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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: melysion on December 06, 2007, 19:14:04 PM
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I have a question that might be controversial.
I am a long standing member of another cat forum where most of the members are from the United States.
Many people in the United States are against the concept of letting cats outdoors to roam unsupervised. In fact, there has recently been a heated discussion which involved one member who thought that no cat should ever be outside and that she had the right to steal a cat she saw roaming as - to her mind - outdoor cats means neglect and therefore the owners dont deserve them.
What do you think? I'm interested in the opinions of UK verses US people.
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oh god here we go again :)
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oh god here we go again :)
you mean I should quit this now?
Interesting. I was under the impression that most UK owners let their cats outside. Am I wrong?
Its all fairly academic to me as Toby cant go out anyway (FIV).
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You're wrong! We've had this debate here several times before. There was a time when most UK owners probably DID let their cats outdoors, but these days, with the increasing risk that traffic poses, more and more owners are keeping their cats in. I think it's fair to say that opinion is pretty divided on it ...
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No the subject just keeps coming around and the discussion gets heated on here too, and as for cats roaming at will I think thats starting to decline, my cats (3 boys) are all indoor, from kittens, in fact still kittens lol but I live in a flat and traffic is heavy around here, outside might be the right environment for them but outside doesn't look like the right environment for them any more, I remember as a lad people did the same things with their dogs chucked them out in the morning and saw them again at dinnertime :), but this is no longer accepted, I think a time will come when the same thing will happen with cats
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Well I had never even heard of indoor cats until I came on this forum
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Yep melysion, as with the american forum, views on here can be fairly divided. Some are for it, others against it, but i have yet to hear any of us suggesting that we can steal a cat cos it is outside and by definition, neglected. It is only if the cat is at risk, as well as outside that some might contemplate such drastic action - and usually only after suggesting the owner take more precautions for their pet's safety. Here mine are outdoors during the day and indoors at night. Anywhere else I have lived, they have generally been indoors. But I have always supplemented their indoors with an enclosed run so they could have the fun of outdoors without the risks. I have never had a cat who did not settle to being an indoor cat, but if I did have one who was unhappy I would let it out - just never at night. Basically because I am emotional coward who can't face the horrors of finding my baby mained or dead...
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For what it's worth, I have two indoor cats and one outdoor. Bertie went outside occasionally when he was smaller but always stayed in the garden and came back quite quickly. It therefore wasn't too difficult to keep him inside once his sister Matilda had been killed on the road and I became terrified of the same happening to Bertie. His new companion Bella had never been outdoors when she arrived at 5 months old, and she is now 2 years old and still hasn't been outside. She is scared of noises from outside and hides when the front or back doors are opened. Minnie came to me as a completely outdoor cat and I initially fed her outdoors, but she started coming inside gradually, and now spends around 21 hours a day inside, by choice, but goes out to hunt. I'm not entirely happy about it, as she's partially deaf and blind and her previous owner should never have kept her outside, but I also wouldn't deprive her access to the outdoors when she's so used to it. Bertie and Bella have toys, play houses and lots of stimulation indoors and, as far as I can see, don't seem to miss out by being inside.
But - each to their own, and I would never think a cat was neglected, or an owner not fit, just because their cat is outside - no more than I would want anyone to judge me on the fact that Bertie and Bella are indoors.
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Well i grew up on a farm and only knew of indoor/outdoor & outdoor only cats. I then became a veterinary nurse and debated/chatted about this in depth over many years aswell as tend to the injuries of many (the lucky ones i suppose). I then as an adult had my own cats who were indoor due to living in a flat then next to a very fast 60mph road but still probably was of the opinion that indoor if unsafe, outdoor access if in quiet safer rural type areas. However having now been a member of here and cc for over a year i can honestly say i am on the indoor fence. I just have heard so many cases, experiences, stories and to be honest in certain (not all) circumstances excuses as to why a cat must get out and then the awful gut wrenching r.i.p tales and then on to poor owners agonising over what type of death they had. For me I am now firmly in the catproofed garden or secure run for outdoor pursuits, this way atleast when their time is up i wont have to deal with a guilty conscience unless of course they've escaped and managed to be injured that way.
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For my views please see:- http://www.chesterfieldcats.co.uk/Chesterfield%20cats%20protection%20indoor_outdoor%20debate.htm
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In fact, there has recently been a heated discussion which involved one member who thought that no cat should ever be outside and that she had the right to steal a cat she saw roaming as - to her mind - outdoor cats means neglect and therefore the owners dont deserve them.
