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Title: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on December 29, 2007, 23:29:06 PM
I've got a kitten who's approximately 4 months old and has been absolutely fine.  The last week he's had 2 funny turns in that he'll stand up and start staggering around and really can't get his balance and his eyes darting back and too.  When he first did it I was all set for phoning the emergency vets and within a couple of minutes he was absolutely fine as if nothing had happened.  He then did it again a couple of nights ago and the same thing, he was fine but this lasted approximately 2-3 minutes.  He is going to the vets when Sean is there for a check over, as I really can't deal with any other vets at the moment without wanting to rip their heads off  >:(   I'm not sure if he'll find anything unless he is having one of his turns at the time.  Has anyone had any experience of this and if so, did it get worse?
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gwen on December 29, 2007, 23:35:32 PM
Sorry no advice but hope you get to the bottom of it all soon :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: chris91011 on December 29, 2007, 23:39:28 PM
sorry, can't help, just get him/her to the vet and explain to him/her what happened, good luck, hope he kitten is ok.
Chris
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 30, 2007, 01:05:57 AM
That sounds like a balance problem so could be ears or more likely neuro.

Do you have a video on your camera cos that would be best way of catching it.

Sounds like there is quite an urgent need to see a vet  :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on December 30, 2007, 01:13:36 AM
I was thinking it may be an ear problem Gill but I'm not sure, I think if it was neurological, it would be all the time as I've had a few cases of this before.  He's absolutely fine the rest of the time and is eating etc, I think Sean is in on Monday so he'll be going in then.  I was talking to Lesley earlier and she said she'd had one similar only the cat was older when it was happening and did grow out of it.   I think I'll try and get a video of him on my phone and then send it to Sean, but I'll have to wait for him to have another spell before I can do anything. 
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 30, 2007, 13:33:01 PM
The rapid eye movement and lack of balance is definately an inner ear problem in a human................could be a virus or an infection. although infections are normally painful whereas a virus is not.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn F on December 31, 2007, 13:32:32 PM
oh has an inner ear problem which flares up from time to time, he literally cannot stand up and his eyes dart from side to side reallly fast as his brain is trying to focus
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 31, 2007, 13:54:21 PM
I am very sorry for your OH Dawn cos I have one too......well had one, in theory its corrected now but was done too late and brain still cant balance me.

Has he had any treatment and do they know what the cause is?

Mine was due to a virus that killed something in my ear and bits got into the wrong part of the ear. An Elpley manoevtre which takes about 5 mins and is painless if done in the first two weeks of my balance going, would have made it better immediately.

I had one over a year later which has helped a lot although I am still not balanced properly and may never be again. They said it could take several years and I am only 3 yrs since the treatment.

Sorry back to DDs kitten...............I hope it can be sorted
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn F on December 31, 2007, 14:00:44 PM
well we did pay a consultant to put him in a chair and spin him around but because he didn't have a flare up at the time they couldn't really say so it was put down a virus, it isn't manieres (sp) but this is about all we found out, I didn't realise there was any kind of treatment, he is a bit run down at the mo and seems to be on the edge of an attack but I hope it comes to nothing
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 31, 2007, 14:26:16 PM
I also had to go private and had CT and MRI scans in NHS first so was under neuro but nobody would refer me to an ear specialist cos they thought I had a stroke! Because there was slight blood vessel damage they still thought that I had a minor one at some time but never repeated the scan when they should have to see if there was new damage!

I would ask your doctor to refer you to one or next time he has an attack shove him in the car and rush him to A&E.......it should be worth the wait cos that way I think you will end up seeing the right person, The consultant I saw of course was an NHS guy.

Ahter the treatment he also sent me for hearing and balance tests and thats how he knew my balnce was OK again although my brain didnt understand.

There is lots of info about balance problems on the web and thats how I was sure my doctor was wrong and I also had a previous virus and I collapsed in the street and taken to hospital.

Stick balance problems or dizzyness into a search and then gradually wade through it all, most of best info ius from the states and there are some check lists where you can compare symtoms.

What my doctor and nuero couldnt understand was that I was falling and being pulled to one side but that was cos it was one ear!

I am sure he has tried the basic tests but if not make sure you are with him to stop him falling and take care:

Walking a tightrope...............put arms out at sides right angle to body and walk heel to toe as if doing a drunk test................I can do this sometimes now but when you wobble and fall about you are definately unbalanced.

