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Title: Force feeding a cat with cat flu? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 02, 2012, 22:45:46 PM
Apart from a flash in the pan this morning when he ate about a teaspoon of food, our 16 month old Bobby will not eat or drink. 

He has cat flu and is extremely congested.  I am managing to get a little AD diet food (about 5ml twice a day) with some bisolven decongestant in squeezed in through the side of his mouth but it's not enough.  I have no one to hold him in situe whilst I try to syringe feed him and vet says not good to stress him out too much as it just makes the cat flu flare up.  Despite having eaten so little in the past week he is surprisingly strong.  I try him first with strong smelling warmed up various foods and allowed him to eat with his brother this morning to try and encourage him but am not happy doing that for obvious reasons.

Have yet another vet visit tomorrow morning but would dearly love to be able to do this myself to save him the stress of constant vet visits.  Am hoping to persuade one of the VNs to visit twice a day to feed him but the two VNs I have spoken to so far don't have the time.

Any tips very welcome  :( 
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 02, 2012, 22:54:42 PM
Sorry to hear he's still not eating Rosella  :(  :hug: What about smearing a watered down AD on his feet or round his lips, do you think he's perky enough to wash it off? Have you tried him with pilchards in tomato sauce, or sprinkling catnip onto a favourite food? When Riley was refusing all food I managed to get him to eat some tinned steak in gravy, looked gross but he at least nibbled it.

If the vets at your usual practice are busy how about trying another surgery, I'm sure there must be a VN out there that would welcome some extra cash, or maybe a groomer as they are used to restraining cats gently? I was in the same boat with Riley when the vet suggested syringing water into him, despite him being weak and lethargic it was simply a no-go  :shy:
Title: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: caledonia on September 02, 2012, 23:01:57 PM
Oh sorry to hear your car isn't eating - the vet might have a suggestion tomorrow hopefully.

I had the same issue with Bertie in the past and the vet ended up giving him a tiny bit Valium - it made him wolf down everything in site!

I have no idea is this is the norm or whether there are possible side effects - I was just desperate! It worked for him thankfully.

Helen's idea about the food on his paw might be an idea. I had nutrical to build Edgar up and if he wouldn't take it I would smear it on his paw - just the right consistency!

Fingers crossed for you at vets tomorrow!
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: pappilon on September 02, 2012, 23:48:28 PM
Oh Rosella, i am sorry Bobby still not eating.
When my Phoebe was unwell and wouldnt eat my vet priscribed Periactin for her , i needed to give her tablets but there was no way of handeling her and as she wouldnt take food it was no win but i put the periactin in some cheese and rub on her paws it did work and gave her some appetite, please check with your vet if its suitable for Bobby. :hug: :hug:
The other thing i remember is Coley the frozen one has very strong smell and the best way is to put it in oven with little bit of butter and then mash it up.
Sending lots of good vibes for Bobby and  :hug: :hug: for you.
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 03, 2012, 00:13:31 AM
Valium is often used by vets with cats to get then to eat but its an immediate solution but not one that lasts.

It was used with Napoleon way back but after that he wouldnt eat again and trashed his cage and came home and eventually he started eating again. I think I tried pate type food with him but cant remember.

The vet was really worried cos she said after a short time their liver deterioates but assume that Napoleon was ok.

The trouble is , as you know, the next time he refused to eat I lost him and he went into renal failure.

The vets suggested that they either syringe fed him or fed him through a tube. I opted for the former but the senior vet nurse persuaded me that the latter option was the best for him.....................it was the worse thing I could have done and the image of him sticks in my mind forever. What I didnt know and seems that nobody knew at the time was that he was already in renal failure and of course he was nearly 18 and only had one kidney.

Of course as you know I have just lost Ducha after he stopped eating but he was even older and lost all his weight in 24 hrs.

Your situation with Bobby is different as he is young but I think my vet would be asking to do tests on Bobby to determine his organs situation. He obviously cant smell and suspect he also cant taste and after a week or so his tummy will not like much food especiallly all in one go.

I would use AD and the gourmet pate foods, there is the fish one and a turkey or chicken one.

I would try to get him to lick it off your finger which you dip in one of his dishes in front of him. I would also water it down to nearly liquid. If this doesnt succeed I would try putting it on his leg and paws as suggested by someone else. You need to do this very regularily until he gets the hang of eating again.

I feel that by keeping him seperate from the others this is also upsetting him and maybe you need to reconsider this, anything to keep his stress down.

