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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: Guest on August 01, 2011, 20:32:49 PM
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Rosella has a female tribe.
I have always found that boys get on together better but then girl cats do as well - it as much an individuality thing as anything else.
You cannot predict how the introduction of any cat will change the dynamics therefore I think you should go for the one that steals your heart (as long as its not the manic cat hater from hell) and be prepared to be patient when it comes to letting them sort out their own hierarchy.
If you have a cat that then refuses to come in, force the issue as they will never gel - perhaps putting one is a pen and swapping. Expect spats and sulks and you may be pleasantly suprised by everything going fantastic.
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I think females are more difficult than boys and I only have one LOL but someone like Rosella has first hand knowledge and also Gillian but I suspect its down to the individual cats .
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Oh Blimey. I've been mentioned twice :allears:
We have 4 gals and 3 boys. Adore em all :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: Wippa snapper boy just "replacing" the main dominant angel boy :'(. I think Fred's dominance BTW was very much down to the fact that he was neutered VERY late on....
The early neutered boys are soft as anything but so are the early neutered gals that haven't had little uns (Millie and Ruby). Noni and, esp Dinah, are wot I would describe as archetypical dominant female cats (sorry JS but Noni is no pushover...)
I had two girls many years ago .... my darling angels Baron and Dingle........ I had them both together from young kittens and they got on fine.
I have to say that boys that have been neutered on time are easier than gals but I do love the gals' more independent spirit. Are you looking for a pal for Archie to play with? If so I would go for a young lad...... but as Angie says.......... who knows...............
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As you know, I have two girls. We were told they're sisters but you'd never think to look at them and their personalities are chalk and cheese. They don't behave like littermates either - no mutual grooming or anything.
They get on, as in they tolerate each other - will sleep on the bed with us but never sleep together. They'll eat together and be in the same room, most of the time without incident. Occasionally they'll have a spat but it's nothiing more than a raised paw, they don't spit. They'll chase each other sometimes, when they're having a bit of a "mad hour".
(Although one day I came home to find spots of blood on the duvet from Bass' ear which had been torn! However, I really don't think it was a proper fight, probably just a misplaced claw!)
Not sure if any of that helps!
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Having a good mix of boys and girls here at the Clan can I add my two penneth worth
Our boys are sociable, and affectionate and all have me very well trained they tend to be the instigators when there are things they think need sorted ie establishing the pecking order and Bailey bad Boy Wilson is now Alpha male beacuse he put a couple of the others back in the pack meanwhile my wonderful girls now all mainly ferals are led by Clio who assumed the role as she had lived with us the longest after Sweetie died and nobody gives her any aggro one look like Sweetie is enough even my Big dogs lie down when she walks in a room :shocked:
If introductions are done well and the natural pecking order is followed them either will fit in my 2 youngest Kali and Sherbert former feral hooligans know that a look from Bailey and Clio means back off we need out beauty sleep
They do establish their order and I alsways fed HRH Sweetie first and Bailey and Clio get treats first followed by the masses but they know to wait till the elders of the Clan have had first go
Whatever baby comes to your home will be very lucky to have wonderful parents and siblings it may not be what you expect though so I would keep an open mind and see who captures your heart ;D
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I think it really does depend on personalities rather than gender. There was an immediate clash with the one male I introduced (Jasper) to my (then) group of about 10, between him and long time resident Harry, but.....Harry also had an immediate dislike of Lacie who came 3 yrs ago - and the feeling was (and is ;) ) mutual. Apart from Gwynnie who came as a kitten, all the cats who've joined the group have been adults, and mostly much older adults (Jasper was 13 when he came). The girls of the group have generally accepted both male and female newbies, but, again, there was a clash between BB (f)and Lacie when Lacie first arrived. Kittens are defintely easier to integrate whatever the gender.
So....I don't think that really helps much either lol! :innocent:
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I've never had 2 girls together only 2 boys in fact only had 2 cats at any one time. However personality wise I would say that both the girls we have had, Penny and Byron (we very sadly didn't have Bonnie long enough to say) were both independent and madamish but you could definitely tell they were female, both very sensitive to how I felt. The lads I've found have accepted other cats better and been less stroppy but as I say I've never introduced a female to a female only male to female and they both give em what for at first :evillaugh:
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I've only had boys so can't really advise! I do think it's more down to individual personality rather than male/female though.
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I've got three females and a male - I do think its personality that counts to be honest, Amber and Tilly love everyone, Star would much rather be an only cat but will mix with the others
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Noni and, esp Dinah, are wot I would describe as archetypical dominant female cats (sorry JS but Noni is no pushover...)
And good for her. ;)
Simon, I personally don't believe colouration or gender is a massive deciding factor in a multicat household. I firmly believe it's all down to personality. When I had a group of five cats, there were three girls (Carrie, Parsley and Sage) as well as two boys. (Jack and Toby.) There were very rarely disruptions and if they were it was minor and in the form of Jack "asserting himself" by bopping Toby on the head. This happened so rarely it didn't actually seem to bother Toby. There was never any disharmony between the girls.
The group we have now is two girls (Sage and Astryd) and a boy (Darwin.) and the group dynamic isn't slightly off kilter because of the girls.... ;) I love him dearly, but will readily admit Darwin is the disruptor due to being so hyper and full on around other cats.
The thing to remember is there's NEVER a guarantee a cat will fit into the group dynamic. All you can do is take your cats personalities into account and try and find a personality you think will cause minimum disruption to them. :hug: :hug:
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Aw, she's gorgeous - looks a bit like Drum!
When are you going to see her again?
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I have my fingers crossed for you, its like my Benji, he was returned to the rescue as he had a runny bum and vet cleared 20 minutes before we went in to chose a cat. Heres hoping that fate plays a hand for you too!
she looks lovely! and like she could handle your young ruffian!
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She is lovely and Angie is a commonsense person and I am sure she would rather have a cat rehomed in a good home than sitting in a cage ;D
Best of luck :hug: :hug:
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Well, I really believe the cat chooses its slave!
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I'm really looking forward to the next instalment of "Simon's Cat"! (Or should that be "Simon's Next Cat"?) ;D
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Sorry to be a grammar nazi (actually, I'm not but never mind)... that should be Simon's Cats (no apostrophe!).
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:rofl:
Joking aside, if you adopt Princess you WILL have to change your forum name - Ella & Archie & Princess is way too long!
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I have 2 girls and 2 boys and they all tolerate each other. My Mum and Dad and three girls and 1 boys and they all sleep together, groom each other and love each other.
I hope Princess fits into your little family ... she is lovely.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh a headlock, thats what Loopy does to poor Ducha and then by the look of Duchas whiskers, they are being chomped at.......sigh
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Waiting with baited breath again ;)
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My fingers are well and truly crossed for you Si.