Stand with arms out infront of you and close eyes..............with balance problem you fall............I fell left cos it was left ear but you need to make sure you can catch him and have a chair behind so you can sit him down.

Sit in chair close eyes and try to touch nose with index finger of each hand alterantively.......................couldnt do this at all

Certainly the rapid eye movement is a sign of a balance problem, if it is true vertigo I dont think this can be cured but there are so many other things and an MRI scan would show if there was any damage in the brain that maybe causing this.

I dont know how long he has had this but I would insist if these attacks are frequent that the doctor refers him and if not get to A&E cos balance probs can be a sign of very serious stuff.

Does he have problems with change of position cos this is definatley a problem. Thats what I had the first time and had been like it on and off for about 3 weeks before I collapsed but it took about 4 months before the virus burnt itself out and I could work again. Its quite rare but they also had another person brought in a few days before me and they knew virus had come from Spain!
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn F on December 31, 2007, 14:33:50 PM
thanks Gill, he had his first attack about 3 years ago and has 4 attacks since (one in Spain) the most recent was October 2006 but he still has the odd dizzy day and has to take stematil the the sick feeling, it was an ear specialist he saw and he did say he would love to see him when he has an attack!
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on December 31, 2007, 18:54:19 PM
Jake has been to the vets and although his ears are fine, he has one kidney bigger than the other.  Trevor said this would indicate an infection of some sort but antibiotics should sort him.  I've got to keep an eye on him and try and get him on video if he has a turn again, he said usually the staggering and rapid eye movement signifies an infection in the brain of some sort but he's very alert and his eyes look okay so a case of wait and see.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 01, 2008, 15:56:12 PM
I hope Jake stays well  ;D
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 05, 2008, 21:57:27 PM
Jake had a bad turn whilst I was in work today.  Hubby said it was more like a violent epileptic fit, he then lay on the bed all stretched out just staring and meowing and his breathing very slow, after a few minutes, he was fine again  :-:  Sean wasn't on duty today but I rang him and he said if I take him on Monday, he'll do some bloods on him and check his glucose levels as well.  He said he could possibly have a shunt but the fits tends to happen after he's been sleeping and not after food.  In himself he is normal but when I came home from work to see him, he was meowing as soon as he heard my voice, I think the fit today really scared him as the others he's had he just seems to stagger  :'(
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 00:20:27 AM
Since Jake had his funny turn yesterday, he appears to have gone blind  :'(  He has twice walked off the work top in the kitchen this evening and I've tried waving my hand in front of him and there is nothing  :'(  Hopefully Sean will get to the bottom of it and find out whats going on, it makes me wonder now if he's had a seizure of some kind  :'(
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: ccmacey on January 07, 2008, 00:25:15 AM
Oh God Dawn thats awful, if it is that I hope it's just a tempory thing, how awful for him and awful for you too see.

Get well soon Jake, your in the best of hands.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 00:27:13 AM
Maybe this is why he wouldn't stop crying when he heard my voice yesterday  :'(  :'(  :'(  His eyes were checked by the other vet last Saturday and he was responding fine, I just can't believe this has happened to him  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: ccmacey on January 07, 2008, 00:35:43 AM
Could he be having an epileptic fit? Can cats have them? I suppose there would be drugs to control it as there is with humans.

Does he have a fave toy or something you could wave about and see if he goes for it?
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 00:37:55 AM
I've already got a cat that has epileptic fits and the first couple times he went funny, it was nothing like a fit but when I was in work yesterday, hubby said he was fitting like Midge does when she has hers.  He then lay there stretched out crying   :'(  I've tried waving a toy and he doesn't respond, watching him walking round he tends to turn at the last minute so he's obviously relying on his whiskers.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: ccmacey on January 07, 2008, 00:42:28 AM
Thats awful for the little fella, maybe better to put him in a pen for overnight.

Best of luck at the vets and I hope it's nothing too serious  :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 00:46:19 AM
Thanks CC  :hug:  To be honest, when he's upstairs he's been fine, he knows every inch of the bedroom and I think he'll be more comfortable sleeping on my pillow like he normally does.  He always snuggles up to me at night, and I think if he's on his own it will freak him out as he's not used to it. 
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 07, 2008, 07:38:36 AM
Aww, the poor baby. I wonder if it is worth getting his blood pressure checked, in case the fit has messed it up? That can cause blindness.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Mark on January 07, 2008, 07:51:44 AM
Fingers crossed for him today Dawn  :hug: - poor baby  :ahh:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Cheesecat on January 07, 2008, 08:47:50 AM
Oh no  :( poor baby.