:rofl: If someone stole my boys they'd need to run very fast, have big locks on their doors and probably a gun too. D@mn ridiculous thing to say.
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Trying to picture someone running with a big red lad under each arm...doesnt seem too likely tbh :evillaugh:
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Living in a busy city centre I would never think of letting my cat roam about by himself outside. There is also a hefty pitbull living near by, often out in front of our flat without a lead with his owner. (He is lovely, and very friendly and sweet too, with me, but I really don't know how he would react with a cat!) If we were ever able to move to an individual house with a garden, it would be nice to create a safe outdoor area for him to play in. Or if we could live in a peaceful country side he may be able to have a free run... but this I am not quite sure, I don't know how I can cope if he brought me some pressie of a headless bird or mouse!! I know it may not be fair to him but I am so skirmish when it comes to that.... :faint:
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Melysion, it's one of those things cat
owners slaves are never likely to agree on, in all honesty. I personally have allowed my cats to be indoor/outdoor cats from being old enough to do so, but I understand in some circumstances that's not possible.
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My two penneth worth -
If a cat in happy to be kept indoors than great - it is isnt then i feel it is not fair JUST MY OPINION
Also, I personally dont feel that an FIV positive cat needs to be kept in either AND AGAIN just MY opinion
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I personally allow mine to go out if they want, although the weather is that bad at the moment they aren't getting the choice, and all bar one of the fosters is happy.
Michelle, out of interest, why dont you think FIV+ shouldn't be kept in? They might not spread the virus once neutered, but they have a compromised immune system, so could become ill to things they come into contact with.
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Are not cats at risk from FIV if fighting? outdoor cats do fight
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It takes a deep bite to transmit FIV, and neutered cats dont generally fight that bad - although you will get some, so should probably still be kept in.
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I have 4 cats and a catflap and they are all free to go in and out when they want.
Every cat owner has to look at where thy live, the risks and also the personality and needs of there cats and make their own decision.
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Michelle, out of interest, why dont you think FIV+ shouldn't be kept in? They might not spread the virus once neutered, but they have a compromised immune system, so could become ill to things they come into contact with.
Because the chance of them passing FIV on is so remote (once neutered)
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Hadnt thought about the suppressed immune system Desley!
but i am still going to stick with my view of allowing an FIV to go out
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I'm in the indoor and indoor + catproofed garden only camp. It's different if a cat has been used to going outside as it would be much more difficult to adapt to being indoor only but if a cat has been raised as indoor only then they really don't know anything else. Susanne is right that if a cat is indoor only they require much more attention and stumulation so it's not something to be undertaken lightly. It really is a dangerous world we live in now and not one that I'm about to expose the boys to.
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Mine are indoor cats. Always have been and always will be, although if I ever have a garden I will try to catproof it or build a cat run so that they can have some outdoor access. I do think that everyone's circumstances are different though (as is each cat) so all any of us can do is assess the risks and benefits of indoor only and indoor/outdoor and make a decision based on that.
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Trying to picture someone running with a big red lad under each arm...doesnt seem too likely tbh :evillaugh:
They'd need a forklift :shy:
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I have 4 cats and a catflap and they are all free to go in and out when they want.
Every cat owner has to look at where thy live, the risks and also the personality and needs of there cats and make their own decision.
Toby is an indoor only cat. He has to be because of his FIV. I certainly dont think its a good idea to allow FIV cats out. As for other cats - you just have to be sensible. If the area is safe then yes - let them out but you have to use common sense. What if you live next to a very busy road? It wouldnt be such a good idea then.
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I don't judge anyone who responsibly allows their cats to go outside, I used to do myself years ago. I would have thought then that it was utterly bizarre and probably cruel to keep cats inside, because I didn't realise it was possible for them to be happy inside.
However, then I met my husband whose own cat had always been an inside cat. He thought it was utterly bizarre I let mine out !
After much consideration I decided to ' insiderise ' my cats, and it worked beautifully, even the ones who had been used to going out and spending a lot of time outside adapted very quickly and were very purry happy kitties.
Having had two of my cats hit by cars in my extremely ' but I live in a quiet area there are hardly any cars ' area IN ONE DAY ( one instantly dead, one PTS later due to resulting injuries ), I am glad I made the decision those years back for my remaining cats.