Love that photo of her and so glad to see Effie's photo is back :Luv2: :hug:
Mary
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Keeping everything crossed for you!
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Fingers and toes crossed here too :hug:
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Beautiful girl. Just noticed the signature :evillaugh: Fingers crossed here too :wish:
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Well although she will be my Princess, I will have to change her name. Princess is the name of the daughter of Katie Price and me standing on the door step shouting "Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnncess" is just too chav for words.
:rofl: I didn't know that!
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It would be crazy if the cat flap thing stopped her from having a fabulous home, they only need to read a handful of your posts on here to see how much you love your cats and what a fantastic home they have :hug:
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Good luck. :hug:
If the cat flap is an issue you could always get one and keep it locked except when they come to check. :evillaugh: Expensive solution I know but if it gets you your Princess ..............
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Someone I know adopted two kittens from Celia Hammond on condition she got a cat flap installed.
(She did eventually, but not for several months!)
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Good luck. :hug:
If the cat flap is an issue you could always get one and keep it locked except when they come to check. :evillaugh: Expensive solution I know but if it gets you your Princess ..............
I was going to say the same. If it's possible to get a cat flap installed then you could put one in but as to whether you use it - well only you can decide the actual how and whens of when your cats actually go out ;)
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Since February? Poor little thing! :(
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I personally find it causes them frustration trying to get out of it when it is locked.
Yes, I think thats right, and I don't blame you for standing your ground.
I don't understand why not having a cat flap makes any difference whatsoever. If thats a deciding factor when looking for potential homes - then I despair :( Its just ridiculous Surely if they can see its obviously working for Ella and Archie, they cannot object?
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I personally find it causes them frustration trying to get out of it when it is locked.
I don't understand why not having a cat flap makes any difference whatsoever. If thats a deciding factor when looking for potential homes - then I despair :( Its just ridiculous Surely if they can see its obviously working for Ella and Archie, they cannot object?
totally agree
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I personally find it causes them frustration trying to get out of it when it is locked.
Yes, I think thats right, and I don't blame you for standing your ground.
Me too. I bought a cat flap but have never got round to fitting it as, like Simon, I only let the boys out when I'm in (even though my garden is catproofed) and I just know that if I had a flap they would pummel it to within an inch of it's life when it was locked and would just be a source of frustration to them.
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What they have never had they won't miss in my opinion. To be honest we said yes will will fit one but never have. The kittens go out when we are about and when it is safe and I think they are quite happy with this. We don't want to risk anything happening to them so now they only go out in a cat proofed area.
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You could always have a catflap in a box sitting on the side when they come for a home check and then not fit it :evillaugh: :sneaky:
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Not lying just be economical with the truth ;)
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Aw Simon, just read the new title of this thread - that's completely unfair.
No disrespect to the rescue involved (nor to any rescues) but at times like this when rescues everywhere are overflowing and when more and more people are getting rid of their cats, I do think that some rules should be relaxed.
You already have two happy, healthy cats, I really don't know what more they could ask for.
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Princess has been in a cage since February - that's far, far worse.
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unbelievable, just the sort of thing that makes people avoid rescues
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That's so unfair and I so disagree with blanket rules like that. It's not as though you are saying you want to keep her as an indoor cat - you are just saying you want to control her comings and goings which is what a lot of people do. Unfortunately it's cats like Princess who suffer due to them.
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I totally agree with what you say as we don't have cat flaps either I like to control the Clans movements to and spend several hours in the evening rounding them up due to my feral odd door and window selection sometimes I feel like an army general moving hte cats around so the ferals can come in and nobdy gets past me :shocked:
So sad that they aren't willing to budge in a small incidental item like that because she would have had a wonderful home with you all and there in lies a lot of problems for rescues who can't see past a minor thing like that and will have her in a pen for god knows how long instead of in a loving home :hug:
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I assume from title change that you have definitely been refused and Princess is to remain in the pen in the hope that another home will be offered? Oh dear :( :( :(
You may not be up for this Simon but I would encourage you to drop the rescue something in writing explaining exactly how the comings and goings work in your home. I imagine the main reason for rescues insisting on a catflap is that, without one, a cat would normally find itself locked out rather than in?
Have to say our lot are very frustrated atm due to usual 24/7 access being interfered with as the catflap is set to "in only" when Boris is out of his room. However, you must feel a great deal more frustrated with rescues' catflap rule. I am sure they are as full to the brim as others and it is sad to think that this little lady could have such excellent slaves :( :(
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I'm sad for you and your OH and also sad for Princess :( :hug:
Aw Simon, just read the new title of this thread - that's completely unfair.
No disrespect to the rescue involved (nor to any rescues) but at times like this when rescues everywhere are overflowing and when more and more people are getting rid of their cats, I do think that some rules should be relaxed.
You already have two happy, healthy cats, I really don't know what more they could ask for.
I was going to type a reply but Jezebel has said exactly what I was going to say.
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I am sorry to hear this and also sorry for little Princess. Two many rules and regulations spoiling the future for needy little ones.
I wonder what exactly she is in now if not a prison :(
There will be a cat there for you to love I'm sure and I hope Princess gets the home she deserves.
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Just catching up on this... it's really very sad.. and makes me quite angry... my girls never go out as I feel it would be too dangerous on account of their deafness (although I'm considering lead training them in the near future) and are very loved happy and content. The shelter I got them from recognised this. How can they justify such a decision when she's been unhomes for so long? :(
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and makes me quite angry...
Me too >:( What is wrong with this rescue?
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Sadly this is not the first instance I have heard of local to me also. I have rehomed several cats quite happily where there is no cat flap - one of my little kittens Lunar is going to a new home this week without one. They are fitting one next year, when she is spayed and old enough to go out. Some of these cats have gone to loving homes who have been turned down by other rescues for this reason.
I personally (and this is only my opinion) prefer there NOT to be a flap initally as there is less chance for a cat to gain access to the outside in the first few weeks.
Mine is on "in-only" from tea-time, but my little Lily can still hook it open! :naughty: Frustratingly she has also kindly taught Polly - shy CovCats foster - to do the same in the last few weeks :shocked: so I have now 2 nauty-tortie-white girls to try to get and keep in each night. Get one in, then try to get other before 1st escapes again. Madness at times! Must be something in the colour :rofl:
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Simon :hug:
I take it Princess has a cat flap fitted to this wonderful jail she is currently in.
Nothing against people with cat flaps but when I rehome I breathe a sigh of relief if there isnt a catflap because I know the human will end up being a doorman/lady just like me.
You have 2 choices either take it further and fight until you get Princess or find a rescue thats run by really caring people such as Angie. Only you can decide what you are going to do but the sooner you take action the sooner some very lucky cat gets to join your family.
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You mean they've changed their minds?