I can feel your pain and stress, I dont know if your vets are 24/7 so that maybe for 24 hrs he could be hospitalized to be syringed fed to try and get him to eat again.

I feel my stress going up just talking about these things but its essential that he eats and drinks and I would have thought he would be dehydrated by now and possibly needs to go on a drip.

I think your vets should come up with the way forward but my experience is that they just dont know.

It maybe you also need to not use bisolven when trying to get him to eat cos I know mine started to seem to know it was there.......how much are you using? Mine only had a pinch a day.

I will pm you my phone number if you want to know about the tube feeding and I think there is another way of doing it to how it was done on Napoleon. I have a phone by my bed if you want to ring before going to the vets..........I think it will wake me up! try a couple of times before giving up cos it rings 8 times before going onto message.

Sending loads and loads of good wishes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Liz on September 03, 2012, 06:13:02 AM
Rosella my first thought would be if all else fails some tinned condensed milk with pureed food mashed up and mixed together it looks awful but we have had some success with it when we had our stress catflu out break after moving the clan and its not the best thing but has calories and thats what he needs, also some Bisolven in the condesed milk warmed for 10 seconds had some effect to

We also got to the stage as the majority were ferals that we let them all eat together the ones on the mend would eat and like ours yours are a sociable bunch and meal times are a great time in our house as they love being together at feeding time

Sending lots of  :hug: for you and Bobby, also sometimes a kitten feeding bottle is better than a syringe as the feeding teet is soft and not hard like the syringe, have used this to you just dilute and mash the puree mix till its like gloop xx
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 08:04:31 AM
Thanks so much everyone.  Think I'll start with smearing some AD on his front paw as, amazingly, he still grooms occasionally :shocked:  In fact I just weighed him and he has only lost .3 of a kilo and is still 3.8kg; he is very tall.  I simply don't understand how on earth he is managing to stay looking as good as he does and not eat or drink.  He is not surprisingly very wobbly though.  Having said that he did just lap a little water which has raised my spirits ......... anyhow I'll give the smearing a bash. Fingers crossed ..........  I'll also get Boris the gorb involved more .......
Title: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: caledonia on September 03, 2012, 08:55:58 AM
Glad to hear he is lapping water - that's a start and makes the possibility of some of the suggestions involving watering down food more likely to succeed! Let us know how you get on at the vet :-)
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat with cat flu? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Tried pilchards, tuna, chicken.  The others are having a field day!  He won't lick from my finger.  Smeared some warmed up AD diet on Bobby's front paw this morning.  He sat and looked at it then walked back into his basket and curled up. 

I tipped him slowly back out of basket and let Boris in to show Bobby how tasty the gourmet pearl is.  He showed great interest and looked like he was going to eat something but turned away at last minute.  Boris ate the lot (2nd breakfast today) and left.  So I fell back on smearing the AD with a little bisolven into the side of his mouth but got very very little in.  He is obviously keen to eat but cannot smell anything so not sure Valium would help?

All of these little "procedures" are done very slowly with lots of stroking and cuddling and try not to restrain him too much to keep him calm.  Very time consuming and am supposed to be back at office today.  Have negotiated going in for 3 hours .......

Vet has explained how to check for signs of clinical dehydration and I'm sure he is not there yet.  He still sounds extremely congested but is breathing is far less laboured than last week.  Still sneezing, coughing, water eyes and nose and wobbly but am quite sure he will be absolutely fine if only he will start eating. 

Have cancelled vet appointment as have dropped him off with the VNs at the surgery for the day so they can work their magic.  Sadly they are not 24/7.  They are going to try a different convalescent diet; a runnier one to see if he will start lapping otherwise will syringe feed.  Such a relief having them on hand. 

Such a lot of helpful suggestions.  I have made a list.  Thanks a million everyone  :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Angiew on September 03, 2012, 10:28:31 AM
Rather that tricle feeding him with a syringe, you could try just mushing up the AD , using a small spoon (an old egg spoon) and hust shovelling a small spoonful into his mouth. Squish it on the roof of his mouth as opposed to trying to pace it on his tongue or down his throat.