I hope Sean can get to the bottom of this and sort out the poor lad  :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn F on January 07, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
poor little jake, hope he is ok
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: LesleyW on January 07, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
Just caught up with this thread Dawn, so sorry to hear about Jake.  Hope Sean can suss out what is going on today.  Will try to phone you later.

 :hug: :hug: to you and Jake.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 11:56:39 AM
Sean texted me earlier and he wants him at the surgery for 2 o'clock and he'll do all the bloods and whatever needs doing on him.   I hope he'll be alright bless him but his kidney is still very enlarged so it could be kidney disease causing it, as this can cause sudden blindness but I'm not sure if that causes fits  :'(  I had a good cuddle with him at 5 this morning but couldn't stop crying, hopefully the blindness is temporary and he'll be okay  :'(
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 07, 2008, 12:14:20 PM
Good luvk at the vets  :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Yvonne on January 07, 2008, 18:24:01 PM
How did you get on with Jake at the Vet's today??
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 18:48:27 PM
Jake has been to the vets but Sean isn't sure what's going on with him.  His Amylase is up, it should be between 300-1000 and his is 1120 and also his TBil, that should be between 2-10 and it's 50.  He's been FeLV tested because Sean thought that was why his readings could possibly be as they are.  He suggested a possibility of a shunt but he doesn't think it's this.  At first he suggested to monitor him and take him back in on Friday but if he had a fit in the meantime to phone him and we'd book him in.  The Shunt test is quite expensive so he didn't really want me forking out for nothing but whilst in there Jake had another fit so he's booked in tomorrow for the test.  If it comes back he's got a shunt,  Sean said he won't permit me to put him through the op because it's very expensive to do and he won't be able to do it anyway as he's never done one before.  I will have to wait and see what the tests shows and take it from there.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 07, 2008, 18:52:50 PM
I am pleased that Seam saw what happens to jake cos its better than hearing about it.

I do hope the little man will be Ok  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Bazsmum on January 07, 2008, 18:56:09 PM
Sending positive healing vibes to little Jake~~~~~~~ :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: gibraltarcat on January 07, 2008, 19:19:14 PM
Thinking of you and little Jake :hug:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on January 07, 2008, 19:52:59 PM
So sorry to hear this Dawn.  Does Sean have facilities for measuring blood pressure and, if so, has he done it?  I've no experience with kittens and obviously I could be way off beam, but in elderly cats CRF can cause high BP which in turn can lead to sudden blindness.  If its treated rapidly (with Fortekor I think) then the blindness is reversible but the longer you wait the less likely the chance of success.  Poor kidney function can cause siezures due to a build up of toxins so to my layman's eye this fits.  Worth asking about I would have thought even if I'm totally wrong.  Sending healing vibes to you both  :hug: :hug: :hug: 
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 07, 2008, 22:36:01 PM
I'm not sure Carol, I was in the vets for about 2 and a half hours today and my brain was haddled when I came out.  Jakes back in in the morning so I'll ask Sean about the blood pressure, it was one thing I meant to mention and it went out of my head.  He's going to do some research to see whether he can up with anything and let me know.  On Jakes blood tests, his kidneys are showing as fine and no damage which I was a little surprised about as his kidney is huge, I'll wait and see what happens tomorrow and keep you posted.  The problem is, if it's not a shunt, Sean thinks it could be something more sinister, he really doesn't know at this moment and said he will only give a guarded prognosis  :'(  He did make me laugh today as he was googling for info and he tells me never to look on the internet for info  ;)
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 08, 2008, 08:14:17 AM
Aww, fingers crossed - Ginger had his blood pressure taken once, it was about £12, and wasn't that hard - my vets shave a bit of fur off their paw, and put a little cuff round, like our blood pressure machine and they do a couple of readings a short time apart. He didn't appreciate it, but then I hate having mine taken too!! I do hope it isn't anything too serious.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 08, 2008, 10:46:09 AM
Jake's in the vets and Sean will be doing his bloods shortly, he'll be then fed and bloods taken 2 hours later.   I haven't managed to get a price on the test as it has to be sent off and it's not a common test that they do  :sneaky:
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 08, 2008, 18:47:01 PM
Jake is now back home and it's a case of wait and see what his shunt test show.  His glucose levels are low at 1.6 so now they are trying to determine why and what treatment he would need to stabilise it.  Not sure about his sight as yet, when Sean put food in for him today, he literally dived out of the cage at him to get at it because he could smell it, this was after he'd put it in, Sean had to literally put his head next to the bowl before he knew where it was.  I'm hoping his sight will return but may take at least a couple of weeks.  I've got a cat in tomorrow for spaying and I'll be going in the evening to pick her up, I'll have a chat with Sean then to see what the next step is with Jake.
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on January 08, 2008, 19:12:04 PM
Fingers crossed that this has a happy ending Dawn.  Give Jake a big :cuddle: from me
Title: Re: Any ideas on a kitten who's had a couple of funny turns?
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 05:09:14 AM
Jake has taken a turn for the worse  :'(  :'(  :'(  I'm really not sure whether he'll survive the night or what his outcome will be.  He'd been lying on a bed in the kitchen earlier, I went to pick him up and he was really floppy and started crying.  I phoned the vets and the only thing she said I could do is to rub some honey or syrup on his gums just in case this was down to his sugar levels or take him in to be pts  :'(  She said talking to Sean today they do think it's something serious, I feel a bit cheated by this because when I found out about his sugar levels, I thought the problem was solved  :'(  :'(  I've decided I don't want him putting to sleep just yet, if I do that, his chance has gone and then they'll be no turning back.  I had to go to Tesco's to get some honey for him and I took him with him so I could treat him asap, he's had two lots on his gums and in his cheeks and now I will just have to wait and see if this makes any difference.   Please keep your fingers crossed, I feel gutted for him as he's only a baby and I will be so peed off if after all this, it was something simple to sort and he loses his life over it  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2008, 06:10:19 AM
So sorry to read your post, I do hope the honey helped him recover. :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 09, 2008, 07:53:27 AM
Fingers crossed for him Dawn.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: pappilon on January 09, 2008, 07:58:45 AM
Thinking of you and Jake. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope he is better after the honey, please let us know how is he.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Yvonne on January 09, 2008, 08:25:35 AM
Good morning Dawn,