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I took it to mean rejected again???
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I took it to mean rejected again???
Oh :(
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Very good email Simon. I do hope sense prevails :hug:
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Simon, your response to them was fantastic. Your passion and caring really came across, and your arguments were well thought through and well put.
If they don't reconsider you after that, they have hearts of stone (no pun intended!).
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That's an excellent letter! Well Done.
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I think that's a great letter and I really hope they reconsider their decision. I hadn't realised Princess was formerly an indoor cat - that makes it all even more bonkers. Not only are they saying that a formerly indoor cat must have outdoor access (obviously you don't have a problem with that) but on top of that they are insisting she be allowed to come and go freely through a cat flap and should not be confined indoors during the day! She might end up being a cat who prefers to not go out much.
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If they decline again I for one would be very happy to write to them too - I think they are out of their trees!!! >:(
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Brilliant letter :wow: - I'm just so cross that you have to justify yourselves to them though >:(
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I am horrified to read all of this, how can they call themselves a rescue when they are not prepared to be open to all kinds of homes that offer a great life for a cat who is shut in one of their prison cells.
Sounds like they do not really care about the quality of the new owners only that they must allow any cat outside no matter what the situation is.................even Sasa a semi feral was scared to go outside after spending over a year in a pen and it was her choice to go out when she did. She spent 3 months sitting on the window sill with Misa just watching outside.
All rescues are bursting with cats needing homes and wonder how many cats this ummmmmmmmm rescue has turned away because they are full!
I do hope your letter makes them think again :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Hope the peeps at this rescue come to their senses.
So sad that a wonderful home is being offered where it is so clear that the cats are loved and adored and cared for and they cannot see beyond their "rules".
Don't let this get you down - the right cat is out there waiting for you - I hope it is Princess :hug: :hug:
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how terrible for you to be declined over a cat flap. i don't have a cat flap but my cats are happy and they do have a routine where they go out when we are in and then come in just as it is getting dark. i'm sure my cats are more than happy with our situation.
And they wonder why they are struggling to find new homes when they base their criteria for new homes on such trivial things. just because someone has a cat flap does not mean they are going to be a good home. i remember a family being turned down a pet rabbit from a rescue that i volunteered for. the family had done the research, had a letter from their vets and had even built a bunny mansion but the hutch was a few centimetres short of the rescue's criteria and dispite the family buliding it themselves and making it 2 floors, they were rejected. the family ended up buying a rabbit from the pet shop and the rabbit they wanted? well 3 years later it was still in the same pen and then i left the rescue so i don't know any further info. surely that rabbit would have been better off with a family who had shown so much willing and potential than sitting in a pen for so long?
nowadays i point family and friends in the direction of smaller rescues whom i believe to have different ideas than those of the larger countrywide rescues.
if this does not end up with you having princess as your own, i'm sure you will find one just as needy. *hugs*
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my personal opinion is also anti catflap. after reading the vicky halls books i can see that they are a week point in a cats defense of its safe den. i also know that my cats rarely leave the door unguarded when its left open so i cannot see how they would be comfortable with a cat flap. i have had numerous cat-loving friends tell me that this is cruel and controlling and it stems from a lack of understanding of how cats think. some have listened to the counter arguments and read up and changed their minds.
As a rescue we dont turn potential adopters away because of a cat flap (presence or absence) but it may be taken into account for some cats.
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Si there are a couple of things bothering me
1- Sure you said that the first offer of a home fell through after a couple of weeks ? Did she actually go to the home and come back?
2- Did you say she has been in rescue for a few months ? If this is the case WHY cant the rescue tell you how she behaves with other cats ?
Cat Flaps not important but making sure that the cat is right for the home is, I know you have a wonderful home to offer :hug: and I know you would love her :hug: BUT little things are niggling me and I dont want to spoil things for you but I think Princess may not be what Ella and Archie want. Really hope I am wrong :hug:
As for this other rescue, they should take a good look at the harm they are doing.
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How awful :(
Mine only have outdoor access when i'm home and can supervise them, they certainly aren't unhappy or deprived cats!
Hope the appeal letter works :hug:
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Hi Si
"Princess lived with a dog in her previous home which she got on well with, it is not known how she behaves with other cats."
Obviously the rescue cant even be bothered with proper assessment.
Si if you think she will fit in with your purrfect family then fight tooth and nail, take it to the press if need be.
Sorry I cant offer support as I dont do Facebook, but Good Luck with her, I cant think of anyone more deserving :hug:
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for my two penneth -they clearly state she needs gradual introduction to the outside world -you could argue that is not a cat flap situation !
I don't have outdoor cats and never will -there are enough needing indoor homes to keep me busy :innocent: but surely at this time when everywhere is crying out for good homes then to refuse on this is just nitpicking >:(
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You sound just the purrfect home for Princess but thought I would just add what we do, as a rescue, at homecheck time. Firstly, if there is no cat flap we do ask if willing to put one in or not. If not - and there are many reasons why not including expense in installing one in double glazed upvc doors - we ask what will happen if you go out for the day, either to work or just for a day out - ie if kept in with litter tray until you come back (ticked box) or if not willing to have litter tray, what will happen (no ticked box). We do stress that the Animal Welfare Act 2006 requires appropriate shelter and we always suggest if prospective owner not willing to have cat flap or litter tray indoors, then they must have cat flap in garden shed or other outbuilding so cat has shelter from weather and food and water at all times.
I always stress that cats left locked outside with no shelter will wander in bad weather. Usually someone will notice this and take them in, dry them off and feed them and then you have lost your cat as it will perpetually wander between 2 houses and will probably take up residence in the one that looks after them better ( I may put it more tactfully LOL!).
Anyway, if you came to us, we would not turn you down on lack of cat flap as the overall care seems fab and you sound so caring and I am sure many other rescues would take the same line. However, the dynamics of Princess with other cats is another issue and this has to be down to the rescue concerned. We have had some lovely people look at some of our cats and you just know what is going to work and what is not. It may be just a gut feeling on the part of the rescue that your excellent setup is just not quite right for Princess. This is no reflection on you on you or your partner personally or the love and care you give your lovely duo.
I have looked at a few of your threads and, although there may be a connection between you and her, I just wonder if perhaps the best thing would be to let your 2 lovely babes, Ellie & Archie, settle for a while longer on their own and then look at adding at a later date when the dynamics of the existing two may have settled down after their loss and yours too.
Many good wishes for whatever route you decide to take. :hug:
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It may be just a gut feeling on the part of the rescue that your excellent setup is just not quite right for Princess.
Then surely they should say that? at least then Si would know exactly where he stands. :)
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Leave your name with them and step back, but call every day to check if Princess is OK. ;)
They will soon get the idea you are very serious, whatever (Whatever?) their misgivings about your catflap status.