Does he have any mouth ulcers?
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: cazzer on September 03, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
sorry to hear about Bobby, not been on here much so hadn't realised he was ill.       Crushed up thrive or dreamies occasionally used to persuade OSka to eat.       Also used to find he would sometimes turn his nose up at a food when I tried to feed him on his own.      Bring another cat in and let them eat some of the food and he would be a bit more interested.       Hope Bobby picks up soon!
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Mouth ulcers have been mentioned altho not sure whether as a likely or an actual problem.  I've sort of assumed he has as he has every other bloomin cat flu symptom.  I'll ask when I phone later Angie.  His mouth was really smelly last week but much less so now which is a good sign.  I'll try the egg spoon.  At least I think it's an egg spoon  :shy:  It's a porcelain one with nice full round edges. 

 :thanks: for the tips all.
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Kay and Penny on September 03, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
I once had a cat with a huge ulcer on her tongue, which made eating too painful for her, though she was hungry

I used to liquidize food for her, and included lambs liver, as she was a big fan of it, and she used to lap the resultant soup up very reluctantly, as it stung the ulcer, I think - but it was very rich so a small amount still did her a lot of good - and could have been administered in a syringe had it come to that

it took five days of abs to get rid of the ulcer
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 12:48:27 PM
Bobby was given a convenia AB jab on Wed 29th so that is still covering him Trigger.  Think that lasts 14 days.  I tried to give more appropriate AB in a tablet form but he nearly choked on it as think his throat was too sore.  He isn't gulping anymore and can meow though so maybe his throat feeling better.

I may be wrong but I think his main problem is not being able to smell and perhaps taste. 

Think the "egg spoon" is in fact a Chinese soup spoon?  :-[ but it does have nice smooth round edges.

Have renegotiated the whole day off .......... thank heaven for understanding business partners .............. altho she is off for 3 weeks from tomorrow so won't be able to take much time off from tomorrow  :(
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 03, 2012, 13:00:26 PM
Have you tried Liquivite Rosella? if he's lapping perhaps he'll try that? or it can be syringed. I can really sympathise, I went through this with Gypsy when she got cat flu, she barely ate for 10 days, but somehow manged to come through it, I spent hours on the floor desparately trying to encourage her to eat, one day she just turned a corner and started to eat again.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 16:14:43 PM
VN is syringe feeding him hourly.  She hand rears for CP.  Don't think he could be in better hands.  He's bought them a card and some wine to thank them for all the effort they are putting in.  He's a good boy.

VN mentioned trying a different convalescent diet food this morning that she would have to source elsewhere.  Might be liquivite as they don't stock it at our vets.  As a few peeps have mentioned liquivite (including his previous ma Judith at Covcats) I have just bought a couple of cans from another vet surgery.  Have just been to Waitrose and bought some frozen Coley fish too.

I went through this with Gypsy when she got cat flu, she barely ate for 10 days, but somehow manged to come through it,


Thanks Gillian  :hug:  He's only 16 months old and everyone's doing their best so he should pull through  :crossed:  Just hope it's soon  :(

Cat flu is a real bummer and no mistake.  Once again I am in awe of what rescues/fosterers go through and bow to your selfless commitment  :agree:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Dawn F on September 03, 2012, 16:19:10 PM
sounds like that is the best thing for him, they just need something in them and they seem to pick up, I remember with my boys I had to handfeed tuna and suddenly once I got it in them they turned a corner, they had mouth ulcers which of course didn't help, I do feel for you I know how horrible it is
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Jiji on September 03, 2012, 16:33:28 PM
You have my sympathy Rosella  :hug: I remember all to well my anguish when Algie wouldn't eat.  :hug: Liquivite was the only thing Algie would eat in the end when he was so poorly with his bad mouth, I had to pour some into the palm of my hand while he was sitting on my knee and let him lap it, very messy but at least he would take a little. I got mine from vetuk and they delivered it very quickly.
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 16:57:59 PM
I've just put some water and drops of Olbas Oil into an empty Feliway diffuser and plugged it in  :scared: 

Hope house doesn't go up in smoke but can't see what harm it can do  :shify:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 03, 2012, 19:53:55 PM
I've just put some water and drops of Olbas Oil into an empty Feliway diffuser and plugged it in  :scared: 

Hope house doesn't go up in smoke but can't see what harm it can do  :shify:

As a worrier over fire hazards, that worries me!  :scared: You can buy olbas oil or karvol plug ins (and prob lots of other different makes too). Can you unplug it overnight, just to be on the safe side  :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 03, 2012, 22:34:17 PM
Already switched off Helen and will completely unplug.  Desperate measures and all that but things are looking up now  :shify: Will go back to drops of Olbas Oil on gauze on radiator.