You have certainly been through it lately, I do hope that you are getting some sleep - I notice that your last post was about 5 am this morning.  There would be no supermarkets open round here at that time.

Hoping Jake improves today - please keep us posted.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Mark on January 09, 2008, 08:42:23 AM
Sorry to hear about Jake. Hopefully the honey has perked him up and Sean can sort him out this morning. Keep us posted Dawn  :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn F on January 09, 2008, 08:56:31 AM
poor Jake, has he made any progress?
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Cheesecat on January 09, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
I hope that Jake is doing better today Dawn and you find out exactly what is wrong so he can start to improve :hug:

come on little one you can do it :ahh:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on January 09, 2008, 09:15:16 AM
Hoping this little one pulls through.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: sheryl on January 09, 2008, 09:17:57 AM
Im hoping and praying that little Jake pulls through, positive vibes on the way and huge  :hug: for you xxx
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 09:18:49 AM
DD sending tons and tons of love and positive vibes to little Jake. come on little man we are all routing for you. With all these vibes you'll be the stongest kitten ever.

xxxxxxxxx to you, and a big   :hug: to your mummy DD xx
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 10:39:40 AM
Jake is literally hanging on by a thread today, I honestly thought he'd died, his breathing was that slow.  I took him up to bed with me and put him between us to keep an eye on him, as you can imagine we probably got about half hour sleep.  I texted Sean at 8 this morning to see if it would be worth trying him on a drip although I'm praying for a miracle on him.   Sean texted me back to say it was worth a go but he thinks it's more neurological with him and then carried on to tell me he is off work today because he is ill  :-:  I was gutted to say the least.  I got up to the vets and my worst nightmare happened as it was the vet that dealt with Jasmine, I really didn't have a choice  :censored:  :censored:  :censored:  She really didn't want to get him on a drip and I told her he was my cat, it was his last hope and I wanted the chance, she wanted to pts there and then but I stuck to my guns.  He is now on a drip and he has a heat mat under him, but I really am clutching at straws here but I'm hoping and praying god is on my side in this.  She told me she'll be on this evening with Sean being ill and if no improvement, she wants him pts  >:(  >:(   On the way home, I texted Sean again to tell him who I'd ended up with, he said he was going in and he would look after him for me  :Luv:  :Luv:  :Luv:  I think there must be a god after all  :)
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Cheesecat on January 09, 2008, 10:42:59 AM
  I think there must be a god after all  :)