I can see what Streetz is getting at, but I do feel you need another chance with Princess - can you ask for feedback from your home visit as to WHY your application was rejected? Just stating "no cat flap", when they themselves stated she needed careful introduction to the outdoors, is inadequate. :(
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Si just a thought as she was a housecat in her previous home why would she now suddenly need a cat flap
have they done your homecheck yet sorry if I missed this bit
I would home one of mine to you Si if that helps and I have left very expensive homes who talk the the talk but not have a caring bone before left one lady at a 2.5 million pound house at Gleneagles when she said they won't have litter trays and can't they hold on like the dog does - no I replies and added no cats from me either!!!!
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I just checked the website for your rescue (found it from Princess's description) and they state that they only rehome cats to homes without catflaps "occasionally".
Can you determine from them what those circumstances are? :shify:
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Sorry to interrupt but.......
I just checked the website for your rescue......... and they state that they only rehome cats to homes without catflaps "occasionally". Can you determine from them what those circumstances are? :shify:
Now we're cooking :)
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I'd definitely ask why they feel Princess isn't suited to a home without a cat flap. And if that is just a get out, what the actual reason is. Politely, obviously. :) But the way you write about your cats indicates a caring home and if the rescue has more information making it clear that you adore your cats I think maybe they'd want to reconsider. Good homes are hard to come by at the moment.
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You could not have a cat flap on either side of the conservatory, into the garden and into the house?
If you put the innermost flap in backwards, you could even create a kind of lock, controlled entry on one end, controlled exit on the other end
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Si have asked to join the group on Fb and will give them something to think about our lot must think I am a terrible mother I control the in and out timings and my inside lot know where they should be
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Simon, this is so unfair. Even though we have a catflap our five only go out when we are home and they are quite happy with that. Surely the rescue aren't suggesting they prefer cats to be out at night ? Anyway, sorry am not on Facebook but wishing you all the best - Princess is a gorgeous girl. Have you contacted your local paper as I am sure you would get support from fellow cat lovers and I can't think the rescue are in a position to want bad publicity.
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Si I've been reading your thread in general cat chat and I'm so sorry you have been turned down. For our part we don't have a blanket policy on any aspects of rehoming and neither does CP in general as far as I'm aware and I've been doing this for few years now. We concentrate very much on each cat's individual needs and personality and rehome to indoor, outdoor, with and without cat flaps and all sorts of variations in-between! We do recommend that people keep their cats in at night and even where cats are outdoor types we ask that people provide a litter tray indoors for when they are in the house and make sure there is some form of shelter for them if they are outside when someone is out and the person doesn't have a cat flap for them to get back inside. I feel it's wrong to assume that because a cat is young they need to a. Go outside as a matter of course and b. That any outdoor access must be fully free and unfettered. My two are both indoor cats because I live right next to a busy bypass and while Luna would probably be ok outdoors Hobbes has a severe panic attack going out in his carrier to the vet so even if I had a cat flap he wouldn't use it. If I ever manage to move to a safer area I would be taking the same stance as you and they would only be out while I'm around. This seems a very short sighted way of rehoming given the problems so many of us are having finding good homes. You can't have a one size fits all policy which only serves to leave cats in care for many months when good homes come up that don't fit some arbitrary criteria. I agree with others that you need to be sure Princess is the right cat for you and your cats but if you are sure, and I know you will have considered things very carefully, then I say go for it and try all avenues possible. We would have no hesitation in homing to you. Sorry for the long post, got carried away!
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I'm amazed at this. On e things for sure they definitely wouldnt let us have a cat
We have two cat flaps. That probably would please them. However the one at the end of the cooker room (like a tiny pantry area) leads out into a custom made cat run. They wouldn't approve of that!
When we go out, the cats are in & flap to run closed. At night same thing.
The other flap is in the door between the cooker room & living room. Our back is a bit strange. Leading off the cooker room to the right is a large utility room & the back stairs. Upstairs there is the sun room & the cat room where they have toys & tunnels etc. Used to be a houseplant room pre cats :) so our cats have those rooms plus their run so we dont feel they are deprieved in any way although we have had comments passed about it being cruel not letting them out to roam. I guess you can never win. I do hope this rescue reconsider, you speak with such passion & strength. Im sure they must be able to bend the rules this oncel
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Wow!
Just caught up with everything. Wow! Can't believe how incredibly obtuse this rescue is being!!! When we got Cooper & Peanut, they were harping on about having access to a catflap, even though C&P were both indoor cats before going into rescue. Cooper wouldn't even entertain the idea of going outside, he couldnt even understand how to go through the bloomin thing!! :evillaugh:
Who's to say Princess would want to go out anyway?? She might be perfectly happy staying inside where all the cuddles are!!
I feel sad for both you Simon and Princess. That email to them was spot on and I will be keeping all fingers, toes and paws crossed for you :hug:
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I don't think I will win this as when I was explaining myself and I said that I would lock a cat flap at dark anyway as I wouldn't let my cats out anyway the woman was like "oh so you would shut them in anyway" in a disapproving voice.
I find that astonishing. Don't most large cat organisations such as FAB, CP etc. recommend that cats are kept in at night due to the increased likelihood of RTAs occurring at night? I find it alarming that this rescue thinks cats should be allowed out at night and would actually turn someone down because they plan to keep a cat in at night. Although I feel terribly sorry for Princess, and other cats like her, who are being denied the chance of a loving home due to rigid and nonsensical rules, and also for you as you are missing out on a cat you have set your heart on, but there will be another cat out there who you will fall in love with. And another rescue that will not put the rulebook ahead of doing what's right for their cats.
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Signed up to join the group. xx
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I would hold off sending them the fb link, at least until you've heard from them again in response to your letter. It's just possible that there might be someone higher up who will realise that they are being too rigid, esp in relation to a cat who was formerly kept indoors all the time. You could jeopardise that if they feel they are under attack via fb campaign.
Also, I assume you emailed the letter? It might be worth actually printing it and sending it to them. It might reach a different person and it's harder to ignore a letter than an email. It's easy to just click on reply and send a curt email in response but a written letter requires a written reply and that is likely to come from someone more senior and to contain a more considered response.
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37 members overnight, it should make them think again......
And, Simon, DO cause trouble!!!
It is downright criminal to keep these poor cats locked up in small cages while they could have good, loving homes.
Kick up a huge stir, for the sake of Princess and ALL these other poor cats being denied a home!!!!!
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have joined and posted on the wall, I can not believe they are doing this and do not even seem to be considering changing their minds! It has made me angry and I have not even met Princess, so I can not imagine what you must be feeling!
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I know of the rescue you're referring to, and I do think they are shooting themselves in the foot by adhering so stringently to some arbitrary policy, but there you go. I wish you the best of luck in your appeal. :)
I volunteer for a rescue in Bedfordshire and I think you sound like you can offer a fantastic home. In fact, if you ever wanted to adopt from us I'd be happy to personally homecheck you myself.