His nibbs has been syringe fed hourly within an inch of his life today by 3 wonderful VNs.  We then went out (switched off plug in 1st Helen :shify: ) and came back to cook dinner.  I thought again of the many tips on here and thought we may as well give Liz's cat milk suggestion another whirl as it only lasts so long when opened and blow me down he gave it a few licks  :-: 

So I quickly opened a tin of sardine Encore.  He did a little dance around it, looking under it, over it, to the left of it and to the right when eventually his nose landed on it and he had a few bites but then seemed to lose the smell again  :( and.......... found the cat milk again  :wow: and almost snorted it up  :lick:

He then insisted on sitting on the arm of my chair as I tried to eat, sneezing into me dinner  :sick: :sick: :sick:  They always get me chicken in any event but knew he couldn't possibly eat it; could he? ........... he bloody hoovered it up  :yesss:  I had to stop him after a while as can't be good for him to eat too much after an hourly syringe feed and no proper eating for a week so put him back upstairs in his room and blimey O'Reilly he did a poo.  :wow:  Not a bad one either .... considering. 

So there we are  :) :) :)  If he goes off his food again tomorrow, he goes back in to vet practice where they will welcome our lad with open arms. 

To say I'm stunned, amazed and very happy would be an understatement.  To say I love everyone at our vets would be another  :Luv:  They are just brilliant.

I intend to get some kip tonight and ignore the snorting, sneezing and wheezing  ;)

 :tired: :tired: :tired: but  :yesss: :blow kiss: :ok:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: pappilon on September 03, 2012, 23:02:15 PM
Wonderful news, its great to read that Bobby enjoyed his meal and yours ;)
I am so pleased, hope you get a good night sleep Rosella.  :hug: :hug:

Well done gorgeous boy.x
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 03, 2012, 23:17:43 PM
That's fantastic news, really sounds like he has turned the corner  ;D Have evrything crossed that the improvement continues tomorrow and the dancing banana/chicken combo can come out... 

Gentle :care: for Bobby

(oh, and I'm pleased that the plug in is unplugged!)
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Angiew on September 03, 2012, 23:41:10 PM
 :yesss:

onward and upward  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2012, 01:08:00 AM
Brilliant and hope now he has found his appetite it stays with him  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Liz on September 04, 2012, 06:17:16 AM
Way to go Bobby, so glad the tip worked, have to say I bottle fed Bailey Bad Boy Wilson at age 9 when the vets wanted to PTS as he was so ill on the Monday but I asked for them to try anything so he was drip fed and Mummy bottle fed 3 hours a day I so love my vets as I had access till midnight for 4 days and on the Friday he came home na dhas never looked back, vets amazed and me knackered but result

As I said to the vet its calories and liquid so can't hurt he wouldn't take Simicat kitten milk my other standby
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 04, 2012, 07:56:51 AM
Rosella, I'm really hoping that Bobby has now turned the corner  :crossed: :crossed:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 04, 2012, 08:15:43 AM
Was meowing for food again this am but won't touch a thing of course but I'm now convinced it's just a matter of unblocking those nasal passages.

He is currently in closed carrier with a jug of boiling water with Olbas oil outside at gated end with cling film over it and a few holes in cling film and a towel draped over the lot.  His own little steam room  :innocent:  He's been there about 20 mins so should be about cooked now ..........
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 04, 2012, 08:23:11 AM
Was meowing for food again this am but won't touch a thing of course but I'm now convinced it's just a matter of unblocking those nasal passages.

He is currently in closed carrier with a jug of boiling water with Olbas oil outside at gated end with cling film over it and a few holes in cling film and a towel draped over the lot.  His own little steam room  :innocent:  He's been there about 20 mins so should be about cooked now ..........


Oh God love him!   :evillaugh:  Am topping up the positive vibes for him Rosella.  It does sound more positive, and he's in the very bestest of hands.   :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Dawn F on September 04, 2012, 08:39:25 AM
great news!
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Angiew on September 04, 2012, 08:45:11 AM
:innocent:  He's been there about 20 mins so should be about cooked now ..........