Named Sean? :wish:

Still sending all the positive vibes I possibly can - wishing for the best for this little lad - well done to you Dawn for not giving up on him  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 10:48:33 AM
Named Sean? :wish:

He is my only hope if Jake is to get through this.  I told him not to think bad of me for trying this last one thing but he knows if there's any hope, I want to give it to him.  If he was an old cat, I honestly wouldn't put him through it but I can't bring myself to tell them to euthanise, I do feel bad but if he makes it, it's all worth it.  Sean also told me this morning that his glucose levels were normal the day before yesterday and yet yesterday they were below, I really don't know what's going on with him and Sean is at a loss too  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 11:02:15 AM
PTS what a complete cow. i thought Vets loved animals are were suposed to get them well.

All my thoughts are with you & Jake xxxxxxxx Come on little man FIGHT.  :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: LesleyW on January 09, 2008, 11:04:10 AM
Sending all the positive thoughts I can muster to Jake and you.  Everything is crossed here and you are doing all you possibly can for him.  Big  :hug: :hug: to you and Jake  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: swampmaxmum on January 09, 2008, 11:06:09 AM
My thoughts are with you and little Jake, Dawn.  At least Sean won't let the other vet bully you. You're giving Jake the best chance that you can.  :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 11:07:59 AM
I pointed out to her that sometimes miracles do happen and she said, they do have a say in how they treat animals and whether it was fair on them  >:(  I do understand this but the way she was saying it, it was implying I was being cruel trying him on a drip.  Her attitude to giving things a try is they are not really there to do that if an animal is on deaths door and chances are they don't pull through anyway  >:(  >:(  I'm sorry but I really can't stand the woman and would quite happily rip her head off, if Sean had that attitude, Shelby wouldn't be here today because she was on deaths door when he first saw her.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 11:09:24 AM
At least Sean won't let the other vet bully you.

I'm not the type to be bullied when it comes to my animals but I feel better knowing that Sean is there and he will support me whatever decision I make, but if he feels he isn't going to make it, I will probably listen to him.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on January 09, 2008, 11:20:25 AM
Oh Dawn you poor thing.  I was so hoping today's news would be more positive.  Sending bucketloads of healing vibes to Jake (and to you).  Your she vet sounds a real bully. She's can advise you but she's not God - she can't make you euthanase.  As you say, when you don't yet know what you're  dealing with how can you know there's no hope?  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
If she was my vet I would move else where and tell everyone loudly in the waiting room, that i was leaving beacuse she didnt want to treat him. I'd give my money to someone else who did. But thankfully Sean is there. :Luv:

Who is the practise owner??? is it Sean.

That is out of order, she should give him every chance possible that is why she is there to make him well. I feel she thinks, it's just a feral, and too much trouble, she only wants the ones that will take 2 mins, boosters, quick nail clip, yes he does have ear mites put this drops in.

EVIL EVIL  :censored: woman  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 11:43:41 AM
If she was my vet I would move else where and tell everyone loudly in the waiting room, that i was leaving beacuse she didnt want to treat him. I'd give my money to someone else who did. But thankfully Sean is there. :Luv:

Sean only works there, if he wasn't there, I would have told them to  :censored:  after the Jasmine episode.  Part of the problem I have with her now is she knows I am not happy with her, and it makes me wonder if her attitude is because of my outburst at her the other day and she also knows I think she's a crap vet.  The first thing she did when Jake was dripped up was put a heat mat in with him, chances are she has had a talking to about Jasmine so is not happy with me.  If you take an animal in, usually the vet who is on will take over their care and I know there is going to be slight undertones there today when Sean appears to tell her Jake will be one of his patients.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 11:52:43 AM
Put it this way...

I went on NHS to see a consultant I didnt like the way he spoke to me. So thankfully I was covered on Paul's BUPA so went private.

It is the same. If you are not happy, seek a second opinion go see someone else. You do it for yourself the same applies to your babes.