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Just to say, I'm not ignoring this thread but felt a bit awkward commenting on it! :-[
I'm trying to think if we'd back down if we refused a home to someone and they protested too much.
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I thought the same Angie, I think the rescue I go to would probably dig their heels in further - although for the record I think Simon would be a great owner and the whole cat flap thing is too sweeping
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I think your letter was very appropriate Simon and have everything crossed that it achieves results.
The FB campaign though............. really not at all sure that is going to be helpful....... :hug:
Listen to me eh? :-[ When rehoming Fred from RSPCA back in 2006, I gave them an awful time over having to wait for a home check whilst poor Fred remained in a pen. I've just re read the two page letter I sent at the time and it was a corker :-[ I ended up speaking to the new manager of the branch for about 40 mins after she received my letter. Obviously she was pointing out their need for more homecheckers :-[
I think it is far better to be home checked before looking wherever possible. When you have effectively chosen your new furrie, it is deeply upsetting thinking of them remaining in a pen instead of being with you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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You've made a very good case and I think you should now give them time to consider your arguments.
I doubt their decision is something they could change their minds about (or be seen to change their minds about!) in a heartbeat. If it were me, I'd give them 48 hours and then follow up the email with a polite phone call.
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I've been AWOL from Purrs for a while so am just catching up.
What an awful situation you are in. What I'd say is preserve with it but give them time to respond and take it as high as possible.
I've said this before on Purrs but when we first looked into getting a cat, we were turned down by our local CP because we wanted indoor cats, and we were prepared to wait for a suitable cat to come in. I was also asked where a cat flap would go, when I said we wouldn't need it for indoor cats they also said they'd rather we still had one. All nonsense to be honest. We did rehome 2 indoor boys from NAWT and in time we introduced them to the garden and now they go no further and only go out with supervised access.
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You've made a very good case and I think you should now give them time to consider your arguments.
I agree. Give them time. Although I think it's unlikely they will change their mind, whilst there's any possibility at all of it happening you don't want to aggravate them. Given the fact that you've sent them a written letter as well as an email, you need to give them time to respond. A quick response will almost certainly be a no. You've stated your case (and a very good one it is too) now you need to give them time to consider the points you made. If they are going to do a u turn, they won't do it on a whim and they certainly won't do it in response to a facebook petition or if they feel they are being mithered. If their response is still a firm no, then a facebook petition asking them to reconsider blanket policies and to be a bit more flexible re individual cats is a great idea. But until then you need to try and stay in favour.
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Well that'll set the cat among the pigeons :innocent:
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They must be out of their minds.....
ither that, or they are cat hoarders who cannot bear to part with their cats, even if they go to a much better place.
How can they go by guidelines that are NOT AT ALL beneficial to the cats?????
A cat flap is not a magic wand, it is an automatic doorman.
Why have an automatic doorman if you have a live one willing to do the job in a far safer and sensible way than a machine ever could?
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I hear the sound of heels being dug in....sorry, Simon.
Their policy is a strange one, so inflexible in these days of necessity, I hope it doesn't come back to bite them (and Princess :( )
So, you've nothing to lose - go for it, let's have the explanations of this ridiculous policy, or the truth if they're hiding any genuine concerns behind rhetoric.
I do think they will want to review it after all this negative publicity, but the catalyst is seldom rewarded.
If it's any consolation, you've certainly made an impression here :Luv2: ...
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I think this is a symptom of a wider issue with society at the moment - no commonsense!
We now live in a culture where there are rules and regulations for everything, so much so that most people are now unable to make a decision based on their own judgement.
Sad.
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Sorry to hear that, Simon.
They are the kind of people who give rescues a bad name. It's hard to criticise anyone for buying a cat from free ads etc. when there are rescues demonstrating such inflexibility. Guidelines are for guidance. Blanket rules are for people who aren't capable of making an informed decision. Whatever happened to common sense? I find it most bizarre, and actualy quite alarming, that they consider every cat should have 24/7 access to come and go as they please. Letting a cat like Princess, who has been an indoor cat up to now, have that sort of access right away would be totally irresponsible imo.
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I emailed them:
Dear sirs,
for the past 2 days, I have been anxiously following the adoption process of Princess by Simon and Sean Stone.
I know Simon through a cat rescue forum, and I have a great regard for him, for his love of his cats, and for the sensible and consistent way in which he always lets the cats' interests prevail over what might be most convenient for him.
I think you couldn't find a better home for Princess, with better, more loving and caring owners, anywhere un the UK.
So, as a cat lover AND as a rescue worker, I can only say that if you let your guidelines get in the way of this adoption, there must be something fundamentally wrong with your guidelines.
I read your description of Princess (on your website). According to you, Princess has always been an indoor cat, and is very timid too, so you - quite rightly - state she should be introduced to the outdoors with great care. Your demand for a cat flap is in flagrant contradiction with this (your very OWN) demand for a gradual and careful introduction to the outdoors. A cat like Princess could get spooked by strange sounds and smells only too easily. She is not accustomed to a garden OR a cat flap, so she would probably bolt in the wrong direction and get herself killed.
The method suggested by the Stones, on the other hand, the method they also applied when introducing their king and queen Archie and Ella to the garden, seems to be tailor-made for a cat like Princess, and fits your description of the ideal approach to a T.
So what IS your problem????
The only reason I can imagine for this shambles is that someone in the rescue spoke way out of turn, and you are now protecting that person. For if this is truly your policy: no adoption of an INDOOR cat unless you have a catflap, and rather keeping the poor blighters cooped up in a pen with no outdoors at all, you make no sense at all, and are completely out of touch with reality.
What is your aim?
Rehoming cats to spacious homes with lovely gardens they can play in, and adoring people to cater to their every need, or hoarding them in little pens untill a prince on a white horse comes riding in to take them to his chrystal palace????
If so, you missed something, as Princess's prince came in last saturday and the saturday before, his name is Simon.
Be fair, admit you mistake, and allow Princess to be adopted into cat heaven, being the Stone family home!!!!!
Anja van Weeszenberg
cat owner and rescue volunteer
The Netherlands
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Brilliant response Jiskefet!
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Just to say, I'm not ignoring this thread but felt a bit awkward commenting on it! :-[
I'm trying to think if we'd back down if we refused a home to someone and they protested too much.
But would you say no for a box they ticked on a form, without inviting them in for a cat? Without meeting them face to face? Without vetting their home?Without meeting their other cats? If so then rescues are hoarders not rehomers and my whole slant on what I thought has been changed.
Protesting? I am challenging what I think is a fundamental flaw in their rehoming poilicy...?
Boxes ticked on forms - It depends on what the problem is.
Our big no-no are main roads, so someone phoning up on a main road is a big no, unless they start off by talking about wanting an indoor cat and are happy to tell us how they intend to make sure the cat won't get out or are cat proofing their garden.
A lot of rescues insist on cats having outside access so will not home cats to people who live in flats - we are happy to do so if any danger areas are seen to else its a no, however good the home may be.
If a rescue has catflaps as a requirement and that is stated on their homing page then thats it.
Afer all, it is their choice to set their own homing policies and I can see it as being valid if they are concerned that a cat will get stuck outside.
We do home to people with no flap, but I worry about cats being outside and having nowhere safe to run if a dog/person happens upon them - like that case in Coventry when the kitten was thrown to the dogs.
In fact I said after that we would no longer home to, for example. maisonettes where there was no safe garden to speak of, so nowhere safe for the cat to escape to.
Its a shame, because I know of a couple of people who live in places like that, and I suppose as I know them so well and what they do to help animal rescue I would probably bend the rules there. But thats the key, trusting people enough to bend the rules and for anyone who has been in rescue for some time, people have to EARN trust not expect to be trusted from the start.
Most rescues homing policies adjust to changing conditions.
I'm sorry, if we decide that we are not going to home our cats to people who wear green and orange stripes because experience has shown that the cats have no done so well, then we will make that policy and refuse to anyone sporting said items (and phone the fashion police to do a midnight raid).
Their cats, their rules, daft as they might seem to everyone else. :hug:
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Sorry Si we dont close threads like this, it will die a natural death.
I hope you get the cat of your dreams :hug: :hug: :hug:
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don't let it get you down Si, the same thing happened to us, there will be others
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Lol, its one rescue. You are using a bad experience with one rescue to judge the rest of us.
I know you are angry and upset - as I would be in your situation.
and don't you DARE threaten to leave purrs again - remember I know where you live and will send in the heavies :angry phone:
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Simon thanks for the Compliment regarding the Clan
We do have several Bakers dozens and like to control their movements and have the indoor only, indoor/outdoor crew and my outside garage crew
Ours are all happy and healthy and our vets do advise they are all well cared for and a joy in some cases to treat :shocked:
We have worked very hard over the years to keep them happy and trained down ferals and have the ones nobdy wants due to health issues, feral issues and the ones that are for the feinthearted
If its any consolation the CP in this area advised me that mine were all disease ridden and never visited the vets - I asked when they had visited and would they like to see my vets bills :rofl:
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Lost for words >:(
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By having such stringent and inflexible policies rescues only drive people to breeders and private sales, thereby creating a further market, future problems and leaving cats languishing in care. When the pens are full other needy cats are left to their fate. Why do they not matter ?
Life is full of dangers for humans and animals alike. I've never had a cat flap and have always lived near busy roads. A cat can come to harm in many circumstances and luck and fate play their part. I have always done the best for my cats as do many other people in similar circumstances. My cats have all been loved and led charmed lives. While with me I do my best to protect them from danger and provide safety. However you cannot prevent what will be. A cat can get knocked over on a quite road or even a private driveway. They are resourceful and will shelter under hedges, in sheds etc. Thankfully the majority of cats are not being targeted by vicious thugs and most cats if left out are naturally wary and hide away from the general public.
Some rescues policies while well meaning are frankly doing a disservice to themselves, their cats and the people who would support them.
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Si, don't give up on Princess yet.
She is counting on you to rescue her from the rescuers.
Get in touch with Liz, and if they finally, definitely turn you down, you can turn to her and expose them for jailing rescuable cats and condemning others that can not enter a rescue because no cats are being moved on to suitable homes.
You WILL save Princess.
Maybe you will not be the one to give her a home, but you WILL battle on until they are forced to allow someone to take her in, whether it is yo uor someone else.
I know you feel defeated right now, but you love that princess too much to abandon her.
Come on, man, you are gay, you must have had so many unjust battles to fight in your life, and you stood your ground, you are still standing tall.
Maybe these battles were meant to train you for this one battle you simply DARE not lose, for the sake of an abandoned cat who counts on you to make a differencde in her life.
Yes, I am being sentimental and melodramatic, I know.
But I do care for Princess as you care for her.
She looks so much like my feral cat Tosca, and she needs a home like my old deaf diva, the magnificent Precious, whose slaves emigrated to Australia when she was 16, needed a home.
We are all behind you, you know that.
Surrender is not an option.
You are the general, and weCat Lovers International at Purrs in our Hearts, are your army.
We are the army of cat lovers, and we are fighting for Simons Rescue Cat.
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Simon, NO!!!!!
Do NOT give up!!!!!!
PLEASE!!!!!!
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What nonsense is this????
Why should you have to close the group?
It is blackmail!!!
But still, why close the thread in the forum?
They cannot make you do that.
You have to keep aiming at getting her, yourself, you had such a click, she'd be perfectly happy with you.
And if they keep refusing you, get in touch with Liz and let HER have a go at them.
Free those poor cats.
I will try to mobilise Dutch rescue volunteers to email them, too.
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Who has warned you to close the FB group Si..........sounds like a threat!
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If it was, all the more reason to get Liz on it.
Rescue centre demanding to delete a group from FB because they are justly criticized......
Get the paperazzi onto them, I say!!!!!
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Oh Si, some batt;es ae not worth fighting. I fear that you will damage a lot of good rescues who are struggling enough at the moment :'(
Oh well, I guess we have to fight every other corner, we may as well take on cat lovers as well.
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An unbelieveable post and one that is going to cause me to cancel my standing order on the purrs draw... outreagous. I have done nothing but try and support rescues and cats. I'll spend the 4 quid a month on my own two from now on after that comment.
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you are right Si, I apologise.
I think it may be time for me to stop the battle.
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Princess has been taken out of the list on the internet.
SIMON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get in toucht with them this morning and find out what this means
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Angie - I have to say I think it's this rescue's policies that will damage good rescues and not Simon. If someone is turned down after a home visit, I understand that they are just doing what they think is right for a cat and that maybe they have their reasons, but that isn't what is happening here. A rigid rule is being applied and no-one who does not adhere to that rule (to have a cat flap and it also looks as though they require it to be kept open all night) seems to be considered to adopt a cat from them. This simply will not consider Simon as a suitable adopter simply because he does not have a cat flatp. That inflexibility is not good for the cats they are caring for and it's not good for the reputation of cat rescues in general. If they had simply turned down Simon and Sean then I would not feel so angry, even if I disagreed with their ruling, but I am mad that a rescue is taking this sort of approach to rehoming cats.
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Last night I was very emotional about everything and it wasn't fair to post what I was feeling but after a nights sleep I will try and have what I hope will be the final word because it will be a shame if things get fraught on here. Whatever my thoughts I am an upfront person and passionate about what I believe and I am always guided by my values.
Sean was against rehoming another cat because he felt we have two great cats, so let's not rock the boat. However each week in our local MK paper there are homesless cats and he started to wane. We were both reading artcles about how charities were strugggling and we thought. Hmmm our house is big enough, we are not rich but we can afford it. Archie is young and adaptable and Ella loves other cats. Both of my cats play happily with Sam, Boris, Toby and all the other cats in our street, so I felt they would welcome another cat. At first, we went to Hula to see whether there were any volunteer opportunities and then fell in love with the cats there. On our first visit Sean was worried about committing as he was so scared of rocking the boat with Ella and Archie so we didn;t put in an application but after the second time of seeing Princess, we had a discussion and Sean agreed about applying as he could not bear to see the cats in their pen when they could be at home being cuddled!
The first question I asked at reception was how would Princess get on with other cats. The receptionist asked two other people and all agreed she would be fine. I said I would like to apply and at that point was told that TWO other applications had been made - I saw the paperwork in the desk file - (now I do wonder what happened to the second applicant, as I was told the first pulled out. Is that now three homes that Princess has lost??) Sean and I were gutted as it felt she was the right cat and we talked about whether we should adopt - what would happen if one of us was made redundant, could we afford threecats ? Each question was answered with the answer "Yes we can offer a cat a loving and stable home".
I called Hula on Monday and asked if it was too late to submit an application and they said it was. When I found out that Princess was back looking for a home, I put in an application. I hoped we would get her but I never banked on it as I knew that we would have to pass a home check and that there was always the risk that they might not feel Princess would fit our family. Perhaps being a similar age to Ella may mean they would clash? Maybe Archie was too young and boistrous for a timid cat?
I also knew in the back of my mind that I had seen on their website on on the form that cat flaps were needed for all cats and had to be installed before a home check. This was a quandry for me 1) Princess was an indoor cat so I didn't think it was needed. 2) We are SLOWLY introducing Archie to the outside world. Archie is a very cute and very friendly cat and the first person to show him kindness he would trot off with. Plus even tho he cannot get out of the garden, he climbs up on our garden shed, mounts the conservatory and then gets on the roof and cries to get down as he is scared. My concern is with a cat flap is that he would do this whilst we were out and on a hot day and be stranded. 3) I prefer my cats to not be out at night and I prefer my cats to not be out when I am not at home. This would mean they would only able to use the cat flap when I am there - the exact time that Ella either comes through a window or I let her in the front or back door anyway. 4) Sam the white cat tailgates my neighbours cat Suker and manages to get in a chipped flap and then be trapped in the house all day. My neighbour says this causes her older cat Suker a lot of stress. All of these reasons make me stand by the point that I did not want a cat flap and I stand by that point. The fact I have put so much though into it must mean I am not adopting on a whim.
So to be told, "We are declining your application because you answered no to a cat flap" angered me. There was no home check, no interview, no meet and greet - just a no. I was left upset and bewildered.
It made me think what if Sean and I didn't have Ella and Archie what would we do? We would go and buy a cat from gumtree for between 60-200 quid and although we would love it forever so we could have a cat, this contributes to that "black market" of cats and means that those people that are using their cat to help fund their lifestyle and income win.
It was mentioned here yesterday that I was protesting too much and that made me angry. Why should I not challenge a rescue. Yes rescues do a fantastic job and yes they have to vet owners but it appears to me from my experience, and a post I read here yesterda, y that perhaps some unachievable standards are being set. Good indoor, or cat flap-less, or working people (where the cat is left) are being declined the chance to own a cat when there are so many out there.
This is contributing to the situation where there is not a fast turn around in rescue, cats are getting dumped, this coupled with the gumtree kitten population leads me to one thing; The cats of the future are well and truly screwed! The fight is being lost and even that one cat not homed to me has contributed to that. If Princess was sat in my home now, another cat would be in her pen. What has happened to that cat? where is it now? is it safe?
I would like to thank everyone for their support and kind words recently. I will quietly pursue Princess but if it is not to be it is not to be. I have two wonderful, beautiful cats and despite what some may think Sean and I are fantastic owners and no cat could have a better life than what ours do. What a shame Princess could not experience that and I am being frowned upon "for raging against the rescue machine" because I see safety in a very different colour shade then they do...... How very ironic as I have been one of rescues greatest supporters in the past.
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I know this is horribly emotional for you but do you really think princess is the only cat for you? I'm sure many others would love to live with you :hug:
we were turned down on our first attempt, I was very angry and even considered a pet shop. We were told we lived "at an unsuitable address" I'm assuming she meant there is a road outside lol! anyway after I'd finished sticking pins in a doll of her I went to another rescue and told them I had been turned down but would like to be considered and they said "better they take chances with the road than live their life in a pen" - I've since catproofed but it shows there are different mindsets
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No I don't think she is the only cat for me but very personally I would not go through the rescue process again. I feel very disillusioned with it at the mo.
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I understand that :hug: :hug:
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Hi Simon :hug:
I think it would perhaps have been better to allow the rescue more time to respond to your initial letter before following up. Having said that, my heart sincerely goes out to you, Sean and Princess and, like you say, the other cat that could be now safe in Princess' pen :hug:
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Rosella, personally I don't agree.
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In the same way that not all rescues view potential owners in the same light, Si please do not view all rescues in the same light. You seem to have come up against a particularly stubborn rescue (of which there are sadly many and alot of them are the well known ones down here), but please believe there are good rescues out there that DO consider each and every home individually.
Many of my rescues have never been outdoor, so I am happy to re-home to indoor only. I am also willing to re-home to indoor/outdoor if they do the transition carefully but I do not insist they have a cat flap. My indoor/outdoor cats have a flap (which is boarded up at night - can't lock it they broke that!) but most of the time they still ask to be let in through the doors and windows and ask to go out again, so the stipulation of a catflap is a stupid one in my view - you could have a flap and the cat might never use it!
PLEASE DON'T LEAVE PURRS. You and Sean are valued members of this forum and have contributed in many, many ways, not only supporting us rescues but helping other members with advice and some wonderful tales as well.
I know how raw it feels when you have been let down by a rescue - remember Trooper's story - but there are good rescues out there and there will be a cat out there that needs yours and Sean's help - you just need to find each other. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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An unbelieveable post and one that is going to cause me to cancel my standing order on the purrs draw... outreagous. I have done nothing but try and support rescues and cats. I'll spend the 4 quid a month on my own two from now on after that comment.
Entirely your choice to spent your £4 a month on Ella and Archie but I would like to say a huge thankyou to all that do continue to support us and to thank you for your support thus far. I will be continuing to spend my £4 a month on the Purrs Draw :hug:
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The rescue in question are a very lucky rescue if they have people fighting to home one of their cats.
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An unbelieveable post and one that is going to cause me to cancel my standing order on the purrs draw... outreagous. I have done nothing but try and support rescues and cats. I'll spend the 4 quid a month on my own two from now on after that comment.
Entirely your choice to spent your £4 a month on Ella and Archie but I would like to say a huge thankyou to all that do continue to support us and to thank you for your support thus far. I will be continuing to spend my £4 a month on the Purrs Draw :hug:
In fairness T -this wasn't alleged at you "Oh well, I guess we have to fight every other corner, we may as well take on cat lovers as well"
I know I think the world of you and wish you the very best.
As no one seems to be able to delete my account, i am going to change my password by typing something in.
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I hope you read my other post before you do x
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Oh Si, some batt;es ae not worth fighting. I fear that you will damage a lot of good rescues who are struggling enough at the moment :'(
Oh well, I guess we have to fight every other corner, we may as well take on cat lovers as well.
its odd that I cannot find Simons post that I was refering to in this comment. I expects its on the other thread else its vanished. I shall have to look for it....
nope how strange. Thre is nothing like having ones comments manipulated by removing posts. lesson to everyone on here always "quote" a reply. You'd have thought I'd had learnt that by now when a topic gets heated. How sad.
can any one remember it - something to do with avoiding rescues in the future, getting cats from free ads and how useless rescues were? I know I found it very hurtful.
we ought to have an out of context alert for threads when post are deleted.
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The rescue in question are a very lucky rescue if they have people fighting to home one of their cats.
I am no longer fighting to home one of their cats - I am trying to get them to review their policy so that maybe one of the three people that have applied might be able to give this cat a home. I hope it may mean that cats are in their pens for less time and more safe places are created for a larger number of cats
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The rescue in question are a very lucky rescue if they have people fighting to home one of their cats.
I am no longer fighting to home one of their cats - I am trying to get them to review their policy so that maybe one of the three people that have applied might be able to give this cat a home. I hope it may mean that cats are in their pens for less time and more safe places are created for a larger number of cats
good luck with that then.
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Si, don't leave!!!!!
Please.....
You will be missed too much by too many people.
And do rescue a cat from a rescue centre, most WILL think you entirely suitable.
ANYONE with a bit of common sense would.
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If its any consolation the CP in this area advised me that mine were all disease ridden and never visited the vets - I asked when they had visited and would they like to see my vets bills :rofl:
Cheeky Burgers!!! :you go girl:
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In the same way that not all rescues view potential owners in the same light, Si please do not view all rescues in the same light. You seem to have come up against a particularly stubborn rescue (of which there are sadly many and alot of them are the well known ones down here), but please believe there are good rescues out there that DO consider each and every home individually.
Many of my rescues have never been outdoor, so I am happy to re-home to indoor only. I am also willing to re-home to indoor/outdoor if they do the transition carefully but I do not insist they have a cat flap. My indoor/outdoor cats have a flap (which is boarded up at night - can't lock it they broke that!) but most of the time they still ask to be let in through the doors and windows and ask to go out again, so the stipulation of a catflap is a stupid one in my view - you could have a flap and the cat might never use it!
As you probably know I rescued from Lesley, and will do again soon, but under different living circumstances, I had no joy from some rescues because we lived in a flat, but came across Lesley through the link on Cat Chat. I wouldn't have my babes if it wasn't for her. This time around we are living in a bungalow with a soon to be 'secure' garden. Our cats do go out but under supervision.
Please stay on here, and continue to keep us up to date with Ella and Archies shennanigans.
Nicky
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can any one remember it - something to do with avoiding rescues in the future, getting cats from free ads and how useless rescues were? I know I found it very hurtful.
i remember seeing it but cant remember exact wording. i felt that rescues in general were being attacked and unfairly so but didnt have time to respond.
Sorry Si, i think youre great, i love reading about your babes and i dont think theres anyway you could love them more but i personally feel that the campaign was ott, especially the threats to go to the press and complain that rescues want to hoard cats. in my opinion this would be doing immeasurable harm to cat welfare and setting back the 'dont breed or buy- adopt' message by years. i dont think its justifiable.
I dont know what id have done if anyone had prevented me from adopting mine, so im not judging at all. Heartbreak does funny things to us but please give some time before doing anything rash :hug:
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I think Si was 100% right to protest, it is the rescue in questiont hat made rescues in general look bad, NOT Si.
This rescue adopted apolicy that does cast serious doubts on their aim, and they are indded hoarding cats that could have ben placed in good homes. Not having a cat flap is no reason not to rehome an indoor cat.
I sincerely wonderif Princess's owners would hav e ever given her up to Hula if they had known that Hula would rather leave her in a pen than rehome her wit h people with a garden and an outdoor policy but without a catflap.
With them, she was an INDOOR cat.
If Princess had been my cat, and I had given her up to Hula, I would be ready to forge a lock or smash in a window and personally reclaim my cat anad deliver her to Si, if I got wind of this.
Can you honestly call this a cat rescue? I feel I need to rescu a cat FROM this place.
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Oh Si, some batt;es ae not worth fighting. I fear that you will damage a lot of good rescues who are struggling enough at the moment :'(
Oh well, I guess we have to fight every other corner, we may as well take on cat lovers as well.
its odd that I cannot find Simons post that I was refering to in this comment. I expects its on the other thread else its vanished. I shall have to look for it....
nope how strange. Thre is nothing like having ones comments manipulated by removing posts. lesson to everyone on here always "quote" a reply. You'd have thought I'd had learnt that by now when a topic gets heated. How sad.
can any one remember it - something to do with avoiding rescues in the future, getting cats from free ads and how useless rescues were? I know I found it very hurtful.
we ought to have an out of context alert for threads when post are deleted.
someone got brave - I can assure you the only reason I deleted my posts was to distance myself. I wonder why......hmmm.
Off to change my password something I can't remember I am not interested in conversing with you anymore.
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Woah, that is really uncalled for!
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I find that highly offensive and am surprised at your behaviour to be honest, Simon.
You really need to think about what you are doing and the consequences your actions could have.
I'm shocked, appalled and disgusted by what you have changed your name to.
Initially, I was upset for you over Princess but you have just turned it into one big drama and now the whole drama of you leaving the forum *again*
I'm younger than you, so feel silly saying it...but grow up!
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[gmod][/gmod]Simon , you are going too far now , and your name change is very offensive , as I am sure you know.[gmod][/gmod]
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Thread locked and 2 latter posts only removed by staff.
We can't tolerate or allow personal attacks or awful /swearing language on Purrs. Any use of it will result in a complete ban.
Purrs is here to help the needy cats in rescue and bad language in posts can have an effect on our fundraising efforts to help the cats in need.