...and a nice chianti :drool;
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: clarenmax on September 04, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
Ah I didn't see this the other day, glad he's turned a corner and is eating a bit again!!  Poor little man, sending some unbunging vibes your way as its never nice to eat when you can't breath or taste anything  :hug: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: sheilarose on September 04, 2012, 10:21:39 AM
Aha! Here you are  :) Blimey, Rosella, what a rollercoaster you've been on. I'm so relieved Bobby has turned his snotty corner, and you've managed to get some rest at last. Those VNs deserve some chocs mefinks  ;D
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2012, 11:17:12 AM
Come on Bobby eat please  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 04, 2012, 14:17:56 PM
Those VNs deserve some chocs mefinks  ;D

Bobby bought them 6 bottles of various wines and a card coz he's a good boy like that  :) 
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on September 04, 2012, 15:14:23 PM
Only just caught up with this Rosella.  I'm soooo pleaased he ate yesterday (and did a poo  ;) ) and hope that by now he's eaten again today.  If not, maybe he's still full up.  Either way, its good to know he has replenished his stores and is on the mend anyway which is a relief.

Topping up the degongestant vibes.  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 04, 2012, 18:23:53 PM


Adding some more to those decongestant vibes from me too!   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 04, 2012, 20:38:08 PM
I'm uploading happy videos as I type  :)

Blimey this has been some journey.

The answer it seems is liquivite and simple boiled chickun  :wow: 
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2012, 20:42:36 PM
Just so pleased and cant wait to see the happy videos  ;D
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 04, 2012, 20:54:23 PM
No sign of eating before I left for work and report from OH was that Bobby did lap a little water so wasn't expecting a great deal (anticipating another day with the lovely VNs tomorrow) but took a breast of chicken out to to thaw just in case.  Boiled it after work and decanted some liquivite as an aperitif.  Liquivite was well received but lapped nowhere near enough so waited for chicken to cool down with fingers crossed ............. 

Just look at our laddo  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Hoovering .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2kZ_oM_gHg

Then wondering where the rest is.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KkzSPUghbw

Wonder if he might have something tomorrow morning?  Think overnight everything settles on his chest so I don't expect morning miracles but certainly think things are looking a great deal brighter  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: sheilarose on September 04, 2012, 21:29:10 PM
Yayyyy I'd be shovelling it down him but maybe softly does it, eh? Nice one Rosella  ;D :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: pappilon on September 04, 2012, 21:33:09 PM
Aww bless him :Luv: The main thing is that he is eating .
Does he like cat milk or lil bit of cream maybe. :)
So pleased gorgeous boy is feeling better :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2012, 21:45:05 PM
Love to see him hoovering like that  ;D ;D
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 04, 2012, 21:58:52 PM
A treat for the eye indeed!  :) Can't believe how restrained Billy/Ruby/Millie* (delete as appropriate) was in that first vid by not jumping up to steal his chicken! Was that snuffling sound his nose? Poor little lamb :care:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 04, 2012, 22:08:06 PM
All you have to say to Billy is "Billy no" and he understands Helen.  Clever lad.  He got his turn don't worry  :)   

Yes that's our snuffling Bobby Bob Bob :(  That's nuffink tbh.  It gets upsetting when the coughing starts but I've learned to realise that shifting the phlegm is something to smile over  :shy:

He has now gone to his room with a bowl of smelly muck liquivite laced with bisolven :sick: and a bowl of cat milk.  Would like him to get some liquid down him as it eases congestion apparently.

Dinah isn't really shifting her symptoms very well but thankfully still eating.  We've really thrown caution to the wind as far as letting them all mingle today so hoping the virus doesn't take hold of anyone again  :-:
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Post by: Angiew on September 04, 2012, 22:10:10 PM
 :yesss:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 05, 2012, 08:04:13 AM
Such good news Rosella  :hug: :hug: Topping up the get well vibes for Bobby to help a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 05, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
Got up at 4.30am as couldn't bear to listen to his breathing anymore. 

Put him in his "steam chamber" for 20 mins.  He meowed a little half way through so let him out, he had a quick pee and I popped him back in.  We are sort of getting into the hang of the steam chamber.  He then had a small plate of chickun and washed it down with some liquivite.  He has just had a little more chickun.  He sounds terrible (chickun seems to give him coughing fit) but he continues to eat.  I've cut up more chickun for OH to give him in two lots at lunchtime with a few dollops of liquivite and another chickun breast is thawing out.  I think little and often is the way to go.  Thankfully OH works from home.

Poor Dinah is still very down but thankfully eating ............  She's usually out and about in every kind of weather but just hanging around sleeping all the time.

Am changing title of this thread as think it may be helpful for others if their furbabe gets cat flu. 