Even in this very quiet area cats get hit by cars, out of the 9 cats that lived in my ' but I live in a quiet area there are hardly any cars ' very quiet cul-de-sac, 4 lost their lives to cars. 4. out of 9. Not good odds really. My childhood cat was free-roaming and met his end via poison and then being hit by a car. My husband had to scrape a neighbours cat off the road a few weeks back.
Did I mention how quiet my area is ?
My cats are happy and not big fatty clingy rampaging loons. ( Well 80% of the time ! ;) ).
I would catproof a garden if I had one suitable.
I think a lot of people don't know about indoor cats because you just don't see them ! There's one lady 3 doors down from me and I didn't even realise she had a cat because she's also an ' inny '.
Until I have my own predator free island my cats will never free roam again, I can't take the heartbreak.
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well, it does tend to cause a bit of a stir, but I agree Melysion, you are as entitled as any of us to start a thread and are welcome to do so. Just don't start one about the animated cat waking its owner up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: now that one we have definitely seen before :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I think a lot of people don't know about indoor cats because you just don't see them ! There's one lady 3 doors down from me and I didn't even realise she had a cat because she's also an ' inny '.
You mean she manages not to be covered in cat fur?! How?! :evillaugh:
I think this debate is always interesting, as long as people remember that what's right for their cats isn't necessarily right for someone elses. Although my cats have outdoor/indoor access two of them like to adventure and two of them don't because their personalities vary so much. :)
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Well weve been here several times havent we !
Before I got Leo I had never heard of Indoor cats. I am in UK..
The more I read up on Maine Coons before I got Leo the more Breeders I came accross that would only sell a kitten as an indoor cat.
I spoke to lots of different people about this as initially I did think it was cruel. BUT reading more & more it is actually kinder (if the cat is ok with it & hasnt been left to roam previous) I have had 2 cats hit by cars :( There is fighting with other cats, risk of getting stolen & lets face it there are plenty of kids & adults that hate cats that could & do harm them.
So after taking all of this into account I decided that Leo would be indoor only.
He is absolutely fine with it. When I do move to a house with a garden I will then build a secure run for him.
Hope this helps
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If everyone keeps it nice and friendly there is no reason why it could get nasty
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well, it does tend to cause a bit of a stir, but I agree Melysion, you are as entitled as any of us to start a thread and are welcome to do so. Just don't start one about the animated cat waking its owner up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: now that one we have definitely seen before :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OMG I almost weed in my trousers :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
J(Indoorcatsuk), may I suggest considering adding a hyphen or some sort of punctuation in your handle? I had mistaken your view of this discussion before reading your post, I read your handle as "Indoorcat-suk" instead of "Indoorcats-uk"... sorry, but that was what happened honestly!! :shy:
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Mine are all indoor/outdoor, but are kept in at night. They'd get really depressed if they couldn't go out - they spend probably 90% of their time outside during the day, even in bad weather! (there's plenty of sheltered places nearby). But they come in quite happily before dark - usually by themselves!
TBH, I am becoming of the opinion that it is more dangerous the 'safer' it seems .... quiet roads produce 'unexpected' traffic, whilst busy roads do not, and cats simply avoid them. My house fronts a very busy road, but as far as I know, my cats have never gone on it.
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For most subjects it wouldn't matter, but this one has proved so emotive in the past that another thread is another chance for discord. I don't think anyone here is out to cause trouble.
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J(Indoorcatsuk), may I suggest considering adding a hyphen or some sort of punctuation in your handle? I had mistaken your view of this discussion before reading your post, I read your handle as "Indoorcat-suk" instead of "Indoorcats-uk"... sorry, but that was what happened honestly!! :shy:
LMAO
Unless someone is out to deliberately troll about the indoor outdoor topic, then I don't see a problem, even if it is emotive, I don't want to belong to a forum that is scared to discuss the odd cat issue that might get peoples heckles up ( and ears down ).
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I lost several cats to RTAs where I used to live, so had a large (half a very large garden) cat run built for my remaining cats. Most adapted to these restrictions, but Harry never did and so he still comes and goes as he pleases (he's 11 now) I've never felt completely comfortable with restricting cats, its just not in their nature, but it has been an compromise. When I moved her 6 yrs or so ago I didnt want to restrict them as much, I have a 100ft long garden which I planted withshrubs and trees - lots of interesting areas for them, and the cats all have access to this garden during the day and evening (longer in summer). In general the Persians don't roam out of the garden (with Jasper the exception!) but Harry still does his own thing - night and day.
I have an area of the garden, close to the house, which is fenced so that they can't access the rest of the garden, it has a gate that I can just close off at night, so they can come and go via the catflap, still have access to outdoors, but be safe at nightime, so thats there only restriction now. I wouldnt personally keep a cat completely indoors.
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Bilbo and Baggins debate whether they're going to let me out in the morning. Unfortunately they always do :shy:
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:evillaugh: You are certifiable..admittedly. :naughty:
Lexy is indoor. Couldn't force her out the back door even if she wanted to, she likes her creature comforts.
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My boy Max is FIV and indoors as well.
I have to say though, that even if he wasn't, I would still be inclined to keep him in. There's so many dangers outside now.
the best compromise for me, if I had a big enough garden and wasn't renting, would be to cat-proof the garden, then he would have the best of both worlds, but as far as I can tell he's a very happy boy, and if he's happy, then I'm happy ;D
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My cats are outdoor but they can only go out into the garden :sneaky: Except for HARRY of course, Gillian I think its something to do with the name lol.
Clare I am renting and I have cat proofed my garden, I have had to put up my own fence though so really its only on my property anyway. If the landlord has a problem I would say to him so you would let your kids out when they have had threats against their lives? This is the reason I cat proofed my garden.
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My cats are happy and not big fatty clingy rampaging loons. ( Well 80% of the time ! ;) ).
He isn't fat or clingy, but Mosi is definitely a rampaging loon :rofl:
I'm the same as J - before I had Jaffa I would have considered keeping a cat indoors at best as odd and at worst as cruel. But now that I have experience of keeping cats indoors I've changed my mind and am satisfied they can have a good quality of life. But I would never criticise anyone for letting a cat go outdoors if they felt it was in the cat's best interests (even if I would do otherwise in their shoes).
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How can you tell if its in the cats best interest to let them go out? Since moving here over a year ago all of my cats went outdoors and I only recently cat proofed my garden in the summer, I personally dont see whats out there for them other than danger and I would never feel sorry for them because they want to go out of the garden, I feel by keeping them in the garden we are both making a compromise, I9 am willing to let them out but only if they stay in the garden.
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How can you tell if its in the cats best interest to let them go out?
By how they behave when they're kept in!!
Mine, especially Sabby and Meesh, become less 'perky', less responsive, and generally out of sorts if I have to keep them in for any reason. For me, my primary consideration is that they are happy ... and I'd go so far to say I'd rather they were happy than 100% safe. We compromise - they stay in at night, but they all queue at the back door after their breakfast, waiting for me to unlock the catflap! By the time I get home from work they're gathering either indoors or just outside the back door, ready for their tea and bedtime! :Luv:
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I know my cats would rather go out but I'd rather them stay in, I suppose being allowed into the garden is better that being kept in the house totally.
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Also, I personally dont feel that an FIV positive cat needs to be kept in either AND AGAIN just MY opinion
As Desley says FIV cats immune system is already compromised, so if you let one out you are not giving it the best chance of a full life.
This debate has been had on here many times and we are just all repeating what we have said before.
Many, many topics regularly repeat themselves , I personallally don't think that is a bad thing. Newbies don't always look back at old posts & Topics. I know I didn't when I first joined CC. Also as Tiggy's Mum - Helen says not all Purrs members goes on to CC.
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Newbies can add their views, older members can too. Nothing wrong with that. Happens with many health and behaviour threads as well, this is just a different topic. Speaking of which, how about we get back to the actual debate itself?
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You are welcome :) and you can post what you like :) its just this subject really gets some peoples blood up lol
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I was interested in UK verses US views - nothing more :P
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I'm on a House MD forum too (American) and their vicious on there :rofl:
Tell me are you american based?
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I really can't see why this is such an emotive topic...I cat-proofed my garden and fitted a cat flap so mine can come and go as they please. other people prefer to let their pusscats roam and some people prefer to keep em tucked up indoors. We all base our choices on what's best for our respective feline masters given our individual circumstances etc.
So what is there to get ratty about :-:?
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Horses for courses. I lived in a 2nd story flat for 13 years with 2 girl cats. We all went outside at the back together for 1/2 hour or so each evening.
When we moved into house on quiet road set back from road with catflap 18 years ago, "our" boy cats allowed access 24/7 without any restrictions. I lost 1 boy to an RTA last year and did a lot of soul searching. I try and ensure the boys don't go around the front and seems to work most times altho not always. I have an open mind on this subject but they are all used to outdoor access and that's the way it will stay for time being. No need for anyone to get wound up, we all love our puddies and try to do what's right for them.
BTW :welcome: Mel
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I'm on a House MD forum too (American) and their vicious on there :rofl:
Tell me are you american based?
No, i'm from England. ;D
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So many subjects are covered time and time again and sometimes that is not actually a bad thing, because we don't always take on board what we read the first, second or even 3rd time.
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Hi Mel I am sorry you have been upset by this and you are very welcome to post about any subject you would like whether it's been covered before or not. It's good to have new members that may have different views on any subject. I am determinded to keep this site friendly and welcoming and i am sorry you have not experience that in your thread.
It is one of those high emotional subjects that leads to debates but an important one to to discuss.
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Back to the thread topic :Luv:
I used to have outdoor cats as i do love them to have their freedom but after loosing my adored lads to the road, i can no longer give my lads their freedom in this area. so my lads now are indoor with a secure garden 24 hrs access. They love the garden and it is a compremise but they do still get bored at times even though i play with them alot. Esp in the winter where, we can't have our chase and hide and seek games in the garden. :evillaugh: They are fun. ;D Roll on summer Hey!
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This is from London: our cat Blip would never adapt to an exclusively indoor life and luckily we live in an environment where she does not have to. If we moved to a different place, I would so arrange it that she had safe access to the outdoors.
For any new members who feel unwelcome, please do not! I would say that it depends who you encounter first time out :hug: I had a pretty nasty experience early on, but I ignored it (and the person concerned ever since, really) so :welcome: and keep on posting.
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I would like to add that in regards to knowing what is best for your cat, this is very personal - Ginger had to be kept in for 10 days after an op, and pined and got depressed, he didn't tolerate being kept in, and Tiger was the kidn of cat who would dash out the door as soon as you opened it, she also pined when she had to be kept in after tests. Molly however, doesn't care, in fact, I dont think I have seen her go downstairs once this week, never mind near the door!!
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:welcome: Melysion :)
I have 8 puds and they are all indoor but have access to a cat proofed garden....I think a lot of it depends on environment ;)
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:welcome: Melysion :)
I have 8 puds and they are all indoor but have access to a cat proofed garden....I think a lot of it depends on environment ;)
Yeah, I agree. I like the thought of Toby being an outdoor cat but even without the FIV I'm not sure I would risk it because we live so near a really busy road.
Has anyone built/brought a cat enclosure for outside? That would be ideal for a cat like Toby. Give me the excitement of being outside but without any risk.
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Has anyone built/brought a cat enclosure for outside? That would be ideal for a cat like Toby. Give me the excitement of being outside but without any risk.
You should see the enclosure Caroline (Felix) on here has built - it's amazing :wow: Here's the thread with all the pics on....
http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=7354.50
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I think outdoor enclosures and catproofing are great compromises. Unfortunately I don't have a garden I would definitley go for that option if I did. And there's a fab cat proofiing kit in the auction if anyone fancies going down the catproofing route! ;D
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If I had a choice I'd want Lexy out with an enclosure. Whilst in this house I won't do it but hopefully, fingers crossed, if I can get the house sold next year, then hopefully the new place I can cat proof the garden. I would love for her to feel safe and be out, but right now she's happy inside.
She growls at the back door so what I can do! Wouldn't let her out in my neighbourhood though. Nasty neighbours may hurt her.
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Here's some more pics of Felix's run :wow:
http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=5240.25
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IF I had a garden, an enclosure would be fab - I have a foster who is here for at least anohter month, and he is going a bit stir crazy (Ex stray), so let him have some time otu today (he has been here 6 weeks already), and he disappeared in the rain for ages, I was concerned, so an enclosure would be fab, and I have seen some good conservatories with trees and shelves on for cats to enjoy.
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I would love my babes to get outside, but I live in a 3rd floor flat with no garden, in the city centre, so it just isn't safe. We are planning on selling up and moving out of town to someplace bigger, with a garden, so they can get outside. 8) Riley came to us from a rescue, and we got him partly because we fell in love with him, but also because it stated on his care plan / adoption contract that he is to be an indoor cat. THis was due to a behavioural assessment and ongoing observation by his foster mum - he is a nervous, timid cat inclined to panic when outside, and rush blindly into traffic (he did this several times before he was caught, and was lucky not to be killed :shocked:).