I always like to see the same vet, he gets to know them. She sounds a real horrid person and she should be proffessional and push what ever happened to one side, after all the cat is the important one. Sending a bit more love to Jake xxxxxxxxx
 :hug: :hug: to you DD
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Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
Today couldn't be helped really as Sean is ill and should be off work.  When I spoke to him yesterday, he was going to do some research and I was going to chat to him today about it.  Any appointments I make, 9 times out of 10 I will go in when Sean is there but I'm worried now because of the way Jasmine was treated.  He's told me if he's not there to text him and he'll give me a ring, if he's there and he's through the back, he will see me which makes me feel a whole lot better.   I felt bad texting him this morning at 8 and then finding out he was ill, I must be his worst nightmare  :-[ 
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 12:02:31 PM
Well these little mokey's come first no matter what.

Praying like crazy that Jake improves soon. xxxx
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Post by: Cheesecat on January 09, 2008, 12:10:49 PM
I don't blame you for wanting Sean's opinion though - from your previous experience I wouldn't want to go by what any of those others say!  :tired:

Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 12:13:01 PM
The problem is in a lot of vets, you do get jealousy when a client will only see certain ones, I found this in the other surgery when Sean was there because a lot of people would only see him.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 09, 2008, 12:37:51 PM
Your fist thoughts are with Jake and I do hope he pulls through  ;D ;D ;D

No point in other vets being jealous, its like any other job, the ones who are good and are liked by the client will get the work and its time the others started working that out and improving their customer service.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 13:15:48 PM
I really want to phone him up to see how he is but I daren't   :'(  :'(  :'(
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Post by: Rosiecat on January 09, 2008, 13:22:50 PM
I hope little Jake improves Dawn.

I am going to have to make sure Sean is there before we leave Lily tomorrow  :(

I have never been happy for my animals to see "any" vet and yes it does sometimes cause friction.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 13:23:55 PM
I really want to phone him up to see how he is but I daren't   :'(  :'(  :'(

DO IT NOW DD or else  :mad2: I know how you are feeling. Anxious, sick pacing the floor. Just phone.

 with my vets when they were in I spoke to the VN who were looking after them.
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Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 13:24:58 PM
I notice that your last post was about 5 am this morning.  There would be no supermarkets open round here at that time.

We have an all night garage which I tried first but they only had jam, I bought this and put some on his gums on the forecourt just until I could get to Tesco's which is approximately 10 miles away.  I really don't think it helped though as there was no improvement whatsoever  :'(
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 13:25:34 PM
I really want to phone him up to see how he is but I daren't   :'(  :'(  :'(

DO IT NOW DD or else  :mad2:


I may text him shortly, I really don't want to hear bad news  :'(
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 09, 2008, 13:32:46 PM
Thoughts still going out to Jake, and lots of love also xxxxxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 09, 2008, 13:37:39 PM
I am sure he would have been in touch if there was any news Dawn and maybe he is working on Jake now  :hug: :hug:

I am keeping good thoughts for little Jake  :wish: :wish:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2008, 15:03:22 PM
Sean sounds like a fantastic vet.  You obviously have complete confidence and trust in him.  Ignore the other silly woman vet - it's not her cat it's yours.  Please phone to put your mind at rest though I am sure that if anything really bad had happened you would have heard.  Best of luck my thoughts are truly with you and Jake at this dreadful time.  Sometimes tlc works wonders.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 09, 2008, 15:17:39 PM
My thoughts are with you and Jake Dawn  :hug: I love the sound of Sean!  :Luv:
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Post by: Felix (Caroline) on January 09, 2008, 16:12:46 PM
Will be thinking of you both :Luv: lots of love and hugsxxx
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 17:24:12 PM
Sean rang me at 3.30 to say Jake was going downhill, and the only kind thing that could be done for him was pts  :'(  :'(  :'( 

 :RIP: Little man, xxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 09, 2008, 17:27:17 PM
I am so very sorry Dawn  :hug: :hug:

RIP Jake
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Post by: lucy on January 09, 2008, 17:31:17 PM
So sorry.  :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: LesleyW on January 09, 2008, 17:33:43 PM
 :candle: RIP little Jake, you were too good for this world, play hard at the Bridge sweet boy, lots of  :hug: :hug: to you Dawn.

just made the candle work for you
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 09, 2008, 17:42:04 PM
Oh Dawn, I was hoping for good news, so sorry,  :hug:  :RIP: Jake
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Yvonne on January 09, 2008, 17:56:38 PM
Hi Dawn,

So very sorry - not the news that we hoped for.

I'm Free
Don't grieve for me, for now I'm free.
I'm following the path that has been laid you see.
I took the hand when I heard the call, 
I turned my back and left it all.

I could not stay another day.
To laugh, to love, to mew or play.
Tasks left undone must stay that way.
I found that peace at the close of the day.

If my parting has left a void, then fill
it with remembered joys.
A friendship shared, a laugh, a kiss.
Oh yes, these things I too will miss.
Be not burdened with times of sorrow.
I wish you the sunshine of tomorrow.

Perhaps my time seemed all too brief.
Don't lengthen it now with undue grief.
Lift up your hearts and peace to thee.
The Bridge wanted me now and set me free!

 :RIP:  Jake
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: JackSpratt on January 09, 2008, 18:28:45 PM
RIP, Jake. :RIP: You knew a lot of love in such a short time.

DD, so sorry for your loss. You did everything you could. :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: dolcetta46 on January 09, 2008, 18:38:13 PM
Ohhh so sorry.... :(  RIP Jake, you will be loved and remembered forever.  Play hearty over the bridge darling!!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2008, 18:41:21 PM
I am so very very sorry RIP Jake you were well loved
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Post by: gibraltarcat on January 09, 2008, 19:02:35 PM
I'm so very sorry, Dawn :hug: :hug:
RIP dear little man
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on January 09, 2008, 19:13:09 PM
So sorry to hear the sad news.  :RIP:   little Jake and  :Flowers: to you Dawn for trying so hard
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Post by: Roz on January 09, 2008, 19:50:29 PM
Bless you little Jake...you put up such a brave fight sweetheart but heaven wanted you more.  Go play in those sun-filled meadows where you will never feel pain again....just joy and love.

I'm so, so sorry Dawn...nobody could have tried harder for the dear little chap than you.  :hug: :hug:

R.I.P. dear baby Jake....you were loved so much and will never be forgotten.

Thinking of you both Dawn

Love

Roz
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Post by: Mark on January 09, 2008, 19:55:46 PM
Sorry Dawn   :'(  :hug:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on January 09, 2008, 19:57:08 PM
Such sad news.

R.I.P. little one.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 20:06:27 PM
Thanks for all your kind words everyone  :hug:

I am going to have to make sure Sean is there before we leave Lily tomorrow  :(

Sarah, it might be best just in case.   He was ill yesterday afternoon as well and he was supposed to be doing evening surgery tonight but he didn't, I didn't ask why though, hopefully he'll be okay to go in  :hug: 

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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 09, 2008, 20:09:02 PM
So sorry Dawn, he was obviously too good for this world  :hug:

RIP Jake, safe and sound at the Bridge until your Mum is ready to collect you xx
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Post by: pappilon on January 09, 2008, 20:57:48 PM
           :RIP:  Little Jake. :'( :'(

DD, i know you are heart broken , but think of all the love and care you gave to little Jake in his short life and i am sure he knew how speciall he was.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Cheesecat on January 09, 2008, 21:01:23 PM
Oh no, I have been checking this thread and opening it with fingers crossed today  :(

So sorry to hear about poor Jake Dawn - but nobody could possibly have put more effort into helping him than you did - sadly he wasn't meant to last long with you. You can be glad that he had you to look after him and care for him and love him until the end.

Thinking of you xxxxx
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Post by: ccmacey on January 09, 2008, 21:38:22 PM
Aww so sorry Dawn

RIP Jake, send your mummy a rainbow x
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Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 09, 2008, 22:32:09 PM
DD, i know you are heart broken , but think of all the love and care you gave to little Jake in his short life and i am sure he knew how speciall he was.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I just wish he could have been saved  :'(  :'(  I felt so optimistic last night about him thinking his sugar levels were the problem and that could easily be sorted, how wrong could I have been  :'(    When I can talk to Sean without bursting into tears, I'll have a chat to him, I know it's not going to bring him back but might it make it easier if we could shed some light onto why it happened.

Sean sounds like a fantastic vet. 

He is and I would trust him 110% and if I had my way, he would be the only one to treat my animals. 
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Post by: melysion on January 09, 2008, 22:51:11 PM
RIP little Jake
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on January 10, 2008, 01:40:14 AM
Really sorry Dawn, RIP Jake  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2008, 07:25:21 AM
I am so sorry to hear this Dawn, RIP little one,.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 10, 2008, 08:02:29 AM
Run Free little man. You was loved by many, even though we didnt know you xxxxxxxxx

DD :hug:x
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Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on January 10, 2008, 08:36:26 AM
So sorry to hear the news. Play hard at the bridge little one.