Can't think what on earth we would have done if it were Billy who was ill.  Bobby is so compliant  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat? Any tips?
Post by: Dawn F on September 05, 2012, 09:11:26 AM
good to hear he is still eating Rosella
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 05, 2012, 10:54:51 AM
So pleased he is eating and little and often definately the way to go  ;D ;D
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 05, 2012, 16:26:23 PM
Sounds like he is definitely on the road to recovery  ;D Keep up the good work Bobby :care:

Am changing title of this thread as think it may be helpful for others if their furbabe gets cat flu. 

Think you edited the wrong post there Rosella, to change the thread title you need to edit the first post and it will show up as changed when the next person posts on it   :hug:
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat with cat flu? Any tips?
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 05, 2012, 20:41:10 PM
Odd.  Thought I had Helen  :shify: but seems to have worked now and who knows what me addled brain actually did  :) 

Latest bulletin while I'm on is ate fine at lunch and twice again tonight with a little bisolven and fully expect the latest boiled chickun breast to be wolfed down too  :) 

However he still sounds bloody awful so not out of the woods yet and will not rest on laurels until he gets through the night without waking me up with his snorting, sneezing, coughing and wheezing.  Think need to top up on the Olbas Oil for his steam room. 

Not sure if I've mentioned he's a lovely boy?  Maybe I did :innocent: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

No sign of Dinah since lunchtime which I'm assuming is a good thing  :)
Title: Re: Force feeding a cat with cat flu? Any tips?
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 05, 2012, 21:00:52 PM
Title still the same Rosella  :evillaugh: :evillaugh:

Pleased he is eating  ;D ;D
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Post by: sheilarose on September 05, 2012, 21:04:44 PM
I can see there's "cat flu" been added. Hope he continues to improve, sending two whole days worth of vibes for less snot and more chickuns.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 05, 2012, 21:15:23 PM
Oh wasnt that there before  :innocent:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 06, 2012, 08:32:29 AM
Rosella, it certainly sounds like Bobby is heading in the right direction.

Keep up the good work Bobby  :)
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 06, 2012, 08:48:33 AM
Thank you kindly for your thoughts  :hug:

Not a good night unfortunately Allison.  No sleep.  Diarrhoea and throwing up; Bobby that is.  Am hoping that may have helped clear some phlegm but he is still extremely congested.  Steam sesh this morning and has eaten a teeny smidgen of chickun and lapped some liquivite.  Both of which send him into long, coughing/retching sessions.  Our poor boy is really going through the mill.

Seems this cat flu thing involves many ups and downs  :(  He 1st started sneezing on Friday 24th August so almost 2 weeks now.  Am hoping he will not develop a chronic condition.

Groucho seems AOK and Dinah less bunged up than she was. 

One last day of worrying over gingers and then off the hook. 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 06, 2012, 11:12:28 AM
Sorry he has not been good overnight but maybe the congestion is breaking up and he needs to get rid of it  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on September 06, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
Hmmm just done a post and its disappeared.  :shify:   Basically I was sending lots and lots of these for Bobby  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:  with still more of them for you Rosella.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 06, 2012, 12:29:24 PM


Rosella, am gutted to learn Bobby's had another difficult night.  Sending lots of snoozles from Ross and a gentle head pat from me for your poor little lad.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on September 06, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
poor little fella he has had it bad  :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 06, 2012, 21:57:27 PM
Hoping Bobby had a better day and also hope he is settled tonight. :hug:

Thinking about you all :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 06, 2012, 22:24:50 PM
Hope Bobby has a better night tonight  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: madasacatter on September 06, 2012, 22:50:06 PM
Hi Rosella

I have been reading your updates and wanted to cry tears of happiness after seeing his videos.  I hope that you have a much better night with him tonight.  It is so disappointing to hear how he was last night for you guys.  You must be physically  exhausted and mentally, trying to find how to help him get better.

Give him a very gentle stroke from us all here!  I cannot believe he has been hit so hard, such a strong little cat when he left here, and then growing into a bigger cat with you caring for him, this is one nasty virus!

Take care.

 
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 06, 2012, 23:09:19 PM
I know Judith  :(  Can't wait to have our young Bobby bouncing up and down the garden again and Boris is obviously missing his bro to play with.  Bobby looks OK btw Judith in a snotty, sniffly sort of way  :Luv:

He ate nothing all day then I managed to coax him into having some liquivite this evening which kick started his taste buds and he had a go at the minced up chicken breast I got him from Sainsburys.  Think I let him have too much in one sitting and everything came back up again  :(

So left it a while and he had some more liquivite with bisolven in and a very little bit of chicken ........... so far it's stayed down and have left out some more of each in his room but he ain't interested.  VNs are on standby to have him in all day tomorrow as I'm scared of him deteriorating over weekend if he doesn't eat tomorrow.  I clean his nose whenever he sneezes and he's sneezed out quite a lot of  :sick: stuff tonight which is something at least ....