However, we took him on holiday to S.Uist last summer, and the cottage we stayed in had a cat-proof garden, which we allowed him to have supervised access to, and he did seem to enjoy it, tho he was very cautious and unsure. He did still show a tendancy towards fearfulness, nerves and panicky behaviour, but the smaller, partially enclosed space seemed to reassure him and he gradually became a little more confident :shy:
Based on this we have decided to try to get a place with a garden so that he can have safe outoor access (either in a run, or a cat-proofed garden). My first cat was an outdoor cat, but I lived in the country then, 10 miles from any major road, surrounded by woodland and fields. Back then, it seemed unthinkable to have an indoor cat, but I would not alllow a cat unrestricted outdoor access unless I was in a similar living situation again (which I intend to be, one day! ;)), as it just isn't safe. A friend of mine had 3 cats, all outdoor kitties, who lived in the countryside for about 5 years. She then moved into a quiet residential area on the edge of a small town. Within a year all three cats had died - two were killed in the road, and one was shot with a pellet gun. :'( >:(
I think that you have to decide based on your personal situation, where you live, and the personality of the cat. They are, after all, as varied and individual as we are. Riley, for some reason, is not very suited to being an outdoor cat - yet he is a fit, active, happy boy as an indoor cat. My first boy would never have coped as an indoor cat - he LOVED the outside, so it would have been cruel to deprive him, especialy as there was no particular reason to - he was (relatively) safe to wander as far as he liked.
I would love to build my guys a run, and hope to do so when we move - I think sunshine and fresh air works wonders for anyone - cat and human alike! However, I do take the time and effort to have shelves, hidey-holes, toys, puzzles, games, cat trees, etc for both my babes so that they have as stimulating a life indoors as possible. We even move the furniture around each week, so that the layout is always changing, and the hidey-holes, launchpads, lookouts etc are varied. This seems to stimulate a lot of activity - playing and investigating etc. We also get interesting smells - catnip, pinecones, catgrass, hamster bedding (from a friend) that we hide around the place for them to investigate. It's more work having an indoor cat, in terms of keeping them stimulated, but it's possible, and they needn't necessarily be deprived or unhappy.
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Caroline's run is fab!
Mine is much more simple, made of wood and mesh. Mel if you're anywhere near the North East and want the number of the guy who did it, send me a PM
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Heres some pics of the run I had for my cats where I used to live. I had it built by Linde Lu, to my own spec, so that it was attached to the house (back door where the cat flap was) and conservatory, and so's I could have all the doors and windows open in the summer, without worry of them going out of the garden. I tried to make it look as nice as poss, with lots of plants and a water feature etc. It was enough for most of my cats, but not Harry! The 1st pic led from the back door, incoporated the large shed, then the next pic showed the other part it was linked to down the garden across the front of the conservatory.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/Garden/Catrun1.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/Cats/CatRun3.jpg)
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Heres some pics of the run I had for my cats where I used to live. I had it built by Linde Lu, to my own spec, so that it was attached to the house (back door where the cat flap was) and conservatory, and so's I could have all the doors and windows open in the summer, without worry of them going out of the garden. I tried to make it look as nice as poss, with lots of plants and a water feature etc. It was enough for most of my cats, but not Harry! The 1st pic led from the back door, incoporated the large shed, then the next pic showed the other part it was linked to down the garden across the front of the conservatory.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/Garden/Catrun1.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/Cats/CatRun3.jpg)
Thats awesome! Can I move in?
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Thats awesome! Can I move in?
LOL! ;D - sadly no - I don't live there anymore - packed up the cat run and moved lock, stock and barrel, reassembled the cat run (in slightly different configuration!) at the next house, then did the same again when I moved here, except it was only up in a very paired down version here to start with and now they go out in the garden anyway - still got lots of the panels though, should have offered them in the auction (mind you, it would have had to be 'buyer collects'!
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I cant wait untill I move to a house & can build one of those enclosed pens..
sooooooooooo cant wait ;)
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That pen is amazing! I would love to have something like that for my two.....I'm with you, Lisa - can't wait to move to a house so I can build one (would be too tricky to attach it to a 2nd story flat :rofl: )