with added weight comes added stress to her joints! :Crazy:
Finger's crossed for some improvement in her arthritis.....and some good sunny days for her to relax! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Please give her a cuddle from me! :ahh:
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I will be getting told about the new meds on Mon (am at the vet again then!!), so will be able to see which way to go with her. Surprisingly she hadn't lost weight, but I doubt the extra weight will affect her joints too much, as she is only 2.64kg. I will be monitoring it though, as I know extra weight can make arthritis more - thinking of taking her for monthly weigh ins.
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Glad she is doing well and hope you can get her to take the meds and she gets some arthritis relief.
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Glad to hear that Rosie is doing well. Blip (who admittedly only has a touch of arthritis in one hip) is observably more mobile in the warmer weather we have been having so I hope Rosie can get some relief during the summer. The liquid prescription medication has got to be worth a try too.
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Thanks for the good wishes. Rosie adores the sun, so can't wait to get some more for her - I am trying to do something every day for her that gives her some pleasure, so that if she takes a sudden downturn, I know she has been enjoying herself. I am going to try crushing one of my glucosamine tabs to put with her tea - suppose even if she only takes a small amount of it, it is better than nothing. They are incredibly big tablets though. I could poss hide meds in cat milk for her, but she had a bit of a dodgy tum last time I gave her some. She is eating very well though, vet did feel her throat and check her heart, but didn't say anything, so I am assuming she didn't find anythign to make her suspect a thyroid problem. I can transfer my worry over to Zia now!!
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Thanks for the info Des and Rosie I think has a way to go weight wise before it would cos probs with her arthritus. She sounds as light as Kocka was, just like feather.
I hope that the new meds may help her and sure she has loads of sunbathing time ;D
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She really is a tiny cat. She hasn't appreciated the SEB in her food this morning, shame as her tum is very gassy. Sun is out here today, so thought I would pop on PC early, then when it gets warm enough to sit outside, I can take Rosie and my book, and we can have a good time in the sun. I just have to watch her drinking according to the vet, apparently they tend to forget to go in and drink and get dehydrated - I did take water outside with me last week, but they all refused it.
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WEll, I am giving up with the urine sample for diabetes - she had a tray with special litter Sun and Mon night, she pooed in it the first night, so I was pleased she would use it, even if she didn't wee all night (not like her), but there was nothing in it yesterday morning, so I was slightly concerned cos it meant she hadn't weed all night. I was moving some stuff in the bathroom last night and found she had used some of my washing instead, so I felt so guilty she had needed the loo but hated the litter so much she found an alternative. Last night I tried an empty tray as the last resort - still empty this morning, so I swapped it straight away rather than waiting till I went to work, and she went straight in it for a wee (admittedly did her usual trick of missing the tray completely!!), so she isn't willing to oblige, and prefers to hold on or find another way of weeing, and as CRF cats are prone to UTI's, I can't risk that with her.This is the second time I have tried getting a urine sample out of her, so obvious she isn't going to oblige!! Will ring the vets today and let them know - they may have an alternative I suppose.
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Have you tried the shot glass approach Desley?
Its the only way I can get a sample out of Max ............. I put down the crystal litter, knowing full well that he wont use it ..... wait a good few hours until he starts meowing at me (which generally means I need a wee give me back my litter!). As soon as I put the normal litter tray back, he goes straight in there, so I just lift his tail mid-stream and catch a bit that way :evillaugh:
Maybe not the most technically advanced way to do it, but its worked twice in a row now! Bet I'm tempting fate for next week in trying to get one now :-: :evillaugh:
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I'm with Clare, Amber had her legs crossed for over 24 hours for check after she had cystitis, I let her in the garden and followed her with a tea cup and had the sample in about 2 minutes
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On her next visit des they can quickly take a sample there and then ;D
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Considered but due to a couple of reasons, it just wasn't an option. I was only going to take her once a month for a checkup, and dont fancy taking her just for that. Went to order her arthritis supplements today, but they are under the minimum order, so need to find something else to order.
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Little sweetheart. I hope the vet can get a sample
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Sorry to hear your having trouble getting a sample....they can be so stubborn :tired: Hope she is using the tray normally now for her wee's... :Luv: :hug:
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Sending Rosie lots of :Luv: xxx
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Thanks everyone - had a bad couple of days with her, but a bit better today - she tries to use the tray, but misses at least once a day, so i am currently changing the newspaper under the tray more often than the actual litter!! She will happily poo in the tray, but misses with wee's, so I Can't decide if it is her knees or not. She has been a bit off her food, I am hoping she was just fed up of it, so have bought her some different flavours today - had her on adult last night and this morning, but she does gulp more on it, so bought some different senior flavours today. Seraquin arrived yesterday, and as long as I break it into about 3 pieces (they are quite big tabs), she will happily eat them and ask for more - she has to have 2 tabs a day at the moment. She has figured out how to get on the bed, so was on and off 4 times this morning (by which point I gave up and got up - had already got up once to feed them), and I did get her some new toys today as well.
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They dont crouch down as far Des for no. 2s so it still could be her knees being sore! ;) Glad she is taking the supplement easily and I do hope it has a great effect very soon! :hug: :hug:
Hope she settles back into her normal eating pattern too! :Luv:
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Does she need a bigger tray maybe? Glad she is taking her supplement bless her. Hope she enjoys her new toys too
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I wonder if she is just standing in the wrong part of the tray - it is a large tray, I did look at the extra jumbo ones in PAH, but it wont fit in the space next to the loo, and I dont want to move the tray in case that upsets her more. She is still being picky wiht her food today, bless her, but took her Seraquin. I am tempted to book her in for next Sat for an anabolic steroid jab just to tide her over until the Seraquin has had chance to get in her system, but I am reluctant to go down the steroid route.
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Dragan used to have a steroid injection every three months. I know it has side effects but it really did help perk him up. See how she goes
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Maybe steroid's would be okay in the very short term....and if it helps bridge the pain gap then definitely worth a thought! ;)
:hug: :hug: :hug: to you both! :Luv:
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I will be looking into it on Sat, and at least she is eating the Seraquin, so hopefully that will help. Rosie is such a funny little girl, I was hoovering the bathroom earlier, and she is the only cat that doesn't run out of the room - she actually let me hoover some of her loose hairs off her!! She has had a bit of a play, but is looking for food and not liking what I have put down. Fortunately it is Sun, so they are all on chicken (what kind depends on what cat!!), and I know she likes that, so she will eat lots of that.
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She had a good evening, they had chicken for their tea cos it was Sun, so ate quite a bit, has had 2 wees overnight and no missing of the tray (yay!!), and has eaten a decent amount of food this morning, and still taking her Seraquin, I think she might be upset when she goes down to one tablet a day!! I also had her playing with her new toys last night. IF she stays like this all week, I will put off the steroid jab.
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Lovely to hear Rosie is enjoying herself and her food. Let's hope she continues and doesn't need the steroid. way to go little Rosie girl
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I am pleased - heard a bit of spitting 10 mins ago, so went to investigate, it was my neighbours cat (he keeps sneaking in!!), so she followed me down the stairs to shut the door, and I have heard a bell tinkling from the bathroom which means she has played with her catnip mousey, so obviously another good day today.
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obviously another good day today.
Sounds good ;D
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Aye - she has been downstairs again, pinched a bit of Moses's food, so will have to keep an eye on her tray (she loves supermeat, but it doesn't agree with her!!), but did have a play on the stairs. I just wish it was sunny here so I could take her outside.
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all sounds good! Hope you can avoid the steroid jab. Some sun would be just the ticket for some of us 2 leggeds too :)
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I actually watched her wee last night, and she isn't crouching at all, I Wasn't convinced she had weed till I smelt it, the vet is supposed to be ringing me at 3. She has overshot the tray overnight, and despite being bright and playful, she hasn't eaten much (but maybe she just doesn't like Felix Senior anymore). I gave her some HiLife tuna last night, she wolfed the first half a pouch, but hadn't finished the second overnight, but has eaten some dry. I Found a magnetic arthritis collar that a friend sent for Tiger, so I have put that on her (she came wearing a collar), so maybe that will help a bit, and she loves Seraquin.
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sending a sneaky little cuddle for Rosie from Paddy. :hug:
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Thanks - I was doing some reading on steroids last night, and am even more reluctant to use them than I Was before, so I suppose it depends on the vet now - I missed her call yesterday. She is eating better now I have put her back on adult food, it just means she will start gulping more again. STill playful and bright, she even went outside last night (first time of her own accord when it hasn't been sunny), and I have convinced her to sleep in front of the radiator again.
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That's great Desley. Am pleased she's playful, bless her. I always take that as a good sign.
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Yeah, and I am even more pleased now that she is eating more, it must have just been the Senior food she was fed up of, despite buying her different flavours.
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I know. Paddy sometimes drives me to despair, rejecting foods he liked one week and not the next, and I try and mix them up to give him variety.
Last night, he wanted some rather sweaty smoked salmon pate from the leftovers of my lunchbox, which I was about to throw out. It was consumed with gusto! :innocent:
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Blip is exactly the same. She will frequently turn her little nose up at a variety that she ate with gusto (I love that expression, too) two days before :)
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She is still eating well, so will give her a day or so on adult food before giving her some more senior food. She is currently enjoying food in gravy, which I have never let her have (am glad, cos no one else in the house likes it!!), no signs of it not agreeing with her yet either.
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Im glad shes doing ok. Mogs was given synoquin as glucosomine but the capsules are huge so we've kind of given up. Mogs hasnt crouched to wee for years. She prefers to stand so I now have covered trays. I got the ones from PAH with a high base as she managed to aim directly at the seam so when you opened the tray it was yucky :sick:
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Tab, you might want to try Seraquin instead, they do go down well here, and Rolo liked them too (wanted to see if they really were chewable tabs - he only has two teeth, and loved it!!). VetUK only charge £7.79 for 60 tabs (the downside is their minimum order is £9!!). I might try those trays for Molly, she is wonderful at making a mess despite a covered tray, and does manage to hit the seam!!
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Sounds like she just fancied a change (or has you wrapped round her little paw Des!) Bless her
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Yeah, she is still being picky with Senior, but will happily eat other foods, and is playing l (she got another new toy today, it was only a 30p ball, but she loves it!!), plus she has been pottering outside in the warm weather.
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plus she has been pottering outside in the warm weather.
That to me is the best therapy of all. Bless her heart :Luv:
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It is probably the one thing that will make her feel the best, although the thing that warms my heart most is watching her play, especially as her owners comment about playing was 'she doesn't play, she is too old'. I did say 'must go and tell that to my 15yo, who loves to play', but did think it was rather sad. Must send her owner a pic of her playing in the sun. I did wonder the other day whether i was doing the right thing keeping her going, but watching her playing last night and this morning, and going out makes me realise that she still has a good enough quality of life, even if she does seem determined to shun anything that will help take the strain off her kidneys, so how long she has is debatable. Am just glad she sees the Seraquin as treats so doesn't object to those!! I might just keep her on 2 tabs a day even after the initial 6 weeks. She has even enjoyed being hoovered again tonight, no idea why she likes it, but she does seem to.
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Bless her it is so lovely that she is enjoying life and the toys and sun. She is making her own choice I suppose Des and as long as she is happy, Long may the sun shine on little Rosie cat
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Im so glad Rosie is enjoying herself Des.....she certainly sounds like she is having some good quality time...Its a shame her owner's never knew she liked to play....there is one thing to own a cat but to care for there all round need's is another! ;)
Please give Rosie a hug from me and mine! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Thanks - I got her some new food yesterday, and she has wolfed it - I just hope it doesn't affect her tum. Protein content isn't good, so I might have to alternate it for her. I know, I can't believe she loves to play when her owners said she didn't, poor Rosie. AT least she is getting the chance to play now though.
Will do.
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Maybe she didn't feel well and happy enough to play at her previous home? Why did they rehome her Des?
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i doubt it, they had had her from a kitten, and as she has been reluctant to take anything here, the only difference is her food (they just fed her normal whiskas, she hasn't had much of that here!!). They were emigrating MM, so all 3 of their cats came to us, but Kelly had the younger two.
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Too old to play.......? Amazing.
;) Good on you Rosie!
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I know!! Zi doesn't play much, but Molly does, and she is also 15. Just a case of finding the right toys for them, not all cats are like Rolo and will play with anythign!!
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My Pippa (unsure of age? :Crazy:) I thought she did'nt like to play and growling was her sport....until I got some feather's from the Purrs shop....Hand on my heart she now has a feather fettish! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Re the new food she wolfed down Des, maybe see if you can mix in a quarter of the low protein to disguise....better than alternating cos chance's are she will just want the tasty (but naughty) food! ;)
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I bought a feather on a stick for Rosie - she hates it, but fortunately Rolo and Moses love it.
I might try that tomorrow (they have chicken for their tea again tonight), but it is two different consistencies, so she might not go for that idea. and might even realise what I am doing!! She has had a week of Seraquin though, and is crouching more to wee (she has done it in front of me last night and this afternoon). She has also had some time sleeping on my knee, which she likes, but I have to initiate, and she only seems to settle in teh cat room, so she is going to hate it when a new foster comes.
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Ah sounds like the seraquin is starting to kick in! Hopefully she will crouch down properly in a while and the overshotting probs will be solved! ;)
I can definitely see Rosie being upset by a new foster....Hopefully a new foster will not be of the challenging type and not bother her! :wish:
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It does - I am swaying towards keeping her on 2 a day after her 4-6 weeks.
WEll, it isn't so much that a new foster will upset her, more that she wont be able to go in the room as much. I don't really want to take on another foster till Moses or Rolo is rehomed anyway.
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Please can you send vibes for Rosie - she has just brought up all her breakfast (although she was nice to me and got it in the bowl and on the newspaper), I am going to watch her for the next week, but I have said from the start that once she starts vomiting from the CRF, I will let her go.
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I hope this is just a hiccup Desley, but am sending lots of healing vibes for Rosie, bless her. :hug:
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Me too Sue, as she is bright and seems to have a good interest in life, but I can't let her keep being sick, and she wont always take her food with SEB in it.
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you are having a time of it Des. So hope it is just a blip with Rosie bless her. :hug: Lots of positive vibes coming
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I know, and there are no signs of it getting better!!
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Fingers and toes crossed for her :Luv:
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I hope it's not as serious as you fear, Desley :hug:
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I just wonder what the reasoning was for not putting her on Fortekor. Did the vet advise against it?
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Hope Rosie feels better , finger crossed for little girl. :hug:
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Well, no more sick.
Mark, I am sure I explained why my vet didn't want to go down the Fortekor route earlier on in this thread, I dont want to go back into that. Rosie has made it perfectly clear she isn't going to tolerate anything that will help her kidneys.
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Good news then Des. Keep it up little Rosie girl. How's me old mate Rolo doing?
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Yeah, she is very bright this morning. Not too bad, although i found some fresh scabs on him last night, so he obviously found someone to fight with!! I have someone from work coming on Sun, I suspect they are going to pick the two kittens, but I hope Rolo works his magic on them first.
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Sending positive vibes for darling Rosie~~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
.....and some re-homing vibes for Rolo~~~~~ :Luv:
Hope she continues to do well, and Rolo needs a new home, tell them the kittens are really naughty! :sneaky: ;) :shy:
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Best of luck sweet Rolo
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Just popping by with a little late night ear rub for Rosie. :)
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Thanks, she is tolerating senior food today, but missing the tray rather consistently now (well, judging by the amount of wet newspaper compared to wet litter). I might try her on the covered tray, but not 100% sure it will fit in the space her tray is. She has been outside today, and seems happy. No more sick either, which is good, she must have just eaten her food too quickly. There is some renal food in my Zooplus order, and some new senior food, so hopefully she will like one of them, if not, I have got her Whiskas senior and the HiLife pate she liked last weekend.
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:Crazy: I cant work out the tray thing for the life of me??? I take it the hooded tray will be deeper than your normal one when the lid is removed? If so Id try that first! ;)
Good news she is keeping the food down and enjoying a potter about! Stay well Rosie! :Luv: :Luv: :hug:
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Glad she is managing to keep her food down Des and that she is enjoying pottering outside. Lots of sunshine wishes for Rosie
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i know, she has managed to hit the tray perfectly overnight. Just gone to check the trays, and the one she has (the jumbo ones from Lidl's a couple of years ago) are actually deeper than my covered tray, and are the biggest in the house - maybe if I went and found the lip for it from the wardrobe that might help (as that is the reason I got them, as Molly has a habit of overshooting too, but these didn't stop her either).
Managing to get her to eat senior food again today, which is good.
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Hope Rosie's been enjoying a spot of sunshine today. :hug:
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Oh yes!! Sunbathing and playing in the sun. Bit pickier on the senior food at tea time, so supper shall be adult food. managed to get a couple of pouches of senior food into her, which is the main thing. It is nearly 2 months since her diagnosis, so in a month, I shall get bloods redone.
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Glad you got something into her Des. It's murder at times trying to get them to eat, and the right sort of things too. Paddy turned his nose up at fresh salmon this morning, but ate some leftover lamb chop tonight. :innocent:
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Positive Vibes for Rosie and fingers and paws crossed for Rolo getting himself a new home.
Good Luck
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me too - the senior food was by accident really though, I didn't have a fork to give her one of the small tins, so had to give her a pouch, and she had turned down the last HiLife one, so Senior was all I had left - she does seem to like food in gravy though I have noticed.
Doesn't look like Rolo has a new home sadly, which is a shame as the neighbours cat beat him up today.
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Glad Rosie is enjoying her food - did she get out in the sun? Poor Rolo.
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Poor Rolo, bless him. Sending a little hug for him this morning.
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Thanks, he was very quiet all of yesterday afternoon!!
Rosie is quiet this morning, hasn't got up off the bed to ask for her food yet, and wasn't that keen on her Seraquin. At least there has been no more sick, although she has missed the tray overnight
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Hoping that Rosie manages to get some food down her and is still not being sick! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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No more sick fortunately, but a bit fussy on her food, i am hoping it is just cos I was trying them all on the new food from Zoopllus, she is on Pilchards in tomato sauce now, although it looks like she has barely touched it - she seems to be a bit off her food in the morning.
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Do you think she might be feeling the heat a bit as well?
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See how she goes today now it has cooled down a little. Hope she starts eating again, Come on Rosie
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Come on Rosie Posie, eat your dins up for us :Luv:
Max didn't eat much yesterday, and spent most of the evening flaked out on the floor, think he was feeling the heat :)
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Sending positive vibes for Rosie~~~~~~you need your food! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hoping she is eating better! :hug:
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How's she doing Des?
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Hope she is doing ok. :hug:
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Sorry, things are hectic here with 10 cats to look after, and volunteers to interview!! Just got a few minutes to myself while I eat. She is still picky with her food, to the stage I have no idea what to try on her. She is still very bright and playful though, and tucked into the Orijen this morning, while ignoring the Almo Nature senior. Given her chicken and cheese Applaws for tea, need to go and see what she thought of that - she does seem to like her food with extra water in, and also likes gravy food.
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Oops...forgot about the new additions! :shy:
Good way of getting extra fluids into her if the wetter the better! Glad she is enjoying herself anyway Des! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Methinks she knows if she doesn't eat what you give her you will try something else! Anyway glad she has eaten today and is taking fluids
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Wish I could forget about them, they are sooo lively, I went to sleep hearing them bouncing off the door and woke up to it too!! I am glad that she lives in the bathroom with liking extra water in her food, sometimes I can add 3 lots before she eats it all up.
I wont try something else till the evening MM, she either eats her meal or has to wait, I dont want her to think that I will change it if she wont eat it.
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Just popping by Desley to give Rosie a little ear rub this morning. Hope you had a bit of sleep, at least! :)
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Thanks Sue, give one to PAddy for me. She ate more dry than wet overnight, she really likes Orijen - but didn't seem to drink that much, so am going to have to restrict that.
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Sending Rosie a fuss, and you a giant hug Desley. You must be sooo tired! :tired: :hug:
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Thanks - I am down to 9 cats now, I dont know how other people do it. Just waiting for phone calls for the rest of the mum and kittens now. her owners should have been back yesterday.
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Thanks - I am down to 9 cats now, I dont know how other people do it.
No, nor do I. One cat runs me ragged :evillaugh: Hope you get some good rest over the weekend.
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No, nor do I. One cat runs me ragged :evillaugh: Hope you get some good rest over the weekend.
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Me too
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WEll, back down to 5, but not much chance of a rest, as i am doing Race for Life tomorrow, need to be out of the house for 9!!
Got Rosie some doggy pads today, the Range were selling 14 for 4.99, so thought I would give it a go. Was glad when I Went to put one down, as she had missed completely with a wee, and the newspaper I put down this morning wasn't enough. lets hope these are better. She can squat, as she does it in front of me, I watched her do it either last night or Thurs night. her legs can't be that bad at the moment as she has been quite active today, she has been downstairs at least twice today and has just come in my room.
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not much chance of a rest, as i am doing Race for Life tomorrow,
You should have posted this up on the forum! Can I sponsor you?
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I'd be happy to sponsor you too Des.
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I only got the form on Mon, and hardly had any PC time since then. i dont know how to set anything up online, but I suppose if you want to send something in the post, that would be fine. Will go and do a general thread.
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WEll, she was pottering about outside earlier, and seemed to be limping on her front right shoulder, so i have to decide whether to go down the medication route for her arthritis now, i didn't really want to do this in case it makes her kidneys a lot worse - she has had nearly a months worth of Seraquin now. i might also have to bring her blood tests forward, i was going to do it next month, as it is 2 months since her diagnosis. She is eating more senior food now, and I have given her a mix of renal and senior food for tea - she ate some, then put mousey in the food. Mixed some more water in to try and tempt her.
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Good news she is getting her eating into order, sorry to hear her arthritis seems worse! :( Hope it was just an off day for her! Good Luck with the blood results when they are done! :Luv: :hug:
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sending a little cuddle this morning for Rosie, and hope you're not too stiff either Desley. :hug: :)
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Thanks - she doesn't seem as bad this morning, so hopefully yesterday was just a one off, and i will just speak to the vet rather than book her in.
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Great news that she does not seem as bad today! :wow: Yes better off having a word with vet rather than taking her in without maybe needing too! Sending sunshine vibes for your area Des~~~~~I know she likes her basking! :Luv: :hug:
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Receptionist wanted to book me in, i have done it for Thurs to give me some time to work out whether I want to go down the med route. I took her outside last night, so she had some sort of sun.
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Desley, hope Rosie is doing OK. It's really hard to know what to do for the best in these sort of situations. :hug:
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Hope she continues to do well. Come on Rosie girl
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hope Rosie got some sun today. Would seraquin really make her kidneys worse? It's always such a juggling act isn't it when they have multiple health probs. sending lots of positive sun vibes :hug:
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Seraquin wouldnt', but if it isn't working, or not enough to help her, then we would have to go down the medication route, which is either steroids or Metacam, both of which have side effects. If I dont want to go down teh medication route, then I have to consider her quality of life for living with painful joints and no respite from it. No sun unfortunately today.
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Des we are on the steroid and antibiotic route with gracie and so far it is working add in the cat milk, and ALd this old bird is doing well
I know the steroids is not the best route but Gracie is free from pain at the moment and living life to the full
So in the end we weighed up her happiness free from pain with her lump be it abcess or tumour and she is doing well, yes its a pain for the fortnightly trips to the vet - we go 4 weekly but the vet is now thinking of giving us the injections to do as we have coped so well with our diabetic boy so maybe if they will go the same route with you less vets trips and they do forgive you in the end!
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IF it wasn't for her CRF, I wouldnt be as bothered by steroids, but I can't risk the main side effect, which is weeing and drinking more, she can't afford to wee anymore than she already does. Yes, it might not happen, but she is one of my cats, and has already been diagnosed with CRF and arthritis in the 3 months she has been here, and her arthritis has already got worse. i need to get the vet to check her teeth again, as if they have got worse, it is another issue to worry about.
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Hope all goes well with the prospect of all the medical issues.....hope her teeth are okay too! You sound exhausted! :hug: :hug:
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Hope things are ok for little Rosie posie
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Thanks, I am not looking forward to tonights vet visit. She has started to sleep in odd places again, shunning the nice comfy bed in front of the rad for the floor in front of the bath.
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I hope every thing goes well with little Rosie's vet visit tonight. :hug: :hug:
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Went to the vets tonight, she does have a crackling right shoulder, to go with the back knees. Vet is reluctant to give her anything for the arthritis cos of her kidneys. She also has a swollen belly, and a low temp, so is on antibiotics as apparently CRF cats can get secondary infections. Once she is off the ab's, we are going to look at re-doing her bloods, as obviously CRF is a progressive disease. She is still choosing to shun the bed in favour of the hard floor, which wont do her joints any good at all!! I am really wondering if I am doing the right thing by her, seeing as she has two conditions tht we can't do a lot about, and even if we could, they aren't treatable. She is going to hate the meds like she did last time, and I dont want to have to fight with her to get meds into her, I want her to enjoy her time here and be happy.
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Desley, just sending some gentle hugs for you both tonight. :care:
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Bless her, my dog used to like to lie in hard places when she had arthritis. Hope she is feeling better tomorrow.
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Sending you and Rosie :hug: :hug:.
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Aw bless her Des....You are the one who sees her everyday, you are the one who can judge her condition....you will know when the time has come! :hug: :hug: :hug:
I do hope that the downside of her conditions let up for a good while and let her enjoy some good quality time she has left.... :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
> To the both of you..... :hug: :hug: :hug:
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This is the problem though BM, i dont know the 'real' Rosie, I have only known the 'poorly' Rosie. i think I will swap her bed, it might be cos it is a thick donut bed that she is struggling. I think her lack of eating in the morning might be more due to it being painful to get up, and she is preferring Pate style food now, so despite 3 boxes of Senior food, I am on the hunt for something else.
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I wish I could think of some words of wisdom for you regarding Rosie. It's such a difficult thing to judge if you haven't known a cat very long. Hoping things become clearer for you soon. Big fuss to Rosie.(and the others of course!) :hug:
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Bless, hope a different bed helps it must be very uncomfortable
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Des have you tried a flat bed or blanket folded - this is what Gracie likes and to get her to eat we put her A/d on a saucer and take it to her so she can eat in bed and then get up later to eat the rest of the food downstairs
We pander to her every whim and at least we know what she eats for one good meal a day
Can't the vet give you something in injectable for so that she can associate the injection with a treat on her own with you just a thought as you sound quite despondant about the situation
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I wonder if something like this orthopaedic bed might help her?
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/0351010/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CGarden%2C+DIY+and+leisure%7C9554618/c_2/2%7Ccat_9554618%7CPetcare%7C9554691/c_3/3%7Ccat_9554691%7CCat+beds%7C9554698.htm
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That is her 'second' bed Liz, but she has shunned that this week, choosing to sleep next to it instead. She has been on her donut bed today, cos her blanket is in the wash. I am dubious about starting taking food to her too much, as she needs to move or she is going to get stiffer, which is going to make her worse, and also I wont be able to judge when her legs do get worse. She has had a good afternoon though, and has come downstairs to enjoy some sun and she did nearly make me late for work though cos she wanted to play. i really dont like the thought of injections, she struggles enough with a tablet, I would hate to have a needle, especially as I only have one pair of hands, and I have to think about how much i want her to associate me with, i have had cats in the past who have hated medications and then hated me, which I cant have.
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Hope darling Rosie is having a better time lately! ....and yourself of course? :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Nope, her eating is worrying me, she hasn't cleared her bowl since Thurs night (and she had been starved in case the vet wanted to do bloods, not really that much of a good sign), she was close with her Applaws yesterday, but then brought part of it back up, so not sure how much she got, and she can't have that all the time cos it is complimentary. REally struggling to know what to give her, she has had 6 kinds of food this weekend, and can't decide whether to use the app I have tomorrow for her (Clover doesn't really need to go now), or give her a few more days, and take her on Thurs. Vet didn't think it was her teeth, so it is either her kidneys, arthritis, or the bloatedness she could feel in her liver area. My family of course think that I should accept it is her time, but I am not sure about that either, I am going to have to get bloods done this week, as I dont want to make a decision without knowing what is going on internally, but if they show that her liver has issues as well as kidneys and arthritis, then I will make that decision, I dont think it would be fair to try and keep her going with 3 untreatable conditions.
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Sorry to hear that Rosie's still not eating properly, I think doing bloods again is a good idea, then at least you might know a bit more what you're dealing with, whether its the kidneys, or pain of arthritis making her feel poorly :hug:
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As always Des its a hard decision to make but you know Rosie best
We are lucky Gracie is still eating for Britain all be it a bit messy - she dribbles a lot but loves her A/d and cat milk and any treats are now cut very small or mashed to oblivion but she is still happy in herself so for us the decision is not so close
My thoughts are with you and Rosie :hug:
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REally struggling to know what to give her, she has had 6 kinds of food this weekend, and can't decide whether to use the app I have tomorrow for her (Clover doesn't really need to go now), or give her a few more days, and take her on Thurs.
Personally, I would get her in sooner rather than later, at least with talking to the vet you will be able to decide what is best for her and whether a decision has to be made :hug:
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Wishing all the best for you and for Rosie. I am sure you will know when the time has come to make that final gesture of love. :hug:
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I'm so sorry things are so tough with Rosie. Sending lots of hugs :hug:.
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I got home to take her to the vets, and had a quick scan of the food bowls, she had barely touched the wet food, eaten some of the dry but not touched the water bowl, and it was quite warm in the bathroom. Vet confirmed that she was dehydrated, and did the blood test - her blood was quite thick, so she is suspecting that her kidneys are worsening. REsults should be back around lunch time tomorrow, although they may do them earlier for me, Zi's were back at 11ish. I am really dreading them. She isn't eating much still, and I am running out of ideas to give her, but I have syringed some water into her, and she has been taken outside tonight.
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Des have you tried warmed Liquivite or failing that cat milk - both are helping Gracie with the fluids and neither can really do much harm
Also another staple for us is liquidised kitten food with added Evapourated milk - Gracie loves this
Just a thought and at this stage anything that gets them to eat or drink is a bonus - Gracie is currently having her secret bowl of cat milk with me in the study she is on a bottle a day for herself!
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She had cat milk when she first came, as her owner told me she was fine with milk - she had diarrhea. I had debated it again tonight, but diarrhea could be the worst thing for her. I dont have Liquivite in, as I haven't had a cat that liked it yet. I have bought some sliced chicken just for her, she wasnt that keen on it, she started licking Mose's leftover Biopate with water, but didn't take much of that either.
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Sorry things aren't looking well for Rosie.
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Des, I hope everything goes okay for her tomorrow :hug: With regards to cat milk, how about trying her with Cimicat or Lactol? This may be good for getting her strength up and may also be okay on her tummy ;)
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Poor little Rosie, I hope the news is better than you are expecting Des
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It isn't soemthing I have in Dawn, going to have to wait and see what the results say. Her belly didn't feel any better last night after the ab's, so it depends if that is caused by her kidneys or if her liver has started to have issues.
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Dont really have much to say here med/food wise.......like I said before not being sick is good but if she is not eating well then it isnt weighing itself out evenly! :(
Best of wishes for her results.....atleast with the bloods back you will have more of an idea what is going on! Good Luck! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks - her kidneys are worse, but not dramatically, it is her globulin that is worrying, as that is higher, and is indicative of some kind of infection going on, or it could be that her arthritis is worsening, and that is a contributing factor. Vet has given me some different antibiotics and an appetite stimulant, and I have managed to get a decent amount of food into her tonight, so not used the appetite stimulant yet. She still isn't drinking water by herself, only what I am adding to her food, which isn't good, and it is very out of charcter for her, she has always been a good drinker - it isn't stopping her weeing though, although she hasnt pooed since yesterday. I still think we are coming to the end, unless these meds magically work - we have a 6 day course.
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Desley, I think I've said it before on this thread. You'll do what you think is right for Rosie to ensure she has a good quality of life.
:hug: Sending you a hug, because it's such a difficult time for you.
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Thanks - her kidneys are worse, but not dramatically, it is her globulin that is worrying, as that is higher, and is indicative of some kind of infection going on, or it could be that her arthritis is worsening, and that is a contributing factor. Vet has given me some different antibiotics and an appetite stimulant, and I have managed to get a decent amount of food into her tonight, so not used the appetite stimulant yet.
I know you said Rosie is crap for medicating but Mark has mentioned numerous times about Clapton not eating until he went on the Fortekor, I would definitely give it a go and if so, persevere with it and I'm sure you will see a big difference in Rosie. As regards to the appetite stimulant, I know you've got her to eat tonight but I would get her started on this asap before she goes downhill any more. It's much easier to encourage them eating when they are feeling well enough in themselves, if they go beyond this, it's a :censored: nightmare regardless of a stimulant.
Modified to add You said all her 3 conditions are untreatable but with medication they are all controllable and I hope for her sake, you manage to sort something out for her so she can have some quality of life.
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I agree with that. 18 months ago, I thought we were going to lose Clapton. I took advantage of the steroid jab he was given as an appetite stimulant. I agree it is difficult to medicate at times but the pill hidden in a piece of chicken skin usually does the trick. Clapton went from a poorly cat that only wanted to curl up and avoid life to the cat that was chasing a paper ball round the garden at 6.30 this morning. One of the problems with CRF is the toxins build up so they feel nauseous all the time. It opens up the arteries around the kidneys allowing the body to eliminate the toxins. Now, unless I told people, they would never believe that Clapton is ill. I know Rosie has other complications but with a healthy appetite, it's a lot easier to hide meds in food. I know some people on here even give Seraquin as a treat as their cats love it so much.
I understand how wearing it is with a cat that won't eat and is constantly sick but it has to be worth a try.
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DD, the vet wont prescribe Fortekor, so it is irrelevant how well it works on other people's cats - and it does also have side effects, MM lost one of hers to Fortekor. She has had both the appetite stimulant and ab's this morning, as well as more a/d.
We can't treat her arthritis with anything more than supplements, as the vet is reluctant to give either steroids or Metacam, as both can make her kidney failure worse, so the only option is supplements, but as her shoulder developed while on them, I have no faith in them.
I am suspecting her teeth, as she is now refusing to eat her treats, so will tell the vet when I give her the update she wanted. I dont know if these ab's will help that, as they are ones I have never used.
Incidentally, i did try and hide Sundays ab in a treat, she ate round it and spat it out, and that isn't the only one I have found spat out.
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Des have you tried cream cheese and crush the tablet and mix up - works on 2 of our ferals for worming - they sussed the meat wrapped ones although the others eat that - both are strong willed girls - a tabby and a ginger!
Des I would be asking the vet for the 2 week injection at this stage to lessen you having to tablet or ask for the vet for injectable antibiotics - that way she can associate the injection with a treat rather than I fight to get the pill in her mouth twice a day
Injections aren't scarey to give and the vets will usually to show you and let you practice with a distilled water syringe
Our vets load up the needles for us should we need this and we store them in the fridge!
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I just feel there are people on here with a hell of lot of experience who have all offered advice, and none of it seems to be taken on board :tired: I haven't got a clue when it comes to CRF and I wouldn't like to be in your position, I know if any of my ferals came down with it, the kindest thing would be to pts because I just couldn't treat them :'( With the toxins build up due to her kidneys, she must be feeling absolute :censored: and apparently they're meant to feel like they've got a constant hangover, if you can get on top of this and make her feel better in that respect, you will be half way there. Good luck anyway :hug:
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I think most of the advice has centred round Fortekor which Des say the vet wont prescribe so it is irrelevant. Perhaps you could try the various methods of getting pills in her suggested Des cos just one of them might work. With my dog Dairylea spread cheese always worked and failing that Philadelphia was good. If it is the arthritis causing her pain doesn't heat help? Maybe a snugglesafe or hot water bottle? You will do what is best for little Rosie I have no doubt about it and my heart goes out to you at this awful time :hug:
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Another good pill suggestion I discovered recently was either the defurrum treats, or the similar fresh breath ones, if you break them in half then pop the pill (if its small) between the pieces, its quite a good disguise. Max is a real pain with tables, and this, alongside wrapping in a small piece of cheese, are the only things which work.
Good luck :hug:
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DD, the vet wont prescribe Fortekor, so it is irrelevant how well it works on other people's cats
What was the reason for him not prescribing it to her? I've not noticed it on the thread so sorry if you've already posted why :-:
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i am deliberately not posting my vets reasons Dawn, as it will only cause a debate that I dont need. One thing I do want to say in response to some of today's posts is a reminder that Rosie has only been here 3 months (think it was the 20th March when she came), her owners told me she was perfectly healthy, and yet it was obvious to me from Day 2 that there wasn't something right due to the amount of water she was drinking, but she was too bloated from diarrhea and worms for the vet to pick it up, her owners had also dismissed her legs as just something she only did when she woke up, so I am trying to do my best in picking up someone else's pieces and treat a cat that barely knows me, and I dont know that well, and I have never known her as a healthy cat. I sometimes regret posting about Rosie, as I have had so much grief on this thread for not wanting to take people's advice, when none of you know her (well, 2 members on here have met her, dont think etiher have posted though), and advice is simply that, something for me to read, digest and decide IF it will work for HER, as not everything works for every single cat.
I have spoken to the vet yet again today (that makes every day this week so far, and she is the only one to have seen her and know the full extent of her test results, as I have never posted those either, so the best person for advice), who has said that the meds should make a difference by tomorrow, and if htey dont, she wants to see her again. I have decided that if she is still not drinking by herself tomorrow, and her eating habits haven't improved, then tomorrow will be her final visit, she will have had ab's for the best part of a week then (apart from the one I found spat out, and the day she was sick), and if she still has an infection, I am not being fair to her, as we dont know where this infection is to try and do anything else to treat it. I hope that there is a difference, so we can have some more time, I didn't want to have to go through this again so soon.
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Tend to agree - every cat is different. What works wonders for some cats just makes others miserable.
Hope things improve for Rosie and you, Desley. :hug:
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Hope things are better for little Rosie today Des. Perhaps you could try asking the vet what she would do if it was her cat? That's what I always try to do. Whatever the outcome you have done your very best for Rosie and have given her love and some fun in her life. Fingers crossed she can have more time in the sunshine. :hug: for you and :hug: for Rosie
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I have done that in the past MM. Something has worked, she has eaten a decent amount of food overnight (caught her pinching my cats dry food cos she had eaten all her wet), but has only just started drinking water, and I am not sure it is enough to offset the dry she had last night as well as the dehydration, but will see what else she drinks before I leave before deciding whether to book her in tonight or not. She even spent some time on my bed last night, which she has never done before at night.
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Sorry Desley I was staying out of it. I have met Rosie and thought she was a happy friendly little cat but as I have no knowledge of the conditions she has I cant give any advice. All I will say is that all anyone can do is go with their instinct and advice from the vet who has seen her. If the vet has a reason for not giving a medication I have to trust that vet is right and that the medication may do more harm than good. Rosie hasnt been with you long and it took Mogs a year or so before she trusted me enough to realise that when I gave her tablets it made her feel better and wasnt just because I enjoy sticking things in her mouth.
I hope whatever today brings is the right thing for you all :hug:
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I am glad she has eaten well Des. Also had a drink, let's hope she drinks more today and continues to do so. Come on little Rosie we are all behind you here
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Come on little one :Luv:
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Im rooting for Rosie here Des....Last year I had a CRF cat and fortekor was prescribed and unfortunately did nothing what so ever (apart from stress her out having to have tabs)....I agree that what works for one may/wont work for another! :(
Very best of luck to Rosie that she continues to eat and get more fluids down her....I always consult with the vet if they think I am being fair or not, luckily I have trust in my vets and I go with their judgement. :) I know you have been in close contact with the vet so you have good guidance for her well being! ;)
Fingers crossed for her and hugs to you! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks all, she hasn't drank as much while i have been out, but has eaten, so i have told the vets I Dont want to bring her up tonight (dont think she would have appreciated me dragging her out in heavy rain anyway!!), but will take her up tomorrow night/Sat morning if she isn't drinking any more. She has played with me though, and has had a potter round.
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How's little Rosie this morning?
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good luck with Rosie. I hope that her eating and playing a bit is a good sign.
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Fingers crossed that Rosie is able to get more fluids down her! C'mon girl you can do it!!! :Luv: :Luv: :hug:
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We have had a bad night since I got home, i found some food she liked this mornign, and was all ready to go and get some more, but though I would give her the other half a tin before I did, and she decided she didn't really want to eat, and the amoutn she has weeed today is unbelieveable. I went to check her for dehydration, and she was very annoyed with that, and went for me (fortunately, her teeth aren't sharp at all), and has snapped at the ohter cats tonight. There is also a faint wee smell from her and her bed (I did think I smelt it on her the other day, but the bed was dry, so I thought I was imagining things - she has weed in her bed and slept in it before), and I Think she has got to the stage where she is weeing so much she can't drink enough to keep herself hydrated, nor can she get comfy, as she is sleepig in odd places that she has never bothered with in the 3 months I have had her. Unless things magically improve this weekend, she will be going up on Mon, and if the vet advises it, it will be her final visit, I do feel as though it is time now.
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Although I really want to pray for the magic Des...something from somewhere is telling me her days are shortening and it just dosnt feel fair to will her on when she is like this! :( She is obviously starting to go downhill and when a cat is prepared to lie in its own wee there is definitely something up....Hope she has a nice and pain free as possible weekend....will be thinking of you both!!! :hug: x
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Thanks BM, I have that feeling now. She is still on the sofa, which is nice, I have just never got her to spend so long on there, and I hope she can find the tray if she needs to go - the downstairs one doesn't have anything under it though, so will know if she misses that!! I hope she does too.
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thinking of you and Rosie :hug:
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I am sorry Des it must be awful for you. Poor little Rosie. Let's hope, if this is to be her last weekend, that she is comfortable.
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Desley, I feel a little like crying. It's really hard to watch a cat deteriorate and you always take oldies on. :hug: Hoping Rosie gets to spend her last weekend content and feels all that love that you give her. Well done for being so strong. :hug: If by any chance she does improve that'll be great but sometimes it's just time.
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Thanks everyone, I do feel it is time. She had a nice time on the bed this morning. She is picky with her food again, so might have to use the last appetite stimulant, but I am going to go shopping first, to see what I can tempt her with, she has already had one pill down her throat and would prefer not to do a second if I can help it. Have just rang the vets, they have made me an emergency appointment for Monday, as they were initially full.
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:hug: for you and :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for little Rosie posie
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:hug: for both of you, Desley, from me too.
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Hi Desley. Have just got back from hols about an hour ago and catching up on all of the threads.
Sending very gentle strokes for Rosie. x
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Very sorry to hear this Desley . :hug: :(
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Sorry to hear this Des. :hug: for both of you.
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Cant imagine how you must be feeling Des over this....I feel kinda hollow, so Im wanting/needing to give you both Big hugs... :grouphug:
Time is precious but so is life..... :'( Sorry I have gone to pot over this!!! :-[ (now having flashbacks of my oldies!!! Just incase you havnt realised Des I really think that to do this for so many is very horourable! ;) :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Thanks for all the good wishes. Will post a pic tomorrow of Rosie being spoilt - i took her downstairs with me, and she didn't want to eat, so I opened the tin of sardines, and have fed her on the sofa!! I have also bought her some fresh chicken breasts for tomorrow.
Thanks BM, I think I am daft most of the time, but then Molly helps me to feel better, by reminding me of why I do this - she has been bought 2.5years so far that she wouldn't have had, and hopefully more to come.
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Pics from last weekend and this. She is currently on the bed (I put her there cos Mol and Zi weren't around, Zi did get growled and a paw out, but sneaked round her!!). She has barely eaten this morning though, she didn't finish her sardines overnight, gave her some Bozita, but she only licked at that, so I opened some food in gravy, and I think she has just licked the gravy off. She really struggled with the last a/b though, so am reluctant to try the appetite stimulant.
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Awww! :grouphug: to you both! :Luv:
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Thanks for sharing the pix Des, she looks so healthy too. Bless her. Hope it's ok at the vet tomorrow.
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Lovely pics Desley. Sending more gentle strokes for Rosie tonight. :hug:
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Thanks - she might look healthy, but her back legs have gone so thin and bony it was heartbreaking. She has muddled her way through half a chicken breast for her tea, just grabbing some of mine, and then I Shall go and get her some more. She has also had some sun this afternoon, both outside and finding a sunny patch in the bathroom.
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I know just what you mean. Am so pleased she's spent a day in the sun, bless her. Thinking of you both and sending lots of love your way.
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What ever happens tomorrow at least she has known what love is , and without you that woulednt have happened.
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Sending you and Rosie lots of :hug: :hug: :hug:
I do agree , she looks really well. So sad that she is not eating well :( So pleased she spent the day out in the sun and enjoying her self :Luv:
Thinking of you and Rosie , and i know you always do whats best for them. :hug:x
Sending positive vibes for Rosie's visit to the vets tomorrow.
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Thanks Pav - she didn't get the day in the sun sadly, although I suspect she was sunbathing inside for part of it, as that is where I have found her a few times this evening!! She doesn't want to eat the second half of her chicken breast, although I got some of the cooking water in her. i have also e-mailed her original owner to let her know what is happening.
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Please give her loads of hugs and cuddles from me and mine...... :Luv: :Luv: :hug:
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My thoughts are with you and little Rosie today Des. I feel so sad and hope that she has more time to sunbathe. Bless you both
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MM, she doesn't have any more time sadly. I wish she could have more time to sunbathe, but I know that it isn't fair to keep putting meds down her just to get her to eat enough. Ironically, it is 7 months to the date since I lost Tiger.
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I am so sorry Des you must be feeling so sad. You have done your best for Rosie and she has been a lucky girl to have you to care for her. I am upset so can only imagine how you must be feeling. Big :hug: to you both
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Desley: :hug: for you.
Hope everything goes OK for Rosie at the vets. I'm really sorry, I just can't think of the right words to say at a time like this.
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Desley :hug: for you both.
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Des hugs to you and Rosie and I hope shepasses peacefully to the Bridge :hug:
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:hug: Desley. I hope Rosie's end is peaceful.
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Thinking of you Des :hug:
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Good luck with Rosie Des, I've emailed you with a possible solution and I hope if nothing else, you have a think about it.
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I'm so sorry Des, you have given Rosie a fantastic life that she never would have had otherwise :hug:
Blessings upon you and Rosie at this tough time x :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Thanks - vet had a good feel, and her tummy was worse, god knows what was going on in there, but she was barely eating, so operating wasn't an option, and she confirmed her legs were very arthritic, and she was still dehydrated, which I expected with what she had eaten/drunk today. I had a quick look at her blood results, her kidneys had got worse, but it was the high globulin despite ab's that was the worrying part. She went very peacefully though, which is good. I shall start a thread in RB for her now.
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RIP Little Rosie. :'( :( x
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I know it's too late now but I wish to god she'd been given a chance in a foster home from the start :'(
:RIP: Rosie sweetheart and sweet dreams, xxxxxxx
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So sorry to hear this Desley. RIP & sweet dreams little one :hug:
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I should stress the reason for my post, it isn't meant in a nasty way but I still feel that if Rosie had gone to a cat free foster home from the start, with someone who had the time and patience to try her with the medications available, Rosie may now have been a different cat :'( I know Des's hands are tied in a lot of respects but I feel that Rosie deserved to be given the chance and she wasn't.
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Dawn I mean no offence but really think your comments are ill timed when Desley must be feeling so much pain right now. If that is what you think then perhaps it would have been best kept to yourself.
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I should stress the reason for my post, it isn't meant in a nasty way but I still feel that if Rosie had gone to a cat free foster home from the start, with someone who had the time and patience to try her with the medications available, Rosie may now have been a different cat :'( I know Des's hands are tied in a lot of respects but I feel that Rosie deserved to be given the chance and she wasn't.
I think Rosie's story was very sad................RIP Rosie - Bless You xxx
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At Desley's request this thread is being locked, Rosie has her own thread on Rainbow Bridge
http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=16155.msg276579#new
RIP little Rosie, safe and sound at the Bridge by now :hug:
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Helen locked this thread in good faith, but Desley has asked for it to be unlocked so that she can respond.
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I wanted to defend myself against Dawn's comments - while a cat free foster home would have been nice, I wish to god we had one, she wasnt' the only cat here who would have benefited from it. IT is only in the last 2 weeks that one has become available, but she couldnt have had outdoor access then, and she loved to potter outside in the sun. I would have tried the meds if I had thought that she would have tolerated them, and if the vet had thought it was the right way to go, but the lack of meds was nothing to do with lack of time or patience on my part, it was her tolerance levels, and we did try 6 different kinds of renal foods, as that is the route my vet takes.
One other thing I would like to say is that at least 3 of the local rescues wouldn't have touched her due to her age, and the one who do take in older cats have them in large rooms with lots of cats, which would have been so much worse for her, at least here she had a room by herself, with the option of mixing if she wanted, whcih as you can see on the pic of her on the bed, she did. I also have other pics of her outside with the others.
I also wasn't the person who owned her for 15 years, and thought she was a perfectly healthy cat, i suspected from day 2 she had kidney issues, and this is never an easy decision, but one done with her feelings in mind, the vet even said tonight that between whatever was going on in her tummy, her arthritis and her kidney failure, plus the high globulin levels, and dehydration, she would have been feeling crap, so I Dont think trying to stablise her to move her on again would have been fair to her, as it would have meant more meds that couldnt have been hidden due to how little she was eating.