He's being very loving  :Luv2:
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Post by: pappilon on September 06, 2012, 23:29:03 PM
Poor baby :( Sending gentle hugs for Boby and You Rosella :hug: :hug:
How about if you put the cooked ck breast in food processor , it may be easier for Bobby to have it.Sorry just an idea.
Hope he has a better night and you get some rest. Thinking of you :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 07, 2012, 01:12:48 AM
Poor Bobby  :(
Sending lots of gentle snuggles for Bobby and hope he is soon on the mend .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 07, 2012, 07:15:23 AM



How's he been overnight Rosella?  Was thinking about you both - I woke at ten past 3 and thought "wonder what Rosella and Bobby are doing?" and hoping you weren't having to walk the floor with him again.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 07, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
 :thanks: for your concern  :hug:

Got no sleep again  :tired:  but Bobby not bad  :shify:  He ate nothing overnight but did eat last night's offerings this morning  :-:  Wasn't much and can't understand how he can smell chickun that's been left out overnight coz sure it must have dried out.  Left it a while (whilst I sorted out gingers' house for their slaves return home today  :yayyy: ) and then gave him a little more chickun and liquivite.  He ate it.  Coughing sesh after but don't think as bad as usual  :shify: and just hope he keeps it down.  Really must keep meals very very small.  He hasn't had a steam sesh this am either  :shify:

As long as he keeps down what he has eaten until I go to work, we will skip him staying at vet today.

Off to other vet to stock up on liquivite this morning.

Weirdly I was sure I was coming down with a heavy cold last night as throat and head felt rotten but it has cleared this morning.  Sun is out and Bobby's eating.  Excellent medicine for would be head colds  :)

I don't have a food processor Pav.   Me no cook   :innocent:  I do have something or other in one of the cupboards ( a long thin thing  :-: ) that might purée the chickun a little but am too stressed to attempt it.  I'm sure I bought it for when Fred became ill but was too stressed then to try it out either  :evillaugh:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 07, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
Rosella, you must be exhausted  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

You must go through a constant rollercoaster of emotions - elation when Bobby eats then the disappointment when he brings it back up again.

Topping up the get well vibes for Bobby and sending an extra big  :hug: to you.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 07, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
It really sounds like he is turning the corner and do hope so.

I understanf about the roller coaster and the strain on you.

Loads more good vibes for Bobby  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on September 07, 2012, 22:07:36 PM
Topping up the get well vibes for Bobby and the r-e-l-a-x vibes for you Rosella.  :hug:  :hug:  OK OK I realise I'm asking the impossible  but do try to get some sleep.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 07, 2012, 22:11:09 PM
Hope you and Bobby have a better night :hug:

Take care of that cold Rosella :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 07, 2012, 22:13:27 PM
:care: for Bobby and :hug: for you
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Post by: sheilarose on September 07, 2012, 22:17:53 PM
Hoping you both have a better night, Rosella.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 08, 2012, 07:59:47 AM
OK so I think  :shify: we have started on the recovery road at last  :phew:  Can't bring myself to use dancing banana until he sounds a good deal better. 

We have now gone 24 hours of eating, drinking and ............ wait for it......... two da mousey seshuns ......... very staid, slow seshuns but bright eyed ones. 

Bobby still sounds bad BUT so much better than he did  :)

As a thank you for your support and concern I now share a video that sadly shows the depth of Boris' distress over his brother Bobby's illness  :( :( :(   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zjx39kWQyA


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Post by: Angiew on September 08, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
Poor old Boris - no doubt he's been up all night tempting his brother with tasty morsels while nasty mummy and daddy have been  :Party 3:  and :very Busy: all these nights.....

 :run:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 08, 2012, 08:49:57 AM
 :evillaugh:

So pleased to hear he has turned a corner. Have everything crossed that things continue like this :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 08, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
Mazy this long contimnue back to full health  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 09, 2012, 07:11:15 AM


Just popping by to see how our young man is, and I can see he's looking brighter.  And Boris is looking - well,like Boris  :evillaugh:  So relieved for you Rosella, and hope those dancing bananas will be out celebrating very soon.   :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 09, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Bobby was allowed outdoor supervised access yesterday for a total of an hour or so and continued to eat OKish. 