 :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on January 10, 2008, 09:03:58 AM
So very sorry Dawn, thinking of you xxx

RIP little Jake, play hard at the bridge sweet boy xxx
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Post by: Dawn F on January 10, 2008, 09:13:18 AM
sorry Dawn, RIP Jake
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Post by: Gwen on January 10, 2008, 10:24:23 AM
RIP little one :(

Sorry Dawn :( :hug:
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Post by: puddypaws on January 10, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
 :hug: :hug: yo you Dawn - so very sorry to hear about little Jake
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Post by: lisa77 on January 10, 2008, 11:24:39 AM
Im so sorry - I think you do need to find out what the cause was.. other wise you will ownder forever..

Sending lots of love  :hug:
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Post by: MillyMollyMandy on January 10, 2008, 11:36:38 AM
So very sorry to hear this. Run free little chap.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on January 10, 2008, 12:47:33 PM
Very sorry to hear the news. Be at peace Jake :hug:
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Post by: Schmew on January 10, 2008, 13:47:19 PM
So sorry Dawn, what awful news. RIP Jake and  :hug: to you  :hug:

x
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Post by: Felix (Caroline) on January 10, 2008, 17:00:00 PM
I am so so sorry Dawn, you did the best you could :Luv:

R I P Jake play hard at the bridge little one :Luv:
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 10, 2008, 19:40:34 PM
Just got back from the vets and Jake's results are back.  Sean said it's pretty certain he had a shunt, his Bile Acid levels were more than double after he'd been fed so it would signify a problem there.  He is going to phone the labs in the morning to confirm.  I feel gutted now  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Roz on January 10, 2008, 20:08:05 PM
Oh Dawn.. :(  .but would the little babe have been well enough to have the op even if you had had the results back earlier?


So, so sad.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 10, 2008, 20:09:51 PM
Roz is right Dawn  cos little Jake must have been so weak :hug: :hug:

I have to say I dont know what a shunt is, its something in the brain isnt it?
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2008, 20:19:02 PM
Gill, I am fairly certain it is a liver problem, although I dont know much about it.
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Post by: Roz on January 10, 2008, 20:21:44 PM
Hi Gill

It's the liver.  Do you remember Adam, the little guy we helped in America (I think we were on CC then).  The Feral Cat Alliance (who we made contact with when helping Abyss) e-mailed us to see if we could help towards the funds needed to operate on Adam. He was a gorgeous little blue boy who had been living rough and was a fraction of the size he should have been at (if my memory serves me correct) seven months and was suffering from liver shunt.

Dawn posted some pix of his vet holding him following the successful (hooray) op and we all fell in love with his handsome vet.  Don't you remember?

Dawn reprimanded us all for looking at the vet instead of Adam :innocent:  but Adam would have been your ideal little guy...he was completely blue and had the sweetest little face.

I wish Jake could have had the same successful outcome....God bless his little soul
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 10, 2008, 20:36:13 PM
It's basically where the blood bypasses the liver instead of filtering through so causes problems.

 http://www.cat-world.com.au/PortosystemicShunts.htm

Maybe he would have been too weak but last week he may have been fit enough to go through it  :'(  Sean has said he still wouldn't have let me put him through the op, as it would have cost thousands and he would have to been referred.  
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2008, 20:41:33 PM
Dawn, it sounds like you can't feel guilty if Sean wouldnt have let you put him through the op, regardless of his strength.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Roz on January 10, 2008, 20:44:51 PM
You've got friends...we could have sorted something out, I'm sure.  A life is always worth trying to save...and the money can be found afterwards. 
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Post by: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on January 10, 2008, 20:54:01 PM
Des, Sean just wouldn't have allowed it because of the financial side, it's easy vets saying they won't allow you to do something, but Sean forgets, I do rescue, he is a vet and I can't put a price on a kitten's life if it's possible he could have been saved.  Somehow, I would have found the money but sadly I didn't get the chance.
Title: Re: Jake's taken a turn for the worse - RIP
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2008, 20:57:25 PM
Ah right - my vet has tried that before, it isn't a nice place to be in.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 10, 2008, 20:57:56 PM
I am sorry that i am just catching up on this threa
(((Dawn))) I am so sorry hun x

RIP Jake xx