He has eaten alot this morning, just over a pouch and it's normal cat fud with bisolven in.  Have allowed unsupervised access for an hour this morning and he has come back in now.  He's not exactly full of beans; tired, a little wobbly still and very congested but Bobby is, I feel, out of the nasty dark woods now ......... 

:yayyy: .......... just the one banana.  Don't want to tempt fate esp as Dinah is sneezing alot this morning ........ She is taking a while to fully shift it but she's bright as a button  :)

Thanks for all the support pals  :hug: 
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 09, 2012, 10:46:25 AM
Meant to ask if anyone has any idea how long a cat normally takes to shift very bad congestion?

I remember it took many, many weeks in the past for me if I took a nasty cold but that was when I was a smoker.  I'm pretty sure Bobby has never inhaled ciggy smoke in his life  :shify: 

Unfortunately he hasn't learned how to blow his nose and I cannot always get a tissue to his nose after a sneezing sesh before he has already used his tongue  :sick: :sick: :sick:

I have a feeling we need to be patient on the congestion front  :(
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Post by: sheilarose on September 09, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
I'm the same, Rosella, even though I've been off the ciggies for five years I still hold onto chesty colds longer than I should.  :doh:

I seem to recall Rufus's chest cleared up pretty quickly after his run-in with the 'flu back in the 80s. He was only 6 months old at the time, though, and didn't seem to suffer the lengthy infection poor Bobby has been under.  :care:

I guess it's up to Bobby to get himself up and about. A bit of fresh air, sun and exercise usually helps me, perhaps if he takes an interest in the outside again he'll get those lungs working properly again.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 09, 2012, 11:27:02 AM
Napoleon and Ducha took quite a while and they werent as bad as Bobby, I reckon you are looking at least another month and hope its quicker than that  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 09, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
So pleased to hear the news ;D :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 09, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
..... I reckon you are looking at least another month

I think you are right Gill and I must learn to relax a little more.  Am happy atm that he is on an upwards trend. 

He is so cute.  His whole body moves as he shakes his head after a big sneeze and he has to splay his legs to stop himself falling over; just like a young fawn  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Liz on September 09, 2012, 19:26:01 PM
Sending Bobby and his Mum lots of International hugs and long may the feeding frenzy continue

Sending special vibes for Miss Dinah to

Takes about a month to clear it all up we had 29 with stress related cat flu after we moved so sending lots of sympathy of course the majority of ours were ferals which made things a little more awkward but they all recovered some still have the odd runny eye but its the nice ones and they are used to Mummy eye cleaning now
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 10, 2012, 07:21:14 AM



I think it will take time too, Rosella.  he's had a bad episode of it, bless him.  But its great that he's eating and showing an interest in being out again.  Baby steps lead to bigger ones.   :hug: :hug:  Wobbly ones lead to stronger ones.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 10, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
What fabulous news Rosella  ;D ;D and what a relief it must be for you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 12, 2012, 16:27:00 PM
How's Bobby been getting on over the last few days Rosella?  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 12, 2012, 17:38:58 PM
It's been onwards and upwards since Saturday thanks Helen. 

Getting stronger every day and really very much less congested/wheezy since yesterday so am very much hoping no long term probs.  TBH unless you had been through it, or had to put up with me dragging you through it  ;) , you'd never believe anything ever ailed him.  OK  :shify: so the occasional monster sneeze when he sprays all within a foot's distance  :sick: but other than that ................

Now you know how careful I am with use of dancing bananas but think we can safely post a couple now  :yayyy: :yayyy:

Thanks everyone for your support and concern.  Nice place Purrs is.    :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 12, 2012, 17:51:55 PM
This is great news Rosella  ;D ;D
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Post by: sheilarose on September 12, 2012, 18:04:02 PM
So pleased for wee Bobby. What a lovely boy he is. Well done Rosella  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 12, 2012, 20:14:38 PM
You know Sheila, he is loveliest boy ever and has been ever since he arrived before Christmas (insert very proud mum smiley here although Judith at Covcats of course is completely responsible  :) ) 

He's an absolute darling, lanky lad  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

He and his brother are the very brightest of shining stars  :) :) :)
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Post by: pappilon on September 12, 2012, 21:46:57 PM
Aww Well done Bobby and his mum. :hug: :hug:
He is  :Luv2: :Luv2: x
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 12, 2012, 21:57:57 PM
Very pleased to hear this Rosella  :hug: Such a beautiful boy who had us all worried there  :Luv: